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Hockey Discussions => Peewee Hockey => Topic started by: hockeyrules on February 14, 2017, 04:49:27 AM
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Anyone here think its a big deal for coaches and team managers to cheat to make the p.d.r requirements so their team can go into playdowns?
WELL I think its bullshit , but its a fact and CAHA knows about it and has done nothing to stop it. A Ghost player thats being double rostering, Game sheets falsified to show players played in games that they did not even attend.
ALL these accusations are true and backed up with factual evidence !
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Would love to hear more about this... Been hearing rumors about this for months.
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What are the details? Double rostering is easily proven, and wouldn't that result in a forfeit of the game(s) where that player was either on the roster or game sheet? Don't the rules require PDR to be met as of 10/31 and any deficiency cured by 12/31?
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What someone might cheat.
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Man and I thought we had assholes on our team!!!
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If what I've been hearing is true, its hard to believe a club would take such a risk, but looks like they're about to get away with it... Guess I shouldn't be surprised that CAHA ain't doing jack to hold the club responsible, but it is BS that people get away with shady crap like this.
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If what I've been hearing is true, its hard to believe a club would take such a risk, but looks like they're about to get away with it... Guess I shouldn't be surprised that CAHA ain't doing jack to hold the club responsible, but it is BS that people get away with shady crap like this.
name names...
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name names...
I can't name any names and accuse others while I don't have definitive proof. Like I said, I've heard rumors and may have an idea which club it is, but no way for me to know if rumors are real. Only that mystery club, and CAHA, know what's really going down.
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sounds like someone is upset they didn't make Playdowns. might want to start looking at your own club...but please don't start blaming the kids!
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sounds like someone is upset they didn't make Playdowns. might want to start looking at your own club...but please don't start blaming the kids!
Certainly possible, but playoffs or not, I did hear these rumors months ago so if someone like me, who's hardly in the know, have heard about it, other parents must have heard something...
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Awesome darkness as crept back to the calhockey boards. Rumors have grown in the shadows. Is this the time for the uprising? Can the clubs from the north finally crush the clubs from the south?
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Awesome darkness as crept back to the calhockey boards. Rumors have grown in the shadows. Is this the time for the uprising? Can the clubs from the north finally crush the clubs from the south?
True that, the PWAA board has been boring as sh*t and I'm both surprised and glad someone brought up this PDR rumor as I have wondered many times if it was true or not... But anyhow, since my kid's PWAA career officially came to a close, I'm looking forward to bantam and getting ready for 'real' hockey.
I don't know about the North 'crushing' the South, but GSE2 certainly looks like the best team out there. I was surprised my kid's team actually gave them a little run for their money, but in the end, they were too big, too balanced and skilled.
Regarding an uprising, I say Make CAHA Great Again! Oh wait... has CAHA ever actually been great?
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I've got to think hockeyrules had a rough night for both those angry blasts in the early morning hours, but he has a valid point about skirting the PDR. The rumors have been so widespread for months, I'm shocked it hasn't made it to the boards until now. God knows these boards have needed something to fire them up! I can't see any way it would be allowed per the guidelines, but the outright flagrancy has me thinking the coach has found a loophole acceptable to the club and CAHA. If not, someone should file complaint and the coach and club should face the consequences. But that's bullsh*t for the kids that have earned a right to playdowns with their level of play. So who loses in the end?
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Can someone at least mention the area this team is from? Just throw it out there! LOL! Inquiring minds want to know!
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Can someone at least mention the area this team is from? Just throw it out there! LOL! Inquiring minds want to know!
So Cal ::)
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91 and Pioneer, but everything I've seen shows they easily make PDR at PWAA.
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A wise yet dick-ish man once told me "if youth hockey is the biggest thorn in your side, then life is good." 😉
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A wise yet dick-ish man once told me "if youth hockey is the biggest thorn in your side, then life is good." 😉
you must have been talking in your sleep!
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Not sure if it was PDR or kids dropping out or the finances but Wave 2 is now off of the play down schedule and replaced by OCHC.
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Not sure if it was PDR or kids dropping out or the finances but Wave 2 is now off of the play down schedule and replaced by OCHC.
