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Hockey Discussions => Peewee Hockey => Topic started by: hockeyrules on February 14, 2017, 05:16:24 AM
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How much has your team managers collected for tournements and coaches fees ect. $23,000 for 2 local in town tournys and 3 out of state and play downs. How about $1300.00 or so for the 3 coaches to pay for gifts ?
Is it standard practice for team managers to refuse to show team parents (proof) or actual reciepts for the money that has been spent ?
Was just curious if this is normal. Thanks
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3 out of state tournaments
Flights
Hotels
Rent a car
Food
Coaches fees
2 local tournaments
Extra Ice time
$1,300 per person extra does not seem like anyone is getting rich of this. 🤑
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How much has your team managers collected for tournements and coaches fees ect. $23,000 for 2 local in town tournys and 3 out of state and play downs. How about $1300.00 or so for the 3 coaches to pay for gifts ?
Is it standard practice for team managers to refuse to show team parents (proof) or actual reciepts for the money that has been spent ?
Was just curious if this is normal. Thanks
All teams managers are required to show ALL parents where the money is going. My wife/I have been managing myr younger sons team for a few years and is a pretty thankless job. We do it because we want our families to have the best experience possible. We all spend too much money in this great sport to have a bad experience. Some parents don't get it. Thinking their kid is going strait to Div 1 school and then the NHL. Some people just want their kids to enjoy their youth hockey days yo have fun and build a strong character foundation. Now we ALL want our kids to get better, there are just different philosophies on how to do it. That's where the problems come in. People don't get their way and the shit hits the fan. The fact that you are basically throwing a temper tantrum with your two posts, tells me that more than likely one of those PAIN IN THE ASS parents that A) Think their kid is better than he is. B) Away saying it's some one else fault (because it COULDN'T be my little Johnny that's a head case).
Would be surprised if you still even on a team. Poor kid.........he's doomed !!
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Our team budget it pushing $28,000 this season depending on if the boys make it to States. 2 out of state tournaments, 3 local tournaments, Caha weekends, Playdowns and an extra half a sheet of ice a week. Manager should have an estimated budget at the beginning of the year and a the budget should be shared with the parents throughout the year.
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I wish it was as simple as me throwing a temper tantrum. The thankless job of managing a team is not new to my family, we have had the pleasure a few times.
It can be and had been trying at times however the love of the game and our kids made it worth while.
The "THANKLESS JOB" part is blown out you want thanks your in it for the wrong reason. When your collecting cash from parents they have a right to know the details, is it to much to ask for bank statements and recepits ? Shouldnt be if there is nothing to hide right?
AS YOU stated there are rules to being a manager so it should be easy to have Caha, scaha , usa hockey or anyone in a position of authority in these matters to help out .Well I truly hope you never have to deal with the chain of command and the bullshit excuses and passing of the so called buck.
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I wish it was as simple as me throwing a temper tantrum. The thankless job of managing a team is not new to my family, we have had the pleasure a few times.
It can be and had been trying at times however the love of the game and our kids made it worth while.
The "THANKLESS JOB" part is blown out you want thanks your in it for the wrong reason. When your collecting cash from parents they have a right to know the details, is it to much to ask for bank statements and recepits ? Shouldnt be if there is nothing to hide right?
AS YOU stated there are rules to being a manager so it should be easy to have Caha, scaha , usa hockey or anyone in a position of authority in these matters to help out .Well I truly hope you never have to deal with the chain of command and the bullshit excuses and passing of the so called buck.
I sure it was not a pleasure for the rest of your teammates. If you were a team manager before you should have know the cost already. As of right now it looks like you owe another $5,000.
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So $23,000 is standard issue for peewee AA ? It was a question yet noone has given a response to that ! Just your smart ass responses.
As I said we are not new to this our 3rd year of travel.
AGAINST FORUM RULES I SAY AGAIN IS $23,000 + an avg amount for extra team dues ? Outside your club fees? Thank you area 51 i appreciate the info.
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I have to agree..I think it was nothing more than a question wasn't it? Maybe two questions? Anyway, 1300 is a bit high but looks like you paid for another coach also so that can be the difference right there. Midget AAA was about a grand but that was for two coaches and not at every tourney (4 out of state). The manager was solid and provided perfect spread sheet. Did a great job.
