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Title: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: uggs on March 09, 2017, 07:48:56 PM
While everyone is preoccupied with playoffs, Wave announced today that the Ontario rink will no longer be Wave, but will be a new club, the Empire Hockey Club, starting with the 2017-2018 season.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: trans4761 on March 09, 2017, 08:58:58 PM
SWEET !!!!


If the Ducks were able to use a loophole with the Ducks/OC, so can a smaller club.  For those who don't know, that means that there can be 4 tier teams instead of 2.


Good move !!
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: MO-ICETIME on March 09, 2017, 10:35:04 PM
So the question is... Will the Eagles PeeWee A team all flock to the new club for AA or stay at PeeWee A again?
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Deuce on March 10, 2017, 12:19:08 AM
Per a Facebook page called Empire Hockey Club it looks like this is the logo.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: MO-ICETIME on March 10, 2017, 12:39:32 AM
Per a Facebook page called Empire Hockey Club it looks like this is the logo.
Damn... that looks sweet!!!
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: 6607 on March 10, 2017, 06:28:12 AM
We have been hearing rumors for awhile that Eagles PWA was going AA.  I'm guessing this is how they will be able to do it.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: trans4761 on March 10, 2017, 06:45:22 AM
We have been hearing rumors for awhile that Eagles PWA was going AA.  I'm guessing this is how they will be able to do it.
Different club....they would have PDR issues, unless rules are changed.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Wildwinger on March 10, 2017, 06:56:04 AM
Same Wave coaches or are they bringing in new ones??????????????  sweet looking logo............
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Deuce on March 10, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
Same Wave coaches, just different jerseys and club name.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Ziegler on March 10, 2017, 08:22:49 AM
And we all know how versed those Wave coaches are with PDR and CAHA rules. 20 bucks says this soemthing gets messed up big time and those parents are elft scratching their heads.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: MO-ICETIME on March 10, 2017, 08:37:53 AM
Well, they have made is pretty easy for next year! 25% is easy! LOL!
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Pistonkev on March 10, 2017, 08:49:56 AM
The logo is actually better then the Vegas Knights logo. 
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: #4BobbyOrr on March 10, 2017, 08:55:58 AM
I had heard they were going to become the Jr. Reign
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: DD on March 10, 2017, 09:24:04 AM
Ontario Wave parent here.... super excited about this change ;D
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: 6607 on March 10, 2017, 09:30:02 AM
Did they get a waiver of the clock recruitment rule?
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on March 10, 2017, 09:43:36 AM
and the Riptide STILL cant find a new barn to play in...
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: MO-ICETIME on March 10, 2017, 10:08:30 AM
Did they get a waiver of the clock recruitment rule?


They really wouldn't need a waiver with the PDR only being at 25%; the Club just needs to get creative and mix teams up a bit to fill with 3-4 kids for their roster, but seriously doubt any waiver will be granted. Their is no reason to really; It's not like the Riptide situation.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: uggs on March 10, 2017, 10:12:59 AM
And we all know how versed those Wave coaches are with PDR and CAHA rules. 20 bucks says this soemthing gets messed up big time and those parents are elft scratching their heads.
The coaches you speak of are Artesia wave, NOT Ontario Wave.  Big difference.  I believe the push for this split came when a team moving up to Peewee AA out of Ontario was told, just weeks before tryouts, that Artesia would get the two AA teams.  Ontario players were left to scramble for new teams. This move takes care of that problem.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: 6607 on March 10, 2017, 10:25:46 AM
I think they need a waiver because a new club, by definition, could not meet PDR (unless there is a rule that covers this specific situation).  Don't they need (and I assume got) SCAHA/CAHA to formally say that kids who played for Wave out of Ontario this season count towards the new club's PDR and that and that contact with Wave kids out of Ontario will not be treated as recruitment?

A/B playoffs have not even started but silly season just got off to a roaring start.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Deuce on March 10, 2017, 10:27:19 AM
And we all know how versed those Wave coaches are with PDR and CAHA rules. 20 bucks says this soemthing gets messed up big time and those parents are elft scratching their heads.
The coaches you speak of are Artesia wave, NOT Ontario Wave.  Big difference.  I believe the push for this split came when a team moving up to Peewee AA out of Ontario was told, just weeks before tryouts, that Artesia would get the two AA teams.  Ontario players were left to scramble for new teams. This move takes care of that problem.


Nailed it!


"Another key reason for the split is to allow both clubs to field more high-level teams.  CAHA rules allow for each club to have only two AA teams per age group. Because the Wave already has AA teams playing out of Artesia, this rule could limit the Ontario rinks’ ability to offer AA teams to its families.  With the creation of EHC, each location can now offer its families the opportunity to play on a AA team."
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: SkatingDad on March 10, 2017, 10:30:12 AM
I think they need a waiver because a new club, by definition, could not meet PDR (unless there is a rule that covers this specific situation).  Don't they need (and I assume got) SCAHA/CAHA to formally say that kids who played for Wave out of Ontario this season count towards the new club's PDR and that and that contact with Wave kids out of Ontario will not be treated as recruitment?

A/B playoffs have not even started but silly season just got off to a roaring start.


