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Hockey Discussions => Peewee Hockey => Topic started by: lcadad on May 02, 2017, 07:49:28 PM
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I've spoken to a number of people about these changes. From those conversations and some discussion here, I received a number of ideas as to how best to communicate these concerns to CAHA.
Obviously one way to handle this is through the member clubs, but the reality is that the CAHA board already passed this right through to implementation.
In searching for another avenue of expression, there's the email address provided with the announcement, however, direct communications doesn't provide any visibility or transparency.
If you are concerned or downright disagree with the plans for CAHA Tier 2, there's another option: this online Petition (https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/call-to-abandon-unnecessary-and-problematic).
The url for the Petition for sharing is: https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/call-to-abandon-unnecessary-and-problematic (https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/call-to-abandon-unnecessary-and-problematic)
If there's enough interest, I'll make sure that the petition is forwarded to the CAHA board.
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Well done. I've signed.
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At least CAHA is trying to do something so parents and clubs will realize that most teams and players should not be AA. Maybe this is to show that the bottom bracket teams really should be playing A. If your team and your player was on a team that were the 6th seed or below last season, your team nor your kid should be playing AA.
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If your team and your player was on a team that were the 6th seed or below last season, your team nor your kid should be playing AA.
I don't know but last year's undefeated PWAA GSE2 team may disagree...
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If your team and your player was on a team that were the 6th seed or below last season, your team nor your kid should be playing AA.
I don't know but last year's undefeated PWAA GSE2 team may disagree...
Nah! Any team can have a bad game here or there. Still doesn't make that 9th seed AA.
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At least CAHA is trying to do something so parents and clubs will realize that most teams and players should not be AA. Maybe this is to show that the bottom bracket teams really should be playing A. If your team and your player was on a team that were the 6th seed or below last season, your team nor your kid should be playing AA.
Skates you are aware that hockey is a team sport? It's a little bit ridiculous to make the declaration that kids on a team should or should not be in a particular division based on seedings or even results.
In point of fact, an undefeated team lost to the 9th seed. Not only that, but it was a loss to a smaller local clubs vs. a conglomerate organization (GSE) put together specifically to gather the so called "elite" players from a bunch of norcal clubs.
Lucky for them, Skates wasn't around to let them know they had no business playing an undefeated team, and not only that but they didn't even belong in Peewee AA.
Funny but 8th seeds recorded upsets in numerous Peewee divisions this season. I believe the Peewee A 8th seed actually made it to the state championships. I can't believe that they had the temerity of thinking they had any business playing Peewee A with results like that during the regular season. :o
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Nah! Any team can have a bad game here or there. Still doesn't make that 9th seed AA.
That GSE2 team was the best PWAA team in California, until their losses to the 9th seed OC team and the eventual State Champ Wave1 team. In fact, GSE2 lost 4-5x all year only to AAA teams in tourneys and never lost to any other PWAA teams in the country. Perhaps they had a bad game, but I doubt any PWA team would even stand a chance against them.
Just curious, does your kid even play in AA?
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Skates has stated in the past that his kid is an '06 who will be playing Peewee this coming season.
He's also a numbers guy who was active in the Peewee A thread making predictions using stats to model winners and losers. I think at times he perhaps forgets that this isn't fantasy hockey.
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Skates has stated in the past that his kid is an '06 who will be playing Peewee this coming season.
He's also a numbers guy who was active in the Peewee A thread making predictions using stats to model winners and losers. I think at times he perhaps forgets that this isn't fantasy hockey.
Correct my son played squirt last season and is moving up to PW. Not trying to join the crazy parents with AA this coming season. But I do know those PW A teams from last season the bottom half starting with seed 7 should not be playing AA. Hate to tell you this, but life is made up of stats! And I can tell you that if your team or player is playing AA and you were 7th seed or below, good luck at keeping up or sitting the bench. Dont forget my stats were pretty accurate with last seasons top 4.
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At least CAHA is trying to do something so parents and clubs will realize that most teams and players should not be AA. Maybe this is to show that the bottom bracket teams really should be playing A. If your team and your player was on a team that were the 6th seed or below last season, your team nor your kid should be playing AA.
Skates you are aware that hockey is a team sport? It's a little bit ridiculous to make the declaration that kids on a team should or should not be in a particular division based on seedings or even results.
In point of fact, an undefeated team lost to the 9th seed. Not only that, but it was a loss to a smaller local clubs vs. a conglomerate organization (GSE) put together specifically to gather the so called "elite" players from a bunch of norcal clubs.
Lucky for them, Skates wasn't around to let them know they had no business playing an undefeated team, and not only that but they didn't even belong in Peewee AA.