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So $23,000 is standard issue for peewee AA ? It was a question yet noone has given a response to that ! Just your smart ass responses.
As I said we are not new to this our 3rd year of travel.
AGAINST FORUM RULES I SAY AGAIN IS $23,000 + an avg amount for extra team dues ? Outside your club fees? Thank you area 51 i appreciate the info.
Nationally, a low percentage of players ever make it to tier. For some reason, California seems to have a bunch of teams at tier 2 and then very few options at tier 1 (why I do not understand but that is a different thread). You opted for this opportunity for your son or daughter and this is California. Buyer beware when you sign, lots of things aren't fair in youth sports and especially youth hockey.
With all those flights, the season certainly must have been an expensive one. Yes, you deserve to know how the money is spent. But it seems to me that you got a pretty good deal for all that stuff. I think our family paid about $1300 in extras last year and we didn't do half that amount of stuff.
It isn't easy being a team manager. It can be a miserable job. Ask national champion youth coaches and many will tell you that they wouldn't have done it without their team manager keeping families focussed on the big picture and what is important.
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So $23,000 is standard issue for peewee AA ? It was a question yet noone has given a response to that ! Just your smart ass responses.
As I said we are not new to this our 3rd year of travel.
AGAINST FORUM RULES I SAY AGAIN IS $23,000 + an avg amount for extra team dues ? Outside your club fees? Thank you area 51 i appreciate the info.
Area 51 started that their dues were pushing $28k. That sounds like an answer to me.
Maybe it's just not the answer you wanted.
I'll refer to the last half of my first post.
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The $1300+ was the amount collected and given in gifts for the coaches. Its not to much to ask for verification on expenses is it not microsoft word spread sheets with appox. Costs for tournrys played last year. Thanks for all your responses i appreciate it . As i stated in another post this team we were part of is in play downs . My player made the choice not to participate!
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The manager should give you a breakdown on the expenses. A spreadsheet is NOTHING to make. It IS a lot of money to spend, and you should know where it goes. I've heard it's required of managers, but I've never noticed it in print. To me, it's common sense so never sought it out in guidelines. Parents have a right to know where there money is spent, it's a f-load of money. Sounds like $23K acceptable, but the manager needs to let you know where the money goes. $1300 for coaches gifts times number of kids divided by number of coaches sounds like a lot, but could be acceptable if mgr broke down expenses[/size]. Most managers get the crap end of the stick and pay out of pocket too many times but, when we're throwing out $23K+ on our little 12Us, we want to know where the money goes. That said, I've only had 1 other manager do that for the team. It just depends on your manager and team as to whether that's acceptable for you. I think you took a lot of crap for your posts because of way they came out, but both posts were valid questions IMO.
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I would not want too be a team manager. At the beginning of our season we had one Dumb Crap mother actually cursed out our manager in a team meeting. Needless to say she never came around much after that. This lady was completely Off her meds (obviously not a Jr King mom because they can afford the good stuff). My piont is our team manager was great and gave us spread sheet telling us where all the money went and she was still treated poorly. I guess you cannot please everyone.
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An extra 23K split between the team sounds reasonable. A hockey can be around 20K with 3-4 tournaments, SCAHA and CAHA playoffs so, 23K sounds like a deal for AA. That said the team manager should always be able to provided documentation regarding where the money has gone. In fact, they should provide a monthly statement
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
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Yes, $1300 for coaches xmas gifts is ludicrous unless the coaches are giving expensive gifts back. They're already getting paid plenty and hockey is expensive enough. Our team just does individual gifts if they want to and most who do, give a small gift card, a bottle of this or that, but not mandatory $1300. That's like my fellow employees and I being told we have to get our boss some super expensive xmas gift. Not gonna happen...
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The $1300+ was the amount collected and given in gifts for the coaches. Its not to much to ask for verification on expenses is it not microsoft word spread sheets with appox. Costs for tournrys played last year. Thanks for all your responses i appreciate it . As i stated in another post this team we were part of is in play downs . My player made the choice not to participate!
That is to bad, I have older kids and you will find the play downs are not always guaranteed so you don't want to miss them when you get there.
