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Hockey Discussions => Bantam Hockey => Topic started by: FYC69 on May 18, 2016, 06:46:25 AM
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As many already may have heard, Pavel Sisak will be coaching Bantam AA for Valencia Jr Flyers.
Many people are exited for this program. Pavel is a great coach and Valencia ice station is a great facility. This will not only bring back a Bantam team to the station but it will also increase pewees and midgets. Starting today there are a few practices set up for bantams AA, see below.
WEDNESDAY MAY 18th
3 on 3 practice with Pavel 8:00 PM (small ice)
Bring a light and a dark jersey
Cost: $20
Following the 3 on 3 practice, Pavel will be having a brief parent meeting where he will introduce the plans for next season. Go Flyers!
Saturday May 21st
Clinic with Pavel 12:00PM
Bring a light and dark jersey
Cost: $10
Ice Station-Valencia
27745 Smyth Dr, Valencia, CA 91355
Phone: (661) 775-8686
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New Tier I and Tier II Requirements for 2016/17 Apr 4, 2016 1:52 PM On January 23, 2016, the CAHA Board of Directors approved changes for participation in Tier 1 commencing with the next season, 2016/17, as well as a change to the minimum PDR requirement for Tier 2. Details of the changes can be found on the "Policies" link to this website under the sub-link titled "Application for Tier I Inclusion." Please note the requirements and deadlines which are to be adhered to, and that application for Tier 1 for next season must be submitted to Youth Council by the specified deadline of February 15, 2016. In addition, the Board also added a provision that there will be up to a maximum of five (5) teams per age division.
With regard to the new Tier I and Tier II PDR (Player Development Requirement) for the upcoming 2016-17 Season, please note the following:
1. For the 2016-17 season only, a player's PDR will count at either their 2014-15 club or their 2015-16 club.
2. The 25% PDR requirement for Tier I is new to Tier I and applies to the 2016-17 Season, then increases to 50% in the 2017-18 season forward.
3. The PDR for Tier II is now increased starting the upcoming 2016-17 Season to 50% and going forward. *** Do not worry if you go to the Valencia tryouts on the Friday and realize they will not have a Bantam or Peewee AA team , I am sure the other teams will be holding a spot open just for your boy
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New Tier I and Tier II Requirements for 2016/17 Apr 4, 2016 1:52 PM On January 23, 2016, the CAHA Board of Directors approved changes for participation in Tier 1 commencing with the next season, 2016/17, as well as a change to the minimum PDR requirement for Tier 2. Details of the changes can be found on the "Policies" link to this website under the sub-link titled "Application for Tier I Inclusion." Please note the requirements and deadlines which are to be adhered to, and that application for Tier 1 for next season must be submitted to Youth Council by the specified deadline of February 15, 2016. In addition, the Board also added a provision that there will be up to a maximum of five (5) teams per age division.
With regard to the new Tier I and Tier II PDR (Player Development Requirement) for the upcoming 2016-17 Season, please note the following:
1. For the 2016-17 season only, a player's PDR will count at either their 2014-15 club or their 2015-16 club.
2. The 25% PDR requirement for Tier I is new to Tier I and applies to the 2016-17 Season, then increases to 50% in the 2017-18 season forward.
3. The PDR for Tier II is now increased starting the upcoming 2016-17 Season to 50% and going forward. *** Do not worry if you go to the Valencia tryouts on the Friday and realize they will not have a Bantam or Peewee AA team , I am sure the other teams will be holding a spot open just for your boy
That's great but you're wrong, RT kids will actually count in the 50% as home team players.
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Riptide players are free agents and therefor will count as home player to whatever club they join.
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Really good outcome on tonight's skate, fast paste on the pond even with 30+ players. Looking forward to Saturdays skate on the big sheet.
Valencia is looking good for both Midget and Bantams.
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My son attended the Valencia skate last night and it was a HUGE turnout. The Midgets and Bantam group looked really good and will only get better with Pavel running the show this season. Again, like I said in a previous post: if your kid played Riptide last season or maybe you are looking for something better than last season for your kid, than Valencia is the spot!