It was not meeting PDR. Same as their Bantam team.
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Hmmm PDR used to be 50% but I thought PDR for Tier II and A/B hockey was 25% this year
From SCAHA RULEBOOK
SECTION 24 - TEAM ELIGIBILITY
24.01 Block Recruitment occurs when more than the approved number of players from a final team roster in the previous season is rostered with a different club’s team in the new season. The team will not be included in the SCAHA schedule and will be ineligible for post-season playoffs. The approved numbers of players that may join a team from a different club’s previous season roster are as follows: Squirts – 5 players; Peewees, Bantams and Midgets – 6 players.
24.02 CAHA RULE - In order to be eligible for SCAHA and CAHA playoffs, Peewee, Bantam and Midget Tier II and ‘A’ level teams must meet the CAHA player development requirements (PDR).
24.03 Any team deemed ineligible for violating SCAHA or CAHA rules will not be included in the SCAHA schedule.
FROM CAHA RULEBOOK
6.22 PLAYER DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT(PDR): In order to be eligible for post season participation, all CAHA registered Pee Wee, Bantam and Midget A and Tier II teams must meet the following minimum Player Development Requirement:
a. Said teams must roster a minimum of 25% of its players from within its member association. Any team that falls below its Player Development Requirement will have until December 31 to replace their Player Development Requirement to maintain their postseason eligibility.
b. A team that falls below its Player Development Requirement minimum because of player movement to the Tier I or Junior level within the same age division, shall not render that team ineligible for playoffs because of the Player Development Requirement.
c. The minimum CAHA Player Development Requirement per team is as follows:
12 player roster = 3 player minimum
13 player roster = 3 player minimum
14 player roster = 4 player minimum
15 player roster = 4 player minimum
16 player roster = 4 player minimum
17 player roster = 4 player minimum
18 player roster = 4 player minimum
19 player roster = 5 player minimum
20 player roster = 5 player minimum
d. Players eligible to meet the Player Development Requirement are defined as:
1. Players who actively participated on teams within the same Member Association the previous season, as shown by USA Hockey registration.
2. In the case of Tier II teams, players must have been rostered on a Tier I, Tier II, A or B team with the Member Association during the prior year and must have participated in the minimum number of games required to be eligible for CAHA state playoffs except where injury or
illness prevented such participation (proof of illness or injury is required).
3. Players designated as meeting the PDR requirement must be actively participating on the subject team as of October 31 of the current playing season unless injury or illness prevents such participation in which case medical documentation of the illness or injury must be provided.
4. In the case of A teams, house players may not count toward the Player Development Requirement if they were also rostered on a Tier I, Tier II, A or B team with another Member Association during the same season.
5. Players who are new to travel ice hockey may be counted as PDR for “A" teams. These players cannot have previously played for any other travel ice hockey club in California.
6. A consolidated team may meet its PDR requirement using players from the same team the previous season plus players from A or B teams on any of the team’s forming Member Associations during the previous season.
Wave 2 Were:
| Number | Last Year Team |
| 4 | Wave SQ A |
| 11 | Wave Art 2 PWA |
| 12 | Wave SQ A |
| 13 | Wave Art 2 PWA |
| 14 | Wave SQ A |
| 16 | Ice Dogs 2 SQ A |
| 18 | Jr Ducks 2 PWAA |
| 19 | Ice Dogs PWA |
| 21 | Bears |
| 22 | Ice Dogs 1 SQ A |
| 27 | Ice Dogs 2 SQ A |
| 28 | Wave SQ A |
| 31 | Jr Ducks 1 PWA |
| 33 | OCHC1 PWA |
| 52 | Ice Dogs 2 SQ A |
| 66 | Wave Art 1 PWA |
| 68 | OCHC SQ A |
| 70 | Jr Ducks 1 PWAA |
| 98 | Wave Art 2 PWA |
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Tier 2 is 50%. Tier 1 was 25% this season
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Confusing??