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Team funds: $23,000 / $1,353 per player (17 player roster)
Approx. tournament cost: $1,700 per team x (5) tournaments = $8,500
(3) Coaches x (3) out of state tournaments flights using $400 avg. cost = $3,600
(3) Coaches x (3) hotel rooms at an avg. cost of $600 = $5,400
(3) Out of state tournaments - rental car for the coaches, assuming they only need one standard car = $500
(3) Coaches paid $50 per day for food x (3) tournaments which are (3) days each = $1,350
Total above: $19,350
Remaining balance: $3,650
Assuming the cost for practice ice is $350 per hour, your remaining balance would cover about 10 extra practices.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask your team manager to keep receipts and an expense sheet. I suggest you ask your club what their rules are regarding this issue and if none exists propose that they create the rule/guideline that the teams must follow.
Every club is managed differently. How much are your club fees? Do you know what that money pays for? It’s not uncommon for families to pay for play-downs and state championships. Some clubs will pay for all or some of the play-downs/championships fees out of their general funds. Are your coaches paid or are they volunteers? $1,300 for coach’s gifts for (3) coaches works out to $75 per family and $25 per coach from each family. If your coaches are not paid, I don’t think this is unreasonable. If they are paid, then I do think this is a lot of money for a gift.
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Team funds: $23,000 / $1,353 per player (17 player roster)
Approx. tournament cost: $1,700 per team x (5) tournaments = $8,500
(3) Coaches x (3) out of state tournaments flights using $400 avg. cost = $3,600
(3) Coaches x (3) hotel rooms at an avg. cost of $600 = $5,400
(3) Out of state tournaments - rental car for the coaches, assuming they only need one standard car = $500
(3) Coaches paid $50 per day for food x (3) tournaments which are (3) days each = $1,350
Total above: $19,350
Remaining balance: $3,650
Assuming the cost for practice ice is $350 per hour, your remaining balance would cover about 10 extra practices.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask your team manager to keep receipts and an expense sheet. I suggest you ask your club what their rules are regarding this issue and if none exists propose that they create the rule/guideline that the teams must follow.
Every club is managed differently. How much are your club fees? Do you know what that money pays for? It’s not uncommon for families to pay for play-downs and state championships. Some clubs will pay for all or some of the play-downs/championships fees out of their general funds. Are your coaches paid or are they volunteers? $1,300 for coach’s gifts for (3) coaches works out to $75 per family and $25 per coach from each family. If your coaches are not paid, I don’t think this is unreasonable. If they are paid, then I do think this is a lot of money for a gift.
Another thing to consider is the manager (usually a kids Mom or Dad) may get a stipend, which can burn up a few more bucks of team fund. Also, one year at State tourney our Club bought all the kids a sweatshirt with their # and all the names of team on back which was pretty cool.
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Team funds: $23,000 / $1,353 per player (17 player roster)
Approx. tournament cost: $1,700 per team x (5) tournaments = $8,500
(3) Coaches x (3) out of state tournaments flights using $400 avg. cost = $3,600
(3) Coaches x (3) hotel rooms at an avg. cost of $600 = $5,400
(3) Out of state tournaments - rental car for the coaches, assuming they only need one standard car = $500
(3) Coaches paid $50 per day for food x (3) tournaments which are (3) days each = $1,350
Total above: $19,350
Remaining balance: $3,650
Assuming the cost for practice ice is $350 per hour, your remaining balance would cover about 10 extra practices.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask your team manager to keep receipts and an expense sheet. I suggest you ask your club what their rules are regarding this issue and if none exists propose that they create the rule/guideline that the teams must follow.
Every club is managed differently. How much are your club fees? Do you know what that money pays for? It’s not uncommon for families to pay for play-downs and state championships. Some clubs will pay for all or some of the play-downs/championships fees out of their general funds. Are your coaches paid or are they volunteers? $1,300 for coach’s gifts for (3) coaches works out to $75 per family and $25 per coach from each family. If your coaches are not paid, I don’t think this is unreasonable. If they are paid, then I do think this is a lot of money for a gift]
Another thing to consider is the manager (usually a kids Mom or Dad) may get a stipend, which can burn up a few more bucks of team fund. Also, one year at State tourney our Club bought all the kids a sweatshirt with their # and all the names of team on back which was pretty cool.
Killer of goose.
