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Hockey Discussions => Bantam Hockey => Topic started by: trans4761 on May 12, 2017, 03:45:29 PM
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Good luck to everyone trying out tonight.
From the look of things the JK AAA MINOR team will be AAA in name only.
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Agreed! Also find it ironic that the 03 "super team" had to turn to Ducks players to replace their lost players! Taking a former Ducks player who then played in the Wave (3) at A level, Jr Ducks AA players and a pair from San Diego that played Ducks AAA last year. So much for developing your own players!
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Anybody know the story with the Gulls AAA Minor team?
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Looks like despite the turmoil the epicenter continues to move into central OC.
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Gulls imports have migrated back north. Probably best for them to be AA for a year.
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Agreed! Also find it ironic that the 03 "super team" had to turn to Ducks players to replace their lost players! Taking a former Ducks player who then played in the Wave (3) at A level, Jr Ducks AA players and a pair from San Diego that played Ducks AAA last year. So much for developing your own players!
that's why they are the super team. they are always improving. those kids are good and it does not matter where they come from. If you look at AAA rosters, kids come from all over. they had a kid from alaska a couple years ago.
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Heard 03 AAA Ducks lost two previously committed D's. 2nd tryout at Rinks today in Anaheim at 4:40. Aspiring D's may want to attend?
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Kings -03 Team had 5 players leave this year to Academy programs, I think, many more will leave next year. Not sure why they would leave and not stay at least 1 more year. This was a very good team. Someone on this site would know alot more then me, on why ? But this was a very good group of players the past few years.
Not sure how many players they had out at tryouts.
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Their core is still fairly intact. Will still be good.
Kings -03 Team had 5 players leave this year to Academy programs, I think, many more will leave next year. Not sure why they would leave and not stay at least 1 more year. This was a very good team. Someone on this site would know alot more then me, on why ? But this was a very good group of players the past few years.
Not sure how many players they had out at tryouts.
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I know two 03 Kings went to Shattuck. Where did the others go?
Yes, very good team, but not surprising they are starting to leave. There will be as many or more that leave next year.
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Good luck to everyone trying out tonight.
From the look of things the JK AAA MINOR team will be AAA in name only.
JK AAA Bantam Minor will be just fine. They did lose a bunch of players, at least 8 (3 to the Ducks, 1 to academy, 1 to AA (by choice), 1 from up north not returning, and 2 part time imports won't be back). That is a lot of turnover for one year. However, they picked up some quality players and still have some top line players. They won't be as good as last year, but will likely still be the second best team in the state again this year.
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The Wave 3 D who signed with Kings is a an exciting player.
Also the Kings AAA are for the moment going with only one goalie.
Hell would have to freeze over for my kid to ever play for Kings again, but that's another story.
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What happened with the Gulls? I heard only 10 players showed up to tryout and no goalies
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I know two 03 Kings went to Shattuck. Where did the others go?
Yes, very good team, but not surprising they are starting to leave. There will be as many or more that leave next year.
4 to Shattuck, 1 to Delta in BC.
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Gulls Bantam AAA minor lost 2 players to Kings AAA, 3 to Ducks AAA and 2 to other AA teams. They also lost 2 players that were only 05s from last years team.
I heard they will merge the 2004s and 2003s into one AAA team
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Will they play in the major bantam division?
Gulls Bantam AAA minor lost 2 players to Kings AAA, 3 to Ducks AAA and 2 to other AA teams. They also lost 2 players that were only 05s from last years team.
I heard they will merge the 2004s and 2003s into one AAA team
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They would have to. 2003s could not play down.
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Good turn out at OC tonight. About a week and 1/2 left how's everyone else looking? About that time of the year for the list of teams to start up? ;)
Bears
Ducks 1
Ducks 2
Empire Hockey Club
Flyers
Kings 1
Kings 2
OC 1
OC 2
Reign
Saints
Wave
I'm sure ther are more.....
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Good turn out at OC tonight. About a week and 1/2 left how's everyone else looking? About that time of the year for the list of teams to start up? ;)
Bears
Ducks 1
Ducks 2
Empire Hockey Club
Flyers
Kings 1
Kings 2
OC 1
OC 2
Reign
Saints
Wave
I'm sure ther are more.....
Gulls should have a team. They had an all 03 team last year.
Mariners
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Good turn out at OC tonight. About a week and 1/2 left how's everyone else looking? About that time of the year for the list of teams to start up? ;)
Bears
Ducks 1
Ducks 2
Empire Hockey Club
Flyers
Kings 1
Kings 2
OC 1
OC 2
Reign
Saints
Wave
I'm sure ther are more.....
Gulls should have a team. They had an all 03 team last year.
Mariners
Gulls did not have a all 03 team last year, The Bantam AA was 02/03 mix, and there was no A team last year. To be determined if they have enough kids to form a AA team, and if they do it will be a 03/04 team.
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Good turn out at OC tonight. About a week and 1/2 left how's everyone else looking? About that time of the year for the list of teams to start up? ;)
Bears
Ducks 1
Ducks 2
Empire Hockey Club
Flyers
Kings 1
Kings 2
OC 1
OC 2
Reign
Saints
Wave
I'm sure ther are more.....
Gulls should have a team. They had an all 03 team last year.
Mariners
Gulls did not have a all 03 team last year, The Bantam AA was 02/03 mix, and there was no A team last year. To be determined if they have enough kids to form a AA team, and if they do it will be a 03/04 team.