Funny but 8th seeds recorded upsets in numerous Peewee divisions this season. I believe the Peewee A 8th seed actually made it to the state championships. I can't believe that they had the temerity of thinking they had any business playing Peewee A with results like that during the regular season. :o
Peewee A 8th seed regular season was OCHC3 while playoffs was OCHC1 with neither going to state. It was OCHC2 that took SCAHA and were finalists at the state championships.
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Skates has stated in the past that his kid is an '06 who will be playing Peewee this coming season.
He's also a numbers guy who was active in the Peewee A thread making predictions using stats to model winners and losers. I think at times he perhaps forgets that this isn't fantasy hockey.
Correct my son played squirt last season and is moving up to PW. Not trying to join the crazy parents with AA this coming season. But I do know those PW A teams from last season the bottom half starting with seed 7 should not be playing AA. Hate to tell you this, but life is made up of stats! And I can tell you that if your team or player is playing AA and you were 7th seed or below, good luck at keeping up or sitting the bench. Dont forget my stats were pretty accurate with last seasons top 4.
Tons of great insight for a parent who did not have a kid playing PWAA or Tier hockey for that matter ::)
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Tons of great insight for a parent who did not have a kid playing PWAA or Tier hockey for that matter ::)
Right!? A squirt parent chiming in on something he knows little about and has yet to experience first hand and he calls PWAA parents crazy... Crunch all the nerdy numbers you want, but luckily the game isn't played on paper.
Skates, not sure how many PWAA games you watched last year, but perhaps you should go ask the coaches, parents and players of last year's PWAA division whether the Bears (7th) and OC (9th) belong or not.
7th seed Bears: One of the toughest team to play against, made it to the final 4, lost to eventual State Champs Wave1 5-3, and lost to runner-up JrKings1 4-3.
9th seed OC: lost to GSE1 (final 4 team) 2-1, lost to Bears (final 4 team) 5-3, beat GSE2 (1st seed) 4-3.
All the games mentioned above were close games. Go ask the State Champs how tough the Bears were... Perhaps OC was a borderline playoff team but to say they didn't belong in PWAA is ridiculous. 85% of OC's regular season losses were by less than 2 goals. Only once did they get blown out 6-0 by Wave2 (8th seed) and when they met again in an Arizona tourney, OC won 1-0.
Not to mention the undefeated GSE2, ranked 22nd in the nation, cream of the crop in CA last year, lost only to 4 AAA teams and 3 PWAA teams. The PWAA teams GSE2 lost to were: State Champs Wave1 4-3, USA Eagle AA Lake Forest Academy 0-1 and OCHC 4-3. Against PWAA teams throughout the country, GSE2 allowed 4 or more goals only 3 times - once to Wave1 and twice to OCHC. GSE2 lost to 9th seed OC but somehow destroyed the JrDucks2 (5th seed) 10-2 in the playdown and JrDucks2 went 12-5-2 during regular season...
Statistics can be made to prove anything - even the truth... and the truth here is OCHC may not have been the strongest PWAA teams last year, but they certainly belonged.
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Tons of great insight for a parent who did not have a kid playing PWAA or Tier hockey for that matter ::)
Right!? A squirt parent chiming in on something he knows little about and has yet to experience first hand and he calls PWAA parents crazy... Crunch all the nerdy numbers you want, but luckily the game isn't played on paper.
Skates, not sure how many PWAA games you watched last year, but perhaps you should go ask the coaches, parents and players of last year's PWAA division whether the Bears (7th) and OC (9th) belong or not.
7th seed Bears: One of the toughest team to play against, made it to the final 4, lost to eventual State Champs Wave1 5-3, and lost to runner-up JrKings1 4-3.
9th seed OC: lost to GSE1 (final 4 team) 2-1, lost to Bears (final 4 team) 5-3, beat GSE2 (1st seed) 4-3.
All the games mentioned above were close games. Go ask the State Champs how tough the Bears were... Perhaps OC was a borderline playoff team but to say they didn't belong in PWAA is ridiculous. 85% of OC's regular season losses were by less than 2 goals. Only once did they get blown out 6-0 by Wave2 (8th seed) and when they met again in an Arizona tourney, OC won 1-0.
Not to mention the undefeated GSE2, ranked 22nd in the nation, cream of the crop in CA last year, lost only to 4 AAA teams and 3 PWAA teams. The PWAA teams GSE2 lost to were: State Champs Wave1 4-3, USA Eagle AA Lake Forest Academy 0-1 and OCHC 4-3. Against PWAA teams throughout the country, GSE2 allowed 4 or more goals only 3 times - once to Wave1 and twice to OCHC. GSE2 lost to 9th seed OC but somehow destroyed the JrDucks2 (5th seed) 10-2 in the playdown and JrDucks2 went 12-5-2 during regular season...
