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Title: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on August 10, 2017, 11:43:57 AM
Lets see how this goes...not sure who will land where but I would expect it to be a battle between the 03's this year.


What are your predictions/expectations?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 10, 2017, 12:28:31 PM
Well Bears won state in Batman AA last year and have kids returning.

The Wada wave 04 team won state in Pee Wee AA last year and they all move up.

Seems like two top teams?

Sharks have an all 03 team and GSE pretty much 03 too.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on August 10, 2017, 01:43:28 PM
Rumor is that Valencia Flyers, the new Empire Hockey Club and Ducks team should be strong contenders too. The Ducks are predominantly an 03 team as are the EHC teams, not sure of the returning players for the flyers.


The Bears and GSE should be in the top bracket since they should be leading the pack...not too sure that Wada Wave will be a strong contender in this division since it is their first year in Bantam and heard that they lost a few players.


Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on August 10, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
Well Bears won state in Batman AA last year and have kids returning.

The Wada wave 04 team won state in Pee Wee AA last year and they all move up.

Seems like two top teams?

Sharks have an all 03 team and GSE pretty much 03 too.


The top flight teams will most likely be 03 heavy teams.
Ducks 03 , Da Bears, Empire, GSE, Sharks and possibly Valencia.


Expect WW to not be s factor early on.  Possibly squeek into the 8th spot.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on August 10, 2017, 03:32:28 PM
not too sure that Wada Wave will be a strong contender in this division since it is their first year in Bantam and heard that they lost a few players.

Wada Wave's 2 lost players were replaced by 3 other kids that aren't exactly chopped liver... so I'd expect them to be competitive but Bantam AA's top flight will likely consist of 03 heavy teams, which is to be expected. With some luck, Wada's team should squeeze into lower top flight territory.

Curious to know if there are any other pure 04 Bantam AA teams like Wada Wave or Lektrop's Kings this year?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on August 10, 2017, 03:58:44 PM
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[/size][size=0px]Think the Jr Kings and Wada Wave are the only pure 04 teams that I have heard of.[/size][size=0px]
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rosetta on August 10, 2017, 04:24:06 PM
Empire is the team to beat this year. Most are returning players from last years AA playdown team. OC03 should be strong too.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on August 10, 2017, 06:47:07 PM
Bears and Empire are going to be top dogs...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 10, 2017, 10:20:42 PM
Empire is the team to beat this year. Most are returning players from last years AA playdown team. OC03 should be strong too.


So what Empire team are you talking about that made play downs last year?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on August 11, 2017, 05:49:24 AM

Empire only has 6-7 returning players but has picked up three 03 players (1 F, 1D, & 1G). Most likely Bears, Sharks, Blackhawks, GSE to be top 4.


I would say GSE, Blackhawks, Sharks from Nor Cal. JK, JD, OC, Empire, Bears would be my top eight. Don't know much about Valencia.


I don't see either wave, 04 JK2, 04 JD2, 04 OC2, Reign, Saints, Mariners, GSE2 making the top eight.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rosetta on August 11, 2017, 08:53:27 AM
Thanks to the clarification. Heard the wave AA team last year were mostly 03s. They were an impressive group with size and speed. My bad.



Empire only has 6-7 returning players but has picked up three 03 players (1 F, 1D, & 1G). Most likely Bears, Sharks, Blackhawks, GSE to be top 4.


I would say GSE, Blackhawks, Sharks from Nor Cal. JK, JD, OC, Empire, Bears would be my top eight. Don't know much about Valencia.


I don't see either wave, 04 JK2, 04 JD2, 04 OC2, Reign, Saints, Mariners, GSE2 making the top eight.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on August 14, 2017, 11:29:15 AM
not too sure that Wada Wave will be a strong contender in this division since it is their first year in Bantam and heard that they lost a few players.

Wada Wave's 2 lost players were replaced by 3 other kids that aren't exactly chopped liver... so I'd expect them to be competitive but Bantam AA's top flight will likely consist of 03 heavy teams, which is to be expected. With some luck, Wada's team should squeeze into lower top flight territory.

Curious to know if there are any other pure 04 Bantam AA teams like Wada Wave or Lektrop's Kings this year?


Bickleys OC2 team is all 04 with the exception of 3 players.



Bicks team played Wada's spring team, Angry Eskimos. Bicks and his 9parents have NEVER beaten any of the teams, I think that's really what the issue is.  Ref was a Bicks crony..  But it is what it is. Lines were crossed.


wchp (buy a vowel), take your ass kickings like you always have and come over and have a beer. :-*

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 15, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
Question came up and I'd love to hear all of your opinions..


If your team does not make the upper flight... will you ask for a release?


I myself wouldn't,   but I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on August 15, 2017, 08:34:32 PM
If your team does not make the upper flight... will you ask for a release?


Nah, we are committed, upper or lower flight, we roll with our team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on August 16, 2017, 08:20:46 AM
Question came up and I'd love to hear all of your opinions..


If your team does not make the upper flight... will you ask for a release?


I myself wouldn't,   but I'd love to hear your thoughts.


can you even do that?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on August 16, 2017, 08:53:33 AM
I predict that a parent on the Wada Wave will be ejected during the season.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 16, 2017, 09:13:51 AM
I predict that a parent on the Wada Wave will be ejected during the season.

 ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on August 16, 2017, 12:00:02 PM
Do you have intel to share Skating Dad?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fatfingerscanttext on August 16, 2017, 06:30:09 PM
I predict that a parent on the Wada Wave will be ejected during the season.
Why would you talk trash about the Wada Wave's parents. Are you mad that you aren't on that team? Shut your mouth.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 16, 2017, 08:44:24 PM
I predict that a parent on the Wada Wave will be ejected during the season.
Why would you talk trash about the Wada Wave's parents. Are you mad that you aren't on that team? Shut your mouth.


Great screen name.  ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on August 16, 2017, 09:34:21 PM
I predict that a parent on the Wada Wave will be ejected during the season.
Why would you talk trash about the Wada Wave's parents. Are you mad that you aren't on that team? Shut your mouth.


How could I be mad about not making a team that we never tried out for or wanted to be a part of? I apologize for upsetting you.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on August 16, 2017, 10:44:21 PM
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 17, 2017, 07:39:52 AM
Wada Wave parents are most likely to  BBQ in the parking before a game with cold drinks in their hands. From what I have seen a fun bunch overall.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on August 17, 2017, 08:15:36 AM
Wada Wave parents are most likely to  BBQ in the parking before a game with cold drinks in their hands. From what I have seen a fun bunch overall.
I second that.  We've scrimmaged them in the past and they are the only peeps I know of that properly use a tail gate....as a set up for a full bar.  Here's to the invent of adding a 110v outlet to the bed, for a blender of course!  ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on August 17, 2017, 08:16:17 AM
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊


No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on August 17, 2017, 08:20:28 AM
Hey, when there's mass quantities of alcohol involved it might be a safe bet.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on August 17, 2017, 09:50:55 AM
Wada Wave parents are most likely to  BBQ in the parking before a game with cold drinks in their hands. From what I have seen a fun bunch overall.
I second that.  We've scrimmaged them in the past and they are the only peeps I know of that properly use a tail gate....as a set up for a full bar.  Here's to the invent of adding a 110v outlet to the bed, for a blender of course!  ;D




I agree with the above...always very welcoming and never hesitate to offer you an invite to their tailgate. Food, drinks and all.  ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on August 17, 2017, 12:54:41 PM
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊


No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.


If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on August 17, 2017, 01:08:16 PM
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊


No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.


If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.


I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  I've seen people ejected for some really stupid reasons.  I apologize that it was believed I was attacking the team. That said, I have no intention of quitting my day job.

I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  That said I have no intention of quitting my day job.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on August 17, 2017, 01:33:46 PM
I wasn't at the game, and I dont think you were either, but I'm sure if there were many people upset, there may have been an issue. I'm am pretty sure that if your little Gretzky got ejected from a game, you would lose your mind. One play of a game delivers many opinions. Primarily who's side they are on determines objectivity of said opinion.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on August 17, 2017, 01:41:46 PM
I wasn't at the game, and I dont think you were either, but I'm sure if there were many people upset, there may have been an issue. I'm am pretty sure that if your little Gretzky got ejected from a game, you would lose your mind. One play of a game delivers many opinions. Primarily who's side they are on determines objectivity of said opinion.


I was not referencing a game. I'm not even sure what game you are referring. I was referencing parents not kids. Kids should never be referenced on this site.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on August 17, 2017, 02:13:34 PM
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊


No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.


If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.


I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  I've seen people ejected for some really stupid reasons.  I apologize that it was believed I was attacking the team. That said, I have no intention of quitting my day job.

I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  That said I have no intention of quitting my day job.


I pretty sure you referenced the ref ejecting someone and the people getting upset. Since these are not adults, narrows it down to who is getting ejected. The players should not be referenced,  it they sometimes are. Not the case here. I am pretty sure you would be highly upset and would display your opposing view
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on August 17, 2017, 02:31:48 PM
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊


No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.


If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.


I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  I've seen people ejected for some really stupid reasons.  I apologize that it was believed I was attacking the team. That said, I have no intention of quitting my day job.

I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  That said I have no intention of quitting my day job.


I pretty sure you referenced the ref ejecting someone and the people getting upset. Since these are not adults, narrows it down to who is getting ejected. The players should not be referenced,  it they sometimes are. Not the case here. I am pretty sure you would be highly upset and would display your opposing view


This is a prediction thread and I was making a joke prediction. This is not a serious site and is only used by most to pass the time.  It was only meant to start activity on the site.


I do not know what game you are referring... Maybe I should have done more research.  You seem to know who I am so, we can discuss in person if you like.  I assigned no blame in any of my comments and made no analyses of a situation. Believe it or not, there was no malicious intent. Again, I apologize for upsetting you and your team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on August 17, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊


No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.


If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.


I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  I've seen people ejected for some really stupid reasons.  I apologize that it was believed I was attacking the team. That said, I have no intention of quitting my day job.

I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  That said I have no intention of quitting my day job.


I pretty sure you referenced the ref ejecting someone and the people getting upset. Since these are not adults, narrows it down to who is getting ejected. The players should not be referenced,  it they sometimes are. Not the case here. I am pretty sure you would be highly upset and would display your opposing view


This is a prediction thread and I was making a joke prediction. This is not a serious site and is only used by most to pass the time.  It was only meant to start activity on the site.


I do not know what game you are referring... Maybe I should have done more research.  You seem to know who I am so, we can discuss in person if you like.  I assigned no blame in any of my comments and made no analyses of a situation. Believe it or not, there was no malicious intent. Again, I apologize for upsetting you and your team.
C C C C CAN'T WWEEEE.........C CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG.....??????
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on August 17, 2017, 02:53:05 PM
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊


No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.


If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.


I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  I've seen people ejected for some really stupid reasons.  I apologize that it was believed I was attacking the team. That said, I have no intention of quitting my day job.

I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job.  That said I have no intention of quitting my day job.


I pretty sure you referenced the ref ejecting someone and the people getting upset. Since these are not adults, narrows it down to who is getting ejected. The players should not be referenced,  it they sometimes are. Not the case here. I am pretty sure you would be highly upset and would display your opposing view


This is a prediction thread and I was making a joke prediction. This is not a serious site and is only used by most to pass the time.  It was only meant to start activity on the site.


I do not know what game you are referring... Maybe I should have done more research.  You seem to know who I am so, we can discuss in person if you like.  I assigned no blame in any of my comments and made no analyses of a situation. Believe it or not, there was no malicious intent. Again, I apologize for upsetting you and your team.


You obviously heard about an incident that happened and decided to comment on it. I don't know who you are,  it most of us know the type of guy you are. It almost sounds like you wished you were on that team. Next time something happens, it might be better to like Fatfingers said " Shut your mouth" instead of make a spectacle of yourself. I hope you have a good season.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on August 17, 2017, 02:56:04 PM
Are you frickin kidding me?  So much over-sensitivity.  This is the Bantam page.  It is assumed that if you are here, you've been around the 'youth hockey' block SEVERAL times.  Grow a set and learn not to take this site too seriously.  And by the way, although it is rare, parents do in fact get ejected from games by the referee.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on August 17, 2017, 03:24:40 PM
Are you frickin kidding me?  So much over-sensitivity.  This is the Bantam page.  It is assumed that if you are here, you've been around the 'youth hockey' block SEVERAL times.  Grow a set and learn not to take this site too seriously.  And by the way, although it is rare, parents do in fact get ejected from games by the referee.


Parents, Kids....even Coaches are not safe.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 17, 2017, 07:08:26 PM
AA scrimmages this weekend:


JD1 vs Kings 1 430 Saturday at Lakewood


OC1 vs Kings 1 8am Sunday Yorba Linda


Any others?  Post them and let us know how they go
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on August 18, 2017, 06:27:35 AM
Wada Wave is playing Empire Sunday morning. Not sure if they will have their tail gate early morning though. If they did, I will just go for their tail gate. Heard they used to bring a massage chair to their tail gates.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Bear71 on August 18, 2017, 09:41:32 AM
Wada Wave is playing Empire Sunday morning. Not sure if they will have their tail gate early morning though. If they did, I will just go for their tail gate. Heard they used to bring a massage chair to their tail gates.
They are bringing the chair back.  The kicked out parent will need some place to sit. ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on August 18, 2017, 12:23:16 PM
*Alternate Reality Picks*

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Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on August 18, 2017, 01:06:39 PM
*Alternate Reality Picks*

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Only with the help of a good slap shot.....even then barely. 😎
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on August 18, 2017, 01:39:40 PM
*Alternate Reality Picks*

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Only with the help of a good slap shot.....even then barely. 😎

Hahahaaha. Still Salty!!!

Just admit that your coaches game plan to hack-a-shaq a certain player backfired by focusing way too much energy on one kid. AND, he still scored the game winner...   ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on August 18, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
*Alternate Reality Picks*

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Only with the help of a good slap shot.....even then barely. 😎

Hahahaaha. Still Salty!!!

Just admit that your coaches game plan to hack-a-shaq a certain player backfired by focusing way too much energy on one kid. AND, he still scored the game winner...   ;) ;) ;)
Yep.
Was working too !
But it is what it is.
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Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on August 18, 2017, 02:12:41 PM
*Alternate Reality Picks*

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Only with the help of a good slap shot.....even then barely. 😎

Hahahaaha. Still Salty!!!

Just admit that your coaches game plan to hack-a-shaq a certain player backfired by focusing way too much energy on one kid. AND, he still scored the game winner...   ;) ;) ;)
You still sandbagging your kid in Colorado?  :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 19, 2017, 08:02:42 PM
Ducks 1 and Kings 1 tied 3-3 In a scrimmage today.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 19, 2017, 08:05:05 PM
Ducks 1 and Kings 1 tied 3-3 In a scrimmage today.


Thanks for the score, Any others?

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 20, 2017, 09:23:41 AM
OC (1) 5.. Kings (1) 4
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 20, 2017, 11:30:45 AM
Bears AA are playing Ducks AAA right now at Anaheim ice
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 20, 2017, 11:59:38 AM
Bears are absolutely owning the Ducks AAA.  4-0 after 1st
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 20, 2017, 01:07:51 PM
6-3 Bears,  final
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 20, 2017, 02:07:01 PM
6-3 Bears,  final


Darn is that the 04 Ducks or 03 Ducks? Still damn!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HM on August 20, 2017, 02:24:48 PM
Must be the 03 team. Ducks 04 played the Bears last weekend in a controlled scrimmage
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 20, 2017, 02:25:32 PM
6-3 Bears,  final





Darn is that the 04 Ducks or 03 Ducks? Still damn!


It was 03 AAA
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 20, 2017, 02:37:01 PM
6-3 Bears,  final





Darn is that the 04 Ducks or 03 Ducks? Still damn!


It was 03 AAA


Oh Snap! Bears > Everyone Else  :'(

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 20, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
Let's be honest though... Ducks are a weak AAA..  Bears looked
 Very good though
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on August 20, 2017, 03:46:06 PM
Let's be honest though... Ducks are a weak AAA..  Bears looked
 Very good though

Not trying to make any excuses for Ducks but I hear Bantam AAA Ducks were banged up from scrimmaging other AAA teams this weekend, with some new players and coach being out of town... Anyhow, good win for Bears and this pretty much confirms they're at the very least top 3 team to beat in AA...

Regarding Ducks Bantam AAA being a weak team, I think I have to disagree. They have arguably the 2 best Bantam AAA players in Socal and I know a new kid on that team who's fast and skilled as well. An off game perhaps?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 20, 2017, 04:45:56 PM
Word is that the AA Ducks coach was bragging that his team is better than the AAA team.  Also , supposedly,  there is a goalie and 1 or 2 other kids playing Ducks AA instead of AAA
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HM on August 20, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
I would agree with Teemu. The 03's are not a strong group nor do I think they have anyone close to the best Bantam AAA players in SoCal.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: hckyparent on August 20, 2017, 06:33:37 PM
Scrimmage at TSC today. JK1 (4) v. JK2 (3)

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 20, 2017, 07:05:22 PM
Ducks (1) beat Wave (1) 5-2. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on August 20, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
Empire beat Wada Wave 4-0.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on August 20, 2017, 09:04:48 PM

Ducks AAA 03 goalie is # US prospect for WHL Bantam draft for next year. One of Ducks AAA 03 forward attended USHL combine in July and was top 5-7 in one of the criteria. Another Ducks forward who commutes from Palm Springs, and was heavily recruited by Kings but didn't join Kings as he close to full if not full financial support from Ducks, is also considered one of the top US prospects for WHL.


Having said that, their defense is atrocious. They picked up a forward who played AA last year as a defensemen. Another defensemen looked like a cat on a hot tin roof when we watched Ducks 03 AAA play Kings 03 AAA during Carmen Starr.


In this case an argument can be made that they have 2-3 very good AAA players, they have gotten better than last year in the net and upfront but their D has gotten much worse and they will be very similar or worse than last year.






I would agree with Teemu. The 03's are not a strong group nor do I think they have anyone close to the best Bantam AAA players in SoCal.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on August 20, 2017, 09:17:55 PM

Word is that the AA Ducks coach was bragging that his team is better than the AAA team.  Also , supposedly,  there is a goalie and 1 or 2 other kids playing Ducks AA instead of AAA


One of our family friend's kid is playing JD AA. Here is what our friend had to say:


Not a single player returned from last year Ducks AA2 (which is supposedly AA1 this year).


The team has 5 forwards, one D, and a goalie that played Wave 3 Bantam A ( I know Crush will correct me they were AA and I agree that they were mid/low AA but they played A).

Better in goal as One of the last year AAA goalie didn't get picked this year so he had to play AA. It wasn't his first choice. The second goalie played Wave 3.


They (Wave 3) lost all their Defensemen except one. Top 3 of out of 4 left due to various reasons. They added 3-5 defensemen that have never played tier hockey. Two of them were picked to meet PDR (25%) and wouldn't make an 04 AA team.


Ducks AAA 03, may not be as good as Kings AAA03. They, however, will crush (no in intended) Ducks AA1. At Carmen Starr, one of our friend at Kings AA1 was told by one of the top line forward parents, we will win state championship this year.  Why bother playing in our division.


I heard Kings AA1 has practiced a couple of times and tied Ducks AA1 3-3.


Ducks AA1 coach is hallucinating.




Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on August 20, 2017, 10:53:56 PM
The 03's are not a strong group nor do I think they have anyone close to the best Bantam AAA players in SoCal.

I totally disagree with this statement. Looking at last year's 14U AAA Minor year, Ducks had 2 forwards that were statistically as legit as they come. Check stats from all games recorded, the Palm Springs kid was #1 in scoring and by far the best player in all of 14U AAA Minor. His teammate was #3. Now that they're in major year, one can assume that the trend may continue. Now I can't say I follow this Ducks AAA team, but I have seen the PS kid plenty and I KNOW he's one of, if not the best bantam AAA player in Socal. Another PS kid is in his first year with the Ducks AAA and he's fast and skilled. Might take him a little to acclimate to the team's system, but I'll bet he'll help on the back end.

I'd like to think Ducks AAA had an off game and that's not disrespecting Bears, as we all know they will be top 3-4 this year and may be the team to beat in Socal.

Empire beat Wada Wave 4-0.
It was a very competitive game, and as expected, Empire was the better team. But IMO, Wave played a pretty decent game despite missing players and the game could've easily been 2-1 or 3-2... Empire will bring it this year and everyone knows that, but I was encouraged to see Wada Wave, as a pure 04 team, wasn't that far behind and will no doubt compete at Bantam AA.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on August 21, 2017, 06:23:27 AM
*Alternate Reality Picks*

Riptide 03's will take it all



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Only with the help of a good slap shot.....even then barely. 😎

Hahahaaha. Still Salty!!!

Just admit that your coaches game plan to hack-a-shaq a certain player backfired by focusing way too much energy on one kid. AND, he still scored the game winner...   ;) ;) ;)
You still sandbagging your kid in Colorado?  :o

Sandbagging?

HAHAHA

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on August 21, 2017, 07:30:26 AM
AA scrimmages this weekend:


JD1 vs Kings 1 430 Saturday at Lakewood


OC1 vs Kings 1 8am Sunday Yorba Linda


Any others?  Post them and let us know how they go


OC1 Beat Kings1 5-4
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Shut Your 5-Hole on August 21, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
Lets have everyone take a deep breath and relax here  ::)... Its still preseason/scrimmages people!!! teams are brand new, new coaches, and new systems. All these kids just came out of a summer and are guaranteed rusty. Give it a few weeks for coaches and players to work out their kinks and then start talking. Till then good luck to all the kids...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on August 21, 2017, 10:50:42 PM

Agreed on time will tell part. But no matter how much you polish rocks, they don't turn into gems. Time will tell which ones are rocks and which ones are gems.




Lets have everyone take a deep breath and relax here  ::) ... Its still preseason/scrimmages people!!! teams are brand new, new coaches, and new systems. All these kids just came out of a summer and are guaranteed rusty. Give it a few weeks for coaches and players to work out their kinks and then start talking. Till then good luck to all the kids...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on August 26, 2017, 05:10:22 PM
Any scrimmages / scores from this weekend.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on August 26, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
JD1 - 1
EHC - 2


Pretty physical game, refs let it get out of hand at the end. Should make for an interesting rivalry this season.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 27, 2017, 07:56:57 AM
OCHC1 vs. JD1 today at westminster
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 27, 2017, 11:43:39 AM
OC (1) 2... Ducks (1) 1


OC (2) 0... Saints 5
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rainman on August 27, 2017, 12:53:53 PM
Bears 9 - Gulls AAA 2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 27, 2017, 01:00:31 PM
Bears 9 - Gulls AAA 2


At the jamboree,  if a team is bad enough they can send them down to A... can it work the other way and send the Bears to AAA?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 27, 2017, 06:34:22 PM
Bears 9 - Gulls AAA 2


At the jamboree,  if a team is bad enough they can send them down to A... can it work the other way and send the Bears to AAA?


CAHA has the power to do this but would never do it. The AAA schedules are already done.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on August 27, 2017, 06:35:08 PM
Wave(2) beat Kings(1) 4-3
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: makeawish on August 27, 2017, 08:22:28 PM
Bears 9 - Gulls AAA 2


At the jamboree,  if a team is bad enough they can send them down to A... can it work the other way and send the Bears to AAA?


CAHA has the power to do this but would never do it. The AAA schedules are already done.
You missing the point, Caha does not care as long as it doesn't impact
The big 3 clubs, ducks, kings and sharks and maybe teams coached
By a spouse of a caha board member.
And as aaa teams schedule the games themselves, I doubt it would be to
hard to change.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 27, 2017, 08:35:36 PM
Bears 9 - Gulls AAA 2


At the jamboree,  if a team is bad enough they can send them down to A... can it work the other way and send the Bears to AAA?


CAHA has the power to do this but would never do it. The AAA schedules are already done.
You missing the point, Caha does not care as long as it doesn't impact
The big 3 clubs, ducks, kings and sharks and maybe teams coached
By a spouse of a caha board member.
And as aaa teams schedule the games themselves, I doubt it would be to
hard to change.


Oh I get that clear as day that CAHA doesn't care about anything that doesn't effect their clubs.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on August 28, 2017, 08:20:14 AM

Word is that the AA Ducks coach was bragging that his team is better than the AAA team.  Also , supposedly,  there is a goalie and 1 or 2 other kids playing Ducks AA instead of AAA


One of our family friend's kid is playing JD AA. Here is what our friend had to say:


Not a single player returned from last year Ducks AA2 (which is supposedly AA1 this year).


The team has 5 forwards, one D, and a goalie that played Wave 3 Bantam A ( I know Crush will correct me they were AA and I agree that they were mid/low AA but they played A).

Better in goal as One of the last year AAA goalie didn't get picked this year so he had to play AA. It wasn't his first choice. The second goalie played Wave 3.


They (Wave 3) lost all their Defensemen except one. Top 3 of out of 4 left due to various reasons. They added 3-5 defensemen that have never played tier hockey. Two of them were picked to meet PDR (25%) and wouldn't make an 04 AA team.


Ducks AAA 03, may not be as good as Kings AAA03. They, however, will crush (no in intended) Ducks AA1. At Carmen Starr, one of our friend at Kings AA1 was told by one of the top line forward parents, we will win state championship this year.  Why bother playing in our division.


I heard Kings AA1 has practiced a couple of times and tied Ducks AA1 3-3.


Ducks AA1 coach is hallucinating.


hallucinating? why is that?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 28, 2017, 08:22:03 AM
Hallucinating because he thinks his team is better than the AAA
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: coachbombay on August 28, 2017, 11:08:04 AM
the apple does not fall far from the tree. he learned from the best. Wave 3 coach was his mentor.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 28, 2017, 11:41:20 AM
With San Jose just a few days away... who do you all think will be in the top flight?  By my count.. there are 13 viable top flight team's.  That means at least 3 team's get screwed.


No particular order...


1.  Bears
2. Ducks 1
3.  OC  1
4.  Empire
5.  Kings 1
6.  Sharks
7.  G SE 1
8.  G SE 2
9.  Blackhawk
10.  Wave 1
11.  Wada wave
12.  Saints
13.  Flyers


Thoughts???
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on August 28, 2017, 12:54:38 PM
With San Jose just a few days away... who do you all think will be in the top flight?  By my count.. there are 13 viable top flight team's.  That means at least 3 team's get screwed.


No particular order...


1.  Bears
2. Ducks 1
3.  OC  1
4.  Empire
5.  Kings 1
6.  Sharks
7.  G SE 1
8.  G SE 2
9.  Blackhawk
10.  Wave 1
11.  Wada wave
12.  Saints
13.  Flyers


Thoughts???
Interesting that you have the 4 NorCal teams placed outside of the top 5, yet understandable since we have yet to see them play.  One thing I've learned in the last 3 years in Tier hockey is to not underestimate the NorCal teams - they almost always have 1 or 2 teams in the top 5.  Also, Ducks1 over Empire?  I thought EHC  just beat them last Saturday, and they have five 04s on that team.  Agree that da Bears are the team to beat.  Should make for a fun weekend!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 28, 2017, 01:07:42 PM
The list was in no particular order.   Was just listing team's as they came to mind. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 28, 2017, 01:31:47 PM
Here is my new rankings.

Bears.

















Everyone Else
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 28, 2017, 02:07:18 PM
Here is my new rankings.

Bears.

















Everyone Else


Perfect!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on August 28, 2017, 02:17:14 PM
Is there an 03 Sharks AAA team?  If I was da Bears, I'd say eff the jamboree, go up and beat the Sharks AAA team, then insist on CAHA allowing them to play up.  Why waste your time in a division where you're gonna boat race everyone?  Just sayin'...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on August 28, 2017, 02:43:12 PM
Is there an 03 Sharks AAA team?  If I was da Bears, I'd say eff the jamboree, go up and beat the Sharks AAA team, then insist on CAHA allowing them to play up.  Why waste your time in a division where you're gonna boat race everyone?  Just sayin'...




Unfortunately it is nothing new....it happened to the Riptide a couple seasons ago and CAHA denied their request to move up.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on August 28, 2017, 02:52:34 PM
Yeah, but wasn't that a PDR issue?  Don't think the Bears have that problem (pretty sure MOST of their players are from the Bears last season).  Whatevs, they'll get to puff out their chests this year.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Panther Coach on August 28, 2017, 03:18:40 PM
Yeah, but wasn't that a PDR issue?  Don't think the Bears have that problem (pretty sure MOST of their players are from the Bears last season).  Whatevs, they'll get to puff out their chests this year.


Riptide reason had nothing to do with PDR.  It had to do with having enough A/B teams to field a AA team. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on August 28, 2017, 03:39:55 PM
Did the Bears petition for a Bantam AAA team?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on August 28, 2017, 03:41:41 PM
With San Jose just a few days away... who do you all think will be in the top flight?  By my count.. there are 13 viable top flight team's.  That means at least 3 team's get screwed.


No particular order...


1.  Bears
2. Ducks 1
3.  OC  1
4.  Empire
5.  Kings 1
6.  Sharks
7.  G SE 1
8.  G SE 2
9.  Blackhawk
10.  Wave 1
11.  Wada wave
12.  Saints
13.  Flyers


Thoughts???
I think you nailed it!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on August 28, 2017, 04:57:13 PM
Yeah, but wasn't that a PDR issue?  Don't think the Bears have that problem (pretty sure MOST of their players are from the Bears last season).  Whatevs, they'll get to puff out their chests this year.


Riptide reason had nothing to do with PDR.  It had to do with having enough A/B teams to field a AA team.
Oh yeah, that's right.  Well, Bears don't have another Bantam AA team to support a AAA team so I guess that's out.  Bummer.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on August 28, 2017, 05:42:18 PM
Maybe Da Bears  parents don't want to deal with the bull shit of doing AAA ??

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on August 28, 2017, 05:57:12 PM
Shouldn't teams just play at the level they should play at? This whole feeder thing really screws talented kids who happen to live too far away from SJ, Ducks, or Kings. But whatever...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on August 28, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
Maybe Da Bears  parents don't want to deal with the bull shit of doing AAA ??

Like the schedule with 6 games? lol
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on August 28, 2017, 10:31:51 PM
Maybe Da Bears  parents don't want to deal with the bull shit of doing AAA ??

Like the schedule with 6 games? lol
12 actually. 3x Ducks, Kings, Gulls, and Sharks. But it's a moot point so, moving on... 8)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on August 30, 2017, 02:10:54 PM
So looks like everyone agrees with the fact that it will be the Bears at the top of the charts. What are your predictions for below the Bears? What have you seen from the teams your sons team has scrimmaged? since not everyone has gotten a chance to see everyone. Inquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on August 30, 2017, 02:33:08 PM
So looks like everyone agrees with the fact that it will be the Bears at the top of the charts. What are your predictions for below the Bears? What have you seen from the teams your sons team has scrimmaged? since not everyone has gotten a chance to see everyone. Inquiring minds want to know.


Judging by the scores reported.. Kings 1, Ducks 1, OC1, and Empire are all pretty even.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on August 30, 2017, 02:37:42 PM
So looks like everyone agrees with the fact that it will be the Bears at the top of the charts. What are your predictions for below the Bears? What have you seen from the teams your sons team has scrimmaged? since not everyone has gotten a chance to see everyone. Inquiring minds want to know.


Judging by the scores reported.. Kings 1, Ducks 1, OC1, and Empire are all pretty even.


Didn't Kings 1 lose to the Wave team? not sure if the Wave team was the 03 or 04 though. Maybe the Kings had an off day?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on August 30, 2017, 03:39:37 PM
Wave 04' beat the Kings 1.  4-3.  Wave scored short handed and killed 3 of 4 penalties.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on August 30, 2017, 03:44:04 PM
Didn't Kings 1 lose to the Wave team? not sure if the Wave team was the 03 or 04 though. Maybe the Kings had an off day?
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Wave 04, so it must have just been an off day. (;
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on August 30, 2017, 05:08:35 PM
Didn't Kings 1 lose to the Wave team? not sure if the Wave team was the 03 or 04 though. Maybe the Kings had an off day?

Wave 04, so it must have just been an off day. (;



Stanley didn't mean it like that...actually I heard that those kids look pretty good for being a first year Bantam team....but since majority agree that the 03 teams are supposed to dominate this year...thought that maybe they had played the 03 Wave.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on August 30, 2017, 05:24:04 PM
Didn't Kings 1 lose to the Wave team? not sure if the Wave team was the 03 or 04 though. Maybe the Kings had an off day?

Wave 04, so it must have just been an off day. (;

Off day


Jks had tough day the day before
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on August 30, 2017, 06:46:13 PM
Didn't Kings 1 lose to the Wave team? not sure if the Wave team was the 03 or 04 though. Maybe the Kings had an off day?

Wave 04, so it must have just been an off day. (;



Stanley didn't mean it like that...actually I heard that those kids look pretty good for being a first year Bantam team....but since majority agree that the 03 teams are supposed to dominate this year...thought that maybe they had played the 03 Wave.


Just messin' with ya man!

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 01, 2017, 09:11:11 PM
Heard a rumor today that Ducks 1 got 2 ringers to sign up and they are trying to decide which 2 kids to cut to make room.  Anybody confirm or deny that?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: CaliDog on September 02, 2017, 08:49:58 AM
Ducks 1 are fine on PDR and not planning on cutting anyone if that's what you're thinking.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 02, 2017, 08:56:35 AM
Ducks 1 are fine on PDR and not planning on cutting anyone if that's what you're thinking.


Not thinking anything... just heard a rumor
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 02, 2017, 10:32:22 AM
Sharks up on Kings 1,  2-0 after 1st
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 02, 2017, 10:38:31 AM
https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/display-schedule.php?league=16&level=8&conf=0&season=20
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 02, 2017, 09:45:14 PM
While is SJ  noticed  BF's JR playing.   Was going to look for him to try to collect my $$.  Then I saw the score.   Felt sorry.....decided not to be  Dawg The Bounty Hunter.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: locked out on September 03, 2017, 06:49:24 AM
There is the possibility that they wont split the division.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 03, 2017, 08:57:45 AM
There is the possibility that they wont split the division.


Where did you get that from?  Very interesting if that happens
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rats13 on September 03, 2017, 10:19:48 AM
CAHA:
5)   If after preseason jamboree evaluation the Evaluation Committee determines a particular division cannot be equitably split into two divisions that division will play as a whole without being split into two flights.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 03, 2017, 10:27:59 AM
At least the weather is nice and cool
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 03, 2017, 10:49:40 AM
Bears over GSE 1  1-0.... guess we shouldn't hand them the state championship just yet.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 03, 2017, 11:09:00 AM
Bears over GSE 1  1-0.... guess we shouldn't hand them the state championship just yet.


Both GSE teams are strong.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 03, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:


Top flight:
1.  Bears
2.  Blackhawks
3.  Sharks
4. GSE1
5.  GSE2
6.  Kings 1
7.  OC 1
8.  Ducks 1
9.  Wave 1
10. Empire


Bottom flight:
1.  Saints
2.  Reign
3.  Kings 2
4.  OC 2
5.  Ducks 2
6.  Flyers
7.  Mariners
8.  Wave 2


Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: socal03 on September 03, 2017, 01:23:18 PM
At the moment with one game left in the first round, its still difficult to compare the set of GSE2 OC1 Flyers Saints OC2 Ventura vs the rest of the field...these 6 teams have played no teams outside their own set. Its looking like GSE2, OC1, Bears, Empire, Blackhawks, GSE1, Sharks and Wave1 are top flight at this time.  Still some gray area to be clarified for Flyers Ducks1 vs Kings 1 (last game) and maybe 1 or 2 others who started off with tough draws. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on September 03, 2017, 01:55:00 PM
While there were many other ways to divide teams into two flights, other than making people spend so much time & money, one thing is clear tier ii jamboree might be a success in terms of separating contenders from wannabes. It appears that most top flight teams might not be all that different from one another. Same looks to be true for the bottom flight division if there is any. Any top flight team can beat another top flight team on a given sunday and same holds true for bottom flight division. Such a parity is a good thing for player & team development. Although jamboree is an expensive way to find that out.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 03, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:


Top flight:
1.  Bears
2.  Blackhawks
3.  Sharks
4. GSE1
5.  GSE2
6.  Kings 1
7.  OC 1
8.  Ducks 1
9.  Wave 1
10. Empire


Bottom flight:
1.  Saints
2.  Reign
3.  Kings 2
4.  OC 2
5.  Ducks 2
6.  Flyers
7.  Mariners
8.  Wave 2


Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.


That's pretty a solid list . One could argure The Kings are 0-2 now. Close game with sharks.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 03, 2017, 07:05:25 PM
And GSE 2 beats Bears 3-2. Interesting season ahead?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 03, 2017, 11:34:01 PM
And GSE 2 beats Bears 3-2. Interesting season ahead?


Darn straight!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 04, 2017, 09:14:56 AM
Big shout out to the CAHA brain trust.  Thanks for scheduling all of the NorCal teams Monday morning games while there are SoCal teams playing each other after noon.  I typically refrain from using the term 'retard' but it's well deserve here.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 04, 2017, 03:38:52 PM
Especially since this great idea pervaded from the north.  I am sure the scheduling gurus down south will avenge this catastrophe.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 04, 2017, 03:49:43 PM
Kings 1 don't belong in the top flight.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 04, 2017, 04:28:24 PM
Kings 1 don't belong in the top flight.


They went 0-4 but like they say.


It's good to be the King.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 04, 2017, 04:44:11 PM
And I think this is why the new scheme is so completely frustrating. Kings send two teams to San Jose. Neither of them wins a game. Yet, deep down, we all know what's about to happen.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 04, 2017, 04:47:45 PM
Also wave 03 team lost 3 games don't belong in top flight. IMO
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 04, 2017, 05:07:47 PM
I'm thinking we need to look at more than just wins and losses, though relying on stats, being what they are, is scary, too. Did anyone think any of their games was a complete waste of time?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 04, 2017, 05:15:47 PM
I can think of Three teams that they just should drop to A.


Then they could have one flight. Won't happen though
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 04, 2017, 05:26:52 PM
Agree
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 04, 2017, 05:41:51 PM
I think the CAHA Board and presidents basically came at this whole thing with a couple main concerns:


1) An above-board coach and organization would drop their non-performing teams to Bantam A. CAHA clearly does not trust its club presidents to do the right thing so everyone gets summoned to San Jose for an audition. I guess the presidents are worried players would leave once the LOI has been voided and therefore can't be trusted to objectively evaluate their own teams. Personally, I doubt players leaving would happen in any great numbers. Most A teams have enough players by now. There is nowhere for the disgruntled AA player to go. Teams should play at the level they belong. Period.

2) CAHA created a rule mandating a AAA organization must have 2 AA teams if they want to keep the AAA team.

CAHA Rule 8.1.b states, "Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at the Tier II level in the current and previous season."

If we use the Jr. Reign as an example we can shed some light on the matter. They sent 3 AA teams to San Jose. The club also has an 18AAA team. The result of the weekend for the Riverside-based organization is:

12AA: 1-3

14AA: 1-3 (The one win was against the very weak JK2 squad. The scores of the games they lost were 1-9, 0-7 and 0-3).

16AA: 1-1-2


I believe the Reign also have ab 18AA team but they weren't in San Jose. I don't know how good they are but this team alone will not be enough to maintain the club's AAA eligibility.


Based on performance at the evaluation jamboree, one could make the argumnent that all three participating teams should be dropped to A. That, however, would jeopardize the viability of the 18AAA team. CAHA appears to want the Jr. Reign to keep their AAA eligibility. For this reason we have a silly new AA tier scheme. Jr. Reign teams get to stay "AA" and no LOIs are voided. It's a brilliant plan.
The problem is that several other teams will be going down with the ship. I feel bad for the "bubble" teams that will be needed to complete a 2nd flight system to accomodate the Jr. Reign.


I really hope I am wrong. If CAHA comes out and tells the Jr. Reign to drop to A I will be the first to congratulate them.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 04, 2017, 06:04:49 PM
I think the CAHA Board and presidents basically came at this whole thing with a couple main concerns:


1) An above-board coach and organization would drop their non-performing teams to Bantam A. CAHA clearly does not trust its club presidents to do the right thing so everyone gets summoned to San Jose for an audition. I guess the presidents are worried players would leave once the LOI has been voided and therefore can't be trusted to objectively evaluate their own teams. Personally, I doubt players leaving would happen in any great numbers. Most A teams have enough players by now. There is nowhere for the disgruntled AA player to go. Teams should play at the level they belong. Period.

2) CAHA created a rule mandating a AAA organization must have 2 AA teams if they want to keep the AAA team.

CAHA Rule 8.1.b states, "Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at the Tier II level in the current and previous season."

If we use the Jr. Reign as an example we can shed some light on the matter. They sent 3 AA teams to San Jose. The club also has an 18AAA team. The result of the weekend for the Riverside-based organization is:

12AA: 1-3

14AA: 1-3 (The one win was against the very weak JK2 squad. The scores of the games they lost were 1-9, 0-7 and 0-3).

16AA: 1-1-2


I believe the Reign also have ab 18AA team but they weren't in San Jose. I don't know how good they are but this team alone will not be enough to maintain the club's AAA eligibility.


Based on performance at the evaluation jamboree, one could make the argumnent that all three participating teams should be dropped to A. That, however, would jeopardize the viability of the 18AAA team. CAHA appears to want the Jr. Reign to keep their AAA eligibility. For this reason we have a silly new AA tier scheme. Jr. Reign teams get to stay "AA" and no LOIs are voided. It's a brilliant plan.
The problem is that several other teams will be going down with the ship. I feel bad for the "bubble" teams that will be needed to complete a 2nd flight system to accomodate the Jr. Reign.


I really hope I am wrong. If CAHA comes out and tells the Jr. Reign to drop to A I will be the first to congratulate them.




Drops Mic and walks off stage.


Perfect
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: cog254 on September 04, 2017, 07:00:36 PM
Jr Reign 18 AA went 0-4 at the Lake Forest tourney this weekend and had 3 G 24 GA
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 04, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
Let's just draw district lines.  If you want to play, you must play in your city or region.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 04, 2017, 09:02:03 PM
You could also get rid of some of these requirements so that teams that should be in AAA, play in AAA. 

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: jjyoung909 on September 04, 2017, 09:04:54 PM
Once the big 3 get the new rule that dropping a letter does not void the LOI this pesky problem of kids leaving will be averted.


I think the CAHA Board and presidents basically came at this whole thing with a couple main concerns:


1) An above-board coach and organization would drop their non-performing teams to Bantam A. CAHA clearly does not trust its club presidents to do the right thing so everyone gets summoned to San Jose for an audition. I guess the presidents are worried players would leave once the LOI has been voided and therefore can't be trusted to objectively evaluate their own teams. Personally, I doubt players leaving would happen in any great numbers. Most A teams have enough players by now. There is nowhere for the disgruntled AA player to go. Teams should play at the level they belong. Period.

2) CAHA created a rule mandating a AAA organization must have 2 AA teams if they want to keep the AAA team.

CAHA Rule 8.1.b states, "Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at the Tier II level in the current and previous season."

If we use the Jr. Reign as an example we can shed some light on the matter. They sent 3 AA teams to San Jose. The club also has an 18AAA team. The result of the weekend for the Riverside-based organization is:

12AA: 1-3

14AA: 1-3 (The one win was against the very weak JK2 squad. The scores of the games they lost were 1-9, 0-7 and 0-3).

16AA: 1-1-2


I believe the Reign also have ab 18AA team but they weren't in San Jose. I don't know how good they are but this team alone will not be enough to maintain the club's AAA eligibility.


Based on performance at the evaluation jamboree, one could make the argumnent that all three participating teams should be dropped to A. That, however, would jeopardize the viability of the 18AAA team. CAHA appears to want the Jr. Reign to keep their AAA eligibility. For this reason we have a silly new AA tier scheme. Jr. Reign teams get to stay "AA" and no LOIs are voided. It's a brilliant plan.
The problem is that several other teams will be going down with the ship. I feel bad for the "bubble" teams that will be needed to complete a 2nd flight system to accomodate the Jr. Reign.


I really hope I am wrong. If CAHA comes out and tells the Jr. Reign to drop to A I will be the first to congratulate them.




Drops Mic and walks off stage.


Perfect
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on September 05, 2017, 09:28:43 AM
Jr Reign 18 AA went 0-4 at the Lake Forest tourney this weekend and had 3 G 24 GA


OUCH!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 05, 2017, 09:56:26 AM
This will be talked about all year! 


There are 4-5 teams that clearly belong in the top group.  There are 3-4 that clearly belong in the second group.  That leaves 7-9 teams in limbo.  Teams will be placed in the wrong group.


This rule is almost as stupid as the PK icing rule change.   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 05, 2017, 10:31:16 AM
This will be talked about all year! 


There are 4-5 teams that clearly belong in the top group.  There are 3-4 that clearly belong in the second group.  That leaves 7-9 teams in limbo.  Teams will be placed in the wrong group.


This rule is almost as stupid as the PK icing rule change.

That icing on the PK is so stupid. So our kids are just trying to feather it out and just goes to their D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 05, 2017, 10:40:17 AM
This will be talked about all year! 


There are 4-5 teams that clearly belong in the top group.  There are 3-4 that clearly belong in the second group.  That leaves 7-9 teams in limbo.  Teams will be placed in the wrong group.


This rule is almost as stupid as the PK icing rule change.


That icing on the PK is so stupid. So our kids are just trying to feather it out and just goes to their D


Everyone should just ice it anyway, do a line change and be done with it...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 05, 2017, 11:14:21 AM
Interestingly, it does not appear this rule applies to Tier 1, or at least I didn't see it enforced. Totally lame.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on September 05, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
Okay, 1st annual CAHA Jamboree Festival Extravaganza is over and here are the raw results (Bantam data from stats sheet).


In order by win/loss:




Flight 1:
OC1
GSE 2
Sharks
Empire
Bears
GSE 1
Wave 2
Ducks 1
Mariners


Flight 2:
Valencia
OC2
Blackhawks
Wave 1
Saints
Ducks 2
Jr. Reign
Kings 1
Kings 2




Recognizing simple match up differences, here is the rankings by Goal Differentials:


Flight 1:
OC1
GSE 2
Empire
Sharks
Bears
Blackhawks
GSE 1
Wave 2
Wave 1



Flight 2:
Ducks 1
Valencia
OC 2
Saints
Kings 1
Mariners
Ducks 2
Kings 2
Jr. Reign



Before any first order schedule strength analysis, the indications show a clear top 5 and a bottom 3.  10 in the middle. Looks like a regular league.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 05, 2017, 01:19:17 PM
A shot differential analysis should be interesting, too.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 05, 2017, 01:21:30 PM
Okay, 1st annual CAHA Jamboree Festival Extravaganza is over and here are the raw results (Bantam data from stats sheet).


In order by win/loss:




Flight 1:
OC1
GSE 2
Sharks
Empire
Bears
GSE 1
Wave 2
Ducks 1
Mariners


Flight 2:
Valencia
OC2
Blackhawks
Wave 1
Saints
Ducks 2
Jr. Reign
Kings 1
Kings 2




Recognizing simple match up differences, here is the rankings by Goal Differentials:


Flight 1:
OC1
GSE 2
Empire
Sharks
Bears
Blackhawks
GSE 1
Wave 2
Wave 1



Flight 2:
Ducks 1
Valencia
OC 2
Saints
Kings 1
Mariners
Ducks 2
Kings 2
Jr. Reign



Before any first order schedule strength analysis, the indications show a clear top 5 and a bottom 3.  10 in the middle. Looks like a regular league.

You can't just use wins and losses and Goal differential is a joke if you got to play Kings 2 or Ducks 2 or Wildcats.   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 05, 2017, 01:39:32 PM
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:


Top flight:
1.  Bears
2.  Blackhawks
3.  Sharks
4. GSE1
5.  GSE2
6.  Kings 1
7.  OC 1
8.  Ducks 1
9.  Wave 1
10. Empire


Bottom flight:
1.  Saints
2.  Reign
3.  Kings 2
4.  OC 2
5.  Ducks 2
6.  Flyers
7.  Mariners
8.  Wave 2


Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.


I'm still sticking with this list... although an argument can be made for Wave 2 to bump someone out.


For a legit analysis you need to see the team's play... some of those team's were tiny and will get blown off the ice by the big boys (OC1, bears, Empire, GSE)  mariners won a few games against weak team's but got destroyed by OC1.  OC had more short handed shots then the mariners had total shots.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 05, 2017, 01:46:16 PM
Here is the top 5 teams I saw.

GSE1
Bears
OC1
GSE2
Sharks

How did teams fair vs them? Was it close were you beaten down?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on September 05, 2017, 02:06:49 PM
Agreed, but this is the data available publicly to work with.   Looking at first order sched. strength of the 36 games, not a lot changes.  (Because only Sharks and OC2 had the clearly beneficial overall schedule.)


At any rate, processing that through, the top 5/6 group remains same and the bottom 3 are same. 


Middle ground moves around a bit, which is normal for only 4 game sequence.  That is why they needed evaluators.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 05, 2017, 03:50:44 PM
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:


Top flight:
1.  Bears
2.  Blackhawks
3.  Sharks
4. GSE1
5.  GSE2
6.  Kings 1
7.  OC 1
8.  Ducks 1
9.  Wave 1
10. Empire


Bottom flight:
1.  Saints
2.  Reign
3.  Kings 2
4.  OC 2
5.  Ducks 2
6.  Flyers
7.  Mariners
8.  Wave 2


Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.


I'm still sticking with this list... although an argument can be made for Wave 2 to bump someone out.


For a legit analysis you need to see the team's play... some of those team's were tiny and will get blown off the ice by the big boys (OC1, bears, Empire, GSE)  mariners won a few games against weak team's but got destroyed by OC1.  OC had more short handed shots then the mariners had total shots.

You should bump Ducks one out. Bears destroyed them 7-0 at one point till they backed off.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: d-dad on September 05, 2017, 04:08:12 PM
I watched that game. Bears didn't back off. JD1 changed goalies and played better.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 05, 2017, 04:39:54 PM
Teemu8 Says, "I'm sticking with this list....."

Teemu8, I think your list is interesting. To be honest, it confirms my greatest fears: Teams will be "Flighted" based on differing degrees of entitlement rather than actual merit. I miss the days of wins/losses deciding who the better teams were. Apparently, Jr. Kings can simply show up and they get a Flight 1 spot.

San Jose Results:

JK vs Sharks (2-3) LOSS
JK vs JD (0-2) LOSS
JK vs Wave2 (1-1)
JK vs GSE2 (1-5) LOSS

This gets them a Flight 1 spot?

The SCAHA schedule is very easy for JK1 for the most part. They get to play the Jr. Reign and the JK2 team. If memory serves me, neither team won a game in San Jose. The team does play Wave 1 but you have listed both as Flight 1 teams.

The fun game will be on October 1 when the Jr. Flyers get a shot at them. You have the Jr. Flyers in the bottom flight.

If the Flyers beat JK1 will you change your mind or do JK1 get Flight 1 simply because, well, they are the Kings after all?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 05, 2017, 05:06:35 PM
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:


Top flight:
1.  Bears
2.  Blackhawks
3.  Sharks
4. GSE1
5.  GSE2
6.  Kings 1
7.  OC 1
8.  Ducks 1
9.  Wave 1
10. Empire


Bottom flight:
1.  Saints
2.  Reign
3.  Kings 2
4.  OC 2
5.  Ducks 2
6.  Flyers
7.  Mariners
8.  Wave 2

You should bump Ducks one out. Bears destroyed them 7-0 at one point till they backed off.

In my opinion, Kings1, a pure 03 team, lost 3 games to mainly 03-heavy teams, couldn't beat a pure 04 team in Wave2 (lost to Wave2 also in a scrimmage 2 weeks ago) should be placed in the lower flight. Also, Ducks1 are likely middle of the pack and not a top flight team, but lets be honest here, hell will freeze over before CAHA let all 4 Kings and Ducks team be seeded in the lower flight.

Here's my list:

GSE2
Bears
OC1
GSE1
Empire
Blackhawks
Sharks
Wave1
Ducks1
Wave2
Kings1
Flyers
Saints
Mariners
OC2
Ducks2
Jr Reign
Kings2

Flyers are the odd team here... Losing to Mariners but tying GSE1!? They seem a bit all over the board...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 05, 2017, 05:16:45 PM
WHERE CAN YOU FIND THE RESULTS FROM SAN JOSE?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 05, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/display-schedule.php?league=16&level=8&conf=0&season=20
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 05, 2017, 05:30:36 PM
This will end up being a popularity contest, the big 3 will get a free pass as usual.  Although I believe Ducks 1 and Sharks do belong.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 05, 2017, 05:32:07 PM
Teemu8 Says, "I'm sticking with this list....."

Teemu8, I think your list is interesting. To be honest, it confirms my greatest fears: Teams will be "Flighted" based on differing degrees of entitlement rather than actual merit. I miss the days of wins/losses deciding who the better teams were. Apparently, Jr. Kings can simply show up and they get a Flight 1 spot.

San Jose Results:

JK vs Sharks (2-3) LOSS
JK vs JD (0-2) LOSS
JK vs Wave2 (1-1)
JK vs GSE2 (1-5) LOSS

This gets them a Flight 1 spot?

The SCAHA schedule is very easy for JK1 for the most part. They get to play the Jr. Reign and the JK2 team. If memory serves me, neither team won a game in San Jose. The team does play Wave 1 but you have listed both as Flight 1 teams.

The fun game will be on October 1 when the Jr. Flyers get a shot at them. You have the Jr. Flyers in the bottom flight.

If the Flyers beat JK1 will you change your mind or do JK1 get Flight 1 simply because, well, they are the Kings after all?


First off,  I'm not a "kings guy "  I don't want them in the top flight simply because they are kings.. I saw them play.  They also lost to OC1 5-4 a few weeks ago.


It's just my prediction.  You can't flight this thing based only on 4 games worth of wins and losses.   Blackhawk lost 3 games.. but I saw them play.. they are damn good and belong in top flight.  Base on "actual wins and losses they would be bottom flight and that's just wrong.


Bantam is hard because the difference between a 14 and a 13 is huge sometimes,  much bigger than the difference between a 12 and 11, or a 16 and a 15.  I don't envy the evaluators trying to figure this out.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 05, 2017, 05:43:13 PM
Lets look at how Ducks 1 did.

Beat the worst team Kings 2 final score 4-0

Beat the Kings 1 team we are saying shouldn't be top flight 2-0

Lost to Sharks 2-4 a good team but not top 5

Lost to Bears a really good team 8-2 that's a blowout sorry.


So are they top Flight??? 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 05, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
You can't flight this thing based only on 4 games worth of wins and losses.   Blackhawk lost 3 games.. but I saw them play.. they are damn good and belong in top flight.  Base on "actual wins and losses they would be bottom flight and that's just wrong.

I watched the Blackhawks a bit and they lost to damn good teams and the games were all close, that's why I slotted them 6th, right under teams that are clearly above most in Bantam AA. It's useless to go by point, win/loss or GF. The top 6 and bottom 5 are clear as day. It's the middle of the pack that's murky and very difficult to evaluate.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 05, 2017, 05:53:48 PM
You can't flight this thing based only on 4 games worth of wins and losses.   Blackhawk lost 3 games.. but I saw them play.. they are damn good and belong in top flight.  Base on "actual wins and losses they would be bottom flight and that's just wrong.

I watched the Blackhawks a bit and they lost to damn good teams and the games were all close, that's why I slotted them 6th, right under teams that are clearly above most in Bantam AA. It's useless to go by point, win/loss or GF. The top 6 and bottom 5 are clear as day. It's the middle of the pack that's murky and very difficult to evaluate.

Yes totally agree the top 6 are clear as day when you watch.

You have a murky middle that has teams that have Mixes of 03 and 04 kids and haven't played together as a team long. Some of the middle pack will raise up by Nov or Dec and will or should I say could contend.   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stark on September 05, 2017, 09:28:54 PM
Hearing the divisions won't be announced till September 15ish.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Hockey05 on September 05, 2017, 09:29:35 PM
What if they take six teams for flight 1.  Then the top two in flight two make the playoffs and the third place team has a play in game against the flight one 6th place team.  You could also then drop a couple of teams to A. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 05, 2017, 10:04:37 PM
Jr. Reign Beat Kings 2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 05, 2017, 10:22:01 PM
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 05, 2017, 10:32:49 PM
I think the CAHA Board and presidents basically came at this whole thing with a couple main concerns:


1) An above-board coach and organization would drop their non-performing teams to Bantam A. CAHA clearly does not trust its club presidents to do the right thing so everyone gets summoned to San Jose for an audition. I guess the presidents are worried players would leave once the LOI has been voided and therefore can't be trusted to objectively evaluate their own teams. Personally, I doubt players leaving would happen in any great numbers. Most A teams have enough players by now. There is nowhere for the disgruntled AA player to go. Teams should play at the level they belong. Period.

2) CAHA created a rule mandating a AAA organization must have 2 AA teams if they want to keep the AAA team.

CAHA Rule 8.1.b states, "Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at the Tier II level in the current and previous season."

If we use the Jr. Reign as an example we can shed some light on the matter. They sent 3 AA teams to San Jose. The club also has an 18AAA team. The result of the weekend for the Riverside-based organization is:

12AA: 1-3

14AA: 1-3 (The one win was against the very weak JK2 squad. The scores of the games they lost were 1-9, 0-7 and 0-3).

16AA: 1-1-2

I believe the Reign also have ab 18AA team but they weren't in San Jose. I don't know how good they are but this team alone will not be enough to maintain the club's AAA eligibility.

Based on performance at the evaluation jamboree, one could make the argumnent that all three participating teams should be dropped to A. That, however, would jeopardize the viability of the 18AAA team. CAHA appears to want the Jr. Reign to keep their AAA eligibility. For this reason we have a silly new AA tier scheme. Jr. Reign teams get to stay "AA" and no LOIs are voided. It's a brilliant plan.
The problem is that several other teams will be going down with the ship. I feel bad for the "bubble" teams that will be needed to complete a 2nd flight system to accomodate the Jr. Reign.


I really hope I am wrong. If CAHA comes out and tells the Jr. Reign to drop to A I will be the first to congratulate them.




Drops Mic and walks off stage.


Perfect


Just noticed the president of the Jr. Reign is also a CAHA Board member. It's all starting to make sense...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on September 05, 2017, 10:40:09 PM
He's been doing this well before he was on the CAHA board.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 06, 2017, 08:55:20 AM
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team


Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA?  I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on September 06, 2017, 09:04:30 AM
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team


Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA?  I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.

I don't know if I'm the only one to notice but the size of most of the 04' players is drastically smaller than the 03' players this time last year. Most of the 04' players I've seen are the same height and weight as 2nd year Peewees and some are the same size as 1st year Peewees. This size difference plays a huge role in strength that translates into speed and puck protection capabilities. The other reason is checking. The PW AA state champs didn't have to deal with 5' 6" 150 lbs. of 13 or 14 year old checking them off the puck. They can have all the creativity and passing but without knowing when and how to check they're not going to be effective against many if any of the Bantam AA Major teams. Just my $0.02.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on September 06, 2017, 09:13:43 AM
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team


Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA?  I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.


There is a simple explanation.  It is Bantams, the game has changed.


It also explains why you don't want your player to peak at PW.  There is lots of hockey left after 12 years old.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 06, 2017, 09:17:08 AM
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team



Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA?  I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.


With the exception of that giant goalie they are just so darn tiny.  For whatever reason the difference between 03s and 04s just seems to be so much more drastic than in other age groups.  I actually fear for the safety of some of those 04 teams when they play against OC1, Empire, or bears.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 06, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team


Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA?  I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.

I don't know if I'm the only one to notice but the size of most of the 04' players is drastically smaller than the 03' players this time last year. Most of the 04' players I've seen are the same height and weight as 2nd year Peewees and some are the same size as 1st year Peewees. This size difference plays a huge role in strength that translates into speed and puck protection capabilities. The other reason is checking. The PW AA state champs didn't have to deal with 5' 6" 150 lbs. of 13 or 14 year old checking them off the puck. They can have all the creativity and passing but without knowing when and how to check they're not going to be effective against many if any of the Bantam AA Major teams. Just my $0.02.


I agree that first year Bantams are always going to struggle.  However, the WW won the PW AA state championship (against the Kings) they are also small with 2 exceptions, they are a mid pack team as you would expect. Did the Kings lose players or a coaching change?  They should be a mid pack team...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 06, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
They split AAA into Minor and Major, and you never hear a minor AAA team complaining they aren't major. This flight thing, I think, is an attempt at doing the same. In the end, it really may be a good thing for Bantams, at least. But egos will be hurt.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2017, 09:34:26 AM
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team


Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA?  I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.


There is a simple explanation.  It is Bantams, the game has changed.


It also explains why you don't want your player to peak at PW.  There is lots of hockey left after 12 years old.


This!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on September 06, 2017, 09:39:55 AM
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:


Top flight:
1.  Bears
2.  Blackhawks
3.  Sharks
4. GSE1
5.  GSE2
6.  Kings 1
7.  OC 1
8.  Ducks 1
9.  Wave 1
10. Empire


Bottom flight:
1.  Saints
2.  Reign
3.  Kings 2
4.  OC 2
5.  Ducks 2
6.  Flyers
7.  Mariners
8.  Wave 2

You should bump Ducks one out. Bears destroyed them 7-0 at one point till they backed off.

In my opinion, Kings1, a pure 03 team, lost 3 games to mainly 03-heavy teams, couldn't beat a pure 04 team in Wave2 (lost to Wave2 also in a scrimmage 2 weeks ago) should be placed in the lower flight. Also, Ducks1 are likely middle of the pack and not a top flight team, but lets be honest here, hell will freeze over before CAHA let all 4 Kings and Ducks team be seeded in the lower flight.

Here's my list:

GSE2
Bears
OC1
GSE1
Empire
Blackhawks
Sharks
Wave1
Ducks1
Wave2
Kings1
Flyers
Saints
Mariners
OC2
Ducks2
Jr Reign
Kings2

Flyers are the odd team here... Losing to Mariners but tying GSE1!? They seem a bit all over the board...

That looks about right, although one could arguably play around with the order of Wave 1, Ducks 1, and Wave 2.  However, as others have pointed out, there is zero chance that CAHA will put both JK teams in the lower flight where they belong.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 06, 2017, 11:03:41 AM


Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA?  I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.

I don't think is a matter of peaking out at PW, this BantamAA Kings2 team is just different from last yr's PWAA State Final Kings team. Out of 17 kids last year, 11 returned but their two top dogs went AAA. Also a new coach, who is legit in my opinion, plus a bunch of new kids... May take some time to get up to speed, but it's always going to be an uphill battle for all-04 first yr bantam teams...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 06, 2017, 12:34:02 PM
They split AAA into Minor and Major, and you never hear a minor AAA team complaining they aren't major. This flight thing, I think, is an attempt at doing the same. In the end, it really may be a good thing for Bantams, at least. But egos will be hurt.


Except that it is entirely different.  Major and Minor are for 100% birth year teams, because that is how AAA hockey is structured around the country and in Canada.


It would be great if there were more birth year teams, but not all clubs have the pool of kids that allow for birth year teams.     


From what I've heard, the Flight proposal came about due to "parent complaints" about having to travel to play teams that "weren't good enough to provide competition" and this was in essence a punitive system meant to discourage those teams from punching above their weight class, and simultaneously protecting the top Flight teams from ever having to play teams that are beneath them. 


Historically, many of the suspect teams happened to be composed of younger birth year teams, using Tier2 as a training ground prior to their jump to AAA.   Of course there have also been an even greater number of teams that were just completely overmatched that weren't these AAA-in-waiting teams, but the feeling coming from the play-up teams is that it doesn't matter if they lose all their games, because playing up to Squirt from Mite, and Squirt to Peewee is seasoning and preparation for the AAA tournaments they will play.    They literally have no incentive to stop the practice, and rather than just change the rules so these teams can no longer take a 90%+ roster and play up a division, CAHA came up with this unnecessary Flighting system. 


The irony is that it isn't even applicable to Bantam and U16 where the phenomenon of playing up doesn't exist, and it's also ill timed because they are not allowing the Mites to play up anymore (SCAHA rule 19.04) No 8U aged player may play up.

Coming off the 180 degree turn on CAHA weekends, it would have been far wiser to utilize the existing rules for a year and see how things stabilized, but instead we can all once again be test subjects for another CAHA experiment.

   



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: 1hockeydad on September 06, 2017, 01:42:58 PM
They split AAA into Minor and Major, and you never hear a minor AAA team complaining they aren't major. This flight thing, I think, is an attempt at doing the same. In the end, it really may be a good thing for Bantams, at least. But egos will be hurt.


Except that it is entirely different.  Major and Minor are for 100% birth year teams, because that is how AAA hockey is structured around the country and in Canada.


It would be great if there were more birth year teams, but not all clubs have the pool of kids that allow for birth year teams.     


From what I've heard, the Flight proposal came about due to "parent complaints" about having to travel to play teams that "weren't good enough to provide competition" and this was in essence a punitive system meant to discourage those teams from punching above their weight class, and simultaneously protecting the top Flight teams from having to play teams from ever having to play teams that are beneath them. 