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Great turn out everyone but Barry was there. :'(
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Pre tryout clinics for Midget-Bantam and peewees are now posted under "Announcements". Exiting to see what Saturday brings after last nights successful 3 on 3 skate on the pond. - GO FLYERS!
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Riptide players are free agents and therefor will count as home player to whatever club they join.
Thats not what i'm hearing. it might be what Valencia is telling everyone but you should check your facts
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Riptide players are free agents and therefor will count as home player to whatever club they join.
Thats not what i'm hearing. it might be what Valencia is telling everyone but you should check your facts
Is that what Simi is telling you? Are you talking to Barry?
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Riptide players are free agents and therefor will count as home player to whatever club they join.
Thats not what i'm hearing. it might be what Valencia is telling everyone but you should check your facts
Is that what Simi is telling you? Are you talking to Barry?
Simi was able to show me written proof that Riptide players are ok to play there with pdr. Flyers did not have the same letter
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Riptide players are free agents and therefor will count as home player to whatever club they join.
Thats not what i'm hearing. it might be what Valencia is telling everyone but you should check your facts
Is that what Simi is telling you? Are you talking to Barry?
Simi was able to show me written proof that Riptide players are ok to play there with pdr. Flyers did not have the same letter
You are clearly trying to prevent kids from leaving Simi. Why would Simi have the only waiver?
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Riptide players are free agents and therefor will count as home player to whatever club they join.
Thats not what i'm hearing. it might be what Valencia is telling everyone but you should check your facts
Is that what Simi is telling you? Are you talking to Barry?
Simi was able to show me written proof that Riptide players are ok to play there with pdr. Flyers did not have the same letter
You are clearly trying to prevent kids from leaving Simi. Why would Simi have the only waiver?
i don't have a concern on people leaving one rink or another i just don't want my son ending up on an ineligible team. This could be my oldest sons last year of real hockey i don't want to waste it.
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Hkymom17 (LK).
First you heard and then you saw, quite a busy day for you, You should go where it is best for your son to play, that is all we are doing.
The same rules goes for either club, we at Valencia are focusing on building up great teams for all ages and that is what you should do as well.
Keep this thread positive and help all Riptider's find a new home, Yours might be Mariners but ours is Valencia.
Good luck to your sons last season.
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Great turnout on todays skate, over all 60+ skaters in Peewee, Bantam and Midgets. It is exciting to see Valencia ice station coming back to what it once was.
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Great weekend in San Jose with Bears, cannot see any leaving this program for Valencia. Peter Bear runs a class operation.
looking forward to another great season of bears hockey. Good luck to all in Bantam AA this year.
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Glad to hear that the Bears had an awesome weekend! Look forward playing you soon!!!!
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Hkymom17 (LK).
First you heard and then you saw, quite a busy day for you, You should go where it is best for your son to play, that is all we are doing.
The same rules goes for either club, we at Valencia are focusing on building up great teams for all ages and that is what you should do as well.
Keep this thread positive and help all Riptider's find a new home, Yours might be Mariners but ours is Valencia.
Good luck to your sons last season.
FYC69, I have no horse in this race - but you would be wise to listen to Hkymom17 and do your homework before tryouts. The PDR is designed to prevent this exact situation (a team moving to another club). The Mariners were given specific permission by CAHA to count Riptide players toward the PDR there. That permission doesn't automatically transfer over to Valencia. Do your homework with someone who knows the CAHA PDR rules so that you don't get burned in June.
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Good point Hockey 44. I too had concerns with this issue. This is something that needed to be addressed and IT HAS. It was addressed at the Valencia clinic on Saturday and it is NOT an issue. Thanks for the heads up though.
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Maybe some other needs to do their homework. Thanks Goaliedad 32, you are correct! -GO Flyers
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Good point Hockey 44. I too had concerns with this issue. This is something that needed to be addressed and IT HAS. It was addressed at the Valencia clinic on Saturday and it is NOT an issue. Thanks for the heads up though.