Statistics can be made to prove anything - even the truth... and the truth here is OCHC may not have been the strongest PWAA teams last year, but they certainly belonged.
You forgot that I also have a Bantam player that played AA in the past.
And if you read my post I was referring to the stats for PW A last year. Your right I don't know what the stats looked like last season for the AA. But I can tell you, any 06's and 05's that were on a 7th seed or below team on PW A last season is not ready to play AA next season so it is good that CAHA is making a change to put those teams in the bottom bracket so that the top bracket will be more competitive. Do I think the 1st seed should get an automatic to the championship game, absolutely not. But CAHA does need a way to limit the teams that go AA.
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"And I can tell you that if your team or player is playing AA and you were 7th seed or below, good luck at keeping up or sitting the bench. Dont forget my stats were pretty accurate with last seasons top 4."
Skates, we are saving posts to review at the end of the year. In corresponding with a few others from this blog there is consensus. We think this last one has a good chance at the booby prize.
First off, your stats were from last year and it was PWA youth hockey. We appreciated them during the season and your predictions. It was fun. However, none of us care anymore. We have all moved on. Also, most of us would like to think in watching that we are all aware of the teams that are really good. Secondly, tier hockey isn't A.
Once you got a few more years under your belt you will see that players move around, so too do coaches, some teams advance, others disintegrate and clubs fold. You don't know who is moving, which kid has grown 6 inches and gone through profound physical change, what kids are living in an ice rink and others that have traded a hockey stick for a guitar.
Skates, perhaps you too will soon realize that CAHA has made a mess of things. High end players have left the state in droves. This forum over three age categories is focussed on this very topic and new rules CAHA has vaguely put in place that are not defined prior to tryouts. Do too many teams play AA? Yes, I'd agree with that. However, perhaps you should examine some of the many valid points that have been made before you write "good luck keeping up or sitting on the bench".
Lastly, not every parent cares if their kid's team sucks either, some may see it as a development year, others the convenience with a local club, or there are those that are just grateful to keep their kid playing a sport he or she loves.
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"And I can tell you that if your team or player is playing AA and you were 7th seed or below, good luck at keeping up or sitting the bench. Dont forget my stats were pretty accurate with last seasons top 4."
Skates, we are saving posts to review at the end of the year. In corresponding with a few others from this blog there is consensus. We think this last one has a good chance at the booby prize.
First off, your stats were from last year and it was PWA youth hockey. We appreciated them during the season and your predictions. It was fun. However, none of us care anymore. We have all moved on. Also, most of us would like to think in watching that we are all aware of the teams that are really good. Secondly, tier hockey isn't A.
Once you got a few more years under your belt you will see that players move around, so too do coaches, some teams advance, others disintegrate and clubs fold. You don't know who is moving, which kid has grown 6 inches and gone through profound physical change, what kids are living in an ice rink and others that have traded a hockey stick for a guitar.
Skates, perhaps you too will soon realize that CAHA has made a mess of things. High end players have left the state in droves. This forum over three age categories is focussed on this very topic and new rules CAHA has vaguely put in place that are not defined prior to tryouts. Do too many teams play AA? Yes, I'd agree with that. However, perhaps you should examine some of the many valid points that have been made before you write "good luck keeping up or sitting on the bench".
Lastly, not every parent cares if their kid's team sucks either, some may see it as a development year, others the convenience with a local club, or there are those that are just grateful to keep their kid playing a sport he or she loves.
Thanks for your opinion. I will just sit back and observe with my stats.
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So I heard today that the Wave may get 1 PW AA team after all coached by Wada. Has anyone else hear this too?
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I will sorely regret chiming in on this, but two points on stats.
1. Kids at the PeeWee / Bantam age level are notoriously inconsistent.
2. Good statistical analysis needs sufficient sample size to be useful. The 'any given Sunday' rule.
Bantam Wave 3 played a total of 50 games last year at A, AA and AAA levelS (36/11/3). That's a decent sample size.
But these short tournaments for example are not enought. You get into Denver late and have the 7 am game with the altitude, time difference... you're probably going to lose your first game. Is that representative of your team?
My point is (and I'm a big fan of CORSI etc.) especially at this age, stats are a tool, but 'hockey sense' and experience is a more important tool.
That said, CAHA/SCAHA is so effed up I would be open to considering a relegation system like in soccer. Everyone plays a Labor Day tournament and gets their Tier set based on the results. Better for a team to move down then spend a whole season getting slaughtered, IMHO. Or moved up, to play at a more competitive level.
Discuss amongst yourselves. It's not perfect, but it ain't perfect now, either.
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Often it is fairly known ahead of time which teams might be suspect one way or another.
One way of self vetting for the "tier designation play-down" is to let all the teams list their desired 3 or 4 opponenents.
those most often selected would then play eachother
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But wouldn't the selecting teams choose the worst teams to play? Or am I not understanding the concept.