Historically, many of the suspect teams happened to be composed of younger birth year teams, using Tier2 as a training ground prior to their jump to AAA.   Of course there have also been an even greater number of teams that were just completely overmatched that weren't these AAA-in-waiting teams, but the feeling coming from the play-up teams is that it doesn't matter if they lose all their games, because playing up to Squirt from Mite, and Squirt to Peewee is seasoning and preparation for the AAA tournaments they will play.    They literally have no incentive to stop the practice, and rather than just change the rules so these teams can no longer take a 90%+ roster and play up a division, CAHA came up with this unnecessary Flighting system. 


The irony is that it isn't even applicable to Bantam and U16 where the phenomenon of playing up doesn't exist, and it's also ill timed because they are not allowing the Mites to play up anymore (SCAHA rule 19.04) No 8U aged player may play up.

Coming off the 180 degree turn on CAHA weekends, it would have been far wiser to utilize the existing rules for a year and see how things stabilized, but instead we can all once again be test subjects for another CAHA experiment.

   




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Umm.  Yes,  there are kids that play up in AAA u16. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 06, 2017, 01:45:33 PM
Yes, I know that, but are there entire teams playing up for some strategic competitive reason?  I've never heard of such a thing.  With U15 national championships USA Hockey is actively discouraging the idea and encouraging birth year competition.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on September 06, 2017, 02:07:41 PM
Just for Funzies  here is a list of CA national championship teams (Tier I and Tier II)  - excluding the gals for this exercise 
and who they played.  Its been a while since we were competitive at the national level.  Not sure if "flighting" is a way to solve this drought



2009Youth Tier II 14UFrisco, TexasLos Angeles Selects, CAAllen Park Huskies, MI
2008Youth Tier I 12UHackensack, New JerseyLos Angeles Selects, CADetroit Honeybaked, MI
2007Youth Tier II 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Stars, CASouthern Connecticut Stars, CT
2006Youth Tier II 14UEast Lansing, MichiganLos Angeles Hockey Club, CALong Island Rebels, NY
2006Youth Tier I 16URochester, New YorkCalifornia Wave, CANew Jersey Devils, NJ
2006Youth Tier I 14URochester, New YorkLos Angeles Selects, CARochester Americans, NY
2004Youth Tier II 16UEllenton, FloridaLong Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CAEllenton Eels, FL
2003Youth Tier I 16UMarlboro, MassachusettsLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CANew Jersey Rockets, NJ
2003Youth Tier I 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Wave 88's, CAShattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN
2002Youth Tier I 14UColorado Springs, ColoradoLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CAMadison Capitols, WI
2000Youth Tier I 12UAnchorage, AlaskaLos Angeles Junior Kings, CADetroit Little Caesars, MI
1997Youth Tier II 14UBismarck, North DakotaLos Angeles Wildcats, CANorth Andover Knights, MA
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on September 06, 2017, 03:25:17 PM
Just for Funzies  here is a list of CA national championship teams (Tier I and Tier II)  - excluding the gals for this exercise 
and who they played.  Its been a while since we were competitive at the national level.  Not sure if "flighting" is a way to solve this drought



2009Youth Tier II 14UFrisco, TexasLos Angeles Selects, CAAllen Park Huskies, MI
2008Youth Tier I 12UHackensack, New JerseyLos Angeles Selects, CADetroit Honeybaked, MI
2007Youth Tier II 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Stars, CASouthern Connecticut Stars, CT
2006Youth Tier II 14UEast Lansing, MichiganLos Angeles Hockey Club, CALong Island Rebels, NY
2006Youth Tier I 16URochester, New YorkCalifornia Wave, CANew Jersey Devils, NJ
2006Youth Tier I 14URochester, New YorkLos Angeles Selects, CARochester Americans, NY
2004Youth Tier II 16UEllenton, FloridaLong Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CAEllenton Eels, FL
2003Youth Tier I 16UMarlboro, MassachusettsLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CANew Jersey Rockets, NJ
2003Youth Tier I 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Wave 88's, CAShattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN
2002Youth Tier I 14UColorado Springs, ColoradoLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CAMadison Capitols, WI
2000Youth Tier I 12UAnchorage, AlaskaLos Angeles Junior Kings, CADetroit Little Caesars, MI
1997Youth Tier II 14UBismarck, North DakotaLos Angeles Wildcats, CANorth Andover Knights, MA

Interesting.  Any thoughts about why the drop-off since 2008/09?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 06, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
Just for Funzies  here is a list of CA national championship teams (Tier I and Tier II)  - excluding the gals for this exercise 
and who they played.  Its been a while since we were competitive at the national level.  Not sure if "flighting" is a way to solve this drought



2009Youth Tier II 14UFrisco, TexasLos Angeles Selects, CAAllen Park Huskies, MI
2008Youth Tier I 12UHackensack, New JerseyLos Angeles Selects, CADetroit Honeybaked, MI
2007Youth Tier II 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Stars, CASouthern Connecticut Stars, CT
2006Youth Tier II 14UEast Lansing, MichiganLos Angeles Hockey Club, CALong Island Rebels, NY
2006Youth Tier I 16URochester, New YorkCalifornia Wave, CANew Jersey Devils, NJ
2006Youth Tier I 14URochester, New YorkLos Angeles Selects, CARochester Americans, NY
2004Youth Tier II 16UEllenton, FloridaLong Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CAEllenton Eels, FL
2003Youth Tier I 16UMarlboro, MassachusettsLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CANew Jersey Rockets, NJ
2003Youth Tier I 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Wave 88's, CAShattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN
2002Youth Tier I 14UColorado Springs, ColoradoLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CAMadison Capitols, WI
2000Youth Tier I 12UAnchorage, AlaskaLos Angeles Junior Kings, CADetroit Little Caesars, MI
1997Youth Tier II 14UBismarck, North DakotaLos Angeles Wildcats, CANorth Andover Knights, MA

As my daughter would say Cool story Bro!

This has zero to do with the silly flight system and the fact that CAHA is killing CA hockey. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on September 06, 2017, 04:53:48 PM
The flight system IS silly and CAHA IS killing CA Hockey.   Youth Hockey survives in spite of CAHA, not because of CAHA.


The reason why we did so well back in the day for a stretch was because there were not a lot of clubs doing AAA back then / nor AA for that matter - most clubs were A/B only.    The Elite player pool was tighter, had fewer options hence they stayed together for several years.    Only a few coaches coached at that level as well.  It was not a business per se.  For example..  if you did not play on the WAVE 89 Team,  You just did not play on AAA.   Also.. It was pretty cut throat, if a AA player from the Wave player wanting on AAA team did not make tryouts, they were cut - sometimes from the club.   Little concern for please "stay in the club".  You were done.  Pretty brutal, but effective in simply getting best players on team.
The concept now is keeping the player in your club from 8-18 - possibly at the expense of talent.


I think the talent order of appearance over time was the JR Kings, then the WAVE, then LA Hockey.  When LA Hockey came on-board,  other clubs started catching on that if they ALSO developed a AAA program, they can keep those AA players.. and keep all those A players.   More AAA teams also gave 2nd line / 3rd line players the chance to be 1st line material at another newer AAA club.. dilution of talent.. as simple as that.  13 years ago.. that player would have been SOL  and would have to play AA hockey, or stop playing.


You can always create more clubs and AAA Teams, but you cannot simply create more talent.


If you really want to solve it you:
take the current set of AAA teams and you keep the top 20% of players and let the rest go  they are not AAA material.  Create two teams at each level (no major, no minor) - Don't care what club runs them.. heck they can switch it up every year of they like.  But 2 teams for so-cal period per age group period.  The rest can go play AA, and so on down the line it goes.


You would once again have a powerhouse AAA presence, and players that are fortunate enough and/or talented enough will get better faster. 


Anything short of that, though, results in average teams that bow out in Nationals, empty promises, and a big dent in your bank account for spending a ton of dough.


I probably have a lot of facts wrong, but that is how I view the current state of  tier hockey. 


This issue.. and of course the absurd overreaching punitive nature of CAHA.. is killing AAA/AA hockey.







Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on September 06, 2017, 05:35:51 PM
Just for Funzies  here is a list of CA national championship teams (Tier I and Tier II)  - excluding the gals for this exercise 
and who they played.  Its been a while since we were competitive at the national level.  Not sure if "flighting" is a way to solve this drought



2009Youth Tier II 14UFrisco, TexasLos Angeles Selects, CAAllen Park Huskies, MI
2008Youth Tier I 12UHackensack, New JerseyLos Angeles Selects, CADetroit Honeybaked, MI
2007Youth Tier II 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Stars, CASouthern Connecticut Stars, CT
2006Youth Tier II 14UEast Lansing, MichiganLos Angeles Hockey Club, CALong Island Rebels, NY
2006Youth Tier I 16URochester, New YorkCalifornia Wave, CANew Jersey Devils, NJ
2006Youth Tier I 14URochester, New YorkLos Angeles Selects, CARochester Americans, NY
2004Youth Tier II 16UEllenton, FloridaLong Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CAEllenton Eels, FL
2003Youth Tier I 16UMarlboro, MassachusettsLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CANew Jersey Rockets, NJ
2003Youth Tier I 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Wave 88's, CAShattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN
2002Youth Tier I 14UColorado Springs, ColoradoLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CAMadison Capitols, WI
2000Youth Tier I 12UAnchorage, AlaskaLos Angeles Junior Kings, CADetroit Little Caesars, MI
1997Youth Tier II 14UBismarck, North DakotaLos Angeles Wildcats, CANorth Andover Knights, MA

Interesting.  Any thoughts about why the drop-off since 2008/09?


Way more talent leaving the State would be my guess.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Ziegler on September 06, 2017, 05:40:18 PM
2 teams per age group. That's a cozy 3 game league season and Best of 3 state final. Lot of money for that few games. Unless I'm misinterpreting your idea.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on September 06, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
No.. you spend all your money going east and playing in tournaments - and joining an elite league member.   And you practice your pants off.  These kids were good - practiced all the time,  played in a several showcases, then went to nationals and beat everyone.  It did not cost as much as you think.


Playing is a  big state tier I league where everyone is average is the real waste of money. IMO
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Kangaroo Jack on September 06, 2017, 06:33:47 PM
Hey I am just a stupid white guy (Plantation Peach) to be PC but didn't 2010 Orange County HC beat Florida 16aa Philadelphia. JD (Jr Kings Coach) and JB do not know where his is coaching now. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on September 06, 2017, 08:41:33 PM

Just for Funzies  here is a list of CA national championship teams (Tier I and Tier II)  - excluding the gals for this exercise 
and who they played.  Its been a while since we were competitive at the national level.  Not sure if "flighting" is a way to solve this drought



2009Youth Tier II 14UFrisco, TexasLos Angeles Selects, CAAllen Park Huskies, MI
2008Youth Tier I 12UHackensack, New JerseyLos Angeles Selects, CADetroit Honeybaked, MI
2007Youth Tier II 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Stars, CASouthern Connecticut Stars, CT
2006Youth Tier II 14UEast Lansing, MichiganLos Angeles Hockey Club, CALong Island Rebels, NY
2006Youth Tier I 16URochester, New YorkCalifornia Wave, CANew Jersey Devils, NJ
2006Youth Tier I 14URochester, New YorkLos Angeles Selects, CARochester Americans, NY
2004Youth Tier II 16UEllenton, FloridaLong Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CAEllenton Eels, FL
2003Youth Tier I 16UMarlboro, MassachusettsLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CANew Jersey Rockets, NJ
2003Youth Tier I 14UBuffalo, New YorkCalifornia Wave 88's, CAShattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN
2002Youth Tier I 14UColorado Springs, ColoradoLos Angeles Jr. Kings, CAMadison Capitols, WI
2000Youth Tier I 12UAnchorage, AlaskaLos Angeles Junior Kings, CADetroit Little Caesars, MI
1997Youth Tier II 14UBismarck, North DakotaLos Angeles Wildcats, CANorth Andover Knights, MA

As my daughter would say Cool story Bro!

This has zero to do with the silly flight system and the fact that CAHA is killing CA hockey. 


Here is a thought... if the clubs & customers now know this Flight selection is the procedure, then why not produce more so called AA teams at tryouts?   Worst case is your A players will be in AA flight 2.   This unfortunately encourages playing above your level, unintended opposite consequences from an apparent attempt prevent it.



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on September 07, 2017, 07:29:51 AM
Hey I am just a stupid white guy (Plantation Peach) to be PC but didn't 2010 Orange County HC beat Florida 16aa Philadelphia. JD (Jr Kings Coach) and JB do not know where his is coaching now.


I think I did not count those because that was first year they had 4 national champions for each division


Stars could be in there as well



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on September 07, 2017, 07:43:25 AM
The flight system IS silly and CAHA IS killing CA Hockey.   Youth Hockey survives in spite of CAHA, not because of CAHA.


The reason why we did so well back in the day for a stretch was because there were not a lot of clubs doing AAA back then / nor AA for that matter - most clubs were A/B only.    The Elite player pool was tighter, had fewer options hence they stayed together for several years.    Only a few coaches coached at that level as well.  It was not a business per se.  For example..  if you did not play on the WAVE 89 Team,  You just did not play on AAA.   Also.. It was pretty cut throat, if a AA player from the Wave player wanting on AAA team did not make tryouts, they were cut - sometimes from the club.   Little concern for please "stay in the club".  You were done.  Pretty brutal, but effective in simply getting best players on team.
The concept now is keeping the player in your club from 8-18 - possibly at the expense of talent.

I think the talent order of appearance over time was the JR Kings, then the WAVE, then LA Hockey.  When LA Hockey came on-board,  other clubs started catching on that if they ALSO developed a AAA program, they can keep those AA players.. and keep all those A players.   More AAA teams also gave 2nd line / 3rd line players the chance to be 1st line material at another newer AAA club.. dilution of talent.. as simple as that.  13 years ago.. that player would have been SOL  and would have to play AA hockey, or stop playing.


You can always create more clubs and AAA Teams, but you cannot simply create more talent.
If you really want to solve it you:
take the current set of AAA teams and you keep the top 20% of players and let the rest go  they are not AAA material.  Create two teams at each level (no major, no minor) - Don't care what club runs them.. heck they can switch it up every year of they like.  But 2 teams for so-cal period per age group period.  The rest can go play AA, and so on down the line it goes.


You would once again have a powerhouse AAA presence, and players that are fortunate enough and/or talented enough will get better faster. 


Anything short of that, though, results in average teams that bow out in Nationals, empty promises, and a big dent in your bank account for spending a ton of dough.


I probably have a lot of facts wrong, but that is how I view the current state of  tier hockey. 


This issue.. and of course the absurd overreaching punitive nature of CAHA.. is killing AAA/AA hockey.
Spot on assessment. 2 AAA 03 teams this year are prime examples of this.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 07, 2017, 08:51:39 AM
The flight system IS silly and CAHA IS killing CA Hockey.   Youth Hockey survives in spite of CAHA, not because of CAHA.


The reason why we did so well back in the day for a stretch was because there were not a lot of clubs doing AAA back then / nor AA for that matter - most clubs were A/B only.    The Elite player pool was tighter, had fewer options hence they stayed together for several years.    Only a few coaches coached at that level as well.  It was not a business per se.  For example..  if you did not play on the WAVE 89 Team,  You just did not play on AAA.   Also.. It was pretty cut throat, if a AA player from the Wave player wanting on AAA team did not make tryouts, they were cut - sometimes from the club.   Little concern for please "stay in the club".  You were done.  Pretty brutal, but effective in simply getting best players on team.
The concept now is keeping the player in your club from 8-18 - possibly at the expense of talent.


This issue.. and of course the absurd overreaching punitive nature of CAHA.. is killing AAA/AA hockey.




It's funny you would say this.  Because at the '05 level, the best team in the country the last few years has been the Philly Little Flyers that play out of Aston, PA.  Interesting to see that they already have lost a game this season in tournament play, to a team from New Jersey.  There are easily 10 AAA teams within the 1-1.5 hour drive radius, and any number of those teams will be ranked in the top 20 nationally, with quite a few in the Top10. 


How does that jibe with your dissolution of talent theory?  Countries like Finland and Sweden do not stress early specialization in hockey.  They stress multiple sports and the development of athleticism, and routinely create professional players at a high number when looking at overall population.  I keep seeing this narrative articulated over and over that the important thing is that California should have a few AAA teams where all the talent is concentrated and that these teams will then win all the championships and this will be good for hockey. 


I can't for the life of me understand this thinking.  Youth hockey is a sport, and the sport is for the enjoyment of its participants.  Other people on these boards have brought up the low percentage of AAA players the state has vs. the overall player base.  CAHA has fully embraced the philosophy you espouse, and it hasn't been producing national championships (which is something that will always be reserved for a select few (and involves a lot of right place, right time, plain old luck).


There's that popular Brick video floating around, where a couple of Toronto teams were playing each other, and the ice is full of future NHL'ers (Stamkos, Jordan Eberle, Martin Jones, Michael Del Zotto, etc).  Nobody up there is fretting over the fact that they don't create one "super 10 year old team" and make sure that they keep that team together for 6 years so they can rack up as many youth hockey championships as possible.  Out of all those super teams from the good old days, how many continued up into the highest levels of hockey? 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Hockey05 on September 07, 2017, 09:13:19 AM
I agree with Icadad's post.  This is probably my biggest problem with CAHA.  I believe they want recognition at the national level before anything else.  They've created a system in which 3-5 teams can play at every single birth year and it is failing.  They've created a system in which smaller clubs like the Bears are fielding very strong teams but they cannot meet the AAA requirements or they don't want to bother with it. 

[size=78%]The systems they have put into place are forcing players to leave the state. [/size]This is contrary to the USA Hockey model and denying development opportunities.  Let's examine the 14 AAA options last year for the entire state of California.  All of the teams were based in Southern California.  If you were up North you were S.O.L.  Any AAA players up there needed to move back East or down South.  Three of the teams were in the greater Los Angeles area with one being controlled by the Jr Ducks and two teams run out of El Segundo by the Jr Kings.     
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 07, 2017, 09:58:39 AM
The flight system IS silly and CAHA IS killing CA Hockey.   Youth Hockey survives in spite of CAHA, not because of CAHA.


The reason why we did so well back in the day for a stretch was because there were not a lot of clubs doing AAA back then / nor AA for that matter - most clubs were A/B only.    The Elite player pool was tighter, had fewer options hence they stayed together for several years.    Only a few coaches coached at that level as well.  It was not a business per se.  For example..  if you did not play on the WAVE 89 Team,  You just did not play on AAA.   Also.. It was pretty cut throat, if a AA player from the Wave player wanting on AAA team did not make tryouts, they were cut - sometimes from the club.   Little concern for please "stay in the club".  You were done.  Pretty brutal, but effective in simply getting best players on team.
The concept now is keeping the player in your club from 8-18 - possibly at the expense of talent.


This issue.. and of course the absurd overreaching punitive nature of CAHA.. is killing AAA/AA hockey.




It's funny you would say this.  Because at the '05 level, the best team in the country the last few years has been the Philly Little Flyers that play out of Aston, PA.  Interesting to see that they already have lost a game this season in tournament play, to a team from New Jersey.  There are easily 10 AAA teams within the 1-1.5 hour drive radius, and any number of those teams will be ranked in the top 20 nationally, with quite a few in the Top10. 


How does that jibe with your dissolution of talent theory?  Countries like Finland and Sweden do not stress early specialization in hockey.  They stress multiple sports and the development of athleticism, and routinely create professional players at a high number when looking at overall population.  I keep seeing this narrative articulated over and over that the important thing is that California should have a few AAA teams where all the talent is concentrated and that these teams will then win all the championships and this will be good for hockey. 


I can't for the life of me understand this thinking.  Youth hockey is a sport, and the sport is for the enjoyment of its participants.  Other people on these boards have brought up the low percentage of AAA players the state has vs. the overall player base.  CAHA has fully embraced the philosophy you espouse, and it hasn't been producing national championships (which is something that will always be reserved for a select few (and involves a lot of right place, right time, plain old luck).


There's that popular Brick video floating around, where a couple of Toronto teams were playing each other, and the ice is full of future NHL'ers (Stamkos, Jordan Eberle, Martin Jones, Michael Del Zotto, etc).  Nobody up there is fretting over the fact that they don't create one "super 10 year old team" and make sure that they keep that team together for 6 years so they can rack up as many youth hockey championships as possible.  Out of all those super teams from the good old days, how many continued up into the highest levels of hockey?
Holy shit......can you keep your rambles to the Cliff Note versions. :)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: coachbombay on September 07, 2017, 10:48:18 AM
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Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on September 07, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
The flight system IS silly and CAHA IS killing CA Hockey.   Youth Hockey survives in spite of CAHA, not because of CAHA.


The reason why we did so well back in the day for a stretch was because there were not a lot of clubs doing AAA back then / nor AA for that matter - most clubs were A/B only.    The Elite player pool was tighter, had fewer options hence they stayed together for several years.    Only a few coaches coached at that level as well.  It was not a business per se.  For example..  if you did not play on the WAVE 89 Team,  You just did not play on AAA.   Also.. It was pretty cut throat, if a AA player from the Wave player wanting on AAA team did not make tryouts, they were cut - sometimes from the club.   Little concern for please "stay in the club".  You were done.  Pretty brutal, but effective in simply getting best players on team.
The concept now is keeping the player in your club from 8-18 - possibly at the expense of talent.


This issue.. and of course the absurd overreaching punitive nature of CAHA.. is killing AAA/AA hockey.




It's funny you would say this.  Because at the '05 level, the best team in the country the last few years has been the Philly Little Flyers that play out of Aston, PA.  Interesting to see that they already have lost a game this season in tournament play, to a team from New Jersey.  There are easily 10 AAA teams within the 1-1.5 hour drive radius, and any number of those teams will be ranked in the top 20 nationally, with quite a few in the Top10. 


How does that jibe with your dissolution of talent theory?  Countries like Finland and Sweden do not stress early specialization in hockey.  They stress multiple sports and the development of athleticism, and routinely create professional players at a high number when looking at overall population.  I keep seeing this narrative articulated over and over that the important thing is that California should have a few AAA teams where all the talent is concentrated and that these teams will then win all the championships and this will be good for hockey. 


I can't for the life of me understand this thinking.  Youth hockey is a sport, and the sport is for the enjoyment of its participants.  Other people on these boards have brought up the low percentage of AAA players the state has vs. the overall player base.  CAHA has fully embraced the philosophy you espouse, and it hasn't been producing national championships (which is something that will always be reserved for a select few (and involves a lot of right place, right time, plain old luck).


There's that popular Brick video floating around, where a couple of Toronto teams were playing each other, and the ice is full of future NHL'ers (Stamkos, Jordan Eberle, Martin Jones, Michael Del Zotto, etc).  Nobody up there is fretting over the fact that they don't create one "super 10 year old team" and make sure that they keep that team together for 6 years so they can rack up as many youth hockey championships as possible.  Out of all those super teams from the good old days, how many continued up into the highest levels of hockey?


Most of the AAA teams (we are talking bantam and midget) for the early 2000's  had kids that were simply great athletes - at everything.  I feel this is why they were such good teams.  There was no year round hockey,  and when there were 2 AAA bantam teams,  they practiced all the time  (a ratio of 4+ practices per game)  vs 2-3 practices to every game.


And great players were ok playing AA.   AA was more the minor teams, and AAA was more the major teams in a division.


I agree with your point,  any kid 12 and under should focus on being as well rounded athlete (Hockey in winter, baseball / lacrosse is spring / soccer in summer.. what ever floats their boat.   and of course, a good dose of roller hockey to really have some fun.


If you want to level set the game and get great competition at all levels, it starts at the top.  Only a couple teams at each AAA level,  let the rest play AA, then let the marginal AA's play A, and so it goes. 


our system right now puts kids into a track where they have to participate 12 months out of the year in order to be a AAA kid.   (Probably not good for kid)

this does usually three things
1) makes the kid not like hockey
2) makes a marginally skilled player a better then average player over time  (but never usually a great player).
3) siphons your bank account to the tune of $30+k per year.


There are exceptions no doubt,  but the kid has to love it, and has to be a tremendous athlete anyways(in general at all sports).   We all know those kids, every generation has them - he or she was maybe you neighbor down the street growing up.  They are simply great at virtually any/all sports.   Make the hard look easy,  and will take summers off, and with only a few weeks of training, already are back in form and ahead of most everyone else.  You combine that skill with a passion for their chosen sport, and they are the ones that advance. 












   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 08, 2017, 01:05:33 PM
Interesting from the Pee Wee AA tread.

Sharks will face two A teams this weekend to try and prove they belong in AA.

Umm Hello Kings 2? in Bantam AA
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on September 09, 2017, 01:35:29 PM
Trouble in paradise. Heard top like for JD1 calling other teams. They may be leaving as the coach hasnt made it to many practices. Their defense looked bad against bears in a running clock 1:30 penalty kills.  That will look worse in a real game 2 minute pk or worse in a 5 on 3 Pk.


Their 4th top point producer is a forward that is being asked to play D. JK1 looked decent against empire in 2-1 loss in a scrimmage.


What happens if Jd1 loses players and Jk1 does better in Scaha games until flights are announced. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 09, 2017, 03:16:14 PM
Trouble in paradise. Heard top like for JD1 calling other teams. They may be leaving as the coach hasnt made it to many practices. Their defense looked bad against bears in a running clock 1:30 penalty kills.  That will look worse in a real game 2 minute pk or worse in a 5 on 3 Pk.


Their 4th top point producer is a forward that is being asked to play D. JK1 looked decent against empire in 2-1 loss in a scrimmage.


What happens if Jd1 loses players and Jk1 does better in Scaha games until flights are announced. Any ideas?
Don't worry WIPIH, hypocrisy  reigns and it's good to be the  king(s). 


The problem with the JDs may run deeper than the coach (wouldn't doubt if he's shown the door), heard one player say, "These guys don't know how to lose."  That tells me that even though they have a talented team on paper, they may be some pain in the asses also, that can be toxic . Good luck to them though, there are some good families over there.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 09, 2017, 06:56:56 PM
You hit the nail on the head trans... that Coach is not capable of handling some of those personalities.  I do feel bad for some of those families
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Bystander on September 10, 2017, 12:23:30 PM
JK1 easily handled Jr. Reign 7-0. They looked like a AA team today.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 10, 2017, 02:28:25 PM
JK1 easily handled Jr. Reign 7-0. They looked like a AA team today.

Let's review.

In San Jose last weekend JK1's results were:

JK1 vs GSE(2) 1-5 LOSS
JK1 vs Wave(2) 1-1 TIE
JK1 vs Jr. Ducks(1) 0-2 LOSS
JK1 vs Sharks 2-3 LOSS

Does beating the Jr. Reign 7-0 mean the JK1 squad belongs in AA? At the evaluation jamboree the Jr. Reign turned in the following performance:

Jr. Reign vs Empire 1-9 LOSS
Jr. Reign vs JK(2) 4-2 WIN
Jr. Reign vs Saints 0-7 LOSS
Jr. Reign vs Jr. Ducks(2) 0-3 LOSS

The only win the Jr. Reign had was against a team that, most would agree, is the weakest AA team in the state - Jr. Kings(2). Jr. Reign is probably the next weakest team currently playing AA.

Many believe that Jr. Kings(1) will be given preferential treatment simply because they are a big club with lots of political connections in CAHA. Likewise, the Jr. Reign Hockey Club has a president that sits on the CAHA Board and probably has enough pull to make sure his lowly AA team gets to remain AA. Most would argue the Jr. Reign team should drop to A.

That said, it's good to be a King. Jr. Kings(1) has been given a very easy upcoming schedule. Two of their first three games after the evaluation jamboree are against, you guessed it, Jr. Kings(2) and the Jr. Reign.

This will tell CAHA nothing. Jr. Kings(1) don't have to face the Bears and they don't have to play OCHC(1) or any other of the other powerhouse teams.  In my view, there are a couple possibilities as to why this must be:

1) The decision has already been made that Jr. Kings(1) is not a top flight team so there is no sense having them play top flight teams.

or

2) The decision has already been made that CAHA is going to give their friends in El Segundo an early Christmas present and put them in the top flight regardless of their performance. CAHA does not want to be embarrassed by having Jr. Kings(1) get beat too many more times before flights are announced, so the early schedule was kept intentionally easy.

Can a proper evaluation of teams be made after a four-game weekend in San Jose? I don't think so, but it's the whacky system the CAHA folks decided to force-feed us. It's been made more difficult for them, however, because the teams that were supposed to win didn't win.

Instead, we're starting to hear things like, "Well, they didn't win any games, but I saw them play and they are really good and belong in the top flight." Participation ribbons are just around the corner...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 10, 2017, 05:11:57 PM
Please post scores for today...


Only ones I know are:


JD1. Big over OC2


OC1 big over JD2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Deuce on September 10, 2017, 05:28:51 PM
Empire won 7-3 if I remember correctly
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 10, 2017, 06:47:09 PM
Bears over Wave2, 10-3
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: UhhhhDuhhhh on September 10, 2017, 07:51:10 PM
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers.  Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3.  Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions.  IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense...  PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: hckyparent on September 10, 2017, 08:12:31 PM
JK(2) over Lady Ducks. 4-0
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 10, 2017, 08:21:02 PM
JK(2) over Lady Ducks. 4-0


Thank you, CAHA. ;)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 10, 2017, 08:35:20 PM
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers.  Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3.  Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions.  IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense...  PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.


Well said.... stick tap to you
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: station26 on September 10, 2017, 10:24:10 PM
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers.  Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3.  Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions.  IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense...  PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.

Nailed it...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 11, 2017, 08:47:38 AM
Empire beat Kings 1 Saturday in a scrimmage, 3-1.
Saints score was 8-3 on Sunday.

On a side note, the officiating at yesterday's game was total dog s--t.  Not the linesmen per se, but the ref was a complete ass from BEFORE the puck drop.  Called an "unsportsman-like conduct" because one of our players chased a puck across the red line during warm-ups and it went all downhill from there.  What a douche.  First time I've seen that call since the enacted the stupid rule several years ago.  This is the reason for my screen name and avatar.  A ref's ego has no place in the game.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 11, 2017, 09:17:18 AM
Lower your standards BZ and you won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 11, 2017, 09:27:59 AM
Lower your standards BZ and you won't be disappointed.
No doubt.  After all of these years I thought the refs would be get better the older my kid got, huge mistake on my part.  Although, our past two scrimmages we had great officials so yeah, maybe my expectations were a bit high...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Deuce on September 11, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
I watched that Empire game yesterday and that ref was completely unprofessional. Literally arguing with the coach as play was going on and not even looking at the action. Back to the play and arguing with the Empire coach.


Regardless of bad calls or non-calls the behavior by that ref was insane.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 11, 2017, 09:59:04 AM
Was game in Ontario or the Kingdom ?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Deuce on September 11, 2017, 09:59:43 AM
Ontario
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on September 11, 2017, 12:04:13 PM
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers.  Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3.  Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions.  IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense...  PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.

I'm not sure that's the right takeaway.  None of the "03 vs. 04" SCAHA games that were played this weekend actually pitted a bubble 03 team against a bubble 04 team.  To the contrary, all seemed designed to be blowouts (to the extent anybody gave any thought to it).  These were certainly not the games anyone at SCAHA would have scheduled if they were looking for competitive 03 vs. 04 matchups, of which there could have been some.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: UhhhhDuhhhh on September 11, 2017, 01:27:17 PM
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers.  Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3.  Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions.  IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense...  PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.

I'm not sure that's the right takeaway.  None of the "03 vs. 04" SCAHA games that were played this weekend actually pitted a bubble 03 team against a bubble 04 team.  To the contrary, all seemed designed to be blowouts (to the extent anybody gave any thought to it).  These were certainly not the games anyone at SCAHA would have scheduled if they were looking for competitive 03 vs. 04 matchups, of which there could have been some.

Which 03 vs 04 matchup would you like to see? Let me Guess Wave 2 vs Kings 1? My point was that there's a very clear difference in these age groups due to puberty except for Wave 77 and a few others. Being a bubble team as 04 is a sign of good things to come but certainly doesn’t put you in a category of competing with the top 03 teams in the State (GSE’s, OC1, Bears, Sharks, Ducks 1 etc…).  Getting beat in the Top division all year may be a good thing for development or winning the Bottom division and playing in tougher tournaments and obviously the SCAHA exhibition games may be just as beneficial.  Hopefully you land where you want to so you can pound your chest.  The kids probably don’t care so much.  Good Luck!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on September 11, 2017, 01:38:03 PM
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers.  Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3.  Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions.  IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense...  PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.

I'm not sure that's the right takeaway.  None of the "03 vs. 04" SCAHA games that were played this weekend actually pitted a bubble 03 team against a bubble 04 team.  To the contrary, all seemed designed to be blowouts (to the extent anybody gave any thought to it).  These were certainly not the games anyone at SCAHA would have scheduled if they were looking for competitive 03 vs. 04 matchups, of which there could have been some.

Which 03 vs 04 matchup would you like to see? Let me Guess Wave 2 vs Kings 1? My point was that there's a very clear difference in these age groups due to puberty except for Wave 77 and a few others. Being a bubble team as 04 is a sign of good things to come but certainly doesn’t put you in a category of competing with the top 03 teams in the State (GSE’s, OC1, Bears, Sharks, Ducks 1 etc…).  Getting beat in the Top division all year may be a good thing for development or winning the Bottom division and playing in tougher tournaments and obviously the SCAHA exhibition games may be just as beneficial.  Hopefully you land where you want to so you can pound your chest.  The kids probably don’t care so much.  Good Luck!




Agree with you UHHHHDUHHHH maybe there needs to be a change in the way they arrange the Bantam division due to the size difference going on with kids going through puberty...however it seems that there wouldn't be that many 04's to create a division for just that age group. Also I am surprised that the Wave 77 isn't with an 03 team...he is big enough or is he an actual 03?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 11, 2017, 01:58:39 PM
I think he's an 04
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 11, 2017, 02:00:22 PM
Wave2 does not have any 03 players.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: OneandDone on September 11, 2017, 02:05:50 PM
Agree with you UHHHHDUHHHH maybe there needs to be a change in the way they arrange the Bantam division due to the size difference going on with kids going through puberty...however it seems that there wouldn't be that many 04's to create a division for just that age group. Also I am surprised that the Wave 77 isn't with an 03 team...he is big enough or is he an actual 03?

Wouldn't be fair to the smaller clubs who have to field mixed birth years because they don't have the numbers.  I think the way they're doing it is fine for Bantams and yes there will be disappointed PARENTS.  Some kids will be disappointed too for a day or two, then it's back to fun with their buddies.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 11, 2017, 02:16:56 PM
I have a great Idea for how to do a flight system in Bantams.

So we could call the very top AAA

Then the level below AA

Then A

Lastly have  B flight.

Sound good? Asking for a friend   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 11, 2017, 02:24:49 PM
My question is this:


Why isn't the Bears in AAA?


IIRC, they've already soundly defeated 3 AAA teams in the last month...


Oh wait, nevermind, just remembered about the feeder teams rule...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 11, 2017, 02:45:11 PM
My question is this:


Why isn't the Bears in AAA?


IIRC, they've already soundly defeated 3 AAA teams in the last month...


Oh wait, nevermind, just remembered about the feeder teams rule...


In talking with some of the parents, they don't want to go  AAA.
I would agree with them....not worth the  $$.
And too much time traveling.


Refreshing to see that 2 possibly 3 AA teams can not only compeat but  beat the " AAA" teams.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 11, 2017, 02:49:37 PM
Plus, you get to stomp the guts out of the competition all season long and breeze through to being state champs.  Sound great!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 11, 2017, 02:55:41 PM
I have a great Idea for how to do a flight system in Bantams.

So we could call the very top AAA

Then the level below AA

Then A

Lastly have  B flight.

Sound good? Asking for a friend   

I'll be your friend. However, the big clubs won't. I think your idea is a good one. Placing teams based on talent should be a no-brainer.

As we know, only certain clubs are allowed to have AAA programs at a given level. If memory serves me, there are 5 clubs at each level that are permitted by CAHA to ice AAA teams. Nobody else gets to. Why aren't the Bears a AAA team? Simple. Bears are not one of the chosen clubs. If that exact same team played in El Segundo or Anaheim they could be AAA. Regardless of talent, CAHA will not allow a Pickwick-based team to play AAA.

Did the Bears apply to be one of the AAA clubs? I don't know. Many parents don't want to deal with the additional travel, costs and missed school.

Last year CAHA made an announcement on their website that they had selected 5 clubs at each level (12AAA, 14AAA, 15AAA, 16AAA and 18AAA) that would be allowed to ice teams. The NHL-affiliated clubs were automatically chosen and allowed to have teams at every level. The remaining clubs were left to fight over the scraps. If you look at the declarations page on the SCAHA site you can get an idea of which clubs have permission to ice AAA teams in each age group.

It's no surprise the Bears have beaten three AAA teams. Long gone is the merit-based system. Being AAA isn't what it used to be.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: coachbombay on September 11, 2017, 03:08:38 PM
I heard PT is the one that does not want to do AAA.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 11, 2017, 03:25:22 PM
Send the top teams to AAA, Bears, GSE, etc.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on September 11, 2017, 03:27:51 PM
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers.  Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3.  Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions.  IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense...  PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.

I'm not sure that's the right takeaway.  None of the "03 vs. 04" SCAHA games that were played this weekend actually pitted a bubble 03 team against a bubble 04 team.  To the contrary, all seemed designed to be blowouts (to the extent anybody gave any thought to it).  These were certainly not the games anyone at SCAHA would have scheduled if they were looking for competitive 03 vs. 04 matchups, of which there could have been some.

Which 03 vs 04 matchup would you like to see? Let me Guess Wave 2 vs Kings 1? My point was that there's a very clear difference in these age groups due to puberty except for Wave 77 and a few others. Being a bubble team as 04 is a sign of good things to come but certainly doesn’t put you in a category of competing with the top 03 teams in the State (GSE’s, OC1, Bears, Sharks, Ducks 1 etc…).  Getting beat in the Top division all year may be a good thing for development or winning the Bottom division and playing in tougher tournaments and obviously the SCAHA exhibition games may be just as beneficial.  Hopefully you land where you want to so you can pound your chest.  The kids probably don’t care so much.  Good Luck!

UhhhhDuhhhh, didn't realize your skin was so thin or I wouldn't have bothered responding.  Which of us was engaged in chest-beating now?  I made a reality-based comment.  I couldn't care less what preseason matchups SCAHA sets up, or what "purposeful messages" they might be trying to send, which it would be a fool's errand to figure out.  Good luck at States!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: UhhhhDuhhhh on September 11, 2017, 03:39:18 PM
UhhhhDuhhhh, I didn't realize your skin was so thin, or I wouldn't have bothered responding.  Which of the two of us was engaged in chest-beating?  I simply made a reality-based comment.  I couldn't care less about what preseason matchups SCAHA sets up or trying to divine what "purposeful messages" they might be trying to send, which is a fool's errand.  Good luck at States!

Funny! My kid won't be at States, he'll be in the Lower Tier
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on September 11, 2017, 03:41:43 PM
UhhhhDuhhhh, I didn't realize your skin was so thin, or I wouldn't have bothered responding.  Which of the two of us was engaged in chest-beating?  I simply made a reality-based comment.  I couldn't care less about what preseason matchups SCAHA sets up or trying to divine what "purposeful messages" they might be trying to send, which is a fool's errand.  Good luck at States!

Funny! My kid won't be at States, he'll be in the Lower Tier

And so will mine. See you there!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: OneandDone on September 11, 2017, 03:46:00 PM
I have a great Idea for how to do a flight system in Bantams.

So we could call the very top AAA

Then the level below AA

Then A

Lastly have  B flight.

Sound good? Asking for a friend   
Because the parents all complained that too many teams were in the wrong division.  “We drove all the way to the Wildcats and it was a waste of time”.  Guess what? The kids still had fun pounding on them!  Every now and then it’s fun to have a light week or a free square.   It’s the parents who had the problem and finally CAHA listened and guess what - more complaining. 

I would say you should just let the free market take its course.  If clubs want to continuously put a bad product on the ice, eventually it will catch up with them as everyone's looking for a winner.  Yes, you can change your rink and change your name but a spade is still a spade and it’s just a matter of time before the club has no interested kids – they all quit or go to other clubs.

The big organizations like Jr Ducks, OC, Wave, Kings have generally had enough kids to have 2 AA teams, 2 A teams and a B or 2.  OC at PW has 2 AA and 3 A and they are talking about moving one of the AAs down.  You can’t expect clubs not to field from the top down if you have the numbers to do it... they don’t want people walking out the door.  Sometimes the talent is just mediocre so everything gets out of whack.

To me the Bears are the one organization doing it right by fielding ONE AA team which is almost all major year kids with the exception of an outstanding minor year kid here or there and then those who don’t make it ACTUALLY STAY at the club instead of searching elsewhere and they end up with a really strong A team as well.  By consistently winning they will eventually have enough new bodies to do Major and Minor birth year teams at AA. Then maybe their A teams won’t be as strong, who knows...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Zam Dad on September 11, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
To me the Bears are the one organization doing it right by fielding ONE AA team which is almost all major year kids with the exception of an outstanding minor year kid here or there and then those who don’t make it ACTUALLY STAY at the club instead of searching elsewhere and they end up with a really strong A team as well.  By consistently winning they will eventually have enough new bodies to do Major and Minor birth year teams at AA. Then maybe their A teams won’t be as strong, who knows...

I agree 100%. But to often the minor aged kids moving up and the major aged kids have two different coaches that do not want to lose their teams (or egos by being relegated to the A team).  So you get 2 average to below average AA teams instead of a good AA team and a good A team. (I am looking at you Wave lol)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: PutYourFootOnTheGas on September 11, 2017, 05:56:46 PM
My question is this:


Why isn't the Bears in AAA?


IIRC, they've already soundly defeated 3 AAA teams in the last month...


Oh wait, nevermind, just remembered about the feeder teams rule...


So which 3 AAA teams have they beat?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 11, 2017, 06:19:10 PM

So which 3 AAA teams have they beat?

My bad, I think they only beat 2...

Ducks AAA 6-3
Gulls AAA 9-2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 11, 2017, 06:22:53 PM

So which 3 AAA teams have they beat?

My bad, I think they only beat 2...

Ducks AAA 6-3
Gulls AAA 9-2


I  watched that Ducks game.... it wasn't that close.... Bears dominated leading 4-0 after 1st.  Ducks had to fight to get the score respectable
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: PutYourFootOnTheGas on September 11, 2017, 06:38:36 PM

So which 3 AAA teams have they beat?

My bad, I think they only beat 2...

Ducks AAA 6-3
Gulls AAA 9-2


I  watched that Ducks game.... it wasn't that close.... Bears dominated leading 4-0 after 1st.  Ducks had to fight to get the score respectable


Impressive against Ducks. Gulls.......misplaced as AAA team. They've been getting hammered at that level for the last 3 years. Just got beat by the Kings 13-0 last weekend. If Bears were in AAA division would likely battle Sharks and Ducks for 2nd. They are all chasing the Kings.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on September 11, 2017, 06:44:15 PM
Why isn't anyone mentioning that the Bears list to the Ducks minor AAA team?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on September 11, 2017, 06:46:15 PM
I think it was 8-5
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 11, 2017, 06:48:08 PM
Why isn't anyone mentioning that the Bears list to the Ducks minor AAA team?

Is that the scrimmage they played before the Bears ever practiced together? Just wait till next weekend...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on September 11, 2017, 06:50:47 PM
Oh I see, that loss doesn't count since there is an excuse attached to it.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 11, 2017, 06:52:28 PM
Oh I see, that loss doesn't count since there is an excuse attached to it.

But having not ever practiced once is a pretty damn good excuse. Like I said, wait till next weekend...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on September 11, 2017, 06:54:42 PM
I don't have a dog in that fight.  Just thought that fact was absent from the discussion
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 11, 2017, 07:01:31 PM
I don't have a dog in that fight.  Just thought that fact was absent from the discussion

Me neither, but I'm willing to bet Bears will prevail this time around.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 11, 2017, 07:03:52 PM
So you get 2 average to below average AA teams instead of a good AA team and a good A team. (I am looking at you Wave lol)

Actually, this Bear team is an absolute anomaly.

Not taking anything away from the Bears, as I have been noticing that in the past few years, their program/teams have been all rather solid competitors. So they must be doing something right. But seriously, when was the last time you have an AA team that's handily beating up on AAA teams?! Watch, they're going to kick everybody's asses this year, except maybe 1 or 2 teams (GSE1/2 and a darkhorse team maaaaybe) that will give them a run for the money. I think the real reason Bears don't have a second or minor BantamAA team is because they simply don't have enough kids to field a second or a minor BantamAA team. I will bet that if they have enough kids to form a minor BantamAA team, they would.

About your LOL comment to the Wave, what's wrong with what they're doing? As far as I know, Wave and Kings are the only clubs fielding both an all-03 Major and an all-04 Minor teams at the Bantam AA level. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't know a thing about Wave1 (all-03 Major) so perhaps they're average or below average, I have no idea...

Wave2 was meant to be an all-04 minor team knowing that they will take their licks from the major and/or mixed teams. Wave2 kids belong in AA. If anything, they're arguably above average since they have already shown to be competitive with some mixed teams. It's the all-major teams they have trouble with, and that's absolutely expected in my opinion. Everybody knows the major teams are suppose to beat up on the minor teams. Obviously Wave could've combined the two BantamAA teams to form one, but I'm glad they didn't. I had my choices to join a few mixed team, but finding an all-04 BantamAA team was a bonus for us and hopefully the kids can stay and grow together as a unit. Calling one of the two only all-04 team average or below average is unwarranted. Have you ever seen a pure minor year tier team dominate their division with 95% major or mixed major/minor teams? No, you haven't.

It's too bad that BantamAA is not split into major and minor. Because if that was the case, Wave2 would be a top minor contender. But it is what it is and we went into BantamAA with no delusion that this team will win some, and lose some. Hopefully losing only to major teams and winning against the mixed ones...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 11, 2017, 08:16:46 PM
WW will take their lumps in the first few months on the season with mostly 03 teams.  By mid season (barring injury) they will catch up to the physical part of the 03 game.  For half the game vs Da Bears they were keeping up physically with them , it was 3-2 in the 2nd.  Half a game of duking it out with not only skilled kids but kids 36-75 lbs heavier took its toll. School was then in session.


 I would not want to have to play the WW post New Years to get into play downs.


 If team is able to stay together, next year will be another year of AA's kicking AAA ass.  ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 12, 2017, 12:56:58 AM
Now that we're all waiting for CAHA to hand down the verdict, I still stand by my original list as I believe this is how the early season ranking should be...

GSE2 (or Bears)
Bears (or GSE2)
OC1
GSE1
Empire
Blackhawks
Sharks
Wave1
Ducks1
Wave2
Kings1
Flyers
Saints
Mariners
OC2
Ducks2
Jr Reign
Kings2

But in reality, the list below is more likely what CAHA will dish out:

Top Flight:
1 - GSE2 (or Bears)
2 - Bears (or GSE2)
3 - GSE1
4 - OC1
5 - Empire
6 - Blackhawks
7 - Sharks
8 - Ducks1
9 - Wave1
10 - Kings1

Lower Flight:
11 - Wave2
12 - Flyers
13 - Mariners
14 - Saints
15 - OC2
16 - Ducks2
17 - Jr Reign
18 - Kings2

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 12, 2017, 06:19:53 AM
Now that we're all waiting for CAHA to hand down the verdict, I still stand by my original list as I believe this is how the early season ranking should be...

GSE2 (or Bears)
Bears (or GSE2)
OC1
GSE1
Empire
Blackhawks
Sharks
Wave1
Ducks1
Wave2
Kings1
Flyers
Saints
Mariners
OC2
Ducks2
Jr Reign
Kings2

But in reality, the list below is more likely what CAHA will dish out:

Top Flight:
1 - GSE2 (or Bears)
2 - Bears (or GSE2)
3 - GSE1
4 - OC1
5 - Empire
6 - Blackhawks
7 - Sharks
8 - Ducks1
9 - Wave1
10 - Kings1

Lower Flight:
11 - Wave2
12 - Flyers
13 - Mariners
14 - Saints
15 - OC2
16 - Ducks2
17 - Jr Reign
18 - Kings2


I believe Mariners have beaten Flyers twice in the last week yet you rank Flyers higher. Interesting. The fact that Kings(1) is ranked higher than both of them is based on what?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 12, 2017, 08:08:50 AM
I believe Mariners have beaten Flyers twice in the last week yet you rank Flyers higher. Interesting. The fact that Kings(1) is ranked higher than both of them is based on what?

My original list was based on results of Jamboree and Flyers did lose to Mariners IIRC... If someone would've post the score of the Mariner vs Flyers game(s) from last week, I would put Mariners above Flyers.

Obviously there's no way of accurately predicting where teams rank this early on but I think is safe to say Wave2, Flyers, Mariners, Kings1 and Saints are all middle of the pack. I believe you and I will agree that in reality, Kings1 will soon be placed in top flight, leaving the 4 mid level teams to duke it out for lower flight supremacy.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 12, 2017, 08:55:21 AM
The fact that Kings(1) is ranked higher than both of them is based on what?
Ummm, they're the Kings?  Please keep in mind who pulls the strings in California Hockey...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 12, 2017, 09:00:39 AM
I don't want to beat the proverbial dead horse, but you knew the results of San Jose when you made the list and still placed the losing team above the winning team. Does a team have to beat another team twice to be get a higher ranking?

As for Jr. Kings(1) I am not going to prematurely jump to conclusions and say they will be "selected" for the top flight. I suspect it may happen for all the wrong reasons but am going to withhold judgment until we see the final decisions from CAHA. There are no scores or stats supporting Kings(1) being placed in the top flight. They went winless in San Jose and have been given a pre-season schedule filled with bottom-ranked teams. They should run the table the next three weeks and that would still leave us with no new information.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on September 12, 2017, 09:14:24 AM
The fact that Kings(1) is ranked higher than both of them is based on what?
Ummm, they're the Kings?  Please keep in mind who pulls the strings in California Hockey...

On the other hand, maybe JK1 will ask to be put in the lower flight, where they would do well and have a real shot at making playdowns.  Doubtful, but you never know.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 12, 2017, 09:25:13 AM
Kings 1 coach already was telling other coaches his Kings 1 made flight one. Other coach said how could that be you didn't win a game? Kings coach said well it's not just based on wins.


It's good to be a King.  ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 12, 2017, 09:45:19 AM
I don't want to beat the proverbial dead horse, but you knew the results of San Jose when you made the list and still placed the losing team above the winning team. Does a team have to beat another team twice to be get a higher ranking?

Yes, you're right. Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I placed Flyers over Mariners. My bad. Flyers did lose to Mariners in Jamboree, but does it really matter? Like I said, the 4 mid pack teams will battle it out this season.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 12, 2017, 10:13:28 AM
No, it doesn't really matter. You're right.

It's just frustrating because a system has been put in place to evaluate teams but we're slowly learning that the "evaluation" isn't a fair one. In San Jose someone on our team also heard a Jr. Kings(1) coach say he was told by a CAHA evaluator that, even though his team couldn't eek out a win, they get to go to Flight 1.

Yet still I trust the rational minds will prevail. I couldn't imagine the folks at CAHA would place their integrity into question when so many players, parents, coaches and club presidents are watching so closely.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 12, 2017, 10:16:33 AM
No, it doesn't really matter. You're right.

It's just frustrating because a system has been put in place to evaluate teams but we're slowly learning that the "evaluation" isn't a fair one. In San Jose someone on our team also heard a Jr. Kings(1) coach say he was told by a CAHA evaluator that his then winless team would be a gifted a Flight 1 spot.

Yet still I trust the rational minds will prevail. I couldn't imagine the folks at CAHA would place their integrity into question when so many players, parents, coaches and club presidents are watching so closely.


You're saying you trust CAHA?

This might be the first thing I haven't agreed with you of all your posts.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 12, 2017, 11:20:09 AM
game scores shouldn't matter when evaluating teams. Kings 1 might not have won a game, but they only played top flight teams (with maybe the exception of Wave 2). I didn't get to watch their games against the Sharks, Duck1, or GSE2, but the scores were close enough. My guess is that the games were close enought to place them in the Top Flight. They tied Wave 2 but took it to them for most of the game.
I watched the Flyers play and they are not in the same league as the top flight teams. Didn't get to see the Mariners play. I did see the Saints and they are a very good team.
And for the conspiracy with CAHA and the SCAHA schedule, the SCAHA schedule was released to the clubs before the Jamboree, so I doubt that CAHA had any influence on the match ups.
CAHA does have the option to have any two teams play each other this coming weekend, but doesn't seem like they are doing so.
But in the end, depending what team your son is on, CAHA will get it wrong!

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 12, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
game scores shouldn't matter when evaluating teams. Kings 1 might not have won a game, but they only played top flight teams (with maybe the exception of Wave 2). .....But in the end, depending what team your son is on, CAHA will get it wrong!

I'm simply not buying it. The other teams did not get to choose their schedules. They played the teams CAHA asked them to play. Using your line of reasoning, CAHA could have very well given the Jr. Kings(1) a tough schedule knowing full well they could then use the "We didn't win any games but our schedule was really hard" argument.

It's sad. Really sad. The absolute sense of entitlement is difficult to watch.

CAHA will only get it wrong if they do their BFF's in ES a favor and give them what they did not earn.

....in my opinion.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 12, 2017, 12:28:32 PM
My guess is that the games were close enought to place them in the Top Flight. They tied Wave 2 but took it to them for most of the game.

Not that it matters now since it's a foregone conclusion that Kings1 will be in top flight. My honest take on the Kings1 vs Wave2 game at Jamboree is that Kings1 did play a better game with their bigger bodies, but trailed 1-0 most of the game and had trouble scoring, tied it on PP only when a Wave kid got a questionable 2 and 10.

When Angry Eskimos and Kings1 scrimmaged a few weeks back, Eskimos were missing kids and still managed to win 5-3 IIRC. So really, Kings1 is middle of the pack, like Saints, Flyers, Mariners, and Wave2. Placing them in top flight does raise questions. This isn't grenades and horseshoes, if Kings1 are 'close enough' then so are some other teams... But I get it, it is what it is and I'm ok with my son's team being placed in lower flight.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 12, 2017, 01:59:12 PM
I did see the Saints and they are a very good team.
Sorry Area51 but I beg to differ.


San Jose results:
6-0 loss to GSE2
6-0 loss to OC1
7-0 win over Jr Reign (that's not really saying much)
3-1 loss to WW


Sunday's SCAHA game:
8-3 loss to Empire (2 goals came on PP in a game where they had a huge advantage in penalties)


That's not good hockey for AA.  They might not be in the convo for relegation but they're probably in the lower half of the 2nd flight.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 13, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
I just want to send props to the manager of Jr. Ducks(2). It's been about three days since the teams played their first preseason games and s/he appears to be the only one who was able to successfully upload scores onto the SCAHA site.

According to information supplied by Jr. Kings(2), they played to a 0-0 tie with the Lady Ducks. Not sure that's accurate.

Nobody else even made the effort. This only applies to the managers of the home teams - Jr. Reign, Bears. Jr. Flyers, Empire and Jr. Ducks(1).

I don't believe the managers of the visiting teams needed to do anything this week. Isn't there a time limit?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 13, 2017, 12:35:11 PM
There, Empire vs. Saints is posted.  I don't think most managers really care because it's only an exhibition.  Does SCAHA even care?  I don't think they care about the stats because the team rosters are not populated in order to accurately enter goals/assists, penalties, and shots taken by which goalies...


This is AA, CAHA is all that matters.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 13, 2017, 12:43:24 PM
I just want to send props to the manager of Jr. Ducks(2). It's been about three days since the teams played their first preseason games and s/he appears to be the only one who was able to successfully upload scores onto the SCAHA site.

According to information supplied by Jr. Kings(2), they played to a 0-0 tie with the Lady Ducks. Not sure that's accurate.

Nobody else even made the effort. This only applies to the managers of the home teams - Jr. Reign, Bears. Jr. Flyers, Empire and Jr. Ducks(1).

I don't believe the managers of the visiting teams needed to do anything this week. Isn't there a time limit?
There used to be one  a couple years ago when I was a manager. I think it was by Monday at 5pm.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 13, 2017, 01:19:25 PM
I think SCAHA cares because they need the score sheets in case of possible suspensions
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 13, 2017, 01:30:52 PM
I think SCAHA cares because they need the score sheets in case of possible suspensions
But you can't enter the player because they haven't populated the rosters for AA.  Doesn't matter, regardless of posting the score on SCAHA, our player's suspension showed up on CAHA on Monday anyway.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 13, 2017, 01:48:09 PM
I don't think most managers really care because it's only an exhibition.

Whether or not a manager cares is not the issue. That person accepted a responsibility to do a job, not decide on his own who should care about what. It looks silly when some managers do it and others refuse.

Does SCAHA even care?

You'd have to ask them. Considering they have it on their site, and they gave you login credentials, they may.

I don't think they care about the stats because the team rosters are not populated in order to accurately enter goals/assists, penalties, and shots taken by which goalies...

Geez, I was just looking for scores. I Don't believe I was asking about stats or any of the other things you mentioned.

This is AA, CAHA is all that matters.

Once the season begins and the CAHA weekends are in full swing, CAHA will be all that matters. Until then, we still don't know how the division will look. We don't know how the flight system will shake out. We don't know if these SCAHA preseason games mean anything to those who are evaluating teams. We also don't know for sure how these SCAHA games will affect which teams go to which flight. There is quite a bit we don't know. In a season where teams are being judged to determine their placement I don't think it unreasonable to ask how teams did.

Thank you for posting the scores. Much appreciated.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 13, 2017, 01:59:05 PM
Lighten up, Francis.  I don't think the outcome of ANY of the SCAHA exhibitions will have ANY impact on the much-anticipated flight system.  Just curious, is this your first rodeo in Tier hockey?  In case you were wondering, posted scores have routinely been delayed throughout the years, which is one of the main reasons this site was created - to get scores.  So, no, it is not unreasonable to ask how teams did.  That's why we ask here.  Ask away.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 13, 2017, 02:11:22 PM
Relax, Francis.  I don't think the outcome of ANY of the SCAHA exhibitions will have ANY impact on the much-anticipated flight system.  Just curious, is this your first rodeo in Tier hockey?  In case you were wondering, posted scores have routinely been delayed throughout the years, which is one of the main reasons this site was created - to get scores.  So, no, it is not unreasonable to ask how teams did.  That's why we ask here.  Ask away.

Funny. You miss the point, though. You may not think the games have no meaning, but this is a bit of an exceptional year. Lots of folks say they don't think this, or they don't think that. Unfortunately, none of us really know the facts. You don't know. I don't know. It's speculation.

No, not my first "rodeo" in Tier. With multiple sons playing we've been doing it for quite some time. I'll admit, though, this California Flight system is new to me, as it is to you.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 13, 2017, 02:32:28 PM
Funny. You miss the point, though. You may not think the games have no meaning, but this is a bit of an exceptional year. Lots of folks say they don't think this, or they don't think that. Unfortunately, none of us really know the facts. You don't know. I don't know. It's speculation.
Bingo.  That's all it is.  Don't mean to be so dismissive but it's safe to say that a lot of this is just smoke and mirrors.  For instance, I don't care if either Kings 2 or Ducks 2 were the absolute worst teams in AA and most deservedly should be dropped to A.  It'll never happen because they're required to field 2 AA teams to support their AAA teams.  A lot of this is a foregone conclusion.  I'll go out on a limb here and predict that this year's AA will look A LOT like last year's AA, and will be shocked if they even implement a 2-flight system.


As to your original concerns, are there any particular scores you'd like to know?  Ask away...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 13, 2017, 02:51:36 PM
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:

"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."


Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 13, 2017, 03:13:20 PM
So much for numbers. Neither GSE team? Really????
That's about as useful as our LR Justice feature. Thanks for the face wash whoever you are, I'll go re-evaluate my life now...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 13, 2017, 03:40:21 PM
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:

  • California Wave 14AA-1
  • Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
  • Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • San Diego Saints 14AA
"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."


Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.

Any top flight list without GSE1 and GSE2 is pretty much garbage.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 13, 2017, 03:42:19 PM
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:

  • California Wave 14AA-1
  • Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
  • Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • San Diego Saints 14AA
"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."


Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.
you just made Miss My's day! this will probably be the only time here son's team is mentioned in the Top Flight  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 13, 2017, 03:49:02 PM
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:

  • California Wave 14AA-1
  • Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
  • Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • San Diego Saints 14AA
"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."


Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.

That is such a huge fail.  :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 13, 2017, 03:52:50 PM
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:

  • California Wave 14AA-1
  • Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
  • Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • San Diego Saints 14AA
"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."


Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.


You left off 2 very big teams.... GSE 1 and 2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 13, 2017, 03:57:10 PM
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:

  • California Wave 14AA-1
  • Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
  • Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • San Diego Saints 14AA
"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."


Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.


You left off 2 very big teams.... GSE 1 and 2

Yes who are top 4 teams no less.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 13, 2017, 03:59:32 PM
If you take that list... replace Mariners and Saints with GSE1 and 2.. you probably got the top flight.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 13, 2017, 04:00:01 PM
In NorcalDad's defense, he did say he "tried".  Maybe the results were tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 13, 2017, 04:37:29 PM
Lighten up, Francis.  I don't think the outcome of ANY of the SCAHA exhibitions will have ANY impact on the much-anticipated flight system.  Just curious, is this your first rodeo in Tier hockey?  In case you were wondering, posted scores have routinely been delayed throughout the years, which is one of the main reasons this site was created - to get scores.  So, no, it is not unreasonable to ask how teams did.  That's why we ask here.  Ask away.
DON'T CALL ME FRANCIS.....ERRRR BICKS..






I'LL KILL YOU !!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 13, 2017, 04:42:48 PM
 ;D ;D ;D


 :o another fw...lol
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 13, 2017, 10:16:48 PM
From area51: you just made Miss My's day! this will probably be the only time here son's team is mentioned in the Top Flight

That's really funny. I am relieved to know the only thing you lost in San Jose were hockey games. Your sense of humor seems to be intact. GKG
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 13, 2017, 10:58:51 PM
Funny. You miss the point, though. You may not think the games have no meaning, but this is a bit of an exceptional year. Lots of folks say they don't think this, or they don't think that. Unfortunately, none of us really know the facts. You don't know. I don't know. It's speculation.
Bingo.  That's all it is.  Don't mean to be so dismissive but it's safe to say that a lot of this is just smoke and mirrors.  For instance, I don't care if either Kings 2 or Ducks 2 were the absolute worst teams in AA and most deservedly should be dropped to A.  It'll never happen because they're required to field 2 AA teams to support their AAA teams.  A lot of this is a foregone conclusion.  I'll go out on a limb here and predict that this year's AA will look A LOT like last year's AA, and will be shocked if they even implement a 2-flight system.

I hope you are correct. Last season may have not been perfect but I'd venture to say it was better than a somewhat subjective flight system could be. At least it removes the politics from the equation.

As for clubs needing to have two AA teams to support their AAA team, I think it's simply two AA teams at any level that would be sufficient. For example, the Gulls have just two AA teams in the club (according to their declarations on the SCAHA site) and both are Peewee. This appears to be enough to support their 14AAA and 16AAA teams. 

The Jr. Ducks are well-stocked with AA teams. It appears they have two teams each at the 12u, 14u and 16u levels. They declared an 18AA team as well. My thought is that, if need be, they could drop a AA team to A and be just fine. It wouldn't affect their Tier 1 eligibility.

The Jr. Kings (once again, according to their declarations on the SCAHA site) are not as well-stocked as the Ducks but could still afford to drop the weaker BTAA team. They declared two 14AA teams and two 12AA teams. Dropping a team would leave them with three AA teams - one above the minimum required.

Out in Riverside, the Jr. Reign have an 18AAA team. To support this they have four AA teams. They have 12AA, 14AA, 16AA and 18AA teams. They could drop their BTAA team and still have three AA teams so the Tier 1 team would be unaffected.

CAHA rules 8.1.b and 8.3 say that the clubs need two AA teams to support a Tier 1 team. The rules don't specify what level those teams must be.

What have I missed?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 14, 2017, 12:46:12 AM
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.


After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?

This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.


Again, it's all math, with no politics.  We could only hope it was handled that well.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: nzone on September 14, 2017, 02:37:04 AM
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.


After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?

  • Golden State Elite 14AA-2
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • California Wave 14AA-2
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Golden State Elite 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.


Again, it's all math, with no politics.  We could only hope it was handled that well.


Looks more like it but I think the Blackhawks will be in and the Mariners out. The last spot could be taken by either Flyers, Saints, Wave1 or Kings1 but Kings being the big club, we all know Kings1 will likely take that spot.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Zam Dad on September 14, 2017, 06:53:23 AM
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.


After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?

  • Golden State Elite 14AA-2
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • California Wave 14AA-2
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Golden State Elite 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.