6.22 PLAYER DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT(PDR): In order to be eligible for post season participation, all CAHA registered Pee Wee, Bantam and Midget A and Tier II teams must meet the following minimum Player Development Requirement:
a. Said teams must roster a minimum of 25% of its players from within its member association. Any team that falls below its Player Development Requirement will have until December 31 to replace their Player Development Requirement to maintain their postseason eligibility.
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It could easily be any of the following too:
6.24 RECRUITMENT:
a. Recruitment is defined as the open solicitation and/or direct contact by coaches, team officials, association officials, parents or players, by mail, email, and/or telephone, of players currently registered with another association except as explicitly allowed by USA Hockey.
b. CAHA prohibits any one from offering or providing financial incentives to any player or any player's family as an inducement to join any team that is not offered to all players or player's families.
6.25 DUAL ROSTERING:
Except as otherwise set forth in these rules, no player may be rostered on more than one team within the state of California that is state and/or national championship eligible. This rule specifically prohibits the rostering of a player on a USA Hockey registered team or any college team (except college club teams) and any other A, B or Tier team in the state.
This same group of coaches has been sending out tons of emails lately under the guise of "Patriots Hockey" to all kinds of families outside of their club. They have no regard for the rules and think they can do whatever they want and it's about time CAHA/SCAHA made an example out of them. Their Bantam A team is even more of a mess. Be interesting to see if they will be playoff eligible. I would think not...
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You listed 19 players. Did they really have a 19 player roster? 2 Practice players? (PDR circumvention?) Kids leaving the team?
The one other thing about the PDR is that if a kid played at the club the year prior, then they would still count toward the PDR. The kid from the Bears played for the Wave the prior season, so should also count. Perhaps there were others. But clearly from your list, they should have easily made the PDR.
If it is indeed the PDR, then that's a shame because as a primarily '05 team, they showed a lot of development over the course of the season from the looks of their results in the 2nd half.
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Congrats, due to your feelings being hurt, everyone not thinking your child is the best, and you wanting to get even with the coach, you single handedly devastated a group of kids and their families. Bravo... Remember karma ALWAYS comes back
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So Cal is such a small hockey community, it's too bad parents don't think first before alienating themselves, now who's gonna want this parent part of their group in the future?
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Congrats, due to your feelings being hurt, everyone not thinking your child is the best, and you wanting to get even with the coach, you single handedly devastated a group of kids and their families. Bravo... Remember karma ALWAYS comes back
Not sure who you're referring to, but I believe karma just has come back. Definitely sucks for the kids and that's the worst part. These coaches think they're above the rules and if parents follow coaches who break safe sport rules, recruiting rules, PDR and more, buyer beware. Personally, I would look at the Club who takes on these type and obviously the coaches if you're looking for blame.
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So Cal is such a small hockey community, it's too bad parents don't think first before alienating themselves, now who's gonna want this parent part of their group in the future?
This Dumb Dumb (hockey rules) might want to look into the new BF Team the Tijuana Kitties. They'll take him.
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So Cal is such a small hockey community, it's too bad parents don't think first before alienating themselves, now who's gonna want this parent part of their group in the future?
This Dumb Dumb (hockey rules) might want to look into the new BF Team the Tijuana Kitties. They'll take him.
Aren't the rules in place for a reason? Did they change the rules mid-season? Wave did the same thing with a Bantam team and everyone was all upset. It's not that hard to comply
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Congrats, due to your feelings being hurt, everyone not thinking your child is the best, and you wanting to get even with the coach, you single handedly devastated a group of kids and their families. Bravo... Remember karma ALWAYS comes back
Not sure who you're referring to, but I believe karma just has come back. Definitely sucks for the kids and that's the worst part. These coaches think they're above the rules and if parents follow coaches who break safe sport rules, recruiting rules, PDR and more, buyer beware. Personally, I would look at the Club who takes on these type and obviously the coaches if you're looking for blame.
Well put. It's the club not the kids or parents. Sad part is like you said is the kids who get the short end of the stick
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So Cal is such a small hockey community, it's too bad parents don't think first before alienating themselves, now who's gonna want this parent part of their group in the future?
This Dumb Dumb (hockey rules) might want to look into the new BF Team the Tijuana Kitties. They'll take him.