I assumed that was an all 03 team last year. My bad
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Hockey Pops -- the "A" WAVE 3 player who signed with AAA Kings is not an A player, and WAVE 3 was not an A team, though we ended up playing the A schedule.
WAVE 3 got pushed down for political crap, which I won't go into, but the players should not be tainted with "A" status going forward.
They were unbeaten in A and went 36-11*-3 in combined A, AA, and AAA competition, notwithstanding some serious injuries, which is a 75% winning rate.
*one loss was a B.S. forfeit we were not allowed to make-up.
I think we will be able to keep about 10 of the boys together. 2 aged out and 1 moved up to SJ.
Sorry to bring all this up to those of you who know the story. Yes we're sick of it too.
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i agree, the kid is pretty solid.
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Looks like Bears will probably have one of the best Bantam AA team in SoCal. They have ben able to recruit/raid/entice three good players from Empire Hockey Club formerly Wave Ontario and Jr. Kings AAA goalie is also rumored to be moving back to Bears. The way it is shaping up Jr. Ducks, courtesy Wave 3 kids moving to Ducks, Bears, as explained above, and Jr. Gulls AAA, if they are smart enough to realize and drop to AA, after losing all four games at Carmen Starr might be the contenders for top flight division in Bantam AA. I am sure there will be 2 or more (Blackhawks, GSE, and may be Sharks) from Bay Area joining top flight division. Does anyone know other teams that are initial favorites to make the top flight division cut for Bantam AA.
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Hockey Pops -- the "A" WAVE 3 player who signed with AAA Kings is not an A player, and WAVE 3 was not an A team, though we ended up playing the A schedule.
WAVE 3 got pushed down for political crap, which I won't go into, but the players should not be tainted with "A" status going forward.
They were unbeaten in A and went 36-11*-3 in combined A, AA, and AAA competition, notwithstanding some serious injuries, which is a 75% winning rate.
*one loss was a B.S. forfeit we were not allowed to make-up.
I think we will be able to keep about 10 of the boys together. 2 aged out and 1 moved up to SJ.
Sorry to bring all this up to those of you who know the story. Yes we're sick of it too.
Since when did playing A become a taint "should not be tainted with "A" status going forward". I am pretty sure Crush does not speak for any Wave 3 parent and should not try to speak for the team or players that played there. We know families that played on that team and many of them are some the best people you will meet and some others, like any other team, you want to run away from.
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Hockey Pops -- the "A" WAVE 3 player who signed with AAA Kings is not an A player, and WAVE 3 was not an A team, though we ended up playing the A schedule.
WAVE 3 got pushed down for political crap, which I won't go into, but the players should not be tainted with "A" status going forward.
They were unbeaten in A and went 36-11*-3 in combined A, AA, and AAA competition, notwithstanding some serious injuries, which is a 75% winning rate.
*one loss was a B.S. forfeit we were not allowed to make-up.
I think we will be able to keep about 10 of the boys together. 2 aged out and 1 moved up to SJ.
Sorry to bring all this up to those of you who know the story. Yes we're sick of it too.
Follow the rules and your team could have been AAAA for all anyone cared.
And - as youth hockey is winding down for our family I will add that Crash you are a douche. You are what is wrong with youth hockey, and youth sports. Look at you, trashing one of the kids on a team you defended so much last season. Get a grip man.
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I was referring to all the snotty comments on HERE that were made about Wave 3 last year. Perhaps over subtle for this bunch.
Wave 3 kids are great and the parents are great, and if you actually read my post I said how hard we are working to keep as many of the kids together as possible.
In fact they are playing the Vancouver team for Carmen Starr Bantam AAA Championship tomorrow at Toyota.
And for the record I am really sick of internet heroes who twist other peoples words.
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I wouldn't ever describe you as "over subtle."
Crash for president.
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Post of the day :-) We who are about to get slaughtered by the Canadians salut you.
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Isn't there a rule against mass recruitment? A team can not sign too many kuds coming from the same club/team?
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Isn't there a rule against mass recruitment? A team can not sign too many kuds coming from the same club/team?
As long as the team consists of 25% that played with the club last year it's fine now. PDR
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Isn't there a rule against mass recruitment? A team can not sign too many kuds coming from the same club/team?
As long as the team consists of 25% that played with the club last year it's fine now. PDR
PK, I think there is a "Block" recruitment rule out there... No? Not 100% on the details but a certain % can't all come from 1 team.
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Isn't there a rule against mass recruitment? A team can not sign too many kuds coming from the same club/team?
Not that I know of. What is supposed to prevent that is PDR. But 25% is a pretty low bar.
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Heard from a reliable source that some wave3 parents are trying to move away from jr jucks bantam AA. One line played a lot for extended period of time during carmen starr. They lost the final due to extended shifts. So mass recruitment may not be a problem if some families decide to go elsewhere
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Same source also confirmed, Unlike popular belief crash is not one of such parents. He just has a sharp tongue that no one cares about him on the team.
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Isn't there a rule against mass recruitment? A team can not sign too many kuds coming from the same club/team?
Not that I know of. What is supposed to prevent that is PDR. But 25% is a pretty low bar.
No, but X amount can't come from 1 club and all go to another? Very separate from PDR. Maybe it changed?
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Well, first I will answer practically.