Again, it's all math, with no politics.  We could only hope it was handled that well.


Looks more like it but I think the Blackhawks will be in and the Mariners out. The last spot could be taken by either Flyers, Saints, Wave1 or Kings1 but Kings being the big club, we all know Kings1 will likely take that spot.

I agree, the Blackhawks will more than likely be in the top flight. Of their 3 loses in San Jose, all were very close games against arguably the top teams in flight 1. They pass the eyeball test of being a big fast 03 heavy team.
I don't see the Saints making it in.  They were crushed by the 2 03 teams they played and also lost to Wave2.
That leaves Kings1, Flyers, Mariners, Wave1 and Wave2 fighting for 2 spots. (and really it seems like Kings1 will be in via all the chatter, so only 1 spot for the 4 remaining)
I think the Flyers are on the outside looking in with the loss to the Mariners in san jose. (I see they played last week though, any1 know the score of that game?)
Mariners play Ducks1 and Wave1 play Kings1.  2 very interesting games.  I wonder if CAHA will be watching?  8)

And lastly the Wave1 vs Wave2 conversation is interesting.  Have these two teams played each other yet this year?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 14, 2017, 08:17:42 AM
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.


After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?

  • Golden State Elite 14AA-2
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • California Wave 14AA-2
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Golden State Elite 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.


Again, it's all math, with no politics.  We could only hope it was handled that well.

If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 14, 2017, 08:51:16 AM
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.


After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?

  • Golden State Elite 14AA-2
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • California Wave 14AA-2
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Golden State Elite 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.


Again, it's all math, with no politics.  We could only hope it was handled that well.

If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.


Strength of schedule?  Look at the Blackhawks schedule... OC1 and Bears... and they played both close... Blackhawks are 100% a top flight team
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 14, 2017, 08:52:51 AM
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.


After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?

  • Golden State Elite 14AA-2
  • San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
  • Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
  • California Wave 14AA-2
  • Empire Hockey Club 14AA
  • Golden State Elite 14AA-1
  • California Golden Bears 14AA
  • Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
  • Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
  • Ventura Mariners 14AA
This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.


Again, it's all math, with no politics.  We could only hope it was handled that well.

If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.


Strength of schedule?  Look at the Blackhawks schedule... OC1 and Bears... and they played both close... Blackhawks are 100% a top flight team

You are correct my bad.

Blackhawks should be in there bump Flyers down or Wave. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 14, 2017, 08:59:51 AM

I agree, the Blackhawks will more than likely be in the top flight. Of their 3 loses in San Jose, all were very close games against arguably the top teams in flight 1. They pass the eyeball test of being a big fast 03 heavy team.
I don't see the Saints making it in.  They were crushed by the 2 03 teams they played and also lost to Wave2.
That leaves Kings1, Flyers, Mariners, Wave1 and Wave2 fighting for 2 spots. (and really it seems like Kings1 will be in via all the chatter, so only 1 spot for the 4 remaining)
I think the Flyers are on the outside looking in with the loss to the Mariners in san jose. (I see they played last week though, any1 know the score of that game?)
Mariners play Ducks1 and Wave1 play Kings1.  2 very interesting games.  I wonder if CAHA will be watching?  8)

And lastly the Wave1 vs Wave2 conversation is interesting.  Have these two teams played each other yet this year?


The RPI formula for hockey weighs your opponent's opponent's records more heavily than either your record or your opponent's records.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 14, 2017, 09:13:12 AM

I agree, the Blackhawks will more than likely be in the top flight. Of their 3 loses in San Jose, all were very close games against arguably the top teams in flight 1. They pass the eyeball test of being a big fast 03 heavy team.
I don't see the Saints making it in.  They were crushed by the 2 03 teams they played and also lost to Wave2.
That leaves Kings1, Flyers, Mariners, Wave1 and Wave2 fighting for 2 spots. (and really it seems like Kings1 will be in via all the chatter, so only 1 spot for the 4 remaining)
I think the Flyers are on the outside looking in with the loss to the Mariners in san jose. (I see they played last week though, any1 know the score of that game?)
Mariners play Ducks1 and Wave1 play Kings1.  2 very interesting games.  I wonder if CAHA will be watching?  8)

And lastly the Wave1 vs Wave2 conversation is interesting.  Have these two teams played each other yet this year?


The RPI formula for hockey weighs your opponent's opponent's records more heavily than either your record or your opponent's records.

Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on September 14, 2017, 09:18:32 AM
Yeah, Blackhawks should be in, and what everyone says about the Kings 1 team being in as well.


As far as the flight system in Bantam I have only rumors, but I am fairly confident there will NOT be only one flight this year...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 14, 2017, 09:19:14 AM
Forget all the fancy formulas, if there's really going to be a split, I'm willing to bet my 'reality' list below is the sexiest to CAHA and will be the most likely scenario... My order of ranking may be debatable, but these are the teams that belong in their respective flight, according to CAHA at least.

Top Flight:
1 - GSE2 (or Bears)
2 - Bears (or GSE2)
3 - GSE1
4 - OC1
5 - Empire
6 - Blackhawks
7 - Sharks
8 - Ducks1
9 - Wave1
10 - Kings1

Lower Flight:
11 - Wave2
12 - Flyers
13 - Mariners
14 - Saints
15 - OC2
16 - Ducks2
17 - Jr Reign
18 - Kings2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 14, 2017, 09:19:55 AM



Strength of schedule?  Look at the Blackhawks schedule... OC1 and Bears... and they played both close... Blackhawks are 100% a top flight team


The formula weighs more heavily on your opponent's opponents.  For the Blackhawks, that includes several team with lower winning percentages:
so an average of 46.87%.  The Flyers would be able the Blackhawks at 48.91%. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 14, 2017, 09:22:21 AM
If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.


Hey, let's make a bunch of teams travel to a jamboree so we can pick the top 10 teams, and then completely change our minds....
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 14, 2017, 09:35:36 AM
If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.


Hey, let's make a bunch of teams travel to a jamboree so we can pick the top 10 teams, and then completely change our minds....

I think when you see how things played out like a Tyson punch things changed.

 I am sure they had the top flight picked before San Jose and now it's murky.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on September 14, 2017, 09:43:34 AM
Everything was settled before the jubilee. The board will find a way to justify any decision they make. As long as the board has a vested interest in where teams land, it's always a disservice. The board should ne comprised of personnel who's only agenda is to make California hockey the best. But when the board is concerned about giving their clubs teams an advantage, this is what we have.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on September 14, 2017, 10:10:31 AM
If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.


Hey, let's make a bunch of teams travel to a jamboree so we can pick the top 10 teams, and then completely change our minds....

I think when you see how things played out like a Tyson punch things changed.

 I am sure they had the top flight picked before San Jose and now it's murky.


On the contrary...the top flight looks pretty well set except for the bottom couple of teams...and CAHA will fill them easily...whether with politically "correct" choices or teams that "should" be in--ie the Blackhawks, etc. You are likely kidding yourself if you think deciding a few bubble teams will make CAHA scrap the system. JMHO
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on September 14, 2017, 10:11:21 AM
Hey I have a solution.  Let's have another jamboree this weekend to figure it all out!  How about splitting the games between Vacaville and KHS, with each team playing two more games at each place?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: The Hun on September 14, 2017, 10:55:35 AM
I think it was 8-5


Not sure how much it matters, but that was hardly a "game". At some point, the Bears sent 4 players on the ice, and told the Ducks "ok guys, pretend that you are on a power-play". So the Ducks played for a few minutes 5 on 4, and scored a goal. Then the Bears told the Ducks "now it's our turn for PP", but since they took too many chances on aggressive plays, and not yet having a single practice, the Ducks scored a shortie.  And so it went back and forth.
Pond hockey at best.


So, yes, I think the next game at KHS this Saturday will be a "real" game, with actual periods and time constraints.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 14, 2017, 11:17:53 AM
could CAHA split the Filights 12/6 or 11/7? I think everyone can agree on the bottom 6 teams.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 14, 2017, 11:20:47 AM
could CAHA split the Filights 12/6 or 11/7? I think everyone can agree on the bottom 6 teams.

I think we agree on the bottom 5
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 14, 2017, 11:22:29 AM
could CAHA split the Filights 12/6 or 11/7? I think everyone can agree on the bottom 6 teams.

I think we agree on the bottom 5
true, I'd like to see Mariners and Saints play each other for that final spot
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 14, 2017, 11:32:08 AM
could CAHA split the Filights 12/6 or 11/7? I think everyone can agree on the bottom 6 teams.


Rule 9.9(3) says, "Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams".
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 14, 2017, 12:04:15 PM
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight?  I don't think either belong.


Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2


All those are clear top flight teams
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 14, 2017, 12:08:41 PM
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight?  I don't think either belong.


Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2


All those are clear top flight teams

Wrong

Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Blackhawks
Empire

Clear top Flight you can argue the last 4
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HM on September 14, 2017, 12:25:10 PM
I think it was 8-5


Not sure how much it matters, but that was hardly a "game". At some point, the Bears sent 4 players on the ice, and told the Ducks "ok guys, pretend that you are on a power-play". So the Ducks played for a few minutes 5 on 4, and scored a goal. Then the Bears told the Ducks "now it's our turn for PP", but since they took too many chances on aggressive plays, and not yet having a single practice, the Ducks scored a shortie.  And so it went back and forth.
Pond hockey at best.


So, yes, I think the next game at KHS this Saturday will be a "real" game, with actual periods and time constraints.




 The Bears were at full strength when the shorthanded Duck goal was scored. They also scored two PP goals with a final score of 9-5. The Bears looked rusty and they are certainly a better team than that scrimmage demonstrated. This weekend could turn out quite a bit different. The Ducks will be on a short bench with a couple of key injuries. The Bears have good players with excellent coaching and several games/scrimmages and their belts.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 14, 2017, 12:27:52 PM
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight?  I don't think either belong.


Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2


All those are clear top flight teams
I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 14, 2017, 12:29:29 PM
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight?  I don't think either belong.


Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2


All those are clear top flight teams
I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.

Please argue me how the Wada Wave should be top flight? I'm listening
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on September 14, 2017, 12:33:06 PM
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight?  I don't think either belong.


Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2


All those are clear top flight teams
I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.

Please argue me how the Wada Wave should be top flight? I'm listening


What's your argument against? since you seem to have one. Always curious to hear someones perspective...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 14, 2017, 12:41:52 PM
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight?  I don't think either belong.


Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2


All those are clear top flight teams
I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.

Please argue me how the Wada Wave should be top flight? I'm listening


What's your argument against? since you seem to have one. Always curious to hear someones perspective...

It's nothing personal they have cool parents and I have no issues with them.

It's an all 04 team and look how they did vs the top 5 teams. Will they be better in Dec Yes but if you are asking today they are not a top flight team.

Beat Ducks2 3-1 probably the 3rd worst team.
Lost 6-3 to Sharks
Tied Kings 1 who I think is flight 2
Beat a Saints team 3-1 that's bottom Flight
Lost to Bears 12-3


Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 14, 2017, 01:04:20 PM
I think it was 8-5


Not sure how much it matters, but that was hardly a "game". At some point, the Bears sent 4 players on the ice, and told the Ducks "ok guys, pretend that you are on a power-play". So the Ducks played for a few minutes 5 on 4, and scored a goal. Then the Bears told the Ducks "now it's our turn for PP", but since they took too many chances on aggressive plays, and not yet having a single practice, the Ducks scored a shortie.  And so it went back and forth.
Pond hockey at best.


So, yes, I think the next game at KHS this Saturday will be a "real" game, with actual periods and time constraints.




 The Bears were at full strength when the shorthanded Duck goal was scored. They also scored two PP goals with a final score of 9-5. The Bears looked rusty and they are certainly a better team than that scrimmage demonstrated. This weekend could turn out quite a bit different. The Ducks will be on a short bench with a couple of key injuries. The Bears have good players with excellent coaching and several games/scrimmages and their belts.
Excuses already ?? Game hasn't even been played.


Remember......excuses are like assholes......everyone has one....and they all stink.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 14, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight?  I don't think either belong.


Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2


All those are clear top flight teams
I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.

Please argue me how the Wada Wave should be top flight? I'm listening


What's your argument against? since you seem to have one. Always curious to hear someones perspective...

It's nothing personal they have cool parents and I have no issues with them.

It's an all 04 team and look how they did vs the top 5 teams. Will they be better in Dec Yes but if you are asking today they are not a top flight team.

Beat Ducks2 3-1 probably the 3rd worst team.
Lost 6-3 to Sharks
Tied Kings 1 who I think is flight 2
Beat a Saints team 3-1 that's bottom Flight
Lost to Bears 12-3
I see WW 10, at  best, right now. Come the New Year, top half.
JMHO  :)
Would they be able to beat the bears, gses and oc1s of the world ?  Probably not consistently. But will put scare in them.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: DD on September 14, 2017, 01:33:32 PM
I heard a rumor that Jr Reign Bantam AA team is scrimmaging OCHC Bantam A team this Saturday...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: The Hun on September 14, 2017, 01:40:08 PM

Would they be able to beat the bears, gses and oc1s of the world ?  Probably not consistently. But will put scare in them.


Let's hope so. The Bears need dance partners. Otherwise, it will be a long boring season.
The more you win, the less you learn.  Ideally, a 50/50 winning % creates a good balance between improving while also gaining confidence. When you win 90% of your games, then you better look for teams who can beat you, or you've got a big problem.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on September 14, 2017, 01:40:56 PM
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight?  I don't think either belong.


Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2


All those are clear top flight teams

Wrong

Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Blackhawks
Empire

Clear top Flight you can argue the last 4


Argue the last 4 to be in the top flight maybe...but those last 4, in most cases, would certainly be the TOP of a bottom flight...and with politics filling likely 2 of the 4 spots...only two to be "open" really....
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 14, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
I heard a rumor that Jr Reign Bantam AA team is scrimmaging OCHC Bantam A team this Saturday...




I would put my money on OC if true.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Bystander on September 14, 2017, 04:45:25 PM
I heard a rumor that Jr Reign Bantam AA team is scrimmaging OCHC Bantam A team this Saturday...




I would put my money on OC if true.
Would anyone bet against you?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 14, 2017, 10:05:24 PM
1st installment of weekly picks .......


BFs (JR Reign)       vs           JK2          JK2 By 2 (because BF still owes me $$)


OC1                        vs          Empire     OC by 2  (Game of the week)


Saints                    vs            Da Bears  DBs by shit load


Mariners                 vs            JD1         JD1 by 4


Bicks (OC2)             vs           JD2          Bicks by 2


Lady Duck s              vs            Jr Flyers   WHY ?


JK1                         vs            Wave 1     Wave by 1


Good luck everyone !!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 15, 2017, 10:17:36 AM
My take on this week's games:


Reign vs Kings2 - Reign by 2

OC1 vs Empire - Empire by 1 (yes, game of the week)

Saints vs Bears - Bears by 7

Mariners vs Ducks1 - Ducks1 by 2

OC2 vs Ducks2 - OC2 by 1

Flyers vs Lady Ducks - Flyers by 4

Wave1 vs Kings1 - Wave1 by 3
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 16, 2017, 05:49:55 PM
So how did the AAA 04 Ducks do against them Bears this time around?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on September 16, 2017, 07:09:05 PM
So how did the AAA 04 Ducks do against them Bears this time around?


I think it was 7-0 Bears.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on September 16, 2017, 07:55:06 PM

Reign by 1


Tie between oc1 & empire


Bears by 10+


Ducks by 4+


Go girls go.


Kings 1 by 3.

quote author=justanotherhockeydad link=topic=3655.msg43728#msg43728 date=1505495856]
My take on this week's games:


Reign vs Kings2 - Reign by 2

OC1 vs Empire - Empire by 1 (yes, game of the week)

Saints vs Bears - Bears by 7

Mariners vs Ducks1 - Ducks1 by 2

OC2 vs Ducks2 - OC2 by 1

Flyers vs Lady Ducks - Flyers by 4

Wave1 vs Kings1 - Wave1 by 3
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 17, 2017, 10:47:11 AM
3-1 OC over Empire after 1st period
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 17, 2017, 11:12:06 AM
5-2 OC after 2nd... game getting chippy
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: nzone on September 17, 2017, 11:59:08 AM
Empire lost to JD1 2:7 in a scramage yesterday.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 17, 2017, 01:07:34 PM
Game called after an injury to an OC player... 5-2 final.. OC1 over Empire
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Panther Coach on September 17, 2017, 01:52:31 PM
Game called after an injury to an OC player... 5-2 final.. OC1 over Empire






Any update on the injured player?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: dreal on September 17, 2017, 02:06:21 PM
Player was transported by Ambulance to Trauma Center.  CT Scan was negative and will be released.  Not sure of prognosis but probably a concussion.  Parent had the video, player hit his head into glass then his chin hit the runner of the boards causing loss of consciousness.  Not a hard hit by Empire player just one of those things.  Kinda scary watching a kid removed on a back board...we are glad he is okay :)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Panther Coach on September 17, 2017, 02:16:30 PM
Player was transported by Ambulance to Trauma Center.  CT Scan was negative and will be released.  Not sure of prognosis but probably a concussion.  Parent had the video, player hit his head into glass then his chin hit the runner of the boards causing loss of consciousness.  Not a hard hit by Empire player just one of those things.  Kinda scary watching a kid removed on a back board...we are glad he is okay :)




Great to hear. Thanks for the update
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: White Skates on September 17, 2017, 02:37:08 PM
Kings2 --  5


Reign   -- 0
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 17, 2017, 07:22:27 PM
OCHC (2 ) 4 JRDucks (2) 4
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 17, 2017, 07:26:03 PM
Player was transported by Ambulance to Trauma Center.  CT Scan was negative and will be released.  Not sure of prognosis but probably a concussion.  Parent had the video, player hit his head into glass then his chin hit the runner of the boards causing loss of consciousness.  Not a hard hit by Empire player just one of those things.  Kinda scary watching a kid removed on a back board...we are glad he is okay :)
Glad he's ok.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Zam Dad on September 18, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
So some interesting games this weekend.  I thought Id take a shot at the top ten standings.  8)
Hard to place the Norcal teams outside of how they did in San Jose, since we don't seem to get much news on their scrimmage games.
Here goes:

1) GSE 2 (no news, but have them still on top)
2) Bears (won big over another AAA team, assume they beat saints)
3) OC1 (beat Empire 5-2)
4) GSE 1 (no news)
5) Sharks (no news)
6) Ducks1 (beat Empire 7-2 and Mariners 5-1)
7) Empire (lost to Ducks1 2-7, lost to OC1 2-5)
8 ) Blackhawks (no news)
9) Wave2 (beat Saints 2-1)
10) Kings1 (beat Wave1 4-0)

11) Wave1 (lost to Kings1 0-4)
12) Mariners (lost to Ducks1 1-5)

Let me know what you guys think.  2 awesome games upcoming this weekend.
Bears vs OC1
Wave1 vs Wave2 (Civil War at Aretesia!)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 18, 2017, 11:50:50 AM
Bears vs. Saints 8:0 (after beating Ducks AAA '04 7:0 the day before.
Good week for their goalie, he doesn't have a single goal against. The joke was that "we are not sure if there will be another goal against us this year". I thought it was funny.


This coming weekend, da Bears have 3 games:
Saturday a prep-school show-case game against the AAA Gulls at Pickwick.
Sunday game against OC1 in the morning (big game)
Game against AAA Kings '04 in the afternoon.


I am hearing that the Bears are getting a lot of calls from other teams, for scrimmages.  Sounds great for the kids (and the rest of us). 3 games a week would be perfect.
Like Mr Wolf said, "Let's not start sucking each other's d#/k quite yet. "
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 18, 2017, 12:06:02 PM
Like Mr Wolf said, "Let's not start sucking each other's d#/k quite yet. "
LOL.  Bears are good, no doubt.  But beating an 04 AAA team followed by pounding the Saints, with upcoming games against the weakest 03 AAA team and another 04 AAA team doesn't seem like much of a test or challenge.  Why aren't you guys playing the likes of Kings 03 AAA or some of the better 16AA teams?  You'll probably handle OC1 just fine, but I'm not seeing anything to go pounding your chest about.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 18, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
  You'll probably handle OC1 just fine, but I'm not seeing anything to go pounding your chest about.


I agree with you.
It was almost embarrassing, sitting among the parents of the opposing team and rooting for your own kids.  I was talking to a Swedish parent (of the Saints), great conversation, but every time the Bears scored, I cringed. When the Saints laid a couple of good hits, everybody applauded and cheered. When the Bears scored, deep silence, followed by thinly veiled apologies.
Tough to sit through a game like that (and drive 4.5 hours for it).


Same with the Ducks AAA game. Not quite as bad, but close. The Ducks did have a few chances though, it was nice to see that.


What can one do. Can't blame the kids for winning. But definitely not wins that one can be bragging about. Sorry if I came across that way.

Why not play AAA?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 18, 2017, 12:38:41 PM
Da Bears are a good team but certainly not unbeatable.


The regular season hasn't even started.   It's early and a few things are probably going to happen.   Teams will narrow the gap. Kids will get hurt ect.


So admire yourself in the mirror while flexing now.  Attila.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 18, 2017, 04:02:17 PM
Da Bears are a good team but certainly not unbeatable.


The regular season hasn't even started.   It's early and a few things are probably going to happen.   Teams will narrow the gap. Kids will get hurt ect.


So admire yourself in the mirror while flexing now.  Attila.
GSE2 beat them at the Jamboree
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 18, 2017, 04:08:05 PM
Uh-oh.  Shades of the disappearance of Zam Driver.  The Hun's posts removed.  Looks like the nail that stuck out got hammered...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on September 18, 2017, 04:40:52 PM


Let me know what you guys think.  2 awesome games upcoming this weekend.
Bears vs OC1
Wave1 vs Wave2 (Civil War at Aretesia!)

Zam Dad

Bears vs OC1 should be a good game...kids are coming off of a rough week with a player getting hurt on the ice


Wave vs Wave...don't see it being a civil war once you have the size of the bodies play into this game. 03's should have no problem with the 04's


Good luck to all though.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on September 18, 2017, 06:02:38 PM
 What a douche


I'm sure the team is talented.  I haven't seen them play yet.  But it's too bad for the kids that have this creep hanging around.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on September 18, 2017, 06:49:10 PM
What a douche


I'm sure the team is talented.  I haven't seen them play yet.  But it's too bad for the kids that have this creep hanging around.


And you would be referring to whom exactly?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 18, 2017, 09:24:14 PM
What a douche


I'm sure the team is talented.  I haven't seen them play yet.  But it's too bad for the kids that have this creep hanging around.


And you would be referring to whom exactly?
Shit, that could be any one of us.  :-[
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 18, 2017, 10:43:08 PM
People keep asking why the Bears don't go AAA.  It's pretty simple really -- it's a huge headache if you don't have a franchise.


Unlike the franchised programs, you have to "prove" you can do it with a lot of documentation, and then there's that pesky rule requiring a club with a AAA team, to have 2 AA teams, which the Bears do not have, and are unlikely to ever have, given the fact that they decided to drop their Midget program a few seasons back. 


It's possible that if the Bears were to go to CAHA and request advancement to AAA they would get approval, but there's not much upside for the club to engage in that, when they can still play the AAA teams who badly need local games to play against AA teams who can challenge them.  The Bears can play AA or AAA as it suits them, and if AA gets stale, they can seek out higher level  competition at tournaments. 


This is the system that CAHA put into place:  a few AAA programs with a small number of kids who will ever participate, and a bunch of red tape discouraging other teams from building up a program, or even recognizing that a particular team has a high concentration of talent and ability.  CAHA's system will not grow the sport of hockey in California, but it doesn't seem that is the goal of these rules.





Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on September 19, 2017, 07:46:09 AM
You nailed it again!  AA makes so much more sense, you play many games locally with options to play more diverse games as they fit, with a noticeably lighter wallet load and more open calendar to do privates with whom and when you want.  The parents are less sticky as well - a real team experience and you don't have to home school to keep up.   That is So Cal hockey.   CAHA's rules are not about growing youth hockey, they are about control.  So be it.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Asteroidea on September 19, 2017, 08:50:14 AM
You nailed it again!  AA makes so much more sense, you play many games locally with options to play more diverse games as they fit, with a noticeably lighter wallet load and more open calendar to do privates with whom and when you want.  The parents are less sticky as well - a real team experience and you don't have to home school to keep up.   That is So Cal hockey.   CAHA's rules are not about growing youth hockey, they are about control.  So be it.


The libtards of California have infiltrated every part including Youth Hockey.  It is no longer about what makes since it is about not hurting anyone's feeling and control of the masses.  In this case, control of who gets to play at the level they should (up or down). 


The smart people of California and youth hockey are fleeing the state in mass.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 19, 2017, 03:49:09 PM
The libtards of California have infiltrated every part including Youth Hockey.  It is no longer about what makes since it is about not hurting anyone's feeling and control of the masses.  In this case, control of who gets to play at the level they should (up or down). 

The smart people of California and youth hockey are fleeing the state in mass.


Let's avoid bringing politics into the board.  You can make your points without bringing Obama, Trump or the NRA into things.  We don't need Calhockey to turn into Yahoo news or facebook.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 19, 2017, 03:58:50 PM
The libtards of California have infiltrated every part including Youth Hockey.  It is no longer about what makes since it is about not hurting anyone's feeling and control of the masses.  In this case, control of who gets to play at the level they should (up or down). 

The smart people of California and youth hockey are fleeing the state in mass.


Let's avoid bringing politics into the board.  You can make your points without bringing Obama, Trump or the NRA into things.  We don't need Calhockey to turn into Yahoo news or facebook.


Stupid Libatards watch out the Trump train is coming and we are gonna blow up North Korea....YeeHaa!!   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Asteroidea on September 19, 2017, 05:18:37 PM
The libtards of California have infiltrated every part including Youth Hockey.  It is no longer about what makes since it is about not hurting anyone's feeling and control of the masses.  In this case, control of who gets to play at the level they should (up or down). 

The smart people of California and youth hockey are fleeing the state in mass.


Let's avoid bringing politics into the board.  You can make your points without bringing Obama, Trump or the NRA into things.  We don't need Calhockey to turn into Yahoo news or facebook.


I fail to see where I brought up Obama, Trump or the NRA. You must be one of those libtard CAHA board members or you need to learn to read better.




Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 19, 2017, 05:30:00 PM
The libtards of California have infiltrated every part including Youth Hockey.  It is no longer about what makes since it is about not hurting anyone's feeling and control of the masses.  In this case, control of who gets to play at the level they should (up or down). 

The smart people of California and youth hockey are fleeing the state in mass.


Let's avoid bringing politics into the board.  You can make your points without bringing Obama, Trump or the NRA into things.  We don't need Calhockey to turn into Yahoo news or facebook.


I fail to see where I brought up Obama, Trump or the NRA. You must be one of those libtard CAHA board members or you need to learn to read better.




Ok Mr. Asteroidea.... The CAHA tier 2 jamboree is not a "liberal conspiracy "  and before you and the rest of the Trumptards bring it up.. neither is climate change
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 19, 2017, 05:30:59 PM
Now that I said that... can we now get back to talking about hockey?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 19, 2017, 05:32:33 PM
You aren't very bright if you don't understand the analogy.  First it's calling people "Libtards" for absolutely no reason, and before long you have people interjecting petty political digs into threads about icing rule changes ("must be leftist climate scientists", and then there will be "that call was as real as Obama's birth certificate", an d "there was more water on the ice than there was in Trump's pee tape", "Bengazi!" and pretty soon people are comparing each other to the Nazis.  Let us have our little kids hockey board and talk about silly hockey topics please.


And for the record, I have a pretty well documented history on calhockey of calling out CAHA decisions, so I'm obviously not on the board. :P
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 19, 2017, 06:14:28 PM
I for one agree with the analogy. The CAHA board members are a product of their environment. The liberal view is to control everyone and enact laws so stupid they are mandatory. The favt that CAHA believes they should contol a feee market and not allow clubs to field teams at Tier I or Tier II is rediculous. Clubs should be able to place teams wherever they want and if the consumer does not like it they can take their money elsewhere. We dance around the real issue with CAHA, but the truth is they are a product of their environment. They will ruin youth hockey in California just like Sacramento has ruined the state.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 19, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
Trying to make sure team's like ducks 2, OC2, kings 2, and Jr reign not play in the top AA division is not a liberal vs conservative issue... it's common sense... I saw the OC1 vs Ducks 2 game... the duck kids were literally scared to go on the ice.  It could have been a blood bath if OC didn't take it easy.  I can't  imagine those poor kids playing against the Bears.


Drawing comparison between that and the political climate of the state is asinine.   


In the words of a song from my high school days... "If you don't like what you see here get the funk out"
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 19, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
Yes exactly, if your don't like it take your money elsewhere. This hold true in clubs placing team where THEY think they should be. Every year in each division the top teams could/should be playing in the division above them and the bottom teams should be playing in the division below. Nothing has changed, except the mid pack teams now may get penalized.  The issue is when teams like that Wave team last year who was forced to play A when they regularly beat Teir I teams. They killed everyone in A. Howfun was that for the true A teams? Same with the Riptide a few years back in PW. This same thing will hold true with the mid pack teams this year and how the flights are set.  I'm sorry that you want to blame it on something other than what it is. The CAHA board is a product of their environment.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 19, 2017, 09:10:33 PM
I for one agree with the analogy. The CAHA board members are a product of their environment. The liberal view is to control everyone and enact laws so stupid they are mandatory. The favt that CAHA believes they should contol a feee market and not allow clubs to field teams at Tier I or Tier II is rediculous. Clubs should be able to place teams wherever they want and if the consumer does not like it they can take their money elsewhere. We dance around the real issue with CAHA, but the truth is they are a product of their environment. They will ruin youth hockey in California just like Sacramento has ruined the state.


The clubs aren't going to make the right decisions on placements.  As was recently mentioned, CAHA is an extension of the clubs, so...  It would take a complete overall of the CAHA bylaws to make them focus on kids vs clubs, but then you might be able to get the placements setup to be more beneficial for everyone (strong, middle, and weak).



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on September 19, 2017, 09:42:33 PM
Trying to make sure team's like ducks 2, OC2, kings 2, and Jr reign not play in the top AA division is not a liberal vs conservative issue... it's common sense... I saw the OC1 vs Ducks 2 game... the duck kids were literally scared to go on the ice.  It could have been a blood bath if OC didn't take it easy.  I can't  imagine those poor kids playing against the Bears.


Drawing comparison between that and the political climate of the state is asinine.   


In the words of a song from my high school days... "If you don't like what you see here get the funk out"


It's a good day, when I can recognize an Extreme view
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 19, 2017, 10:42:28 PM
Trying to make sure team's like ducks 2, OC2, kings 2, and Jr reign not play in the top AA division is not a liberal vs conservative issue... it's common sense... I saw the OC1 vs Ducks 2 game... the duck kids were literally scared to go on the ice.  It could have been a blood bath if OC didn't take it easy.  I can't  imagine those poor kids playing against the Bears.


Drawing comparison between that and the political climate of the state is asinine.   


In the words of a song from my high school days... "If you don't like what you see here get the funk out"


It's a good day, when I can recognize an Extreme view


I may be a simple "libtard"... but... huh?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on September 20, 2017, 08:22:47 AM
Bitching on a hockey forum has little effect positive or negative.  I don't waste my time.  If you don't like the current organization create a new one.  OR, get involved in the current one and use the power of persuasion to make your points and affect change.
 
As in all aspects of life, people are quick to bitch and moan but slow to do any heavy lifting themselves.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 20, 2017, 11:00:01 AM
Bitching on a hockey forum has little effect positive or negative.  I don't waste my time.  If you don't like the current organization create a new one.  OR, get involved in the current one and use the power of persuasion to make your points and affect change.
 
As in all aspects of life, people are quick to bitch and moan but slow to do any heavy lifting themselves.


I do not believe any of us are planning to form a club so we can get involved.  All we can do is bitch to our club so issues are brought to the board.  The purpose of bitching on a forum is to gain momentum with the bitching to individual clubs.  Politics are the same regardless of Federal, State, county, City, Corporate or Hockey.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 20, 2017, 11:54:38 AM
Bitching on a hockey forum has little effect positive or negative.  I don't waste my time.  If you don't like the current organization create a new one.  OR, get involved in the current one and use the power of persuasion to make your points and affect change.
 
As in all aspects of life, people are quick to bitch and moan but slow to do any heavy lifting themselves.


I do not believe any of us are planning to form a club so we can get involved.  All we can do is bitch to our club so issues are brought to the board.  The purpose of bitching on a forum is to gain momentum with the bitching to individual clubs.  Politics are the same regardless of Federal, State, county, City, Corporate or Hockey.


In most cases, it's fairly low-hanging to join the board of your local club.  Some change can come from that.



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on September 20, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
Bitching on a hockey forum has little effect positive or negative.  I don't waste my time.  If you don't like the current organization create a new one.  OR, get involved in the current one and use the power of persuasion to make your points and affect change.
 
As in all aspects of life, people are quick to bitch and moan but slow to do any heavy lifting themselves.


I do not believe any of us are planning to form a club so we can get involved.  All we can do is bitch to our club so issues are brought to the board.  The purpose of bitching on a forum is to gain momentum with the bitching to individual clubs.


How is that working out for ya?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 20, 2017, 12:59:27 PM
Sounds like a CAHA board member response to me
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on September 20, 2017, 05:15:36 PM
Sounds like a CAHA board member response to me


Nope, I am not a member nor have I ever been.  But when I have a beef rather than bitch and rumor I send a well reasoned polite email to the board and I always get a prompt polite response and explanation.  It works amazingly well.  I am surprised I am the only one that thought of it.


It is a lot like bitching about the Refs.  It is easy to bitch, and admittedly there plenty of bad calls but how many of the folks that bitch would get up at 4:30 on a weekend to make $50 bucks for getting jeered and hazed by a bunch of righteous parents?  No thank you. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rainman on September 21, 2017, 09:53:19 AM
I guess Kings 1 made flight 1,  Wave2 in flight 2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on September 21, 2017, 09:56:25 AM
Was that ever really in any doubt?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: goonhockey on September 21, 2017, 09:59:58 AM
who has the full list?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 21, 2017, 10:02:04 AM
are the Gulls dropping to AA?


3)   Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on September 21, 2017, 10:03:23 AM
I guess Kings 1 made flight 1,  Wave2 in flight 2

I predict Wave 2 will be at the top of Flight II and challenge Empire or Wave 1 for the 10 spot for play downs...

What do you think?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on September 21, 2017, 10:04:29 AM
are the Gulls dropping to AA?


3)   Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.

I've heard that the Gulls being in Flight I was a  typo. There are only 10 teams in Flight I.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rainman on September 21, 2017, 10:07:24 AM
Bears
Blackhawks
Ducks 1
Empire
GSE1
GSE2
Gulls1
Kings1
OCHC1
Sharks
Wave1





Ducks2
Flyers
Kings2
Mariners
OCHC2
Reign
Saints
Wave2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rainman on September 21, 2017, 10:08:07 AM
are the Gulls dropping to AA?


3)   Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.

I've heard that the Gulls being in Flight I was a  typo. There are only 10 teams in Flight I.

Yeah possibly
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 21, 2017, 10:29:26 AM
Let's see if CAHAsavants have flight 2 teams go to NORCAL for caha weekends
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 21, 2017, 10:32:00 AM
I think the CAHA weekend locations are set. Enjoy Napa!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 21, 2017, 10:33:17 AM
Gull2 being on the list was a mistake they said.


Also this further proves they made the list long ago and forgot to remove Gulls when they didn't field an AA team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 21, 2017, 11:06:26 AM
I like the way it shook out. At least two flight 1 teams won't make playdowns, and one will have to fight for it. It should make the 5-10 positions competitive to avoid being left without a chair when the music stops.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 21, 2017, 11:28:56 AM
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:


Top flight:
1.  Bears
2.  Blackhawks
3.  Sharks
4. GSE1
5.  GSE2
6.  Kings 1
7.  OC 1
8.  Ducks 1
9.  Wave 1
10. Empire


Bottom flight:
1.  Saints
2.  Reign
3.  Kings 2
4.  OC 2
5.  Ducks 2
6.  Flyers
7.  Mariners
8.  Wave 2


Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.


I guess I nailed it a few weeks ago!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 21, 2017, 11:31:51 AM
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:


Top flight:
1.  Bears
2.  Blackhawks
3.  Sharks
4. GSE1
5.  GSE2
6.  Kings 1
7.  OC 1
8.  Ducks 1
9.  Wave 1
10. Empire


Bottom flight:
1.  Saints
2.  Reign
3.  Kings 2
4.  OC 2
5.  Ducks 2
6.  Flyers
7.  Mariners
8.  Wave 2


Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.


I guess I nailed it a few weeks ago!
This is what it looked like before the Jamboree. Why did we even have to go!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 21, 2017, 11:45:53 AM
If these are the correct flights, Does Flight 2 really need to travel to Nor Cal for two CAHA weekends? hopefully CAHA still has a little bit of common sense and gets that changed.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 21, 2017, 11:48:08 AM
where is the info coming from is it posted somewhere
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 21, 2017, 11:49:11 AM
If these are the correct flights, Does Flight 2 really need to travel to Nor Cal for two CAHA weekends? hopefully CAHA still has a little bit of common sense and gets that changed.
thats a good point!!! hopefully the board realizes that.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on September 21, 2017, 11:53:16 AM
where is the info coming from is it posted somewhere

The information is coming from team managers and coaches that provided the list to us parents.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 21, 2017, 01:05:21 PM
If these are the correct flights, Does Flight 2 really need to travel to Nor Cal for two CAHA weekends? hopefully CAHA still has a little bit of common sense and gets that changed.
thats a good point!!! hopefully the board realizes that.
Screw that!!!  If WE gotta go, YOU gotta go!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Edit: Remember, one of those F2 teams will get a chance to steal...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 21, 2017, 01:22:36 PM
where is the info coming from is it posted somewhere

The information is coming from team managers and coaches that provided the list to us parents.


must be nice to be liked by your coach and manger.... :P :P
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 21, 2017, 01:31:27 PM
where is the info coming from is it posted somewhere

The information is coming from team managers and coaches that provided the list to us parents.


must be nice to be liked by your coach and manger.... :P :P


We got a good coach and best manager ever!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: OneandDone on September 21, 2017, 02:49:20 PM
must be nice to be liked by your coach and manger.... :P :P
Maybe you should look at your TeamSnap
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 21, 2017, 03:07:18 PM
Bears
Blackhawks
Ducks 1
Empire
GSE1
GSE2
Gulls1
Kings1
OCHC1
Sharks
Wave1





Ducks2
Flyers
Kings2
Mariners
OCHC2
Reign
Saints
Wave2


The NCAA formula was 9/10 for 12U, but only 7/10 for 14U.  Wave1, Kings1, and Blackhawks beat the math!



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on September 21, 2017, 03:54:27 PM
Is this the NCAA? The CAHA board should be ashamed of themselves. The mandated all teams to San Jose to be "evaluated". That was a sham and a disgusting money grab. Most people knew how this was gonna shake out. What a joke. As someone stated earlier "it's good to be the king"
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 21, 2017, 04:15:43 PM
Is this the NCAA? The CAHA board should be ashamed of themselves. The mandated all teams to San Jose to be "evaluated". That was a sham and a disgusting money grab. Most people knew how this was gonna shake out. What a joke. As someone stated earlier "it's good to be the king"


Sharks 12UAA team got sent down to A, so even they didn't get everything they hoped for.


Who do you figure made money from the tournament?  The Shark's rinks are booked solid about 18 hours/day, so they probably had to displace other customers to accommodate the jamboree.  I guess the refs made money they weren't expecting.


I take the jamboree as a reaction to weak teams playing last year.  How would you keep clubs from submitting weak teams?



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on September 21, 2017, 04:25:43 PM
The team the player signs with, is the team the player stays with. This would force coaches and clubs to declare appropriate teams, rather than declaring a level they can not achieve. If the team is forced to drop, then they drop as a whole. Then next season both coaches and parents will be much more aware of where to place there players. Or instead of having flights, have the jubilee and place the teams accordingly. Much like English Premier League. Teams that do well stay up, bottom 3 move down.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Hockey05 on September 21, 2017, 06:37:48 PM
Is this the NCAA? The CAHA board should be ashamed of themselves. The mandated all teams to San Jose to be "evaluated". That was a sham and a disgusting money grab. Most people knew how this was gonna shake out. What a joke. As someone stated earlier "it's good to be the king"


Sharks 12UAA team got sent down to A, so even they didn't get everything they hoped for.


Who do you figure made money from the tournament?  The Shark's rinks are booked solid about 18 hours/day, so they probably had to displace other customers to accommodate the jamboree.  I guess the refs made money they weren't expecting.


I take the jamboree as a reaction to weak teams playing last year.  How would you keep clubs from submitting weak teams?


 
You can't honestly say all of this was worth our time and money.  They could have come darn close to figuring out the exact same thing with regular scrimmages. 
And it isn't just the lower level teams that took it on the chin.  So too all the best teams that had to subject themselves to that garbage when they could have gone to a real tournaments and played run time games over a big holiday weekend. 
Now we have split divisions which in some cases have all So Cal teams.  So all those teams have to go up North again to not play one team from up North???  Some teams will be in Vacaville to play So Cal teams they will be playing 2-3 times in CAHA and also in a SCAHA exhibition.  That is nothing short of ridiculous.  I'd rather donate my money to all those suffering from the natural disasters and have a kids charity game.  More than hockey is being played, people are wastefully playing with our time and money. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 21, 2017, 07:24:17 PM
Ha ha ha can you imagine the freak outs that would accompany decisions made without the jamboree?


You play in a statewide league. That means you travel statewide. Norcal teams have traveled to KHS to play other Norcal teams, CAHA tried giving SoCal teams local games last season... no matter what they do, people complain.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 21, 2017, 07:39:49 PM



You can't honestly say all of this was worth our time and money.  They could have come darn close to figuring out the exact same thing with regular scrimmages. 
And it isn't just the lower level teams that took it on the chin.  So too all the best teams that had to subject themselves to that garbage when they could have gone to a real tournaments and played run time games over a big holiday weekend. 
Now we have split divisions which in some cases have all So Cal teams.  So all those teams have to go up North again to not play one team from up North???  Some teams will be in Vacaville to play So Cal teams they will be playing 2-3 times in CAHA and also in a SCAHA exhibition.  That is nothing short of ridiculous.  I'd rather donate my money in a kids charity game to all the people suffering from natural disasters.  More than hockey is being played, people are wastefully playing with our time and money.


I was more curious about the previous "money grab" comment, like CAHA did it in order to profit in some way.  California is a goofy state for hockey - all the Norcal tier teams spend a lot of time and money to play Socal teams on CAHA weekends, but have few teams to play locally.  Since we only have a few teams up here, it makes it a necessary evil if we're going to play as a state.  It used to be that teams would travel and end up playing local teams, but I think that was mostly fixed last year.  Now that the flights are set, maybe they'll be smart enough (or hear from enough affected teams) that they'll double-check the schedules.


Jamboree aside, I wouldn't say that CAHA Tier is worth the time or money for Norcal families at all.  The cost of all that would buy almost unlimited local ice or trips to some nice tournaments farther east.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on September 21, 2017, 07:51:39 PM
Well then why didn't the few teams travel to play the majority of the teams? Cuz it makes more sense to have more teams travel than just the few you are talking about.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 22, 2017, 08:19:07 AM
Well then why didn't the few teams travel to play the majority of the teams? Cuz it makes more sense to have more teams travel than just the few you are talking about.


i really think it was about ice availability, once the Ducks build their facility, i can see them alternating year to year. One year in NorCal one year in SoCal.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Avcadet on September 22, 2017, 08:38:20 AM
Well then why didn't the few teams travel to play the majority of the teams? Cuz it makes more sense to have more teams travel than just the few you are talking about.


i really think it was about ice availability, once the Ducks build their facility, i can see them alternating year to year. One year in NorCal on year is SoCal.
I asked a CAHA Director at the State Championship games about everything being up north. He told me it had to do with one location having 4 rinks vs. multiple locations down here. He remarked that once the new Irvine Ducks facility was built there would be rotations.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: dreal on September 22, 2017, 09:41:58 AM

Initially, I was disappointed in the "Two Tier" system.  It was my belief that the travel to San Jose was pointless and that a subjective evaluation would be biased, with the Coaches conducting their evals.  As I watched at the Bantam and Midget level (I have kids at each level) and when it all played out, the teams were (IMO) placed at the appropriate level.  Two years ago, when my older son played Bantam AA and his Ducks team went to Nationals.  During that season, a Kings2 AA team played a horrible SCAHA pre-season, did not win a game, and was badly outscored.  The Coach and the Club recommended that the team drop to Bantam A.  The PARENTS were furious and demanded they remain at the AA level.  The Club, who did not want to lose a group of families, relented and allowed them to play at the AA level.  As expected, their team went 0-15, scored 4 goals and gave up 129!!  We played them and they did not have a shot on goal and we stopped shooting on net halfway through the 2nd period.  I didn't think that anyone "won" in that scenario.


I'm not sure if this new process is perfect and most likely needs some "fine tuning".  But it does put teams at a level where parity exists.  The lower flight will play games that should be competitive as will the upper tier.  This is just my opinion, and no I am not affiliated with CAHA.  Just my humble opinion...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on September 22, 2017, 09:52:51 AM
The placement of the teams was fairly accurate, I agree. I believe that there will always be errors in placement due to a team missing players that weekend or having a bad showing. There is not a perfect solution. There will always be someone who is unhappy. The issue, for me, is that most people already knew where the teams were gonna end up with or without the jubilee. With that being said, now flight 2 is comprised of all SoCal teams, is there any reason that these teams need to go to NoCal to play teams already in their backyard? There is plenty of ice for those teams to play on.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: dreal on September 22, 2017, 10:21:16 AM
I agree with Voice in ur head, the lower Tier teams should not travel to Northern California to play Southern California teams.  Hockey is a huge financial commitment and hopefully CAHA will utilize good judgement and common sense...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 22, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
I hope so, we already gave San Jose some tax money.  They're good.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 22, 2017, 01:37:21 PM
Two years ago, when my older son played Bantam AA and his Ducks team went to Nationals.  During that season, a Kings2 AA team played a horrible SCAHA pre-season, did not win a game, and was badly outscored.  The Coach and the Club recommended that the team drop to Bantam A.  The PARENTS were furious and demanded they remain at the AA level.  The Club, who did not want to lose a group of families, relented and allowed them to play at the AA level.  As expected, their team went 0-15, scored 4 goals and gave up 129!!  We played them and they did not have a shot on goal and we stopped shooting on net halfway through the 2nd period.  I didn't think that anyone "won" in that scenario.


That was the old days.  The last few seasons, teams that are far below the average have been dropping or getting forced to drop from every level from Tier2 to BB.  There was no need for this Flight system.  It may be clearcut for Bantams this season, but I can tell you that U16 people seem to take issue with the assignments. 


In PW my kid's team played a tough schedule, had all close games and got dropped into the 2nd flight where we get to play 5 other teams, one of which we have already beaten 2x by 5 goal margins each time.  If we had simply tied a game 3-3 that we lost 3-2 (and outshot the opponent by 5 shots as well) we would probably be in the top flight.  This happened for one reason and one reason only -- politics.  Our record was 1-3.  Another top flight team was 1-3.  "That's a strong team and should be in the topflight!"  Ok.  And that team we are talking about, lost to the same team we lost to 3-2, 3-0.  The team we beat 10-5 this weekend, played another team placed in the top flight over us, by 5-3 the weekend before.  We were told that flighting was to insure competition.  When you are losing to top flight teams by 2 goals in games where the shots are roughly even, and you could have won with a bit of puck luck, your team shouldn't be put in the lower flight and ours was. 


This is a solution nobody needed to a problem that doesn't exist.  It was tried roughly 10 years ago, but nobody at CAHA has any institutional knowledge.  I'm a bit tired of people talking about these extreme situations (OMG a team beat another team by 8 goals!).  I predict there will be any number of lopsided victories in the upper flight this year.  Will they double down to 4 flights next year?  It's kids hockey, these are games, it's a team game, there are geographical issues and size issues that benefit some clubs and handicap others, but at the end of the day, every single player in the NHL can tell you about games they played as a kid where the team they played on got spanked, or conversely beat another team badly.  It is not an important issue, it is part of life.  If this system was such a great idea, how come we don't see it anyplace else? 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Into the Boards on September 22, 2017, 02:02:21 PM
Sorry, but there is simply no other youth league I have ever heard of that evaluates teams and then categorizes them BEFORE they've even played a game.  This completely favors teams that move up together or that have been playing together for years over teams that are just coming together. 

What if 3 teams from Flight 2 all drastically improve and repeatedly beat top 8 teams from Flight 1?  Only that first place team in Flight 2 has the chance to go to the playoffs.  The other two Flight 2 teams are just screwed...all because someone judged them BEFORE the season had even begun!

This is exactly why no other leagues do it this way.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: skates on September 22, 2017, 02:07:19 PM
This all could be solved if each club was only allowed one AA for each division. Then the best of the best kids would truly be picked. When clubs have 2 AA teams one is allways trying to play above their level.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 22, 2017, 02:29:34 PM
did we ever get the criteria on how each team was evaluated?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on September 22, 2017, 02:39:29 PM
This all could be solved if each club was only allowed one AA for each division. Then the best of the best kids would truly be picked. When clubs have 2 AA teams one is allways trying to play above their level.


How true.  One AAA, One AA, One A, One BB, and as many B's as you want.  Thats approx 90-100 kids in one level for one club.   Quite a bit for any club







Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 22, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
This all could be solved if each club was only allowed one AA for each division. Then the best of the best kids would truly be picked. When clubs have 2 AA teams one is allways trying to play above their level.


I agree yes! Only three teams put in second flight were wronged based on what I see.


Simi
Valencia
Wada


The rest could be dropped to A
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 22, 2017, 03:46:43 PM
This all could be solved if each club was only allowed one AA for each division. Then the best of the best kids would truly be picked. When clubs have 2 AA teams one is allways trying to play above their level.


I agree yes! Only three teams put in second flight were wronged based on what I see.


Simi
Valencia
Wada


The rest could be dropped to A


amen
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: dreal on September 22, 2017, 06:00:00 PM

Two years ago, when my older son played Bantam AA and his Ducks team went to Nationals.  During that season, a Kings2 AA team played a horrible SCAHA pre-season, did not win a game, and was badly outscored.  The Coach and the Club recommended that the team drop to Bantam A.  The PARENTS were furious and demanded they remain at the AA level.  The Club, who did not want to lose a group of families, relented and allowed them to play at the AA level.  As expected, their team went 0-15, scored 4 goals and gave up 129!!  We played them and they did not have a shot on goal and we stopped shooting on net halfway through the 2nd period.  I didn't think that anyone "won" in that scenario.


That was the old days.  The last few seasons, teams that are far below the average have been dropping or getting forced to drop from every level from Tier2 to BB.  There was no need for this Flight system.  It may be clearcut for Bantams this season, but I can tell you that U16 people seem to take issue with the assignments. 


In PW my kid's team played a tough schedule, had all close games and got dropped into the 2nd flight where we get to play 5 other teams, one of which we have already beaten 2x by 5 goal margins each time.  If we had simply tied a game 3-3 that we lost 3-2 (and outshot the opponent by 5 shots as well) we would probably be in the top flight.  This happened for one reason and one reason only -- politics.  Our record was 1-3.  Another top flight team was 1-3.  "That's a strong team and should be in the topflight!"  Ok.  And that team we are talking about, lost to the same team we lost to 3-2, 3-0.  The team we beat 10-5 this weekend, played another team placed in the top flight over us, by 5-3 the weekend before.  We were told that flighting was to insure competition.  When you are losing to top flight teams by 2 goals in games where the shots are roughly even, and you could have won with a bit of puck luck, your team shouldn't be put in the lower flight and ours was. 


This is a solution nobody needed to a problem that doesn't exist.  It was tried roughly 10 years ago, but nobody at CAHA has any institutional knowledge.  I'm a bit tired of people talking about these extreme situations (OMG a team beat another team by 8 goals!).  I predict there will be any number of lopsided victories in the upper flight this year.  Will they double down to 4 flights next year?  It's kids hockey, these are games, it's a team game, there are geographical issues and size issues that benefit some clubs and handicap others, but at the end of the day, every single player in the NHL can tell you about games they played as a kid where the team they played on got spanked, or conversely beat another team badly.  It is not an important issue, it is part of life.  If this system was such a great idea, how come we don't see it anyplace else?


I'm not sure what you mean when you refer to the "old days?"  The season before last seems like recent memory but nonetheless.  Last season, I had the fortune of my younger son participating in Bantam AA as a minor birth year team.  They were a group of skilled players that entered Bantams a bit wide eyed and scared.  By the end of the year, they were playing better but no manner of work would have propelled them into the upper echelon of the Bantam AA Division.  When looking at last year's CAHA schedule (No SCAHA games last season), I looked at the teams that finished the season between spots 12-18 (Possible Lower Tier).  Here are some combined stats for the lower 7 teams.


Games Played:  105
Total Wins:  19
Total Losses:  76
Total Ties:  10
Goals For:  48
Goals Against:  697


Most of those teams were minor birth year teams.  I for one, would have welcomed the opportunity for my young 13 year old to play competitive games and learn the game against teams that were skilled enough to compete and develop ie Lower Tier.  In the end, the best team may have developed to a level wherein they could possibly compete against the 8th place upper tier team.  I would imagine that some people may say, "why not drop?"  Last season one team did drop (or forced) however you look at it and won the Bantam A Division went 14-0, scored 111 goals and gave up 11.  They then finished up the season with a 5-0 record in the playoffs where they scored 22 goals and surrendered 4.  State Champions in the Bantam A Division with a lot of Bantam A parents  upset that they were forced to play in their Division.  They had a talented team but I don't believe they would have been in the upper echelon in the AA Division.


Looking at a game we played two weeks ago against a group of talented 04 players?  A 14-0 win and we only gave up 1 shot.  Are they a Bantam A team?  IMO no...too talented but not big enough yet and just learning to hit.  I think they will build upon their successes in the lower tier and by the end of the year...who knows. 


It's hard to please everyone but I've been on both sides of the fence...in the end, losing, and never touching the puck or having any shots on goal, does nothing for either side.  Long response so I guess this qualifies as my 3 cents...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 22, 2017, 08:17:30 PM


I'm not sure what you mean when you refer to the "old days?"  The season before last seems like recent memory but nonetheless.  Last season, I had the fortune of my younger son participating in Bantam AA as a minor birth year team.  They were a group of skilled players that entered Bantams a bit wide eyed and scared.  By the end of the year, they were playing better but no manner of work would have propelled them into the upper echelon of the Bantam AA Division.  When looking at last year's CAHA schedule (No SCAHA games last season), I looked at the teams that finished the season between spots 12-18 (Possible Lower Tier).  Here are some combined stats for the lower 7 teams.


Games Played:  105
Total Wins:  19
Total Losses:  76
Total Ties:  10
Goals For:  48
Goals Against:  697


Most of those teams were minor birth year teams.  I for one, would have welcomed the opportunity for my young 13 year old to play competitive games and learn the game against teams that were skilled enough to compete and develop ie Lower Tier.  In the end, the best team may have developed to a level wherein they could possibly compete against the 8th place upper tier team.  I would imagine that some people may say, "why not drop?"  Last season one team did drop (or forced) however you look at it and won the Bantam A Division went 14-0, scored 111 goals and gave up 11.  They then finished up the season with a 5-0 record in the playoffs where they scored 22 goals and surrendered 4.  State Champions in the Bantam A Division with a lot of Bantam A parents  upset that they were forced to play in their Division.  They had a talented team but I don't believe they would have been in the upper echelon in the AA Division.


Looking at a game we played two weeks ago against a group of talented 04 players?  A 14-0 win and we only gave up 1 shot.  Are they a Bantam A team?  IMO no...too talented but not big enough yet and just learning to hit.  I think they will build upon their successes in the lower tier and by the end of the year...who knows. 


It's hard to please everyone but I've been on both sides of the fence...in the end, losing, and never touching the puck or having any shots on goal, does nothing for either side.  Long response so I guess this qualifies as my 3 cents...



Loooonng rant


But good perspective.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on September 23, 2017, 07:26:02 AM
I think CAHA is giving a dose of bitter pill this year to see if this will remedy teams from playing out of the skill level in the future.  Will it work?  I don't know.


I think possibly a better solution but not without it's own problems, would be a longer preseason with more games.  Maybe two games a weekend and the a mandatory evaluation and placement by CAHA forcing down teams that do not belong. 


There is no Utopia.  Every system will have it's detractors and reasons for it "being all wrong". 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 23, 2017, 08:26:18 AM
As someone previously stated, until the rule of having to release your roster if team is banished to a lower division is changed, parents will still continue to reach for that extra A.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 23, 2017, 03:31:36 PM
I think CAHA is giving a dose of bitter pill this year to see if this will remedy teams from playing out of the skill level in the future.  Will it work?  I don't know.


I think possibly a better solution but not without it's own problems, would be a longer preseason with more games.  Maybe two games a weekend and the a mandatory evaluation and placement by CAHA forcing down teams that do not belong. 


There is no Utopia.  Every system will have it's detractors and reasons for it "being all wrong".


If you look at the problem Bantam AA teams it isn't going to change things.


Kings2
Ducks2
Wildcats

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 23, 2017, 10:45:25 PM
This week's picks:

OCHC1 @ Bears (Game of the week) - Bears by 4
Reign @ Flyers - Flyers by 2
Wave1 @ Wave2 - Wave2 by 1
Kings1 @ Kings2 - Kings1 by 2
Lady Ducks @ Ducks1 - Duck1 by 5
Mariners @ Ducks2 - Mariners by 3
Empire @ OCHC2 - Empire by 4
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 24, 2017, 10:27:08 AM
Schedule is up.... here comes the bitchin!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 24, 2017, 10:46:34 AM
Schedule is up.... here comes the bitchin!

Ok I will start... F CAHA for not doing us a solid and making flight 2 travel up north twice.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 24, 2017, 11:23:22 AM
OCHC1 at Bears...


1-1 after 1st


6-2 Bears after 2nd
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 24, 2017, 11:36:46 AM
Schedule is up.... here comes the bitchin!

Ok I will start... F CAHA for not doing us a solid and making flight 2 travel up north twice.


100% agree


My kids team has 3 games on KHS-B... ridiculous
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 24, 2017, 11:46:35 AM
OCHC1 at Bears...


1-1 after 1st


6-2 Bears after 2nd


6-3 Bears final...  OC hung with them at times...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 24, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
The main issue seems to be that we have birthyear major/minor and hybrid teams all playing each other.  This is certainly a problem but not solved by flighting.  It starts with the CAHA approach to AAA which is out of step with other places, and with what USA Hockey suggests.  But at least in AAA you have birth year teams playing other birth year teams.  A lot of the problem was created when SCAHA (and CAHA) started allowing entire teams of kids playing up a division in non-Tier and AA. 

They have begun the process of stopping this, by stopping kids from playing up out of Mite. 

It's a very draconian reversal that doesn't recognize the frustration that some parents who start their kids playing hockey at a young age have at the point that they have already watched 3-4 years of cross ice hockey. 

I think the logical solution, without backsliding into allowing 100% mite teams to play up to squirt, is to add a new top tier for mite teams to play full ice games, once they have participated in a full season of Level1 cross ice, or whatever they call the top level.

I agree that if these "play up" teams were removed, we would have far less of an issue, as at the squirt and peewee level, they have driven the 2-3 teams at a club phenomenon.

What you see at Bantam is what a lot of people who are familiar with the way different kids mature and develop predicted for years: that the differences in physical maturation become more important once checking is introduced.    It's much harder, even for the top 5% underage kids to compete with teams that are physically more mature, and at the same time, some of the things that made those kids better aren't that special anymore.  They tend to return to the pack with 1 or 2 exceptions.  Even at Peewee AA this looks to be the case.  CAHA chose to place an '07 team into the top Flight this season, with very little competitive information to back that decision up.  We will see how things go, but the other '07 teams are in the lower flight and we will also see how they fare.  I think there will be some issues for both set of teams.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on September 24, 2017, 04:04:38 PM
OCHC1 at Bears...


1-1 after 1st


6-2 Bears after 2nd


6-3 Bears final...  OC hung with them at times...
bears are a solid team and what sets them apart from what I can see is that they play disciplined, mistake free hockey. OC1 played great when they were at full strength, but, 6 penalties pretty much killed any chance they had. Great game and really great pace of play. Gonna be a fun season.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 24, 2017, 04:46:58 PM
Valencia 9
Flight 3 Wildcats 0


Simi 7
Flight 3 Ducks-2  1


Wada 3
flight 1 Wave 3




Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on September 24, 2017, 06:54:09 PM
OCHC1 at Bears...


1-1 after 1st


6-2 Bears after 2nd


6-3 Bears final...  OC hung with them at times...
bears are a solid team and what sets them apart from what I can see is that they play disciplined, mistake free hockey. OC1 played great when they were at full strength, but, 6 penalties pretty much killed any chance they had. Great game and really great pace of play. Gonna be a fun season.


Another thing the Bears do well is avoid checks. OC would often go in with a heavy check and hit the boards. This would take that OC player out of the play leading to an odd-man rush or high quality scoring opportunity. The Bears seemed to check only to separate a player from the puck while OC seemed to be checking players out of the play to send a message. I specifically remember a 3-on-2 in the first and a 3-on-1 in the third. It will take a fast and well disciplined team to beat them. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on September 24, 2017, 07:24:12 PM
Anyone know the score of the Bears vs 04 Kings?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on September 24, 2017, 07:29:56 PM
Anyone know the score of the Bears vs 04 Kings?


They beat the Gulls AAA team 12-2 yesterday and tied the Kings AAA team 3-3 but that was after a game against OCHC AA this morning.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 24, 2017, 08:42:45 PM
OCHC(2) 1-  Empire 8
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on September 24, 2017, 09:03:18 PM
Valencia 9
Flight 3 Wildcats 0


Simi 7
Flight 3 Ducks-2  1


Wada 3
flight 1 Wave 3


So did the 03's take it easy on the little brothers? Not taking anything from the 04's but I know several expected the 03's would win.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on September 24, 2017, 09:57:43 PM

So did the 03's take it easy on the little brothers? Not taking anything from the 04's but I know several expected the 03's would win.
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To the contrary, Wave 1 set out to intimidate their little brothers and and, with a few exceptions, they spent the game "sending messages" and running around rather than playing hockey.  It took the referee a while to get involved but he ended up giving them 14 penalties (letting a lot more go) and ejecting 2 of their players.  Many of the Wave 1 players appeared to have little interest in hockey but entertained themselves by head hunting, charging, and boarding when not preoccupied with running their mouths off.  (They even managed to reduce the score keeper to tears -- hurling invective at her that should have resulted in further ejections.)  The Wave 1 coaches narrowly avoided getting a suspension themselves.   

I don't know whether the Wave 1 coaches are teaching their kids to play this way or just don't have any control of their bench, but either way it was a shameful display.  Wave 2 didn't back down but it was hard for anyone to play real hockey for fear of getting elbowed in the head, speared or boarded.  The Wave 1 coaches need to get their kids under control or they will have a troubled season.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 24, 2017, 11:14:08 PM
So did the 03's take it easy on the little brothers? Not taking anything from the 04's but I know several expected the 03's would win.

Game was pretty much a sh*t show from the get go. Wave1's objective appeared to be running their opponents with intent to intimidate and injure. No doubt It was one of the most reckless hockey game I've ever seen.

The Bears seemed to only checked to separate a player from the puck while OC seemed to be checking players out of the play to send a message.

Speaking of "sending a message," Wave1 is the exact opposite of the Bears. Zero discipline with maybe one or two skilled kids trying to go coast to coast. "Sending a message" was the name of their game with most hits being led with elbows and sticks, or worst yet, from behind.

It would've probably be a good game between the two Wave teams but Wave1 were too busy trying to act like a bunch of bad asses. Shame really, refs did try to keep things under control but Wave1 would not stop with the dirty hits... Wave1 coaches should take responsibilities for losing control of their bench and letting their kids pick up penalties after penalties.

 Game ended with Wave1 picking up 14 penalties (without counting the ones they got away with), one shy of coach getting suspended.
 
 The 14 penalties were as follow:
 
 Head contact 2
 Misconduct 10
 Charging 5
 Misconduct 10
 Game misconduct - player kicked out
 Checking from behind 2
 Misconduct 10
 Tripping 2
 Boarding 2
 Misconduct 10
 Checking from behind 2
 Misconduct 10
 Roughing 2
 Roughing 2
 
Pretty sad to see a group of kids trying to run at opponents instead of playing hockey. Not sure what their coaches tell them on the bench or perhaps that's their brand of hockey, or maybe they don't know how to check or something, but it's dangerous, reckless and concerning for their opponents.
 