Aren't the rules in place for a reason? Did they change the rules mid-season? Wave did the same thing with a Bantam team and everyone was all upset. It's not that hard to comply
rules didn't change mid-season. but I believe this is the first year of 50% PDR for AA and next year I heard it's going back to 25%. As for the Bantam team, they were fine with being playoff ineligible, they just wanted to be on the Bantam AA schedule.
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So Cal is such a small hockey community, it's too bad parents don't think first before alienating themselves, now who's gonna want this parent part of their group in the future?
This Dumb Dumb (hockey rules) might want to look into the new BF Team the Tijuana Kitties. They'll take him.
Aren't the rules in place for a reason? Did they change the rules mid-season? Wave did the same thing with a Bantam team and everyone was all upset. It's not that hard to comply
rules didn't change mid-season. but I believe this is the first year of 50% PDR for AA and next year I heard it's going back to 25%. As for the Bantam team, they were fine with being playoff ineligible, they just wanted to be on the Bantam AA schedule.
That Bantam A team isn't going to be playoff eligibale due to PDR.
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Congrats, due to your feelings being hurt, everyone not thinking your child is the best, and you wanting to get even with the coach, you single handedly devastated a group of kids and their families. Bravo... Remember karma ALWAYS comes back
Singlehandedly?
Karma? A lot of Hindus playing hockey these days? Maybe this and now is the Karma payback for all those kids being swindlers, hooligans and thieves in their last lives and now the karma score is even?
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize there were so many people in here that never break rules. Everyone here goes the speed limit, pays ALL their taxes, and never exaggerates. Its sad that the kids had to go down. "Buyer beware", they were buying, until things were not going their way. Then they ran and tattled.
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize there were so many people in here that never break rules. Everyone here goes the speed limit, pays ALL their taxes, and never exaggerates. Its sad that the kids had to go down. "Buyer beware", they were buying, until things were not going their way. Then they ran and tattled.
So what was it exactly that these disgruntled parents 'tattled'!? I've heard it was the extra money charged, the PDR, or both... Nobody follow rules fully 100% of the time, but CAHA rules are generally well defined and teams do try to comply to the fullest. There must have been something fishy or CAHA wouldn't have stepped in, right? But at the end of the day, it is a sad situation for the Wave2 kids. They did play well enough to make playdowns.
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Greetings from stormy NorCal.....**For the record I am not a CAHA, NorCal, or SCAHA board member **
I would not normally post on a PeeWee board but this one has me going a little. I find it interesting that those on this thread are blaming a "tattler" and making insinuations that they are black balled from youth hockey for life instead of looking at the real culprits in this whole thing. Much like Wave3, Wave2 has become a victim of motivation to create teams no matter the rules. Let us break this down so that everyone understands..
The Wave created a team they knew was on the bubble as far as PDR. The PDR rules were circulated way before the team was formed and were discussed at a CAHA Meeting. Those same rules were discussed at the managers meetings to insure that this did not happen. Well it did. The Wave dropped a player but then added a player fixing the PDR issue. The only problem is that the added player failed to actively participate in the required number of games per USA Hockey rule 10.10 that states "USA Hockey requires that a Tier II team must play a minimum of 20 games. Each rostered Tier II player must play a minimum of 10 games." Lets go a little further and look at the documentation submitted by the team. CAHA rule 6.13d states "Players not in attendance or not able to participate in any game shall be crossed off from the list of players on all copies of the game score sheet." Hmmmm, this didn't happen either.
Let us take it one step further. Rule 6.13c states "The head coach is responsible for the accuracy of the scoresheet. Inaccurate or unsigned score sheets may result in suspension, fines, and/or forfeitures." Sadly this is either a rookie manager, an misinformed coach or they were trying to get one over on everybody....either way not good.
Lastly, there is a roster credentialing process that all teams go through prior to playdowns. This means that the club must submit their binder to the SCAHA registrar for review and certification. Many of the violations should have and could have been found at this point. So, make sure that your blame is pointed in the right direction.....