Goaliedad32, thank you. I am curious - is it not an issue because CAHA acted quickly last week to permit Valencia to count ex-Riptide players against the new 50% player development requirement?Or is it not an issue because the teams will include enough returning Flyers to satisfy the new 50% player development requirement?
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And of those 60 how many are AA players? How is Valencia going to draw the top players in the area?
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Thanks for the question Hockey44. Keep in mind I didn't know what the heck a PDR was 5 days ago, but the information provided was that the PDR was not an issue. In addition, my understanding is that there is a WAIVER that has been obtained from CAHA. So Valencia is covered on that issue.
As for talent level (Reality Check). I agree if the 60 kids suck and not of AA caliber then we will not be going there. From what I saw on Saturday they were for real.
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lots of bears and heat players were at Valencia to check it out.
most live close by, and were curious to see what was going on. all that I talked to after said they would not take a chance on the program this year but will wait to see how this year goes.
most of the kids that will be at tryouts are mostly A or B players hoping this is a chance to play AA hockey. except for a few riptide kids that live close by and are AA players the rest will be weaker players that will be okay paying all that money to watch from the bench so that dad can tell his friends my son plays AA hockey.
this year will be an interesting one, my guess is both mariners and flyers should field A teams and save the money.
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Thanks for the question Hockey44. Keep in mind I didn't know what the heck a PDR was 5 days ago, but the information provided was that the PDR was not an issue. In addition, my understanding is that there is a WAIVER that has been obtained from CAHA. So Valencia is covered on that issue.
As for talent level (Reality Check). I agree if the 60 kids suck and not of AA caliber then we will not be going there. From what I saw on Saturday they were for real.
I think that most long-term parents in the SCAHA/CAHA circles would agree: Do not accept a coach's verbal assurance on a PDR issue. Coaches are always optimistic that everything will be fine (or they may have agendas that do not match your own). Pick up the phone and call CAHA...or write an email to a CAHA board member...you want to be sure that either (1) Riptide players count toward the PDR or (2) there are enough returning Flyer players to satisfy the PDR for the team that you're looking at (but this second scenario obviously means that fewer roster spots are wide open for new Flyer players).
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I checked it out and saw a huge range from A to AAA kids. AAA kids won't stay, But there was an excellent turn out. How serious all the skaters are will be seen on June 3rd. I wish all clubs success for the betterment of all. There is too much emotional investment by adults IMO. Putting down 13 and 14 year old kids shows a lack of character. When this old timer was young most parents didn't even attend practices. It was the kids that were invested not the parent.
Let the kids love it. My son would play third line B with a broken ankle rather than not play. But he still has enough pride he wants to play at the highest level he can manage.
Perspective Folks, Perspective.
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I started this thread to promote the new AA program coming to Valencia, and it has gone over expectation so far. I have no interest in arguing back and forth. The PDR question have been answered several times, and is not an issue. We have a lot of interest and think we can get really competitive teams together, AA and A. At the end of the day, Scaha and Caha hockey will benefit from a club up here, Valencia have created a lot of good players. If parents don’t need to drive for hours everyday for practice, I think more will stay in hockey.
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01s 02s and 03s from Valencia play all over hell and back. From Ontario to Anaheim. It seemed to die with the Express. The lack of a solid program sent parents looking. It is probably a bit late to get many of them back but if the ISV gets it's poop in a pile it could get back to being a highly desired facility with great teams. I wish them well in any case. It would only benefit the sport we all enjoy.
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Buyer beware. I am hearing from a CAHA connected person that Valencia has not received a a PDR exemption to take Riptide kids. Apparently there has not even been a formal request for one. Don't get caught with your pants down next weekend.
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all this talk of a Waiver, but no one is able to provide proof...