My wife and I. Have managed our 07s team for 4 years. My 04 has played 6 years. We have never taken nor expected a stepid ($$). Being a manager, as been said previously a is a very tough job. Trying to balance egos/expectations of parents with different personalities (at least 25% needs to be on meds) is a daunting task. That being said, I don't know of one manager/parent coach getting compensation. You club/team may be different. If your manager expects a stepid, I would think twice about being in that managers team. Might be a deeper problem,
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Another thing to consider is the manager (usually a kids Mom or Dad) may get a stipend, which can burn up a few more bucks of team fund. Also, one year at State tourney our Club bought all the kids a sweatshirt with their # and all the names of team on back which was pretty cool.
I've also never heard of a manager getting a stipend or other compensation - It's a thankless job. I guess if it's discussed ahead of time and agreed to by all parents that would be OK but maybe that's what was going on with this team since they were refusing to provide proof of where the money was going. I also heard that they had unqualified (could barely skate - beginner beer league hockey) Dads coaching that were getting paid and adding to the cost of tourneys and road trips. When it was brought to MLs attention, he agreed and they were removed. The minute ML left for THA, they returned to the ice and began being paid again. My son has been on teams with dad coaches who swung a gate, but they never got paid - even on the road. There are obviously some very qualified dad coaches which is a different story.
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I've managed for 5 years, and have never received a stipend or a discount, and, more often than not, have ended the season substantially out of pocket. Other teams, clubs or manages maybe different, but I have never heard of a manager getting a stipend or discount.
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I have managed teams for five years and have never received stipend, cut in fees, etc. and have only ever wound up on the short side, having to pay for the families who request photos, videos, meals, activities, etc. but forget to pay.
You likely have a treasurer in charge of the money, one unrelated to coaches or manager. This treasurer should share the budget and be able to address any questions.
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I have managed teams for five years and have never received stipend, cut in fees, etc. and have only ever wound up on the short side, having to pay for the families who request photos, videos, meals, activities, etc. but forget to pay.
You likely have a treasurer in charge of the money, one unrelated to coaches or manager. This treasurer should share the budget and be able to address any questions.
"Forget to pay".....classic.
A few years ago, our team did a few extra practices a month. Coach would not accept compensation for extra skate.
We would later take him to dinner/lunch as a token. Parent (that would always complain about $$) insinuated that he received too much $$ for the extra skate....... Dumb ass
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We had a parent a few years back that questioned why the team had to pay any money for the extra ice I took down at KHS because "ice at KHS is free"...
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Whoa... easy fellas, I just said "may" get compensated with some benefit. I have not managed a travel team, but I do volunteer and have helped for some off season tournaments as AC and with the binders and forms and did not expect or receive anything. But I have no idea what other teams do. And you all are correct, volunteering on your kids team in any manner is a thankless job that most don't understand.
signed: Goose Killer
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I think we're all curious which teams might compensate managers in some way ;D
I would never expect it.
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I have managed several times and have never received any type of stipend! I have been part of youth hockey for 10 plus years and not even at the Tier1 level have I heard of a manager getting a stipend.
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How much has your team managers collected for tournements and coaches fees ect. $23,000 for 2 local in town tournys and 3 out of state and play downs. How about $1300.00 or so for the 3 coaches to pay for gifts ? Is it standard practice for team managers to refuse to show team parents (proof) or actual reciepts for the money that has been spent ? Was just curious if this is normal. Thanks
I'm going to speak up here, I am over the bashing of the this team and fiances. So for the facts, not made up bull....
$1300.00 was not collected for coaches gifts. The team requested $50.00 per player, it was optional not mandatory. Families who appreciated the coaches and wanted to give back did. Not all contributed.
Whenever a parent requested to view the financials they were granted access. To be honest, only one parent requested to view them which they were given access. A liar and complainer called SAHA, CAHA, and the club reporting false accusations that they were denied access. All the books and receipts were submitted to the above entities for review. Fricking miracle they came back clean with the exception of missing funds from a fundraiser that was put on by a parent that of course quit the team mid-season. No receipts were provided for the missing funds.