It sucks for the kids and parents that got caught up in this thing but look at the team that got in instead. They complied with the rules and are moving on. The club made a decision to try and work around the rules knowing there would be ramifications. I would encourage the upset parents to talk to the club leadership and find out what really happened instead of taking shots and one another. Go one step further and demonstrate for your young people what it looks like to face adversity and move on, coming out better on the other end. I speak from experience as I was once referred to as "one of those crazy hockey parents."
There are not any winners here.......
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Hear, hear!
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Greetings from stormy NorCal.....**For the record I am not a CAHA, NorCal, or SCAHA board member **
I would not normally post on a PeeWee board but this one has me going a little. I find it interesting that those on this thread are blaming a "tattler" and making insinuations that they are black balled from youth hockey for life instead of looking at the real culprits in this whole thing. Much like Wave3, Wave2 has become a victim of motivation to create teams no matter the rules. Let us break this down so that everyone understands..
The Wave created a team they knew was on the bubble as far as PDR. The PDR rules were circulated way before the team was formed and were discussed at a CAHA Meeting. Those same rules were discussed at the managers meetings to insure that this did not happen. Well it did. The Wave dropped a player but then added a player fixing the PDR issue. The only problem is that the added player failed to actively participate in the required number of games per USA Hockey rule 10.10 that states "USA Hockey requires that a Tier II team must play a minimum of 20 games. Each rostered Tier II player must play a minimum of 10 games." Lets go a little further and look at the documentation submitted by the team. CAHA rule 6.13d states "Players not in attendance or not able to participate in any game shall be crossed off from the list of players on all copies of the game score sheet." Hmmmm, this didn't happen either.
Let us take it one step further. Rule 6.13c states "The head coach is responsible for the accuracy of the scoresheet. Inaccurate or unsigned score sheets may result in suspension, fines, and/or forfeitures." Sadly this is either a rookie manager, an misinformed coach or they were trying to get one over on everybody....either way not good.
Lastly, there is a roster credentialing process that all teams go through prior to playdowns. This means that the club must submit their binder to the SCAHA registrar for review and certification. Many of the violations should have and could have been found at this point. So, make sure that your blame is pointed in the right direction.....
It sucks for the kids and parents that got caught up in this thing but look at the team that got in instead. They complied with the rules and are moving on. The club made a decision to try and work around the rules knowing there would be ramifications. I would encourage the upset parents to talk to the club leadership and find out what really happened instead of taking shots and one another. Go one step further and demonstrate for your young people what it looks like to face adversity and move on, coming out better on the other end. I speak from experience as I was once referred to as "one of those crazy hockey parents."
There are not any winners here.......
Amen! The coach and club did this not the parents. Shame on them
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize there were so many people in here that never break rules. Everyone here goes the speed limit, pays ALL their taxes, and never exaggerates. Its sad that the kids had to go down. "Buyer beware", they were buying, until things were not going their way. Then they ran and tattled.
Sure, we all roll through stop signs or drive over the speed limit. But when one gets caught I don't stomp my feet and point to the guy coming down the road and tell the cop "see he didn't stop either!". The difference is not breaking the rules, the difference is manning up when you get busted.
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Wave 2 might have shown they had PDR but a player that was rostered on the team was with club last year but didn't play in the required 10 games he needed to play.
Sad that the club, head coach, and manager allowed that to happen. how do you explain that to the rest of the kids on the team? Oh well!
good luck to all teams in play downs this weekend!!
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Much like Wave3, Wave2 has become a victim of motivation to create teams no matter the rules. Let us break this down so that everyone understands..
Each rostered Tier II player must play a minimum of 10 games." Lets go a little further and look at the documentation submitted by the team. CAHA rule 6.13d states "Players not in attendance or not able to participate in any game shall be crossed off from the list of players on all copies of the game score sheet." Hmmmm, this didn't happen either.
Let us take it one step further. Rule 6.13c states "The head coach is responsible for the accuracy of the scoresheet. Inaccurate or unsigned score sheets may result in suspension, fines, and/or forfeitures." Sadly this is either a rookie manager, an misinformed coach or they were trying to get one over on everybody....either way not good.