The PDR rule went back to 25% this year from 50% last year. Debate at your leisure.
Philosophically, shouldn't the kids have the freedom to play for the coach they want and where they want? They are not chattel to the teams after a season ends.
Who should have more power? The teams or the parents/kids? Remember absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Let's discuss among ourselves without rancor. Really, I'll try.
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Block recruitment is 5 players for squirts, and 6 players for pw and up according to the 16-17 SCAHA guide book.
Isn't there a rule against mass recruitment? A team can not sign too many kuds coming from the same club/team?
Not that I know of. What is supposed to prevent that is PDR. But 25% is a pretty low bar.
No, but X amount can't come from 1 club and all go to another? Very separate from PDR. Maybe it changed?
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Well that might be the issue then, because Scaha and Caha have 2 seperate sets of rules. I have read through the CAHA book a few times and found nothing that addresses block recruitment.
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It's rarely recruitment that has kids moving to different clubs. It's mostly unhappiness with a coach, system or club that caused families to move.
If a family wants to play AAA and their club doesn't offer it or can't fill a competitive roster they must transfer clubs. If a club is unable to attract the talent needed to compete on the AAA level they are forced to drop to AA which happened to the San Diego team.
Top kids had no choice but to leave if they wanted to play AAA. The Gulls PWAAA and BAAA teams were dropped to AA. I heard they lost something like 12 players to other teams which wasn't due to recruitment.
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I know two 03 Kings went to Shattuck. Where did the others go?
Yes, very good team, but not surprising they are starting to leave. There will be as many or more that leave next year.
I know of 3
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I know two 03 Kings went to Shattuck. Where did the others go?
Yes, very good team, but not surprising they are starting to leave. There will be as many or more that leave next year.
I know of 3
Good for those kids making it to SSM, but it's kinda crazy that SSM is taking more and more kids all the way from CA... I know of a few CA kids currently playing there, and I always wonder if it's a connection thing (it's always about who you know, right?) or some really legitimately made it on the roster. Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA. But seriously, good for those who's going on to bigger and better things.
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I know two 03 Kings went to Shattuck. Where did the others go?
Yes, very good team, but not surprising they are starting to leave. There will be as many or more that leave next year.
I know of 3
Good for those kids making it to SSM, but it's kinda crazy that SSM is taking more and more kids all the way from CA... I know of a few CA kids currently playing there, and I always wonder if it's a connection thing (it's always about who you know, right?) or some really legitimately made it on the roster. Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA. But seriously, good for those who's going on to bigger and better things.
Usually for a good prep school (and not a hockey mill), it's a combination of academics (good grades) and great hockey, moral character, etc
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4 Players of the 03 Kings went to SSM. 1 Goalie,2 Def, 1 Forward. Its also not cheap. So you have to also consider who can afford the program as well. The 5th player- Def went to Delta Hockey Academy in British Columbia. They were ranked 2nd in Canada for Bantam Majors last season. SSM was forth in the USA According to My Hockey Rankings.
What you should be looking at is what makes these kids and team so different and how they climbed to this level in Southern California to be in the top players & team in North America
. This 03 team started just like any other year for the Kings in the beginning. ( again am I wrong)
I am sure this team travels alot so expenses are high (unless they have a sponsor). But they have been strong since the Brick year it seems. This thou is the first year that so many moved on ( I think) others know more then me
. But this also helps others who have joined the program and will get better as well. One question- Why dont they seem to have issues like other programs. I would think they have their key players , shorten benches, etc. But it works, so if it works them why cant other programs ( age groups, in other areas) create this, so it works for them.
If anyone knows more about this , it would be interesting to hear. How is Crashes team so a mess and this one is not.
or is it the parents listen to the coaches and just pay the bill ???
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4 Players of the 03 Kings went to SSM. 1 Goalie,2 Def, 1 Forward. Its also not cheap. So you have to also consider who can afford the program as well. The 5th player- Def went to Delta Hockey Academy in British Columbia. They were ranked 2nd in Canada for Bantam Majors last season. SSM was forth in the USA According to My Hockey Rankings.
What you should be looking at is what makes these kids and team so different and how they climbed to this level in Southern California to be in the top players & team in North America
. This 03 team started just like any other year for the Kings in the beginning. ( again am I wrong)
I am sure this team travels alot so expenses are high (unless they have a sponsor). But they have been strong since the Brick year it seems. This thou is the first year that so many moved on ( I think) others know more then me
. But this also helps others who have joined the program and will get better as well. One question- Why dont they seem to have issues like other programs. I would think they have their key players , shorten benches, etc. But it works, so if it works them why cant other programs ( age groups, in other areas) create this, so it works for them.
If anyone knows more about this , it would be interesting to hear. How is Crashes team so a mess and this one is not.
or is it the parents listen to the coaches and just pay the bill ???
Hockey in So Cal is just crazy. Starts with ice time at stupid costs. Then add stupid politics. My son was invited to play with a team in New England. $7k all inclusive. No wonder why players leave
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4 Players of the 03 Kings went to SSM. 1 Goalie,2 Def, 1 Forward. Its also not cheap. So you have to also consider who can afford the program as well. The 5th player- Def went to Delta Hockey Academy in British Columbia. They were ranked 2nd in Canada for Bantam Majors last season. SSM was forth in the USA According to My Hockey Rankings.