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Often it is fairly known ahead of time which teams might be suspect one way or another.
One way of self vetting for the "tier designation play-down" is to let all the teams list their desired 3 or 4 opponenents.
those most often selected would then play eachother
Now you sound like a CAHA board member :(
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Often it is fairly known ahead of time which teams might be suspect one way or another.
One way of self vetting for the "tier designation play-down" is to let all the teams list their desired 3 or 4 opponenents.
those most often selected would then play eachother
What the hell? :o
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Often it is fairly known ahead of time which teams might be suspect one way or another.
One way of self vetting for the "tier designation play-down" is to let all the teams list their desired 3 or 4 opponenents.
those most often selected would then play eachother
Too clever by 1/2. You are over thinking it.
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My bad. Just a "bridge style" play in the presence of poker players.
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Wasn't there a CAHA meeting over the weekend? Did anyone hear anything with more details?
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Skates has stated in the past that his kid is an '06 who will be playing Peewee this coming season.
He's also a numbers guy who was active in the Peewee A thread making predictions using stats to model winners and losers. I think at times he perhaps forgets that this isn't fantasy hockey.
Correct my son played squirt last season and is moving up to PW. Not trying to join the crazy parents with AA this coming season. But I do know those PW A teams from last season the bottom half starting with seed 7 should not be playing AA. Hate to tell you this, but life is made up of stats! And I can tell you that if your team or player is playing AA and you were 7th seed or below, good luck at keeping up or sitting the bench. Dont forget my stats were pretty accurate with last seasons top 4.
Tons of great insight for a parent who did not have a kid playing PWAA or Tier hockey for that matter ::)
haha
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Skates has stated in the past that his kid is an '06 who will be playing Peewee this coming season.
He's also a numbers guy who was active in the Peewee A thread making predictions using stats to model winners and losers. I think at times he perhaps forgets that this isn't fantasy hockey.
Correct my son played squirt last season and is moving up to PW. Not trying to join the crazy parents with AA this coming season. But I do know those PW A teams from last season the bottom half starting with seed 7 should not be playing AA. Hate to tell you this, but life is made up of stats! And I can tell you that if your team or player is playing AA and you were 7th seed or below, good luck at keeping up or sitting the bench. Dont forget my stats were pretty accurate with last seasons top 4.
Tons of great insight for a parent who did not have a kid playing PWAA or Tier hockey for that matter ::)
haha
So any kid on any PeeWee A team that was seeded 7th or below is a Duster?
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Skates has stated in the past that his kid is an '06 who will be playing Peewee this coming season.
He's also a numbers guy who was active in the Peewee A thread making predictions using stats to model winners and losers. I think at times he perhaps forgets that this isn't fantasy hockey.
Correct my son played squirt last season and is moving up to PW. Not trying to join the crazy parents with AA this coming season. But I do know those PW A teams from last season the bottom half starting with seed 7 should not be playing AA. Hate to tell you this, but life is made up of stats! And I can tell you that if your team or player is playing AA and you were 7th seed or below, good luck at keeping up or sitting the bench. Dont forget my stats were pretty accurate with last seasons top 4.
Tons of great insight for a parent who did not have a kid playing PWAA or Tier hockey for that matter ::)
haha
So any kid on any PeeWee A team that was seeded 7th or below is a Duster?
Development and Stats change faster than skate sizes at PW and below.
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http://www.caha.com/
CAHA Tier II Flight System Administration Guidelines for 2017-18 Season
Jun 19, 2017 7:32 PM
On June 17, 2017, the CAHA Board of Directors adopted the following CAHA Tier II Flight System Administration Guidelines
1) All Tier II teams will be required to participate in Preseason Evaluation Jamboree; failure to attend will result in disqualification from all Tier II participation.
2) In order to ‘Flight’ a division there must be a minimum of 12 teams (6 teams per flight minimum).
3) Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.
4) CAHA may schedule multiple rounds of games within the CAHA weekends to assure each team gets 12 – 18 games.
5) If after preseason jamboree evaluation the Evaluation Committee determines a particular division cannot be equitably split into two divisions that division will play as a whole without being split into two flights.
6) Evaluation Jamboree format will be 1â€hour mini game slots, with a 3 minute warmup, (2) 25 minute runtime periods, and a 1 minute intermission between periods.
7) Teams will play minimum of four (4) games (any team may be asked to play a 5th game at the jamboree at the request of the evaluation committee).
8 ) The two weeks following the Preseason Evaluation Jamboree, teams are subject to being required to play further evaluation “prove me†game(s) within their respective leagues (SCAHA/NORCAL) if requested by the Evaluation Committee.