 I'm sure Wave1 parents would disagree, but impossible to dispute the numerous penalties called on Wave1 and on multiple occasions they had so many kids in the box, it was embarrassing.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 25, 2017, 07:11:35 AM
Well, on the up side, they only got one lazy penalty :o .  Looks like a scene from Slap Shot ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 25, 2017, 09:53:18 AM
Can we just call out Laura Cahn for for she runs Vacaville rink and sits on the CAHA board.

So when a weekend needed to be dropped she chose a So Cal weekend getting dumped so her rink wouldn't lose that money.

Conflict of interest much?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 25, 2017, 09:56:48 AM
Can we just call out Laura Chan for for she runs Vacaville rink and sits on the CAHA board.

So when a weekend needed to be dropped she chose a So Cal weekend getting dumped so her rink wouldn't lose that money.

Conflict of interest much?
That bring said, sounds to me like a BIG conflict of interest.  Would LOVE to hear the justification for this decision.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 25, 2017, 10:08:38 AM
Can we just call out Laura Cahn for for she runs Vacaville rink and sits on the CAHA board.

So when a weekend needed to be dropped she chose a So Cal weekend getting dumped so her rink wouldn't lose that money.

Conflict of interest much?


Aha!  Thanks for this information.  Things getting much clearer with each passing day.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on September 25, 2017, 10:11:15 AM
Maybe y'all haven't been paying attention, or may be y'all are new to this? Whenever a weekend is cancelled, it's Dec or Jan, and that's usually a SoCal locale. Been like this for years, not a grand conspiracy.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 25, 2017, 10:25:15 AM
Maybe y'all haven't been paying attention, or may be y'all are new to this? Whenever a weekend is cancelled, it's Dec or Jan, and that's usually a SoCal locale. Been like this for years, not a grand conspiracy.

First off when have we never ever had a dumb flight system where one flight is all So Cal teams?

Second they could of kept flight two at KHS and had a weekend there. Noooo that would cost Vacaville  money and can you say conflict of Interest.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on September 25, 2017, 10:31:25 AM
Maybe y'all haven't been paying attention, or may be y'all are new to this? Whenever a weekend is cancelled, it's Dec or Jan, and that's usually a SoCal locale. Been like this for years, not a grand conspiracy.


Maybe you haven't been paying attention to the fact that the Bantam and Peewee Flight2 groups have 0 norcal teams in them.  As a matter of fact, there are only 6 teams in PW Flight 2 now because 2 teams were forced down.   At least in Bantams you still have 8.


There is no need to go to Norcal to play a CAHA weekend when there are 0 teams from Norcal involved.  Then add in the fact that at the same time people are questioning why this is happening, CAHA announces that the same Flight2 teams will not play at Lakewood.


In summary, it's illogical and the product of either bad planning, bad management, stubbornness, insensitivity, arrogance or maybe something worse if that is even possible.   It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to see a conflict of interest exists here in light of such blatant disregard for wasting peoples' time and money. 


Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on September 25, 2017, 10:55:27 AM
Since this directly affects at least 200 So Cal families, our team managers and coaches should unite on the issue and get it settled appropriately and promptly through their channel.


CAHA needs us.  Stupid, expensive, and completely unnecessary things like this continuing is what shrinks the pool year after year.  High School hockey or alternative sports will now definitely receive more interest.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 25, 2017, 11:38:57 AM
and then throw in the extra trip for the Jamboree. They might not count the Jamboree as a CAHA Weekend, but it looks the same to every teams BUDGET!
There is something more to them not willing to cancel Feb San Jose! They say they don't want our season to end in February. We will still have SCAHA games and Presidents Day Tournaments...STOP pretending you're doing us a favor. I would bet that every coach, manager, and parent on the eight Flight 2 teams would vote to cancel Feb San Jose!
CAHA needs a new board!!! this is BS


from Icadad, 100% right on:
In summary, it's illogical and the product of either bad planning, bad management, stubbornness, insensitivity, arrogance or maybe something worse if that is even possible.   It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to see a conflict of interest exists here in light of such blatant disregard for wasting peoples' time and money.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pass_the_puck on September 25, 2017, 12:14:35 PM
Valencia 9
Flight 3 Wildcats 0


Simi 7
Flight 3 Ducks-2  1


Wada 3
flight 1 Wave 3


But I thought the flight system was going to prevent scores like that.  ??? 9-0 and 7-1  between teams in the same flight 2.  What a joke. This weekend just proved that CAHA screwed up the season for so many. We pay way too much money for this BS.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 25, 2017, 12:23:56 PM
Can we just call out Laura Cahn for for she runs Vacaville rink and sits on the CAHA board.

So when a weekend needed to be dropped she chose a So Cal weekend getting dumped so her rink wouldn't lose that money.

Conflict of interest much?

Some of the club presidents have already questioned the CAHA Board and the rather odd way they carry out their responsibilities. Essentially, the response from the CAHA schedulers was the typical, "You signed up for it. It's too late to change. Are there any other questions I can answer?" (Actually, when we signed up there was no goofy flight system).

Anyway, I have come to the belief that the only way to go about this is to take our concerns directly to USA Hockey. I am currently putting together a very well-reasoned and thorough letter that outlines some of the concerns so many of us have. It will take a week or so to finalize as I want to make sure my facts are accurate. I want the person at USA Hockey to understand how many people here have valid concerns with some of the members of the CAHA Board. My goal is to leave emotion out of it and simply back up my arguments with facts. The main points of my letter will be:
The concern I am trying to express is that special favors are given to certain people. The Board seems to have forgotten whom they represent and have taken on somewhat of a "siege mentality" where they believe it's "us against them." Of course, the California hockey families are "them."

Obviously, the situation where approximately 200 families from Southern California have to take their kids to Vacaville to play each other needs to be addressed. The connection is now quite clear. The marketing material coming from the NHL and USA Hockey tells us Hockey is for Everyone. CAHA's decision-making process contradicts this. My family works very hard and earns an income that allows us to spend tons of money on a youth sport. Not every family can. Yes, I can buy a couple tickets on Southwest to Sacramento, pick up a rental car for the weekend, get a $150/night hotel for three nights and eat every meal in a restaurant for three days and still not miss a meal. Do you think this inhibits hockey's growth in our state?

The knee-jerk reaction I hear from so many is that "those people" should not play hockey. If we want to grow our sport, and if we want the very best athletes to become hockey players, we really need to find ways to make it more accessible. CAHA can't see this.

We understand our kids play in a state-wide league. We were all prepared to do the travelling and weren't complaining about it. When the hockey landscape was changed this season and we learned only SoCal teams were in the 2nd flight, CAHA was given an opportunity to do something good that could have calmed some of the more upset families and moved the Vacaville weekend to SoCal. They chose to dig in their heels and put their own wants/needs over those of the people that pay the bills.

Somebody in a position of responsibility above the state level should at least be brought into the loop as to what is happening here.

On another note, how does one go about getting a spot on the CAHA Board? I plan on looking into this a bit more but it seems that we need some of us in the decision-making positions. I would be very happy to do whatever I can to try and improve CA hockey for our kids and their families. I'd be happy to buy my own plane tickets to their meetings each month (or whenever they meet).
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 25, 2017, 12:31:54 PM
Valencia 9
Flight 3 Wildcats 0


Simi 7
Flight 3 Ducks-2  1


Wada 3
flight 1 Wave 3


But I thought the flight system was going to prevent scores like that.  ??? 9-0 and 7-1  between teams in the same flight 2.  What a joke. This weekend just proved that CAHA screwed up the season for so many. We pay way too much money for this BS.
Next season, we'll have 3 Flights
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 25, 2017, 12:33:39 PM
High School hockey or alternative sports will now definitely receive more interest.

It's interesting you mentioned this. I believe you are correct. I have always wondered if there was a correlation between poor leadership at CAHA and the growth of the high school leagues. Who knows, maybe it's a way for the NHL-affiliated clubs to take players out of CAHA and get them into leagues they control?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on September 25, 2017, 12:39:07 PM
CAHA would need to have an equal board as SCAHA does, each club gets one vote. But good luck getting that from the Big 3, when you have all the votes, why would anyone give that up!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 25, 2017, 12:45:50 PM
Can we just call out Laura Cahn for for she runs Vacaville rink and sits on the CAHA board.

So when a weekend needed to be dropped she chose a So Cal weekend getting dumped so her rink wouldn't lose that money.

Conflict of interest much?

Some of the club presidents have already questioned the CAHA Board and the rather odd way they carry out their responsibilities. Essentially, the response from the CAHA schedulers was the typical, "You signed up for it. It's too late to change. Are there any other questions I can answer?" (Actually, when we signed up their was no goofy flight system).

Anyway, I have come to the belief that the only way to go about this is to take our concerns directly to USA Hockey. I am currently putting together a very well-reasoned and thorough letter that outlines some of the concerns so many of us have. It will take a week or so to finalize as I want to make sure my facts are accurate. I want the person at USA Hockey to understand how many people here have valid concerns with some of the members of the CAHA Board. My goal is to leave emotion out of it and simply back up my arguments with facts. The main points of my letter will be:
  • Announcing the Flight system after LOIs were signed and the placement of teams. It's pretty easy to show that a team that won no games in San Jose, and was placed in the first flight, had strong CAHA Board representation. Likewise, the same club has a team that was allowed to stay in AA when they have no business being there.
  • The Wildcats/Jr. Reign should have been dropped. There is no reason they should have been allowed to remain a "AA" team. They also have CAHA Board representation. Favors are given to those "in the clique."
  • The Wildcats/Jr. Reign's designation as a "Model ADM Club" should be called into question. If you do some research and actually read the PowerPoint presentations their president delivered to USA Hockey you'd think you were living in an alternate reality. USA Hockey apparently has accepted everything they have been told by the person from Riverside. A strong counter-argument needs to be presented to them. To support my position I have all their stats and related info from the past few years and can show how the club's actions appear to contradict the goals of the ADM in a rather large way. Once you begin creating graphs and putting information into picture form you begin to see things more clearly.
The concern I am trying to express is that special favors are given to certain people. The Board seems to have forgotten who they represent and have taken on somewhat of a "siege mentality" where they believe it's "us against them." Of course, the California hockey families are "them."

Obviously, the situation where approximately 200 families from Southern California have to take their kids to Vacaville to play each other needs to be addressed. The connection is now quite clear. The marketing material coming from the NHL and USA Hockey tells us Hockey is for Everyone. CAHA's decision making process contradicts this. My family works very hard and earns an income that allows us to spend tons of money on a youth sport. Not every family can. Yes, I can buy a couple tickets on Southwest to Sacramento, pick up a rental car for the weekend, get a $150/night hotel for three nights and eat every meal in a a restaurant for three days and still not miss a meal. Do you think this inhibits hockey's growth in our state?

The knee-jerk reaction I hear from so many is that "those people" should not play hockey. If we want to grow our sports, and if we want the very best athletes to become hockey players, we really need to find ways to make it more accessible. CAHA can't see this.

We understand our kids play in a state-wide league. We were all prepared to do the travelling and weren't complaining about it. When the hockey landscape was changed this season and we learned only SoCal teams were in the 2nd flight, CAHA was given an opportunity to do something good that could have calmed some of the more upset families and moved the Vacaville weekend to SoCal. They chose to dig in their heels and put their own wants/needs over those of the people that pay the bills.

Somebody is a position of responsibility above the state level should at least be brought into the loop as to what is happening here.

On another note, how does one go about getting a spot on the CAHA Board? I plan on looking into this a bit more but it seems that we need some of us in the decision-making positions. I would be very happy to do whatever I can to try and improve CA hockey for our kids and their families. I'd be happy to buy my own plane tickets to their meetings each month (or whenever they meet).

Page 80 of CAHA guidebook


Got it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: NorcalDad on September 25, 2017, 12:56:19 PM







On another note, how does one go about getting a spot on the CAHA Board? I plan on looking into this a bit more but it seems that we need some of us in the decision-making positions. I would be very happy to do whatever I can to try and improve CA hockey for our kids and their families. I'd be happy to buy my own plane tickets to their meetings each month (or whenever they meet).


38.1 The affairs of CAHA shall be governed and managed by a voting Board of twenty (20) Directors as follows:
   h. Beginning 2015, eighteen (18) Directors elected by a vote of the Registered Participant Members.
   i. Two (2) Directors automatically seated by their position as heads of their Affiliate Leagues as follows:
       1. Southern California Amateur Hockey Association Commissioner
       2. Northern California Youth Hockey Association President




While "Registered Participant Members" are players and coaches, their "voting rights shall be exercised by an Authorized Representative of their Member Association" [27.6].


For us up north, the Sharks field almost 25% of the teams, so that's how they get their power.  Oakland and Santa Clara play on Sharks-owned ice, so it's not often that they can go against their landlords.  GSE and its feeder clubs make an interesting cabal.


Seems like you need to first get on your club's board and be named as their authorized rep to CAHA.  Then hope 10 other people can do the same so you'll have a majority.



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Hockey05 on September 25, 2017, 01:18:13 PM
Maybe y'all haven't been paying attention, or may be y'all are new to this? Whenever a weekend is cancelled, it's Dec or Jan, and that's usually a SoCal locale. Been like this for years, not a grand conspiracy.


Maybe you haven't been paying attention to the fact that the Bantam and Peewee Flight2 groups have 0 norcal teams in them.  As a matter of fact, there are only 6 teams in PW Flight 2 now because 2 teams were forced down.   At least in Bantams you still have 8.


There is no need to go to Norcal to play a CAHA weekend when there are 0 teams from Norcal involved.  Then add in the fact that at the same time people are questioning why this is happening, CAHA announces that the same Flight2 teams will not play at Lakewood.


In summary, it's illogical and the product of either bad planning, bad management, stubbornness, insensitivity, arrogance or maybe something worse if that is even possible.   It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to see a conflict of interest exists here in light of such blatant disregard for wasting peoples' time and money.


I'll add that most of these clubs all too willingly went along with this utter nonsense with no one thinking any of this garbage through. 
It's thousands of dollars and a huge waste of time.  I hope everyone has a great season.   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pass_the_puck on September 25, 2017, 02:07:31 PM
The idea of flights sounded ok in theory. We weren't sure how it was going to play out and kept hope that they wouldn't do a flight system if it wasn't called for. Wrong. We have three teams that don't belong in AA at all and they had to force 8 in flight two due to their stupid 10 team limit for flight 1.

Let's not forget that the original announcement listed Gulls1 in Flight 1.   I'd like to see those evaluations.
Honestly how does a mistake like that happen if you are creating a list based on game evaluations?  Were they that careless? Looks like they just copied and pasted the peewee flight 1 and made some adjustments to fit their agenda. The person who created the list didn't even check their own 10 team rule. They had 11 in flight 1.

What rule states CAHA's decisions cannot be questioned? I think they should have to explain their reasoning for each team and their respective placement. Based on games this past weekend they didn't do a very good job evaluating. Who were the evaluators? Oh that's right, the coaches. Another conflict of interest.

Flight 1

Bears
Blackhawks
Ducks(1)
Empire
GSE(1)
GSE(2)
Gulls(1)
Kings(1)
OCHC(1)
Sharks
Wave(1)



Flight 2

Ducks(2)
Flyers
Kings(2)
Mariners
OCHC(2)
Reign
Saints
Wave(2)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 25, 2017, 02:22:45 PM
The idea of flights sounded ok in theory. We weren't sure how it was going to play out and kept hope that they wouldn't do a flight system if it wasn't called for. Wrong. We have three teams that don't belong in AA at all and they had to force 8 in flight two due to their stupid 10 team limit for flight 1.

Let's not forget that the original announcement listed Gulls1 in Flight 1.   I'd like to see those evaluations.
Honestly how does a mistake like that happen if you are creating a list based on game evaluations?  Were they that careless? Looks like they just copied and pasted the peewee flight 1 and made some adjustments to fit their agenda. The person who created the list didn't even check their own 10 team rule. They had 11 in flight 1.

What rule states CAHA's decisions cannot be questioned? I think they should have to explain their reasoning for each team and their respective placement. Based on games this past weekend they didn't do a very good job evaluating. Who were the evaluators? Oh that's right, the coaches. Another conflict of interest.

Flight 1

Bears
Blackhawks
Ducks(1)
Empire
GSE(1)
GSE(2)
Gulls(1)
Kings(1)
OCHC(1)
Sharks
Wave(1)



Flight 2

Ducks(2)
Flyers
Kings(2)
Mariners
OCHC(2)
Reign
Saints
Wave(2)


what teams do you believe are not AA caliber?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 25, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
The idea of flights sounded ok in theory. We weren't sure how it was going to play out and kept hope that they wouldn't do a flight system if it wasn't called for. Wrong. We have three teams that don't belong in AA at all and they had to force 8 in flight two due to their stupid 10 team limit for flight 1.

Let's not forget that the original announcement listed Gulls1 in Flight 1.   I'd like to see those evaluations.
Honestly how does a mistake like that happen if you are creating a list based on game evaluations?  Were they that careless? Looks like they just copied and pasted the peewee flight 1 and made some adjustments to fit their agenda. The person who created the list didn't even check their own 10 team rule. They had 11 in flight 1.

What rule states CAHA's decisions cannot be questioned? I think they should have to explain their reasoning for each team and their respective placement. Based on games this past weekend they didn't do a very good job evaluating. Who were the evaluators? Oh that's right, the coaches. Another conflict of interest.

Flight 1

Bears
Blackhawks
Ducks(1)
Empire
GSE(1)
GSE(2)
Gulls(1)
Kings(1)
OCHC(1)
Sharks
Wave(1)



Flight 2

Ducks(2)
Flyers
Kings(2)
Mariners
OCHC(2)
Reign
Saints
Wave(2)

what teams do you believe are not AA caliber?


I think the general consensus is
I question JK(1) in the top flight. We'll see how they do once they start playing real AA teams. They have had a somewhat sheltered preseason and a winless San Jose experience.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: UhhhhDuhhhh on September 25, 2017, 04:09:11 PM
I think OCHC (2) should also be in this conversation.
You're such a tool! 3 clubs in 4 years and already quit again - never make playoffs? common denominator? Have fun paying dues for nothing.  Yes, OC2 is a minor year team with a few exceptions.  One Dec 03, One who never played ice (only roller) and a kid on his 3rd year in skates.  OC 1 last year went through the same process and now are in the running for the top 3-4 teams.  OC2 just lost to Empire in a game that was 2-1 going into the 3rd.  There's a huge difference in size between many of these kids and OC2 held their own until falling apart at the end.  I'm sure the Empire group didn't feel like it was a total waste of time.  Next week won't be any easier but they will get better just like Wada, Kings 2 and Ducks.  BYE TOOL 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 25, 2017, 04:24:13 PM
LOL, don't let the "2-1 going into the 3rd" fool you.  The game was not close and the outcome was predetermined.  Let's look at SOG, scoring opportunities and puck possession for starters. It will be interesting to see how they hold up in the 2nd flight.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Another Blown Call on September 25, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
Completely disagree with Blind Zebras. The game was very close through two periods.
Predetermined......not. Nice try.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on September 25, 2017, 05:49:54 PM
Completely disagree with Blind Zebras. The game was very close through two periods.
Predetermined......not. Nice try.

I was expecting a response somewhere along the lines of, "If you knew anything about tier hockey and CAHA you'd realize this was only a preseson game and didn't count for anything. Our coach used the opportunity to experiment with different lines, let the goalie play center and see what would happen if the entire team participated in a midnight marathon right before the game."

Perhaps we'll see these types of resposes every time a Flight 2 team beats a Flight 1 team in a tournament or weekly SCAHA game this season. Should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on September 25, 2017, 05:51:23 PM
So did the 03's take it easy on the little brothers? Not taking anything from the 04's but I know several expected the 03's would win.

Game was pretty much a sh*t show from the get go. Wave1's objective appeared to be running their opponents with intent to intimidate and injure. No doubt It was one of the most reckless hockey game I've ever seen.

The Bears seemed to only checked to separate a player from the puck while OC seemed to be checking players out of the play to send a message.

Speaking of "sending a message," Wave1 is the exact opposite of the Bears. Zero discipline with maybe one or two skilled kids trying to go coast to coast. "Sending a message" was the name of their game with most hits being led with elbows and sticks, or worst yet, from behind.

It would've probably be a good game between the two Wave teams but Wave1 were too busy trying to act like a bunch of bad asses. Shame really, refs did try to keep things under control but Wave1 would not stop with the dirty hits... Wave1 coaches should take responsibilities for losing control of their bench and letting their kids pick up penalties after penalties.

 Game ended with Wave1 picking up 14 penalties (without counting the ones they got away with), one shy of coach getting suspended.
 
 The 14 penalties were as follow:
 
 Head contact 2
 Misconduct 10
 Charging 5
 Misconduct 10
 Game misconduct - player kicked out
 Checking from behind 2
 Misconduct 10
 Tripping 2
 Boarding 2
 Misconduct 10
 Checking from behind 2
 Misconduct 10
 Roughing 2
 Roughing 2
 
Pretty sad to see a group of kids trying to run at opponents instead of playing hockey. Not sure what their coaches tell them on the bench or perhaps that's their brand of hockey, or maybe they don't know how to check or something, but it's dangerous, reckless and concerning for their opponents.
 
 I'm sure Wave1 parents would disagree, but impossible to dispute the numerous penalties called on Wave1 and on multiple occasions they had so many kids in the box, it was embarrassing.


Wow...sounds like it was like being in a cage fight. Although I'm sure their parents may not see it that way. Hopefully no one was hurt. The club should be concerned with the lack of control the coach may have on his team....better yet the coach should be concerned about being suspended if they continue with those amount of penalties.


Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 25, 2017, 07:05:23 PM
Completely disagree with Blind Zebras. The game was very close through two periods.
Predetermined......not. Nice try.
Hahaha!! The only thing close was the score. The Empire boys hardly celebrated the goals and laid off the hitting in the 3rd. OC's 1st goalie played well, that big O on his chest makes a nice target. I believe 2 of Empire's 1st three goals came shorthanded and they clearly had more scoring chances on the PK. If you have video be sure watch it without those rose-colored glasses...
Title: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Another Blown Call on September 25, 2017, 09:07:03 PM
Blind Zebra......are you just bitter that the Ducks 04 AAA team beat your
boys 6-2 earlier in the day. I am sure that they held up and laid off the hitting
in the third like your boys did (not)....or maybe you had one too many beers in
the parking lot to remember the game.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 25, 2017, 10:13:36 PM
I thank the Beer Gods for making that debacle watchable. I'm sure you're more interested in our morning game rather than the boat race that ensued later that evening.  No bitterness here except the time wasted responding to your delusions. If you'd like a rematch, the Empire might make room for you on a future Saturday morning. Bring your wallet and some tissue.


Wait, before you respond, are you an actual OC2 parent or just some troll?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 26, 2017, 08:36:56 AM
I thank the Beer Gods for making that debacle watchable. I'm sure you're more interested in our morning game rather than the boat race that ensued later that evening.  No bitterness here except the time wasted responding to your delusions. If you'd like a rematch, the Empire might make room for you on a future Saturday morning. Bring your wallet and some tissue.


Wait, before you respond, are you an actual OC2 parent or just some troll?
BZ....too many beers in the parking lot ??
Should look into WW next year. ;)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: UhhhhDuhhhh on September 26, 2017, 10:45:24 AM
BZ....too many beers in the parking lot ??
Should look into WW next year. ;)
Be careful what you wish for Trans.  He would join you if he could because he’s always looking for something?? but his kid’s an 03.  Went from Stars to the team that beat them all year OCHC, then the Bears beat OCHC so he decided to jump over there, now back to Ontario.  Hockey in SoCal is a small world and BZ obviously made a lot of friends along the way. :o :o

No one ever said that the 04s weren’t outplayed.  The statement was that they hung in there against an obviously bigger and more experienced team.  It’s funny how you’re now a CAHA evaluator talking puck possession, shots, scoring opportunities.  Ask GSE 2 who controlled the game when OCHC beat them last year in playoffs which sparked an attempt at some silly rule changes.  It’s hockey and unless the puck goes in the net, it doesn’t mean shit.  None of the all or mostly 04 teams expect to beat the all or mostly 03s.  Just trying to stay a bit competitive and build for next year just like your Bears AA team built to get beat in AAA the following year and then imploded losing the last 4 games to teams they had beaten all year. :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 26, 2017, 12:37:05 PM
blah, blah, blah...
Oh brother, again with the rose-colored glasses?  Do they have Lasik for myopic vision??  Apparently your penchant for delusional insight extends past hockey to my personal life.  Left the Stars because, well, there were no more Stars *poof* and just like that there was an exodus from Ontario (how long have you been around?)  Left OC for better coaching, and I'd do it again.  Despite the awesome people there, two years driving to Burbank was enough.  Now we're back close to home, low and behold - great coach and families.  If you're paying attention here, you MIGHT just see a pattern and it's not letter chasing much like yourself.  And yes, I've made many friends along the way.  Shocking, I know.


Now, it's laughable how you are discounting the pesky details and clinging to the one thing you're using to make your argument: the scoreboard after 2 periods.  Then, proceed to tout your glory season last year where you didn't make the playdowns, but wait, you did make the playdowns on a technicality, and claim credit for the two flight rule change.  I guess those 200 families running up and down to Vacaville and San Jose will have you to thank for that. Bravo.  In case you left after the 2nd period, the puck did go in the net what, 7 more times?  And just where do you draw the line for mostly 03s?  Is it three 04s? Four? Five?  That's how many Empire has, five.  What a power house.  If you're looking to be that AA team building up for next year, good luck.  I'm sure your games will be VERY competitive now that you've been sentenced to Flight 2.


I'm flattered that you've spent the time trying to get to know me, but let's try not to make this personal okay?  I don't know who you are.  I don't care who you are.  It's all in good fun.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: OneandDone on September 26, 2017, 01:03:53 PM
and claim credit for the two flight rule change. 

I believe UhhDuhh was referring to the 1st place team getting a free ticket to States not the 2 flight system

It's all in good fun.

Yes, lighten up Francis, you can spew whatever you want but it's only fun when you're doing it to KIDS hockey teams. Right?  Keep seeing OC with your crap colored glasses. Your constant bashing makes you obvious.  Next stop?  Out of State?  There are Prep Schools you can pay 20-30K to send your kid to.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: UhhhhDuhhhh on September 26, 2017, 01:11:35 PM

If you're paying attention here, you MIGHT just see a pattern and it's not letter chasing much like yourself. 

LMFAO, Ya traveling all over Timbuktu isn't chasing anything???

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: UhhhhDuhhhh on September 26, 2017, 01:15:12 PM
And just where do you draw the line for mostly 03s?  Is it three 04s? Four? Five?  That's how many Empire has, five.

I love the class the OCHC1 03 team has by not coming on the public form and saying what a waste of time it was shit kicking Empire.  I was making a comment to a parent who was obviously not at the game so I'm sorry it was so offensive to you for me to say that the 04s hung in there.  Were you playing? 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 26, 2017, 01:16:56 PM
Well, it says silly rule changes, so he either mistyped or you can't read.


And I'm not bashing the KIDS, just some adults' perceptions of what went down.  Got nothing against OC and know a lot of fine people there, with some exceptions...


The season will play itself out, you guys should try drinking more and worrying less.  Stay away from the IPAs though, you're already bitter enough.  Maybe drinks with little umbrellas?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 26, 2017, 01:20:34 PM
And just where do you draw the line for mostly 03s?  Is it three 04s? Four? Five?  That's how many Empire has, five.

I love the class the OCHC1 03 team has by not coming on the public form and saying what a waste of time it was shit kicking Empire.  I was making a comment to a parent who was obviously not at the game so I'm sorry it was so offensive to you for me to say that the 04s hung in there.  Were you playing?
:'( :'( :'( Suck it up, Buttercup.  As for the "shit kicking", it all evened out at last Saturday's exhibition.  Both games were close, it will be a fun match up all season.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: OneandDone on September 26, 2017, 01:23:15 PM
Well, it says silly rule changes, so he either mistyped or you can't read.

sparked an attempt at some silly rule changes.

Get the crap off your glasses!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on September 26, 2017, 01:25:53 PM
Fly poop in the pepper.  Moving on...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 26, 2017, 01:32:09 PM
Fly poop in the pepper.  Moving on...

Great lets get back to CAHA talk. lol
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on September 26, 2017, 01:59:23 PM
Man you guys need to chill... 8)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 26, 2017, 02:05:26 PM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?


Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pass_the_puck on September 26, 2017, 02:13:27 PM
Vacaville rink won't see a dime from me.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 26, 2017, 02:35:20 PM
Vacaville rink won't see a dime from me.


You mean a dime more then we already paid for their dumb CAHA weekend fee.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pass_the_puck on September 26, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Vacaville rink won't see a dime from me.


You mean a dime more then we already paid for their dumb CAHA weekend fee.

I mean I wouldn't even buy my other kid a candy bar.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pass_the_puck on September 26, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?

Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed.  1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.

Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."

If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over?  You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.

And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on September 26, 2017, 02:46:19 PM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?

Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed.  1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.

Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."

If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over?  You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.

And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.


Flight two also has less teams so they will play less games.

Do flight two teams get some money back?

Maybe free candy bars at your rink Laura??
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pass_the_puck on September 26, 2017, 02:48:39 PM
Flight 2 pays $1300 less than flight 1.  The cost of the weekend ice slots I'm sure.  Of course Laura doesn't want to see that go. That's 10k
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Zam Dad on September 26, 2017, 03:59:00 PM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?

Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed.  1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.

Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."

If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over?  You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.

And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.

Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right?  right?   ;)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 26, 2017, 04:01:03 PM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?

Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed.  1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.

Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."

If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over?  You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.

And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.

Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right?  right?   ;)


i swear the kids are getting smaller and smaller...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 26, 2017, 04:08:01 PM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?

Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed.  1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.

Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."

If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over?  You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.

And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.

Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right?  right?   ;)


i swear the kids are getting smaller and smaller...


there really should be height and weight minimum for the bantam level. What happens when you get, one of the smallest 04 and they end up going against one of the bigger 03 it is down right dangerous. I know a lot of kids go in into Bantam from peewee with out any checking clinics or classes or the new coach does not work with the new bantams on checking at all and then you get a Major Bantam with a year of checking under his bet, it doesn't look good for little johnny versus big johnny. Im very surprised there isn't  more injures.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 26, 2017, 04:22:57 PM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?

Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed.  1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.

Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."

If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over?  You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.

And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.

Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right?  right?   ;)


i swear the kids are getting smaller and smaller...


there really should be height and weight minimum for the bantam level. What happens when you get, one of the smallest 04 and they end up going against one of the bigger 03 it is down right dangerous. I know a lot of kids go in into Bantam from peewee with out any checking clinics or classes or the new coach does not work with the new bantams on checking at all and then you get a Major Bantam with a year of checking under his bet, it doesn't look good for little johnny versus big johnny. Im very surprised there isn't  more injures.


This almost always results in a roughing penalty for the bigger kid.  The bigger kids learn that they can not go full speed against the little kids because if they do they are unfairly penalized. This is not how the game is played and it is BS!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 26, 2017, 04:31:35 PM
i guess you could say that is what the spring league should be used for, get the kids somewhat used to the idea of hitting. I know of a few kids that have stopped playing at that level, because they were down right scared to go out there.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on September 26, 2017, 04:49:41 PM
With greater emphasis being placed on concussion protocol and avoidance,  how is USA Hockey not addressing this? I know they aren't going head to head and there isn't full blown tackling like football, but crushing a smaller kid into the boards has resulted in serious injury. Does it come down to parental choice and buyer beware?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on September 26, 2017, 04:55:09 PM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?

Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed.  1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.

Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."

If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over?  You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.

And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.

Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right?  right?   ;)


Honestly I have seen small kids in both flights...all you can hope for is that they have sufficient speed to move and know when to pass the puck.


Every single team has small kids....not sure what the overall weight range is.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on September 26, 2017, 05:00:27 PM
There are exceptions both ways. I've always thought of the idea of maybe having a 3rd year of peewee, and by then the kids may ballace out a bit more.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on September 26, 2017, 05:14:05 PM
Maybe they should just go back to checking in PeeWee. Most of the kids haven't hit puberty by age 11.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on September 26, 2017, 08:12:08 PM
Maybe they should just go back to checking in PeeWee. Most of the kids haven't hit puberty by age 11.
Most intelligent thing I read in here today. Other than LC bashing. She earned it
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on September 27, 2017, 10:06:20 AM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?

Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed.  1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.

Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."

If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over?  You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.

And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.

Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right?  right?   ;)


i swear the kids are getting smaller and smaller...


there really should be height and weight minimum for the bantam level. What happens when you get, one of the smallest 04 and they end up going against one of the bigger 03 it is down right dangerous. I know a lot of kids go in into Bantam from peewee with out any checking clinics or classes or the new coach does not work with the new bantams on checking at all and then you get a Major Bantam with a year of checking under his bet, it doesn't look good for little johnny versus big johnny. Im very surprised there isn't  more injures.


Because you can never have enough laws or enough rules.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 27, 2017, 02:46:51 PM
Let's get back on track here.

So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?

Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0

Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1

Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3

Can someone tell me the Kings score?

Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed.  1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.

Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."

If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over?  You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.

And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.

Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right?  right?   ;)


i swear the kids are getting smaller and smaller...


there really should be height and weight minimum for the bantam level. What happens when you get, one of the smallest 04 and they end up going against one of the bigger 03 it is down right dangerous. I know a lot of kids go in into Bantam from peewee with out any checking clinics or classes or the new coach does not work with the new bantams on checking at all and then you get a Major Bantam with a year of checking under his bet, it doesn't look good for little johnny versus big johnny. Im very surprised there isn't  more injures.


Because you can never have enough laws or enough rules.


I would be happy if the ref's just followed the rules they already have.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on September 28, 2017, 08:37:05 AM
I think OCHC (2) should also be in this conversation.
You're such a tool! 3 clubs in 4 years and already quit again - never make playoffs? common denominator? Have fun paying dues for nothing.  Yes, OC2 is a minor year team with a few exceptions.  One Dec 03, One who never played ice (only roller) and a kid on his 3rd year in skates.  OC 1 last year went through the same process and now are in the running for the top 3-4 teams.  OC2 just lost to Empire in a game that was 2-1 going into the 3rd.  There's a huge difference in size between many of these kids and OC2 held their own until falling apart at the end.  I'm sure the Empire group didn't feel like it was a total waste of time.  Next week won't be any easier but they will get better just like Wada, Kings 2 and Ducks.  BYE TOOL
Why repost this?  Did you have anything to add or just stirring the pot?  Trying to keep up activity on the BN AA thread perhaps?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on September 28, 2017, 09:38:09 AM
I kind of finding it amusing. Reminds me of some Little league parents.  Bickering about who is best instead of letting the kids play and decide it.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HM on September 28, 2017, 10:13:47 AM
I think OCHC (2) should also be in this conversation.
You're such a tool! 3 clubs in 4 years and already quit again - never make playoffs? common denominator? Have fun paying dues for nothing.  Yes, OC2 is a minor year team with a few exceptions.  One Dec 03, One who never played ice (only roller) and a kid on his 3rd year in skates.  OC 1 last year went through the same process and now are in the running for the top 3-4 teams.  OC2 just lost to Empire in a game that was 2-1 going into the 3rd.  There's a huge difference in size between many of these kids and OC2 held their own until falling apart at the end.  I'm sure the Empire group didn't feel like it was a total waste of time.  Next week won't be any easier but they will get better just like Wada, Kings 2 and Ducks.  BYE TOOL
Why repost this?  Did you have anything to add or just stirring the pot?  Trying to keep up activity on the BN AA thread perhaps?


Actually the comment that went with the quote was removed I think. The comment stated that another poster was actually a coach and named the coach along with the poster's personal history with the coach.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on September 28, 2017, 10:20:09 AM
Interesting. Well, the entire post is gone now so there you go.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Tie My Skates on September 29, 2017, 09:18:06 PM
trans where did you get the schedule this week? Doesn't match SCAHA schedule, long night at the rink?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 29, 2017, 09:20:51 PM
trans where did you get the schedule this week? Doesn't match SCAHA schedule, long night at the rink?
My bad  :-[
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on September 29, 2017, 09:33:55 PM
trans where did you get the schedule this week? Doesn't match SCAHA schedule, long night at the rink?
My bad  :-[
.......Let's try this again....


This weeks pick (So Cal only because Giants STILL suck !)


Lady Ducks                             vs                     JD2                 LD BY 1 (SORRY)


Mariners                                  vs                     Empire           Empire by 4


Jr Flyers                                  vs                     JK1                 JK1 by 3


JD1                                         vs                     Junior BFs       JD1 by 15 (STILL OWES ME $$)


Wave 1                                    vs                     JK2                Wave1 by 3


OC2                                         vs                     Da Bears        DBs by 13


WW                                          vs                     Saints            WW by 2


Good luck everyone !!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 01, 2017, 03:01:56 PM
Any scores yet?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 01, 2017, 03:50:45 PM
I heard that Empire barley handled the Mariners.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 01, 2017, 03:56:35 PM
I heard that Empire barley handled the Mariners.


Mariners are better then everyone thinks. Not at all surprized
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 01, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
I heard that Empire barley handled the Mariners.


Mariners are better then everyone thinks. Not at all surprized


I saw them once... and they lost 9-0
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 01, 2017, 04:50:11 PM
I heard that Empire barley handled the Mariners.


Mariners are better then everyone thinks. Not at all surprized


I saw them once... and they lost 9-0


Yes the very first game they played and they hadn't even had a scrimmage. I do not have a kid on their team but like I said you will be surprised.


Also Simi was up 4-1 short 5 players and their top D. Refs called a 2 and 10 on Simi and things went south.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 01, 2017, 05:08:10 PM
Bear 16 ochc(2) 0
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 01, 2017, 07:36:59 PM
Saints 4
WW.     0
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Bystander on October 01, 2017, 09:26:24 PM
I heard Ducks1 squeaked by Reign 10-0

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on October 02, 2017, 07:13:26 AM
Also Simi was up 4-1 short 5 players and their top D. Refs called a 2 and 10 on Simi and things went south.
Short 5 players???  What's the story there?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 02, 2017, 07:49:16 AM
Also Simi was up 4-1 short 5 players and their top D. Refs called a 2 and 10 on Simi and things went south.
Short 5 players???  What's the story there?


If I remember right


3 Hurt


1 Suspened


1 Sick


Mariner parents feel free to correct me on this order.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 02, 2017, 08:28:04 AM
Wow.  Their bench did look a bit short.  Do they normally roll with only one goalie?  They're a tough bunch, a couple of the bigger kids play very physical.  They looked like they had something to prove and might have pulled it out.  Empire coach calls a time out to right the ship and then Mariner's (seemingly) top player gets 2+10 and they proceed to give up 4 unanswered.  They'll probably be in the hunt for the top seed in flight 2.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 03, 2017, 12:12:40 PM
Any word on the remainder of the SCAHA schedule?  I'm assuming that the SoCal teams will play each other regardless of Flight.  So does that mean that the 4 NorCal teams just play each other?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 03, 2017, 10:31:35 PM
Any word on the remainder of the SCAHA schedule?  I'm assuming that the SoCal teams will play each other regardless of Flight.  So does that mean that the 4 NorCal teams just play each other?


Good point! That would be lame
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 04, 2017, 09:11:30 AM
This board has been dead lately,  so lets get people fired up again.....


Predictions for Valencia weekend:


Ducks Vs. Kings   Ducks by 2


Empire vs. Bears   Bears by 5


Wave Vs. GSE 1   GSE by 4


GSE2 Vs. Sharks  GSE2 by 2


Blackhawks vs. OC   OC by 1


Kings vs. Wave   Kings by 1


OC vs. GSE1  GSE by 1


Empire vs GSE 2  GSE by 4


Bears Vs. Blackhawks  Bears by 3


Sharks vs. Ducks  Sharks by 2


OC Vs Wave  OC by 3


GSE1 vs GSE 2  GSE2 by 2


Sharks vs. Empire  Sharks by 3


Blackhawks vs. Ducks  Blackhawks by 2


Bears vs. Kings  Bears by 5


Ducks vs. Wave   Ducks by 2


Empire vs. Blackhawks blackhawks by 3


Sharks Vs OC   OC by 1


GSE 2  vs  Bears   (Best game of the weekend)   I predict a tie    ;)


Kings vs GSE 1  GSE by 5
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on October 04, 2017, 03:23:06 PM
yawn...

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 04, 2017, 03:25:20 PM
Don't forget to visit the pro shop
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 04, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
Don't forget to visit the pro shop

That's next month.  lol ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on October 04, 2017, 10:12:12 PM

Yoy have two teams wave & empire losing all their games. Empire is playing tough teams but i see them winning 2 out of four. They have already beat blackhawks before and should be able to handle sharks. Their coaching is too good for them to lose all four games. Should be an interesting weekend unlike any other caha weekend where half of the games were easy for major year teams. Every team will have to earn their wins.

This board has been dead lately,  so lets get people fired up again.....


Predictions for Valencia weekend:


Ducks Vs. Kings   Ducks by 2


Empire vs. Bears   Bears by 5


Wave Vs. GSE 1   GSE by 4


GSE2 Vs. Sharks  GSE2 by 2


Blackhawks vs. OC   OC by 1


Kings vs. Wave   Kings by 1


OC vs. GSE1  GSE by 1


Empire vs GSE 2  GSE by 4


Bears Vs. Blackhawks  Bears by 3


Sharks vs. Ducks  Sharks by 2


OC Vs Wave  OC by 3


GSE1 vs GSE 2  GSE2 by 2


Sharks vs. Empire  Sharks by 3


Blackhawks vs. Ducks  Blackhawks by 2


Bears vs. Kings  Bears by 5


Ducks vs. Wave   Ducks by 2


Empire vs. Blackhawks blackhawks by 3


Sharks Vs OC   OC by 1


GSE 2  vs  Bears   (Best game of the weekend)   I predict a tie    ;)


Kings vs GSE 1  GSE by 5
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 05, 2017, 09:51:07 AM
Don't forget to visit the pro shop

That's next month.  lol ;D


my bad
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: RatherBeSailing on October 05, 2017, 12:15:01 PM
So the title of the thread is "Predictions for AA?"

Anybody want to make a prediction as to when we'll actually see a SCAHA regular season schedule?

I can't be the only one who is thinking about business and holiday travel plans am I? 

Not to mention somewhat of a passing interest in who will be playing whom in between our CAHA diversions.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 05, 2017, 01:49:01 PM
So the title of the thread is "Predictions for AA?"

Anybody want to make a prediction as to when we'll actually see a SCAHA regular season schedule?

I can't be the only one who is thinking about business and holiday travel plans am I? 

Not to mention somewhat of a passing interest in who will be playing whom in between our CAHA diversions.

Yes were all pissed, and no one is shocked we do not have it yet. Typical SCAHA
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 05, 2017, 01:55:41 PM
I predict we will have it on Saturday the 14th and my kid's team will probably have a 7am game in San Diego the next day
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 05, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
I predict we will have it on Saturday the 14th and my kid's team will probably have a 7am game in San Diego the next day

The 405 will be closed that weekend for construction too.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on October 05, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
Haha.  And we will probably only get the next 4 weeks.  This will allow scaha to punish any team with 3 hour drives and 7:00 am games throughout the entire season., if they complain too much.   That , Or create matchups that help some teams while hurting others as we head into each month with the next 4 weeks.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 05, 2017, 04:52:42 PM
Haha.  And we will probably only get the next 4 weeks.  This will allow scaha to punish any team with 3 hour drives and 7:00 am games throughout the entire season., if they complain too much.   That , Or create matchups that help some teams while hurting others as we head into each month with the next 4 weeks.


They have not done this in the last 6 years. However, I would not put it past them.  USA Hockey, CAHA and SCAHA's stupidity never ceases to amaze me...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on October 06, 2017, 12:32:50 AM
Give them a break guys.  They have only been at this about 20 years!  Perhaps someone should send them one of the dozens of scheduling apps freely available since 2013.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 06, 2017, 08:09:38 AM
So I was watching Pittsburgh vs Chicago last night. Final was 10-1 Hawks and I thought oh there is a flight two team.  ::)   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 06, 2017, 08:34:00 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Landshark on October 06, 2017, 08:44:23 AM
Maybe instead of stick tap and face wash we should grade posts as tier one and tier two. 


I'm not optimistic about my position after the jamboree.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 06, 2017, 09:19:12 AM
This week's picks for the Red Headed Step Child Flight


Benny's.                Vs.             Mariners.     Mariners by 6


Saints.                    Vs.            Oc2.             Saints by 2


Jr Flyers.                Vs.            Jd2.             IF by 2


Mariners.              Vs.              JK2.             Mariners by 4


Benny's.                   Vs.            WW.             WW by 3


Benny's.                   Vs.             Saints.        Saints  by 5


Jk2.                          Vs.              Jd2.            Jk2 by 1


Mariners.                  Vs.             JF.               Mariners by 2


WW.                           Vs.             OC2.            WW by 2


OC2.                          Vs.             Benny's.       OC2 by 2


WW.                           VS.             Saints.         WW by 1


JK2.                           Vs.             J Flyers.      JF by 1


Good luck everyone



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 06, 2017, 03:38:17 PM
where will weekend scores be posted?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on October 06, 2017, 03:53:23 PM

Caha.com. Click on schedule then respective flight and each game has score column. Chances are you will see scores on Calhockey quicker. At least for some games

where will weekend scores be posted?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 06, 2017, 04:33:47 PM
Ducks and Kings 3-3 tie.... Kings blew a 3-0 lead after 1 I was told.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 07, 2017, 10:02:17 AM
Flyers 12-1 over Ducks2


Glad they did flights to keep blowouts from happening.


Thanks CAHA
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 07, 2017, 10:26:59 AM
Simi 7-1 Over Kings2


SOG 43-17


Another close matchup.


Thanks CAHA



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 07, 2017, 10:59:47 AM
What's the story Sharks beating GSE2?


I didn't see that coming.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 07, 2017, 01:35:00 PM

Yoy have two teams wave & empire losing all their games. Empire is playing tough teams but i see them winning 2 out of four. They have already beat blackhawks before and should be able to handle sharks. Their coaching is too good for them to lose all four games. Should be an interesting weekend unlike any other caha weekend where half of the games were easy for major year teams. Every team will have to earn their wins.

This board has been dead lately,  so lets get people fired up again.....


Predictions for Valencia weekend:


Ducks Vs. Kings   Ducks by 2


Empire vs. Bears   Bears by 5


Wave Vs. GSE 1   GSE by 4


GSE2 Vs. Sharks  GSE2 by 2


Blackhawks vs. OC   OC by 1


Kings vs. Wave   Kings by 1


OC vs. GSE1  GSE by 1


Empire vs GSE 2  GSE by 4


Bears Vs. Blackhawks  Bears by 3


Sharks vs. Ducks  Sharks by 2


OC Vs Wave  OC by 3


GSE1 vs GSE 2  GSE2 by 2


Sharks vs. Empire  Sharks by 3


Blackhawks vs. Ducks  Blackhawks by 2


Bears vs. Kings  Bears by 5


Ducks vs. Wave   Ducks by 2


Empire vs. Blackhawks blackhawks by 3


Sharks Vs OC   OC by 1


GSE 2  vs  Bears   (Best game of the weekend)   I predict a tie    ;)


Kings vs GSE 1  GSE by 5


Good call on Empire playing GSE tough... 2-2 tie. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 07, 2017, 01:35:32 PM
OC over GSE1 5-2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 08, 2017, 01:22:34 AM
Empire over Sharks 3-1. SOG was almost 2:1. Hard to believe that Shark team beat GSE2 5-2?
Empire is 1-1-1 so far, showing resilience and determination. It's been an interesting weekend to say the least.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: RatherBeSailing on October 08, 2017, 09:14:09 AM
Observed & overheard:  Blackhawks players in front of the rink last night bragging and laughing about how the embellishment got a Ducks player ejected from the game.  They seemed quite pleased with themselves.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Bystander on October 08, 2017, 03:27:18 PM
Jr. Flyers and JK2 is showing a 1-1 tie. Is this real?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Face Wash on October 08, 2017, 03:55:27 PM
Observed & overheard:  Blackhawks players in front of the rink last night bragging and laughing about how the embellishment got a Ducks player ejected from the game.  They seemed quite pleased with themselves.


Ducks are the masters of embellishment!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 08, 2017, 04:48:14 PM
Jr. Flyers and JK2 is showing a 1-1 tie. Is this real?


Yes it happened.


Any given Sunday I guess.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 08, 2017, 05:10:19 PM
Overall a pretty interesting first CAHA weekend in Valencia... Hope all teams/kids had a safe and injury-free tourney. Since my kid is in Flight 2, I speak mostly for Flight 2 games but looking at Flight 1 results and speaking to Flight 1 kids/parents, my early observations are as follow:

- Only thing that CAHA's flight system proved to me is that 13 & 14 yo kids are as inconsistent as they come. Judging by all scores, teams that some wrote off stepped up while the supposedly cream of the crop teams had subpar showings...

Flight 1:

- IMO, it's crystal clear and not too early to say Bears are the team to beat and anything short of state champs would likely be considered a failure of a season.

- GSE1 and GSE2 were likely hoping to have fared better this past weekend as:
--- GSE1 went 2-2, managing to barely beat Kings1 (a team that most assumed didn't belong in Flight 1) and Wave1 (most definitely will finish last in Flight 1 if they don't change their stupid brand of hockey and stop perpetually collecting endless penalties... See game vs Ducks1...)
--- GSE2 went 1-1-2, losing to a Sharks team that most didn't see coming, tying Empire that most probably thought they should've won against but managed to tie Bears (GSE2 seems to give the Bears the most trouble in Flight 1...)

- Empire proved once again that they can bring it against anyone and are edging closer to the top teams. Tying GSE2 and beating Blackhawks were impressive. I'm a fan of Empire but going 1-3 was a real possibility but instead they proved me wrong going 2-1-1.

Flight 2:

- Just when I thought Mariners looked great vs Kings2 and Reign, and about to crown them the team to beat in Flight 2, they lose big to Flyers 6-1...

- Then I start thinking Flyers may be the team to beat, then they somehow tied Kings2, a team that some thought didn't belong even in Flight 2. Personally I've always thought Kings2 belonged and would only get better as they can all skate and when you have a team of solid skaters, you will compete. Kings2 are definitely looking better. Tying a mostly 03 Flyers team was impressive for the all-04 Kings2.

- Thought Wave2 would go 3-0 but went 2-0-1 instead, salvaging the game vs OCHC2 after falling behind by 2 goals. OCHC2 played hard and brought it. It was a fun game to watch and teams shouldn't sleep on OC... Game vs Saints was another fun one. Saints beat Wave2 recently in a preseason game 4-0 and any games vs Saints will always be nailbiters... Big test next week for Wave2 vs Mariners. Overall, Flyers and Wave2 were the only teams in Flight 2 that finished the weekend without a loss.

- Reign and Ducks2... I thought I saw one of the Ducks2 leading scorer sitting in the stands vs Mariners? Anyhow, I can't say much about Ducks2 but they looked to be struggling a bit. Reign seems to have trouble scoring but not a terrible team as they do have a few solid players.

Overall, season off to a pretty interesting start!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 08, 2017, 05:15:13 PM
This board has been dead lately,  so lets get people fired up again.....


Predictions for Valencia weekend:


Ducks Vs. Kings   Ducks by 2


Empire vs. Bears   Bears by 5


Wave Vs. GSE 1   GSE by 4


GSE2 Vs. Sharks  GSE2 by 2


Blackhawks vs. OC   OC by 1


Kings vs. Wave   Kings by 1


OC vs. GSE1  GSE by 1


Empire vs GSE 2  GSE by 4


Bears Vs. Blackhawks  Bears by 3


Sharks vs. Ducks  Sharks by 2


OC Vs Wave  OC by 3


GSE1 vs GSE 2  GSE2 by 2


Sharks vs. Empire  Sharks by 3


Blackhawks vs. Ducks  Blackhawks by 2


Bears vs. Kings  Bears by 5


Ducks vs. Wave   Ducks by 2


Empire vs. Blackhawks blackhawks by 3


Sharks Vs OC   OC by 1


GSE 2  vs  Bears   (Best game of the weekend)   I predict a tie    ;)


Kings vs GSE 1  GSE by 5


I pretty much sucked... but I did call the Bears GSE tie!😉
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 08, 2017, 07:11:06 PM
Kings 2 who i also thought didn't belong, is a  kind of a fast scrappy bunch.




They have a huge goalie who must be 6-2 who will keep them in a lot of games.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 08, 2017, 07:17:38 PM
This week's picks for the Red Headed Step Child Flight


Benny's.                Vs.             Mariners.     Mariners by 6


Saints.                    Vs.            Oc2.             Saints by 2


Jr Flyers.                Vs.            Jd2.             IF by 2


Mariners.              Vs.              JK2.             Mariners by 4


Benny's.                   Vs.            WW.             WW by 3


Benny's.                   Vs.             Saints.        Saints  by 5


Jk2.                          Vs.              Jd2.            Jk2 by 1


Mariners.                  Vs.             JF.               Mariners by 2


WW.                           Vs.             OC2.            WW by 2


OC2.                          Vs.             Benny's.       OC2 by 2


WW.                           VS.             Saints.         WW by 1


JK2.                           Vs.             J Flyers.      JF by 1


Good luck everyone
Jr Flyers screwing me twice !!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on October 09, 2017, 07:05:07 AM
Interesting weekend for sure. Empire is really showing grit and potential for growth and success. They have one of the best goalies who held Bears 3-3 up into the third period. It will be interesting to watch them develop. They have big kids and coach has them pretty disciplined even if they have mouths.


The bears have always been and will remain the team to beat. Although they are not the biggest they are fast and play smart. Coach uses their talent and the boys are disciplined and work. They are fast and anticipate each play and trust each other--good hockey


GSE 1/2 both played hard but overall looked middle of the pack.


The real shock was OCHC 1 really choking. They appeared strong in San Jose with their robust bench and physical smart play. Then it seems like they brought the same team from last season to Valencia. Trying to make something work that might not be there. Perhaps without Green on their bench rolling the lines, coaching, and using their entire bench the magic is just not there (he was busy putting up a W for his season opener). Not to mention their penalties
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 09, 2017, 07:13:54 AM
A couple of other shockers were the Sharks and Blackhawks.  They seemed to play all over the place.  Capable of some big wins followed by some questionable losses.  Had not seen the Sharks up until this weekend but was surprised that they beat GSE2 5-2 but then lose to Empire and Ducks.  Then Blackhawks beat Ducks but lose to Empire.  It appears a lot of teams are still searching for their identity.  I'm sure things will even out as the season progresses, but I think the initial predictions were a bit off.

Ooops, can't forget the Kings.  I think they raised some eyebrows this weekend too.  Up 2-0 against the Bears eventually losing 6-3, and up 3-0 over Ducks ending in a tie, they might be better than people thought.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 09, 2017, 08:08:04 AM
Interesting weekend for sure. Empire is really showing grit and potential for growth and success. They have one of the best goalies who held Bears 3-3 up into the third period. It will be interesting to watch them develop. They have big kids and coach has them pretty disciplined even if they have mouths.


The bears have always been and will remain the team to beat. Although they are not the biggest they are fast and play smart. Coach uses their talent and the boys are disciplined and work. They are fast and anticipate each play and trust each other--good hockey


GSE 1/2 both played hard but overall looked middle of the pack.


The real shock was OCHC 1 really choking. They appeared strong in San Jose with their robust bench and physical smart play. Then it seems like they brought the same team from last season to Valencia. Trying to make something work that might not be there. Perhaps without Green on their bench rolling the lines, coaching, and using their entire bench the magic is just not there (he was busy putting up a W for his season opener). Not to mention their penalties



OC was with 4 skaters pretty much the entire weekend. Lack of discipline really hurt them. Hopefully for them, they will right that ship. (OC blew 2 leads, both in the last few minutes...) It’s definitely going to be an exciting year in the top flight. My question is why were Ducks 1 shooting on an empty net  (wave) at the end of a blow out game when the score was like 9 to 1 ? (Celebrating each empty netter) 😳🙄😬
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on October 09, 2017, 08:38:30 AM
My question is why were Ducks 1 shooting on an empty net  (wave) at the end of a blow out game when the score was like 9 to 1 ? (Celebrating each empty netter) 😳🙄😬
Is that why the score was 17-2??  A bunch of empty-netters?  Yikes...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 09, 2017, 08:39:56 AM
My question is why were Ducks 1 shooting on an empty net  (wave) at the end of a blow out game when the score was like 9 to 1 ? (Celebrating each empty netter) 😳🙄😬
Is that why the score was 17-2??  A bunch of empty-netters?  Yikes...
Yes....( I saw I think 5 empty netters)  it was embarrassing to see them celebrating each goal. Poor sportsmanship at its finest
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 09, 2017, 08:41:06 AM
well if you know anything about that team, its not surprising.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 09, 2017, 08:43:46 AM
So my question is why was the goalie pulled and they went empty net? Were both Goalies hurt?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 09, 2017, 08:49:24 AM
So my question is why was the goalie pulled and they went empty net? Were both Goalies hurt?
I watched the 1st period and came back towards the end of the 3rd. It was like 9 to 1 or something like that and the wave were without a goalie. I heard he got kicked out.... not sure why. From that point on I watched and saw Ducks 1 going 100 percent.... maybe a Ducks or wave parent can chime in.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 09, 2017, 08:56:08 AM
So my question is why was the goalie pulled and they went empty net? Were both Goalies hurt?


Like I said before, Wave1 just can't and won't stay out of the box... I heard goalie got into a fight and was kicked out of the game.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on October 09, 2017, 09:12:34 AM
Is there added animosity since several Ducks players came from that Wave team?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 09, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Wave parent told me that there were a few Duck parents telling their kids to stop scoring... and the coach was yelling at them for not shooting... I was in the rink for the 17th goal... listening to about half the parents cheering just as load as if it was the 1st.  Sickening.  I would be embarrassed if it was my team doing that. 


Anybody know why there was not a running clock?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 09, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
Wave parent told me that there were a few Duck parents telling their kids to stop scoring... and the coach was yelling at them for not shooting... I was in the rink for the 17th goal... listening to about half the parents cheering just as load as if it was the 1st.  Sickening.  I would be embarrassed if it was my team doing that. 


Anybody know why there was not a running clock?

Great question as we were up 10-0 going into the third and they never ran a clock. I was told that since GD matters they will not be running the clocks at CAHA weekends.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: goonhockey on October 09, 2017, 10:04:04 AM
would love to get CRASH's take on this...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on October 09, 2017, 10:05:09 AM
Running up the score that much on an empty should be penalized, not counted in GD, in my opinion. Unsportsmanlike at the very least.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on October 09, 2017, 10:11:36 AM
unsportsmanlike for running up the score or for the goalie jumping on someone and throwing punches. sometimes you get what you deserve. What was the score before the goalie was ejected? I heard it was 12-1, if so, that's only 5 empty net goals.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on October 09, 2017, 10:15:36 AM
The goalie is a child. The coach is supposed to be an adult.


Mind you I'm a parent who was unimpressed with the Wave behavior this weekend. But it needs to stop somewhere.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 09, 2017, 10:21:19 AM
 So what is the story with OC1?

I thought they were a top 4 team going into this weekend.

Now they look like they will be between 6-8
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 09, 2017, 10:31:14 AM
So what is the story with OC1?

I thought they were a top 4 team going into this weekend.

Now they look like they will be between 6-8


Penalties,   penalties,  and more penalties.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on October 09, 2017, 11:06:30 AM
So what is the story with OC1?

I thought they were a top 4 team going into this weekend.

Now they look like they will be between 6-8


Penalties,   penalties,  and more penalties.


So many penalties and they looked  sloppy and tired. Caught the tail end of Saturday nights game against the wave and they got scored on in the last four minutes--no line change--and then scored on again within what seemed like a minute. The boys look tired and more anxious to skate to the other end to score. They are physically big and have a deep bench but they are shooting themselves in the foot. The wave in that same game were pretty dirty as well (seems to be a trend eh?) I caught a few Empire games and I am pleasantly surprised with their grit based on what they started the season with and losing a few key players to the bears. Hamacher is a good coach and expects every boy to work. I want to see them matched against the Bears soon.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on October 09, 2017, 11:20:43 AM
The wave in that same game were pretty dirty as well (seems to be a trend eh?)


It does seem like a trend...it is understood that the kids are 13-14 years of age and have raging hormones but the question that I keep hearing over and over is....where is the discipline from the Coach or Coaches? do they absolutely not have any control of the team? As a parent I would be ashamed to be linked to what is going on there or maybe the club president should step up or step in. A shame because they do have a few skilled players.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 09, 2017, 11:39:26 AM
So what is the story with OC1?

I thought they were a top 4 team going into this weekend.

Now they look like they will be between 6-8


OC has one issue... penalties. Skating short handed does a few things...mainly it messes
The lines up and wears out the skaters. OC will be fine as long as the players that continue to go in the box become more disciplined in the near future. OC was very flat for the opening 2 periods vs the WAve (wave goalie was fantastic as well) and OC  played a solid game against the sharks and came up short.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: RatherBeSailing on October 09, 2017, 11:59:26 AM
unsportsmanlike for running up the score or for the goalie jumping on someone and throwing punches. sometimes you get what you deserve. What was the score before the goalie was ejected? I heard it was 12-1, if so, that's only 5 empty net goals.

It was 9 to 1 at the time the goalie was ejected.  Each additional goal was celebrated including the one that went in at the final buzzer.  Ducks continued full speed, even taking two offensive zone penalties in the frenzy to score - otherwise it COULD have been more. "Sometimes you get what you deserve" no doubt applies here.  Giving them "what they deserve" should always be a higher priority than sportsmanship or decorum.  It teaches the kids what's important in sports.

The goalie showed no restraint in the situation which frees up the opposing coach from any obligation to show restraint.

Good thing the Ducks taught that goalie the lesson that he and his team deserved for his mistake.  An unsportsmanlike act should always be addressed with good aggressive unsportsmanlike oneupsmanship.  It was fun to watch.  Makes one proud of California hockey.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 09, 2017, 12:04:14 PM
The wave in that same game were pretty dirty as well (seems to be a trend eh?)


It does seem like a trend...it is understood that the kids are 13-14 years of age and have raging hormones but the question that I keep hearing over and over is....where is the discipline from the Coach or Coaches? do they absolutely not have any control of the team? As a parent I would be ashamed to be linked to what is going on there or maybe the club president should step up or step in. A shame because they do have a few skilled players.

Wave1 coaches obviously have zero control over their kids, or worst yet, are telling them to play like thugs. Sure they have a few skilled kids, but sadly they're the ones hitting late, boarding or elbowing kids in the head. As far as their parents, I hear them cheering when their kids dish out dirty hits and whining when refs send them to the box.

I understand young men at 13-14 can be unpredictable and we can always blame it on raging hormones. But by now, they've played enough hockey to know what's right and what's wrong. If you play like thugs out there trying to lay big hits and hurt people instead of playing hockey, you deserve what you get. If my kid continuously ends up in the box with late dirty hits, no way will I be cheering for him to behave like a thug.

Honor the game, play it the right way or you ain't playing at all.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on October 09, 2017, 12:05:42 PM
Great question as we were up 10-0 going into the third and they never ran a clock. I was told that since GD matters they will not be running the clocks at CAHA weekends.
No more cap at 7 GD per game?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 09, 2017, 12:09:33 PM
unsportsmanlike for running up the score or for the goalie jumping on someone and throwing punches. sometimes you get what you deserve. What was the score before the goalie was ejected? I heard it was 12-1, if so, that's only 5 empty net goals.

It was 9 to 1 at the time the goalie was ejected.  Each additional goal was celebrated including the one that went in at the final buzzer.  Ducks continued full speed, even taking two offensive zone penalties in the frenzy to score - otherwise it COULD have been more. "Sometimes you get what you deserve" no doubt applies here.  Giving them "what they deserve" should always be a higher priority than sportsmanship or decorum.  It teaches the kids what's important in sports.

The goalie showed no restraint in the situation which frees up the opposing coach from any obligation to show restraint.

Good thing the Ducks taught that goalie the lesson that he and his team deserved for his mistake.  An unsportsmanlike act should always be addressed with good aggressive unsportsmanlike oneupsmanship.  It was fun to watch.  Makes one proud of California hockey.


Wow
What an ass.... what would of really been cool is, that  regardless of a goalie or a team playing cheap or whatever the wave were doing, would of been for the other team to just skate it around, pass or dump it. #class
You look like more of an ass responding like that to poor sportsmanship. #beerleague






Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 09, 2017, 12:11:54 PM
unsportsmanlike for running up the score or for the goalie jumping on someone and throwing punches. sometimes you get what you deserve. What was the score before the goalie was ejected? I heard it was 12-1, if so, that's only 5 empty net goals.

It was 9 to 1 at the time the goalie was ejected.  Each additional goal was celebrated including the one that went in at the final buzzer.  Ducks continued full speed, even taking two offensive zone penalties in the frenzy to score - otherwise it COULD have been more. "Sometimes you get what you deserve" no doubt applies here.  Giving them "what they deserve" should always be a higher priority than sportsmanship or decorum.  It teaches the kids what's important in sports.