What you should be looking at is what makes these kids and team so different and how they climbed to this level in Southern California to be in the top players & team in North America
. This 03 team started just like any other year for the Kings in the beginning. ( again am I wrong)
I am sure this team travels alot so expenses are high (unless they have a sponsor). But they have been strong since the Brick year it seems. This thou is the first year that so many moved on ( I think) others know more then me
. But this also helps others who have joined the program and will get better as well. One question- Why dont they seem to have issues like other programs. I would think they have their key players , shorten benches, etc. But it works, so if it works them why cant other programs ( age groups, in other areas) create this, so it works for them.
If anyone knows more about this , it would be interesting to hear. How is Crashes team so a mess and this one is not.
or is it the parents listen to the coaches and just pay the bill ???
SSM picked up players from other So Cal teams, as well. From the overall pool, at least 2 are a package deal
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Good for those kids making it to SSM, but it's kinda crazy that SSM is taking more and more kids all the way from CA... I know of a few CA kids currently playing there, and I always wonder if it's a connection thing (it's always about who you know, right?) or some really legitimately made it on the roster. Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA. But seriously, good for those who's going on to bigger and better things.
Usually for a good prep school (and not a hockey mill), it's a combination of academics (good grades) and great hockey, moral character, etc
Why SSM? We are a 3rd year PWAA major family evaluating SSM for our son at either the 9th or 10th grade. We will attend one of the SSM hockey camps this summer and make it a family road trip going and coming. First, we lived in Minneapolis area for nearly 6 years and our son was born there. Second, his sister graduated from middle and high school there and has two degrees from the U of Minnesota. We would all like to be physically closer. Third, it is a first rate academic institution that promotes moral character as mentioned above. We are more confident in our son's academic future than his hockey future and finding the right fit for an academic path is not a lot easier than finding the right hockey club or team. Fourth, he has some potential in hockey but how much is uncertain. He is only 12 and kids develop at different rates in this complex sport. If he develops, great, we are doing our due diligence; if not, there are academic and hockey options reasonably close to home. But the appeal of Shattuck St. Mary's is that it is a quality institution emphasizing both hockey and academics.
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Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA
You could ask the same question about the prep schools in New England. There are plenty of great players between here and Massachusetts.
It's super competitive on all levels. These are the kids that truly shine
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Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA
You could ask the same question about the prep schools in New England. There are plenty of great players between here and Massachusetts.
It's super competitive on all levels. These are the kids that truly shine
The two kids that are going that I know are not getting a free ride. They are paying to go and no telling how much ice time they get.
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Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA
You could ask the same question about the prep schools in New England. There are plenty of great players between here and Massachusetts.
It's super competitive on all levels. These are the kids that truly shine
The two kids that are going that I know are not getting a free ride. They are paying to go and no telling how much ice time they get.
I just realized I know 5 kids that are going. 2 are paying. I don't know about the other 3.
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Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA
You could ask the same question about the prep schools in New England. There are plenty of great players between here and Massachusetts.
It's super competitive on all levels. These are the kids that truly shine
The two kids that are going that I know are not getting a free ride. They are paying to go and no telling how much ice time they get.
I just realized I know 5 kids that are going. 2 are paying. I don't know about the other 3.
Most likely they are all paying, some more then others. I think they have a birth year team and a birth year club team if I am not mistaken.
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Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA
You could ask the same question about the prep schools in New England. There are plenty of great players between here and Massachusetts.
It's super competitive on all levels. These are the kids that truly shine
The two kids that are going that I know are not getting a free ride. They are paying to go and no telling how much ice time they get.
I really don't get it. Perhaps my exposure to hockey is too brief (I have an 09), but what's the point in moving to very-small town Minnesota and paying $35-45k per year for school and $5k extra for hockey ($40k total at least), when you can play AAA here in CA for $7-10k and travel? The level of play is not THAT much higher at SSM... when Kings or Ducks play SSM in the national tournaments, they don't lose by 20 goals, it's usually very very close.
As I understand it, SSM has at least 5 teams, and they don't guarantee spots on the roster. You actually tryout (not the wink-wink tryouts we have here). Maybe you make the big team, maybe you play on their AA team (saw one Jr King on that squad this past season).
Travel sucks for us, but at least we're with our kids, flying on a jet. At SSM, they take 5 hour bus rides at least 5 times per season. Yikes, that's 50 hours on a bus (round trip).
I can buy lots of skill sessions and extra ice time for the $35k less in schooling costs per year. Probably more than SSM provides. And probably with better skill coaches, we have an abundance of retired NHL guys who prefer living and coaching in SoCal over Minnesota.
Exposure is certainly better at SSM. No doubt. But, the SSM kids leave in 11th grade to play at NTDP/USHL, just like we do here in CA. Couldn't the 03 Jr Kings guys do that too, while spending 9th and 10th grade at home, having Mom do their laundry, and enjoying the beach and In-N-Out?
What am I missing?
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Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA
You could ask the same question about the prep schools in New England. There are plenty of great players between here and Massachusetts.
It's super competitive on all levels. These are the kids that truly shine
The two kids that are going that I know are not getting a free ride. They are paying to go and no telling how much ice time they get.
I really don't get it. Perhaps my exposure to hockey is too brief (I have an 09), but what's the point in moving to very-small town Minnesota and paying $35-45k per year for school and $5k extra for hockey ($40k total at least), when you can play AAA here in CA for $7-10k and travel? The level of play is not THAT much higher at SSM... when Kings or Ducks play SSM in the national tournaments, they don't lose by 20 goals, it's usually very very close.
