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Any updates, observations, intrigue, etc. from today's SCAHA camp?
I'll start with some.
I thought the difference between AAA and AA players was very noticeable.
I thought the level of goatending was below the level of skaters.
Who were the evaluators? I only recognized one AA coach. The head coaches from the major clubs were noticeably absent. I overheard someone say that many were parent coaches. That sounds scary.
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Any updates, observations, intrigue, etc. from today's SCAHA camp?
I'll start with some.
I thought the difference between AAA and AA players was very noticeable.
I thought the level of goatending was below the level of skaters.
Who were the evaluators? I only recognized one AA coach. The head coaches from the major clubs were noticeably absent. I overheard someone say that many were parent coaches. That sounds scary.
Couple observations:
- Agree with you on the evaluators. I didn't recognize any of them.
- Ice was poor, dip in middle of rink, and chunks of ice causing kids to fall and bouncing puck. That said they all had to deal, just thought they could have done better job for such an event.
- Would have liked there to have been more games or longer, perhaps stop time instead of run time.
- I think for both the 2003 and 2002 age groups, I feel bad some teams with really good talent (like Ducks and Wave Art) were absent and missed the opportunity. The fact they didn't move on at Silver Sticks makes it even more disappointing.
- There always seems to be that kid that jumps his place in line, not sure if evaluators even notice or if that hurts or helps their case.... Other kids get pissed. Same kid is probably the one that doesn't let the goaltender play the puck during pick up... LOL
- Good comment on the goaltending. I did think a couple stood out that were very good.
- I think it is so hard to evaluate defense. Again a few stood out to me. One defenceman from King 02 AAA and a couple from Wave Midget AA. If they just play good defense, not so noticeable, if they try to carry the puck end to end, then it isn't really typical of a normal game. And at least on the Defensive side, I would flip your comment on the AAA and AA kids. Some of the AAA defenseman looked way over their head. Not that some AA and others didn't.... [size=78%]
All in all, I don't envy the evaluators. Such a difficult position and task. There was a lot of quality kids, and someone who deserves to move on will not move on to the next round.[/size]
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[size=0px]" I think for both the 2003 and 2002 age groups, I feel bad some teams with really good talent (like Ducks and Wave Art) were absent and missed the opportunity. " [/size]
[size=0px]We watched this just to see what it was about( again we are 07). [/size]
[size=0px] The 03 group did not have one purple helmet out there. So I am guessing that team did not even go or blew it off ? Not sure you can field a team with out those kids. I am sure many parents were very happy that the 03 Kings, Ducks and Wave.[/size]
[size=0px] Seems kinda pointless to have a teams and players at this event who really have no business playing. Not to be mean but it really is not a true sense of the players out of Southern California. [/size]
[size=0px]Or am i wrong which could be. [/size]
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[size=0px]" I think for both the 2003 and 2002 age groups, I feel bad some teams with really good talent (like Ducks and Wave Art) were absent and missed the opportunity. " [/size]
[size=0px]We watched this just to see what it was about( again we are 07). [/size]
[size=0px] The 03 group did not have one purple helmet out there. So I am guessing that team did not even go or blew it off ? Not sure you can field a team with out those kids. I am sure many parents were very happy that the 03 Kings, Ducks and Wave.[/size]
[size=0px] Seems kinda pointless to have a teams and players at this event who really have no business playing. Not to be mean but it really is not a true sense of the players out of Southern California. [/size]
[size=0px]Or am i wrong which could be. [/size]
Great Point! Your right the 03 Kings are ranked top 3 in the nation and were out of town.
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Supposedly won that tourney as well.
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Come on, you think the 03 AAA Kings are going away that easy? This is CA hockey and the "politics" on that team, im sure CAHA has 5 to 6 spots reserved (or more) for that team alone. They are too good to pay the $100 something dollars for the first round like everyone else... Relax 8) you will see them most likely in the 2nd round or in the district finals ...
BTW, the first round results have been posted... Thoughts anyone?
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It isn't what I agree with, but I bet the whole team gets a bye.
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In looking at results from NORCAL & SCAHA, it's good to know that even though the election is over, politics is alive and well in California Youth Hockey.