9) CAHA will ensure no less than three (3) evaluators are assessing each age division (if possible, evaluators will not review multiple age divisions).
10) Tier II Playdowns will still be an 8 team playdown.
11) Flight 1/Flight 2 Playdown Scenarios: a. Flight 1 has 6 teams; #1 and #2 seed from Flight 2 advance to playdowns.
b. Flight 1 has 7 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 advances to playdowns.
c. Flight 1 has 8 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
d. Flight 1 has 9 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
e. Flight 1 has 10 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
12) When Flight 2 #1 seed has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, the Flight 1 team shall be the home team, with the Flight 2 team traveling to play said game.
13) In the event a Flight 2 #1 seed declines the opportunity for the playâ€in game, the Flight 1 #8 seed will advance to playdowns.
2017 Jamboree Information:
- The 2017 CAHA Tier II Jamboree will be held at Sharks Ice San Jose September 1st – 4th.
- Games may start as early as 5pm on Friday and may end as late as 6pm on Monday.
- If needed, games may be scheduled at Sharks Ice – Fremont
- Teams are not required to stay at host hotels.
- The first two (2) games for each team shall be pre-determined; the following games will be scheduled based on the Evaluation Committee recommendations.
- The fee for the Jamboree is $900.00 per team , payable to CAHA, and is due by August 20th to:
Laura Cahn
349 Nancy Circle
Vacaville, CA 95687
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Kind of curious. From where are you going to get the 3 "Evaluators" per division?
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http://www.caha.com/ (http://www.caha.com/)
CAHA Tier II Flight System Administration Guidelines for 2017-18 Season
Jun 19, 2017 7:32 PM
On June 17, 2017, the CAHA Board of Directors adopted the following CAHA Tier II Flight System Administration Guidelines
1) All Tier II teams will be required to participate in Preseason Evaluation Jamboree; failure to attend will result in disqualification from all Tier II participation.
2) In order to ‘Flight’ a division there must be a minimum of 12 teams (6 teams per flight minimum).
3) Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.
4) CAHA may schedule multiple rounds of games within the CAHA weekends to assure each team gets 12 – 18 games.
5) If after preseason jamboree evaluation the Evaluation Committee determines a particular division cannot be equitably split into two divisions that division will play as a whole without being split into two flights.
6) Evaluation Jamboree format will be 1â€hour mini game slots, with a 3 minute warmup, (2) 25 minute runtime periods, and a 1 minute intermission between periods.
7) Teams will play minimum of four (4) games (any team may be asked to play a 5th game at the jamboree at the request of the evaluation committee).
8 ) The two weeks following the Preseason Evaluation Jamboree, teams are subject to being required to play further evaluation “prove me†game(s) within their respective leagues (SCAHA/NORCAL) if requested by the Evaluation Committee.
9) CAHA will ensure no less than three (3) evaluators are assessing each age division (if possible, evaluators will not review multiple age divisions).
10) Tier II Playdowns will still be an 8 team playdown.
11) Flight 1/Flight 2 Playdown Scenarios: a. Flight 1 has 6 teams; #1 and #2 seed from Flight 2 advance to playdowns.
b. Flight 1 has 7 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 advances to playdowns.
c. Flight 1 has 8 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
d. Flight 1 has 9 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
e. Flight 1 has 10 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
12) When Flight 2 #1 seed has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, the Flight 1 team shall be the home team, with the Flight 2 team traveling to play said game.
13) In the event a Flight 2 #1 seed declines the opportunity for the playâ€in game, the Flight 1 #8 seed will advance to playdowns.
2017 Jamboree Information:
- The 2017 CAHA Tier II Jamboree will be held at Sharks Ice San Jose September 1st – 4th.
- Games may start as early as 5pm on Friday and may end as late as 6pm on Monday.
- If needed, games may be scheduled at Sharks Ice – Fremont
- Teams are not required to stay at host hotels.
- The first two (2) games for each team shall be pre-determined; the following games will be scheduled based on the Evaluation Committee recommendations.
- The fee for the Jamboree is $900.00 per team , payable to CAHA, and is due by August 20th to:
Laura Cahn
349 Nancy Circle
Vacaville, CA 95687
I don't even know where to begin with this and how one could come up with it. I've never heard of evaluation committees ranking hockey teams. I thought jamborees were for mites and run time for blow out games. And they are going to do this at all tier II levels?
I'll start with this:
5) If after preseason jamboree evaluation the Evaluation Committee determines a particular division cannot be equitably split into two divisions that division will play as a whole without being split into two flights.
Whoever went to this much work to come up with this, I highly doubt there will only be one division.
What if one of the 23 PWA teams decides they are way better than their competition and they want to move up?