As I understand it, SSM has at least 5 teams, and they don't guarantee spots on the roster. You actually tryout (not the wink-wink tryouts we have here). Maybe you make the big team, maybe you play on their AA team (saw one Jr King on that squad this past season).
Travel sucks for us, but at least we're with our kids, flying on a jet. At SSM, they take 5 hour bus rides at least 5 times per season. Yikes, that's 50 hours on a bus (round trip).
I can buy lots of skill sessions and extra ice time for the $35k less in schooling costs per year. Probably more than SSM provides. And probably with better skill coaches, we have an abundance of retired NHL guys who prefer living and coaching in SoCal over Minnesota.
Exposure is certainly better at SSM. No doubt. But, the SSM kids leave in 11th grade to play at NTDP/USHL, just like we do here in CA. Couldn't the 03 Jr Kings guys do that too, while spending 9th and 10th grade at home, having Mom do their laundry, and enjoying the beach and In-N-Out?
What am I missing?
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I think that's pretty spot on actually. If your good enough they will find you. Sure it may need to be at a highly scouted event but they will find you.
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I know two 03 Kings went to Shattuck. Where did the others go?
Yes, very good team, but not surprising they are starting to leave. There will be as many or more that leave next year.
I know of 3
Good for those kids making it to SSM, but it's kinda crazy that SSM is taking more and more kids all the way from CA... I know of a few CA kids currently playing there, and I always wonder if it's a connection thing (it's always about who you know, right?) or some really legitimately made it on the roster. Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA. But seriously, good for those who's going on to bigger and better things.
CA is the 7th largest youth hockey market in the US. It makes since they would be looking here.
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.. what's the point in moving to very-small town Minnesota and paying $35-45k per year for school and $5k extra for hockey ($40k total at least), when you can play AAA here in CA for $7-10k and travel?
What am I missing?
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Speaking as a parent with a Midget aged player, I think the most compelling argument for prep school is that there is less conflict between academics and hockey, especially as they get older. You are very lucky if you are attending a school that gives you the flexibility to miss 15-25 days without consequences for your player. Even if the school administration is flexible, they can't require every teacher to be.
I also know that, all in, your cost for hockey locally will far exceed $7-10k and travel. When you start adding in the soft costs that are included at prep school, the cost may start to look reasonable if you can afford it.
I am not a fan of my kid leaving a 14, and $40k a year doesn't sound reasonable to me, but I do think there are valid reasons to consider prep school as an option to playing in California.
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Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA
You could ask the same question about the prep schools in New England. There are plenty of great players between here and Massachusetts.
It's super competitive on all levels. These are the kids that truly shine
The Kings '03 team was 3rd in the Nation and beat #1 and #2 so if SSM is truly looking at the best of the best maybe they were taking the team rankings into consideration. Also, 5 SSM players were invited to the 2017 National Development Camp, only 1 person playing in California was invited and his dad played in the NHL.
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Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA
You could ask the same question about the prep schools in New England. There are plenty of great players between here and Massachusetts.
It's super competitive on all levels. These are the kids that truly shine
The two kids that are going that I know are not getting a free ride. They are paying to go and no telling how much ice time they get.
I really don't get it. Perhaps my exposure to hockey is too brief (I have an 09), but what's the point in moving to very-small town Minnesota and paying $35-45k per year for school and $5k extra for hockey ($40k total at least), when you can play AAA here in CA for $7-10k and travel? The level of play is not THAT much higher at SSM... when Kings or Ducks play SSM in the national tournaments, they don't lose by 20 goals, it's usually very very close.
As I understand it, SSM has at least 5 teams, and they don't guarantee spots on the roster. You actually tryout (not the wink-wink tryouts we have here). Maybe you make the big team, maybe you play on their AA team (saw one Jr King on that squad this past season).
Travel sucks for us, but at least we're with our kids, flying on a jet. At SSM, they take 5 hour bus rides at least 5 times per season. Yikes, that's 50 hours on a bus (round trip).
I can buy lots of skill sessions and extra ice time for the $35k less in schooling costs per year. Probably more than SSM provides. And probably with better skill coaches, we have an abundance of retired NHL guys who prefer living and coaching in SoCal over Minnesota.
Exposure is certainly better at SSM. No doubt. But, the SSM kids leave in 11th grade to play at NTDP/USHL, just like we do here in CA. Couldn't the 03 Jr Kings guys do that too, while spending 9th and 10th grade at home, having Mom do their laundry, and enjoying the beach and In-N-Out?
What am I missing?
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The cost is more like $53-$55K with boarding
. when you can play AAA here in CA for $7-10k and travel
You need to be able to get on the AAA team, especially when you get to a Midget level. Good luck with that. See other posts related to that very sore subject.
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But the travel at that level can run you another 15k and if your kid is already going to private school then that could be another $20-30k so in that case it's not that different
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Just hard for me to believe that there aren't any great player between here and Minn that SSM are looking to pick kids up all the way from CA
You could ask the same question about the prep schools in New England. There are plenty of great players between here and Massachusetts.
It's super competitive on all levels. These are the kids that truly shine
The two kids that are going that I know are not getting a free ride. They are paying to go and no telling how much ice time they get.
I just realized I know 5 kids that are going. 2 are paying. I don't know about the other 3.