Ex Wave players will count towards PDR for this year.  That is usually how they do this when the club changes or gets taken over.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Wildwinger on March 10, 2017, 10:49:14 AM
Same Wave coaches, just different jerseys and club name.


Thats too bad
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Deuce on March 10, 2017, 10:52:53 AM
Same Wave coaches, just different jerseys and club name.


Thats too bad


Why all the hate for the Ontario chapter of the Wave coaches?
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: trans4761 on March 10, 2017, 11:48:35 AM
We have been hearing rumors for awhile that Eagles PWA was going AA.  I'm guessing this is how they will be able to do it.
With JK/JD/JG pretty much controlling Tier 1, that means there will be a large amount of talented PW AA players in their major year.  If any of you think that you 'lil Gretzkys SqA team can make the two level jump and dominate, I believe you are high. What would be better, play PWA, do well and everyone has fun and be able to recruit quality kids ( see WAVE Bantam A) OR play PWAA, get your asses kicked, have parents bitching all year and have no one want to play on your team in your major year ?
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Pistonkev on March 10, 2017, 11:51:03 AM
Might want to check CAHA rule 6.2. It states that a new organization that plays AA is not playoff eligible. Maybe they will find a loop hole.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: #4BobbyOrr on March 10, 2017, 02:58:57 PM
We have been hearing rumors for awhile that Eagles PWA was going AA.  I'm guessing this is how they will be able to do it.
With JK/JD/JG pretty much controlling Tier 1, that means there will be a large amount of talented PW AA players in their major year.  If any of you think that you 'lil Gretzkys SqA team can make the two level jump and dominate, I believe you are high. What would be better, play PWA, do well and everyone has fun and be able to recruit quality kids ( see WAVE Bantam A) OR play PWAA, get your asses kicked, have parents bitching all year and have no one want to play on your team in your major year ?


JD 06's made the jump from squirt A and made the playoffs in AA. JD 05's did too. JK 05's played AA and came up short of the playoffs but were middle of the pack.  JK 03's played A and went 16-0 and won every game by an average score of 10-1.  Think they wished they went AA?  Think their pw A opponents wish they went AA?
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: MO-ICETIME on March 10, 2017, 06:26:46 PM
We have been hearing rumors for awhile that Eagles PWA was going AA.  I'm guessing this is how they will be able to do it.
With JK/JD/JG pretty much controlling Tier 1, that means there will be a large amount of talented PW AA players in their major year.  If any of you think that you 'lil Gretzkys SqA team can make the two level jump and dominate, I believe you are high. What would be better, play PWA, do well and everyone has fun and be able to recruit quality kids ( see WAVE Bantam A) OR play PWAA, get your asses kicked, have parents bitching all year and have no one want to play on your team in your major year ?


JD 06's made the jump from squirt A and made the playoffs in AA. JD 05's did too. JK 05's played AA and came up short of the playoffs but were middle of the pack.  JK 03's played A and went 16-0 and won every game by an average score of 10-1.  Think they wished they went AA?  Think their pw A opponents wish they went AA?


Those where exceptional teams and now nationally ranked.. hardly the standard but more like an exception. I don't see any of these new lil up and comers hitting those standards.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: trans4761 on March 10, 2017, 07:25:50 PM
We have been hearing rumors for awhile that Eagles PWA was going AA.  I'm guessing this is how they will be able to do it.
With JK/JD/JG pretty much controlling Tier 1, that means there will be a large amount of talented PW AA players in their major year.  If any of you think that you 'lil Gretzkys SqA team can make the two level jump and dominate, I believe you are high. What would be better, play PWA, do well and everyone has fun and be able to recruit quality kids ( see WAVE Bantam A) OR play PWAA, get your asses kicked, have parents bitching all year and have no one want to play on your team in your major year ?


JD 06's made the jump from squirt A and made the playoffs in AA. JD 05's did too. JK 05's played AA and came up short of the playoffs but were middle of the pack.  JK 03's played A and went 16-0 and won every game by an average score of 10-1.  Think they wished they went AA?  Think their pw A opponents wish they went AA?


Those where exceptional teams and now nationally ranked.. hardly the standard but more like an exception. I don't see any of these newill up and comers hitting those standards.
Mo hit the nail on the head.


Sorry to burst your bubble B.O.


I've seen some of the top teams in Sq A (including yours) and even though they have SOME kids that are MAYBE of that caliber, most are not of the above mentioned teams level. Not to say they won't develop, they just haven't developed yet.  Some kids develop later...
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Kangaroo Jack on March 10, 2017, 08:20:06 PM
Way to crap on that parade :o
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Crash on March 11, 2017, 06:21:12 AM
the whole thing with "clock" recruitment is the timing. :D
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Deuce on March 11, 2017, 06:50:40 AM
Here are the jersey renderings.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: Deuce on March 11, 2017, 06:51:45 AM
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Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: coachbombay on March 11, 2017, 08:40:15 AM
you guys should just brought the stars back
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: uggs on March 11, 2017, 08:55:55 AM
Those look pretty nice, actually. I'm impressed.
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: area51 on March 11, 2017, 06:37:24 PM
Jerseys are sick! moving my boy to the IE!
Title: Re: New Club out of Ontario
Post by: 4minuteminor on March 14, 2017, 12:43:28 AM
you guys should just brought the stars back


Seconded.