To be clear, the coaches and managers all paid the same team dues. No one received a break, discount, or a stipend. With all the crap this team had to put up with they should have!!! All it did was make the remaining team members and families closer and support each other. It is really sad that three miserable families felt the need to attack and try to ruin this teams season and hurt a group of kids. The kids are innocent yet you felt the need to attack them in your stupid pathetic posts and complaints to to CAHA, SCHA, and the club. Maybe you should get a life outside youth hockey!
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
What does a season cost in CO?
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
What does a season cost in CO?
Only some of the clubs charge extra for making playoffs. Some of the clubs in CA are really only worried about making money.
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
What does a season cost in CO?
Only some of the clubs charge extra for making playoffs. Some of the clubs in CA are really only worried about making money.
At the end of the day all clubs get you in the end, whether yo pay less up front and then have to pay for playoffs or more up front and it's included. Six of one half a dozen of the other!
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How much has your team managers collected for tournements and coaches fees ect. $23,000 for 2 local in town tournys and 3 out of state and play downs. How about $1300.00 or so for the 3 coaches to pay for gifts ? Is it standard practice for team managers to refuse to show team parents (proof) or actual reciepts for the money that has been spent ? Was just curious if this is normal. Thanks
I'm going to speak up here, I am over the bashing of the this team and fiances. So for the facts, not made up bull....
$1300.00 was not collected for coaches gifts. The team requested $50.00 per player, it was optional not mandatory. Families who appreciated the coaches and wanted to give back did. Not all contributed.
[font=verdana]Whenever a parent requested to view the financials they were granted access. To be honest, only one parent requested to view them which they were given access. A liar and complainer called SAHA, CAHA, and the club reporting false accusations that they were denied access. All the books and receipts were submitted to the above entities for review. Fricking miracle they came back clean with the exception of missing funds from a fundraiser that was put on by a parent that of course quit the team mid-season. No receipts were provided for the missing funds. [/font]
To be clear, the coaches and managers all paid the same team dues. No one received a break, discount, or a stipend. With all the crap this team had to put up with they should have!!! All it did was make the remaining team members and families closer and support each other. It is really sad that three miserable families felt the need to attack and try to ruin this teams season and hurt a group of kids. The kids are innocent yet you felt the need to attack them in your stupid pathetic posts and complaints to to CAHA, SCHA, and the club. Maybe you should get a life outside youth hockey!
To all who read this.....before getting into the season make sure it is clear a MONTHLY ledger is sent out to the whole team.....it stops all the BS!
My experience is, every year that it was run without 100% transparency this happens as the bench gets shorter or a parent disagrees with some of the decisions the coach/team is making.
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
What does a season cost in CO?
Only some of the clubs charge extra for making playoffs. Some of the clubs in CA are really only worried about making money.
At the end of the day all clubs get you in the end, whether yo pay less up front and then have to pay for playoffs or more up front and it's included. Six of one half a dozen of the other!
I hate to break it to you guys, but youth hockey is a BUSINESS. Just like all other travel youth sports. You can call it whatever you want. Do you work for free at your job ? Do you consider your pay "giving it " to your boss ? Fuck'n hypocrisy.....
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Clubs charge extra for playoffs because CAHA, SCAHA, and Norcal also have to charge the clubs for the ice, refs.
If your team makes playoffs, your practices run longer, so you pay the club for that extra ice and possibly, for the coaching.
The alternative: roll up that cost into each club's/team's dues.
Yeah.... as if the clubs and teams would want to pay for ice, coaching, refs they don't directly use? I don't think so.
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
What does a season cost in CO?
Only some of the clubs charge extra for making playoffs. Some of the clubs in CA are really only worried about making money.
At the end of the day all clubs get you in the end, whether yo pay less up front and then have to pay for playoffs or more up front and it's included. Six of one half a dozen of the other!
I hate to break it to you guys, but youth hockey is a BUSINESS. Just like all other travel youth sports. You can call it whatever you want. Do you work for free at your job ? Do you consider your pay "giving it " to your boss ? Fuck'n hypocrisy.....
We have allowed it to become a business. We need to write to our city officials to invest in ice rinks so that it can become a park and rec sport so it is more affordable like football, baseball, basketball, and soccer and get some volunteer dads instead of paid dads. Just think instead of buying a basketball gymnasium the city could build a city ice rink.
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
What does a season cost in CO?
Only some of the clubs charge extra for making playoffs. Some of the clubs in CA are really only worried about making money.
