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Hockey Discussions => Midget Hockey => Topic started by: 1hockeydad on January 18, 2017, 02:26:54 PM
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Saw the Jr Kings have begun posting tryout dates. Have other clubs noted anything yet?
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I don't know but they would all have their tryouts over the same weekend.
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I don't know but they would all have their tryouts over the same weekend.
Yes, I suspect as much. Really hate that the teams do that here.
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I don't know but they would all have their tryouts over the same weekend.
Yes, I suspect as much. Really hate that the teams do that here.
How else would you have them do it?
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I don't know but they would all have their tryouts over the same weekend.
Yes, I suspect as much. Really hate that the teams do that here.
How else would you have them do it?
Stagger them, like it was in Mid Atlantic area or Colorado, where my kid has played in the past.
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I don't know but they would all have their tryouts over the same weekend.
Yes, I suspect as much. Really hate that the teams do that here.
How else would you have them do it?
Stagger them, like it was in Mid Atlantic area or Colorado, where my kid has played in the past.
Interesting...how does that work? How do they decide which club gets have tryouts first?
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I don't know but they would all have their tryouts over the same weekend.
Yes, I suspect as much. Really hate that the teams do that here.
How else would you have them do it?
Stagger them, like it was in Mid Atlantic area or Colorado, where my kid has played in the past.
Interesting...how does that work? How do they decide which club gets have tryouts first?
thus, the inherent problem, no club will want sloppy seconds, or worse, thirds, or fourths...
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I don't know but they would all have their tryouts over the same weekend.
Yes, I suspect as much. Really hate that the teams do that here.
How else would you have them do it?
Stagger them, like it was in Mid Atlantic area or Colorado, where my kid has played in the past.
Interesting...how does that work? How do they decide which club gets have tryouts first?
thus, the inherent problem, no club will want sloppy seconds, or worse, thirds, or fourths...
That's why I was curious as to the solution is in other regions.
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I don't know but they would all have their tryouts over the same weekend.
Yes, I suspect as much. Really hate that the teams do that here.
How else would you have them do it?
Stagger them, like it was in Mid Atlantic area or Colorado, where my kid has played in the past.
Interesting...how does that work? How do they decide which club gets have tryouts first?
thus, the inherent problem, no club will want sloppy seconds, or worse, thirds, or fourths...
From what was experienced, clubs will get certain kids regardless. As is here, many have kids that have been part of the same group brought up the ranks. The other aspect is that some kids will be in certain programs because of the ciaching and potential for exposure.
Here, kids are forced to go to one program. It may not work out for a variety of reasons. Then what? If all things are considered equal, then programs hold tryouts based on their needs, and accommodate all potential players that want to consider that particular club. Just look at what happened in this area last season.
Wave Bantam AAA didn't get numbers. Does that mean when they had to try out elsewhere, they were considered "sloppy seconds?" Or the kids that tried out for JK U16 AA?? Some talented kids ended up elsewhere, and were hardly "sloppy seconds." But maybe too, they were disappointed in having to end up on a team they really didn't want to be on.
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when are the tryouts I could not find the info
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AAA mid-May
AA early June
A, BB, B mid-June
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For the higher Tier clubs, it also seems they conspire to have their tryouts directly conflict on the first night, forcing you to choose one club over the other, while jeopardizing your chances since there is a belief (and likely fact) that coaches will hold it against you if you didn't come to their first tryout.
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For the higher Tier clubs, it also seems they conspire to have their tryouts directly conflict on the first night, forcing you to choose one club over the other, while jeopardizing your chances since there is a belief (and likely fact) that coaches will hold it against you if you didn't come to their first tryout.
[/size][size=78%]All of the clubs have tryouts the first day CAHA allows tryouts so they can sign their team. That's not even close to a conspiracy. In any event, it's irrelevant that the tryouts conflict because, particularly at the AAA level, the team is already picked prior to tryouts. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves. They really aren't even tryouts, more like sign ups of already selected players.[/size]
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For the higher Tier clubs, it also seems they conspire to have their tryouts directly conflict on the first night, forcing you to choose one club over the other, while jeopardizing your chances since there is a belief (and likely fact) that coaches will hold it against you if you didn't come to their first tryout.