To tip my hat to Skates for a second, there are some pretty good people on this board at reading stats for games and know a lot of players on a lot of teams. To me this whole thing opens up a heck of a lot of room for second guessing. Was it really necessary to schedule a jamboree from Friday til Monday at 6:00 PM to figure this out? Could games have been scheduled down here and up north? I guarantee whoever has set this up has already selected four of the top teams. What happens when one of those top four teams tanks two of four short games in San Jose? Will the committee demote the team to a lower flight? Thanks for trying, but I don't really get it. If nothing else, I guess we'll all have some interesting things to read on this board for the next week.
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Sorry for the ignorance, but what do the terms, "playdown" and "play-in" mean?
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Play downs are what they call play offs... not sure why its called that... play in means you have to beat someone to get in.
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OK, so if you count the 16 teams declared for So Cal and the 4 declared for NorCal, there will be 2 flights of 10. What is all the hype about AA? The only difference really at this level is AA plays nor cal teams during the season and A level only plays NorCal teams if they make it to state finals. Really not worth the extra expense at the PW level! There is not much difference between A skilled kids and AA skilled kids. They are all 11 and 12 youth. Wish I could convince my wife to play A but to her it was all about playing with friends. My philosophy was the kid will make new friends. ::)
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Sorry for the ignorance, but what do the terms, "playdown" and "play-in" mean?
It's a lot line the NHL playoff system 1 vs 8......2 vs 7....3 vs 6 etc....
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OK, so if you count the 16 teams declared for So Cal and the 4 declared for NorCal, there will be 2 flights of 10. What is all the hype about AA? The only difference really at this level is AA plays nor cal teams during the season and A level only plays NorCal teams if they make it to state finals. Really not worth the extra expense at the PW level! There is not much difference between A skilled kids and AA skilled kids. They are all 11 and 12 youth. Wish I could convince my wife to play A but to her it was all about playing with friends. My philosophy was the kid will make new friends. ::)
Haha, I'm sure some parents were saying the same thing last season even though I don't agree. That's also a rational conclusion if your team is bottom flight.
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OK, so if you count the 16 teams declared for So Cal and the 4 declared for NorCal, there will be 2 flights of 10. What is all the hype about AA? The only difference really at this level is AA plays nor cal teams during the season and A level only plays NorCal teams if they make it to state finals. Really not worth the extra expense at the PW level! There is not much difference between A skilled kids and AA skilled kids. They are all 11 and 12 youth. Wish I could convince my wife to play A but to her it was all about playing with friends. My philosophy was the kid will make new friends. ::)
Haha, I'm sure some parents were saying the same thing last season even though I don't agree. That's also a rational conclusion if your team is bottom flight.
The difference in PW AA TO PW A (at least last year) is kind of the difference between banging a Victoria Secret
Model and the cashier at Walmart..... Same effect......different experience.
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OK, so if you count the 16 teams declared for So Cal and the 4 declared for NorCal, there will be 2 flights of 10. What is all the hype about AA? The only difference really at this level is AA plays nor cal teams during the season and A level only plays NorCal teams if they make it to state finals. Really not worth the extra expense at the PW level! There is not much difference between A skilled kids and AA skilled kids. They are all 11 and 12 youth. Wish I could convince my wife to play A but to her it was all about playing with friends. My philosophy was the kid will make new friends. ::)
Haha, I'm sure some parents were saying the same thing last season even though I don't agree. That's also a rational conclusion if your team is bottom flight.
The difference in PW AA TO PW A (at least last year) is kind of the difference between banging a Victoria Secret
Model and the cashier at Walmart..... Same effect......different experience.
I am going to take your word on that one.
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OK, so if you count the 16 teams declared for So Cal and the 4 declared for NorCal, there will be 2 flights of 10. What is all the hype about AA? The only difference really at this level is AA plays nor cal teams during the season and A level only plays NorCal teams if they make it to state finals. Really not worth the extra expense at the PW level! There is not much difference between A skilled kids and AA skilled kids. They are all 11 and 12 youth. Wish I could convince my wife to play A but to her it was all about playing with friends. My philosophy was the kid will make new friends. ::)
Haha, I'm sure some parents were saying the same thing last season even though I don't agree. That's also a rational conclusion if your team is bottom flight.
The difference in PW AA TO PW A (at least last year) is kind of the difference between banging a Victoria Secret
Model and the cashier at Walmart..... Same effect......different experience.
I am going to take your word on that one.
I am sure in your case Trans it is the difference of rubbing one out to a Victoria Secret catalog or rubbing one out in the Walmart bathroom. 😜
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OK, so if you count the 16 teams declared for So Cal and the 4 declared for NorCal, there will be 2 flights of 10. What is all the hype about AA? The only difference really at this level is AA plays nor cal teams during the season and A level only plays NorCal teams if they make it to state finals. Really not worth the extra expense at the PW level! There is not much difference between A skilled kids and AA skilled kids. They are all 11 and 12 youth. Wish I could convince my wife to play A but to her it was all about playing with friends. My philosophy was the kid will make new friends. ::)
Haha, I'm sure some parents were saying the same thing last season even though I don't agree. That's also a rational conclusion if your team is bottom flight.