The goalie showed no restraint in the situation which frees up the opposing coach from any obligation to show restraint.

Good thing the Ducks taught that goalie the lesson that he and his team deserved for his mistake.  An unsportsmanlike act should always be addressed with good aggressive unsportsmanlike oneupsmanship.  It was fun to watch.  Makes one proud of California hockey.
Stick tap for the sarcasm...lol


...wait, I HOPE that was sarcasm...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 09, 2017, 12:11:58 PM
The wave in that same game were pretty dirty as well (seems to be a trend eh?)


It does seem like a trend...it is understood that the kids are 13-14 years of age and have raging hormones but the question that I keep hearing over and over is....where is the discipline from the Coach or Coaches? do they absolutely not have any control of the team? As a parent I would be ashamed to be linked to what is going on there or maybe the club president should step up or step in. A shame because they do have a few skilled players.

Wave1 coaches obviously have zero control over their kids, or worst yet, are telling them to play like thugs. Sure they have a few skilled kids, but sadly they're the ones hitting late, boarding or elbowing kids in the head. As far as their parents, I hear them cheering when their kids dish out dirty hits and whining when refs send them to the box.

I understand young men at 13-14 can be unpredictable and we can always blame it on raging hormones. But by now, they've played enough hockey to know what's right and what's wrong. If you play like thugs out there trying to lay big hits and hurt people instead of playing hockey, you deserve what you get. If my kid continuously ends up in the box with late dirty hits, no way will I be cheering for him to behave like a thug.

Honor the game, play it the right way or you ain't playing at all.


Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 09, 2017, 12:14:29 PM
Anybody else get "Magnifico'd" this weekend? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 09, 2017, 12:15:13 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: vyushenko on October 09, 2017, 12:17:49 PM
Great question as we were up 10-0 going into the third and they never ran a clock. I was told that since GD matters they will not be running the clocks at CAHA weekends.
No more cap at 7 GD per game?


4. Goal Differential In determining goal differential, any game won by more than a six (6) goal margin will count only as a six (6) goal win. In determining goals scored, any game in which more than eight (8) goals are scored will only count as eight (8) goals scored. This will prevent teams from trying to run-up the score on an out-manned opponent.


http://www.caha.com/docs/2017-2019%20CAHA%20Guidebook%20(rev%2020170714).pdf
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 09, 2017, 12:24:22 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on October 09, 2017, 12:38:38 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.

Ordinarily I'd agree it's bad form to run up the score.  But as many others have pointed out, the Wave 1 coaches either have no control over their own players or are telling them to play hockey like it's a cage fighting match. Since nobody seems willing to step in and stop this dangerous nonsense, it's hard to blame other teams for taking matters into their own hands.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on October 09, 2017, 12:41:24 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.




SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.


If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.


Stay Classy folks!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 09, 2017, 12:42:58 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I get it. I’d be frustrated as well. But, it’s still much cooler to not stoop to their level if that was the case.
They play physical ( the wave) some teams will try and match that and get caught up in the cheap play. The good teams play their game and don’t let it get to them. The classy teams know who they are and focus on playing the game. There’s no room, especially in youth hockey for that type of play. You ended up looking worse than the Wave by doing that.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: CaliDog on October 09, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
I have film of the Ducks-Wave incident.  A Ducks player basically gets assaulted by multiple Wave players for no other reason than that he's trying to score in front of the net. 

 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 09, 2017, 01:05:31 PM
Still have yet to see the Wave play, so it will be interesting to witness any of this firsthand.  Maybe I should stop boozing it up in the parking lot before games, but who am I kidding?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 09, 2017, 01:27:13 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.




SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.


If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.


Stay Classy folks!


I am not a Wave 1 parent. 


If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play.  Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 09, 2017, 01:46:49 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.




SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.


If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.


Stay Classy folks!


I am not a Wave 1 parent. 


If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play.  Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.
Karma


One thing is to play physical, to which I have no problem.  But when you have players coming in elbows high every time, that's not cool.  We all want our kids to be physical BUT CLEAN .
Not all Wave 1 players are that way (just most) but the bad Karma from those other players hit them this weekend like a grenade.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 09, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for.   Especially the celebrations.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on October 09, 2017, 02:16:43 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.




SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.


If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.


Stay Classy folks!


I am not a Wave 1 parent. 


If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play.  Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.

SkatingDad, I guess you haven't seen Wave 1 play yet, so forgive those of us who have for taking your comments on the topic with a truckload of salt.  It has nothing to do with size -- in fact, Wave 1 are not even a particularly big team, which is one reason why their chicken$#&^ will come home to roost.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on October 09, 2017, 02:57:45 PM
running up a score has always been a hot topic, ever since my son was a mite there has been the discussion on what a coach should do. In this instance, it's not the Ducks fault the Wave only has one goalie. In other instances, it's a team playing in the wrong level. Should kids stop playing the game they've been waiting for all week to play? How do you let up in Bantam AA without giving the other team the advantage? I find it hard to be upset at a team that keeps playing the game the way they've been taught to play.
Saying that, it is classless to keep celebrating the goals, especially when there is no goalie in net. Guaranteed our coach would sit a player for the rest of the game if he celebrated a goal with that big of a lead and no goalie in net. But it's Tier hockey and they shouldn't have to take their foot off the gas peddle!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 09, 2017, 02:58:19 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.




SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.


If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.


Stay Classy folks!


I am not a Wave 1 parent. 


If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play.  Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.

SkatingDad, I guess you haven't seen Wave 1 play yet, so forgive those of us who have for taking your comments on the topic with a truckload of salt.  It has nothing to do with size -- in fact, Wave 1 are not even a particularly big team, which is one reason why their chicken$#&^ will come home to roost.


I have seem them play and there are some tall kids. 


These are kids we are talking about!  The coaches and parents should be ashamed of themselves for cheering for running up a 17-2 score with an empty next.  You included! They are kids.


BTW, I prefer Sea Salt and Bantam Chickens.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Zam Dad on October 09, 2017, 03:00:34 PM
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for.   Especially the celebrations.

Im not sure why this has become an issue all of a sudden.  Its not like we haven't had blow out wins in this division already...
OCHC1 14 Ducks2 0
Bears 16 OCHC2 0
The boards didn't blow up after these games???

So is it the no goalie thing? I blame that on the coach.  How are you not carrying another goalie?

Not sure if any of you have played against a team that does not have a goalie.  Yeah it sucks.  Its basically a lose/lose situation.
If you try to play hockey, everyone blames you for shooting on an empty net.  If you sit back and take it easy, the other team is still pressing with 6 skaters.

So how bout Wave1 parents get there coach to roster another goalie.   ;)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 09, 2017, 03:27:13 PM
I am not a Wave 1 parent. 


If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play.  Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.

Interesting that you're leaning towards blaming the victims rather than the culprit... I have no issues with a smaller kid getting crushed, as long as the hit was CLEAN, not late and not malicious. This is bantam hockey and we all know what we're getting into. But Wave1's brand of hockey is clearly questionable and I have experienced it first hand when they played my kid's team. You're not wrong saying every team has a hothead, Wave1 just happens to have multiple of those and it's apparent that the coaches either no longer have control or are instructing them to behave as such. Either way is sad and disturbing.

Bantam hockey can be subjective but when you have multiple ejections plus 2&10's every single game, truth can no longer be denied. Winning or losing is secondary but SAFETY is paramount. Sooner or later CAHA and/or karma will catch up and Wave1 will be disciplined. Although coaches can be blamed for their team's on/off ice behavior, players themselves at this age, must be accountable for their actions.

Running up the score?! Generally I'm not a fan of it but in this case, it seems more of a distraction. The real issue should be why are Wave1 kids collecting penalties like it's going out of style and perhaps their goalie should've been more disciplined and not get himself kicked out, especially knowing he's the only goalie they have.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Bystander on October 09, 2017, 03:39:48 PM
Evidently changing the name of your team but keeping the administration intact hasn't changed the results for BF's wildcats/reign
12U AA. 0-3-1
14U AA. 0-4-0
16U AA. 0-3-0
18U AA. 0-3-1

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on October 09, 2017, 04:01:20 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.




SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.


If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.


Stay Classy folks!


I am not a Wave 1 parent. 


If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play.  Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.




My kid is actually a decent size so it is not something that affects me directly...the discussion is in in general of all teams that have played WAVE 1. All teams that play them seem to have the same issue...I am not blaming the club as a whole since my kids team did play the 04 Wada Wave team and despite the fact that we lost...our team did not experience the same issues that were encountered when we played Wave 1.


oh and the "if you are a Wave parent..." statement was a general statement for anyone that has a kid on that team. It was not meant directly towards you SKATINGDAD.


Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on October 09, 2017, 04:13:32 PM
Evidently changing the name of your team but keeping the administration intact hasn't changed the results for BF's wildcats/reign
12U AA. 0-3-1
14U AA. 0-4-0
16U AA. 0-3-0
18U AA. 0-3-1
Bystander: Your kid obviously has never played for BF or heard his sales pitch. It's not about winning. It's about development, it's about FUELING THE PASSION!! You don't ever see any of his teams orchestrating a goalie ejection or running up the score.  HE IS PURE INTEGRITY.  The club's 80% player turnover every year is a little puzzling though.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 09, 2017, 04:41:14 PM
Between this thread and the PWAA thread going on over there, its gonna be an interesting season to watch.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: coachbombay on October 09, 2017, 06:15:49 PM
why didn't the wave suit up a skater? is that not allowed? I think they have couple of kids that have played goalie before.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 09, 2017, 08:39:54 PM
why didn't the wave suit up a skater? is that not allowed? I think they have couple of kids that have played goalie before.


Because there was less than 10 minutes left in the game and the score was already 12-2 or something close to that.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 09, 2017, 08:41:40 PM
Evidently changing the name of your team but keeping the administration intact hasn't changed the results for BF's wildcats/reign
12U AA. 0-3-1
14U AA. 0-4-0
16U AA. 0-3-0
18U AA. 0-3-1
Bystander: Your kid obviously has never played for BF or heard his sales pitch. It's not about winning. It's about development, it's about FUELING THE PASSION!! You don't ever see any of his teams orchestrating a goalie ejection or running up the score.  HE IS PURE INTEGRITY.  The club's 80% player turnover every year is a little puzzling though.


LMAO  ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 09, 2017, 09:19:22 PM
OC 1 vs Wave 1 this Sunday 😂 should be a good physical matchup there.



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on October 09, 2017, 09:30:54 PM
Where the heck is our SCAHA schedule? 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 09, 2017, 09:48:05 PM
Where the heck is our SCAHA schedule?


Our manager got it from SCAHA... they gave her the next 4 weeks.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 09, 2017, 10:29:18 PM
Where the heck is our SCAHA schedule?


Our manager got it from SCAHA... they gave her the next 4 weeks.


It's finally posted on the website.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on October 09, 2017, 10:35:23 PM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.




SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.


If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.


Stay Classy folks!


I am not a Wave 1 parent. 


If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play.  Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.

SkatingDad, I guess you haven't seen Wave 1 play yet, so forgive those of us who have for taking your comments on the topic with a truckload of salt.  It has nothing to do with size -- in fact, Wave 1 are not even a particularly big team, which is one reason why their chicken$#&^ will come home to roost.


I have seem them play and there are some tall kids. 


These are kids we are talking about!  The coaches and parents should be ashamed of themselves for cheering for running up a 17-2 score with an empty next.  You included! They are kids.


BTW, I prefer Sea Salt and Bantam Chickens.

Sorry Skating Dad, you must have me mistaken for some other tool.  I wasn't there, let alone cheering, so I have nothing to be "ashamed" of.  Nor did I advocate cheering while running up the score.  Please read twice, and then take a breath before hitting the "post" button, next time you have an urge to reply to me.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 10, 2017, 10:13:41 AM

Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.

I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.


I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game.  I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them...  That could be any team on on any given game.  Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing.  The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called. 


That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.




SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.


If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.


Stay Classy folks!


I am not a Wave 1 parent. 


If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play.  Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.

SkatingDad, I guess you haven't seen Wave 1 play yet, so forgive those of us who have for taking your comments on the topic with a truckload of salt.  It has nothing to do with size -- in fact, Wave 1 are not even a particularly big team, which is one reason why their chicken$#&^ will come home to roost.


I have seem them play and there are some tall kids. 


These are kids we are talking about!  The coaches and parents should be ashamed of themselves for cheering for running up a 17-2 score with an empty next.  You included! They are kids.


BTW, I prefer Sea Salt and Bantam Chickens.

Sorry Skating Dad, you must have me mistaken for some other tool.  I wasn't there, let alone cheering, so I have nothing to be "ashamed" of.  Nor did I advocate cheering while running up the score.  Please read twice, and then take a breath before hitting the "post" button, next time you have an urge to reply to me.


Where is the fun in that?  If you can not take the heat stay out of the kitchen.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on October 10, 2017, 10:53:41 AM
Wow did this get way off topic of the predictions.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 10, 2017, 11:47:57 AM
lighten up francis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 10, 2017, 01:07:56 PM
lighten up francis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs)
;D ;D ;D That's like the 3rd reference to "Francis" in the last two weeks.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 10, 2017, 01:21:38 PM
lighten up francis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs)
;D ;D ;D That's like the 3rd reference to "Francis" in the last two weeks.

There is lots of Francis like behavior going on in here. lol
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 10, 2017, 02:17:39 PM
If any of you homos talk shit on my team...... I'll kill ya!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on October 10, 2017, 03:34:34 PM
30 day suspension for saying that in this league.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 10, 2017, 03:42:53 PM
If any of you homos talk shit on my team...... I'll kill ya!
Your kid can't shoot and skates funny...... :D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 10, 2017, 04:20:36 PM
If any of you homos talk shit on my team...... I'll kill ya!
Your kid can't shoot and skates funny...... :D


You just made the list!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on October 11, 2017, 04:22:18 PM
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for.   Especially the celebrations.
Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. I've watched them play. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.

The coach won't do anything about them.  The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle).  The parents won't do anything about them.  So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it.  I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message.  Then we can all go back to just playing hockey.  Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 11, 2017, 05:00:34 PM
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for.   Especially the celebrations.
Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.

The coach won't do anything about them.  The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle).  The parents won't do anything about them.  So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it.  I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message.  Then we can all go back to just playing hockey.  Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.


Running up the score is not the issue.  The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout.  When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal.  Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents.  Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties,  this behavior can not be justified.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 11, 2017, 10:23:24 PM
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for.   Especially the celebrations.
Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. I've watched them play. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.

The coach won't do anything about them.  The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle).  The parents won't do anything about them.  So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it.  I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message.  Then we can all go back to just playing hockey.  Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.
Will LOVE to see what a big, skilled 03 team will do to them if they pull that crap .......Wait, play OC 03s this week end...... ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: nzone on October 11, 2017, 11:50:11 PM
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for.   Especially the celebrations.
Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.

The coach won't do anything about them.  The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle).  The parents won't do anything about them.  So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it.  I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message.  Then we can all go back to just playing hockey.  Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.


Running up the score is not the issue.  The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout.  When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal.  Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents.  Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties,  this behavior can not be justified.


Celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal? I saw the end of the game and that is quite an exaggeration. Some fist bumps yes but it definitely didn't look like the first goal celebration. The only bigger celebration I saw was on the last goal. It appeared it had some kind of a meaning to the ducks.


Every coach my kid ever played for was teaching the kids not to retaliate and instead hurt them where it matters the most, on the board. Wouldn't that apply here since the empty net was a result of a goalie being ejected from the game for attacking one of the ducks players? If the goalie left the game due to injury now that would be a different story.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 12, 2017, 12:22:11 AM

Running up the score is not the issue.  The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout.  When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal.  Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents.  Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties,  this behavior can not be justified.

What the actual f%*k did I just read!? You are sure 1/3 to 1/2 of the calls were not actually penalties? How so? If you've seen how they play, I'd bet Wave1 probably got away with 1/3 more than what was actually called. Quit worrying about meaningless cellies instead of the actual problem, which is why are these kids playing like a bunch of thugs. Playing recklessly and trying to hurt other kids is the ONLY behavior that can not be justified.

You sure you're not a Wave1 parent?

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on October 12, 2017, 07:48:56 AM
Every coach my kid ever played for was teaching the kids not to retaliate and instead hurt them where it matters the most, on the board. Wouldn't that apply here since the empty net was a result of a goalie being ejected from the game for attacking one of the ducks players? If the goalie left the game due to injury now that would be a different story.
This.  There are a few JD1 kids that could have taken matters in their own hands and looked to retaliate physically.  Be glad there was only damage done on the scoreboard and that some egos were hurt...they heal a lot quicker than concussions and injuries.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 12, 2017, 09:31:11 AM

Running up the score is not the issue.  The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout.  When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal.  Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents.  Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties,  this behavior can not be justified.

What the actual f%*k did I just read!? You are sure 1/3 to 1/2 of the calls were not actually penalties? How so? If you've seen how they play, I'd bet Wave1 probably got away with 1/3 more than what was actually called. Quit worrying about meaningless cellies instead of the actual problem, which is why are these kids playing like a bunch of thugs. Playing recklessly and trying to hurt other kids is the ONLY behavior that can not be justified.

You sure you're not a Wave1 parent?


The 1/3 to 1/2 of calls not being actual penalties is an observation of watching youth hockey for many years.  They also miss that many calls.  The same statistics apply to every game with a standard deviation.


They are overly protective of the small kids and the refs actually give reasons for the penalties of "He hit to hard"  That is not in the rule book!  If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was. I have seen that called many times and it usually is a 10 and 2.  What is that teaching the kids?


No Wave 2 parent, I am not a Wave 1 parent.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on October 12, 2017, 09:38:53 AM

Every coach my kid ever played for was teaching the kids not to retaliate and instead hurt them where it matters the most, on the board. Wouldn't that apply here since the empty net was a result of a goalie being ejected from the game for attacking one of the ducks players? If the goalie left the game due to injury now that would be a different story.



Great point.


Still not sure it should have been cheered on, and it may even have been more impactful had it all been "silent, but deadly".
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 12, 2017, 09:52:17 AM
Anyone know why the Ducks 1 and Wave 1 score was changed to 0-1?  CAHA now states the Wave won.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 12, 2017, 09:54:27 AM
Anyone know why the Ducks 1 and Wave 1 score was changed to 0-1?  CAHA now states the Wave won.
Forfeit??
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 12, 2017, 09:55:34 AM
Holy crap, this is gonna be GOOOOOD....
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 12, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
Anyone know why the Ducks 1 and Wave 1 score was changed to 0-1?  CAHA now states the Wave won.


Holly Cheaters!

What happened?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 12, 2017, 10:03:55 AM
So I heard and maybe a Ducks parent can clear this up.

Ducks played a suspended player.

If this is true your coach is a Jackass.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 12, 2017, 10:05:30 AM
It's because they used a suspended player.  Look at suspension list on CAHA.com
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 12, 2017, 10:07:43 AM
Coach is suspended now... serving it on 10/15.


I thought I saw this coming.... a kid got a game misconduct the day before vs Blackhawks.   Then I saw that kid in the game during the 17-2 beat down. 


Karma indeed
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 12, 2017, 10:09:21 AM
It's because they used a suspended player.  Look at suspension list on CAHA.com


How dumb can you be?  I hope that was worth it.  :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on October 12, 2017, 10:09:53 AM
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for.   Especially the celebrations.
Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.

The coach won't do anything about them.  The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle).  The parents won't do anything about them.  So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it.  I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message.  Then we can all go back to just playing hockey.  Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.


Running up the score is not the issue.  The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout.  When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal.  Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents.  Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties,  this behavior can not be justified.
baahaa...this guy!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 12, 2017, 10:12:16 AM
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for.   Especially the celebrations.
Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.

The coach won't do anything about them.  The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle).  The parents won't do anything about them.  So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it.  I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message.  Then we can all go back to just playing hockey.  Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.


Running up the score is not the issue.  The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout.  When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal.  Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents.  Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties,  this behavior can not be justified.
baahaa...this guy!


Awe I am not one of the cool kids :(
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on October 12, 2017, 10:16:12 AM
It's because they used a suspended player.  Look at suspension list on CAHA.com


How dumb can you be?  I hope that was worth it.  :o
were the manager and coach unaware of the Game Misconduct??? you got to be kidding me!!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 12, 2017, 10:44:35 AM
The team was told the ejection from the previous game would not affect that player's ability to play in the next game.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 12, 2017, 10:51:48 AM
Apparently they were given bad unformation.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 12, 2017, 10:53:12 AM

The 1/3 to 1/2 of calls not being actual penalties is an observation of watching youth hockey for many years.  They also miss that many calls.  The same statistics apply to every game with a standard deviation.

They are overly protective of the small kids and the refs actually give reasons for the penalties of "He hit to hard"  That is not in the rule book!  If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was. I have seen that called many times and it usually is a 10 and 2.  What is that teaching the kids?

No Wave 2 parent, I am not a Wave 1 parent.

Thanks for clarifying because I seriously thought for a sec that you're a Wave1 parent since you go out of the way to defend them (despite general consensus being that Wave1 plays like goons) and said you have never even watch them play?

Anyhow, regarding the "he hits too hard" or 2 & 10 calls, I know those too well unfortunately. My kid seems to excel at violent hits. If you know who he is, you'd know that he has never been labeled dirty. He never even targets little kids, but if you are his same size or bigger, it's fair game to him and recently he got a 2 & 10 vs a Kings1 Dmen who was probably 3-4 inches taller but when he was hit, he curled up and fell into the boards. Clean and legal hit but again, "too violent" which like you said, it's not in the rule book.

Refs have called a few 2 & 10's on him and their explanation is usually the same, the hits are "too big" or "too violent" that they had to call something. Not that they were dirty hits, just "too big" and I can tell you that my kid has been a different player ever since... For the past few weeks, he hasn't been himself on ice. He's apprehensive about when to hit and afraid to get calls and when you're not playing free out there, your game suffers. He did manage to make hits while not visiting the box during Valencia and he even had a convo with a ref in the parking lot after his last game and it went like this:

Ref: Hey are you 'last name,' number XX?
Kid: Yes.
Ref: Ya, I saw you out there... trying to kill people...
Kid: .......
Ref: But they were all clean.

I can tell you that my son felt somewhat validated and was appreciative of what the ref said. Hopefully he has learned his lesson and will play carefree again soon with more emphasis on safety...

So my point is that yes, you're not wrong to say that 1/3 to 1/2 calls are iffy/borderline and justice depends on the refs. You get a picky ref, a borderline call is a penalty but to a not-so-picky ref, he might let them play. But I'm with you on "If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was" but truth is the refs dictate what's legal or not. It's just when it comes to Wave1, it really seems to be a pattern and getting harder to justify their action...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 12, 2017, 11:12:32 AM

The 1/3 to 1/2 of calls not being actual penalties is an observation of watching youth hockey for many years.  They also miss that many calls.  The same statistics apply to every game with a standard deviation.

They are overly protective of the small kids and the refs actually give reasons for the penalties of "He hit to hard"  That is not in the rule book!  If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was. I have seen that called many times and it usually is a 10 and 2.  What is that teaching the kids?

No Wave 2 parent, I am not a Wave 1 parent.

Thanks for clarifying because I seriously thought for a sec that you're a Wave1 parent since you go out of the way to defend them (despite general consensus being that Wave1 plays like goons) and said you have never even watch them play?




Seems to only be a consensus with Wave 2 parents.


I have seen them play and a couple of kids are a little out of control at times but, noting out of the ordinary for Bantam hockey.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 12, 2017, 11:33:13 AM

Seems to only be a consensus with Wave 2 parents.


Mmmm'kay...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 12, 2017, 11:53:17 AM
It's because they used a suspended player.  Look at suspension list on CAHA.com
This is PURE comedy. Both teams are pretty funny. One one side we have the Wave... everyone is complaining about how cheap they are and that they run around cheapshoting everyone. Then, on the other side we have the misfit Ducks 1 with a coach that’s at best, questionable (cheater). You can’t make this stuff up folks. 😂😂😂😂 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 12, 2017, 12:21:13 PM

Like the previous poster said: you can't make this sh!t up...

http://youtu.be/MK6TXMsvgQg (http://youtu.be/MK6TXMsvgQg)
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 12, 2017, 12:41:25 PM
The team was told the ejection from the previous game would not affect that player's ability to play in the next game.

Well, in my opinion, it's entirely plausible that this was the case. CAHA is not exactly known for being the most concise communicator and wouldn't surprise me that miscommunication happened here... I highly doubt a coach would be stupid enough to 'cheat' by knowingly let a suspended player play and hoping nobody would notice.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 12, 2017, 12:48:56 PM
I suppose it depends where the source of info came from.  Was it said by the on-ice official?  Interesting that the CAHA suspension list mentions serving the game suspension this coming weekend, but the CAHA guidebook states the following:


6.8 GAME MISCONDUCTS: a. Game misconduct penalties must be served in the next pre-scheduled game with that team (the game already appearing on the CAHA or league approved schedule of that team at the time of the infraction) unless they will no longer be playing with that team then it reverts back to the next scheduled USA Hockey game. (Refer to USA Hockey Playing Rule 404 (b)).


Which means it was supposed to be served on 10/8 against the Wave.  Unless CAHA reverses this forfeiture, it looks like the Wave get the last laugh.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 12, 2017, 01:09:06 PM
That's the whole point of this forfeit.... he was supposed to serve it but didnt... now the coach is suspended... the team lost a game... and the kid still has to sit out a game.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 12, 2017, 01:18:52 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 12, 2017, 01:30:12 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?

My guess is that they will get a Wave goalie from a 14U A team. I believe teams can fill the goaltending position in this type of a situation.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 12, 2017, 02:08:36 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 12, 2017, 02:10:42 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?

My guess is that they will get a Wave goalie from a 14U A team. I believe teams can fill the goaltending position in this type of a situation.


Would they be able to have one of their current skaters suit up?

That is another option...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on October 12, 2017, 02:19:24 PM
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?

According to CAHA suspension posting, "Game Misconduct. To be served 10/15 v OCHC(1)." So yes, he's suspended.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 12, 2017, 02:22:25 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?


That is a good question.  The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on October 12, 2017, 02:35:03 PM
Think since he played in a game he wasn't supposed (even though it was a forfeit) to that he still has to sit a game.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 12, 2017, 02:35:37 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?


That is a good question.  The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.

I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 12, 2017, 02:38:30 PM
Think since he played in a game he wasn't supposed (even though it was a forfeit) to that he still has to sit a game.

The Wave goalie wasn't suspended from that game. A player from the Jr Ducks was suspended from that game and wasn't supposed to play. Since the coach played the suspended player, the game is considered a forfeit and the Wave win 1-0. Just because the game is now a forfeit does not excuse the Wave goalie from his behavior. He hit an opposing player in the head with his blocker and was given a game misconduct penalty. Therefore, he is suspended from the next game. It doesn't matter if the game was a forfeit or not.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 12, 2017, 02:38:46 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?


That is a good question.  The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.

I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.


I sill think it should be a suspension but, the game technically did not happen.  There is no score sheet for the game.  How could he have hit a kid in the head with his blocker if the game did not happen?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 12, 2017, 02:43:29 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?


That is a good question.  The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.

I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.


I sill think it should be a suspension but, the game technically did not happen.  There is no score sheet for the game.  How could he have hit a kid in the head with his blocker if the game did not happen?

But you see the game did happen. I was there. I watched it happen. The coach for the Jr Ducks used a suspended player which wasn't discovered until after the game was over. It's no different if a player gets a match penalty during a pre-season exhibition game. As long as the game falls under USA Hockey rules, the enforcement of penalties still occurs regardless of the status of the game. Exhibition game, pre-season game, regular season game, forfeited game, etc... it doesn't matter. Penalties can be handed out before, during and after the game. The game occurred, the goalie punched a player in the head so he is suspended.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 12, 2017, 02:50:16 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?


That is a good question.  The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.

I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.


I sill think it should be a suspension but, the game technically did not happen.  There is no score sheet for the game.  How could he have hit a kid in the head with his blocker if the game did not happen?

But you see the game did happen. I was there. I watched it happen. The coach for the Jr Ducks used a suspended player which wasn't discovered until after the game was over. It's no different if a player gets a match penalty during a pre-season exhibition game. As long as the game falls under USA Hockey rules, the enforcement of penalties still occurs regardless of the status of the game. Exhibition game, pre-season game, regular season game, forfeited game, etc... it doesn't matter. Penalties can be handed out before, during and after the game. The game occurred, the goalie punched a player in the head so he is suspended.


Agreed


However, using that same logic, the goals and assist should also count.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 12, 2017, 03:25:25 PM
Interesting, penalties count but other stats do not. This is minutiae that must exist in a rule book somewhere, maybe the Twilight Zone. A head scratcher for sure.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 12, 2017, 03:28:30 PM
Maybe the forfeit only pertains to the score so the goals (and therefore assists) don't count. I wonder if all of the other PIM still count?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 12, 2017, 03:43:19 PM
Jmo but it falls on manager/coach.  They should know better.


Rule is pretty clear cut.



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on October 12, 2017, 03:56:06 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?


That is a good question.  The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.

I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.


I sill think it should be a suspension but, the game technically did not happen.  There is no score sheet for the game.  How could he have hit a kid in the head with his blocker if the game did not happen?

But you see the game did happen. I was there. I watched it happen. The coach for the Jr Ducks used a suspended player which wasn't discovered until after the game was over. It's no different if a player gets a match penalty during a pre-season exhibition game. As long as the game falls under USA Hockey rules, the enforcement of penalties still occurs regardless of the status of the game. Exhibition game, pre-season game, regular season game, forfeited game, etc... it doesn't matter. Penalties can be handed out before, during and after the game. The game occurred, the goalie punched a player in the head so he is suspended.


Agreed


However, using that same logic, the goals and assist should also count.
Correction, Skating Dad: at least a third (maybe half) of the goals and assists should not count. BE CONSISTENT!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 12, 2017, 03:58:10 PM
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?


That is a good question.  The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.

I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.


I sill think it should be a suspension but, the game technically did not happen.  There is no score sheet for the game.  How could he have hit a kid in the head with his blocker if the game did not happen?

But you see the game did happen. I was there. I watched it happen. The coach for the Jr Ducks used a suspended player which wasn't discovered until after the game was over. It's no different if a player gets a match penalty during a pre-season exhibition game. As long as the game falls under USA Hockey rules, the enforcement of penalties still occurs regardless of the status of the game. Exhibition game, pre-season game, regular season game, forfeited game, etc... it doesn't matter. Penalties can be handed out before, during and after the game. The game occurred, the goalie punched a player in the head so he is suspended.


Agreed


However, using that same logic, the goals and assist should also count.
Correction, Skating Dad: at least a third (maybe half) of the goals and assists should not count. BE CONSISTENT!


Well played  :)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: dustydad on October 13, 2017, 01:35:41 AM

The 1/3 to 1/2 of calls not being actual penalties is an observation of watching youth hockey for many years.  They also miss that many calls.  The same statistics apply to every game with a standard deviation.

They are overly protective of the small kids and the refs actually give reasons for the penalties of "He hit to hard"  That is not in the rule book!  If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was. I have seen that called many times and it usually is a 10 and 2.  What is that teaching the kids?

No Wave 2 parent, I am not a Wave 1 parent.

Thanks for clarifying because I seriously thought for a sec that you're a Wave1 parent since you go out of the way to defend them (despite general consensus being that Wave1 plays like goons) and said you have never even watch them play?

Anyhow, regarding the "he hits too hard" or 2 & 10 calls, I know those too well unfortunately. My kid seems to excel at violent hits. If you know who he is, you'd know that he has never been labeled dirty. He never even targets little kids, but if you are his same size or bigger, it's fair game to him and recently he got a 2 & 10 vs a Kings1 Dmen who was probably 3-4 inches taller but when he was hit, he curled up and fell into the boards. Clean and legal hit but again, "too violent" which like you said, it's not in the rule book.

Refs have called a few 2 & 10's on him and their explanation is usually the same, the hits are "too big" or "too violent" that they had to call something. Not that they were dirty hits, just "too big" and I can tell you that my kid has been a different player ever since... For the past few weeks, he hasn't been himself on ice. He's apprehensive about when to hit and afraid to get calls and when you're not playing free out there, your game suffers. He did manage to make hits while not visiting the box during Valencia and he even had a convo with a ref in the parking lot after his last game and it went like this:

Ref: Hey are you 'last name,' number XX?
Kid: Yes.
Ref: Ya, I saw you out there... trying to kill people...
Kid: .......
Ref: But they were all clean.

I can tell you that my son felt somewhat validated and was appreciative of what the ref said. Hopefully he has learned his lesson and will play carefree again soon with more emphasis on safety...

So my point is that yes, you're not wrong to say that 1/3 to 1/2 calls are iffy/borderline and justice depends on the refs. You get a picky ref, a borderline call is a penalty but to a not-so-picky ref, he might let them play. But I'm with you on "If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was" but truth is the refs dictate what's legal or not. It's just when it comes to Wave1, it really seems to be a pattern and getting harder to justify their action...

Don't worry about that stuff.

My kid is a short player, definitely stands out as a smaller player on his team but also plays extremely physical and led his team in penalty minutes due to some bad calls by the refs last season. Were they huge physical hits? Absolutely. Dirty/dangerous? Definitely not. Many times the refs gave him 2+10 and on his way to the box the refs made comments along the lines of "that was a good hit but just too hard, you need to tone it down" even against bigger kids. Fortunately his coach didn't punish him for any of it and he continued the same style of play throughout the season.

Fast forward to this season, he's still a small kid and still dishing out the same big hits yet he has zero penalties to date in almost 10 games so far.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on October 13, 2017, 12:20:01 PM
Well the OC v Wave game this weekend should be another good spectacle. Between Waves "dirty" thug  play and OCs inability to stay out of the penalty box it could get ugly. It appears that Waves coach is condoning this play and OC is full of less disciplined players. OC has a few big kids but those don't seem to be their liability players that are hurting their team. I put wave by 1 this weekend
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 13, 2017, 01:44:05 PM
Well the OC v Wave game this weekend should be another good spectacle. Between Waves "dirty" thug  play and OCs inability to stay out of the penalty box it could get ugly. It appears that Waves coach is condoning this play and OC is full of less disciplined players. OC has a few big kids but those don't seem to be their liability players that are hurting their team. I put wave by 1 this weekend


I would say that is optimistic  If you remember, the Wave only have one goalie and he is suspended.  They will be playing with a sub goalie.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 13, 2017, 01:56:48 PM
Well the OC v Wave game this weekend should be another good spectacle. Between Waves "dirty" thug  play and OCs inability to stay out of the penalty box it could get ugly. It appears that Waves coach is condoning this play and OC is full of less disciplined players. OC has a few big kids but those don't seem to be their liability players that are hurting their team. I put wave by 1 this weekend


I would say that is optimistic  If you remember, the Wave only have one goalie and he is suspended.  They will be playing with a sub goalie.


Maybe he will be player of the game, who knows where he will come from, he may have pressure to play really well.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on October 13, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
That's why they play the game.  :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 13, 2017, 08:37:00 PM
Because The Wave goalie got tossed for throwing punches, he should have to own those 10 goals he gave up.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 13, 2017, 10:36:58 PM
The only way Wave beats OC is if OC plays an ineligible player, lol
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 14, 2017, 08:49:47 PM
Where are the lines for this week?



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 15, 2017, 08:39:57 AM
Busy at work.


Someone's gotta pay for the weekends.....


WRATH OF CAHA(N)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 15, 2017, 09:10:55 AM
Busy at work.


Someone's gotta pay for the weekends.....


WRATH OF CAHA(N)


Since when is work more important then Hockey?


Come on now!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 15, 2017, 01:46:49 PM
OCHC over Wave 6-0.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 15, 2017, 01:50:02 PM
OCHC over Wave 6-0.
Shots were 58-6 OC

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 15, 2017, 01:57:41 PM
Wave kids were dirty as hell.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 15, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
Any new scores to report
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 15, 2017, 05:05:56 PM
Wave kids were dirty as hell.
2 Wave1 players were kicked out of the game. The last one was a check from behind into the boards
The kid also was butt ended. Really no room for these types of players. Seems to be the same kids over and over
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on October 15, 2017, 05:10:42 PM
Well by the looks of SOG and the score did OC finally show up and play-was it that the Wave had a fill in goalie or did they look better than they did in Valencia??? Just curious. Sounds like Wave can not get control of their kids!


Any other scores to report?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 15, 2017, 05:17:00 PM
Well by the looks of SOG and the score did OC finally show up and play-was it that the Wave had a fill in goalie or did they look better than they did in Valencia??? Just curious. Sounds like Wave can not get control of their kids!


Any other scores to report?


The fill in goalie was spectacular for the first period and a half... then the flood gates opened.  First period SOG was OC 18, wave 0.  Wave then got the first 2 sog in second then the next time I looked it was 32-2.  OC was dominant from the start... I'd say the real OC showed up
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: dreal on October 15, 2017, 05:35:02 PM
Wave kids were dirty as hell.

The Wave Goalie, who normally skates out, played an amazing game.  To surrender 6 goals on 58 shots was remarkable.  After the 1st period, it was 1-0 OC and the shots were 18-0.  Wave kids eventually played an undisciplined game, became frustrated and had a player ejected for boarding/hit to back.  This past week, OC Coach has instituted a rule for accountability which will result in a loss of playing time for various infractions/penalty.  A lot of kids were benched for a shift (or two), and were immediately instructed regarding their actions/inactions/penalty etc...The parents were overwhelmingly in support of the coach to hold their own kid accountable.  Still early, but seemed to have the desired effect...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 15, 2017, 05:45:23 PM
Well by the looks of SOG and the score did OC finally show up and play-was it that the Wave had a fill in goalie or did they look better than they did in Valencia??? Just curious. Sounds like Wave can not get control of their kids!


Any other scores to report?
OC played like they should... the difference between this game and the one in Valencia was that OC got back on track to playing like a team AND staying out of the box. 3 to 4 penalties a game is average but they took 13 against them in Valencia and they didn’t play a team game. The Wave goalie was awesome in Valencia and this one played great as well... OC will be fine... 14 year olds can lose focus quickly and the coach is definitely holding kids accountable for missed plays and bad penalties. A lot of kids were sat today after a shift for undisciplined play. Giving up two leads in Valencia was a big wake up call for the team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 15, 2017, 07:20:31 PM
Ducks1 over Flyers 2-0


Flyers pulled their goalie with over 2 min left and Ducks cashed in on it.


Lots of penalties on the Flyers two of their D men got 10 min each.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on October 15, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable.  I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of.  Nothing like an entire game of special teams.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 15, 2017, 07:41:41 PM
Ducks1 over Flyers 2-0


Flyers pulled their goalie with over 2 min left and Ducks cashed in on it.


Lots of penalties on the Flyers two of their D men got 10 min each.

A coach of ours was at his daughter's LD practice and observed a loud fight/disagreement between Ducks 1 parents.  Ducks 1 Coach came in screaming about something regarding their ability to "get along"?  I heard this 2nd hand just attempting to squash rumors or generate interesting commentary on a hockey blog...


Hmmm wasn't Ducks1 Coach suspended?

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 15, 2017, 07:46:29 PM
Ducks only score 1 goal with a goalie actually in net?  They need to do a better job of getting the goalie to punch someone
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 15, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
Well the OC v Wave game this weekend should be another good spectacle. Between Waves "dirty" thug  play and OCs inability to stay out of the penalty box it could get ugly. It appears that Waves coach is condoning this play and OC is full of less disciplined players. OC has a few big kids but those don't seem to be their liability players that are hurting their team. I put wave by 1 this weekend


Hope you didn't bet money on that.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on October 15, 2017, 10:22:13 PM
Well the OC v Wave game this weekend should be another good spectacle. Between Waves "dirty" thug  play and OCs inability to stay out of the penalty box it could get ugly. It appears that Waves coach is condoning this play and OC is full of less disciplined players. OC has a few big kids but those don't seem to be their liability players that are hurting their team. I put wave by 1 this weekend


Hope you didn't bet money on that.


Haha wasn't aware of their goalie circumstance---was anticipating OC would play the way they did in Valencia with penalties and using only half their bench. Woulld not mind if they do it up in Vacaville!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Into the Boards on October 16, 2017, 09:13:42 AM
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable.  I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of.  Nothing like an entire game of special teams.


That is incorrect.  Bantam Flyers only took 4 penalties to the Ducks who took 2.  4 Penalties is hardly an "entire game of special teams".
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 16, 2017, 09:47:24 AM
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable.  I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of.  Nothing like an entire game of special teams.


That is incorrect.  Bantam Flyers only took 4 penalties to the Ducks who took 2.  4 Penalties is hardly an "entire game of special teams".

Except half of the Flyers were game misconduct 10 min.

PuckYeah was also speaking about the Midget game he was there not at the Bantam game.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Into the Boards on October 16, 2017, 12:33:37 PM
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable.  I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of.  Nothing like an entire game of special teams.


That is incorrect.  Bantam Flyers only took 4 penalties to the Ducks who took 2.  4 Penalties is hardly an "entire game of special teams".

Except half of the Flyers were game misconduct 10 min.

PuckYeah was also speaking about the Midget game he was there not at the Bantam game.


10 Minute misconducts don't equate to special team play.  He specifically said the Bantam took penalties that put them on special teams for the entire game. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 16, 2017, 01:44:36 PM
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable.  I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of.  Nothing like an entire game of special teams.
He doesn't stipulate which game was entirely of special teams.  Since the Bantams only took 4, care to speculate on what happened there?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on October 16, 2017, 03:48:52 PM
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable.  I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of.  Nothing like an entire game of special teams.


That is incorrect.  Bantam Flyers only took 4 penalties to the Ducks who took 2.  4 Penalties is hardly an "entire game of special teams".

Except half of the Flyers were game misconduct 10 min.

PuckYeah was also speaking about the Midget game he was there not at the Bantam game.


10 Minute misconducts don't equate to special team play.  He specifically said the Bantam took penalties that put them on special teams for the entire game.


If you can find where I " "specifically said" the Bantam took penalties that put them on special teams for the entire game"  I will buy you a Steak dinner and a new car to get there.   I was referring to the Midgets but also commenting on PK suggesting the Bantams had "lots of penalties"  I didn't even see the game.


You wouldn't happen to be working with Al Gore on the Global Warming statistics would you?  You are seeing sh*t that just ain't there my friend. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on October 16, 2017, 03:53:27 PM
Stick tap for the Al Gore reference.   ::) :P
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on October 16, 2017, 04:01:28 PM
46 minutes in penalties for 4 CAHA games.  SCAHA games excluded that is 3 periods of penalties out of 12 total and it was concentrated in a couple games.  Hence my reference to playing an entire game (for boards, there are 3 periods in a game ) on special teams.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 18, 2017, 09:00:29 AM
anyone know any of the Flight II results?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 18, 2017, 09:03:35 AM
anyone know any of the Flight II results?


Why are managers not posting scores?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rats13 on October 18, 2017, 09:38:58 AM
anyone know any of the Flight II results?


Why are managers not posting scores?

I don't think SCAHA scores get posted for AA.  Only the CAHA scores.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 18, 2017, 11:06:41 AM
anyone know any of the Flight II results?


Why are managers not posting scores?

I don't think SCAHA scores get posted for AA.  Only the CAHA scores.

They can be posted they just are not posting or do not know how.

Mariners 5 Wada 2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 18, 2017, 12:12:25 PM
This week's picks......


Da BEARS.                VS.                  JK1.            BEARS BY 5


JR FLYERS.                                        JD2.           IF BY 8


OC1.                           VS.                  BICKS.        OC1 BY 10


WW.                                                   LADY DUCKS.   TIE


EMPIRE.                     VS.                JK2.              EMPIRE BY 6


WAVE1.                                            JD1.              JD1 BY 17 (IF THEY DON'T CHEAT)


Good luck everyone
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on October 18, 2017, 03:14:38 PM
Wada Wave not playing the ld this week.  Out of town
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on October 18, 2017, 03:49:31 PM
The boys absolutely hate playing the LD.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 19, 2017, 01:51:26 PM
This week's picks......


WAVE1.                                            JD1.              JD1 BY 17 (IF THEY DON'T CHEAT)


Good luck everyone
LMFAO! Stick tap x10  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 20, 2017, 11:37:36 AM
It looks like the Wave goalie is under a "summary suspension". Does anyone care to comment what this means? Does it have to do with him being around the team during his one game suspension this past weekend?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 20, 2017, 01:05:17 PM
What is the definition of a "summary suspension"?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on October 20, 2017, 01:12:45 PM
Found this online:


Officiating Suspensions (a state association or USA Hockey league or local supervisor may suspend a referee for up to 10 days, and a state association or Affiliate may suspend a referee pursuant to the summary suspension procedures below); o Assault of a Game Official (an immediate suspension occurs if a match penalty is assessed under Rule 601(g)1 or 601(j)1, with a playing rule hearing under Bylaw 10.D); and o Summary Suspensions (are permitted “. . . only in those cases where a participant has been assaulted, or subject to physical or sexual abuse as described in the policies of USA Hockey, or other violations of USA Hockey policies as set out in the Annual Guide, or the affiliates’ comparable policies, that have been reviewed, and approved by USA Hockey . . . ”).  Although the language allowing Summary Suspensions for “violations of USA Hockey policies as set out in the Annual Guide, or the affiliates’ comparable policies”, may be interpreted broadly, it is intended that situations calling for suspension prior to a hearing are the exception rather than the rule and hence they should not be overused.  An Affiliate or local league or organization may not issue a Summary Suspension unless the Affiliate’s bylaws, rules or regulations provide for such a suspension.  USA Hockey Bylaw 10.C(2)(d) requires only 7 days notice prior to a hearing. Only extreme cases should rise to the level where a suspension cannot wait for 7 days to conduct a hearing. Although a party may try to delay a hearing, a suspending party would be within their authority to impose a suspension if the notified party did not appear at a properly called hearing (they would then have a right to appeal).  If a Summary Suspension is imposed, the suspended party must be provided a written notice of their right to request a hearing. If the party requests a hearing in writing within 7 days of the notice, they must be provided a hearing pursuant to the provisions of Bylaw 10.C.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 20, 2017, 01:17:46 PM

 Summary Suspensions
A Summary Suspension may be imposed by any Disciplinary
Authority only in those cases where a Party has been arrested
for a crime alleged to have been committed, a Party has
assaulted another or violated the USA Hockey SafeSport Policy,
including such abuse between adults, or other violations of USA
Hockey Policies set forth in the Annual Guide or comparable
Policies of Affiliate Associations that are in writing and have
been approved by USA Hockey.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 20, 2017, 01:27:47 PM

 Summary Suspensions
A Summary Suspension may be imposed by any Disciplinary
Authority only in those cases where a Party has been arrested
for a crime alleged to have been committed, a Party has
assaulted another or violated the USA Hockey SafeSport Policy,
including such abuse between adults, or other violations of USA
Hockey Policies set forth in the Annual Guide or comparable
Policies of Affiliate Associations that are in writing and have
been approved by USA Hockey.

Maybe the blows to the head he dished out were considered assault.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 22, 2017, 01:16:54 PM
OC 1 Over OC 2... 10-1
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 22, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
OC 1 Over OC 2... 10-1


Close one.  ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 23, 2017, 07:20:36 AM
Empire over JK2 7-0
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 23, 2017, 08:36:49 AM
Empire over JK2 7-0


Close one
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on October 23, 2017, 08:49:23 AM
I'll tell you what, that JK2 goalie is the backbone of that team.  Saw 50 shots and only let in 7.  That kid is frickin' huge!  Moves well and good glove too.  Will be interesting to see if he stays there next year.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on October 23, 2017, 11:11:56 AM
Their AAA team should pick him up.  But then he would only get 1/3 of the shots and play 1/2 the time....  And pay 50% more.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 26, 2017, 09:28:58 PM
This weeks picks


Bennys                               vs                         WW          WW BY 3


Da BEARS                           VS                         JK2           BEARS BY 12


EMPIRE                               VS                        JR FLYERS    EMPIRE BY 3


JD2                                     VS                        JD1            BIG BROTHER HOLDS LIL BRO DOWN, SPEWS LOOGIE, SUCKS IT BACK UP


LADY DUCKS                        VS                        SAINTS      SAINTS BY 5


OC2                                    VS                         WAVE 1      WAVE 1 BY 5 ( OVER/UNDER ON WAVE PENALTIES.....10....1 G.M.)


OC1                                     VS                        MARINERS   OC1 BY 4


GOOD LUCK EVERYONE !
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 27, 2017, 06:50:15 AM
BIG BROTHER HOLDS LIL BRO DOWN, SPEWS LOOGIE, SUCKS IT BAC


LMAO ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on October 29, 2017, 08:06:06 PM
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on October 29, 2017, 10:31:31 PM
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4


OC wins for most inconsistent team on the ice
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 29, 2017, 10:46:28 PM
Mariners played extremely well... deserve all the credit for a great game... no excuses for OC.... but it should be noted that OC played, and beat, Kings 04AAA earlier in the day.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Defensive Zone on October 29, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Yes barely beat an all 04 team 6-5 and then tied a flight two team. I guess they can use this same excuse when they have to play two games in a day during a CAHA weekend.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 29, 2017, 11:25:31 PM
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4


OC wins for most inconsistent team on the ice
Great observations on OC1.... Definitely inconsistent and really, thats ok.(it's a long season)  They are a collective group of good 03's that play pretty hard. No kids are billited or travel 2 plus hours to play there.  They're all local homegrown 14 year olds that work hard and enjoy playing hard. You're gonna win and lose. They played 2 periods of good hockey this am against some fast skilled 04 AAA players and took 6 penalties ( Kings scored 4 power play goals) OC came out flat after a four goal lead(6-2) going into the third and really let that slip away. Big let down for OC and it felt like a loss.... Against the Mariners, OC really didn't skate and unfortunately for them couldn't close the game. Mariners have a kid that is as good as any player in the top tier as well as a very good goalie.... At the end of the day, it's youth hockey and its always exciting to watch. Congrats to the Mariners
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 30, 2017, 06:55:36 AM
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4


Just shows how dumb the flight system is. I don't care if it was game two of the day.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 30, 2017, 07:09:06 AM
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4


Just shows how dumb the flight system is. I don't care if it was game two of the day.
Mariners were close to beating another good top tier team the week before ( empire)
Not sure what the answer is.... mariners and flyers and prob the saints could be in that top tier
But the rest are getting beat by 10 to 15 goals every week.
So ..... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 ( I think that’s actually why they did that... the top 2-4 teams will battle it out to have a chance at play downs) and it will be close there.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 30, 2017, 07:19:17 AM
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4


Just shows how dumb the flight system is. I don't care if it was game two of the day.
I do see your point and understand what you’re saying but in the end I think CaHA is simply saying, ‘ok, of you’re not willing to properly assess your teams, then we will. We all know there’s teams playing levels throughout California that shouldn’t be #moneygrab #parentalbraggingrights
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 30, 2017, 07:20:58 AM
Just before the OC1 game was the OC2 game...

Wave1 - 3
OC2 - 2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 30, 2017, 08:07:39 AM

got a few $1000's laying around and still feel your Little Gretz and still do more.

http://www.khsice.com/so/5Lzhyudg?cid=2693da11-52b4-4185-a373-b826bd802bd8#/main
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on October 30, 2017, 09:10:37 AM
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4


Just shows how dumb the flight system is. I don't care if it was game two of the day.
I do see your point and understand what you’re saying but in the end I think CaHA is simply saying, ‘ok, of you’re not willing to properly assess your teams, then we will. We all know there’s teams playing levels throughout California that shouldn’t be #moneygrab #parentalbraggingrights

Good point. There is little question something needed to be done to keep certain clubs from placing their teams in the wrong division. The frustration for many is the way CAHA decided to go about it. There is already a mechanism in place to address the situation: Move the team to Bantam A.

Instead of having the difficult conversation with coaches and clubs, and instead of inconveniencing the CAHA board member who runs the Riverside team, the CAHA leadership decided to allow clubs to retain their ability to simply place teams anywhere they want. Nothing has really changed. As a matter of fact, CAHA has now put in place a system where less honest clubs can more easily sell the "AA" dream and never have to be accountable if the team is really bad. They just go to Flight 2.

CAHA needed leadership when things got tough. They did not get it. The solution is simple:

If a team is not good enough to play with the other AA teams, they are an A team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 30, 2017, 09:28:19 AM
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4


Just shows how dumb the flight system is. I don't care if it was game two of the day.
I do see your point and understand what you’re saying but in the end I think CaHA is simply saying, ‘ok, of you’re not willing to properly assess your teams, then we will. We all know there’s teams playing levels throughout California that shouldn’t be #moneygrab #parentalbraggingrights

Good point. There is little question something needed to be done to keep certain clubs from placing their teams in the wrong division. The frustration for many is the way CAHA decided to go about it. There is already a mechanism in place to address the situation: Move the team to Bantam A.

Instead of having the difficult conversation with coaches and clubs, and instead of inconveniencing the CAHA board member who runs the Riverside team, the CAHA leadership decided to allow clubs to retain their ability to simply place teams anywhere they want. Nothing has really changed. As a matter of fact, CAHA has now put in place a system where less honest clubs can more easily sell the "AA" dream and never have to be accountable if the team is really bad. They just go to Flight 2.

CAHA needed leadership when things got tough. They did not get it. The solution is simple:

If a team is not good enough to play with the other AA teams, they are an A team.
Yeah... super lame and very unfortunate. The top teams playing the worst teams definitely don’t look forward to it. I know for a fact that when a certain top tier team plays the lower teams, they don’t hit.
(And the final scores are usually 10-0 or 15-1 ) And because of that, the games different.
If they did hit, it wouldn’t be pretty. And who benefits from that?
Nobody really.
It is what it is. Hockey in California is interesting at best. Even the AAA isn’t really AAA
The bottom 2 lines are usually kids that would play much better at the AA level. I blame the parents 🙄
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on October 30, 2017, 10:33:01 AM
Ehh.   I think a simple rule where clubs can only field 1 AA team and 1 AAA team will make the problem go away. 
Basically.   AAA = major,  AA = minor.. the rest are A and B.   Then you say no AAA without a AA team and no AA without an A team. 


Then hold all AAA,AA,A tryouts over two weekends all at the same time.




Then let the free market solve the rest.





Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 30, 2017, 11:46:36 AM
Ehh.   I think a simple rule where clubs can only field 1 AA team and 1 AAA team will make the problem go away. 
Basically.   AAA = major,  AA = minor.. the rest are A and B.   Then you say no AAA without a AA team and no AA without an A team. 


Then hold all AAA,AA,A tryouts over two weekends all at the same time.




Then let the free market solve the rest.
That would be WAY to simple and legit. hahahahahah
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on October 30, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Quote
Yeah... super lame and very unfortunate. The top teams playing the worst teams definitely don’t look forward to it. I know for a fact that when a certain top tier team plays the lower teams, they don’t hit.
(And the final scores are usually 10-0 or 15-1 ) And because of that, the games different.
If they did hit, it wouldn’t be pretty. And who benefits from that?

This is simply evidence that the system is broken in multiple ways.  At AA If there are 1, 2 or 3 teams that are simply able to smoke the rest of the other teams in the division 98% of the time, then it shows that those teams most likely should be encouraged to move up to play AAA.  But the CAHA system along with the geographical hurdles to playing other AAA teams around the country,  makes that something the AA teams are unlikely to want to pursue.   This season, we have a team that has already beaten -- what, like 6 AAA teams including major year teams.    That's an indictment of the system and rules we have, because anyone who understands the rules can't possibly blame the team or club in question. 

There's this false narrative going that teams don't get pressured or even downright forced to go down.  For the last 3 years, there has been significant downwards movement of many teams.  It exists, it happens in many cases, and the flight system didn't change anything in that regard.  In my experience a lot of parents have no idea where their team stands at the beginning of a season.  Even the coaches don't really know, especially if the team is a hybrid team.  Blaming the parents for whatever problems might exist in the system is a cop out.    In my opinion no team enjoys being part of a blowout, on either side of the equation, but it's far worse to be on the losing side.  What's silly is the notion that this is a problem that can be fixed, or even needs to be fixed, because it can't be.  The vast majority of ice hockey games have a winner and loser.  In every league and every division at every level of hockey there are blowouts, but I don't know of another locale that is so obsessed and preoccupied with trying to insure that the best teams never ever have to particpate in a game where they smoke another team that they are just far better than.  When it gets to be a situation where a top level team is winning almost all of their games easily it's clearly more complicated than pointing a finger at a team or 2 that made a bad decision, or worse yet is part of an organization that is motivated to place teams at certain levels to maintain their eligibility to have other teams at higher levels of competition across multiple age groups. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on October 30, 2017, 12:04:30 PM
How can you say AAA in Cali is "not really AAA"


Cali teams nationally rank in the top 20 on a regular basis


No doubt it's early but here are the current AAA rankings of Cali teams:


2005s. #8
2004s. #11
2003s. #9
2002s. #19


What is your measure of success?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 30, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
How can you say AAA in Cali is "not really AAA"


Cali teams nationally rank in the top 20 on a regular basis


No doubt it's early but here are the current AAA rankings of Cali teams:


2005s. #8
2004s. #11
2003s. #9
2002s. #19


What is your measure of success?
You guys are dumb !


Rankings don't mean shit !


Winning States/Nationals is the measuring stick.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on October 30, 2017, 12:43:37 PM
Dumb?


I'm impressed with the breadth of your vocabulary.


The point that was being made was based on competitiveness within their peer group.  Rankings are based on strength of schedule, goal differential and performance.  Seems like an objective unit of measure.  So yes it does mean something.


Winning State is one measure of success but it's like being the biggest fish in small bowl.  A more comprehensive measure is how you compete in a deeper and broader talent pool. 


Maybe the AP should stop with their Top 25 since it doesnt mean sh*t.  Only the national championship matters.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Quadruple A on October 30, 2017, 12:59:04 PM

I agree with MPC04... California may actually be more competitive at the AAA level as time goes on.  At the T1EL SJ Showcase a few weeks ago the scouts were coming from the east coast (looking for Prep School potential amongst the 03's, and the WHL / NAHL / USHL were there looking at the older ages).  The Prep School scouts were definitely interested in California because they specifically said to me they made active pitches to their organizations to allow them to make the trip.   


The funny thing is that no Cali team coach really wanted to talk to them because it would me losing a part of their team next year :)


This year however, the Bears could play up to AAA and the Gulls should be pushed down to AA. We will see if the Gulls situation is remedied next year.  Can't be fun to be the AAA 03 Gulls this year. 



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Shut Your 5-Hole on October 30, 2017, 01:57:00 PM
LMAO!!!! CA is not real AAA hockey  ;D   

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/idjut.gif

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 30, 2017, 02:31:10 PM
LMAO!!!! CA is not real AAA hockey  ;D   

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/idjut.gif (http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/idjut.gif)
Brace yourself, here come all the upset AAA parents.
My comment was from the mouth of a USHL scout that was in San Jose that weekend.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Shut Your 5-Hole on October 30, 2017, 02:52:47 PM
LMFAO!!! yeah sure ok, a USHL scout came to CA to scout CA kids and witnessed the 16AAA #2 ranked team in the nation play (Craig Johnson, Alex Kim) team and says this is not AAA hockey? hahaha..... YOU ARE FAKE NEWS!!!!  :'(

"Mariners have a kid that is as good as any player in the top tier as well as a very good goalie.... " stick to flight 2 Mr. Very good goalie LMFAO!!!!

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 30, 2017, 02:58:01 PM
Dumb?


I'm impressed with the breadth of your vocabulary.


The point that was being made was based on competitiveness within their peer group.  Rankings are based on strength of schedule, goal differential and performance.  Seems like an objective unit of measure.  So yes it does mean something.


Winning State is one measure of success but it's like being the biggest fish in small bowl.  A more comprehensive measure is how you compete in a deeper and broader talent pool. 


Maybe the AP should stop with their Top 25 since it doesnt mean sh*t.  Only the national championship matters.
Let my be more eloquent,
You guys are dumb ASSES.


Rankings in YOUTH hockey don't mean shit.  So in tier 2 California the AA JDs are the best in California ??


Maybe your compensating  ?? My sympathy to Mrs mcp  :'(


Last year, my boys team went out of their 'little " pond and beat out of state teams and won states.  At the end of the season, a few of those teams were still rank higher.


So if rankings make you feel good, so be it.


I'll enjoy looking at the championship plate in the trophy case.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on October 30, 2017, 03:08:47 PM
Then I guess that settles it.  If thats what the USHL guy said....


Wait a minute, did you say he was there scouting?   Now that makes sense.

It's [/size][size=78%] interesting to hear people try to diminish the quality of  that level.  It usually comes from those who are unable to play at that leel due to skill, means, commitment , etc.  however they bevyhe first bad mouth AA if they did.[/size]


I have yet to see a post from a AAA parent criticizing AA, but there sure is plenty the other way.  I am a AA parent.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on October 30, 2017, 03:23:12 PM
Not sure what happened with that post


It's interesting to hear people try to diminish the quality of  that level.  It usually comes from those who are unable to play at that level due to skill, means, commitment , etc.  however they are the first to bad mouth AAA.

My comment certainly doesn't apply to all.  There are many who do want the AAA politics.  They're usually not the "angry" ones.  They are the practical ones who enjoy the sport and what it provides. 

For the record,   I am a AA tier 1 parent who's son also won their respective state championship. 

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 30, 2017, 03:25:36 PM
Not sure what happened with that post


It's interesting to hear people try to diminish the quality of  that level.  It usually comes from those who are unable to play at that level due to skill, means, commitment , etc.  however they are the first to bad mouth AAA.

My comment certainly doesn't apply to all.  There are many who do want the AAA politics.  They're usually not the "angry" ones.  They are the practical ones who enjoy the sport and what it provides. 

For the record,   I am a AA tier 1 parent who's son also won their respective state championship. 
LOL
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on October 30, 2017, 03:39:55 PM
You can check the box that describes you.


My son tried out for a AAA team and didn't make it among many others.  He and most of those kids are playing AA Tier 1 now.the rest are Tier 2.   Last post on this topic.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on October 30, 2017, 04:30:52 PM
LMFAO!!! yeah sure ok, a USHL scout came to CA to scout CA kids and witnessed the 16AAA #2 ranked team in the nation play (Craig Johnson, Alex Kim) team and says this is not AAA hockey? hahaha..... YOU ARE FAKE NEWS!!!!  :'(

"Mariners have a kid that is as good as any player in the top tier as well as a very good goalie.... " stick to flight 2 Mr. Very good goalie LMFAO!!!!
Touched a nerve 😉 sorry about that
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Racetonowhere on October 30, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
Mr Hockey Rankings Don't Mean Sh*t-where are you getting your info about JDAA being top ranked team in California?
Last I checked Bears AA were ranked #1 in the country, JDAA ranked #52.
FAKE NEWS. Sad!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 30, 2017, 05:34:52 PM
Mr Hockey Rankings Don't Mean Sh*t-where are you getting your info about JDAA being top ranked team in California?
Last I checked Bears AA were ranked #1 in the country, JDAA ranked #52.
FAKE NEWS. Sad!
If you read my post again professor, you'd see I said #1 in Calif
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on October 30, 2017, 05:44:32 PM
Ducks 2 rank #1 in California as an 04 team, which they are not. I believe the only two true 04 teams are Wave 2 and Kings 2.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Racetonowhere on October 30, 2017, 06:00:49 PM
Mr. Hockey Rankings Don't Mean sh*t:
So you're saying 52 ranked JDAA are higher ranked than #1 ranked Bears? 
LMFAO
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 30, 2017, 06:40:05 PM
Mr. Hockey Rankings Don't Mean sh*t:
So you're saying 52 ranked JDAA are higher ranked than #1 ranked Bears? 
LMFAO

I didn't do the rankings Gilligan.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Racetonowhere on October 30, 2017, 06:50:46 PM
Which leads me back to my original question: What rankings are you talking about?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 30, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
JD2 is ranked #1 in Calif for 04 team's because they are the only team listed.  It's a tongue in cheek remark.. trying to say that rankings are a joke.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 31, 2017, 06:37:48 AM
JD2 is ranked #1 in Calif for 04 team's because they are the only team listed.  It's a tongue in cheek remark.. trying to say that rankings are a joke.
Way to go Teemu, hit it out of the park !!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on October 31, 2017, 09:27:13 AM
Hey... I'm just here to help... 😉
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 31, 2017, 11:08:58 AM
Hey... I'm just here to help... 😉

Seems we lost focus an how the Flight one OC team could tie a Flight 2 team?

Let's get back on topic.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on October 31, 2017, 11:33:08 AM
Hey... I'm just here to help... 😉

Seems we lost focus an how the Flight one OC team could tie a Flight 2 team?

Let's get back on topic.


i say the flight II team is juicing
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on October 31, 2017, 11:50:28 AM
Since they reversed the order of post season,  this is how a flight II team will complete with a Flight I team:  There are usually a small handful of teams that get better throughout the season  with AAA cuts, post september adds adds - or injuries healing up.  That option is gone now.



So if you have a hot weekend your first week as a team, you are in.     If you struggled for a three day stretch - you are out.