I'm pretty sure that the Bantam A Wave 3 team isn't playoff eligible but from what I've heard, some of their parents are under the impression that they are. Is the PDR rule 50% for A hockey or is it 25%? Either way, they have a particular player that does not show up to games and whenever they play at home, the player miraculously appears on the score sheet. I know for a fact that this is occurring because I've seen video of multiple games. Question is, I wonder if these coaches/manager will go back and correct these stats now that they are aware or if they'll continue to submit false information.
Seems to be a theme with these two... Just sayin :o
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We had three families on are team that were Dumb as Crap. I would not hire anyone of them to be my gardener or my butler. The trio went out of the way to make our life's a living hell. Be careful of the players parents you pick. They maybe more damaging to your team than their offspring. ;D
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Well Ill be damned. I was wondering when the fireworks were going to go off with at least one of those numbers and I'm VERY SURE it was simmering from day 2 (Day 1 you have to put your best foot forward to fool everyone into how classy you REALLY ARENT). That's how those devious types work . Anyway Jacks statement is to be taken seriously. There was Drama from hell last year and it moved east. So now that's two ice houses with Persona non Grata signs posted at the entrance . But as you have already read, its not them, ITS YOU that is the problem..! Just ask them!! We had a much more enjoyable year here and sorry some of you got hit strait in the face with the transplant but, at least you know what the cancer looks like now.
Damn, you just can't change the stripes on a zebra.
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The difference between Tuesdays and Wednesdays:
On Tuesdays, we get to see posts that call out specific players and families by jersey number. On Wednesdays we get to see that those posts were removed after the author stumbled upon a magic bean that gave them a sense of judgement.
That's not very believable. It could be that after going full retard, Simple Jack was taken hostage by Flaming Dragon who then removed the post since it was bad for their heroin business.
That's probably a reach too - the hostage part at least. Maybe he just got slapped down by the moderator...
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So how does a team that, by oneanddone's count, had 8 returning Wave players not meet PDR? We've seen Wave parents deny the insinuations on the funds, but apart from calling out other families on their team, no one from the team has seemed to explain what was going on with their roster or what explanation was given to them for not advancing to the playoffs.
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I removed the post because of the player numbers. If it happens again, the author will be banned.
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Damn, I got more Face Washes from one "Man up and take the consequences" post than I had total since I signed up for the site. This must be SoCal, leftists don't like consequences. :) :) :) Maybe instead of denying them playdowns CAHA should fund a Rehabilitation program. ;)
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How does the moderator only have three face washes? I get one every time I post :'(
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Hypocrisy seems to be in fashion. I as far as I know, there are two Bantam teams that have the same issue with PDR. As Wave 2. Why are they still going to the post season ? Could it be that they are charter members of "The good old boys club" ? If some of you posting think things like this doesn't happen every year in possible YOUR club, you are kidding youself. If you look at who "pushed" for this inquire and who benefited here would most likely be our answer. I know rules are rules. There just needs to be a level playing field.
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Didn't they change the rules back for next year to 25% PDR. Kinda bullshit how they change it for one season and penalize some teams and then change it back! Oops our bad...
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Can anybody recommend a good therapist? 4 more facewashes. My self esteem is going all to hell. I might have to start a new account and post some butterflies and unicorns to bump up the stick taps and feel better about myself. Too funny, I don't even have a dog in the fight. My son is not a PW.
Administrator: Can we please stop keeping score on Stick Tap vs Face Wash please? Everyone's a winner here on Calhockey. ;D ;D ;D
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Hypocrisy seems to be in fashion. I as far as I know, there are two Bantam teams that have the same issue with PDR. As Wave 2. Why are they still going to the post season ? Could it be that they are charter members of "The good old boys club" ? If some of you posting think things like this doesn't happen every year in possible YOUR club, you are kidding youself. If you look at who "pushed" for this inquire and who benefited here would most likely be our answer. I know rules are rules. There just needs to be a level playing field.
OK let’s hear it. Who are the Bantam teams? I’m a believer in the rules and if other teams are cheating provide the facts. The “rumors†(I say rumors because I’m not privy to the facts) on this team are in and I haven’t seen anything to dispute that one of their kids who helped them meet PDR on the number quit well before the deadline and was harassed because of it. The Team found an ex-Wave replacement kid who had quit hockey and didn’t want to play anymore but the parents “supposedly†paid dues anyway and the kid who really didn’t want to play didn’t show up more than a few times and when he didn’t, they put him on the game sheets anyway and signed that he was there.