The difference in PW AA TO PW A (at least last year) is kind of the difference between banging a Victoria Secret
Model and the cashier at Walmart..... Same effect......different experience.
I am going to take your word on that one.
I am sure in your case Trans it is the difference of rubbing one out to a Victoria Secret catalog or rubbing one out in the Walmart bathroom. 😜
I would say yes.....
But better that than being in an airport bathroom playing footsy with the guy in the next stall, right Zam ?
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OK, so if you count the 16 teams declared for So Cal and the 4 declared for NorCal, there will be 2 flights of 10. What is all the hype about AA? The only difference really at this level is AA plays nor cal teams during the season and A level only plays NorCal teams if they make it to state finals. Really not worth the extra expense at the PW level! There is not much difference between A skilled kids and AA skilled kids. They are all 11 and 12 youth. Wish I could convince my wife to play A but to her it was all about playing with friends. My philosophy was the kid will make new friends. ::)
Haha, I'm sure some parents were saying the same thing last season even though I don't agree. That's also a rational conclusion if your team is bottom flight.
Oh my! CAHA could make it so simple. Have So Cal and Nor cal play a week worth of pre season games in their own region. The top 8 in So Cal are the top bracket and the top 2 from NorCal are in the the top bracket. The rest are in the bottom bracket. Then no one has to travel.
So do we really think they will even drop any teams down to A? Seriously?
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Well Well Well. What do we have here?
I feel this really handicaps the teams that are younger that start slow out of the gates, but may pick up a player or two in Late September, and/or start clicking and winning games the 1/2 half of the season. They are out before they are in. It insures top ranked teams get an easy in - I am sure they will not pit the top teams against each other, so they get a fee pass.
Teams will simply have to shorten the bench on labor day and play playoff hockey before the season gets going.
If you read between the lines, It could be designed to drive the number of teams in Tier II down to 10 or less. (Not a bad idea)
But, as I always say buyer beware - your value for the dollar just got leveraged down and if you participate in this, you may be guilty of throwing good money after bad.
Having said all that, teams (players) can do a few things.
1) Play the whole season and run through the new rule set and see how it goes. If you are in the loser bracket by Sept 4th, we isn't that a peach. You are playing basically exhibition for 7 months. (Yay)
2) Participate in the preseason / post season Labor Day Extravaganza. If you are not in the top 6 and/or are asked to play "extra games", the team (or player) just drops to A right after your last game up In San Jose.
3) Your team (or player) drops now and avoids this man-made circus.
or (there is always option 4) Go nuclear! Manage to get all SCAHA teams to drop to A now, and let the 4 norcal teams have fun all season playing each other. Thereby circumventing the whole thing and forcing norcal teams to play a 4 team tournament (or they will be suspended from Tier II - if i read it right) - a somewhat in your face approach to the norcal folks who are driving this bus.
Being a person that has been through the youth hockey circuit, I would relegate my choices to #3, or #4 - lean into #4 hard. You will save a ton of money, and you will get as many games (or more). And, especially if somehow people could pull off #4, you will play all the top teams anyways (Just in A). And you will avoid the choke hold of rules reigning down from CAHA.
Remeber - Peewee AA never leaves the state after state finals. (so what is really the difference i ask?). The difference is, a simple season. (4-5 preseason games, 16 regular season games - and post season). No fuss, no muss.
Just think! All local games, no caha weekends, extra money to save or take lessons, sticktimes, public skates, I could keep going here, (maybe a college savings plan).
Youth hockey is too expensive, and too complicated, and getting more complicated each year. Its beginning to be treated like semi-pro hockey, not a youth sport to pass the time and develop skill. The kids are just that, kids.
Think about it. That's my 3 cents.
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Well Well Well. What do we have here?
I feel this really handicaps the teams that are younger that start slow out of the gates, but may pick up a player or two in Late September, and/or start clicking and winning games the 1/2 half of the season. They are out before they are in. It insures top ranked teams get an easy in - I am sure they will not pit the top teams against each other, so they get a fee pass.
Teams will simply have to shorten the bench on labor day and play playoff hockey before the season gets going.
If you read between the lines, It could be designed to drive the number of teams in Tier II down to 10 or less. (Not a bad idea)
But, as I always say buyer beware - your value for the dollar just got leveraged down and if you participate in this, you may be guilty of throwing good money after bad.
Having said all that, teams (players) can do a few things.