I kinda like the post season AFTER the regular season, where teams can play them selves into AND out of playoffs over the coarse of several months.


If CAHA simply limits clubs to 1 AA team per club per division with the prerequisite of needing an A team at that same division, you would have at most 9-10  teams from SOCAL at each Peewee and Bantam level.  (given which clubs have AA teams today). 


Then let them square off and be done with it.





Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 31, 2017, 12:08:37 PM
Just my opinion, but i wouldn't put much onto scaha game results.  Some teams understand that these games are meaningless except to egos (like rankings  :P )


Some coaches keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have.


I believe OC1 is a legit flight 1,  and I also believe they would beat most if not all flight 2 teams if game counted


Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on October 31, 2017, 12:55:10 PM
Hey... I'm just here to help... 😉

Seems we lost focus an how the Flight one OC team could tie a Flight 2 team?

Let's get back on topic.
you still going with the 2nd game of the day shouldn't matter?

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on October 31, 2017, 01:29:42 PM
Just my opinion, but i wouldn't put much onto scaha game results.  Some teams understand that these games are meaningless except to egos (like rankings  :P )


Some coaches keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have.


I believe OC1 is a legit flight 1,  and I also believe they would beat most if not all flight 2 teams if game counted


So you are saying OC could of pounded Simi but didn't really care so that's why it was a tie.

Yes that makes sense
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 31, 2017, 02:14:52 PM
Just my opinion, but i wouldn't put much onto scaha game results.  Some teams understand that these games are meaningless except to egos (like rankings  :P )


Some coaches keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have.


I believe OC1 is a legit flight 1,  and I also believe they would beat most if not all flight 2 teams if game counted


So you are saying OC could of pounded Simi but didn't really care so that's why it was a tie.

Yes that makes sense
Not affiliated with either team.  I just think that if it's a CAHA game OC approaches it differently.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on October 31, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
There are reasons why OC 1 tied the Mariners but I'm not going to "air dirty laundry" in a public forum such as this. That also doesn't mean that there is "dirty laundry" to air. It means that I don't think you'll get a juicy answer. However, I must give credit where it's due. Ventura played really well and capitalized on their power play, odd-man rushes and breakaway. Their goalie is small but he's positionally sound, tracks the puck well and battles through screens and scramble situations. If they play like that when it matters then I predict they will play the last place flight 1 team to get into playoffs. (I hate the term play downs)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on October 31, 2017, 02:23:40 PM
Tell us, how would they approach it differently? Does the coach tell the kids the game does not matter? Does he tell them to relax and just have a great time? Does he tell them it doesn't matter if a team assigned to Flight 2 does well against them? I am dying to know what it means to "approach it differently."
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on October 31, 2017, 02:53:07 PM
Tell us, how would they approach it differently? Does the coach tell the kids the game does not matter? Does he tell them to relax and just have a great time? Does he tell them it doesn't matter if a team assigned to Flight 2 does well against them? I am dying to know what it means to "approach it differently."

If you had read before pressing the "post" button, you would've seen that Trans explained that in meaningless SCAHA games some coaches might actually "keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have" instead of coaching to win.  For the same reason some coaches might schedule meaningless scrimmages on the same day as meaningless SCAHA games, which seems to have happened here.  And amazing as it may seem, some 13-14 year old kids don't put it all on the line for games that don't make a difference in the standings (kinda like NHL players that way).

Kudos to CAHA/SCAHA for giving us half a season of games that don't count -- it must be an ADM thing.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on October 31, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
Tell us, how would they approach it differently? Does the coach tell the kids the game does not matter? Does he tell them to relax and just have a great time? Does he tell them it doesn't matter if a team assigned to Flight 2 does well against them? I am dying to know what it means to "approach it differently."

If you had read before pressing the "post" button, you would've seen that Trans explained that in meaningless SCAHA games some coaches might actually "keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have" instead of coaching to win.  For the same reason some coaches might schedule meaningless scrimmages on the same day as meaningless SCAHA games, which seems to have happened here.  And amazing as it may seem, some 13-14 year old kids don't put it all on the line for games that don't make a difference in the standings (kinda like NHL players that way).

Kudos to CAHA/SCAHA for giving us half a season of games that don't count -- it must be an ADM thing.


It is a SCAHA thing as NorCal doesn't schedule games.  However individual clubs will schedule between them to try to stay sharp. This is only in tier divisions.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Defensive Zone on October 31, 2017, 04:03:21 PM
Strange that when a Flight 1 team blows out a Flight 2 team they are quick to post their victory and exclaim to the world how much better they are than the Flight 2 team, who clearly is so unskilled they do not deserve to play the CaHA designated (for no justifiable reason) superior Flight 1 team. Absolutely no mention of it being a meaningless scaha game. But as soon as a Flight 2 team ties a Flight 1 team then the excuses start flowing like water. Oh it’s a meaningless game; oh our coach was just rolling the lines, oh we had to play a game before and on and on.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on October 31, 2017, 04:51:06 PM
It is a bit discouraging. Seems like a waste of time, actually. If the other teams aren't going to be serious and put forth any real effort, why are we even playing the games? Perhaps it would be better to do it like the guys up north and let teams make their own schedules outside of the CAHA weekends. By doing this the teams could only schedule games with teams that do things the same way. Teams that want to mail it in could play like-minded teams. Those that want a real game can limit their ice time to teams that want to compete.

A couple weeks ago our team won a game against a flight 2 team. After the game the parents on the other side made sure we all knew the coach had benched their star player for the first two periods. "Obviously, our team would have won if he had played. It's just a meaningless SCAHA game so the coach decided to teach the kid a lesson," they explained.

The following week the opposing team simply cancelled. My kid had no game. Just a SCAHA game. No big deal.....

Next, it's off to Yorba Linda and we get all this. Team plays a scrimmage right before they play us. Others chime in an discredit our kids' efforts. Just a SCAHA game. Nobody cares. Coach approaches it differently.

That's OK, though. I bought my plane tickets, have my hotel booked in Vacaville and a rental car waiting for me in Sacramento. Our guys will finally play games that count. Of course, they will be against three other SoCal teams, but at least we'll have an excuse-free weekend. I hope

Awesome season. Just loving it. Super duper.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 31, 2017, 05:10:42 PM
It is a bit discouraging. Seems like a waste of time, actually. If the other teams aren't going to be serious and put forth any real effort, why are we even playing the games? Perhaps it would be better to do it like the guys up north and let teams make their own schedules outside of the CAHA weekends. By doing this the teams could only schedule games with teams that do things the same way. Teams that want to mail it in could play like-minded teams. Those that want a real game can limit their ice time to teams that want to compete.

A couple weeks ago our team won a game against a flight 2 team. After the game the parents on the other side made sure we all knew the coach had benched their star player for the first two periods. "Obviously, our team would have won if he had played. It's just a meaningless SCAHA game so the coach decided to teach the kid a lesson," they explained.

The following week the opposing team simply cancelled. My kid had no game. Just a SCAHA game. No big deal.....

Next, it's off to Yorba Linda and we get all this. Team plays a scrimmage right before they play us. Others chime in an discredit our kids' efforts. Just a SCAHA game. Nobody cares. Coach approaches it differently.

That's OK, though. I bought my plane tickets, have my hotel booked in Vacaville and a rental car waiting for me in Sacramento. Our guys will finally play games that count. Of course, they will be against three other SoCal teams, but at least we'll have an excuse-free weekend. I hope

Awesome season. Just loving it. Super duper.
Take it easy Ms. 4808088008800880,
everyone knows that your Mariner team is a good team.  In my opinion, your boy's team is the top team in flight 2.  I just think that OC1 is on the top half of flight 1 and would beat any of the flight 2 teams in a Caha weekend 9 out of 10 times.  Your club is going to have a tough time getting respect because you guys are on butt fuck Egypt, relax and enjoy your one and a half hour rides to each game.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on October 31, 2017, 05:11:59 PM
.....BTW, enjoying the posting getting up to par. :)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on October 31, 2017, 06:55:38 PM
Tell us, how would they approach it differently? Does the coach tell the kids the game does not matter? Does he tell them to relax and just have a great time? Does he tell them it doesn't matter if a team assigned to Flight 2 does well against them? I am dying to know what it means to "approach it differently."

If you had read before pressing the "post" button, you would've seen that Trans explained that in meaningless SCAHA games some coaches might actually "keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have" instead of coaching to win.  For the same reason some coaches might schedule meaningless scrimmages on the same day as meaningless SCAHA games, which seems to have happened here.  And amazing as it may seem, some 13-14 year old kids don't put it all on the line for games that don't make a difference in the standings (kinda like NHL players that way).

Kudos to CAHA/SCAHA for giving us half a season of games that don't count -- it must be an ADM thing.


It is a SCAHA thing as NorCal doesn't schedule games.  However individual clubs will schedule between them to try to stay sharp. This is only in tier divisions.

Sorry but it's within CAHA's control.  Last year every scheduled game counted.  This year half don't.  Maybe next year none of them will.  They'll tell us it's better for our kids' "development" if they don't worry about winning or losing (or whatever other bs is convenient for them next year).
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on October 31, 2017, 06:57:06 PM
Strange that when a Flight 1 team blows out a Flight 2 team they are quick to post their victory and exclaim to the world how much better they are than the Flight 2 team, who clearly is so unskilled they do not deserve to play the CaHA designated (for no justifiable reason) superior Flight 1 team. Absolutely no mention of it being a meaningless scaha game. But as soon as a Flight 2 team ties a Flight 1 team then the excuses start flowing like water. Oh it’s a meaningless game; oh our coach was just rolling the lines, oh we had to play a game before and on and on.

My kid isn't on a Flight 1 team.  I'm just trying to provide a little fact-based perspective, which I know is out of fashion nowadays.  Mariners are a really good team, possibly the best in Flight 2.  OC1 is better.  No shame in that.  The score at the end of what's essentially a "mandatory scrimmage" isn't the be all and end all.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on October 31, 2017, 10:57:33 PM
Your club is going to have a tough time getting respect because you guys are on butt fuck Egypt, relax and enjoy your one and a half hour rides to each game.

Oh, thank you for clarifying how a club gets respect. Got it.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 01, 2017, 07:37:29 AM
Mariners are a good team well coached.


I would hold off on crowning them Flight two champs just yet.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Teemu8 on November 01, 2017, 08:31:33 AM
Wow.... such hostility...


I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses..  blah blah blah


Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn)  game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie


Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game.  Good chance they win flight 2,  WW and flyers might have something to say about it.  Mariners played well and deserved that tie.  But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard. 


And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful,   it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on November 01, 2017, 09:05:13 AM
Wow.... such hostility...


I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses..  blah blah blah


Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn)  game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie


Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game.  Good chance they win flight 2,  WW and flyers might have something to say about it.  Mariners played well and deserved that tie.  But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard. 


And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful,   it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA


AMEN!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Miss My 48080 on November 01, 2017, 09:06:39 AM
Mariners are a good team well coached.


I would hold off on crowning them Flight two champs just yet.

Agreed. Valencia is very strong. One could make a strong argument in their favor. After all, they beat up on Ventura pretty bad last CAHA weejend.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 01, 2017, 09:48:24 AM
Wow.... such hostility...


I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses..  blah blah blah


Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn)  game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie


Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game.  Good chance they win flight 2,  WW and flyers might have something to say about it.  Mariners played well and deserved that tie.  But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard. 


And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful,   it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA

Maybe if you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.

Not to mention teams in San Jose had better records then some flight one teams and just were sent packing.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 01, 2017, 09:55:11 AM
Wow.... such hostility...


I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses..  blah blah blah


Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn)  game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie


Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game.  Good chance they win flight 2,  WW and flyers might have something to say about it.  Mariners played well and deserved that tie.  But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard. 


And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful,   it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA

Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
Come on PK
A team can still make it into playdownd as a flight 2.
If a team can't make it out of flight 2, what makes you think they. Would have done well in flight 2 ??
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 01, 2017, 10:04:37 AM
Wow.... such hostility...


I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses..  blah blah blah


Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn)  game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie


Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game.  Good chance they win flight 2,  WW and flyers might have something to say about it.  Mariners played well and deserved that tie.  But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard. 


And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful,   it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA

Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
Come on PK
A team can still make it into playdownd as a flight 2.
If a team can't make it out of flight 2, what makes you think they. Would have done well in flight 2 ??

That's not really my point.

 My point is I would rather be facing flight one teams in CAHA weekends vs playing a few teams that should be A. Insert names here _____________.

You get better facing stronger teams vs blowing some teams out or having the kids coast cause they can. 

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 01, 2017, 10:57:49 AM
Wow.... such hostility...


I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses..  blah blah blah


Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn)  game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie


Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game.  Good chance they win flight 2,  WW and flyers might have something to say about it.  Mariners played well and deserved that tie.  But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard. 


And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful,   it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA

Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
Come on PK
A team can still make it into playdownd as a flight 2.
If a team can't make it out of flight 2, what makes you think they. Would have done well in flight 2 ??

That's not really my point.

 My point is I would rather be facing flight one teams in CAHA weekends vs playing a few teams that should be A. Insert names here _____________.

You get better facing stronger teams vs blowing some teams out or having the kids coast cause they can.
That's where coaching comes into play.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 01, 2017, 11:17:49 AM
Wow.... such hostility...


I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses..  blah blah blah


Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn)  game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie


Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game.  Good chance they win flight 2,  WW and flyers might have something to say about it.  Mariners played well and deserved that tie.  But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard. 


And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful,   it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA

Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
Come on PK
A team can still make it into playdownd as a flight 2.
If a team can't make it out of flight 2, what makes you think they. Would have done well in flight 2 ??

That's not really my point.

 My point is I would rather be facing flight one teams in CAHA weekends vs playing a few teams that should be A. Insert names here _____________.

You get better facing stronger teams vs blowing some teams out or having the kids coast cause they can.
That's where coaching comes into play.

Are you having a hot cup of Trevor Tea now?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on November 01, 2017, 05:41:14 PM
It is a bit discouraging. Seems like a waste of time, actually. If the other teams aren't going to be serious and put forth any real effort, why are we even playing the games? Perhaps it would be better to do it like the guys up north and let teams make their own schedules outside of the CAHA weekends. By doing this the teams could only schedule games with teams that do things the same way. Teams that want to mail it in could play like-minded teams. Those that want a real game can limit their ice time to teams that want to compete.

A couple weeks ago our team won a game against a flight 2 team. After the game the parents on the other side made sure we all knew the coach had benched their star player for the first two periods. "Obviously, our team would have won if he had played. It's just a meaningless SCAHA game so the coach decided to teach the kid a lesson," they explained.

The following week the opposing team simply cancelled. My kid had no game. Just a SCAHA game. No big deal.....

Next, it's off to Yorba Linda and we get all this. Team plays a scrimmage right before they play us. Others chime in an discredit our kids' efforts. Just a SCAHA game. Nobody cares. Coach approaches it differently.

That's OK, though. I bought my plane tickets, have my hotel booked in Vacaville and a rental car waiting for me in Sacramento. Our guys will finally play games that count. Of course, they will be against three other SoCal teams, but at least we'll have an excuse-free weekend. I hope

Awesome season. Just loving it. Super duper.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on November 01, 2017, 05:42:11 PM
You'll have your turn to apply excuses soon enough.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on November 01, 2017, 07:12:46 PM
Well with Vacaville coming up it should be interesting to see how OC1 fairs against the other teams in flight 1. I am not affiliated with the mariners or OC but from watching OC up in San Jose and then in Valencia it was like watching two different teams. San Jose showed an OC team that was composed smart worked together with fresh lines in constant movement. In Valencia it was different!  I think the mariners have a few stellar kids but that doesn't make a team. I am curious how a few kids from Valencia managed to tie OC who is both large physically and in numbers. See you in Vacaville I will be slumming it in flight 2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 02, 2017, 09:05:10 AM
Wow.... such hostility...


I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses..  blah blah blah


Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn)  game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie


Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game.  Good chance they win flight 2,  WW and flyers might have something to say about it.  Mariners played well and deserved that tie.  But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard. 


And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful,   it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA

Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
Come on PK
A team can still make it into playdownd as a flight 2.
If a team can't make it out of flight 2, what makes you think they. Would have done well in flight 2 ??

That's not really my point.

 My point is I would rather be facing flight one teams in CAHA weekends vs playing a few teams that should be A. Insert names here _____________.

You get better facing stronger teams vs blowing some teams out or having the kids coast cause they can.
That's where coaching comes into play.

Are you having a hot cup of Trevor Tea now?
Call 'em like I see 'em
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 02, 2017, 09:59:56 AM
Ms 4808088808


2 games this weekend.


Hope your boys hold up better than OC1



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 02, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
I think what overlooked on the mariners is their D.


Solid



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 02, 2017, 10:53:16 AM
I think what overlooked on the mariners is their D.


Solid

Are you talking to yourself? High from your Trevor Tea.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on November 02, 2017, 12:15:36 PM
I think what overlooked on the mariners is their D.

Solid
They are big and play physical, but sometimes to their detriment.  Several times I've seen them chasing down a breakaway only to end up creating a dog pile on their own goalie.  Their goalie can be a game changer for them but he seems to have a rather short fuse, and once he reaches a point he loses his s--t.  When that happens the pucks have an easier time finding the net.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 02, 2017, 12:34:46 PM
I think what overlooked on the mariners is their D.

Solid
They are big and play physical, but sometimes to their detriment.  Several times I've seen them chasing down a breakaway only to end up creating a dog pile on their own goalie.  Their goalie can be a game changer for them but he seems to have a rather short fuse, and once he reaches a point he loses his s--t.  When that happens the pucks have an easier time finding the net.

I heard their goalie had a huge growth spurt too. Some OC parent said he is 6-2 now.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Shut Your 5-Hole on November 02, 2017, 12:42:18 PM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough. Trans, Do you think u misunderstood what the OC parent said and got those 2 #'s backwards?  :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on November 02, 2017, 12:59:55 PM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough.
Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on November 03, 2017, 02:26:27 PM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough.
Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea.  Fantastic.  How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last month).
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 03, 2017, 04:09:15 PM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough.
Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea.  Fantastic.  How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).
Hold off there Sonny,
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua.   The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 03, 2017, 04:35:31 PM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough.
Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea.  Fantastic.  How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last month).

How did that work out for the Wave goalie?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 03, 2017, 08:06:25 PM
This weeks picks


Mariners                        vs                 Saints          Saints by 1


Jr Reign                                             Saints           Saints by 7


Jr Flyers                         vs                 Da Bears       DB by 9


Wave 1                           vs                Jr Ducks 2     Wave 2 by 5


OC1                                                   Lady Ducks    OC1 by 6


WW                                vs                JK1              JK1 by 1


Jr Ducks 1                                          Empire          JDs by 1


Bicks                               vs               Mariners       Mariners by 5


Good luck everyone !!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 03, 2017, 08:59:15 PM
This weeks picks


Mariners                        vs                 Saints          Saints by 1


Jr Reign                                             Saints           Saints by 7


Jr Flyers                         vs                 Da Bears       DB by 9


Wave 1                           vs                Jr Ducks 2     Wave 2 by 5


OC1                                                   Lady Ducks    OC1 by 6


WW                                vs                JK1              JK1 by 1


Jr Ducks 1                                          Empire          JDs by 1


Bicks                               vs               Mariners       Mariners by 5


Good luck everyone !!




Valencia won't lost to Bears no freakin way.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rainman on November 04, 2017, 06:09:50 AM
The A team isn’t that bad, u never know.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 04, 2017, 07:12:09 AM
This weeks picks


Mariners                        vs                 Saints          Saints by 1


Jr Reign                                             Saints           Saints by 7


Jr Flyers                         vs                 Da Bears       DB by 9

 If
Wave 1                           vs                Jr Ducks 2     Wave 2 by 5


OC1                                                   Lady Ducks    OC1 by 6


WW                                vs                JK1              JK1 by 1


Jr Ducks 1                                          Empire          JDs by 1


Bicks                               vs               Mariners       Mariners by 5


Good luck everyone !!




Valencia won't lost to Bears no freakin way.
Unless one of you is going to a tournament .
Bet the house.
It's not that the JF are that bad. It's that the Bears are that good.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Defensive Zone on November 04, 2017, 08:27:56 AM
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rats13 on November 04, 2017, 08:38:57 AM
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?


Fun?  :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on November 04, 2017, 11:18:00 AM
Sounds like someone missed the daily Midol this morning
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 04, 2017, 08:53:53 PM
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?
Mytime is not that valuable.  :-[
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 04, 2017, 10:11:41 PM
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?


We care!


 I was hoping you would bring a bit more to the table with your second post.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Defensive Zone on November 05, 2017, 08:38:27 AM
For those who couldn’t decipher that I was being facetious, I was merely pointing out that these games do matter and that we do care about who wins and looses and that is why we all look forward to the weekly picks. The only time everyone suggests that the games don’t matter is when their clearly favored team looses or ties. Then it’s a series of non-stop posts exclaiming that their coach was just rolling the lines in a meaningless game where all their effort was spent in an earlier scrimmage against a AAA team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on November 05, 2017, 09:56:59 PM
Everyone must be scared to post their results today.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on November 06, 2017, 07:33:56 AM
Empire tied JD 5-5.  Lost to JD 5-3 in Saturday scrimmage.  Will be interesting to see what happens in the game-that-counts this Friday.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on November 06, 2017, 07:37:01 AM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough.
Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea.  Fantastic.  How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).
Hold off there Sonny,
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua.   The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Hahaha!!  I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids.  Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on November 06, 2017, 07:39:12 AM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough.
Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea.  Fantastic.  How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).
Hold off there Sonny,
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua.   The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Hahaha!!  I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids.  Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.
Nope, we're all just a bunch of dumbassessessesses...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 06, 2017, 08:59:06 AM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough.
Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea.  Fantastic.  How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).
Hold off there Sonny,
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua.   The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Hahaha!!  I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids.  Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.
Nope, we're all just a bunch of dumbassessessesses...
Some more than others
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 06, 2017, 09:26:11 AM
Bears vs Flyers 0-0 very close.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 06, 2017, 09:42:12 AM
SEE ABOVE
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on November 06, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough.
Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea.  Fantastic.  How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).
Hold off there Sonny,
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua.   The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Hahaha!!  I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids.  Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.
Nope, we're all just a bunch of dumbassessessesses...
Some more than others
Fellow Dumbasses:  My point was that you might strike it rich if you, intentionally or otherwise, start pressing buttons (targeting short-fused players to lose their s*** is nothing new).  Or it might blow up in your face with something unforeseen, like an ineligible player.  That game was a clusterf***.  No winners, only losers.  Making us all DA's.  But I must give the goon team some credit - they do have some talent and if they just played the game they could be as good as several of the Flight 2 teams.
Sidebar: The only one of us with half a brain is trans, who figured out the Godfather reference.  Bonus prize forthcoming.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 06, 2017, 12:29:47 PM
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ?  wow! seems easy enough.
Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea.  Fantastic.  How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).
Hold off there Sonny,
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua.   The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Hahaha!!  I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids.  Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.
Nope, we're all just a bunch of dumbassessessesses...
Some more than others
Fellow Dumbasses:  My point was that you might strike it rich if you, intentionally or otherwise, start pressing buttons (targeting short-fused players to lose their s*** is nothing new).  Or it might blow up in your face with something unforeseen, like an ineligible player.  That game was a clusterf***.  No winners, only losers.  Making us all DA's.  But I must give the goon team some credit - they do have some talent and if they just played the game they could be as good as several of the Flight 2 teams.
Sidebar: The only one of us with half a brain is trans, who figured out the Godfather reference.  Bonus prize forthcoming.
......keep telling my wife that....shes mot buying.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 09, 2017, 09:43:47 AM
THIS WEEK' CAHA WEEKEND PICKS


JD2.                        VS.                    WW.                WW BY 4


OC2.                        VS.                   JR FLYERS.    JF BY 2


SAINTS.                  VS.                   JK2.                SAINTS BY 5


MARINERS.            VS.                    OC2.              OC2 BY 1 (UPSET OF THE WEEKEND)


WW.                          VS.                   JK2.               WW BY 3


JR FLYERS.             VS.                   JR REIGN.     JF BY 5


SAINTS.                  VS.                   JD2.                SAINTS BY 7


JK2.                         VS.                  JR REIGN.     BENNY'S EITH 1ST WIN


OC2.                        VS.                  JD2.                OC2 BY 3


JR FLYERS.            VS.                  SAINTS.          SAINTS BY 1


WW.                        VS.                  MARINERS.    WW BY 2


JD2.                       VS.                   JR REIGN.      JR BY 2


JR FLYERS.          VS.                   WW.                GAME FOR 1ST PLACE WW BY 3


OC2.                     VS.                   JK2.                OC2 BY 2


Now
Don't come at me saying I'm full of shit.  I know I am, hear it every day.


GOOD LUCK EVERYONE !!
 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 09, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
THIS WEEK' CAHA WEEKEND PICKS


JD2.                        VS.                    WW.                WW BY 4


OC2.                        VS.                   JR FLYERS.    JF BY 2


SAINTS.                  VS.                   JK2.                SAINTS BY 5


MARINERS.            VS.                    OC2.              OC2 BY 1 (UPSET OF THE WEEKEND)


WW.                          VS.                   JK2.               WW BY 3


JR FLYERS.             VS.                   JR REIGN.     JF BY 5


SAINTS.                  VS.                   JD2.                SAINTS BY 7


JK2.                         VS.                  JR REIGN.     BENNY'S EITH 1ST WIN


OC2.                        VS.                  JD2.                OC2 BY 3


JR FLYERS.            VS.                  SAINTS.          SAINTS BY 1


WW.                        VS.                  MARINERS.    WW BY 2


JD2.                       VS.                   JR REIGN.      JR BY 2


JR FLYERS.          VS.                   WW.                GAME FOR 1ST PLACE


OC2.                     VS.                   JK2.                OC2 BY 2


Now
Don't come at me saying I'm full of shit.  I know I am, hear it every day.


GOOD LUCK EVERYONE !!
 

A you're full of Shit!  ;D No way Mariners lose to OC.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on November 09, 2017, 12:26:56 PM
A you're full of Shit!  ;D No way Mariners lose to OC.
Unless they roster an ineligible player... :o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on November 09, 2017, 12:45:44 PM
tranny needs to get his head out of his ass...so full of shit!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on November 09, 2017, 12:54:52 PM
I think he's getting the desired response.  Thanks for shaking up the thread Trans!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on November 09, 2017, 12:57:31 PM
I think the OC(2) will be lucky with getting at least one win this weekend and I don't think that will happen. I think they wil 0-3-1L
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 09, 2017, 01:00:52 PM
tranny needs to get his head out of his ass...so full of shit!

 ;D ;D ;D LMAO
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 09, 2017, 01:12:45 PM
Not the first or last time I was wrong.


GO BICKS GO  !!!


GO KILL 'EM !!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Zam Dad on November 09, 2017, 03:06:47 PM
Hey Tranny, where are the flight 1 lines you slacker!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on November 09, 2017, 08:41:09 PM
Bring sharp skates!   And don't forget to Boycott the skate and snack shops in Vacaville.  Send them da message.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 10, 2017, 07:15:27 AM
Bring sharp skates!   And don't forget to Boycott the skate and snack shops in Vacaville.  Send them da message.




This^^^^^^^


Yes!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: LAhockey on November 10, 2017, 02:29:53 PM
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?
Mytime is not that valuable.  :-[


Tranny is an honest man
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Bear71 on November 10, 2017, 03:21:05 PM
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?
Mytime is not that valuable.  :-[


Tranny is an honest man


An oxymoron if I ever saw one...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on November 11, 2017, 05:16:11 PM
Caught a few games so far this weekend. Bears as sharp as ever and buried OC in the third it seems that's when they really come alive. They are fast smart and they are playing like a cohesive team (not surprised).  It's aparent that OC is not the same team from San Jose jamboree  and that's becoming more aparent with every caha and "it doesn't matter scaha game". They seem to have very little coaching and adopt a dump and chase ideology and depend on a few boys which isn't working. I'm surprised that empire hasn't put up a w yet this weekend but they are middle of the pack--I still think they could come alive as the season goes on. They have size and seem to have some game sense and coaching. GSE 2 looks big fast and smart with strong coaching behind their bench. Enjoying lovely Vacaville for one more day
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on November 12, 2017, 08:56:28 AM
Caught a few games so far this weekend. Bears as sharp as ever and buried OC in the third it seems that's when they really come alive. They are fast smart and they are playing like a cohesive team (not surprised).  It's aparent that OC is not the same team from San Jose jamboree  and that's becoming more aparent with every caha and "it doesn't matter scaha game". They seem to have very little coaching and adopt a dump and chase ideology and depend on a few boys which isn't working. I'm surprised that empire hasn't put up a w yet this weekend but they are middle of the pack--I still think they could come alive as the season goes on. They have size and seem to have some game sense and coaching. GSE 2 looks big fast and smart with strong coaching behind their bench. Enjoying lovely Vacaville for one more day
Every one of your post is bashing OC1 🤣
Yes they’re struggling... yes the bears and gse2 are dominant teams. The rest of the top flight is a coin flip. Each team plays twice. Lots of hockey to play.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on November 12, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
Caught a few games so far this weekend. Bears as sharp as ever and buried OC in the third it seems that's when they really come alive. They are fast smart and they are playing like a cohesive team (not surprised).  It's aparent that OC is not the same team from San Jose jamboree  and that's becoming more aparent with every caha and "it doesn't matter scaha game". They seem to have very little coaching and adopt a dump and chase ideology and depend on a few boys which isn't working. I'm surprised that empire hasn't put up a w yet this weekend but they are middle of the pack--I still think they could come alive as the season goes on. They have size and seem to have some game sense and coaching. GSE 2 looks big fast and smart with strong coaching behind their bench. Enjoying lovely Vacaville for one more day
Every one of your post is bashing OC1 🤣
Yes they’re struggling... yes the bears and gse2 are dominant teams. The rest of the top flight is a coin flip. Each team plays twice. Lots of hockey to play.


Orangecone I just think you guys have talent that is aparent, you have a big bench, and pretty big kids. I would like to see you guys put up a fight-- not bashing just observing. OC had a great showing In San Jose if you don't mind me asking from an insiders perspecive what's going on? Would love to watch you guys come back second half of this season and put up some wins.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on November 12, 2017, 03:06:14 PM
2 surprises for me this weekend: OC1 going 0-4 and JK1 going 4-0. Agree with Freezing, I too believe that OC is better than their record shows. JK1 definitely proving they belong on Flight 1. They've been steadily improving each week. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out in Riverside next month.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: PutYourFootOnTheGas on November 12, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
Wow, Bears are rolling. 14-0, 7-0, 7-0, 4-0. Needless to say they are HEAVILY out shooting their opponents too.


It's a shame they can't just play in the 14AAA division as those teams are obviously their speed (well, not the Gulls). Looks like they've beaten the Gulls and Ducks early in the year and recently have been beaten by and tied the Sharks. Kings are still the class of the division but Ducks have beaten them and they have had a couple of 1 goal victories over the Sharks. Bears would fit nicely there.


No sugar coating........it's clear the difference in level of play between AAA and AA. They have to travel more and much harder to find good games on the west coast but who the hell would wants to play games where you out score your opponents 32-0 over a CAHA weekend. Oh well.



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on November 12, 2017, 03:52:43 PM
And they do all that with class. Way to go, Bears!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 12, 2017, 04:32:50 PM
It is a bit discouraging. Seems like a waste of time, actually. If the other teams aren't going to be serious and put forth any real effort, why are we even playing the games? Perhaps it would be better to do it like the guys up north and let teams make their own schedules outside of the CAHA weekends. By doing this the teams could only schedule games with teams that do things the same way. Teams that want to mail it in could play like-minded teams. Those that want a real game can limit their ice time to teams that want to compete.

A couple weeks ago our team won a game against a flight 2 team. After the game the parents on the other side made sure we all knew the coach had benched their star player for the first two periods. "Obviously, our team would have won if he had played. It's just a meaningless SCAHA game so the coach decided to teach the kid a lesson," they explained.

The following week the opposing team simply cancelled. My kid had no game. Just a SCAHA game. No big deal.....

Next, it's off to Yorba Linda and we get all this. Team plays a scrimmage right before they play us. Others chime in an discredit our kids' efforts. Just a SCAHA game. Nobody cares. Coach approaches it differently.

That's OK, though. I bought my plane tickets, have my hotel booked in Vacaville and a rental car waiting for me in Sacramento. Our guys will finally play games that count. Of course, they will be against three other SoCal teams, but at least we'll have an excuse-free weekend. I hope

Awesome season. Just loving it. Super duper.
I guess over the week end you realized that when games matter, outcome sometimes turn out a little different.
🤗
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on November 12, 2017, 04:59:22 PM
Caught a few games so far this weekend. Bears as sharp as ever and buried OC in the third it seems that's when they really come alive. They are fast smart and they are playing like a cohesive team (not surprised).  It's aparent that OC is not the same team from San Jose jamboree  and that's becoming more aparent with every caha and "it doesn't matter scaha game". They seem to have very little coaching and adopt a dump and chase ideology and depend on a few boys which isn't working. I'm surprised that empire hasn't put up a w yet this weekend but they are middle of the pack--I still think they could come alive as the season goes on. They have size and seem to have some game sense and coaching. GSE 2 looks big fast and smart with strong coaching behind their bench. Enjoying lovely Vacaville for one more day
Every one of your post is bashing OC1 🤣
Yes they’re struggling... yes the bears and gse2 are dominant teams. The rest of the top flight is a coin flip. Each team plays twice. Lots of hockey to play.


Orangecone I just think you guys have talent that is aparent, you have a big bench, and pretty big kids. I would like to see you guys put up a fight-- not bashing just observing. OC had a great showing In San Jose if you don't mind me asking from an insiders perspecive what's going on? Would love to watch you guys come back second half of this season and put up some wins.
Thanks for clarifying.
Where we are now is definitely unexpected for the most part. The Bears and GSE2 are 2 VERY good hockey teams that will go head to head in the end. Theres no weak spot on either team and both would do very well in any AAA division. San Jose weekend was great for us and actually not much has changed since. We are a very big physical club that likes to hit. To answer your question as to whats going on with OC1, the answer is easy. Undisciplined hockey. Most goals scored against us are when we are a man down. We're going to take a few penalties
 a game... it's our style of play. But when we take more than 3 its usually an issue. We had the lead weekend 1 against the wave and were undisciplined coming down the stretch as well as the game against the sharks. 2 blown leads = a quiet ride home .... that was not fun. We've also been a bit undisciplined [size=78%]in the passing (lack of) and trying to do too much dept (toe dragging through 3 guys ). We definitely had the toughest teams for the first two CAHA weekends... All we can do is look forward to the upcoming 2 CAHA weekends. When you lose, it forces you to dig deep and look at weaknesses[/size]
i believe that we will turn this around. We have a great team of kids that truly enjoy the game and each other. The upper division is exactly how the game should be. super competitive
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Bystander on November 12, 2017, 05:45:55 PM
Does anyone know what happened between JK2 and Jr. Reign yesterday? It was originally posted as a 3-3 tie, now it says 1-0 win for JK2.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 12, 2017, 06:25:07 PM
Does anyone know what happened between JK2 and Jr. Reign yesterday? It was originally posted as a 3-3 tie, now it says 1-0 win for JK2.
Benny's played with a suspended player resulting in a forfeit
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on November 13, 2017, 09:32:20 AM
How did the Flight 1 Mariners do playing in Flight 2 this weekend?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on November 13, 2017, 10:48:51 AM
THEY WENT 1-1-1
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on November 13, 2017, 12:03:48 PM
THEY WENT 1-1-1


Who did they play?


What’s the consensus from this past weekends games? Anyone?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on November 13, 2017, 12:26:09 PM


Vs OC win 6-0
Vs wave loss 5-3
Vs saints 2-2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 13, 2017, 12:41:57 PM
THEY WENT 1-1-1


Who did they play?


What’s the consensus from this past weekends games? Anyone?
The game vs WW was really not that close.   WW contained #88 pretty much all game.  REALLY good player. Even though he was hounded by WW the whole game, kid kept his composure and continued to play hard.  One of the top players WW has faced, and seems to be a great kid. It' refreshing to see. Mariners #14 did all he coukd to keep game within reach.  Also really good player.
Kudos to those boys and MOST of their team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on November 13, 2017, 01:02:27 PM

What’s the consensus from this past weekends games? Anyone?

Didn't watch every single Flight 2 game, but did catch a few...

OCHC2 - Typical of Bickley's teams, catching on and improving in the middle of the season and when they're on, very capable of upsetting just about anyone in Flight 2...

Ducks2 - Needs scoring help. A few big bodies on D and their bigger goalie can really give teams trouble.

Kings2 - Needs scoring help. Have lots of skaters and will make your team skate. Goalie is solid but often time gets overwhelmed by D allowing too many shots.

Saints - Continues to play their solid game. Well coached, very balanced from top to bottom, very little drop off in talent. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.

Mariners - Takes the right players, right game plan and kids buying into the game plan to beat them. Have 2 of the more talented kids in BantamAA but having only 1 goalie may be a problem down the line. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.

Wave2 - Not firing on all cylinders yet but had a pretty good weekend. When they're on, capable of beating anyone in Flight 2 and perhaps a team or two in Flight 1. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.

Flyers - Out of all Flight 2 teams, I have seen Flyers the least so not too much I can say about them, except they have a few big kids, one very very big kid, and perhaps a bit inconsistent as evidence by all their ties. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.

Reign - Have 1 or 2 solid Bantam AA players, but not a Bantam AA team. Would've been a great Bantam A team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on November 13, 2017, 01:35:39 PM
In other news...what the hell is up with the ice in Vacaville?  One of the coldest barns in California, rivaling KHS rink B, yet some of the softest ice I've seen.  Anybody else get tired of all the "net's off" BS that went on all weekend?  Maybe they ought to redirect the cold air turning spectators into human popsicles onto the other side of the glass.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 13, 2017, 02:04:08 PM
In other news...what the hell is up with the ice in Vacaville?  One of the coldest barns in California, rivaling KHS rink B, yet some of the softest ice I've seen.  Anybody else get tired of all the "net's off" BS that went on all weekend?  Maybe they ought to redirect the cold air turning spectators into human popsicles onto the other side of the glass.

100% spot on. WTH was up with the goal posts getting knocked off 10 times a game. We needed medical help and the rink had no one onsite. It took 20 min for EMT to finally arrive.

Hey Craperville rink! Maybe you should be prepared for an incident when you agree to host a weekend.   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on November 13, 2017, 04:05:58 PM
Not sure of any medical help on site... But The pro shop sure was looking good... Maybe they need more sales to have emergency personnel on site... Post those concerns to Laura...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on November 13, 2017, 04:13:53 PM

What’s the consensus from this past weekends games? Anyone?

Didn't watch every single Flight 2 game, but did catch a few...

OCHC2 - Typical of Bickley's teams, catching on and improving in the middle of the season and when they're on, very capable of upsetting just about anyone in Flight 2...

Ducks2 - Needs scoring help. A few big bodies on D and their bigger goalie can really give teams trouble.

Kings2 - Needs scoring help. Have lots of skaters and will make your team skate. Goalie is solid but often time gets overwhelmed by D allowing too many shots.

Saints - Continues to play their solid game. Well coached, very balanced from top to bottom, very little drop off in talent. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.

Mariners - Takes the right players, right game plan and kids buying into the game plan to beat them. Have 2 of the more talented kids in BantamAA but having only 1 goalie may be a problem down the line. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.

Wave2 - Not firing on all cylinders yet but had a pretty good weekend. When they're on, capable of beating anyone in Flight 2 and perhaps a team or two in Flight 1. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.

Flyers - Out of all Flight 2 teams, I have seen Flyers the least so not too much I can say about them, except they have a few big kids, one very very big kid, and perhaps a bit inconsistent as evidence by all their ties. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.

Reign - Have 1 or 2 solid Bantam AA players, but not a Bantam AA team. Would've been a great Bantam A team.




Couldn't help thinking you were actually judging wine while reading this.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on November 13, 2017, 10:47:12 PM
Just want to give props to #88 on the Mariners. Kid sent me a message on Instagram giving our team props for locking him down... Mad respect kid. To the parents of #88, you guys have raised a fine young man. We look forward to the next time we meet. #itsonlikedonkeykong
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on November 14, 2017, 08:16:21 AM
I think you meant to say that he saluted your crisp full bodied but a bit off dry attack to answer his jammy essence, and that left your wanting more......
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 14, 2017, 08:20:28 AM
Just want to give props to #88 on the Mariners. Kid sent me a message on Instagram giving our team props for locking him down... Mad respect kid. To the parents of #88, you guys have raised a fine young man. We look forward to the next time we meet. #itsonlikedonkeykong

What a classy kid he is. Parents are clearly doing it right.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on November 14, 2017, 08:42:49 AM
any one know the score of the OC2 vs JK2 game? that score hasn't been posted
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on November 14, 2017, 08:58:33 AM
It is really refreshing to see positive comments about players, rather than the venom some people like to put out there.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on November 14, 2017, 09:01:51 AM
It is really refreshing to see positive comments about players, rather than the venom some people like to put out there.


Here we go...


From Rubber Mag...

About six years ago, as a first-time hockey parent of a Mite house player, I recall asking a couple of the veteran travel parents if they had any recommendations for information about different hockey clubs and the tryout process.
One parent was vocal about the wealth of resources you could find on the hockey message boards. The other parent was equally as vocal and stated in no uncertain terms that I should avoid those sites like the gaps in the mats at hockey rinks. I found myself fascinated by these differing opinions and began to scour the internet to learn more about hockey message boards.


These message boards are mostly populated by “adults” who have little or no understanding of the impact of their conversations on their children. These boards contain page after page of adults disparaging children and their performance in hockey. Visit the first-year Mite message board and clearly see the most upsetting comments imaginable regarding the athletic prowess of a child who probably learned to ride a bike less than two years before. I cannot even begin to describe the level of hate often expressed toward certain coaches whom parents will openly accuse of things that range from tax evasion to bribery.
Yet to their face, they say nothing.


Behind the guise of anonymity, parents attack other parents, clubs and governing bodies and it’s not uncommon for these adults to spend time arguing over the over/under scores of children’s hockey games every weekend. Further, parents will actively refer in vague terms to players or families whom they feel are not worthy to play with their children or whom they feel will never perform at the level that they (referring to the collective message board community) believe they should reach.


This was most beautifully illustrated by the torrent of messages regarding the California Amateur Hockey Association board decision to implement an evaluation protocol to help determine placement of teams for safety purposes. If one agrees or disagrees with the implementation of this policy is an individual’s choice, but the message boards erupted with such vitriol and angst equal to hot lava being poured upon the Stanley Cup.


Furthermore, almost every individual on the board went to great lengths to discuss the appropriateness of ranking one team or another in a division and the heresy of certain teams being included or not included.
It is crystal clear that the manner in which these adults are sharing their thoughts DOES impact the manner in which their children integrate the game and their attitude toward other players and clubs. Hockey as a sport is clearly one that brings people together and provides children with a long term, incredibly healthy after-school activity, which promotes friendship, discipline, and positive habits. What can easily erode the positive impact of hockey, however, is the negative filters and unresolved maladaptive manipulations of the parent, which is seen most clearly in the messages posted upon these boards.


Some parents have asked for my suggestions regarding the messages posted on the boards (because regardless of disclaimers, the children ARE reading these boards and hearing other adults speak negatively about them). What I tell them is to inform their players and children that there will always be people who are negative and there will always be people who search for an anonymous forum to display their unresolved mental health issues. And, most importantly, to consider what it felt like to hear or read something negative about their club or team and hold that memory for the next time they consider making a rude or inappropriate comment on social media. It might be too late to help the “adults” on these message boards integrate a different mindset, but there is a chance for the players of today to become the responsible and positive hockey parents of tomorrow.


Trevor Small, Psy.D., is a clinical psychologist who is the Safe Sport coordinator for the Los Angeles Jr. Kings, the clinical director of Bridges to Recovery, and is in private practice in Santa Monica. He has provided mental health services to adolescents and adults for almost 30 years.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 14, 2017, 09:17:50 AM
It is really refreshing to see positive comments about players, rather than the venom some people like to put out there.


Here we go...


From Rubner Mag...

About six years ago, as a first-time hockey parent of a Mite house player, I recall asking a couple of the veteran travel parents if they had any recommendations for information about different hockey clubs and the tryout process.
One parent was vocal about the wealth of resources you could find on the hockey message boards. The other parent was equally as vocal and stated in no uncertain terms that I should avoid those sites like the gaps in the mats at hockey rinks. I found myself fascinated by these differing opinions and began to scour the internet to learn more about hockey message boards.


These message boards are mostly populated by “adults” who have little or no understanding of the impact of their conversations on their children. These boards contain page after page of adults disparaging children and their performance in hockey. Visit the first-year Mite message board and clearly see the most upsetting comments imaginable regarding the athletic prowess of a child who probably learned to ride a bike less than two years before. I cannot even begin to describe the level of hate often expressed toward certain coaches whom parents will openly accuse of things that range from tax evasion to bribery.
Yet to their face, they say nothing.


Behind the guise of anonymity, parents attack other parents, clubs and governing bodies and it’s not uncommon for these adults to spend time arguing over the over/under scores of children’s hockey games every weekend. Further, parents will actively refer in vague terms to players or families whom they feel are not worthy to play with their children or whom they feel will never perform at the level that they (referring to the collective message board community) believe they should reach.


This was most beautifully illustrated by the torrent of messages regarding the California Amateur Hockey Association board decision to implement an evaluation protocol to help determine placement of teams for safety purposes. If one agrees or disagrees with the implementation of this policy is an individual’s choice, but the message boards erupted with such vitriol and angst equal to hot lava being poured upon the Stanley Cup.


Furthermore, almost every individual on the board went to great lengths to discuss the appropriateness of ranking one team or another in a division and the heresy of certain teams being included or not included.
It is crystal clear that the manner in which these adults are sharing their thoughts DOES impact the manner in which their children integrate the game and their attitude toward other players and clubs. Hockey as a sport is clearly one that brings people together and provides children with a long term, incredibly healthy after-school activity, which promotes friendship, discipline, and positive habits. What can easily erode the positive impact of hockey, however, is the negative filters and unresolved maladaptive manipulations of the parent, which is seen most clearly in the messages posted upon these boards.


Some parents have asked for my suggestions regarding the messages posted on the boards (because regardless of disclaimers, the children ARE reading these boards and hearing other adults speak negatively about them). What I tell them is to inform their players and children that there will always be people who are negative and there will always be people who search for an anonymous forum to display their unresolved mental health issues. And, most importantly, to consider what it felt like to hear or read something negative about their club or team and hold that memory for the next time they consider making a rude or inappropriate comment on social media. It might be too late to help the “adults” on these message boards integrate a different mindset, but there is a chance for the players of today to become the responsible and positive hockey parents of tomorrow.


Trevor Small, Psy.D., is a clinical psychologist who is the Safe Sport coordinator for the Los Angeles Jr. Kings, the clinical director of Bridges to Recovery, and is in private practice in Santa Monica. He has provided mental health services to adolescents and adults for almost 30 years.

Ah SHIT !!


JMO....


     A) Your kid should not be on CH.  It's not our fault that you can't control your kid.  Probably of the same thinking that subscribe to the notion that guns kill people..
     B) This is a place where We, mostly of adult mentality, engage in high school style antics,  mixed in with opinions of a sport we and our kids love.
     C) it is all in fun. Most of us don' take it Too serious.
     D) If your a pussy and can't take the ribbing (for your enjoyment)....don't log on....end of problem.


JMHO
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on November 14, 2017, 11:35:42 AM
Gotta agree with Trans, that article does not even begin to cover all of the different subjects discussed here, but rather focuses solely on the negative aspects. The fact that it was written by a large club representative is certainly no surprise. I guess the site needs to have more visual disclaimers, much like a pack of cigarettes stating they may cause cancer, in an effort to protect people's feelings.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: 6607 on November 14, 2017, 11:47:09 AM
I hear more hurtful things said by parents, coaches and officials at most games than I read here. Btw, not having read the article, is it suggesting that the flighting system was implemented for the protection of the players?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 14, 2017, 12:51:37 PM
Gotta agree with Trans, that article does not even begin to cover all of the different subjects discussed here, but rather focuses solely on the negative aspects. The fact that it was written by a large club representative is certainly no surprise. I guess the site needs to have more visual disclaimers, much like a pack of cigarettes stating they may cause cancer, in an effort to protect people's feelings.

Not to mention the Guy who wrote this has a kid on a A team that is playing in AA.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on November 14, 2017, 01:02:56 PM
Gotta agree with Trans, that article does not even begin to cover all of the different subjects discussed here, but rather focuses solely on the negative aspects. The fact that it was written by a large club representative is certainly no surprise. I guess the site needs to have more visual disclaimers, much like a pack of cigarettes stating they may cause cancer, in an effort to protect people's feelings.

Not to mention the Guy who wrote this has a kid on a A team that is playing in AA.
LMFAO!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on November 14, 2017, 01:32:04 PM
Hahahahahahaahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on November 14, 2017, 01:56:24 PM
So player safety is why the flight system was created!  And all you bozos thought it was so clubs could charge "AA" prices for "A" hockey. 

Player safety must also why the Flight 2 teams all had to travel from SoCal to NorCal just to play each other.  Nothing to do with anybody making $$$ off it.  What could be safer than 300 kids hanging out by the state penitentiary for a weekend?  http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/07/10/grisly-vacaville-prison-murder-follows-riot-inmate-found-nearly-cut-in-two-organs-missing/ (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/07/10/grisly-vacaville-prison-murder-follows-riot-inmate-found-nearly-cut-in-two-organs-missing/)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Hockey05 on November 14, 2017, 02:01:44 PM
It is really refreshing to see positive comments about players, rather than the venom some people like to put out there.


Here we go...


From Rubber Mag...

About six years ago, as a first-time hockey parent of a Mite house player, I recall asking a couple of the veteran travel parents if they had any recommendations for information about different hockey clubs and the tryout process.
One parent was vocal about the wealth of resources you could find on the hockey message boards. The other parent was equally as vocal and stated in no uncertain terms that I should avoid those sites like the gaps in the mats at hockey rinks. I found myself fascinated by these differing opinions and began to scour the internet to learn more about hockey message boards.


These message boards are mostly populated by “adults” who have little or no understanding of the impact of their conversations on their children. These boards contain page after page of adults disparaging children and their performance in hockey. Visit the first-year Mite message board and clearly see the most upsetting comments imaginable regarding the athletic prowess of a child who probably learned to ride a bike less than two years before. I cannot even begin to describe the level of hate often expressed toward certain coaches whom parents will openly accuse of things that range from tax evasion to bribery.
Yet to their face, they say nothing.


Behind the guise of anonymity, parents attack other parents, clubs and governing bodies and it’s not uncommon for these adults to spend time arguing over the over/under scores of children’s hockey games every weekend. Further, parents will actively refer in vague terms to players or families whom they feel are not worthy to play with their children or whom they feel will never perform at the level that they (referring to the collective message board community) believe they should reach.


This was most beautifully illustrated by the torrent of messages regarding the California Amateur Hockey Association board decision to implement an evaluation protocol to help determine placement of teams for safety purposes. If one agrees or disagrees with the implementation of this policy is an individual’s choice, but the message boards erupted with such vitriol and angst equal to hot lava being poured upon the Stanley Cup.


Furthermore, almost every individual on the board went to great lengths to discuss the appropriateness of ranking one team or another in a division and the heresy of certain teams being included or not included.
It is crystal clear that the manner in which these adults are sharing their thoughts DOES impact the manner in which their children integrate the game and their attitude toward other players and clubs. Hockey as a sport is clearly one that brings people together and provides children with a long term, incredibly healthy after-school activity, which promotes friendship, discipline, and positive habits. What can easily erode the positive impact of hockey, however, is the negative filters and unresolved maladaptive manipulations of the parent, which is seen most clearly in the messages posted upon these boards.


Some parents have asked for my suggestions regarding the messages posted on the boards (because regardless of disclaimers, the children ARE reading these boards and hearing other adults speak negatively about them). What I tell them is to inform their players and children that there will always be people who are negative and there will always be people who search for an anonymous forum to display their unresolved mental health issues. And, most importantly, to consider what it felt like to hear or read something negative about their club or team and hold that memory for the next time they consider making a rude or inappropriate comment on social media. It might be too late to help the “adults” on these message boards integrate a different mindset, but there is a chance for the players of today to become the responsible and positive hockey parents of tomorrow.


Trevor Small, Psy.D., is a clinical psychologist who is the Safe Sport coordinator for the Los Angeles Jr. Kings, the clinical director of Bridges to Recovery, and is in private practice in Santa Monica. He has provided mental health services to adolescents and adults for almost 30 years.


I can only wish the article discussed the need for communication that is lacking or can't occur.  I also wish it discussed the time commitment and money being spent by parents and the system that is in place that is often causing such far ranging opinions. 
This board and its impact on kids is nothing compared to what is occurring in ice rinks every weekend.  I don't state that as a bad, but hockey is intense and sometimes the ugly side of youth sports is revealed in many different ways, from a kid getting speared, to a coach being a poor example, cops being called to break up a fight in the stands and so much more.
I credit the volunteers who give so much of their time to make the sport happen.  Many of them are on this very board and express their opinions in much needed privacy.     
The situation with youth hockey and particularly in California is far from perfect.  There are many things that can be done better. 
If you've been on the board for years there have been numerous posts of benefit, from mite cross ice and playing up, to moving along through the system, rules put in place and trying to get your player to juniors and the higher levels of the sport.  Yes there are ridiculous posts, some of them witty, well thought out and hysterical.  However, I'd like to think the communication on the board has somewhere along the line kept a bit of honesty and integrity throughout the state. It certainly has helped me keep a bit of my sanity and while entertained it has also kept me informed.   

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on November 15, 2017, 01:07:22 PM
Flight II, 3 of the 4 games on Sunday were ties.  Coincidence? Fatigue/Playing not to lose?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on November 15, 2017, 03:14:42 PM
Some of it fatigue, some of it poor execution.  Playing not to lose doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pass_the_puck on November 16, 2017, 08:54:08 AM
Remeber no one likes excuses...right Miss My 48080? so how were your games this weekend?


Seems like the Mariners are the only ones that don't make excuses.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 16, 2017, 09:05:58 AM
Remeber no one likes excuses...right Miss My 48080? so how were your games this weekend?


Seems like the Mariners are the only ones that don't make excuses.

Speaking of that. OC1 went 0-4 what happened?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on November 16, 2017, 09:17:01 AM
Remeber no one likes excuses...right Miss My 48080? so how were your games this weekend?


Seems like the Mariners are the only ones that don't make excuses.

Speaking of that. OC1 went 0-4 what happened?

No excuses or reasons will be given by me but things will be different in Riverside.

We'll see some of you next weekend at the tournament in LA.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on November 16, 2017, 09:55:55 AM
Sounds awfully threatening.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on November 16, 2017, 10:01:27 AM
Sounds awfully threatening.


Yes, we need to set up a safe space.  ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 16, 2017, 10:05:39 AM
Sounds awfully threatening.


Yes, we need to set up a safe space.  ;D

LMAO
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on November 16, 2017, 10:27:40 AM
Sounds awfully threatening.


Yes, we need to set up a safe space.  ;D

LMAO

There was nothing threatening about my comment. I was simply using confidence to say that I expect OC1 to perform better in Riverside than they did in Vacaville. Saying, "We'll see some of you at the tournament in LA" is simply a statement of fact that OC1 is playing against Wave1, Wave2, JK1, JK2, and JD at the Tinseltown Tournament at TSC. It's not healthy to read into things. Just my $0.02...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on November 16, 2017, 11:50:00 AM
Sounds awfully threatening.


Yes, we need to set up a safe space.  ;D

LMAO

There was nothing threatening about my comment. I was simply using confidence to say that I expect OC1 to perform better in Riverside than they did in Vacaville. Saying, "We'll see some of you at the tournament in LA" is simply a statement of fact that OC1 is playing against Wave1, Wave2, JK1, JK2, and JD at the Tinseltown Tournament at TSC. It's not healthy to read into things. Just my $0.02...
Interesting pool set up at Tinseltown, OC will play Wave1 and Kings2, followed by someone in the other pool which could be Wave2, Kings1, or Ducks1.  Got a favorable match up in the pool they're in, and will likely play Wave2 in their 3rd game.  Solid chance to go 3-0 in pool play but it won't tell us anything about whether or not they've "righted their ship" as they will probably play two flight 2 teams and a questionable flight 1 team.  Will be fun to see how the game against Wave1 goes.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on November 16, 2017, 11:58:50 AM
Sounds awfully threatening.


Yes, we need to set up a safe space.  ;D

LMAO

There was nothing threatening about my comment. I was simply using confidence to say that I expect OC1 to perform better in Riverside than they did in Vacaville. Saying, "We'll see some of you at the tournament in LA" is simply a statement of fact that OC1 is playing against Wave1, Wave2, JK1, JK2, and JD at the Tinseltown Tournament at TSC. It's not healthy to read into things. Just my $0.02...
Interesting pool set up at Tinseltown, OC will play Wave1 and Kings2, followed by someone in the other pool which could be Wave2, Kings1, or Ducks1.  Got a favorable match up in the pool they're in, and will likely play Wave2 in their 3rd game.  Solid chance to go 3-0 in pool play but it won't tell us anything about whether or not they've "righted their ship" as they will probably play two flight 2 teams and a questionable flight 1 team.  Will be fun to see how the game against Wave1 goes.

Very true. However, the Summary Suspension against the Wave1 goalie expires on Saturday so he'll be back and their current goalie will go back to defense. If they can play well disciplined hockey and not take stupid penalties, like OC1, it could be a different outcome than expected.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Freezing on November 16, 2017, 05:15:00 PM
Word on the steeet OC1 is  struggling with some Gretzky wanna be egos and the team is not cohesive---not talking trash just heard it at the rink while my kid was skating. They also have some unnecessary injuries that occurred at practice. They have great players I will say that over and over. The match up against the wave will be an oppurtunity to "right the ship" hopefully and they can bring a new game to Riverside. They looked like they could have given the bears a challenge at the Jamboree and there is nothing more I would like to see then OC1 rising up and making the bears work
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on November 17, 2017, 12:14:12 PM
Word on the steeet OC1 is  struggling with some Gretzky wanna be egos and the team is not cohesive---not talking trash just heard it at the rink while my kid was skating. They also have some unnecessary injuries that occurred at practice. They have great players I will say that over and over. The match up against the wave will be an oppurtunity to "right the ship" hopefully and they can bring a new game to Riverside. They looked like they could have given the bears a challenge at the Jamboree and there is nothing more I would like to see then OC1 rising up and making the bears work


I have no idea where the rumor of "Gretzky egos" came from but I can't think of who it could be. As for the injuries, I can confirm that OC1 was missing three players in Vacaville. Two players missed due to injury and 1 player had a prior family commitment. We are hoping both of the injured players recover in time for Riverside. The other player already returned.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on November 17, 2017, 12:56:41 PM
Quote

I have no idea where the rumor of "Gretzky egos" came from but I can't think of who it could be.
Probably one of the goalies i bet  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 17, 2017, 07:25:26 PM
This weeks picks that don't mean shit.....


Bennys                   vs                         OC1              OC1 by shit load (BNNMCA ?? 35% to you if you collect my $$)


JK1                         vs                        Saints            JK1 by 3


JK2                         vs                        WW               WW by 4


Wave1                      vs                       Mariners         Mariners by 1 (Miss 48844888 thumps chest)


Lady Ducks              vs                        OC2               OC2 by 2 (or Bicks looses it BIG time)


Empire                     vs                        JD2                Empire by 9


Good luck everyone !!


Have a good/safe turkey day.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on November 18, 2017, 09:37:31 AM
This weeks picks that don't mean shit.....


Bennys                   vs                         OC1              OC1 by shit load (BNNMCA ?? 35% to you if you collect my $$)


A whole 35%?! Deal!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on November 26, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
Impressive back-to-back wins by Wave1 over Ducks1 in OT and Kings1 in a SO to win the Tinseltown Tournament.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on November 27, 2017, 02:03:59 PM
Sweet Jiminy Christmas! If this can happen, BF is all like

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Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Transplant on November 27, 2017, 02:11:51 PM
BTW, Congrats to the Jr. Reign 14U AAs... for winning the San Diego Bantam A tournament... seriously??????? What's even funnier is that they didn't even go through undefeated.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on November 27, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
BTW, Congrats to the Jr. Reign 14U AAs... for winning the San Diego Bantam A tournament... seriously? ??? ??? What's even funnier is that they didn't even go through undefeated.

I bet it felt real good for those kids to win something finally.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on November 27, 2017, 04:01:50 PM
BTW, Congrats to the Jr. Reign 14U AAs... for winning the San Diego Bantam A tournament... seriously? ??? ??? What's even funnier is that they didn't even go through undefeated.
Amazing what happens when you play where you should.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on November 27, 2017, 05:27:38 PM
BTW, Congrats to the Jr. Reign 14U AAs... for winning the San Diego Bantam A tournament... seriously? ??? ??? What's even funnier is that they didn't even go through undefeated.
Amazing what happens when you play where you should.


My thoughts exactly!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on December 01, 2017, 09:22:47 AM
This weekends red headed step child pickes


Mariners.              Vs.          JK2                  Mariners by 5


JD2.                                       JR FLYERS.   JF BY 4


SAINTS.                 VS.          OC2.              SAINTS BY 3


JR REIGN.              VS.          WW.              WW BY 6


JK2.                         VS.         JD2.              JK2 BY 3


MARINERS.             VS.        JF.                 MARINERS BY 1


WW.                          VS.         OC2.            WW BY 2


JR REIGN.                VS.        SAINTS.      SAINTS BY 7


JD2.                           VS.       MARINERS. MARINERS BY 5


JK2.                            VS.      JF.                 JF BY 4


WW.                            VS.       SAINTS.       SAINTS BY 1


OC2.                            VS.      JR REIGN.    OC2 BY 4


GOOD LUCK EVERYONE
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on December 03, 2017, 08:45:55 PM
How did everyone's weekend go, any surprises, failures or upsets?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on December 04, 2017, 01:57:04 PM
How did everyone's weekend go, any surprises, failures or upsets?

Biggest surprise/upset of the weekend: Jr Kings 2 beating Jr Flyers 4-2. I always knew it was a matter of time before Kings2 get it together. Too much talent and coaching to be labeled as a team that doesn't belong. As for the Flyers, they're sort of a mystery. Capable of hanging with/beating any Flight 2 teams but too often ends up with ties...

Surprise #2: Reign winning 4-1 over OCHC2. In my opinion, OCHC2 should've handled the Reign, perhaps not by much, but nonetheless should've won. Congrats to Reign on 1st win of the season.

Failures: Wave2 unable to secure 1st place by losing in a competitive game 3-2 to Saints. Rather evenly played game with 40+ shots by both teams, but a few weak calls by refs + Wave2's inability to kill off penalties ultimately led to the loss.

Good weekend for Saints and Mariners as both went 3-0. If playoff starts today, Saints are in due to goal differential. Mariners just 1 point behind Wave2 and Saints. CAHA weekend in Feb. is going to be war, with top teams having zero room for mistakes and bottom teams trying to play spoilers...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on December 04, 2017, 07:02:11 PM
How did everyone's weekend go, any surprises, failures or upsets?


Flight 2 seems to be a dog fight between the four teams (saints, wave, mariners, flyers) for the top spot. They all are playing two of the four in the next two Caha weekends. It should be an exciting finish for flight2. Thats how it should be. Would be fun to watch.


Flight1, however, had some interesting results. Bears going 3-0 was no surprise but the shellacking they put on ducks in 12-3 win was surprising. Oc going 0-3 in losing twice to ducks in one day (gr8 scheduling caha) and then losing to gse1 effectively puts oc in the same category as wave ( no shot at play downs). Kings cooling from 4-0 in vacaville to 1-2 this weekend, with wave being their sole win, was no surprise. Empire going 3-0 was surprising knowing they played all norcal teams and have more 2004s than any other flight1 team. That speaks of good coaching and proves a healthy mix of 2 birth years can work. Minor year infusion doesnt mean u will get beat by pure major year teams. They, however, may not be able to beat bears who are extremely talented & coached.


Once again all Norcal teams looked good and did well and stayed in playoff hunt.gse1 is better than their record suggests and they like sharks have a game on hand.


When all is said & done bears, empire,kings, gse2, sharks, blackhawks, and gse1 might be the top 7 teams in flight 1. Ducks' lack of defensemen might prevent them from cracking top 7.





Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on December 04, 2017, 07:11:53 PM
What place do you need to be in to make playdowns?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on December 04, 2017, 10:47:08 PM
What place do you need to be in to make playdowns?
Top 7 from flight1 and top team from flight 2.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: nzone on December 05, 2017, 01:51:49 AM
What place do you need to be in to make playdowns?
Top 7 from flight1 and top team from flight 2.
I thought #8 from flight 1 would  play #1 from flight 2 for the last spot in playdowns. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on December 05, 2017, 07:10:02 AM
What place do you need to be in to make playdowns?
Top 7 from flight1 and top team from flight 2.