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All in all, I don't envy the evaluators. Such a difficult position and task. There was a lot of quality kids, and someone who deserves to move on will not move on to the next round
Evaluation does seem like a difficult and syrange process. And I would venture to guess some politics are involved.
My son was disappointed to miss the camp. Last year he advanced to CAHA before being cut. He seemed to fail to "impress " the evaluators. He felt redememtion when a scout from the BCHL invited him , as an 02, to play on an 01 tournament team.
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All in all, I don't envy the evaluators. Such a difficult position and task. There was a lot of quality kids, and someone who deserves to move on will not move on to the next round
Evaluation does seem like a difficult and syrange process. And I would venture to guess some politics are involved.
My son was disappointed to miss the camp. Last year he advanced to CAHA before being cut. He seemed to fail to "impress " the evaluators. He felt redememtion when a scout from the BCHL invited him , as an 02, to play on an 01 tournament team.
Agree. For good or bad, I don't think many of the evaluators actually knew the players.
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It isn't what I agree with, but I bet the whole team gets a bye.
I was told you don't show you're not considered which means Ducks, Kings, Wave, Etc. are SOL.
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pretty new to this, but have heard, and know of, kids who are given "the pass" by people at usa hockey. not sure it's happened at the state level, but kids have been invited to the district level without having skated at the local (norcal/socal) or state (caha) camps...
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pretty new to this, but have heard, and know of, kids who are given "the pass" by people at usa hockey. not sure it's happened at the state level, but kids have been invited to the district level without having skated at the local (norcal/socal) or state (caha) camps...
,I think more then 1 day should be in question, maybe 3 ice times and you must make 2 of them to be considered. But is what it is, everyone should have to tryout.
But the bad side of this,
It does give the kids who make the team a false sense of how good they really are in California and a untrue statement on the talent level for Southern California. But I do feel that no one should ever get a free pass.
I dont know anyone on the lists or where to look. So if you took the 03 All star team in California ( with the top 03 kids selected) would that team compete with the 03 Kings.
I see alot of comments with the word politics ( whats that refer to )
Does not everyone pay the same. or is it something else I am missing ?
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I don't think an 03 all star team would hang with the Kings. As for this camp, the kings 03'a that are interested will skate next year and all will work itself out then.
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I don't think an 03 all star team could hang with the 03 Kings, although there are some strong 03's that don't play for the Kings.
We won't see any of the players who skipped the camp at the next level. However, there are players who were injured, registered for but could not attend the camp, and made it to the CAHA level this year. Same thing last year, including one player who was injured at CAHA, could not attend, and made it to the Western Regional camp in Colorado.
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In looking at results from NORCAL & SCAHA, it's good to know that even though the election is over, politics is alive and well in California Youth Hockey.
Making Hockey Great Again, that's for sure with the results. I see one kid on the 01 list who has had 2 concussions this year and practically missed the entire year of school. Glad my kid is not in that age group otherwise I would ask for a recount like Hillary. This camp is a joke.
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Really its a money grab!!!
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Is there a 'please everyone' answer to the select camp process? Probably not. For those unsure of what exactly the SCAHA select camp is, it's the starting process for selection to the USA national player development camps. The national camp brings together the best players from each district to compete amongst each other over the course of the week. Scouts from colleges, prep schools, and top junior leagues flock to these events.
Enjoy the process. There's no rush to your son's development as a player. If they make the camp roster, that's awesome. If they don't, use it as motivation but don't blame anyone else, that's a cop out. During Select Camp time I always talk to parents about the Tyler Johnson story. The same Tyler Johnson that currently is a top 6 forward for the Tampa Bay Lightning. Tyler was an undersized player from Spokane, Washington. He never once made it out of the Pacific District Camp into the National Camp. He wasn't a 16 year old prodigy. He was always a very good player with an incredible work ethic. He wasn't in a rush, he just worked his a** off and kept grinding. He had to play Junior B in the NorPac to finally get an opportunity with his hometown Spokane Chiefs in the WHL. He played out his entire junior age eligibility which included leading the whole WHL in scoring his last season. He was still never drafted. He played his entire first pro year in the AHL, leading the team in scoring, still no NHL call up. It took him 62 games into his 2nd season in AHL (while still leading his team in scoring) to get his call up to the NHL and he has never looked back since.