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Buyer beware. I am hearing from a CAHA connected person that Valencia has not received a a PDR exemption to take Riptide kids. Apparently there has not even been a formal request for one. Don't get caught with your pants down next weekend.
CAHA connected as in on the Board or friends of a friend type connected? :-)
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all this talk of a Waiver, but no one is able to provide proof...
The waiver does not currently exist. Valencia believes that it can satisfy the PDR with returning Flyer players.
To be honest, I can't see CAHA granting the waiver under the circumstances. CAHA set up the Riptide to move to the Mariners with the earlier waiver. I don't think that the departure of the head of the Mariners' tier II program to another rink for a better job gets you a waiver. In fact, I think that is what the PDR is designed to stop.
But it's entirely possible that Valencia could meet the PDR thru returning players if they pull up 03 kids from 2015/16 PWA to 2016/2017 BNAA...not ideal, but not unprecedented and it may be the only option when the dust settles here. But it means fewer open roster spots than some may be expecting.
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I'm going there because of the coach. He seems to have a real passion for getting the kids on the ice and getting them in shape. They're talking about 5 hours a week on ice plus an hour before each practice doing dryland. That's the kind of thing that gets my attention.
To put this in perspective. I've been sold "great" programs before that did not materialize. This is just my first impression. It may not turn out so rosy, but for right now, it seems like good option for me.
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It helped me figure out the transition. Thanks.
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No bone to pick on this one, but you don't have to be a part of SCAHA or CAHA, right? At the tier level there will be 12-15 less games this year. If the club is a part of the governing body, do all of their teams need to be associated? How can you have a tryout if you can't field the team?
It is a great facility and the good hockey people of Santa Clarita have suffered for years. I wish them the best of luck.
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I'm going there because of the coach. He seems to have a real passion for getting the kids on the ice and getting them in shape. They're talking about 5 hours a week on ice plus an hour before each practice doing dryland. That's the kind of thing that gets my attention.
To put this in perspective. I've been sold "great" programs before that did not materialize. This is just my first impression. It may not turn out so rosy, but for right now, it seems like good option for me.
If your son/daughter ends up at Valencia playing for Ryan or Pavel you wont be disappointed. I had a kid play for each of them this season and it was definitely the most development they have had in 6 and 7 years of hockey. Hopefully, the PDR issue is resolved and the Riptide kids can play for their coaches from last season and kids at Valencia (including new players from other clubs) will get the chance to play for 2 outstanding coaches. Even if they end up only running an A team, kids at Valencia will still benefit from being on the ice with those guys.
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Please see attached link for PDR
http://www.riptideicehockey.com/
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Thanks for the info. FYC69
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Please see attached link for PDR
http://www.riptideicehockey.com/ (http://www.riptideicehockey.com/)
Well. that answers that!
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Wow this made for some great conversation at practice last night.
So Flyers to field teams have to get waivers for the following
1) For "AA" level teams, a team's roster MUST have a minimum of 50% of its players from within its member association from the prior season (this update to the rule for this level passed at the 1/23/16 CAHA Meeting
2) The approved numbers of players that may join a team from a different Club's previous season roster are as follows: Squirts - 5 players; PeeWees, Bantams and Midget - 6 players.
As of now the flyers do not have the waivers, and have not even tried to get? Basically they have been told by Ben Cohen from the riptide that when he had talked to somebody at scaha months ago it should not be a problem.
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Someone from SCAHA saying the waivers shouldn't be a problem is not very reassuring. Anyone contemplating trying out for Valencia AA better be prepared to play A if the waivers aren't approved.
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I'm curious... Has anyone actually seen the waiver from Simi? I'm late to the party, so i may have missed it.
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Oh my heaven forbid your child play A hockey.
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Oh my heaven forbid your child play A hockey.
:) :) :)
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After doing my own investigation into the waiver matter with CAHA, Riptide and the Flyers, it appears the truth lies someplace in the middle of two sides.
No waiver has be offered by CAHA. As of 5/24, no waiver has yet been requested. According to CAHA a waiver is not an automatic and there is the possibility that it would not be granted.