The top 7 teams in Flight 1 go to the playdowns and the #8 team plays one game against the top Flight 2 team for the last spot.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on December 05, 2017, 08:42:11 AM
The top 7 teams in Flight 1 go to the playdowns and the #8 team plays one game against the top Flight 2 team for the last spot.
In hindsight, this is brilliant for the top four flight 2 teams - they are going to fight their asses off for a chance to make it into the Flight 1 playdowns.


Can't remember a team having a more complete meltdown than OC1.  It's really disheartening.  There are a lot of good, loyal families suffering through an abysmal season.  I don't know if there's enough alcohol and good times to see you through this one.  Really thought they'd be a top 5 team this year.


 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on December 05, 2017, 08:47:50 AM
The top 7 teams in Flight 1 go to the playdowns and the #8 team plays one game against the top Flight 2 team for the last spot.
In hindsight, this is brilliant for the top four flight 2 teams - they are going to fight their asses off for a chance to make it into the Flight 1 playdowns.


Can't remember a team having a more complete meltdown than OC1.  It's really disheartening.  There are a lot of good, loyal families suffering through an abysmal season.  I don't know if there's enough alcohol and good times to see you through this one.  Really thought they'd be a top 5 team this year.


it is too bad about the OC1 they looked very strong at the Jamboree, was kinda expecting a stronger showing from Ducks 1 too.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on December 14, 2017, 11:38:00 AM
Does anyone on here know which Jr Ducks team is coming to Colorado for the U14 AA Presidents Day tournament?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on December 14, 2017, 03:26:23 PM
Does anyone on here know which Jr Ducks team is coming to Colorado for the U14 AA 8Presidents Day tournament?


I'm 99% it's the Jr Ducks AA Minor team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on December 15, 2017, 08:03:26 PM
Does anyone on here know which Jr Ducks team is coming to Colorado for the U14 AA 8Presidents Day tournament?


I'm 99% it's the Jr Ducks AA Minor team.


Thanks!


I will hit up Trans for a scouting report
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on December 16, 2017, 12:19:43 PM
Does anyone on here know which Jr Ducks team is coming to Colorado for the U14 AA 8Presidents Day tournament?


I'm 99% it's the Jr Ducks AA Minor team.


Thanks!


I will hit up Trans for a scouting report


A scouting report on the Jr Ducks AA 04 team? Trust me, you don't need one... ;-)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on December 16, 2017, 06:30:26 PM
Does anyone on here know which Jr Ducks team is coming to Colorado for the U14 AA 8Presidents Day tournament?


I'm 99% it's the Jr Ducks AA Minor team.


Thanks!


I will hit up Trans for a scouting report


A scouting report on the Jr Ducks AA 04 team? Trust me, you don't need one... ;-)


Ouch.


That bad, huh? haha
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on December 28, 2017, 07:32:11 AM
Which Jr Kings team is going to Minnesota for MLK weekend?


I see them in our bracket out there.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on December 28, 2017, 09:33:56 AM
Jr. Kings 1. They are doing better than most expected them to. They have three good players and their assisstant coach tries to pay man on man coverage. They try to stiffle u in neutral zone and their forwads r usually high in the d zone making it harder for points in offensive zone to become  threat. Due to forwads being highbthwy do get more breakaways. A lefy forward, who has mostly played d before, a righty d, who has played forward all his life, and an nhl player son who plays forward r the players to watch. A beatable team if u play your game. Good luck @one hockey tournament at schwann rinks where u pay $8 per day spectator fee just to watch your kid play youth hockey.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on December 28, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
Jr. Kings 1. They are doing better than most expected them to. They have three good players and their assisstant coach tries to pay man on man coverage. They try to stiffle u in neutral zone and their forwads r usually high in the d zone making it harder for points in offensive zone to become  threat. Due to forwads being highbthwy do get more breakaways. A lefy forward, who has mostly played d before, a righty d, who has played forward all his life, and an nhl player son who plays forward r the players to watch. A beatable team if u play your game. Good luck @one hockey tournament at schwann rinks where u pay $8 per day spectator fee just to watch your kid play youth hockey.

Thanks.

Yes, the fee is bullshit.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: dreal on December 29, 2017, 03:23:40 PM

Update from the Great White North...Burnaby British Columbia,  Pat Quinn Classic Quarterfinal. 


OCHC1             9
Burbank Bears  3


Not a mis-print.  Bears eliminated!!   OCHC 1 advances to Semi-Finals tomorrow!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on December 29, 2017, 03:53:17 PM
http://www.patquinnclassic.com/page/show/2274719-bantam-aaa (http://www.patquinnclassic.com/page/show/2274719-bantam-aaa)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Zam Dad on January 04, 2018, 09:10:01 AM
Happy New Year! Wow these boards have been quiet lately.   :(
(Probably because Wada Wave is in Sweden lol)

Anyways, I noticed that Kings 1 have 3 coaches suspended for a few games in this upcoming CAHA weekend.
Looks like something to do with Silversticks in early Dec. (15 penalties! what the heck!)
Any details?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on January 06, 2018, 02:12:52 PM
A few WW players and their families  got stuck in Copenhagen.  Connecting flight was cancelled to L.A.  Both goalies, Fwd and A D-man and coach are out for tomorrows game vs Valencia.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on January 06, 2018, 07:29:37 PM
Bummer.  If it's just a Scaha game, maybe Flyers can lend one of their net minders.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on January 07, 2018, 08:12:46 AM
A few WW players and their families  got stuck in Copenhagen.  Connecting flight was cancelled to L.A.  Both goalies, Fwd and A D-man and coach are out for tomorrows game vs Valencia.


Already making excuses I see.  ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WIPIH on January 07, 2018, 07:26:04 PM
Any updates on ducks 1, gse 1 game today. Didn’t see updates on caha for this game. They have all other games posted.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rainman on January 07, 2018, 08:38:21 PM
Forgot score but ducks won
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on January 16, 2018, 08:53:33 PM
Back after a mid season leave of absence.....

This weeks picks.....

jr bennys                          VS                            MARINERS              MARINERS BY 5....SCRATCH THAT BY 7 bf STILL OWES ME $$

Da BEARS                                                          EMPIRE                   DBS BY 4 ...GAP IS CLOSING

JR FLYERS                          VS                           SAINTS                    SAINTS BY 2

JK2                                     VS                            OC1                          OC1 BY 5

JK1                                      VS                           OC2                         JK1 BY 6

LADY DUCKS                      VS                            WAVE 1                   WAVE BY 3

JD1                                      VS                            WW                         JDs over little 04s by 2

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE !!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on January 19, 2018, 11:26:06 AM
Is there a new blog that everybody went to? Calhockey is crickets lately.

Let's stir it up hopefully and talk prematurely and pointlessly about playdowns.

Question #1: Flight 1: 5 teams are still mathematically eligible for the #6/7/8 spots at this point, though Wave1 and OC1 would have to run the table and GSE1 would have to lose all remaining.  With that said, assume Wave1 and OC1 don't make top 8, leaving either GSE1, Blackhawks or Sharks in #8 spot. Stay with me here.  This means winner of Flight 2 plays the tie breaker somewhere in NorCal, yes?

Question #2: Flight 2 - who wins? Three in the running: Saints, Wave 2 and Mariners. Wave2 so hot and cold, I count them out right now. Could come down to one game - Mariners/Saints Feb 4.  I pick Saints 3-1, Saints go to NorCal for tiebreaker (?).
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on January 19, 2018, 11:41:22 AM
Is there a new blog that everybody went to? Calhockey is crickets lately.

Let's stir it up hopefully and talk prematurely and pointlessly about playdowns.

Question #1: Flight 1: 5 teams are still mathematically eligible for the #6/7/8 spots at this point, though Wave1 and OC1 would have to run the table and GSE1 would have to lose all remaining.  With that said, assume Wave1 and OC1 don't make top 8, leaving either GSE1, Blackhawks or Sharks in #8 spot. Stay with me here.  This means winner of Flight 2 plays the tie breaker somewhere in NorCal, yes?

Question #2: Flight 2 - who wins? Three in the running: Saints, Wave 2 and Mariners. Wave2 so hot and cold, I count them out right now. Could come down to one game - Mariners/Saints Feb 4.  I pick Saints 3-1, Saints go to NorCal for tiebreaker (?).
As far as I could tell it's like this...


SAINTS
      Run the table they are in
WAVE
      Needs to run the table and help from someone (Mariners)
      To beat/tie the Saints.
MARINERS
    Need to run the table i.e. beat Saints and WW   (No easy feat)
    If they can do that they deserve to go.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on January 21, 2018, 04:40:35 PM
Short handed Flyers 4 Tired saints 0



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on January 22, 2018, 11:39:56 AM
Short handed Flyers 4 Tired saints 0


Nicely done Flyers. Any other score updates since SCAHA doesn't seem to be updated?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on January 22, 2018, 12:34:12 PM
Bears 5, Empire 3.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on January 23, 2018, 07:04:15 AM
Bears 5, Empire 3.


Empire is really coming on strong.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on January 23, 2018, 08:19:45 AM
The Bears are a tough nut to crack.  Gotta keep the puck away from #13 or he'll make you pay.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: PutYourFootOnTheGas on January 23, 2018, 09:17:54 AM
#13 - 145 points in 53 games. Oh my. I think he needs to play up a level for proper challenge. Those are video game numbers.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on January 30, 2018, 01:47:18 PM


Back after a mid season leave of absence.....

This weeks picks.....

jr bennys                          VS                            MARINERS              MARINERS BY 5....SCRATCH THAT BY 7 bf STILL OWES ME $$

Da BEARS                                                          EMPIRE                   DBS BY 4 ...GAP IS CLOSING

JR FLYERS                          VS                           SAINTS                    SAINTS BY 2

JK2                                     VS                            OC1                          OC1 BY 5

JK1                                      VS                           OC2                         JK1 BY 6

LADY DUCKS                      VS                            WAVE 1                   WAVE BY 3

JD1                                      VS                            WW                         JDs over little 04s by 2

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE !!

Mariners lost to the Jr Bennys 8-6  :o


Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on January 30, 2018, 08:47:04 PM
#13 - 145 points in 53 games. Oh my. I think he needs to play up a level for proper challenge. Those are video game numbers.
Play up to where.. AAAA? LOL! They are already playing all of the AAA teams in Cali... They play top AAA teams back east already. He's just a stud!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: PutYourFootOnTheGas on January 31, 2018, 06:24:04 AM
#13 - 145 points in 53 games. Oh my. I think he needs to play up a level for proper challenge. Those are video game numbers.
Play up to where.. AAAA? LOL! They are already playing all of the AAA teams in Cali... They play top AAA teams back east already. He's just a stud!


Lol. Good point. I was going to "argue" that most if his points probably came against Wave, OC, GSE and others at the bottom of the AA division. With that many points however, it cant even matter. He's just a fantastic player. No need to try and qualify it. Good against whoever he steps on the ice against!! Cheers. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Quadruple A on January 31, 2018, 09:59:42 AM
He was noticeably absent from the CAHA Select Camp... he would have been great to see there!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on January 31, 2018, 02:58:58 PM
He was noticeably absent from the CAHA Select Camp... he would have been great to see there!
And that brings up a seperate point... If I remember correctly, the Select tryouts were during the SSAT (or whatever they call it) and a lot of kids missed it. I think I heard if kids miss one game of the tryouts, they were not eligible to make the team?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on January 31, 2018, 04:38:42 PM
He was noticeably absent from the CAHA Select Camp... he would have been great to see there!
And that brings up a seperate point... If I remember correctly, the Select tryouts were during the SSAT (or whatever they call it) and a lot of kids missed it. I think I heard if kids miss one game of the tryouts, they were not eligible to make the team?
Several of the Bears players took that test on that weekend.  A few of them drove all the way to Lakewood to check in and get their jerseys, but missed their first game for the test.  They were not evaluated during their 2nd games, and were not even allowed to skate in their 3rd.  Rules are rules, but damn...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on January 31, 2018, 04:52:45 PM
He was noticeably absent from the CAHA Select Camp... he would have been great to see there!
And that brings up a seperate point... If I remember correctly, the Select tryouts were during the SSAT (or whatever they call it) and a lot of kids missed it. I think I heard if kids miss one game of the tryouts, they were not eligible to make the team?
Several of the Bears players took that test on that weekend.  A few of them drove all the way to Lakewood to check in and get their jerseys, but missed their first game for the test.  They were not evaluated during their 2nd games, and were not even allowed to skate in their 3rd.  Rules are rules, but damn...

That explains the lack of Bears.   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stark on January 31, 2018, 06:58:55 PM
There were kids who did not attend the CAHA select tryouts in Lakewood and made the cut.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on February 01, 2018, 07:09:23 AM
There were kids who did not attend the CAHA select tryouts in Lakewood and made the cut.
I believe there is a waiver process in place.  Either that or it's all politics  ;D ;D :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on February 01, 2018, 07:42:45 AM
There is a waiver process for injured players only. 


There were 7 evaluators.   


4 were from SoCal, 3 from NorCal


Kids were ranked from top to bottom and then waterlined based on allocations dictated by USA Hockey for the state


AA and A kids were selected over some AAA players independent of geographical location


Pretty impartial process based on the process and results


The rest is fake news or emotion






Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on February 01, 2018, 08:23:12 AM
There is a waiver process for injured players only. 


There were 7 evaluators.   


4 were from SoCal, 3 from NorCal


Kids were ranked from top to bottom and then waterlined based on allocations dictated by USA Hockey for the state


AA and A kids were selected over some AAA players independent of geographical location


Pretty impartial process based on the process and results


The rest is fake news or emotion
Soooooo....was it last year when the 03 Kings were out of town for the SCAHA camp?  Were they all injured???  Memory's a bit foggy here but I thought several of those players got an automatic bid to the CAHA camp?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 01, 2018, 09:12:26 AM
what is the CAHA select camp, just out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on February 01, 2018, 02:20:37 PM
Does anyone know how many AA kids made the CAHA camp?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HM on February 01, 2018, 02:50:59 PM
At the 04 level I believe 5 forwards and 1 defenseman, not including alternates.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on February 01, 2018, 03:46:57 PM
At the 04 level I believe 5 forwards and 1 defenseman, not including alternates.


Interesting...I did not think there would be that many since there are several AAA kids from what I heard.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stark on February 02, 2018, 11:37:25 AM
FYI - An 04 kid playing for Stockton Colts 14A made the CAHA cut, and is off to 2018 Western Regional High Performance Camp.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Ziegler on February 02, 2018, 04:30:01 PM
I wouldn't worry about the Burbank kid. If he's as good as they say he is USA hockey will find him and give the invite. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Cake on February 05, 2018, 01:59:02 PM
There is a waiver process for injured players only. 


There were 7 evaluators.   


4 were from SoCal, 3 from NorCal


Kids were ranked from top to bottom and then waterlined based on allocations dictated by USA Hockey for the state


AA and A kids were selected over some AAA players independent of geographical location


Pretty impartial process based on the process and results


The rest is fake news or emotion


Are you sure? Positive it's fake news or emotion? At a glance I see 3 players on the CAHA camp results that don't even play hockey in the state of California. Two players didn't even show up on any roster until the CAHA camp results. Another doesn't even live in the pacific time zone. His entire family moved summer last year. But sure....impartial and waivers for injured players only.....
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 05, 2018, 02:03:35 PM
so that now that the caha weekends are done, can someone remind me how will they decide who get the privilege of getting a good ol beat down from Da Bears?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on February 05, 2018, 03:18:03 PM
#1 will play #8 or whomever wins the playoff between the number 1 flight 2 team and the number 8 flight 1 team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 05, 2018, 03:21:43 PM
#1 will play #8 or whomever wins the playoff between the number 1 flight 2 team and the number 8 flight 1 team.
So San Diego Vs San Jose how much you want bet the game Will not be played Somewhere 1/2 way.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on February 05, 2018, 03:23:43 PM
....that would be illogical....  :o 8)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 05, 2018, 04:06:16 PM
#1 will play #8 or whomever wins the playoff between the number 1 flight 2 team and the number 8 flight 1 team.
So San Diego Vs San Jose how much you want bet the game Will not be played Somewhere 1/2 way.

It's played in San Jose.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on February 05, 2018, 05:52:55 PM
In all three divisions using the Flight system, #8 Flight 1 team is NorCal and the #1 Flight II team is So Cal. Wrath of Khan[sic] strikes again!!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: goonhockey on February 06, 2018, 08:36:44 AM
surprised the play-in games aren't in vacaville also...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 06, 2018, 08:37:43 AM
surprised the play-in games aren't in vacaville also...

I heard San Jose but maybe it is now Vacaville.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 06, 2018, 08:46:20 AM
the Tier 1 should need to go to the Tier 2 team, they are the "better team" they will more than likely win, why should the weaker team need to travel to a game that will be harder for them. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on February 06, 2018, 08:49:40 AM
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 06, 2018, 08:54:17 AM
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.
I guess this situation is worse by having two teams literally at each end of the state
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 06, 2018, 08:58:44 AM
they really should meet 1/2 way..Bakersfield or Santa Barbara
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on February 06, 2018, 09:22:20 AM
Maybe they can get some extra games during that trip
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 06, 2018, 10:34:50 AM
the Tier 1 should need to go to the Tier 2 team, they are the "better team" they will more than likely win, why should the weaker team need to travel to a game that will be harder for them. ;) ;)

Hardly the better team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 06, 2018, 10:37:55 AM
But we did the whole Jamboree thing last year and the smart people said they are either Tier 1 or 2 so don’t argue with the smart people of CAHA.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 06, 2018, 10:39:33 AM
the Tier 1 should need to go to the Tier 2 team, they are the "better team" they will more than likely win, why should the weaker team need to travel to a game that will be harder for them. ;) ;)

Hardly the better team.
Saints by 2
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 06, 2018, 10:41:14 AM
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.

They should of taken the top 7 teams in flight one and given them a pass to the playdowns.

 Then you take the top 4 Flight two teams into a playoff with one team coming out as your 8th seed.

 A wildcard round for lack of a name. You would get more money more excitement for the clubs. You could also take the 8th and 9th team in flight one into the wildcard round giving 6 teams a fight for a spot.     
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 06, 2018, 10:42:10 AM
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.


That's just completely incorrect, sorry.  The system was set up to keep the "elite" AA teams from having to play the teams that would traditionally be in the 9-16+ territory in the league.  There was already a system in place to force down teams to A.  Since my kid is on his 2nd year of PWAA, I can tell you that last season there were teams that dropped to A (2 or 3 as I recall) and the same thing happened this year.


The main thing that people probably don't realize is that for the most part the flights were picked prior to the Jamboree.  I verified this over the course of the season.  The Jamboree was not an evaluation, but rather selected games meant only to reinforce the seeding they already had formulated.  For example in the case of our team, we played 3 of 4 teams that ended up in Flight1, and in fact all 3 of those teams made the top 8.  We lost those games by 1 and 2 goals, while putting up equal shots.  We outshot the team we lost to by 1 goal and carried a lot of the play.  The other flight2 team we beat by 6.  Didn't make a difference, because the assumption was that we were supposed to be a "mid flight2 team"   


We were under the impression at the time, given CAHA's minimal information on the matter, that it was an evaluation, so in that sense, there was subterfuge involved.  If people had known where they stood, there might have been a chance to clarify misunderstandings or challenge the seedings.  I also think that people would have done a lot more questioning of the time and money invested in the Jamboree given the format.  We played one Norcal team at the Jamboree, BTW, and ironically that is the team we have to play for the play-in game.  Speaking of which, said game was also in flux as to the location and time as recently as yesterday with the game this SUNDAY.  The whole play-in idea, is not well thought out, nor impartial nor well planned, unless you like the idea of having to either buy plane tickets or drive 6-9 hours for a game with 6 days notice.


Depending on the stature and presence of the individual clubs, some teams ended up getting preference they probably shouldn't have.  Those who complained about this from the outset were proven entirely right by some of the flight 1 selections. 


I understand that in general the flighting got more rankings right than it did wrong, but that doesn't justify the mistakes or the general message this sends to people stuck in the middle of this mess.  PW flight2 ended the season with the top team having +80 goal differential in only 15 games.  That's a pretty big evaluation fail.  We will never know whether this team would have made the playoffs if it had been in Flight1, but it seems possible given the small sample size of scrimmages and SCAHA games where they played Flight1 teams in some close games. 


But the biggest issue is that after teams had already signed up for PWAA when this was launched, and the end result is that we might as well have just stayed within SCAHA, as there wasn't a single Norcal team in flight2.  CAHA has been tone deaf from the start, in forcing us to travel to Vacaville and play each other. 


A CAHA rep told me they are going to "improve things" next year   :o






Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on February 06, 2018, 10:50:28 AM

A CAHA rep told me they are going to "improve things" next year   :o


That is one of the biggest oxymoron's I have read on this site.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on February 06, 2018, 10:57:11 AM
Fair enough. As irritated as I get by some of this stuff, they are trying to respond to critiques. Who expected this to be perfect on the first try? I guess that’s why the game should be played, but perhaps it should have been played at the end of the last CAHA weekend. I’m sure that would have presented its own scheduling nightmare, but it’s a thought.


I’d like the AAA teams brought in to the jamboree. It’s odd the Bears weren’t allowed to play AAA just because they’re a small club w no AA feeder, but that’s another discussion.



Have any of the flight II teams played a flight I team during the season at a tournament? How did that go?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 06, 2018, 11:03:37 AM
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.

They should of taken the top 7 teams in flight one and given them a pass to the playdowns. Then you take the top 4 Flight two teams all BTW can beat a flight one team. Take those top 4 into a playoff with one team coming out as your 8th seed. A wildcard round for lack of a name. You would get more money more excitement for the clubs. You could also take the 8th and 9th team in flight one into the wildcard round giving 6 teams a fight for a spot.   


I almost hate to give helpful suggestions to "improve" something I don't think makes any sense in the first place, but I was thinking along those same lines.


What would be a lot more interesting I thought would be:


-Flight1 top 6 get placed in Playdowns


-Have a Flight2 tournament with all the Flight1 7+ teams and the rest of the 8 spots filled by the Flight2 teams.  To avoid inherent bias I would interleave the seedings:


Flight1 #7 - Seed 1
Flight2 #1 - Seed 2
Flight1 #8 - Seed 3
Flight2 #2 - Seed 4
etc as needed


Take the finalists and seed em into playdowns as #7 & #8.


This would actually make this interesting for more teams, and a lot less wonky and more forgiving of the scenarios where teams progress and become strong contenders as the seasons goes on, while also giving more Flight2 teams as well as the borderline/bottom flight1 teams a reason to care.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 06, 2018, 11:12:05 AM
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.

They should of taken the top 7 teams in flight one and given them a pass to the playdowns. Then you take the top 4 Flight two teams all BTW can beat a flight one team. Take those top 4 into a playoff with one team coming out as your 8th seed. A wildcard round for lack of a name. You would get more money more excitement for the clubs. You could also take the 8th and 9th team in flight one into the wildcard round giving 6 teams a fight for a spot.   


I almost hate to give helpful suggestions to "improve" something I don't think makes any sense in the first place, but I was thinking along those same lines.


What would be a lot more interesting I thought would be:


-Flight1 top 6 get placed in Playdowns


-Have a Flight2 tournament with all the Flight1 7+ teams and the rest of the 8 spots filled by the Flight2 teams.  To avoid inherent bias I would interleave the seedings:


Flight1 #7 - Seed 1
Flight2 #1 - Seed 2
Flight1 #8 - Seed 3
Flight2 #2 - Seed 4
etc as needed


Take the finalists and seed em into playdowns as #7 & #8.


This would actually make this interesting for more teams, and a lot less wonky and more forgiving of the scenarios where teams progress and become strong contenders as the seasons goes on, while also giving more Flight2 teams as well as the borderline/bottom flight1 teams a reason to care.

That's good too.

Keeps more teams in the mix and makes the system better. Then again CAHA doesn't care about making things better.   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 06, 2018, 11:37:55 AM
At least with the SCAHA teams, yes you play them in SCAHA games that are essentially exhibitions.  I have my doubts about the powers that be who scheduled those games as well.  What you have to understand is that there are people that on the face of it, from a factual standpoint have a conflict of interest in many of the decisions that are made.  None of us know what influence they have, but many people know of these conflicts.  The Vacaville decision for example, is one that lots of people questioned.  In 12u and 14u there is not a single Norcal team in flight 2, yet they forced all the socal teams to play a CAHA weekend in Vacaville.  You can find those discussions here if you search for em.


As for the Bears, it is a choice they made.  They could have played AAA, and there was a core of that team that played a AAA minor schedule previously.  They just didn't want to deal with the red tape or the limitations of AAA.  What the CAHA system shows is that they really don't care that the Bears should have been promoted to AAA, nor do they have any interest in doing so. 


The Bears could not easily qualify for AAA franchise in any sustainable fashion once they dropped the midget program, and would likely over time come to the same place the Titans have, but they could probably find a way to have 2 AA teams to satisfy the basic requirements if they wanted to.


The CAHA system is dumb. It limits AAA play to a select few who can afford it.  When you are playing 2 other teams spread across the entire state 3x and that's your season, you then have to travel to far away tournaments just to flesh out your season.  Why would the Bears want to do that, when they can play a lot more teams in AA, and travel and play in AAA tournaments whenever they want.  What would the benefit for them to be restricted to just playing 3 other teams?


CAHA's system is meant to discourage AAA participation, and the AA stuff is a reflection of that thinking.  Too much concern about the complaints of parents who had to watch their team occasionally beat down another team they had to drive a long way to play, boohoo.  They live in some imaginary world where there is ultimate parity and every game comes down to a shootout, and yet in reality, most years there is a clear favorite that dominates the other teams.  I've seen the villagers assemble the pitchforks for the Gulls for having sub-standard teams, and now the Titans won't have their AAA Midgets.  It's all about shrinking and limiting options for people to have their kids play the sport in a way that is sustainable and possible for them, with all the emphasis on winning and losing games, and  at the expense of development and growth. 


The Ducks, Kings and Sharks are the beneficiaries of this system and everyone else loses.  Throughout most of the country there  is a far greater percentage of kids playing AAA hockey than there is in Cali, again as has been discussed on these boards previously so I won't rehash.  Somehow, CAHA knows how to do kids hockey better than everywhere else in the country.


Meanwhile, Minnesota produces tons of NHL players with a fraction of the population and different age groupings   ;D   Sure they have lakes and everything but it's damn cold there too.


Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: PutYourFootOnTheGas on February 06, 2018, 01:18:44 PM
Why would the Bears want to do that, when they can play a lot more teams in AA, and travel and play in AAA tournaments whenever they want.  What would the benefit for them to be restricted to just playing 3 other teams?


I would argue because playing 9 competitive AAA league games is far more valuable than boat racing the entire AA division over 18 non competitive games. 129 GF and 27 GA is a joke. There isn’t a team in AA that can come close to these guys. I understand OC beat them up in Vancouver but obviously thst was an anomaly. I also understand they had some close games this weekend but their best player didn’t even play. I talked to someone who saw the GSE game and it wasn’t really competitive in their opinion. . GSE must have had 10+ icing calls simply trying to fend the Bears off. They also dump the puck every possession with next to zero sustained pressure. The tactic worked keeping the game close until they got a breakaway goal to keep it really tight.


The Bears could have had great games against the Kings. They played the Ducks early and beat them they played the Sharks and lost one and tied one and smoked the Gulls who should have played AA.


In the end you have to play teams at your level to be challenged and to stimulate development.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 06, 2018, 03:53:16 PM
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.

They should of taken the top 7 teams in flight one and given them a pass to the playdowns. Then you take the top 4 Flight two teams all BTW can beat a flight one team. Take those top 4 into a playoff with one team coming out as your 8th seed. A wildcard round for lack of a name. You would get more money more excitement for the clubs. You could also take the 8th and 9th team in flight one into the wildcard round giving 6 teams a fight for a spot.   


I almost hate to give helpful suggestions to "improve" something I don't think makes any sense in the first place, but I was thinking along those same lines.


What would be a lot more interesting I thought would be:


-Flight1 top 6 get placed in Playdowns


-Have a Flight2 tournament with all the Flight1 7+ teams and the rest of the 8 spots filled by the Flight2 teams.  To avoid inherent bias I would interleave the seedings:


Flight1 #7 - Seed 1
Flight2 #1 - Seed 2
Flight1 #8 - Seed 3
Flight2 #2 - Seed 4
etc as needed


Take the finalists and seed em into playdowns as #7 & #8.


This would actually make this interesting for more teams, and a lot less wonky and more forgiving of the scenarios where teams progress and become strong contenders as the seasons goes on, while also giving more Flight2 teams as well as the borderline/bottom flight1 teams a reason to care.

That's good too.

Keeps more teams in the mix and makes the system better. Then again CAHA doesn't care about making things better.


I think the problem being you just made it very palatable for A teams to play AA by giving them their own playdowns.  I think that is what the new system was trying to deter.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on February 06, 2018, 08:45:55 PM
Why would the Bears want to do that, when they can play a lot more teams in AA, and travel and play in AAA tournaments whenever they want.  What would the benefit for them to be restricted to just playing 3 other teams?


I would argue because playing 9 competitive AAA league games is far more valuable than boat racing the entire AA division over 18 non competitive games. 129 GF and 27 GA is a joke. There isn’t a team in AA that can come close to these guys. I understand OC beat them up in Vancouver but obviously thst was an anomaly. I also understand they had some close games this weekend but their best player didn’t even play. I talked to someone who saw the GSE game and it wasn’t really competitive in their opinion. . GSE must have had 10+ icing calls simply trying to fend the Bears off. They also dump the puck every possession with next to zero sustained pressure. The tactic worked keeping the game close until they got a breakaway goal to keep it really tight.


The Bears could have had great games against the Kings. They played the Ducks early and beat them they played the Sharks and lost one and tied one and smoked the Gulls who should have played AA.


In the end you have to play teams at your level to be challenged and to stimulate development.
But they play all of these AAA teams... they actually play a legit AAA schedule (21 AAA games to be exact) and they get the games for free (local games) most of the time I believe. That sounds like a great plan to me, why chase the extra A if in this case it doesn't mean anything. More people should probably get on board with this logic and maybe things would change? Can you imagine AAA kids playing for AA teams? What would the big clubs do?? LOL!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on February 07, 2018, 08:47:08 AM
Why would the Bears want to do that, when they can play a lot more teams in AA, and travel and play in AAA tournaments whenever they want.  What would the benefit for them to be restricted to just playing 3 other teams?


I would argue because playing 9 competitive AAA league games is far more valuable than boat racing the entire AA division over 18 non competitive games. 129 GF and 27 GA is a joke. There isn’t a team in AA that can come close to these guys. I understand OC beat them up in Vancouver but obviously thst was an anomaly. I also understand they had some close games this weekend but their best player didn’t even play. I talked to someone who saw the GSE game and it wasn’t really competitive in their opinion. . GSE must have had 10+ icing calls simply trying to fend the Bears off. They also dump the puck every possession with next to zero sustained pressure. The tactic worked keeping the game close until they got a breakaway goal to keep it really tight.


The Bears could have had great games against the Kings. They played the Ducks early and beat them they played the Sharks and lost one and tied one and smoked the Gulls who should have played AA.


In the end you have to play teams at your level to be challenged and to stimulate development.
Empire has come "close" every time they've met.  Just sayin...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on February 07, 2018, 08:51:03 AM
Would've been interesting to see how a top 5 team would have fared against Da Bears last weekend without #13 on the ice.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: goonhockey on February 07, 2018, 08:51:30 AM
Why would the Bears want to do that, when they can play a lot more teams in AA, and travel and play in AAA tournaments whenever they want.  What would the benefit for them to be restricted to just playing 3 other teams?


I would argue because playing 9 competitive AAA league games is far more valuable than boat racing the entire AA division over 18 non competitive games. 129 GF and 27 GA is a joke. There isn’t a team in AA that can come close to these guys. I understand OC beat them up in Vancouver but obviously thst was an anomaly. I also understand they had some close games this weekend but their best player didn’t even play. I talked to someone who saw the GSE game and it wasn’t really competitive in their opinion. . GSE must have had 10+ icing calls simply trying to fend the Bears off. They also dump the puck every possession with next to zero sustained pressure. The tactic worked keeping the game close until they got a breakaway goal to keep it really tight.


The Bears could have had great games against the Kings. They played the Ducks early and beat them they played the Sharks and lost one and tied one and smoked the Gulls who should have played AA.


In the end you have to play teams at your level to be challenged and to stimulate development.
Empire has come "close" every time they've met.  Just sayin...




horseshoes and hand grenades, just sayin...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on February 07, 2018, 09:02:28 AM
LOL, this ain't horseshoes or hand grenades bud.  Odds are in favor of the Bears winning it all, but odds aren't guarantees.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stark on February 07, 2018, 08:09:01 PM
The SCAHA parents crack me up! Now you are bitchin cause the tier 2 1st place teams have to go to the bay area to play your play-in games against the 8th place tier 1 team. It's been scheduled that way since the Tier Rules came out on June 17th.  See #12
 Also, you bitch because you have to go to Vacaville for a CAHA weekend when all the tier 2 teams are from SCAHA. So you are saying it’s not fair the CAHA weekend location didn’t get changed to Socal because only SCAHA teams ended up in the lower tier?
 Last season CAHA changed the schedule because SCAHA teams didn’t want to travel up North to play SCAHA teams during CAHA weekends & wanted to play those games in Socal during non CAHA weekends.  Then SCAHA teams started bitchin cause their CAHA games against SCAHA teams interfered with their SCAHA league schedule.  Since it didn’t work out for you, the CAHA schedule gets changed back the way it was.   
You make CAHA sound like the bad guy when they set things up before hand and even try to help Socal, but just because it doesn’t end in your Socal’s favor, you bitch.

Flame away. This should keep the board busy for a while.
 
 
  On June 17, 2017, the CAHA Board of Directors adopted the following CAHA Tier II Flight System Administration Guidelines
 
  1)   All Tier II teams will be required to participate in Preseason Evaluation Jamboree; failure to attend will result in disqualification from all Tier II participation.
  2)   In order to ‘Flight’ a division there must be a minimum of 12 teams (6 teams per flight minimum).
  3)   Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.
  4)   CAHA may schedule multiple rounds of games within the CAHA weekends to assure each team gets 12 – 18 games.
  5)   If after preseason jamboree evaluation the Evaluation Committee determines a particular division cannot be equitably split into two divisions that division will play as a whole without being split into two flights.
  6)   Evaluation Jamboree format will be 1‐hour mini game slots, with a 3 minute warmup, (2) 25 minute runtime periods, and a 1 minute intermission between periods.
  7)   Teams will play minimum of four (4) games (any team may be asked to play a 5th game at the jamboree at the request of the evaluation committee).
  8 )   The two weeks following the Preseason Evaluation Jamboree, teams are subject to being required to play further evaluation “prove me” game(s) within their respective leagues (SCAHA/NORCAL) if requested by the Evaluation Committee.
  9)   CAHA will ensure no less than three (3) evaluators are assessing each age division (if possible, evaluators will not review multiple age divisions).
  10)   Tier II Playdowns will still be an 8 team playdown.
  11)   Flight 1/Flight 2 Playdown Scenarios: a.   Flight 1 has 6 teams; #1 and #2 seed from Flight 2 advance to playdowns.
  b.   Flight 1 has 7 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 advances to playdowns.
  c.   Flight 1 has 8 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has play‐in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
  d.   Flight 1 has 9 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has play‐in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
  e.   Flight 1 has 10 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has play‐in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
  12)   When Flight 2 #1 seed has play‐in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, the Flight 1 team shall be the home team, with the Flight 2 team traveling to play said game.
  13)   In the event a Flight 2 #1 seed declines the opportunity for the play‐in game, the Flight 1 #8 seed will advance to playdowns.
 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 07, 2018, 09:12:53 PM
The SCAHA parents crack me up! Now you are bitchin cause the tier 2 1st place teams have to go to the bay area to play your play-in games against the 8th place tier 1 team. It's been scheduled that way since the Tier Rules came out on June 17th.  See #12
 Also, you bitch because you have to go to Vacaville for a CAHA weekend when all the tier 2 teams are from SCAHA. So you are saying it’s not fair the CAHA weekend location didn’t get changed to Socal because only SCAHA teams ended up in the lower tier?
 Last season CAHA changed the schedule because SCAHA teams didn’t want to travel up North to play SCAHA teams during CAHA weekends & wanted to play those games in Socal during non CAHA weekends.  Then SCAHA teams started bitchin cause their CAHA games against SCAHA teams interfered with their SCAHA league schedule.  Since it didn’t work out for you, the CAHA schedule gets changed back the way it was.   
You make CAHA sound like the bad guy when they set things up before hand and even try to help Socal, but just because it doesn’t end in your Socal’s favor, you bitch.

Flame away. This should keep the board busy for a while.
 
 
  On June 17, 2017, the CAHA Board of Directors adopted the following CAHA Tier II Flight System Administration Guidelines
 
  1)   All Tier II teams will be required to participate in Preseason Evaluation Jamboree; failure to attend will result in disqualification from all Tier II participation.
  2)   In order to ‘Flight’ a division there must be a minimum of 12 teams (6 teams per flight minimum).
  3)   Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.
  4)   CAHA may schedule multiple rounds of games within the CAHA weekends to assure each team gets 12 – 18 games.
  5)   If after preseason jamboree evaluation the Evaluation Committee determines a particular division cannot be equitably split into two divisions that division will play as a whole without being split into two flights.
  6)   Evaluation Jamboree format will be 1‐hour mini game slots, with a 3 minute warmup, (2) 25 minute runtime periods, and a 1 minute intermission between periods.
  7)   Teams will play minimum of four (4) games (any team may be asked to play a 5th game at the jamboree at the request of the evaluation committee).
  8 )   The two weeks following the Preseason Evaluation Jamboree, teams are subject to being required to play further evaluation “prove me” game(s) within their respective leagues (SCAHA/NORCAL) if requested by the Evaluation Committee.
  9)   CAHA will ensure no less than three (3) evaluators are assessing each age division (if possible, evaluators will not review multiple age divisions).
  10)   Tier II Playdowns will still be an 8 team playdown.
  11)   Flight 1/Flight 2 Playdown Scenarios: a.   Flight 1 has 6 teams; #1 and #2 seed from Flight 2 advance to playdowns.
  b.   Flight 1 has 7 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 advances to playdowns.
  c.   Flight 1 has 8 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has play‐in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
  d.   Flight 1 has 9 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has play‐in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
  e.   Flight 1 has 10 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has play‐in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
  12)   When Flight 2 #1 seed has play‐in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, the Flight 1 team shall be the home team, with the Flight 2 team traveling to play said game.
  13)   In the event a Flight 2 #1 seed declines the opportunity for the play‐in game, the Flight 1 #8 seed will advance to playdowns.
 



...........Mr or Mrs Cahn ??????
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Skate the River on February 07, 2018, 10:16:11 PM
First of all, I have no dog in this fight but have been involved with CAHA for many years as a coach and having a kid play. As I tell my kids all the time, when something doesn’t make sense, follow the money to get the answer and this is just another example of that. Stark, if you think this anything beyond that, I have a bridge to sell you.


Yes, everyone signed up knowing the deal with the flights. Agree, disagree that isn’t the issue and if there were No Cal teams in both flights, by all means be fair and have a weekend up north. HOWEVER, I would argue that there should be ZERO games played in Vacaville. San Jose has much better facilities, it’s easier to get to, the ice is better and it is much safer (I know multiple people that have had cars broken into in Vacaville). Argue with me that there is not enough rice slots there and that is the reason...However we all know that is not the real reason and doesn’t happen because of who is on the board.


CAHA makes no decision based on COMMON SENSE. When the flights were determined and every single team in Flight 2 is in So Cal, they should have immediately cancelled  the weekend up north and found ice  here in So Cal. There are several rinks here with 2 sheets so any argument that “the ice slots would be full” is complete and utter bullshit. I am sure Valencia, Anaheim Ice, Lakewood, Simi, Riverside or even KHS (would be the last choice) Would be happy to rearrange to host a CAHA weekend. Saves the parents time, money and oh yeah, likely keeps their kids in the school that Friday. However, said Board Member’s home  rink would be out the funds generated.


Once again, I will state what I did in the beginning...follow the money and the answers will show themselves.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 08, 2018, 08:49:36 AM
Just wait untill the word gets out about a Flight 2 Playoff that's in the works for next month. Then we will be able to really complain. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 08, 2018, 10:19:12 AM

Yes, everyone signed up knowing the deal with the flights. Agree, disagree that isn’t the issue and if there were No Cal teams in both flights, by all means be fair and have a weekend up north. HOWEVER, I would argue that there should be ZERO games played in Vacaville. San Jose has much better facilities, it’s easier to get to, the ice is better and it is much safer (I know multiple people that have had cars broken into in Vacaville). Argue with me that there is not enough rice slots there and that is the reason...However we all know that is not the real reason and doesn’t happen because of who is on the board.


CAHA makes no decision based on COMMON SENSE. When the flights were determined and every single team in Flight 2 is in So Cal, they should have immediately cancelled  the weekend up north and found ice  here in So Cal. There are several rinks here with 2 sheets so any argument that “the ice slots would be full” is complete and utter bullshit. I am sure Valencia, Anaheim Ice, Lakewood, Simi, Riverside or even KHS (would be the last choice) Would be happy to rearrange to host a CAHA weekend. Saves the parents time, money and oh yeah, likely keeps their kids in the school that Friday. However, said Board Member’s home  rink would be out the funds generated.


Once again, I will state what I did in the beginning...follow the money and the answers will show themselves.


You really believe that everything should have been scrapped up north and rescheduled in SoCal just to accommodate?  Are we all that entitled now to go without inconvenience?  We are entitled to the nicer facilities?


I don't know about you but I get up at 4:30 or 5 every morning for one reason.  Money.  These are not non profit organizations designed to get little Johnny to the Bigs.  It takes a little electricity to keep the water solid and money to pay the taxes.  Who the hell are you to tell someone else how to run their business?  Don't like it, open you own rink and have Bernie Sanders run it for you.  Free ice for everyone.  Become a board member.  Start your own hockey association.  There is still a small amount of freedom left in California.  Jump on the opportunity before it is entirely gone.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on February 08, 2018, 10:33:04 AM
Puck Yeah!


Imagine the few rinks still standing in CA trying to stay open partially through participation in a statewide league, a league that does its best to offer diverse, yet competitive games. The gall.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 08, 2018, 11:14:10 AM
Thanks for explaining how the California Amateur Hockey Association, which exists for one purpose only -- to organize games between the member teams, is actually a money making venture meant to funnel money to specific rinks.  Here I was under the impression that all the rinks were community owned with free ice time for all.

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You really believe that everything should have been scrapped up north and rescheduled in SoCal just to accommodate?

And to answer your direct question, yes they should have reorganized, just as they reorganized the schedule to include dropping one our CAHA weekends due to the Flight assignments they made. 

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rats13 on February 08, 2018, 11:55:44 AM
Thanks for explaining how the California Amateur Hockey Association, which exists for one purpose only -- to organize games between the member teams, is actually a money making venture meant to funnel money to specific rinks.  Here I was under the impression that all the rinks were community owned with free ice time for all.

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You really believe that everything should have been scrapped up north and rescheduled in SoCal just to accommodate?

And to answer your direct question, yes they should have reorganized, just as they reorganized the schedule to include dropping one our CAHA weekends due to the Flight assignments they made.

Maybe they should have dropped Vacaville and kept Lakewood (for PW)?   But that would have meant an extra lag month at the beginning of the season before CAHA weekends started.

I have to admit I'm curious what SCAHA cooks up for the flight 2 playoff.  How many teams?  Will it include the 9 and 10 teams from flight 1?

Good luck this weekend to your kids team Icedad!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Strawman on February 08, 2018, 12:12:38 PM
Puck Yeah, you have unintentionally put your finger on the problem.  CAHA is in fact a non-profit organization, funded by dues from its member teams (which are in turn passed on to the players' families).  It is not a for-profit monopoly company, and its mission is not "supposed" to be to line its own pockets, fleece its customers, or deliver a product that is unnecessarily expensive.  One can reasonably agree or disagree with some of the decisions CAHA makes every year and whether they are in the best interests of the California hockey community they serve, but it is hard to see how anyone could defend certain of their decisions this year as being either well-reasoned, impartial or in the best interests of their membership generally.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on February 08, 2018, 12:18:59 PM
Just wait untill the word gets out about a Flight 2 Playoff that's in the works for next month. Then we will be able to really complain.

Wait, Flight2 playoff next month?!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 08, 2018, 12:36:38 PM
Puck Yeah, you have unintentionally put your finger on the problem.  CAHA is in fact a non-profit organization, funded by dues from its member teams (which are in turn passed on to the players' families).  It is not a for-profit monopoly company, and its mission is not "supposed" to be to line its own pockets, fleece its customers, or deliver a product that is unnecessarily expensive.  One can reasonably agree or disagree with some of the decisions CAHA makes every year and whether they are in the best interests of the California hockey community they serve, but it is hard to see how anyone could defend certain of their decisions this year as being either well-reasoned, impartial or in the best interests of their membership generally.


Yes CAHA is non profit.  To my knowledge most rinks are not.  My point was that it is easy to bitch.  Let's say you own a NorCal rink and you have the playdowns scheduled and SoCal is bitching about having to drive 6 hours.  Would you just say, "you know, I never thought about that, I will forfeit the income, play in SoCal for your convenience" ?  It just isn't reasonable.  Rinks are businesses and like most businesses they look out for their own financial interest.  That is how they survive.  If you don't like the profit motive maybe try Hockey in Venezuela or Cuba.  If looking out for your family's financial interest is "following the money trail" then I agree with you.  Running CAHA or running a Rink is just like hockey.  Looks easy from the bleachers.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on February 08, 2018, 01:29:51 PM
I get it.  CAHAs Mission is re-distribution of wealth


Their role is to ensure that rinks remain profitable (especially those affiliated with board members).


If you run one of those rinks you get a Free Stuff.  Sound familiar?


Another example of the twisted welfare state of California


Business viability doesn't depend on customer demand for your value proposition it relies on subsidies.  Sound familiar?











Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on February 08, 2018, 02:59:24 PM
Puck Yeah, you have unintentionally put your finger on the problem.  CAHA is in fact a non-profit organization, funded by dues from its member teams (which are in turn passed on to the players' families).  It is not a for-profit monopoly company, and its mission is not "supposed" to be to line its own pockets, fleece its customers, or deliver a product that is unnecessarily expensive.  One can reasonably agree or disagree with some of the decisions CAHA makes every year and whether they are in the best interests of the California hockey community they serve, but it is hard to see how anyone could defend certain of their decisions this year as being either well-reasoned, impartial or in the best interests of their membership generally.


Yes CAHA is non profit.  To my knowledge most rinks are not.  My point was that it is easy to bitch.  Let's say you own a NorCal rink and you have the playdowns scheduled and SoCal is bitching about having to drive 6 hours.  Would you just say, "you know, I never thought about that, I will forfeit the income, play in SoCal for your convenience" ?  It just isn't reasonable.  Rinks are businesses and like most businesses they look out for their own financial interest.  That is how they survive.  If you don't like the profit motive maybe try Hockey in Venezuela or Cuba.  If looking out for your family's financial interest is "following the money trail" then I agree with you.  Running CAHA or running a Rink is just like hockey.  Looks easy from the bleachers.
The problem the Flight 2 teams had was when one of the weekends got cancelled, why was it KHS and not Vacaville? we all know the answer to that question.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on February 08, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
Puck Yeah, you have unintentionally put your finger on the problem.  CAHA is in fact a non-profit organization, funded by dues from its member teams (which are in turn passed on to the players' families).  It is not a for-profit monopoly company, and its mission is not "supposed" to be to line its own pockets, fleece its customers, or deliver a product that is unnecessarily expensive.  One can reasonably agree or disagree with some of the decisions CAHA makes every year and whether they are in the best interests of the California hockey community they serve, but it is hard to see how anyone could defend certain of their decisions this year as being either well-reasoned, impartial or in the best interests of their membership generally.


Yes CAHA is non profit.  To my knowledge most rinks are not.  My point was that it is easy to bitch.  Let's say you own a NorCal rink and you have the playdowns scheduled and SoCal is bitching about having to drive 6 hours.  Would you just say, "you know, I never thought about that, I will forfeit the income, play in SoCal for your convenience" ?  It just isn't reasonable.  Rinks are businesses and like most businesses they look out for their own financial interest.  That is how they survive.  If you don't like the profit motive maybe try Hockey in Venezuela or Cuba.  If looking out for your family's financial interest is "following the money trail" then I agree with you.  Running CAHA or running a Rink is just like hockey.  Looks easy from the bleachers.


ehh, you just award the ice contracts after the flights have been made.  Problem solved.  I am pretty sure you can still get ice with a 4-5 month lead time

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 08, 2018, 04:24:03 PM
I get it.  CAHAs Mission is re-distribution of wealth

Their role is to ensure that rinks remain profitable (especially those affiliated with board members).

If you run one of those rinks you get a Free Stuff.  Sound familiar?

Another example of the twisted welfare state of California

Business viability doesn't depend on customer demand for your value proposition it relies on subsidies.  Sound familiar?


Easy money, I think I will run out and start a Rink and wait for the dough to roll in the front door.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on February 08, 2018, 05:03:48 PM
No one suggests that starting and running a business is easy.  I have my own successful company which I started after a couple of failures. 


It was built in creating a service that people were willing to pay for because it was their choice.   It was priced right, in the right location and was available where and when needed

[/size][size=78%]Some of my competitors went out of business because there wasn't a demand for the kind of service level they delivered.  The city of Irvine didn't force its citizens to use them because running a business was hard and they needed to make a profit, or forced its citizens to use a service provider on the other side of town that's owned by a politician.  That's called corruption which is why people are upset [/size]
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[/size][size=78%]All that the "complainers" are asking is for CAHA to consider their needs and wants and not force them into something that only benefit insiders at the expense of the people you are supposed to serve.  It's the same reason why people hate politicians. [/size]
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Strawman on February 08, 2018, 05:23:15 PM
This ^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 08, 2018, 07:07:31 PM
That's an incongruent analogy. 


If you believe there is legitimately corruption then I think you should speak up, call it out and have it addressed: even legally if necessary.  Disliking how an organization is run in not corruption.


There is plenty that I disagree with the board about. However, those on the board generally are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't position.  You just aren't going to make people happy.


While parents are so emotionally invested in the kids hockey there are always going to be issues.  Hockey also costs a fortune and that brings about a sense of entitlement. 


People scream about the board members just like that scream about the refs.  I would not want either job at any pay rate.  I can't imagine getting up at 5 am to make 50 bucks for having the parents of which ever side is losing bark and insult you and question your integrity.   Nor would I want to make board decisions that result in pissing off at best half of the players parents and at worst most of them. 


If you play in MN your kid has a 4% chance of making D1.  We are not in MN.  Enjoy the game. 


When you have to travel to Vacaville take an extra half day and take your player to the Capital an explore a little. Enjoy the ride. When the NHL does not take him he will be working for a living just like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Strawman on February 08, 2018, 08:41:06 PM
Sorry, Puck Yeah, there are only so many times we can all visit Sacramento or San Jose and pretend it's either interesting, or an educational experience.  And only so many days of school our SoCal kids can afford to miss to keep those bloated NorCal rinks afloat, since as you point out it's all just for fun and they ain't gettin no D1 hockey scholarships out of it.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on February 08, 2018, 09:04:46 PM
My comments have absolutely nothing to do with how much time and money is invested in my kids, how much distance I travel to support them, the quality of CA hockey, scholarships, nor entitlements. 


I don't get emotional about any of that because those are choices



My comments have everything to do with what's morally right and wrong.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 09, 2018, 07:33:33 AM
My comments have absolutely nothing to do with how much time and money is invested in my kids, how much distance I travel to support them, the quality of CA hockey, scholarships, nor entitlements. 


I don't get emotional about any of that because those are choices



My comments have everything to do with what's morally right and wrong.


I like to think I have a high moral standard.  What is immoral?  Sincere question, not a challenge or looking for a gotcha.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 09, 2018, 07:50:03 AM
My comments have absolutely nothing to do with how much time and money is invested in my kids, how much distance I travel to support them, the quality of CA hockey, scholarships, nor entitlements. 


I don't get emotional about any of that because those are choices



My comments have everything to do with what's morally right and wrong.


I like to think I have a high moral standard.  What is immoral?  Sincere question, not a challenge or looking for a gotcha.
Believe calling this "immoral" is a bit of a streach.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Strawman on February 09, 2018, 08:05:57 AM
You are right. “Craven” would be a better word.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Mcp04 on February 09, 2018, 08:25:45 AM
This will be my last post on this topic.

There is nothing wrong with self-interest, and working for success.  It’s what makes this country great.

But self interest at the expense of others (especially those to which you are chartered to provide a service) is where it crosses into greed.

Greed is self interest when it becomes unacceptable to a society or group (the parents).

Whether or not greed is immoral is up to you and the values you subscribe to.  Not everyone has the same moral compass.

The emotion on this topic comes from the fact that one’s greed causes >100 people to be negatively impacted.     

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on February 09, 2018, 08:34:46 AM
All this because of a trip to Vacaville?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 09, 2018, 08:42:13 AM
I agree that we definitely have a different moral compass.  I don't define greed as it is defined in the current political climate.  "when it becomes unacceptable to a society or group"  I would agree with you that that is a modern Leftist definition.


Greed is the driving force behind capitalism and the success of the American experiment.  Wanting better for you and your family.  I don't want a society that gets to determine how much I am allowed to succeed and when the fruits of my labor are determined to be "enough".  If you rob Peter to pay Paul you can count on Paul voting for you.  If you are a sheep in a pack of wolves you don't want "society" determining what is for dinner.  Let us each work towards our own betterment.  It is not for others to determine one's level of success.  Unless there is unlawfulness in the effort to make gain, let the system sort it out. 


Thomas Sowell says it well:  'I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money"   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 09, 2018, 08:43:03 AM
All this because of a trip to Vacaville?

Great encapsulation!


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Portent on February 09, 2018, 09:22:56 AM
So let's play this out with the suggestion that ice contracts are awarded after the flights have been made. Where would the games be played out? Most likely rinks that have more than one sheet right? Lakewood, El Segundo, Anaheim, Riverside, San Jose. You don't think people will start complaining that CAHA is in the pockets of the three major clubs only to support their profits and agendas?  Oh wait, people are already saying that. I am not arguing that having 8 socal teams going to Vacaville to play each other is logistically stupid.
I went through this 10 years ago with my son. When he was a squirt and we chose to play A I would "complain" that the SCAHA board was useless with making teams travel to Bakersfield. Pretty much for all the same reasons I hear on this topic now. Than when he decided to make AA we heard about the dreaded "Vacaville" weekends. We choose to play AA and suffer through it... and yes even 8 years ago there were talks about broken in cars and crappy food. We complained that CAHA was in the pockets of this club or that club just like people are doing now.
 Now, this year we will most likely have to make the trip again with my daughter. We can choose not to sign her up for AA, we can choose not to place her on a team that travels out of state or up north at all,we can choose not to pull her out of school to miss any days,  we can choose for her not to play hockey at all. What is my point, we are the consumers and ultimately responsible for what we do with our money. Our decisions will shape our reality. Don't want to go to Vacaville or San Jose, or miss so many days of school, than don't sign up on any teams that do any of those.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Hockey05 on February 09, 2018, 09:32:58 AM

Yes, everyone signed up knowing the deal with the flights. Agree, disagree that isn’t the issue and if there were No Cal teams in both flights, by all means be fair and have a weekend up north. HOWEVER, I would argue that there should be ZERO games played in Vacaville. San Jose has much better facilities, it’s easier to get to, the ice is better and it is much safer (I know multiple people that have had cars broken into in Vacaville). Argue with me that there is not enough rice slots there and that is the reason...However we all know that is not the real reason and doesn’t happen because of who is on the board.


CAHA makes no decision based on COMMON SENSE. When the flights were determined and every single team in Flight 2 is in So Cal, they should have immediately cancelled  the weekend up north and found ice  here in So Cal. There are several rinks here with 2 sheets so any argument that “the ice slots would be full” is complete and utter bullshit. I am sure Valencia, Anaheim Ice, Lakewood, Simi, Riverside or even KHS (would be the last choice) Would be happy to rearrange to host a CAHA weekend. Saves the parents time, money and oh yeah, likely keeps their kids in the school that Friday. However, said Board Member’s home  rink would be out the funds generated.


Once again, I will state what I did in the beginning...follow the money and the answers will show themselves.


You really believe that everything should have been scrapped up north and rescheduled in SoCal just to accommodate?  Are we all that entitled now to go without inconvenience?  We are entitled to the nicer facilities?


I don't know about you but I get up at 4:30 or 5 every morning for one reason.  Money.  These are not non profit organizations designed to get little Johnny to the Bigs.  It takes a little electricity to keep the water solid and money to pay the taxes.  Who the hell are you to tell someone else how to run their business?  Don't like it, open you own rink and have Bernie Sanders run it for you.  Free ice for everyone.  Become a board member.  Start your own hockey association.  There is still a small amount of freedom left in California.  Jump on the opportunity before it is entirely gone.


Puck Yeah, here is where you are wrong.  This is a statewide non-profit organization. When you are elected or appointed to CAHA your obligation is to the players and their families , not the club you own or work.  You can't be serious that if you were a member or this organization you wouldn't have thought of the consequences of placing every So Cal team in a flight?  There are other things that could have been done.  Hell, parents would gladly have paid a stipend to get out of traveling up there to meet the ice slots.  The ice isn't that expensive.  Instead parents got fleeced into multiple weekends of their life, hours in the car or airport and hotel rooms. 
I think you need to be honest with yourself.  Laura, Ben and the rest of the board need to be held accountable.  We all get up early to make money Puck Yeah. 
We've bitched about this for 8 months.  The dumb mistakes of that organization continue to come up over and over again. And many of us give hundreds of hours of our time to youth hockey for free.   
Now maybe you can help come up with a solution to keep players in the state that are leaving in droves and to help CAHA get exposure to some of our outstanding AA players.  Because kids are not getting seen on the national level in this state and it is wrong. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 09, 2018, 09:37:38 AM
As a wise msn once said, "Greed is good."


But....


In any case (imho) that children are involved, need to step back and see what is in the best interest of the kids.  If you cannot do that find something else to do.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on February 09, 2018, 10:23:11 AM
So let's play this out with the suggestion that ice contracts are awarded after the flights have been made. Where would the games be played out? Most likely rinks that have more than one sheet right? Lakewood, El Segundo, Anaheim, Riverside, San Jose. You don't think people will start complaining that CAHA is in the pockets of the three major clubs only to support their profits and agendas?  Oh wait, people are already saying that. I am not arguing that having 8 socal teams going to Vacaville to play each other is logistically stupid.
I went through this 10 years ago with my son. When he was a squirt and we chose to play A I would "complain" that the SCAHA board was useless with making teams travel to Bakersfield. Pretty much for all the same reasons I hear on this topic now. Than when he decided to make AA we heard about the dreaded "Vacaville" weekends. We choose to play AA and suffer through it... and yes even 8 years ago there were talks about broken in cars and crappy food. We complained that CAHA was in the pockets of this club or that club just like people are doing now.
 Now, this year we will most likely have to make the trip again with my daughter. We can choose not to sign her up for AA, we can choose not to place her on a team that travels out of state or up north at all,we can choose not to pull her out of school to miss any days,  we can choose for her not to play hockey at all. What is my point, we are the consumers and ultimately responsible for what we do with our money. Our decisions will shape our reality. Don't want to go to Vacaville or San Jose, or miss so many days of school, than don't sign up on any teams that do any of those.


I would suggest that any player at the Peewee level simply play A.   You stop at states anyways.  Save your money.  What exactly are you chasing when your kid is 11-12?


If you all play A instead of AA, the talent level would be the same, and you will save about 3-5k to boot.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 09, 2018, 10:49:29 AM
So let's play this out with the suggestion that ice contracts are awarded after the flights have been made. Where would the games be played out? Most likely rinks that have more than one sheet right? Lakewood, El Segundo, Anaheim, Riverside, San Jose. You don't think people will start complaining that CAHA is in the pockets of the three major clubs only to support their profits and agendas?  Oh wait, people are already saying that. I am not arguing that having 8 socal teams going to Vacaville to play each other is logistically stupid.
I went through this 10 years ago with my son. When he was a squirt and we chose to play A I would "complain" that the SCAHA board was useless with making teams travel to Bakersfield. Pretty much for all the same reasons I hear on this topic now. Than when he decided to make AA we heard about the dreaded "Vacaville" weekends. We choose to play AA and suffer through it... and yes even 8 years ago there were talks about broken in cars and crappy food. We complained that CAHA was in the pockets of this club or that club just like people are doing now.
 Now, this year we will most likely have to make the trip again with my daughter. We can choose not to sign her up for AA, we can choose not to place her on a team that travels out of state or up north at all,we can choose not to pull her out of school to miss any days,  we can choose for her not to play hockey at all. What is my point, we are the consumers and ultimately responsible for what we do with our money. Our decisions will shape our reality. Don't want to go to Vacaville or San Jose, or miss so many days of school, than don't sign up on any teams that do any of those.


I would suggest that any player at the Peewee level simply play A.   You stop at states anyways.  Save your money.  What exactly are you chasing when your kid is 11-12?


If you all play A instead of AA, the talent level would be the same, and you will save about 3-5k to boot.
Ummm....


This is a Bantam thread.  :-[
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 09, 2018, 10:51:04 AM






Once again, I will state what I did in the beginning...follow the money and the answers will show themselves.


You really believe that everything should have been scrapped up north and rescheduled in SoCal just to accommodate?  Are we all that entitled now to go without inconvenience?  We are entitled to the nicer facilities?


I don't know about you but I get up at 4:30 or 5 every morning for one reason.  Money.  These are not non profit organizations designed to get little Johnny to the Bigs.  It takes a little electricity to keep the water solid and money to pay the taxes.  Who the hell are you to tell someone else how to run their business?  Don't like it, open you own rink and have Bernie Sanders run it for you.  Free ice for everyone.  Become a board member.  Start your own hockey association.  There is still a small amount of freedom left in California.  Jump on the opportunity before it is entirely gone.


Puck Yeah, here is where you are wrong.  This is a statewide non-profit organization. When you are elected or appointed to CAHA your obligation is to the players and their families , not the club you own or work.  You can't be serious that if you were a member or this organization you wouldn't have thought of the consequences of placing every So Cal team in a flight?  There are other things that could have been done.  Hell, parents would gladly have paid a stipend to get out of traveling up there to meet the ice slots.  The ice isn't that expensive.  Instead parents got fleeced into multiple weekends of their life, hours in the car or airport and hotel rooms. 
I think you need to be honest with yourself.  Laura, Ben and the rest of the board need to be held accountable.  We all get up early to make money Puck Yeah. 
We've bitched about this for 8 months.  The dumb mistakes of that organization continue to come up over and over again. And many of us give hundreds of hours of our time to youth hockey for free.   
Now maybe you can help come up with a solution to keep players in the state that are leaving in droves and to help CAHA get exposure to some of our outstanding AA players.  Because kids are not getting seen on the national level in this state and it is wrong.


While trying to avoid being too much of an ass:  I say this at least half seriously, maybe in-house is a better option for you.


Tier hockey is the most damn expensive, hassle filled, time consuming crazy obligation I have ever loved.   Love it for what it is not for what it ain't.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on February 09, 2018, 10:54:41 AM
So let's play this out with the suggestion that ice contracts are awarded after the flights have been made. Where would the games be played out? Most likely rinks that have more than one sheet right? Lakewood, El Segundo, Anaheim, Riverside, San Jose. You don't think people will start complaining that CAHA is in the pockets of the three major clubs only to support their profits and agendas?  Oh wait, people are already saying that. I am not arguing that having 8 socal teams going to Vacaville to play each other is logistically stupid.
I went through this 10 years ago with my son. When he was a squirt and we chose to play A I would "complain" that the SCAHA board was useless with making teams travel to Bakersfield. Pretty much for all the same reasons I hear on this topic now. Than when he decided to make AA we heard about the dreaded "Vacaville" weekends. We choose to play AA and suffer through it... and yes even 8 years ago there were talks about broken in cars and crappy food. We complained that CAHA was in the pockets of this club or that club just like people are doing now.
 Now, this year we will most likely have to make the trip again with my daughter. We can choose not to sign her up for AA, we can choose not to place her on a team that travels out of state or up north at all,we can choose not to pull her out of school to miss any days,  we can choose for her not to play hockey at all. What is my point, we are the consumers and ultimately responsible for what we do with our money. Our decisions will shape our reality. Don't want to go to Vacaville or San Jose, or miss so many days of school, than don't sign up on any teams that do any of those.