So 6 kids left this team ? That will impact this team next season against the tournament teams. Not so much in CAHA.
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First off, with travel costs, AAA is costing people in CA more than 7-10k. A lot more for a top tier team that is traveling to play in the big showcase tournaments. The families involved have all done this, so they know what they've paid.
None of them are paying full price. They are all receiving some significant level of financial aid.
Now I happen to know how SSM works, and the more they want your kid, the more they are likely to dip into their scholarship pool and offer up. SSM starts to notice and recruit kids who have already shown that they are in the top percent of kids their age nationally. I happen to know of 2 kids who went to SSM, that were recruited from the same Bantam minor team, went to SSM with substantial scholarships, and had multiple elite hockey program D1 scholarship offers. One kid just played in the USHL playoffs, and the other is on the US Development team. They paid less than what their travel hockey costs were, and of course not only played hockey, but got a private education.
The SSM teams play hockey for 7 months of the year and up to 70-ish games, so the Ice time is going to be on a completely different level from playing Tier. We can pretend this approach doesn't work, or might offer a marginal value in comparison to traditional travel hockey, but then you'd have to pretend that the results don't back up the hype, when in fact they do. SSM has won 24 national championships with it's roughly 8 Bantam, Midget and Girls teams. And their alumni list is chock full of current NHL players.
Certainly many of these players are so good they very well might have made it to the same level of success but we'll never know, because they all attended SSM at least for a few years.
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The low CDN $ is a draw if you have US $ assets, and I imagine the level of competition. The Vancouver Selects team we played in C Starr Bantam final was very solid (we lost 0-1 in overtime on a weird play) but my point is the had FOUR freaking coaches on the bench. That's a lot of expense when you're coming to CA from Van.
The other big picture issue for CA is looking ahead to college. There is no Division 1 College team closer than Denver or Arizona. My kid wants to go to Stanford (maths, hard sciences) and they have a D-2/3 team (apparently they all play each other) but you have to pay (no hockey scholarships at all). Welcome to America. He's going to have to play water polo to get an athletic / academic scholarship.
I am just guessing, but I imagine parents think the visibility at a prep school is worth it. I don't know. We have another year of Bantam which is stressful enough to think about.
Why does CA not have a Division 1 College team? Does anyone actually know? Is anyone working towards that?
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Just out of curiosity at what age do recruiters for prep schools start looking at kids? Are the kids recruited usually AAA kids that get exposure at out of state tournaments?
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If your player is good enough they will be noticed!!!
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I understand that, unfortunately I'm not holding hopes for my kid as he is likely too small but was just curious the age range one gets recruited? Bantam or does it start at Peewee level? Do you have to play AAA to get noticed? Are they mostly getting noticed out of CA while on tournaments? Just curious how the process typically works.
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Usually New England prep starts looking the summer before 8th grade. Because most of those schools have high educational standards your child would need time to take the appropriate entrance exams. As for Getting noticed in Cali you will have to do the leg work unless your tean has a meaningful tourney in New England to be seen. If not you can look into the chowder cup and try and get him
On a team for that. There also a prep showcase that takes place in the summer. that may be you way to go
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As for why one would consider a prep school, it depends on your situation. Depending on where you live and work, if your kid is serious about hockey you may be looking at 2-3 hours a day in the car to get him or her to and from practices, clinics and games. At a prep school like SSM, that commute can turn into literally a 2-3 minute walk to the rink on most days. Many serious players in SoCal see their grades plummet, or turn to home schooling, and if your long-term goal is getting your kid into a good college then going to a prep school may be the better route. Opportunities to play at a high level in SoCal are also limited: in some age groups there are only two AAA teams anywhere near here, and for a variety of reasons often discussed on this board, unless your player was on one of those teams at age 9 or 10 the odds are not good that they will ever get onto them regardless of their level of talent or dedication. Finally, if you live in the city of LA, you are probably already sending your kid to a pricey private school if you can scrimp and save enough to afford it, so you might actually save a ton of money by sending your kid to a prep school where the hockey is included. I never thought before this year that I might lose my kid at age 14 or 15 to an out-of-state school, but the more I learn about SoCal hockey the more sense it makes.
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Thanks for the excellent questions and discussion over the last 24 hours or so. I disagree that if a kid is good, recruiters will find him. Maybe if you are a King or Duck AAA. Like most things in the US, the kid or family need to be proactive. However, a small group of PWAAA Kings and Ducks have already taken orientation trip to the Boston area but that may be only 4-8 kids and families. There is a lot of development that can happen between ages 12 and 18. SSM costs in the mid-$50s as one person noted above. We cannot afford that but I met dad of a HS sophomore at a treadmill session in Carlsbad whose Wildcat son has overtures from Harvard and a prep school in NE. Two takeaways: 1. His son has a 4.8 GPA with his AP courses and 2. His son was offered a substantial scholarship. That tells me that academic performance does count if a family values education equally to hockey. Kid A might be #1 or #2 in his age group in CAHA but be a mediocre student while kid B may be #25 (if that kind of precision is possible with pre or early teens) but an outstanding student. If kid #25 is bigger, stronger, faster but not as good a hockey player, what will 2-6 years of development do to those rankings? How do academic prep schools and Ivy league universities weigh these two kids? We would prefer the Pac-12 to have a full hockey program in 3-5 years but, short of that, we will do what we can to assure our son has a shot at continuing his hockey career at a great university. A SSM or another prep school can make difference because of integrated academics and hockey, more and better hockey, coaching, and teammates, and reputation. A graduate of SSM told us last summer at a hockey camp that SSM has two types of students: great hockey players and really smart and rich overseas Chinese students. Who knows what path a 14 year old might take at age 25 or 30 but if social networks matter, then SSM is a good investment.