Talking further to the parties involved and those pursuing this, action is now being taken pre evaluation to clear up the matter. There appears to be a good likelihood that a waiver would be granted based on past requests by the Riptide and other teams.
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Please see attached link for PDR
http://www.riptideicehockey.com/ (http://www.riptideicehockey.com/)
FYC69 when you go to your link they have taken down all the info about PDR and block recruiting?
Was this information wrong?
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BarryM- info still the same, nothing has changed. All Riptide players got the info now and know what to do.
You are welcome to come to our clinic in Valencia on Tuesday 6/2 @ 5:45pm and discuss in person if you want. I will be at the signup table.
If not, enjoy your tryout.
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OK folks, so here's my summary on Pavel for all of you. My son played bantam aa at riptide for 2 years, midget 18aa at Simi as a 15 (long story) and midget 16aa for Pavel again last year. He's 18aa this year but probably is not going to play mainly because Simi is not for him and Valencia is too far probably with too many goalies and he's average at best with school being a priority.
As for Pavel, he comes with many pluses and one major minus. Pluses: major player development, great amount of ice time, does not permit any cussing, knows the game as well as anyone I've seen, and runs the best practices around. Boys are never standing around. Also has dryland before and after ice. Kids will be in the best shape of their lives. Our boys competed with 9 skaters at the end of the year last year. Is passionate about the game and cares about making the kids better hockey players.
Minus: is not kid friendly and will overreact for some situations. Benched my son for a game (goalie) for undoing his strap in the locker room after a practice when Pavel was talking. Now, we did talk to him and he rescinded. But Pavel can cause anxiety and he's better with Midgets than bantams. If your son is the sensitive type, it could be a tough season. Having said that, my sons midget season was the best of his life because we sat with him early on and addressed the issues.
In conclusion, don't be afraid of him, he's not God. Your child's welfare comes first and we forget that at bantam sometimes as we get caught up in the game. You can approach him and discuss any issues that arise but only 24 hours after games, which I think is a good rule, and only in his office, also a good rule. Overall, I recommend Pavel with caution. Great for the game and the rink, but keep an eye on your son.
All the best to all of you and good luck during these stressful times. I personally will miss it greatly.
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That is a great post.
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OK folks, so here's my summary on Pavel for all of you. My son played bantam aa at riptide for 2 years, midget 18aa at Simi as a 15 (long story) and midget 16aa for Pavel again last year. He's 18aa this year but probably is not going to play mainly because Simi is not for him and Valencia is too far probably with too many goalies and he's average at best with school being a priority.
As for Pavel, he comes with many pluses and one major minus. Pluses: major player development, great amount of ice time, does not permit any cussing, knows the game as well as anyone I've seen, and runs the best practices around. Boys are never standing around. Also has dryland before and after ice. Kids will be in the best shape of their lives. Our boys competed with 9 skaters at the end of the year last year. Is passionate about the game and cares about making the kids better hockey players.
Minus: is not kid friendly and will overreact for some situations. Benched my son for a game (goalie) for undoing his strap in the locker room after a practice when Pavel was talking. Now, we did talk to him and he rescinded. But Pavel can cause anxiety and he's better with Midgets than bantams. If your son is the sensitive type, it could be a tough season. Having said that, my sons midget season was the best of his life because we sat with him early on and addressed the issues.
In conclusion, don't be afraid of him, he's not God. Your child's welfare comes first and we forget that at bantam sometimes as we get caught up in the game. You can approach him and discuss any issues that arise but only 24 hours after games, which I think is a good rule, and only in his office, also a good rule. Overall, I recommend Pavel with caution. Great for the game and the rink, but keep an eye on your son.
All the best to all of you and good luck during these stressful times. I personally will miss it greatly.
This pretty much nails it.
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AA Tryout times posted in the tryout thread.