The facts on the Bantam A3 team is that a coach was given a SS violation that was very serious and could have put kids in real danger. Punishment was not coaching for a year at a certain club (who takes SS violations seriously) and instead of biting the bullet and doing his time, he decides to take his whole team somewhere else. Now they're doing the same score sheet business. The worst part is that the Club they go to has $$ on their mind and takes in these coaches and kids and now the aftermath.
The point is, if coaches think they’re going to jump to other clubs and take large amounts of players with them, they will be looked at very closely by those other clubs. I’m not a part of the Ice Dogs or the Ducks, but if I was management in those organizations, and one of these two coaches took off with what is akin to trade secrets or intellectual property or a non-compete clause in business, then yes, I would go after them too. That’s why they put PDR and Block Recruiting Rules in place to begin with. There have been plenty of coaches who have switched clubs and done it the right way. Sure, the club they left may not have been happy and some players may have followed, but the coaches followed the rules because they knew they’d be under a microscope.
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How do you call out parents if we cannot use numbers or names?
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You just have to trace their history of ice house to ice house and petty much everyone will figure it out. That's how I did and once the math added up I couldn't help but shake my head (except of course for you guys having to deal with it now). Someone made comment that the next stop is the BF house and Ill place money on that one. That's going to be the place where they will hear those magical words "Your kid is every bit the star you think he/she is and we are goona show the world just how right you were"..
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Did someone say Shit Show?
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Did someone say Shit Show?
Hockey in California.
Once this season is over only 4 seasons left until my son ages out.
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every single one of you will be miss the shit show when your kids are all grown up. I guarantee it!
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every single one of you will be miss the shit show when your kids are all grown up. I guarantee it!
When you hear the term Shit show understand it refers to Wildcat hockey and their tourneys. If you want to use the term feel free but use it right. No one is missing the shit show.
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every single one of you will be miss the shit show when your kids are all grown up. I guarantee it!
When you hear the term Shit show understand it refers to Wildcat hockey and their tourneys. If you want to use the term feel free but use it right. No one is missing the shit show.
Thanks Piston for clarifying that for the newbies. Shit Show is a registered trademark of the WC program and has been for around 5 years, when BF started his unique approach to youth hockey. Though a few other clubs try to imitate it, no one else has duplicated it. Or dares.
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The coach for the Wave 2 is a great guy who looked out for every player on his team. F you all and anyone who says any different. This goes for goalies and un-happy cowards or defense men
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Ill stick tap that.
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And in fact I will even add that the OC PW coaching staff (all of them) are good dudes too. It was just such an enjoyable year with good team cohesion and zero drama ZERO!! I mean everywhere I turned I saw adults acting like adults and a lot less foul language.
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And in fact I will even add that the OC PW coaching staff (all of them) are good dudes too. It was just such an enjoyable year with good team cohesion and zero drama ZERO!! I mean everywhere I turned I saw adults acting like adults and a lot less foul language.
So what your saying, to clarify, is that the same people that were the malignancy at the Wave were the melanoma at OC??
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The coach for the Wave 2 is a great guy who looked out for every player on his team. F you all and anyone who says any different. This goes for goalies and un-happy cowards or defense men
And now you're taking your kid and heading to the complete opposite. Good luck with that!
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And in fact I will even add that the OC PW coaching staff (all of them) are good dudes too. It was just such an enjoyable year with good team cohesion and zero drama ZERO!! I mean everywhere I turned I saw adults acting like adults and a lot less foul language.
So what your saying, to clarify, is that the same people that were the malignancy at the Wave were the melanoma at OC??
One of them, yes.
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The coach for the Wave 2 is a great guy who looked out for every player on his team. F you all and anyone who says any different. This goes for goalies and un-happy cowards or defense men
And now you're taking your kid and heading to the complete opposite. Good luck with that!
I have heard both good things and bad things about that coach. Some of the past endeavors make you raise an eyebrow.