[size=78%]All of the clubs have tryouts the first day CAHA allows tryouts so they can sign their team. That's not even close to a conspiracy. In any event, it's irrelevant that the tryouts conflict because, particularly at the AAA level, the team is already picked prior to tryouts. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves. They really aren't even tryouts, more like sign ups of already selected players.[/size]
Handboni has it mostly true, but not totally. There are some open slots that are based on who shows up. Coaches have kept some openings based on who they thought would show up, but when that doesn't happen, all bets are off. But also, if there was a real break up of tryout dates, there would be quite a different approach to club make ups based on what the kids want and parents really seeing what is best for the kids.
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Granted the tryouts are on the same day....opening Friday, but just watch. As soon as one of the big clubs announce (JK or JD), the other will make their tryout time in direct conflict. It ALWAYS happens instead of spreading them out so someone could go to both on the first day.
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Some years the team is pre-picked, some years it is as 1hockeydad says. Typically, coaches will have a plan A and a plan B (and sometimes a plan C), depending upon who shows and what direction the coach wants to go based on who shows.
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I don't know but they would all have their tryouts over the same weekend.
Yes, I suspect as much. Really hate that the teams do that here.
How else would you have them do it?
Stagger them, like it was in Mid Atlantic area or Colorado, where my kid has played in the past.
Interesting...how does that work? How do they decide which club gets have tryouts first?
thus, the inherent problem, no club will want sloppy seconds, or worse, thirds, or fourths...
The Wildcats or Wave have no problem with sloppy fourths....
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New CAHA rule has Tier 2 tryouts in May. SCAHA has agreed that they will do theirs in June. Question is will any clubs follow CAHA rule and do May?
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[size=78%]What I suggest might make it a bit more fair was for the clubs to pre-sign X # of players and then post the openings. Kind of like [/size]
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2 D
1 C
1 goalie
Whatever.
Wasting time trying out for a team that has no spots? What is the point of that? The clubs make money, is the point.
Thoughts?
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Great idea.
Another one: have some skates like they run for Selects. Families Indy are clubs they are interested in, clubs give out offers. Tryouts after to fill spots.
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New CAHA rule has Tier 2 tryouts in May. SCAHA has agreed that they will do theirs in June. Question is will any clubs follow CAHA rule and do May?
That is interesting that SCAHA and CAHA dates are not in sync. I would think of SCAHA doesn't change clubs would have to follow those dates
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I think the dates are just "guidelines", but they cannot be earlier than the posted dates. No matter...the big clubs will make it so that their first tryout conflicts with their biggest competitor so that you have to choose one over the other, then some will hold it against you that you didn't come to their tryout first.
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I think the dates are just "guidelines", but they cannot be earlier than the posted dates. No matter...the big clubs will make it so that their first tryout conflicts with their biggest competitor so that you have to choose one over the other, then some will hold it against you that you didn't come to their tryout first.
100% The dates are guidelines, however my question is will all the clubs in SoCal follow the SCAHA suggestion or get the jump and do it early.
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For the higher Tier clubs, it also seems they conspire to have their tryouts directly conflict on the first night, forcing you to choose one club over the other, while jeopardizing your chances since there is a belief (and likely fact) that coaches will hold it against you if you didn't come to their first tryout.
[size=78%]All of the clubs have tryouts the first day CAHA allows tryouts so they can sign their team. That's not even close to a conspiracy. In any event, it's irrelevant that the tryouts conflict because, particularly at the AAA level, the team is already picked prior to tryouts. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves. They really aren't even tryouts, more like sign ups of already selected players.[/size]
As a coach once said, "you gotta save a spot or two in case a Bobby Orr and his twin brother, show up unexpected."