Tell that story to your kids, soak it in yourself, whatever it takes to stop comparing yourself to other players. If your son is better today than he was yesterday, then the process is taking care of itself. Great players will be found, regardless of where they play or what 'select camps' 'elite teams' or whatever else they're on. Enjoy the youth hockey process, there's nothing like it.
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Is there a 'please everyone' answer to the select camp process? Probably not. For those unsure of what exactly the SCAHA select camp is, it's the starting process for selection to the USA national player development camps. The national camp brings together the best players from each district to compete amongst each other over the course of the week. Scouts from colleges, prep schools, and top junior leagues flock to these events.
Enjoy the process. There's no rush to your son's development as a player. If they make the camp roster, that's awesome. If they don't, use it as motivation but don't blame anyone else, that's a cop out. During Select Camp time I always talk to parents about the Tyler Johnson story. The same Tyler Johnson that currently is a top 6 forward for the Tampa Bay Lightning. Tyler was an undersized player from Spokane, Washington. He never once made it out of the Pacific District Camp into the National Camp. He wasn't a 16 year old prodigy. He was always a very good player with an incredible work ethic. He wasn't in a rush, he just worked his a** off and kept grinding. He had to play Junior B in the NorPac to finally get an opportunity with his hometown Spokane Chiefs in the WHL. He played out his entire junior age eligibility which included leading the whole WHL in scoring his last season. He was still never drafted. He played his entire first pro year in the AHL, leading the team in scoring, still no NHL call up. It took him 62 games into his 2nd season in AHL (while still leading his team in scoring) to get his call up to the NHL and he has never looked back since.
Tell that story to your kids, soak it in yourself, whatever it takes to stop comparing yourself to other players. If your son is better today than he was yesterday, then the process is taking care of itself. Great players will be found, regardless of where they play or what 'select camps' 'elite teams' or whatever else they're on. Enjoy the youth hockey process, there's nothing like it.
Great Post, thanks for that!
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Been hearing a lot of debate, do 2003's advance past CAHA? Some say they move on to Districts and that's where it ends, but others say there are no Districts for the first year Bantams. Does anyone know the answer?
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Selected 2003 birth year players go from CAHA camp to a Western Regional development camp in Colorado Springs - and historically no national camp after that for first-year bantams. The next three years (02, 01 and 00) go to Pacific District camp, and about a dozen of the 80 at that camp are selected for National camp.
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Great post from BeebeHockeyCamp.
2003's (Bantam Minor) used to go to a national camp. Now, they advance to a regional camp after CAHA (older players advance to Pacific Dsitrict after CAHA, then the National Hockey Festival). The idea is to give more players the opportunity to experience what it feels like to be at a national camp. The regional camp is run just like a national camp with players from all over the Westen U.S. -- Dakotas, Colorado, Texas, Arizona, California, Pacific Northwest, Alaska, etc., just to name some of the bigger hockey states in the west.
It is a very cool experience. Players stay in dorms at Colorado College without parents. They are selected to teams and have a practice and game each day. There are also informative seminars on, for example, different hockey development paths, such as midget, prep school and juniors. Each team does lots of activities together, ranging from team building to playing other sports to eating together. The expectations on the players are very high, especially on compliance with all rules. There are scouts from various junior leagues, prep schools and colleges.
Here is a link to the camp: http://www.wrhpcamp.com
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From the players on the Camp rosters, None of the 03 Kings are on this list,( not sure of Wave) so the answer is none of them will be going to Western or regional camps at all. Which is good is some ways bad in others. Good that no exceptions were granted to any player.
Bad- you attend these camps to play against the best players to see where you fit in. If you are playing against the same players all year you are not getting out of what the camp was designed for.
The Coaches are not looking for the super stars they are looking at the ones that cant keep up with the rest.
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The 03 Kings players will attend the camp next December. Not a big deal