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Title: 09 Brick Team
Post by: 09 Dad on November 08, 2016, 12:38:33 PM
My solution to both (a) playing-up into squirts and (b) improving Team California performance at The Brick, presented for your consideration (and, of course, your hater-shredding) ...

Underlying facts:

My proposal:

The obvious flaws:

Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Ziegler on November 08, 2016, 03:22:43 PM
What is your definition of "LONG?" If I'm not mistaken the 03's were a penalty shot away from playing for the title. The 04 team was in it until the last day.
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: area51 on November 09, 2016, 10:51:43 AM
when you think about it, the Brick teams stopped being competitive at the same time as the kids started to play up a level...coincidence?
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: goalie_dad on November 09, 2016, 11:17:01 AM
when you think about it, the Brick teams stopped being competitive at the same time as the kids started to play up a level...coincidence?

Didn't kids start to play up when the mites started playing half/cross ice?  Using what I learned in logic class a while back...

if
   brick teams are more competitive when kids don't play up and kids don't play up when mites play full ice
then
   brick teams are more competitive when mites play full ice

Any holes in this logic  :P

Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Go Kings_26 on November 09, 2016, 02:27:08 PM
What is your definition of "LONG?" If I'm not mistaken the 03's were a penalty shot away from playing for the title. The 04 team was in it until the last day.
the 03 brick team excelled because there was one coach that hand picked his kids. Politics minimal. Furthermore around 8 of those kids had already been playing together for several years. When it became a voting process and quotas were put on certain clubs things went down hill yet again. 
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: rosetta on November 09, 2016, 03:50:09 PM
Is it possible CA simply has a strong 03 birth year, regardless of full/half ice or smart/stupid coach?  ;)
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: #4BobbyOrr on November 11, 2016, 11:56:35 PM
03 was a strong birth year.  They won their division and got knocked out in a shootout at the brick.  The Jr King kids that played 03 Brick all played Squirt A in their minor Squirt year, so they were essentially playing up.  Don't know if they played mite or squirt in their major mite year but I do know that regardless of which level they played that it was full ice. 


Mite track 1 at the minimum should start out half ice and progress into full ice during the season.   09 kids that are playing and doing well at track 1 this year will go from cross ice to half ice this year then back to cross ice next year before going back up to half ice yet again. 


As far as the Brick goes, the California team's biggest problem I think is lack of hockey participation in the market in general.  These teams are stacked with outlier type talent and with fewer participants you will have fewer outliers.  It's just math.  The teams that go are very good.  Also markets like vancouver and minnesota are getting better/more serious about picking better teams.  Places like Chicago and Detroit are very political and their teams have had trouble because of it.  Not always sending the best kids.  When they figure it out like BC and MN did then as the competition improves it will get even more difficult to field California teams.
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Go Kings_26 on November 13, 2016, 04:21:13 PM
I disagree.....the problem with cali brick is that they form the team way too late.  My older son played a tourney two weeks ago.  In that tourney they played an allstar Boston team.  Crushed them!  Why?  Team had only been together a couple months and played individually.......Most brick teams are together 7 plus months before the tourney.  Thanks scaha for the late start in cali.
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: #4BobbyOrr on November 13, 2016, 07:41:27 PM
I disagree.....the problem with cali brick is that they form the team way too late.  My older son played a tourney two weeks ago.  In that tourney they played an allstar Boston team.  Crushed them!  Why?  Team had only been together a couple months and played individually.......Most brick teams are together 7 plus months before the tourney.  Thanks scaha for the late start in cali.


SCAHA is not affiliated with the California Brick team.  It's a privately held deal, one guy owns the rights to the region.  They play quite a few games before going to Edmonton, they should be able to pull it together by then. Putting the team together a few months earlier probably wouldn't hurt, however. 
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Go Kings_26 on November 14, 2016, 07:51:24 AM
I had heard scaha wouldn't allow formation of the team until the travel season ended.  That was why the late formation. The brick is separate but viewed contrary to the scaha commitment.
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Ziegler on November 14, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
Hopefully the 07's will have a decent showing so there's actually an 09 team to play on.
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Behind the Scenes on November 14, 2016, 12:45:28 PM
Hey Ziegs ....


The Brick team has had talent on each of their teams the last few years. That's the good news. Unfortunately, pooling these kids together as one team is a huge challenge. I rather put a team that plays very well together and moves the puck than put a bunch of individual all stars with their own egos that want to try to pad their stats at the brick and try to earn the individual award at the end of each game. If the core of kids can be brought together and gel it might be something to see but the simple fact is if you take a look at all the 07 right now at the SQA SQBB level. I can count maybe a handful of kids that really play as team and pass the puck ...team players at this level are rare most are  all out for themselves and pad their stats .... my prediction is that the cycle will repeat itself once again until Kurt Russell can make them play under one emblem and play for each other
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Ziegler on November 14, 2016, 01:24:31 PM
You make a lot of sense. I know the results have been disappointing the last few years but teams like Montreal, Chicgo and Detriot, hockey hot beds, haven't been lighing it on fire either. I realize Chicago and Detroit are political in their selections but I don't think Califonia is that far off from the rest. A ggod showing this year keeps the bid in good standing and they can forge on.
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Just Saying on November 14, 2016, 05:12:52 PM
The thing is... that 06 team was loaded with talent... and they still only won one game... in the final seconds. A few kids who should have been there weren't, and they could have made a difference, but the kids reverted to not passing... even though a lot of them played together quite a bit before. I could be wrong, but '07 doesn't have as many high end kids. Lots of talent, but not sure they have kids who can take over game. That being said, the '07 Kings are fast, pass first, and apply constant pressure.   


Regardless, California will always have a team. Just like Vegas getting an NHL team over Quebec, it is a major priority for all of hockey to expand beyond the usual markets.
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Ziegler on November 14, 2016, 06:52:35 PM
Not necessarily. My understanding from parents is that the bid is up for review every 3 to 5 years. Maybe someone can elaborate. 2 things could happen. It stays out West but maybe moves to Nor Cal or Arizona. Or...it goes away to another region. I had watched a few games this year and the announcers said PA was relatively new to the Brick so they must have taken someone's place.
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: Just Saying on November 14, 2016, 07:17:11 PM
Zero chance it ever leaves California. Region is way too populated with teams, players... and money. Extra stress on that last one. Yes, technically it "could" move, but more likely... regions will be added. With both Arizona and now Nevada getting NHL teams, I imagine they'll soon get tired of constantly being passed over for SoCal kids with closer relationships with coaches and easier commutes to practices/tryouts. Don't forget, these are businesses, and businesses like to expand, not shrink.
Title: Re: 09 Brick Team
Post by: kenedy on January 09, 2017, 08:30:21 AM
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