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For 18UAAA you are all wasting your time. If you want your players to go beyond California i hope you are looking beyond the state
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@gr8work. I was wondering if you would expound on your thought. How about 16AAA as well? Kids missed 20+ days of school and how many of those will move to juniors and D1 colleges? Someone said less than 1 in 10 and by the time they hit 20, the chances become less. Some will play club hockey in college, but at what point does getting a good college education outweigh those pursuing AAA. Many of the best will be gone off to juniors by then. I guess the same could be said for all college sports...fun vs. a good job, except for those 1-percenters that will make money in hockey. So...for us west-coasters, is AAA really the way to go at over $30K a year?
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This is a great topic for us young families... so does prep school become a better option? Yes, having your kids being away from their family seems hard to think about, but education and high level hockey can't be a bad alternative? Again, our family is a ways off, but this board has families that are living this experience.
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I have had the pleasure of having been a parent that has had a child in Prep School and who also played 16AAA and 18AAA. There are many reasons that go into letting your child leave home at an early age. My son went the Prep school route as a freshman and played varsity with his prep school as a 15 year old. He was playing against some 19 Y/Olds and did well in hockey and in school. That being said, he missed home terribly and at the end of his freshman year came home. He ended up playing 16AAA and 18AAA and has grown tremendously over that period of time. Not only has his hockey skills improved with the great coaching that we have here in SoCal nowadays, his schooling has been excellent and we as parents have enjoyed the extra two years we got to spend with him.
His exposure to scouts at the Prep level was great. They are around the schools and tournaments and if you son/daughter are good enough they will be seen and seen alot. But his opportunities at the AAA level have been just a good because they are playing top notch teams "Tier One Elite league" and scouts from Prep schools to all Junior leagues go to these showcases as well.
If I had to do it all over again, I would have him played up to 16AAA at home and let him attend Prep school if he wanted to. If he didn't go to prep school and stayed home to play 18AAA, it is NOT a bad choice. It depends again on the child and his or her mindset, but no one should think that just because you child does not go to prep school that they do not have a chance to play juniors, that is not true. My son is playing 18AAA and has had many offers to play Juniors next year and from top leagues, as well as contacted by D1 college coaches. At the end of the day if they have the skills and are playing in the right leagues that have exposure, they will be seen by the next level coaches.
Cost is always in the equation and it's true very few get to the next level, but paying for prep school and having your child be away from home at 15-16 or paying the money to AAA, I would rather have him home and still have the exposure to go to the next level if he is good enough. Both options are good and should be looked at carefully before any decisions are made.
At the end of the day we as parents feel good about how it played out and we have enjoyed the hockey ride with our 4 children immensely. Its teaches them so much of what is needed to be an adult and the friendships with the parents and coaches along the way has been awesome.
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Thanks to 1Mightyd for sharing first-person experience & insight! From those of aging faster than our players trying to figure out a path, it is GREATLY appreciated! As we go broke for our players, nice to know some succeeded!
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Agreed 1Mightyd - very insightful post, lots of great information. No question it depends on the player and the circumstances.
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@gr8work. I was wondering if you would expound on your thought. How about 16AAA as well? Kids missed 20+ days of school and how many of those will move to juniors and D1 colleges? Someone said less than 1 in 10 and by the time they hit 20, the chances become less. Some will play club hockey in college, but at what point does getting a good college education outweigh those pursuing AAA. Many of the best will be gone off to juniors by then. I guess the same could be said for all college sports...fun vs. a good job, except for those 1-percenters that will make money in hockey. So...for us west-coasters, is AAA really the way to go at over $30K a year?
16AAA is, in my opinion, ok to stay in the state but only if you play for the Ducks, Kings or Sharks. The reason for that is you want to be on Tier1 Elite League team and have a chance to go to the SCAHA/CAHA/District camps and because of politics you are much more likely to be selected if you are on one of those teams. Sending your 16 year-old to Prep school is tough and you will miss a big year of them growing up. That said, most of the players I know that have gotten D1 scholarships or are playing Jrs. at 17 left California at 16 or 15 (the USA U16 team has 1 such California player who went to Shattuck at 15, the other CA contenders this year didn't make it).