At the end of the day all clubs get you in the end, whether yo pay less up front and then have to pay for playoffs or more up front and it's included. Six of one half a dozen of the other!
I hate to break it to you guys, but youth hockey is a BUSINESS. Just like all other travel youth sports. You can call it whatever you want. Do you work for free at your job ? Do you consider your pay "giving it " to your boss ? Fuck'n hypocrisy.....
There is a difference between paying all the bills, paying for ice time, paying a reasonable wage to all evolved and trying to make as much as possible. Youth hockey should not be treated as a traditional business which is to charge as much for your product as people will pay. All clubs should be a non profit. The ones that are not are the ones ripping people off...
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
What does a season cost in CO?
Only some of the clubs charge extra for making playoffs. Some of the clubs in CA are really only worried about making money.
At the end of the day all clubs get you in the end, whether yo pay less up front and then have to pay for playoffs or more up front and it's included. Six of one half a dozen of the other!
I hate to break it to you guys, but youth hockey is a BUSINESS. Just like all other travel youth sports. You can call it whatever you want. Do you work for free at your job ? Do you consider your pay "giving it " to your boss ? Fuck'n hypocrisy.....
We have allowed it to become a business. We need to write to our city officials to invest in ice rinks so that it can become a park and rec sport so it is more affordable like football, baseball, basketball, and soccer and get some volunteer dads instead of paid dads. Just think instead of buying a basketball gymnasium the city could build a city ice rink.
Skates, you beeding heart Bernie lover. Yeh, that is a well spent apropreation of funds, socialized travel hockey.
Next your going to want your personalized EBT card to get your socialized Ding-Dongs.
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
What does a season cost in CO?
Only some of the clubs charge extra for making playoffs. Some of the clubs in CA are really only worried about making money.
At the end of the day all clubs get you in the end, whether yo pay less up front and then have to pay for playoffs or more up front and it's included. Six of one half a dozen of the other!
I hate to break it to you guys, but youth hockey is a BUSINESS. Just like all other travel youth sports. You can call it whatever you want. Do you work for free at your job ? Do you consider your pay "giving it " to your boss ? Fuck'n hypocrisy.....
We have allowed it to become a business. We need to write to our city officials to invest in ice rinks so that it can become a park and rec sport so it is more affordable like football, baseball, basketball, and soccer and get some volunteer dads instead of paid dads. Just think instead of buying a basketball gymnasium the city could build a city ice rink.
Skates, you beeding heart Bernie lover. Yeh, that is a well spent apropreation of funds, socialized travel hockey.
Next your going to want your personalized EBT card to get your socialized Ding-Dongs.
Love it! Why not? Our cities invest in many other sports and descriminates against hockey. They build huge gymnasiums. Thanks for the suggestion, I didn't know I could use an EBT card for my Ding Dongs. Great idea! I can't help that I am good at finding snitches! I still feel sorry for wildwinger's friend that just got back stabbed. Maybe that's why I am in detective work!
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My kids played 1 season in California (last season) and it blew my mind that clubs had to pay extra to participate in the playoffs and state tournament. We have lived in Alaska and Colorado and we have NEVER had to pay extra $$$ for making the top 8.
Thank god we moved back to Colorado and we are out of that bullshit ran system and almighty dollar based governing bodies.
What does a season cost in CO?
Only some of the clubs charge extra for making playoffs. Some of the clubs in CA are really only worried about making money.
At the end of the day all clubs get you in the end, whether yo pay less up front and then have to pay for playoffs or more up front and it's included. Six of one half a dozen of the other!
I hate to break it to you guys, but youth hockey is a BUSINESS. Just like all other travel youth sports. You can call it whatever you want. Do you work for free at your job ? Do you consider your pay "giving it " to your boss ? Fuck'n hypocrisy.....
We have allowed it to become a business. We need to write to our city officials to invest in ice rinks so that it can become a park and rec sport so it is more affordable like football, baseball, basketball, and soccer and get some volunteer dads instead of paid dads. Just think instead of buying a basketball gymnasium the city could build a city ice rink.
Skates, you beeding heart Bernie lover. Yeh, that is a well spent apropreation of funds, socialized travel hockey.
Next your going to want your personalized EBT card to get your socialized Ding-Dongs.
LMFAO