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Usually New England prep starts looking the summer before 8th grade. Because most of those schools have high educational standards your child would need time to take the appropriate entrance exams. As for Getting noticed in Cali you will have to do the leg work unless your tean has a meaningful tourney in New England to be seen. If not you can look into the chowder cup and try and get him
On a team for that. There also a prep showcase that takes place in the summer. that may be you way to go
Your child would have to take SSAT test. You need to find testing sites and register in advance. Usually the deadline to submit the applications to New England prep schools is January 15th. It's a lot of paperwork, essays, teacher and counselor recommendations, etc.
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I understand that, unfortunately I'm not holding hopes for my kid as he is likely too small but was just curious the age range one gets recruited? Bantam or does it start at Peewee level? Do you have to play AAA to get noticed? Are they mostly getting noticed out of CA while on tournaments? Just curious how the process typically works.
The kids start getting recruited at Bantam level. You don't have to play AAA to get noticed. It helps to go out on tournaments, as long as they are useful ones.
Do a lot of personal research, Rubber Magazine, hockey websites. It's important to be proactive. If the kid doesn't get scouted, it's not the end of the world.
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They can find you at the U15, U16 camps. Plus at showcases, Combines( yes they are money makers)
They have a good one in Vegas ( Global Prospect Camp and Great Western Prospect camp)
You can talk to College Coaches Div -1 Div -3 and ACHA.
What CAHA should be more involved ( which they wont) But I think the Kings just did is have a show case for Bantam players, and time to talk with Schools and programs. Invite SSM and other programs like this.
The NAHL has or had one in Simi valley to get seen without paying 2k ( travel costs) to be seen. Too bring in parents who have gone thru this already. And let them tell their stories.
A few have said, Each college has different rules with Grades and how funding is disturbed towards its hockey players.
The best over all IMO is Air Force Hockey Academy its 100% zero cost in funds.( Yes you for to the Air Force for 7 years) But its great program ( not for everyone -and no my son did not go)
If you have a chance to speak with the Coach and speak to players who have gone thru the system. ( talk with parents who are older that have made mistakes( so you don't repeat them) There is no book to read - you cant trust anyone. ( but getting the most information will give you more power to make the best decision for you and your son)
Some one asked about grades vs talent- He is correct. RPI Div -1 looks at grades then talent. Harvard has a mix some great players with ok grades ( B's) and kids with 4.5 GPA and did very well on ACT and SAT's.
This has been very helpful. We will never know who paid what to get where. SSM is alot of $$$ I am coming away with that it takes a certain family to play for SSM.
1. You have to be good ( maybe not great)
2. Funds( many great players just dont have the funds to send their kids away)
3. Willing to send your 14 yr old away.
4. That your son wants to go away and be on his own.
I would think this takes a small group of people that this all works and I wonder how many come back home by December or and stay and complete the program.
If my son could play Hockey at Stanford ( and I got a break of any kind I would be thrilled)
This tread of talk has been great.
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no breaks or scholarships for Standford. they play ACHA D2 ( aka club).
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no breaks or scholarships for Standford. they play ACHA D2 ( aka club).
Correct also D-3 doesn't offer scholarships
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It is pretty cheap for LBST. I want to say something like $1,200. All the clubs do a lot of fund raising and they charge for admission to see the games.
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no breaks or scholarships for Standford. they play ACHA D2 ( aka club).
Correct also D-3 doesn't offer scholarships
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You can however get "leadership grants" "merit grants" etc as a financial incentive.
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3 kids from the AA Bears (Bantam) got recruited for prep schools on the east coast. There's a ton of high caliber players playing AA. Peter Torsson held a camp last season for prep school and had a few coaches at the camp. Every top level coach says the same thing. If you're good enough, they'll find you. AND, every parent thinks their kid is better than he actually is.
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3 kids from the AA Bears (Bantam) got recruited for prep schools on the east coast. There's a ton of high caliber players playing AA. Peter Torsson held a camp last season for prep school and had a few coaches at the camp. Every top level coach says the same thing. If you're good enough, they'll find you. AND, every parent thinks their kid is better than he actually is.
Only 2 kids are going. The last season prep school weekend hosted by the Bears brought in many coaches from a number of east coast prep schools.
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3 kids from the AA Bears (Bantam) got recruited for prep schools on the east coast. There's a ton of high caliber players playing AA. Peter Torsson held a camp last season for prep school and had a few coaches at the camp. Every top level coach says the same thing. If you're good enough, they'll find you. AND, every parent thinks their kid is better than he actually is.
Not true !!
Some of us think our kids are shittier (is that a word) than they are .
Good luck to everyone at tryouts tonight !
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Not true !!
Some of us think our kids are shittier (is that a word) than they are .
Good luck to everyone at tryouts tonight !
Guilty! When a parent tells me what a good game my son had, I usually think, what game were you watching? Too much the critic. It is easy from the bleachers.
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It's important to be proactive.
There are so many opportunities and options out there. Figure out what you want to do and then be proactive and go for it!