1) Play the whole season and run through the new rule set and see how it goes. If you are in the loser bracket by Sept 4th, we isn't that a peach. You are playing basically exhibition for 7 months. (Yay)
2) Participate in the preseason / post season Labor Day Extravaganza. If you are not in the top 6 and/or are asked to play "extra games", the team (or player) just drops to A right after your last game up In San Jose.
3) Your team (or player) drops now and avoids this man-made circus.
or (there is always option 4) Go nuclear! Manage to get all SCAHA teams to drop to A now, and let the 4 norcal teams have fun all season playing each other. Thereby circumventing the whole thing and forcing norcal teams to play a 4 team tournament (or they will be suspended from Tier II - if i read it right) - a somewhat in your face approach to the norcal folks who are driving this bus.
Being a person that has been through the youth hockey circuit, I would relegate my choices to #3, or #4 - lean into #4 hard. You will save a ton of money, and you will get as many games (or more). And, especially if somehow people could pull off #4, you will play all the top teams anyways (Just in A). And you will avoid the choke hold of rules reigning down from CAHA.
Remeber - Peewee AA never leaves the state after state finals. (so what is really the difference i ask?). The difference is, a simple season. (4-5 preseason games, 16 regular season games - and post season). No fuss, no muss.
Just think! All local games, no caha weekends, extra money to save or take lessons, sticktimes, public skates, I could keep going here, (maybe a college savings plan).
Youth hockey is too expensive, and too complicated, and getting more complicated each year. Its beginning to be treated like semi-pro hockey, not a youth sport to pass the time and develop skill. The kids are just that, kids.
Think about it. That's my 3 cents.
I vote for 3 or 4 too. Somebody please talk to my wife about #3.
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To eliminate so many AA teams and to make it more competitive, how about CAHA makes this rule:
All clubs are only allowed 1 AA team. These clubs with 2 AA teams is not realistic. You can't tell me that they are all AA caliber. Take OC for example: I know only one of their 2 teams might have a chance to be competitive. I am not even sure if any of the 2 would be competitive. But at least you would eliminate one from the beginning.
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Skates, OC will be just fine. The Shand team, on paper, is in the discussion for one of the top 4 teams in the state. They have a core group from the Eagles and added in kids with PWAA experience and a couple other skilled players. Eyeballing it, they must have at least 6 or 7 of the Top 100 scorers from PWA last year. Assessing the Bickley team would take a little more knowledge of the other teams. But its a team whose players bring a lot more experience and size that the 06 Ice Dogs team that you were predicting earlier this year to be a top half team. If that assessment of the Ice Dogs team is accurate, then the Bickley team will be just fine.
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Skates, OC will be just fine. The Shand team, on paper, is in the discussion for one of the top 4 teams in the state. They have a core group from the Eagles and added in kids with PWAA experience and a couple other skilled players. Eyeballing it, they must have at least 6 or 7 of the Top 100 scorers from PWA last year. Assessing the Bickley team would take a little more knowledge of the other teams. But its a team whose players bring a lot more experience and size that the 06 Ice Dogs team that you were predicting earlier this year to be a top half team. If that assessment of the Ice Dogs team is accurate, then the Bickley team will be just fine.
Probably correct, but wouldn't it be better let the season play out to prove or disprove this? Say you have injuries, sickness, or a game misconduct or two on Labor Day? The regular season traditionally is what is used to determine post season play (or it used to be). During the regular season, you play hard teams and easy teams, and a few games will make the difference, and as a team, you know the games where you have to bear down and bang out a win. Now its all up to handful of stunted games in September. Good luck with that.
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Yes! The best evaluator for playoff eligibility are the standings at the end of a regular season.
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Skates, OC will be just fine. The Shand team, on paper, is in the discussion for one of the top 4 teams in the state. They have a core group from the Eagles and added in kids with PWAA experience and a couple other skilled players. Eyeballing it, they must have at least 6 or 7 of the Top 100 scorers from PWA last year. Assessing the Bickley team would take a little more knowledge of the other teams. But its a team whose players bring a lot more experience and size that the 06 Ice Dogs team that you were predicting earlier this year to be a top half team. If that assessment of the Ice Dogs team is accurate, then the Bickley team will be just fine.
Lol you must have a player on the OC team. I just don't see OC Shand having the team chemistry and I don't see their defense being very strong. I think they may struggle but I will have to see the stats of all the teams after Labor Day to compare. I believe Shand picked up some pw b players from last season too. Also OC Bickkey I think just scrambled to get whatever players they could to fill a team and you know how those seasons go. 😗 I don't think the ice dogs 06 team will do very well. They didn't even do that great playing squirt A last season. I think they would be better off playing PW A this next season. And the other ice dogs team will be in the bottom flight.