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New Tier I and Tier II Requirements for 2016/17 Apr 4, 2016 1:52 PM On January 23, 2016, the CAHA Board of Directors approved changes for participation in Tier 1 commencing with the next season, 2016/17, as well as a change to the minimum PDR requirement for Tier 2. Details of the changes can be found on the "Policies" link to this website under the sub-link titled "Application for Tier I Inclusion." Please note the requirements and deadlines which are to be adhered to, and that application for Tier 1 for next season must be submitted to Youth Council by the specified deadline of February 15, 2016. In addition, the Board also added a provision that there will be up to a maximum of five (5) teams per age division.
With regard to the new Tier I and Tier II PDR (Player Development Requirement) for the upcoming 2016-17 Season, please note the following:
1. For the 2016-17 season only, a player's PDR will count at either their 2014-15 club or their 2015-16 club.
2. The 25% PDR requirement for Tier I is new to Tier I and applies to the 2016-17 Season, then increases to 50% in the 2017-18 season forward.
3. The PDR for Tier II is now increased starting the upcoming 2016-17 Season to 50% and going forward. *** Do not worry if you go to the Valencia tryouts on the Friday and realize they will not have a Bantam or Peewee AA team , I am sure the other teams will be holding a spot open just for your boy
Hey Barry, I see you are moving. We're so sad dawg. lmao
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New Tier I and Tier II Requirements for 2016/17 Apr 4, 2016 1:52 PM On January 23, 2016, the CAHA Board of Directors approved changes for participation in Tier 1 commencing with the next season, 2016/17, as well as a change to the minimum PDR requirement for Tier 2. Details of the changes can be found on the "Policies" link to this website under the sub-link titled "Application for Tier I Inclusion." Please note the requirements and deadlines which are to be adhered to, and that application for Tier 1 for next season must be submitted to Youth Council by the specified deadline of February 15, 2016. In addition, the Board also added a provision that there will be up to a maximum of five (5) teams per age division.
With regard to the new Tier I and Tier II PDR (Player Development Requirement) for the upcoming 2016-17 Season, please note the following:
1. For the 2016-17 season only, a player's PDR will count at either their 2014-15 club or their 2015-16 club.
2. The 25% PDR requirement for Tier I is new to Tier I and applies to the 2016-17 Season, then increases to 50% in the 2017-18 season forward.
3. The PDR for Tier II is now increased starting the upcoming 2016-17 Season to 50% and going forward. *** Do not worry if you go to the Valencia tryouts on the Friday and realize they will not have a Bantam or Peewee AA team , I am sure the other teams will be holding a spot open just for your boy
Hey Barry, I see you are moving. We're so sad dawg. lmao
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New Tier I and Tier II Requirements for 2016/17 Apr 4, 2016 1:52 PM On January 23, 2016, the CAHA Board of Directors approved changes for participation in Tier 1 commencing with the next season, 2016/17, as well as a change to the minimum PDR requirement for Tier 2. Details of the changes can be found on the "Policies" link to this website under the sub-link titled "Application for Tier I Inclusion." Please note the requirements and deadlines which are to be adhered to, and that application for Tier 1 for next season must be submitted to Youth Council by the specified deadline of February 15, 2016. In addition, the Board also added a provision that there will be up to a maximum of five (5) teams per age division.
With regard to the new Tier I and Tier II PDR (Player Development Requirement) for the upcoming 2016-17 Season, please note the following:
1. For the 2016-17 season only, a player's PDR will count at either their 2014-15 club or their 2015-16 club.
2. The 25% PDR requirement for Tier I is new to Tier I and applies to the 2016-17 Season, then increases to 50% in the 2017-18 season forward.
3. The PDR for Tier II is now increased starting the upcoming 2016-17 Season to 50% and going forward. *** Do not worry if you go to the Valencia tryouts on the Friday and realize they will not have a Bantam or Peewee AA team , I am sure the other teams will be holding a spot open just for your boy
Hey Barry, I see you are moving. We're so sad dawg. lmao
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnNNGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How Bout Dat!