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It is easy from the bleachers.
I quote Little X.. "It's not as easy as it looks Mom.."
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Now that try outs are over...hope everyone made the teams they wanted to. Heard there was a lot of movement from OC, Wave and Kings. Wish the best to everyone.
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Now that try outs are over...hope everyone made the teams they wanted to. Heard there was a lot of movement from OC, Wave and Kings. Wish the best to everyone.
OC only added 2 kids from outside the club. The core stayed in tact.
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Who is looking strong this year?
Bears
Wave
Ducks
Kings
Sharks
All 03 teams
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Who is looking strong this year?
Bears
Wave
Ducks
Kings
Sharks
All 03 teams
Ducks1 is all 03 and strong... just ask Crash
Bears I hear are really good.
OC 1 is all 03
OC2 and Ducks 2 are mixed 03/04
Wave was not able to keep very many from Crash's wave 3 team so not expecting much there.
Thats all I know.
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GSE had an 03 team last year, so did Sharks.
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Wademan OC added 4 Players. Didn't lose any of their top players from a basically all 03 team. They are all 03s. Last season they had 02's. Should be a decent , big, physical club.
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Bears will be the team to beat, picked up some talent from the Wave .. Ducks 03 have some talent but that team will have a tough time with chemistry esp in the locker room.. #misfits ;D
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Wademan OC added 4 Players. Didn't lose any of their top players from a basically all 03 team. They are all 03s. Last season they had 2 04's. Should be a decent , big, physical club.
Nice! Where did they play Memorial Day?
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Here's what I know...
Bears Bantam AA - lost one of their 04 player to Wada's Bantam AA 04.
Wave Bantam AA - Core from last yr's championship run mainly intact. Picked up one 04 player from last yr's OCHC PWAA, one good 04 player from Bears, another 04 from JrDucks2, lost one player to Kings and lost a good one to Flyers. Picked up a few other players from elsewhere as well (1 PWAAA IIRC). This is a mostly 04 group and roster may not be completely set yet.
Empire Bantam AA Hamacher - Mainly 03 group. Lost 2 good 03 players but added 2 strong 04's from last yr's OC Peewee AA team and added another from Bears. Hamacher's team brings it every year and this year will be no different.
OCHC Bantam AA Bickley - Lost 3 04 players from last yr's PWAA team to Empire and Wave, lost two 05's from last yr due to age. Picked up 5-6 03's and a 04 goalie from last yr's Calder Wave team.
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Wademan OC added 4 Players. Didn't lose any of their top players from a basically all 03 team. They are all 03s. Last season they had 2 04's. Should be a decent , big, physical club.
Nice! Where did they play Memorial Day?
Anaheim.
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Wademan OC added 4 Players. Didn't lose any of their top players from a basically all 03 team. They are all 03s. Last season they had 2 04's. Should be a decent , big, physical club.
Nice! Where did they play Memorial Day?
They played at Anaheim during the Memorial Day Tournament. They played strong through the round-robin play. In the semi-final game they had chances but the Mariners goalie stood on his head. Despite the loss, you have to give credit where it's due. The Mariners goalie did it again in the championship game beating the Lady Ducks 16U AAA team.
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Goals against for OC was 2 after 4 games. Goalie and 2 kids on that team played amazing to beat OC in the semi final game. wasn't a very strong field. In fact going into a AA tournament you expect to play AA caliber teams. 3 of 6 teams were playing up. OC was also missing a few of their top kids and were trying out a few players that didn't make the club last week.
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State Championship WAVE 3 has basically exploded, with kids going to Empire, Ducks, Kings for their major year.
WAVE AA out of Artesia will have only have a couple of survivors from WAVE 3, but they pulled off a big steal of a Kings goalie.
Ducks got the Wave 3 top line, and they have one good goalie, but after that the depth goes off a cliff.
Labor Day will be interesting. My inexpert guess is that Bears will come out strong and maybe OC, but there will be a lot of parity and every game will count -- which is how it should be.
Wave AA1 will surprise you, and Ducks will disappoint. The temperature of the politics remains to be seen.
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Where did you end up Crash?
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We re-upped with WAVE AA1.
It won't be Wave 3, but I think we'll be okay.
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Wademan OC added 4 Players. Didn't lose any of their top players from a basically all 03 team. They are all 03s. Last season they had 2 04's. Should be a decent , big, physical club.
Nice! Where did they play Memorial Day?
They played at Anaheim during the Memorial Day Tournament. They played strong through the round-robin play. In the semi-final game they had chances but the Mariners goalie stood on his head. Despite the loss, you have to give credit where it's due. The Mariners goalie did it again in the championship game beating the Lady Ducks 16U AAA team.
That wasn't the Lady Ducks AAA 16U. It was lady Ducks AA team. The field wasn't strong at all. sorry
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I believe that it was Lady Ducks AAA
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I believe that it was Lady Ducks AAA
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My source was wrong you are correct.
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I believe that it was Lady Ducks AAA
Tournament field was week though...
Lady Ducks
OC Wademan
Littleton CO.
Summerhawks
Ventura
And an OC A team playing up
My source was wrong you are correct.
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I believe that it was Lady Ducks AAA
Tournament field was week though...
Lady Ducks
OC Wademan
Littleton CO.
Summerhawks
Ventura
And an OC A team playing up
My source was wrong you are correct.
The CO team was house kids.