I think it's ok to wait until 17 (assuming this makes your son a Junior in high school, prep schools don't want kids to join their senior year). But if you're son goes back to Prep and then gets too homesick and returns the next year, you have to seriously consider that they shouldn't play Jrs. or go to college away from home, and that is part of the thinking of the coaches looking at your players. If they couldn't handle being away from home at 17, what makes you think they will be ok with that at 18? ON the other hand, if your son (or daughter for that matter) does well in Prep school and can be away, they are more likely to handle Jrs or College.
18AAA in California just doesn't have the same cache as prep. Look at the U17 USA Nationals team at http://www.usahockeyntdp.com/news_article/show/783735?referrer_id=654408 40% of the team came from Prep schools, 0% from California teams.
Do i think the California kids don't deserve it? Of course not, but they don't play consistently at the same level as prep does week after week.
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The input has been great, but nobody has addressed how missing dozens of days of school at the 16AAA level in California has affected grades? That is the big selling point for prep school. Virtually no missed school...far better school with 1-8 teacher/student ratios, no wasted time on TV and video games and a culture that education comes first, though at a hefty price unless you get financial aid. I remember a few years back, SCAHA gave a patch for good grades, but then the patches weren't distributed until season's end. What a joke. Tell me...when has your kids coach EVER asked to see a report card? I can tell you that in 10 years, I have never had a coach ask for that, both here and in No Cal. That would indicate they simply do not care. All colleges say that hockey talent is important, but so are your grades. What is the minimum..2.7? But they tell you, that is only the worst of the colleges with most demanding upwards of 3.5-3.8 and higher. Did you take a look at the U17 National Team just announced? One California kid and many of the others? Yep. Prep schools. I know I don't want to lose my kid at 16, but when do you put school above west coast hockey? Seems like a bit of a bait and switch...promises of glory if you pay for a lot of clinics, but still, most of those kids might play a little juniors and then settle down and realize they will have to find real jobs. As for those prestigious camps? Yes...the top kids get recognized and move on, but we all know that a number of those kids move on because of the names on their jerseys. I do not have any advice but "buyer beware". D3 and club hockey is great for those not moving on to the NHL and at least you get to pick your college instead of hoping to get drafted and being told where you are going to play. Of course, if you truly have what it takes, go for it! You don't want to look back and say "what if?" In the end, this is a huge decision year for many. Junior year grades, along with SAT/ACT prep is extremely important. If your kid isn't going to the NHL, is it really worth the sacrifice to miss that much school and bring As down to Bs and Cs?
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You got it fellas. Like hockey, a real education takes significant amount of focused time, practice and a development plan. Those of us out in the business world know that the difference here is that having higher caliber brain skills and personality opens a world of opportunities throughout life. The next 60+ years of our kids lives are being hugely impacted by near term decisions.
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Some coaches still ask for Report Cards. My son got sat for an entire game due to a bad 1/2 semester grade.
On the other hand a bunch of parents got in a huff about being asked and insisted "it was none of the coach's business". So who is to blame for the issue? Parents don't want their Prima Donas to have consequences. It is society wide not just a hockey problem.
You hear it everywhere you go. "Kids these days" no work ethic, obese, video addicts etc. Kids aren't born that way, they are taught. It is not a kid problem, it is a parent problem.
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I agree with you whole-heartedly! Look at a bad kid and often times, you look at the parents and shake your head...no surprise there. Too many parents want to be "cool" or their kid's friend...not a parent. Grades mean EVERYTHING....Coaches should ask and tell parents if their kids get shitty grades, they will sit. If they don't like it, find another team, but keep in mind. Virtually all school sports, including college, until adulthood, will have a minimum grade requirement.