I would suggest that any player at the Peewee level simply play A.   You stop at states anyways.  Save your money.  What exactly are you chasing when your kid is 11-12?


If you all play A instead of AA, the talent level would be the same, and you will save about 3-5k to boot.
Ummm....


This is a Bantam thread.  :-[


well crap. :)  then if you do not make the first flight, drop and Play A hockey, and La cross and save a sh*ton of money

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 09, 2018, 11:00:33 AM
So let's play this out with the suggestion that ice contracts are awarded after the flights have been made. Where would the games be played out? Most likely rinks that have more than one sheet right? Lakewood, El Segundo, Anaheim, Riverside, San Jose. You don't think people will start complaining that CAHA is in the pockets of the three major clubs only to support their profits and agendas?  Oh wait, people are already saying that. I am not arguing that having 8 socal teams going to Vacaville to play each other is logistically stupid.
I went through this 10 years ago with my son. When he was a squirt and we chose to play A I would "complain" that the SCAHA board was useless with making teams travel to Bakersfield. Pretty much for all the same reasons I hear on this topic now. Than when he decided to make AA we heard about the dreaded "Vacaville" weekends. We choose to play AA and suffer through it... and yes even 8 years ago there were talks about broken in cars and crappy food. We complained that CAHA was in the pockets of this club or that club just like people are doing now.
 Now, this year we will most likely have to make the trip again with my daughter. We can choose not to sign her up for AA, we can choose not to place her on a team that travels out of state or up north at all,we can choose not to pull her out of school to miss any days,  we can choose for her not to play hockey at all. What is my point, we are the consumers and ultimately responsible for what we do with our money. Our decisions will shape our reality. Don't want to go to Vacaville or San Jose, or miss so many days of school, than don't sign up on any teams that do any of those.


I would suggest that any player at the Peewee level simply play A.   You stop at states anyways.  Save your money.  What exactly are you chasing when your kid is 11-12?


If you all play A instead of AA, the talent level would be the same, and you will save about 3-5k to boot.
Ummm....


This is a Bantam thread.  :-[


well crap. :)  then if you do not make the first flight, drop and Play A hockey, and La cross and save a sh*ton of money
We go out of our flight 2 team in pre season and stuck with High School Hockey,  best decision I could have made all year.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on February 09, 2018, 11:21:01 AM
I find that strategy refreshing.   I feel this thread is like the mantra "we dislike gas and oil companies,  yet we all drive gas burning cars non the less".  There is really only one way to effect change.  Stop playing AA,  Play Highschool or A.   If everyone does it.. you will be playing the same talent, same competition. at 1/2 the cost and you sidestep all the CAHA madness.   Honestly, no one is really scouting AA anyways, so the rationale that you have to play AA is abit self serving.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 09, 2018, 11:27:19 AM
i will say that the ADHSL league, still needs some work, the scheduling is a mess and games on CaHa weekends, weeks with out a game, and the player turnout and commitment at times can be a little poor, especially when you have travel kids. We left the team for other reasons, but looking back at how the team we left did and whats happening with the CAHA madess it looks like we dodged a bullet, but still had a good season.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on February 09, 2018, 01:34:06 PM
The problem with the current state of affairs, if you want to play club beyond Bantam, you have to play Tier.  Otherwise you have to play in the glorified in house league AKA High School. Therefore, you want to play at least one year of AA before Midget. It is a big jump from Bantam A to Midget AA. 


There are signs of this changing since they are now charging full price for High School but, that remains to be seen. We can thank the Ducks for messing everything up...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 09, 2018, 01:40:03 PM
The problem with the current state of affairs, if you want to play club beyond Bantam, you have to play Tier.  Otherwise you have to play in the glorified in house league AKA High School. Therefore, you want to play at least one year of AA before Midget. It is a big jump from Bantam A to Midget AA. 


There are signs of this changing since they are now charging full price for High School but, that remains to be seen. We can thank the Ducks for messing everything up...
The HS League skill level it's pretty good calling it in house is not correct IMO.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 09, 2018, 01:43:36 PM
There are signs of this changing since they are now charging full price for High School but, that remains to be seen. We can thank the Ducks for messing everything up...


what do you feel the Ducks did to mess up the league, im curious?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on February 09, 2018, 02:23:27 PM
There are signs of this changing since they are now charging full price for High School but, that remains to be seen. We can thank the Ducks for messing everything up...


what do you feel the Ducks did to mess up the league, im curious?


Where have you been? 


The Ducks in a pure power grab created the High School league with their money and influence.  They wanted full control of hockey in SoCal and to take things away from clubs, SCAHA and CAHA.  This year the Kings also joined in on the power move.  However, a lot of people are rumbling about having the pay full price.  They simply do not see a cost versus benefit for the skill level of a glorified in house league. I for one hope that more people choose club hockey in the future.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 09, 2018, 02:35:45 PM
There are signs of this changing since they are now charging full price for High School but, that remains to be seen. We can thank the Ducks for messing everything up...


what do you feel the Ducks did to mess up the league, im curious?


Where have you been? 


The Ducks in a pure power grab created the High School league with their money and influence.  They wanted full control of hockey in SoCal and to take things away from clubs, SCAHA and CAHA.  This year the Kings also joined in on the power move.  However, a lot of people are rumbling about having the pay full price.  They simply do not see a cost versus benefit for the skill level of a glorified in house league. I for one hope that more people choose club hockey in the future.


The price we paid for HS was about $1000 less than the club we were on, we are getting the same amount of ice time that we got for the club team, we are not nickel and dimed to death with little extra costs each week which seems to come with travel, we don’t need travel to BFE each month. The Skill level is on par with AA (maybe a smidge less), all the kids go to the same school or surrounding neighborhoods instead of being from all over and only seeing them at the rink. Most of our kids are not going pro…so I feel the HS is a great alternative at this age level.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on February 09, 2018, 04:15:44 PM
HS hockey in SoCal must be different than in NorCal.  In NorCal there is a big skill level difference - especially compared to flight 1 AA teams.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Portent on February 09, 2018, 10:16:40 PM

The Ducks didn't create the HS league as a power grab for money or control. Geez, some people need to review the USA hockey stats on memberships. Male membership has been on the decline in the 2nd year Bantam through midgets for years. The Ducks looked for ways to not only keep those players from leaving, but also how to grow the numbers. They researched what was being done in other parts of the country where the decline is less. Playing HS hockey was an alternative and they decided to run with it. They heavily subsidize the first few years of new clubs to help them gain some footing. Doesn't sound like a money grab to me. Besides, don't we always have those parents complain that we should be doing it like the east coast anyways... I will make no argument on the quality of the HS teams, that will just take time.
However, getting back to the point. Because of the HS league, local club push, and other factors California is one of the highest growing states in terms of membership right now. Pretty much across most levels.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 10, 2018, 10:08:06 AM

The Ducks didn't create the HS league as a power grab for money or control. Geez, some people need to review the USA hockey stats on memberships. Male membership has been on the decline in the 2nd year Bantam through midgets for years. The Ducks looked for ways to not only keep those players from leaving, but also how to grow the numbers. They researched what was being done in other parts of the country where the decline is less. Playing HS hockey was an alternative and they decided to run with it. They heavily subsidize the first few years of new clubs to help them gain some footing. Doesn't sound like a money grab to me. Besides, don't we always have those parents complain that we should be doing it like the east coast anyways... I will make no argument on the quality of the HS teams, that will just take time.
However, getting back to the point. Because of the HS league, local club push, and other factors California is one of the highest growing states in terms of membership right now. Pretty much across most levels.
Sorry, it' not like they do it out of the goodness of their heart.  It' a good/inexpensive marketing tool for the Ducks.  But more importantly, the kids registered in the WHOLE high school league counts towards the JD registered players, thus giving the JD more power in SCAHA.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 10, 2018, 10:12:00 AM

The Ducks didn't create the HS league as a power grab for money or control. Geez, some people need to review the USA hockey stats on memberships. Male membership has been on the decline in the 2nd year Bantam through midgets for years. The Ducks looked for ways to not only keep those players from leaving, but also how to grow the numbers. They researched what was being done in other parts of the country where the decline is less. Playing HS hockey was an alternative and they decided to run with it. They heavily subsidize the first few years of new clubs to help them gain some footing. Doesn't sound like a money grab to me. Besides, don't we always have those parents complain that we should be doing it like the east coast anyways... I will make no argument on the quality of the HS teams, that will just take time.
However, getting back to the point. Because of the HS league, local club push, and other factors California is one of the highest growing states in terms of membership right now. Pretty much across most levels.
Sorry, it' not like they do it out of the goodness of their heart.  It' a good/inexpensive marketing tool for the Ducks.  But more importantly, the kids registered in the WHOLE high school league counts towards the JD registered players, thus giving the JD more power in SCAHA.


by what mechanism?  What is the power that they acquire?  Legit question not a challenge, you have to preface these things to avoid getting flamed on these boards.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 10, 2018, 10:24:59 AM

The Ducks didn't create the HS league as a power grab for money or control. Geez, some people need to review the USA hockey stats on memberships. Male membership has been on the decline in the 2nd year Bantam through midgets for years. The Ducks looked for ways to not only keep those players from leaving, but also how to grow the numbers. They researched what was being done in other parts of the country where the decline is less. Playing HS hockey was an alternative and they decided to run with it. They heavily subsidize the first few years of new clubs to help them gain some footing. Doesn't sound like a money grab to me. Besides, don't we always have those parents complain that we should be doing it like the east coast anyways... I will make no argument on the quality of the HS teams, that will just take time.
However, getting back to the point. Because of the HS league, local club push, and other factors California is one of the highest growing states in terms of membership right now. Pretty much across most levels.
Sorry, it' not like they do it out of the goodness of their heart.  It' a good/inexpensive marketing tool for the Ducks.  But more importantly, the kids registered in the WHOLE high school league counts towards the JD registered players, thus giving the JD more power in SCAHA.


by what mechanism?  What is the power that they acquire?  Legit question not a challenge, you have to preface these things to avoid getting flamed on these boards.
From my understanding, the more registered players you have in your system ( that I believe also includes adult league but not sure) the more voting power you have.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 10, 2018, 10:30:08 AM
.....nothing wrong with what they are douing under the present guidelines.  Trying to gain more market share. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 10, 2018, 10:52:22 AM
Do you know how the voting power is actually rationed?

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on February 10, 2018, 12:55:57 PM
One club. One vote




Membership only comes into play when voting for
Caha elected positions
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Strawman on February 10, 2018, 03:56:29 PM
One club. One vote




Membership only comes into play when voting for
Caha elected positions
Membership determines a club's voting power for the CAHA Board.  (CAHA Bylaws, Section 39.2)  The Board, in turn, elects all the Executive Officers of CAHA and appoints all the Executive Committees.  (CAHA Bylaws, Sections 40, 41.)  The Board, Executive Officers, and Executive Committees essentially make all the decisions or appoint those who do.  (CAHA Bylaws, Addenda B-D.)

That kind of sounds like the definition of power to me.


Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Strawman on February 10, 2018, 04:26:19 PM
One club. One vote




Membership only comes into play when voting for
Caha elected positions

Forgive me but that's a bit saying "the census isn't important because it only comes into play when determining how many members of the House of Representatives and Electoral College each state has."

Under CAHA's bylaws, a club's membership numbers determine its voting power for the CAHA Board.  (CAHA Bylaws, Section 39.2)  The Board, in turn, elects the Executive Officers of CAHA and appoints the Executive Committees.  (CAHA Bylaws, Sections 40, 41.)  Collectively the Board, Executive Officers, and Executive Committees make all the decisions or appoint those who do.  (CAHA Bylaws, Addenda B-D.)

That kind of sounds like the definition of power to me.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 10, 2018, 04:35:50 PM
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.  Although maybe CAHA needs a 2 member Senate for each club too so small clubs don't get steam rolled?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Strawman on February 10, 2018, 05:49:36 PM
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.  Although maybe CAHA needs a 2 member Senate for each club too so small clubs don't get steam rolled?


Puck Yeah, I get it.  "Life's a bitch and then you die, so suck it up buttercup or just kill yourself right now."  I get a kick out of your relentlessly dark, Ayn Randian view of life, I really do.  Your posts remind me of Max von Sydow's monologues in "Hannah and Her Sisters," which were funny in 1986.

But to return to the idea that got this discussion started, CAHA's own bylaws state that the association exists "To encourage, foster and promote the development of the sport of amateur ice hockey within the State of California."  (CAHA Bylaws, Section 28(a))  They also provide that "CAHA shall not be operated in a manner which will generate pecuniary gain or profit for any Member Association or individual and is organized solely for nonprofit purposes."  (CAHA Bylaws, Section 29.2)

You'd expect no less from a non-profit youth sports association, right?  Folks on this board gripe about a lot of stupid things that aren't important, and important things about which reasonable minds can differ.  But sometimes CAHA does things that nobody can defend with a straight face (which is probably why you don't even try), like for example changing rules to benefit the clubs that run CAHA to the disadvantage of the one's that don't (and then changing them back the next year when that suits them again), or making dozens of SoCal families collectively spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to treck up to NorCal to play other SoCal teams for no apparent reason other than maybe to line some board member's pockets.  Your solution seems to be for the complainers to pull their kids out of hockey and maybe play frisbee or join their school chess club instead.  But it shouldn't be too much to hold CAHA to its own stated purpose for existence, but as Trans tried to point out, its bylaws sometimes encourage the opposite.




Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 10, 2018, 06:43:29 PM
So I guess some flight 2 teams would have done ok in flight 1.

Saints 4
Jr sharks 0
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stark on February 10, 2018, 09:29:34 PM
Feb 10, 2018
San Jose Jr Sharks 16AA       4
Pasadena Maple Leafs 16AA   3

https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/oss-scoresheet?game_id=16051&mode=display

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 10, 2018, 09:53:04 PM
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.  Although maybe CAHA needs a 2 member Senate for each club too so small clubs don't get steam rolled?


Puck Yeah, I get it.  "Life's a bitch and then you die, so suck it up buttercup or just kill yourself right now."  I get a kick out of your relentlessly dark, Ayn Randian view of life, I really do.  Your posts remind me of Max von Sydow's monologues in "Hannah and Her Sisters," which were funny in 1986.

But to return to the idea that got this discussion started, CAHA's own bylaws state that the association exists "To encourage, foster and promote the development of the sport of amateur ice hockey within the State of California."  (CAHA Bylaws, Section 28(a))  They also provide that "CAHA shall not be operated in a manner which will generate pecuniary gain or profit for any Member Association or individual and is organized solely for nonprofit purposes."  (CAHA Bylaws, Section 29.2)

You'd expect no less from a non-profit youth sports association, right?  Folks on this board gripe about a lot of stupid things that aren't important, and important things about which reasonable minds can differ.  But sometimes CAHA does things that nobody can defend with a straight face (which is probably why you don't even try), like for example changing rules to benefit the clubs that run CAHA to the disadvantage of the one's that don't (and then changing them back the next year when that suits them again), or making dozens of SoCal families collectively spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to treck up to NorCal to play other SoCal teams for no apparent reason other than maybe to line some board member's pockets.  Your solution seems to be for the complainers to pull their kids out of hockey and maybe play frisbee or join their school chess club instead.  But it shouldn't be too much to hold CAHA to its own stated purpose for existence, but as Trans tried to point out, its bylaws sometimes encourage the opposite.



Some of us are just more free market and capitalist and others are more socialist I guess.  The free market system is the worse system on the planet except for all the others.


It is a plague that has taken a serious hold on America.  The "do something" crowd.  Don't like something pass a law, sue, protest.  Offended, silence the opposition.  How about dealing with the reality of life as it comes and make decisions based on that?


"The folks on this gripe about things that aren't important"  We agree.  Other than the fun, the adventure, the comradery, and experiencing team play, youth hockey is not all that important.  If you really believe your kid is NHL material, do what you have to do to put him in the circumstance that will provide the opportunity. That is a lot more expensive than a few trips to Vacaville or San Jose.  He should not be playing AA, he needs to be in AAA.  Nobody looks at AA for the next big deal.   


If he ISN'T NHL bound then what the hell difference does it make?  Play High School, Play A and be a Star.


I read 20 to 30 books a year so I am embarrassed to admit that I have never read Atlas Shrugged.  You may be my inspiration to get to it.  As far as you other reference, I have contempt for Hollywood and rarely watch film.


I am probably closer to the ideology of Thomas Sowell than Ayn Randian. 


" Life in general has never been even close to fair, so the pretense that the government can make it fair is a valuable and inexhaustible asset to politicians who want to expand government." ~  Thomas Sowell   
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 12, 2018, 08:35:30 AM
so when does the Filght 1 vs Flight 2 game happen?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: goonhockey on February 12, 2018, 08:41:58 AM
so when does the Filght 1 vs Flight 2 game happen?


https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/oss-scoresheet?game_id=16050&mode=display
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 12, 2018, 09:02:42 AM
so when does the Filght 1 vs Flight 2 game happen?


https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/oss-scoresheet?game_id=16050&mode=display (https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/oss-scoresheet?game_id=16050&mode=display)


NICE flight 2 wins!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: SkatingDad on February 12, 2018, 04:14:05 PM
Looks like SCAHA has a new website.  It is better than the last piece of crap but, it is still not a mobile enabled website.  If the people making these decisions do not understand that at least half of the traffic is from mobile devices, they need to stop making technology decisions because they do not have a clue what they are doing.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 12, 2018, 04:18:49 PM

SCAHA Website
Feb 11, 2018  6:56 PM
Welcome to the new SCAHA website.
The new site is currently under development and not fully functional yet. The temporarly was made as a result of technical issues with the current site. We will switch back go the current site once all technical issues have been resolved.
We apologize for any inconvience this may have cuased you and thank you for your patience and understanding.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BBNMCAS on February 12, 2018, 07:55:17 PM
Looks like SCAHA has a new website.  It is better than the last piece of crap but, it is still not a mobile enabled website.  If the people making these decisions do not understand that at least half of the traffic is from mobile devices, they need to stop making technology decisions because they do not have a clue what they are doing.


I had issues accessing the SCAHA website using Google Chrome but I had no problems with Firefox on my phone.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 12, 2018, 08:07:30 PM
I noticed it being down the last day or two
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: dreal on February 12, 2018, 11:04:20 PM
I have been involved in the sport of Travel Hockey for the past 11 years.  I have two boys, and they both started playing hockey at Mite B and currently,  the oldest son is completing a successful season at Midget 16AA, while my younger son completes his final Bantam AA season.  We have avoided the AAA level due to academic and financial considerations.  I have listened to parents that have personally participated, and watched their boys, play at all levels from Mite B, thru Juniors, and beyond.   In speaking to these parents, it occurred to me to "work the journey from the destination."  Where do you want your son/daughter to finish their hockey career?  College, Juniors, AAA, Semi-Pro, Europe, NHL?  How much to you want to spend to arrive at that destination?  Does your son/daughter share your passion? 

In speaking to a informed hockey dad, he had the opportunity to play Juniors as a teenager in Canada.  He also had the opportunity to attend College and become an Engineer. He decided to forgo Juniors, attend College, while his friends moved into the ranks of Juniors for the next few years.  His friends enjoyed their experience, but only one returned to attend College and did not fully enjoy the experience due to the fact that he was "older" than the incoming freshman.  His other friends finished Juniors, lost interest in school and moved into the workforce.  In the meantime, my friend finished College and is now working as a successful engineer.  He plays hockey weekly with other men that played Youth/Travel, AA, AAA, Juniors, Semi-Pro and in the NHL.  ALL of them finish their weekly game and return to WORK the next day.  In speaking to a BCHL Head Coach, he informed me that the average NHL career is 3 years and that 90% of former NHL players need to find employment at the end of their careers.  Although this may not be indicative of everyone, my point is, everyone ends up at the same spot....

My boys have had an amazing journey playing youth hockey while my wife and I have watched them develop into responsible young men and good hockey players.  We have traveled throughout the United States and Canada to participate in Tournaments which enabled the kids to see and experience a world they may never know.  Furthermore, they have made amazing friendships that will last long past their hockey careers.  Next season, my boys will play together on the same team, High School, for the first time since Mites.  I recognize that High School isn't quite the level of AAA or some AA teams but nonetheless, where does their journey end?  I fully believe that they love the game and that they can play competitive hockey for as long as they like.  The values, ethics and ability to work as a team, that they learned playing this game, will hopefully make them a valuable asset while pursuing any future endeavors.  Everyone, including the players, must make their own decisions...These are my thoughts as the boys end their Club Hockey experience. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 13, 2018, 05:29:36 AM
I have been involved in the sport of Travel Hockey for the past 11 years.  I have two boys, and they both started playing hockey at Mite B and currently,  the oldest son is completing a successful season at Midget 16AA, while my younger son completes his final Bantam AA season.  We have avoided the AAA level due to academic and financial considerations.  I have listened to parents that have personally participated, and watched their boys, play at all levels from Mite B, thru Juniors, and beyond.   In speaking to these parents, it occurred to me to "work the journey from the destination."  Where do you want your son/daughter to finish their hockey career?  College, Juniors, AAA, Semi-Pro, Europe, NHL?  How much to you want to spend to arrive at that destination?  Does your son/daughter share your passion? 

In speaking to a informed hockey dad, he had the opportunity to play Juniors as a teenager in Canada.  He also had the opportunity to attend College and become an Engineer. He decided to forgo Juniors, attend College, while his friends moved into the ranks of Juniors for the next few years.  His friends enjoyed their experience, but only one returned to attend College and did not fully enjoy the experience due to the fact that he was "older" than the incoming freshman.  His other friends finished Juniors, lost interest in school and moved into the workforce.  In the meantime, my friend finished College and is now working as a successful engineer.  He plays hockey weekly with other men that played Youth/Travel, AA, AAA, Juniors, Semi-Pro and in the NHL.  ALL of them finish their weekly game and return to WORK the next day.  In speaking to a BCHL Head Coach, he informed me that the average NHL career is 3 years and that 90% of former NHL players need to find employment at the end of their careers.  Although this may not be indicative of everyone, my point is, everyone ends up at the same spot....

My boys have had an amazing journey playing youth hockey while my wife and I have watched them develop into responsible young men and good hockey players.  We have traveled throughout the United States and Canada to participate in Tournaments which enabled the kids to see and experience a world they may never know.  Furthermore, they have made amazing friendships that will last long past their hockey careers.  Next season, my boys will play together on the same team, High School, for the first time since Mites.  I recognize that High School isn't quite the level of AAA or some AA teams but nonetheless, where does their journey end?  I fully believe that they love the game and that they can play competitive hockey for as long as they like.  The values, ethics and ability to work as a team, that they learned playing this game, will hopefully make them a valuable asset while pursuing any future endeavors.  Everyone, including the players, must make their own decisions...These are my thoughts as the boys end their Club Hockey experience. 

This should be a mandatory posting on every parents refrigerator, starting at Mites.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 13, 2018, 06:39:34 AM
I have been involved in the sport of Travel Hockey for the past 11 years.  I have two boys, and they both started playing hockey at Mite B and currently,  the oldest son is completing a successful season at Midget 16AA, while my younger son completes his final Bantam AA season.  We have avoided the AAA level due to academic and financial considerations.  I have listened to parents that have personally participated, and watched their boys, play at all levels from Mite B, thru Juniors, and beyond.   In speaking to these parents, it occurred to me to "work the journey from the destination."  Where do you want your son/daughter to finish their hockey career?  College, Juniors, AAA, Semi-Pro, Europe, NHL?  How much to you want to spend to arrive at that destination?  Does your son/daughter share your passion? 

In speaking to a informed hockey dad, he had the opportunity to play Juniors as a teenager in Canada.  He also had the opportunity to attend College and become an Engineer. He decided to forgo Juniors, attend College, while his friends moved into the ranks of Juniors for the next few years.  His friends enjoyed their experience, but only one returned to attend College and did not fully enjoy the experience due to the fact that he was "older" than the incoming freshman.  His other friends finished Juniors, lost interest in school and moved into the workforce.  In the meantime, my friend finished College and is now working as a successful engineer.  He plays hockey weekly with other men that played Youth/Travel, AA, AAA, Juniors, Semi-Pro and in the NHL.  ALL of them finish their weekly game and return to WORK the next day.  In speaking to a BCHL Head Coach, he informed me that the average NHL career is 3 years and that 90% of former NHL players need to find employment at the end of their careers.  Although this may not be indicative of everyone, my point is, everyone ends up at the same spot....

My boys have had an amazing journey playing youth hockey while my wife and I have watched them develop into responsible young men and good hockey players.  We have traveled throughout the United States and Canada to participate in Tournaments which enabled the kids to see and experience a world they may never know.  Furthermore, they have made amazing friendships that will last long past their hockey careers.  Next season, my boys will play together on the same team, High School, for the first time since Mites.  I recognize that High School isn't quite the level of AAA or some AA teams but nonetheless, where does their journey end?  I fully believe that they love the game and that they can play competitive hockey for as long as they like.  The values, ethics and ability to work as a team, that they learned playing this game, will hopefully make them a valuable asset while pursuing any future endeavors.  Everyone, including the players, must make their own decisions...These are my thoughts as the boys end their Club Hockey experience. 

Great post!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on February 13, 2018, 07:20:33 AM
I have been involved in the sport of Travel Hockey for the past 11 years.  I have two boys, and they both started playing hockey at Mite B and currently,  the oldest son is completing a successful season at Midget 16AA, while my younger son completes his final Bantam AA season.  We have avoided the AAA level due to academic and financial considerations.  I have listened to parents that have personally participated, and watched their boys, play at all levels from Mite B, thru Juniors, and beyond.   In speaking to these parents, it occurred to me to "work the journey from the destination."  Where do you want your son/daughter to finish their hockey career?  College, Juniors, AAA, Semi-Pro, Europe, NHL?  How much to you want to spend to arrive at that destination?  Does your son/daughter share your passion? 

In speaking to a informed hockey dad, he had the opportunity to play Juniors as a teenager in Canada.  He also had the opportunity to attend College and become an Engineer. He decided to forgo Juniors, attend College, while his friends moved into the ranks of Juniors for the next few years.  His friends enjoyed their experience, but only one returned to attend College and did not fully enjoy the experience due to the fact that he was "older" than the incoming freshman.  His other friends finished Juniors, lost interest in school and moved into the workforce.  In the meantime, my friend finished College and is now working as a successful engineer.  He plays hockey weekly with other men that played Youth/Travel, AA, AAA, Juniors, Semi-Pro and in the NHL.  ALL of them finish their weekly game and return to WORK the next day.  In speaking to a BCHL Head Coach, he informed me that the average NHL career is 3 years and that 90% of former NHL players need to find employment at the end of their careers.  Although this may not be indicative of everyone, my point is, everyone ends up at the same spot....

My boys have had an amazing journey playing youth hockey while my wife and I have watched them develop into responsible young men and good hockey players.  We have traveled throughout the United States and Canada to participate in Tournaments which enabled the kids to see and experience a world they may never know.  Furthermore, they have made amazing friendships that will last long past their hockey careers.  Next season, my boys will play together on the same team, High School, for the first time since Mites.  I recognize that High School isn't quite the level of AAA or some AA teams but nonetheless, where does their journey end?  I fully believe that they love the game and that they can play competitive hockey for as long as they like.  The values, ethics and ability to work as a team, that they learned playing this game, will hopefully make them a valuable asset while pursuing any future endeavors.  Everyone, including the players, must make their own decisions...These are my thoughts as the boys end their Club Hockey experience. 


Great post!




Someone pass this along to Crash
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: goonhockey on February 13, 2018, 07:42:05 AM
where is crash?!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on February 13, 2018, 08:14:44 AM
I have been involved in the sport of Travel Hockey for the past 11 years.  I have two boys, and they both started playing hockey at Mite B and currently,  the oldest son is completing a successful season at Midget 16AA, while my younger son completes his final Bantam AA season.  We have avoided the AAA level due to academic and financial considerations.  I have listened to parents that have personally participated, and watched their boys, play at all levels from Mite B, thru Juniors, and beyond.   In speaking to these parents, it occurred to me to "work the journey from the destination."  Where do you want your son/daughter to finish their hockey career?  College, Juniors, AAA, Semi-Pro, Europe, NHL?  How much to you want to spend to arrive at that destination?  Does your son/daughter share your passion? 

In speaking to a informed hockey dad, he had the opportunity to play Juniors as a teenager in Canada.  He also had the opportunity to attend College and become an Engineer. He decided to forgo Juniors, attend College, while his friends moved into the ranks of Juniors for the next few years.  His friends enjoyed their experience, but only one returned to attend College and did not fully enjoy the experience due to the fact that he was "older" than the incoming freshman.  His other friends finished Juniors, lost interest in school and moved into the workforce.  In the meantime, my friend finished College and is now working as a successful engineer.  He plays hockey weekly with other men that played Youth/Travel, AA, AAA, Juniors, Semi-Pro and in the NHL.  ALL of them finish their weekly game and return to WORK the next day.  In speaking to a BCHL Head Coach, he informed me that the average NHL career is 3 years and that 90% of former NHL players need to find employment at the end of their careers.  Although this may not be indicative of everyone, my point is, everyone ends up at the same spot....

My boys have had an amazing journey playing youth hockey while my wife and I have watched them develop into responsible young men and good hockey players.  We have traveled throughout the United States and Canada to participate in Tournaments which enabled the kids to see and experience a world they may never know.  Furthermore, they have made amazing friendships that will last long past their hockey careers.  Next season, my boys will play together on the same team, High School, for the first time since Mites.  I recognize that High School isn't quite the level of AAA or some AA teams but nonetheless, where does their journey end?  I fully believe that they love the game and that they can play competitive hockey for as long as they like.  The values, ethics and ability to work as a team, that they learned playing this game, will hopefully make them a valuable asset while pursuing any future endeavors.  Everyone, including the players, must make their own decisions...These are my thoughts as the boys end their Club Hockey experience. 
The best part of this that most parents don't get..... "Does your son or daughter share your passion?" A definitely
important question and should be addressed by the age of 13/14. Great post, friend.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 13, 2018, 09:34:25 AM
I do not believe the AA Flight system is beneficial to AA and I questioned the politics and lack of transparency involved, and was proven 100% correct.  I certainly was not alone in that regard.  The Vacaville fiasco was just part of a continuum of issues dating back to last season.


Someone recently opined that kids should all just play 'A' because AA and A isn't that different.  I don't think that opinion is based in reality or experience.  The difference between 'A' and 'AA' is substantial, and there is no need to bring opinions into it.  Most clubs have AA and A teams, and sometimes those teams practice and scrimmage.  They can tell you how those scrimmages go.  If Peewee AA teams were to play their house Bantam A teams in a no-check game, a lot of the AA teams would beat their Bantam A teams.  This is not to say that there aren't some really good kids in 'A', because there are always kids in 'AA' who would do well in 'AAA'.


In general the difference is that at 'AA' and 'AAA' there is more overall parity.  Kids have the puck on their stick for less time, and the speed of the game and the level of defensive play and back checking is much higher.  Obviously the goaltending tends to be better as well.  Before people lose their minds over these statements I want to repeat that these are aggregate statements and not a value judgement as to the ability of any individual kids.  You can see that year to year kids are able to progress from one level to another, sometimes across age divisions and letter boundaries and have success.  Nobody should take these statements personally as an insult to their kid.  It just happens to be that in general AA teams are substantially better than A teams, who are substantially better than BB, on down the line.


Every so often a team for whatever reason isn't allowed to play AA when they clearly are AA level.  Or in AA this year, there is a Bantam AAA team playing in AA, for completely understandable, justifiable and well within the rules reasons.


That essentially ruins things for everyone else, as those teams cruise through the season demolishing most everyone they face.  Sure they might stumble on a particular day, and there might even be a giant upset that occurs, but more often than not, what everyone expects to happen, happens and David does not slay Goliath.


Every time this occurs it astounds me how little regard there is for the rest of the teams (as many as 18+) who were correctly placed in the appropriate level, who essentially have their season ruined by an uncaring CAHA organization who prioritizes things entirely based on the number of A's in your division.  So long as this is going to be the reality, it behooves people to want to see their kids improve and have a realistic option for moving them into AAA, but in California this just isn't possible for the vast majority of kids, and that is the main problem.


For youth hockey to grow in California, the AAA level needs to grow, and not be artificially limited the way it is currently.  The best thing for 99% of kids is to be playing other kids in their birth year.  This is what AAA offers, and is the best way to get an idea of how your kid is developing vs their peers.  If there were more local AAA teams to play there would be more AAA games that involve a drive and not plane fare, hotels and missed school days.  Over time more kids would be included and the average level of play would improve.   But CAHA says this is wrong, and they need to limit AAA. 


It's a nice fantasy, that people will all in unison just move their kids to 'A' as a CAHA protest, but that simply isn't going to happen.  Every season there is a team or even a few at the top or bottom of any division that could participate and perhaps in some cases benefit from having moved up or down.  But for the most part, teams are in the divisions they are in, because they wouldn't face any competition or experience any challenge or growth if they were in a lower division, and that is very much true in 'AA'.   


In general, older teams are more successful in competition.  This is proven time and time again.   The reality of AA is that you have every sort of age mix possible and thus the likelihood of playing kids older is much greater when you are a 1st year player, and the results are often predictable.


It appears that what is going to happen with the Flight system in AA is that it is going to start to become a place for younger teams to slot in at AA.  At the Peewee level, AA is (ab)used by the AAA franchise clubs to get their "future AAA minor" Peewee kids a chance to face a higher level of competition. 


That may or may not benefit those kids, but it surely does very little for the older kids who have to face them, and the stupidity of the way games are often officiated, with the refs essentially protecting the younger kids in complete ignorance of the actual rulebook and legal body contact.    This year in AA, the Ducks managed to maneuver their 06/07 team into Flight1.  They then went on to get beat up all season by the legit flight1 teams, came in last, and on the way lost to Flight2 teams 3x, while also managing by some strange coincidence to never ever face the +80 goal differential Flight2 team.  Funny how that happened BTW, considering that team played every other socal team multiple times.


Which brings me to the Flighting.  Lots of people were concerned that bias would lead to bad flighting as well as deny the inevitable outcomes that occur each season as there are always teams that start the season behind others which have an early season advantage in coach and roster continuity, only to develop into playoff contenders by season end.  CAHA basically just lied about this, and admitted later that they flighted teams pre-jamboree and really only looked at jamboree results to determine whether or not teams on their bubble list should be moved.


And how did they do?


Peewee AA, Flight2 team won playin 5-2
Bantam AA, Flight2 team won playin 4-0
U-16 AA, Flight 2 team lost playin 3-4


Well done CAHA, take a victory lap.  Your emergency "well if we made a small booboo this will fix it"  playin mechanism just validates that people told you they were not confident in your assessment system, and for good reason.  Sure it's nice to goto playdowns, but that wasn't the point -- the point was that CAHA sold everyone that placement would ensure more competition for everyone, but all you did was screw over teams that deserved to be in the top flight and denied them the very thing this system was supposed to insure. 


Furthermore, as the season started for Peewee AA, there were 4 Norcal teams.  We played 1!  All season.  One was dropped to A, and the other 3 were placed in Flight1.  Again, CAHA you exist to provide scheduling for Norcal and Socal teams to face each other. You have no other reason for being, and if you now are primarily interested in finding ways to make sure that far fewer socal teams play the Norcal teams, you should go back to your origination story and try and find the thread you've lost along the way.


I don't know the Bantam teams the way you all do, but in talking to some of my friends who have kids in the division, as well as looking at results, it looks like Bantam had multiple teams that were misplaced, and I would have to say at this point that the same was true in PeeweeAA.  CAHA's evaluation system should get an F this year.


Next year CAHA says it's going to do better.  The question is, why should anyone believe them?




Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 13, 2018, 09:52:45 AM
I do not believe the AA Flight system is beneficial to AA and I questioned the politics and lack of transparency involved, and was proven 100% correct.  I certainly was not alone in that regard.  The Vacaville fiasco was just part of a continuum of issues dating back to last season.


Someone recently opined that kids should all just play 'A' because AA and A isn't that different.  I don't think that opinion is based in reality or experience.  The difference between 'A' and 'AA' is substantial, and there is no need to bring opinions into it.  Most clubs have AA and A teams, and sometimes those teams practice and scrimmage.  They can tell you how those scrimmages go.  If Peewee AA teams were to play their house Bantam A teams in a no-check game, a lot of the AA teams would beat their Bantam A teams.  This is not to say that there aren't some really good kids in 'A', because there are always kids in 'AA' who would do well in 'AAA'.


In general the difference is that at 'AA' and 'AAA' there is more overall parity.  Kids have the puck on their stick for less time, and the speed of the game and the level of defensive play and back checking is much higher.  Obviously the goaltending tends to be better as well.  Before people lose their minds over these statements I want to repeat that these are aggregate statements and not a value judgement as to the ability of any individual kids.  You can see that year to year kids are able to progress from one level to another, sometimes across age divisions and letter boundaries and have success.  Nobody should take these statements personally as an insult to their kid.  It just happens to be that in general AA teams are substantially better than A teams, who are substantially better than BB, on down the line.


Every so often a team for whatever reason isn't allowed to play AA when they clearly are AA level.  Or in AA this year, there is a Bantam AAA team playing in AA, for completely understandable, justifiable and well within the rules reasons.


That essentially ruins things for everyone else, as those teams cruise through the season demolishing most everyone they face.  Sure they might stumble on a particular day, and there might even be a giant upset that occurs, but more often than not, what everyone expects to happen, happens and David does not slay Goliath.


Every time this occurs it astounds me how little regard there is for the rest of the teams (as many as 18+) who were correctly placed in the appropriate level, who essentially have their season ruined by an uncaring CAHA organization who prioritizes things entirely based on the number of A's in your division.  So long as this is going to be the reality, it behooves people to want to see their kids improve and have a realistic option for moving them into AAA, but in California this just isn't possible for the vast majority of kids, and that is the main problem.


For youth hockey to grow in California, the AAA level needs to grow, and not be artificially limited the way it is currently.  The best thing for 99% of kids is to be playing other kids in their birth year.  This is what AAA offers, and is the best way to get an idea of how your kid is developing vs their peers.  If there were more local AAA teams to play there would be more AAA games that involve a drive and not plane fare, hotels and missed school days.  Over time more kids would be included and the average level of play would improve.   But CAHA says this is wrong, and they need to limit AAA. 


It's a nice fantasy, that people will all in unison just move their kids to 'A' as a CAHA protest, but that simply isn't going to happen.  Every season there is a team or even a few at the top or bottom of any division that could participate and perhaps in some cases benefit from having moved up or down.  But for the most part, teams are in the divisions they are in, because they wouldn't face any competition or experience any challenge or growth if they were in a lower division, and that is very much true in 'AA'.   


In general, older teams are more successful in competition.  This is proven time and time again.   The reality of AA is that you have every sort of age mix possible and thus the likelihood of playing kids older is much greater when you are a 1st year player, and the results are often predictable.


It appears that what is going to happen with the Flight system in AA is that it is going to start to become a place for younger teams to slot in at AA.  At the Peewee level, AA is (ab)used by the AAA franchise clubs to get their "future AAA minor" Peewee kids a chance to face a higher level of competition. 


That may or may not benefit those kids, but it surely does very little for the older kids who have to face them, and the stupidity of the way games are often officiated, with the refs essentially protecting the younger kids in complete ignorance of the actual rulebook and legal body contact.    This year in AA, the Ducks managed to maneuver their 06/07 team into Flight1.  They then went on to get beat up all season by the legit flight1 teams, came in last, and on the way lost to Flight2 teams 3x, while also managing by some strange coincidence to never ever face the +80 goal differential Flight2 team.  Funny how that happened BTW, considering that team played every other socal team multiple times.


Which brings me to the Flighting.  Lots of people were concerned that bias would lead to bad flighting as well as deny the inevitable outcomes that occur each season as there are always teams that start the season behind others which have an early season advantage in coach and roster continuity, only to develop into playoff contenders by season end.  CAHA basically just lied about this, and admitted later that they flighted teams pre-jamboree and really only looked at jamboree results to determine whether or not teams on their bubble list should be moved.


And how did they do?


Peewee AA, Flight2 team won playin 5-2
Bantam AA, Flight2 team won playin 4-0
U-16 AA, Flight 2 team lost playin 3-4


Well done CAHA, take a victory lap.  Your emergency "well if we made a small booboo this will fix it"  playin mechanism just validates that people told you they were not confident in your assessment system, and for good reason.  Sure it's nice to goto playdowns, but that wasn't the point -- the point was that CAHA sold everyone that placement would ensure more competition for everyone, but all you did was screw over teams that deserved to be in the top flight and denied them the very thing this system was supposed to insure. 


Furthermore, as the season started for Peewee AA, there were 4 Norcal teams.  We played 1!  All season.  One was dropped to A, and the other 3 were placed in Flight1.  Again, CAHA you exist to provide scheduling for Norcal and Socal teams to face each other. You have no other reason for being, and if you now are primarily interested in finding ways to make sure that far fewer socal teams play the Norcal teams, you should go back to your origination story and try and find the thread you've lost along the way.


I don't know the Bantam teams the way you all do, but in talking to some of my friends who have kids in the division, as well as looking at results, it looks like Bantam had multiple teams that were misplaced, and I would have to say at this point that the same was true in PeeweeAA.  CAHA's evaluation system should get an F this year.


Next year CAHA says it's going to do better.  The question is, why should anyone believe them?


War and Peace seemed like a faster read.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: 6607 on February 13, 2018, 10:27:08 AM
icadad, having watched the Flyers throughout the season, I would agree that they pass the eye test for Flight 1, and that would seemingly be confirmed by their record in Flight 2.  That being said, one caveat and one question.  The caveat would be that the David’s landed a number of near misses as well.  the question and this applies to the Bantam Saints as well is how did they fare against Flight 1 teams in SCAHA, tournament and exhibition play?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Fowlmood on February 13, 2018, 10:57:08 AM
Exactly!!! Well put Trans.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 13, 2018, 11:52:52 AM
With limited opportunities, more often than not we were competitive, but it's hard to point to SCAHA games.  We had a lot of reconfiguration going on, and had 2 kids quit the team over the course of the season.  Lines and even the D group was in flux until the last month or so.

At the Jamboree we lost to OC1 by a goal and outshot them.  Later in preseason we played em again and lost 7-1, again with shots about even.  A few weeks back we played OC1 again in SCAHA and we were up by a goal with 2 minutes left and managed to lose to them with 12 seconds left or something embarrassing like that.

Early in the season we had a bunch of close Flight1 games we lost by one or 2 goals.   We tied Saints1 5-5 coming back from a 3 goal deficit in the 3rd, which is something you typically don't do when another team is just way better than you.  We had some terrible outings vs. Gulls1 I'd rather forget.

We played well against the JK1's 2x, losing games we could have won, but they smoked us in Vegas at silversticks 4-1 and the game was not as close as the score indicated.

At any rate you can see our whole history  here (http://www.myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2017&t=19172)

Overall, we just thought we had the pedigree and background that indicated we would compete in Flight1 and that there was evidence we would do so.  We started off with 4 '05's who played AA last season, as well as some strong Peewee A players from Bakersfield.  Our team is mostly '05 with 3 '06's.  Although the Flyers didn't have a PWA team last year, their PW BB team was dominant, and could clearly have played A last season, and players from that group have done very well in Flight2 this year as the point totals can attest to. 

We also had a kid from the Bears A team, who for reasons I won't go into, asked for a release to return to the Bears AA, who happily took him back.  Valencia did not have to allow that to happen but they looked at the situation and in consideration of the kid, ok'd it when a lot of clubs would have said no.

I stated after the jamboree that CAHA did not have enough evidence to flight the division and in so doing exclude our team and the ID's and I was right.  By their stated rules, if they couldn't do it fairly and with confidence, they wouldn't flight it.  They had the evidence, but they went ahead and just did it anyway.  Of course what we found out is that, and I quote CAHA: "you were never considered for Flight1.  Your games were used to determine whether the teams you faced should be in Flight1."

That would have been nice to know before the Jamboree, and the pre-season games we sweated out.   I don't know what research they did to determine that our team was a "mid flight2 team" but they claimed that is what our club told them, which I know is complete BS and never happened. 

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 13, 2018, 11:56:26 AM
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War and Peace seemed like a faster read.

So Trans, you are saying you read War and Peace?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 13, 2018, 12:25:33 PM
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War and Peace seemed like a faster read.

So Trans, you are saying you read War and Peace?
   ;D lol
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 13, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
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War and Peace seemed like a faster read.

So Trans, you are saying you read War and Peace?
Opra's reading club
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 13, 2018, 12:37:21 PM
I need to make a sandwich before I read those
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on February 13, 2018, 02:26:52 PM
That would have been nice to know before the Jamboree, and the pre-season games we sweated out.   I don't know what research they did to determine that our team was a "mid flight2 team" but they claimed that is what our club told them, which I know is complete BS and never happened.


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Actually it did happen and I can confirm 100%..... Nice read also! LOL!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 13, 2018, 07:18:20 PM

And how did they do?


Peewee AA, Flight2 team won playin 5-2
Bantam AA, Flight2 team won playin 4-0
U-16 AA, Flight 2 team lost playin 3-4


Well done CAHA, take a victory lap. 



PW AA Flight 1 only won 4 games all season and were -44 on goal diff.
BTN AA Flight 1 won 6 of 18 and were -23
Midget Flight 1  won 2 games and were -35


I don't think a win or a close game in a Flight 2 vs 8th place Flight 1 tells a story of a strong Flight 2 teams that would have been contenders.  Just the opposite.  It paints a picture of very weak Flight 1 teams at the bottom of the standings.


Flighting in Midgets worked out well according to the Midget parents I have spoken with.  There weren't dozens of 10-0 games and for the most part each flight played other teams with at least some parity.  A good way to develop.


Trying not to be personal, but your posts come across as someone that has are real animosity toward CAHA without supporting evidence.  You accuse them of corruption and collusion, that is a charge that should not be tossed about so easily.  Not liking the current system does not rise to the level of corruption.


And respectfully,


"they got it all wrong" is not a solution to the problems you believe exist.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 14, 2018, 10:29:34 AM
Are they planing on telling clubs where fight 2 playdownd are going to be before next year's try outs ?


Just cancel this stupid shit !!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 14, 2018, 10:38:13 AM
Are they planing on telling clubs where fight 2 playdownd are going to be before next year's try outs ?


Just cancel this stupid shit !!

Agree waste of time and money.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 14, 2018, 12:30:08 PM

Puck Yeah,


With all due respect back at you, I have offered up solutions repeatedly, starting with my opinion that Flighting was unneeded at the outset.  There were a good number of people who agreed with me.   I don't know what level your kid(s) are at or playing.  I grew up on the east coast, and youth hockey does quite well there, without flighting.  I'd love to know some traditional long standing youth hockey markets where anything like this exists.   


For our 2 seasons in AA CAHA has experimented on its participants with radical systemic changes.  Should I be thanking them?


If you have all the answers, feel free to provide your world view and correct the things I've stated which were factually incorrect.  I'm sure you know more than I do about the conversations I had with various club reps I know who have provided me with information, not to mention the discussions I had directly with a CAHA board member and the coaches of our team, manager and our club President.     


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I don't think a win or a close game in a Flight 2 vs 8th place Flight 1 tells a story of a strong Flight 2 teams that would have been contenders.  Just the opposite.  It paints a picture of very weak Flight 1 teams at the bottom of the standings.


I really don't even understand your point in regards to the stats you cherry picked.  There were 10 Flight1 teams in PW and Bantam and if CAHA was right about flighting the #8 seeds should have won their games with ease.  You bring zero credibility to the argument when the season is over, and you can look at the stats and use them to support your own bias.  A lot of people were saying that the flighting choices were wonky during and immediately after the jamboree when the "internal rankings" were leaked.


The Flighting was supposedly necessary so that teams did not have to be subjected to a lot of blow outs of teams that they could never hope to beat or even challenge.  If CAHA can't get that right, then the whole idea is a waste of time, because, as you pointed out, there are always stronger teams and weaker teams in any grouping (easily measured over a season by goal differential).


At some point, it just becomes arrogant self congratulation that is often not merited and I find that personally distasteful.  CAHA can't legislate parity with 3 teams in AAA, and it certainly can't legislate it with 12 teams or 16 or 18 teams at AA.  Your bar for our team seems to be, that we can only be validated if we now win a state championship. 


If you don't think an organization is entitled to know before being summoned to the jamboree for an "evaluation" without it being disclosed by whatever decision making "cabal" was involved, that you have essentially no chance of being evaluated as a Flight1 team other than perhaps to win all your jamboree "games", don't you think that should have been communicated to the organization?   Maybe our coaching staff might have done some things differently. 


Feel free to point me to the information provided by CAHA on how the evaluation would work, what criteria would be involved, and how determinations would be made.  I'll save you time -- you can't because there wasn't any.


If people are satisfied with it at U16, they are welcome to that opinion and perhaps this season for U16, the flighting makes sense. 
It's a very different age group from U12 an U14 there are plenty of people who think the flighting was rigged in favor of the more powerful clubs who have people with decision making power within CAHA. 


In U12, Flight2, our team played 5 other socal teams.  Our goal differential was +70 and due to the fact there were only 6 teams, we also played one less CAHA weekend.  We played a good number of the Flight1 teams, not just the 8th place team, and we proved in those games that we would have been competitive.


I'm repeating myself, but we didn't get blown out by anyone in the Jamboree.  All our games were close, both in terms of shots, zone time, scoring opportunities and final score, and 3 of our 4 opponents went into Flight1 and all made the top 8.  If there had actually been an evaluation, we should have been in Flight1 from the outset.  There wasn't the legitimate evaluation process that was promised and that should change.


Your posts keep referring to teams in Flight2 as 'A' teams, which says a lot about where you are coming from. Maybe if a AA teams at the top of Flight1 are really only challenged by a team or 2 in their division, the problem is not with the other 90% of the teams, but rather that the top team ought to be moving up instead of complaining about having to play the majority of the division.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 14, 2018, 12:58:55 PM

Puck Yeah,


With all due respect back at you, I have offered up solutions repeatedly, starting with my opinion that Flighting was unneeded at the outset.  There were a good number of people who agreed with me.   I don't know what level your kid(s) are at or playing.  I grew up on the east coast, and youth hockey does quite well there, without flighting.  I'd love to know some traditional long standing youth hockey markets where anything like this exists.   


For our 2 seasons in AA CAHA has experimented on its participants with radical systemic changes.  Should I be thanking them?


If you have all the answers, feel free to provide your world view and correct the things I've stated which were factually incorrect.  I'm sure you know more than I do about the conversations I had with various club reps I know who have provided me with information, not to mention the discussions I had directly with a CAHA board member and the coaches of our team, manager and our club President.     


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I don't think a win or a close game in a Flight 2 vs 8th place Flight 1 tells a story of a strong Flight 2 teams that would have been contenders.  Just the opposite.  It paints a picture of very weak Flight 1 teams at the bottom of the standings.


I really don't even understand your point in regards to the stats you cherry picked.  There were 10 Flight1 teams in PW and Bantam and if CAHA was right about flighting the #8 seeds should have won their games with ease.  You bring zero credibility to the argument when the season is over, and you can look at the stats and use them to support your own bias.  A lot of people were saying that the flighting choices were wonky during and immediately after the jamboree when the "internal rankings" were leaked.


The Flighting was supposedly necessary so that teams did not have to be subjected to a lot of blow outs of teams that they could never hope to beat or even challenge.  If CAHA can't get that right, then the whole idea is a waste of time, because, as you pointed out, there are always stronger teams and weaker teams in any grouping (easily measured over a season by goal differential).


At some point, it just becomes arrogant self congratulation that is often not merited and I find that personally distasteful.  CAHA can't legislate parity with 3 teams in AAA, and it certainly can't legislate it with 12 teams or 16 or 18 teams at AA.  Your bar for our team seems to be, that we can only be validated if we now win a state championship. 


If you don't think an organization is entitled to know before being summoned to the jamboree for an "evaluation" without it being disclosed by whatever decision making "cabal" was involved, that you have essentially no chance of being evaluated as a Flight1 team other than perhaps to win all your jamboree "games", don't you think that should have been communicated to the organization?   Maybe our coaching staff might have done some things differently. 


Feel free to point me to the information provided by CAHA on how the evaluation would work, what criteria would be involved, and how determinations would be made.  I'll save you time -- you can't because there wasn't any.


If people are satisfied with it at U16, they are welcome to that opinion and perhaps this season for U16, the flighting makes sense. 
It's a very different age group from U12 an U14 there are plenty of people who think the flighting was rigged in favor of the more powerful clubs who have people with decision making power within CAHA. 


In U12, Flight2, our team played 5 other socal teams.  Our goal differential was +70 and due to the fact there were only 6 teams, we also played one less CAHA weekend.  We played a good number of the Flight1 teams, not just the 8th place team, and we proved in those games that we would have been competitive.


I'm repeating myself, but we didn't get blown out by anyone in the Jamboree.  All our games were close, both in terms of shots, zone time, scoring opportunities and final score, and 3 of our 4 opponents went into Flight1 and all made the top 8.  If there had actually been an evaluation, we should have been in Flight1 from the outset.  There wasn't the legitimate evaluation process that was promised and that should change.


Your posts keep referring to teams in Flight2 as 'A' teams, which says a lot about where you are coming from. Maybe if a AA teams at the top of Flight1 are really only challenged by a team or 2 in their division, the problem is not with the other 90% of the teams, but rather that the top team ought to be moving up instead of complaining about having to play the majority of the division.
DUDE


You must be a pain in the ass when your drunk.


Blah....blah.....blah.....yack......yack.....yack.....fuck !!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 14, 2018, 01:51:49 PM
I do it all for you trans, you know that.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: RW on February 14, 2018, 02:00:19 PM
I can tell you for sure that the top 2-3 teams in 16U Flight 2 were NOT satisfied with the flights.  They could all compete with the bottom 3-4 teams in flight 1 and did so on occasion in SCAHA and various tournaments.  In fact, I believe Flight 2 OC1 beat a couple of Flight 1 teams in SCAHA games.

It was pre-determined that there would be 8 Flight 1 teams regardless of what happened at the Jamboree and the eventual 8th place Flight 1 team was given a gift schedule at the Jamboree....any guesses where they were from?     
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on February 14, 2018, 03:37:52 PM
While I agree, the flight system is not perfect, and may, in fact need significant improvement next year. I CAN say that I have heard nothing but positives from folks in Midget and Bantam Flight 1 teams. Our son played in Bantam Flight 1, and I can tell you this season was a dream compared to the past two seasons of PW AA. While I by no means have a large sample size for the Midget families, all Flight 1 families I have spoken to were very favorable to the flight system in their case.


I will admit the PW parents I have spoken to DID NOT have a favorable year in the flight system--seemingly in either Flight 1 or 2.



In our case in both of the past two years of PW AA, our team would typically have say a 20 game CAHA schedule--4 of those games would be quality, 6 of those games would be decent, and 10 games--half of the year--would be worthless blowouts. This year, in Bantam Flight 1...EVERY GAME was contested, or at least we faced an opponent that could or did beat us. Of course, there is the Bears....but they have been discussed ad nauseum...but we have had great games almost every game. Beaten teams we shouldn't have and lost to teams we shouldn't have along the way...but GREAT competitiveness.


Now, it seems many of the biggest complaints here come from Flight 2 parents that think their team "coulda, shoulda, woulda" been in Flight 1 IF they just got a fair shot from big bad CAHA. And this is PROVEN FACT because they played this team, who played that team, who scrimmaged with the other team and won a practice against yet another team.


Face it, we are NOT going to know if the 3rd seed Flight 2 team could have taken down the 9th seed Flight 1 team 9 times out of 10. It might be true...but we will NEVER know.


What we DO know is blowouts DO NOT help anyone involved. I know it is the prevailing thought on this board that the "Goliaths" should have just sucked it up and beat down a few "Davids" during the year in order to "grow hockey in California". The thought being that these "blessed" kids should suffer through the blowouts for the greater good. You are kidding yourself if you think that the Goliaths are the only ones suffering in the blowouts. Hockey is such a confidence game and if your player is on a team that is getting beat by 8-0 and 10-0 week in and week out--trust me, they ARE NOT getting anything out of this. They are getting frustrated, they are not having fun and they are more than likely to be the next kids to quit hockey and go chase girls or try a new sport that might be more competitive/fun!


So, I have little insight into what happened in any of the Flight 2 leagues this year, perhaps as good as the flight system was for Bantam and Midget Flight 1, it was equally bad--I don't know. There has not been much discussion about how competitive the second flights were, only pining for CAHA to admit they screwed up and this team or that team coulda, shoulda, woulda been in Flight 1 if only.....
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on February 14, 2018, 04:15:46 PM
Well said...a different perspective.


I haven't heard from anyone how competitive the games were within the realms of Flight 2 divisions at any age group.  Most people have complained about the unnecessary travel to NorCal or not getting a fair chance to play in Flight 1.  One of you stats guys needs to do a breakdown on the game-by-game goal differentials in Flight 2 to see if their games were predominantly competitive.  My son's team is Flight 1 Bantam and ALL of their CAHA games were competitive.  That was the goal, right?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on February 14, 2018, 04:17:16 PM
You know why you never see Icadad and Nancy Pelosi at a party together?  Both are the same gas bag.  Blah blah blah.



Puck Yeah,


With all due respect back at you, I have offered up solutions repeatedly, starting with my opinion that Flighting was unneeded at the outset.  There were a good number of people who agreed with me.   I don't know what level your kid(s) are at or playing.  I grew up on the east coast, and youth hockey does quite well there, without flighting.  I'd love to know some traditional long standing youth hockey markets where anything like this exists.   


For our 2 seasons in AA CAHA has experimented on its participants with radical systemic changes.  Should I be thanking them?


If you have all the answers, feel free to provide your world view and correct the things I've stated which were factually incorrect.  I'm sure you know more than I do about the conversations I had with various club reps I know who have provided me with information, not to mention the discussions I had directly with a CAHA board member and the coaches of our team, manager and our club President.     


Quote
I don't think a win or a close game in a Flight 2 vs 8th place Flight 1 tells a story of a strong Flight 2 teams that would have been contenders.  Just the opposite.  It paints a picture of very weak Flight 1 teams at the bottom of the standings.


I really don't even understand your point in regards to the stats you cherry picked.  There were 10 Flight1 teams in PW and Bantam and if CAHA was right about flighting the #8 seeds should have won their games with ease.  You bring zero credibility to the argument when the season is over, and you can look at the stats and use them to support your own bias.  A lot of people were saying that the flighting choices were wonky during and immediately after the jamboree when the "internal rankings" were leaked.


The Flighting was supposedly necessary so that teams did not have to be subjected to a lot of blow outs of teams that they could never hope to beat or even challenge.  If CAHA can't get that right, then the whole idea is a waste of time, because, as you pointed out, there are always stronger teams and weaker teams in any grouping (easily measured over a season by goal differential).


At some point, it just becomes arrogant self congratulation that is often not merited and I find that personally distasteful.  CAHA can't legislate parity with 3 teams in AAA, and it certainly can't legislate it with 12 teams or 16 or 18 teams at AA.  Your bar for our team seems to be, that we can only be validated if we now win a state championship. 


If you don't think an organization is entitled to know before being summoned to the jamboree for an "evaluation" without it being disclosed by whatever decision making "cabal" was involved, that you have essentially no chance of being evaluated as a Flight1 team other than perhaps to win all your jamboree "games", don't you think that should have been communicated to the organization?   Maybe our coaching staff might have done some things differently. 


Feel free to point me to the information provided by CAHA on how the evaluation would work, what criteria would be involved, and how determinations would be made.  I'll save you time -- you can't because there wasn't any.


If people are satisfied with it at U16, they are welcome to that opinion and perhaps this season for U16, the flighting makes sense. 
It's a very different age group from U12 an U14 there are plenty of people who think the flighting was rigged in favor of the more powerful clubs who have people with decision making power within CAHA. 


In U12, Flight2, our team played 5 other socal teams.  Our goal differential was +70 and due to the fact there were only 6 teams, we also played one less CAHA weekend.  We played a good number of the Flight1 teams, not just the 8th place team, and we proved in those games that we would have been competitive.


I'm repeating myself, but we didn't get blown out by anyone in the Jamboree.  All our games were close, both in terms of shots, zone time, scoring opportunities and final score, and 3 of our 4 opponents went into Flight1 and all made the top 8.  If there had actually been an evaluation, we should have been in Flight1 from the outset.  There wasn't the legitimate evaluation process that was promised and that should change.


Your posts keep referring to teams in Flight2 as 'A' teams, which says a lot about where you are coming from. Maybe if a AA teams at the top of Flight1 are really only challenged by a team or 2 in their division, the problem is not with the other 90% of the teams, but rather that the top team ought to be moving up instead of complaining about having to play the majority of the division.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on February 14, 2018, 04:35:39 PM
Well said...a different perspective.


I haven't heard from anyone how competitive the games were within the realms of Flight 2 divisions at any age group.  Most people have complained about the unnecessary travel to NorCal or not getting a fair chance to play in Flight 1.  One of you stats guys needs to do a breakdown on the game-by-game goal differentials in Flight 2 to see if their games were predominantly competitive.  My son's team is Flight 1 Bantam and ALL of their CAHA games were competitive.  That was the goal, right?


I too would like to hear how the Flight 2 divisions did amongst themselves without any bias about whether or not they "belonged" there.


As good as the flight system was for Bantam Flight 1, I don't doubt the whole thing could have been improved--but CAHA bashing doesn't help in my opinion. Find out who to talk to in your club or on CAHA itself and contact them and let them know your feelings/input. They did the best they can, and they can't improve next year without input that actually HELPS and is not just bitching.


I would agree after the flights were made and it turned out Flight 2 was all So-Cal, the travelling up north was a bit much--but I also understand the bidding system they do to get rinks signed up. I am sure CAHA could do the bidding later next year, or in a different manner if it turns out similar. But, what would happen if there are 9 So-Cal teams and 1 Nor-Cal? Where do you draw the line....more room for unhappiness....it is NOT easy...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 14, 2018, 04:50:10 PM
I can tell you for sure that the top 2-3 teams in 16U Flight 2 were NOT satisfied with the flights.  They could all compete with the bottom 3-4 teams in flight 1 and did so on occasion in SCAHA and various tournaments.  In fact, I believe Flight 2 OC1 beat a couple of Flight 1 teams in SCAHA games.

It was pre-determined that there would be 8 Flight 1 teams regardless of what happened at the Jamboree and the eventual 8th place Flight 1 team was given a gift schedule at the Jamboree....any guesses where they were from?   


I think that is is entirely predictable that the top couple of teams in a Flight 2 are going to be dissatisfied.  It would make no difference where the line was drawn.  The first couple of teams behind the line are not going to care for the decision.  It is like standing in line for 2 hours for a Kopi autograph and having them tell you that the guy if front of you is the last one that will get in for a signature tonight. 


As far as it being "predetermined that there would be 8 Flight 1 teams regardless of what happened at the Jamboree" I can say with complete certainty this is False.  I spoke with the board about this specifically before and after the Jamboree, and they concluded that both Flights could contain any number in either flight.  It could have been 12-4 or 6-10.  It was not predetermined. 


I am sure it is a bitter pill to get relegated to Flight 2.  That doesn't change the reasoning behind the flight system being implemented.  A teams continued to play AA every year.  This was an attempt by CAHA to address the issue.  Was it successful?  Apparently it all depends on which Flight your player was assigned to.....
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rats13 on February 14, 2018, 05:03:11 PM
It was actually stated that there was a max of 10 teams in flight 1.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 14, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
The bottom line in Bantam AA you had one AAA team and maybe two or 3 teams that could of done well in A.

CAHA doesn't have the balls to drop teams down a level where they should be because they have connections.
So they came up with flights to try and make these clubs happy.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 14, 2018, 05:27:32 PM
The bottom line in Bantam AA you had one AAA team and maybe two or 3 teams that could of done well in A.

CAHA doesn't have the balls to drop teams down a level where they should be because they have connections.
So they came up with flights to try and make these clubs happy.


I can see that you can't force a club up, but CAHA should have an extended preseason and send down teams that obviously don't belong in AA.  There will still be bitching that the teams sent down could have been contenders given time to develop.  But there is no bitch free solution.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 14, 2018, 05:29:06 PM
It was actually stated that there was a max of 10 teams in flight 1.


Where? and by whom?  I have email documenting that was not the case.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on February 14, 2018, 06:26:52 PM
I thought I remember seeing in the original CAHA post for the Jamboree that there would be a max of 10 teams - however I could be wrong (and am all too frequently  ;D.

Also I thought a team or two in PeeWee was sent down to A level - might have even been a Jr. Sharks team.  However see last line in the above paragraph.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 14, 2018, 06:51:33 PM
I thought I remember seeing in the original CAHA post for the Jamboree that there would be a max of 10 teams - however I could be wrong (and am all too frequently  ;D .

Also I thought a team or two in PeeWee was sent down to A level - might have even been a Jr. Sharks team.  However see last line in the above paragraph.


You are correct. It was listed on the CAHA site. Also there were a team or 2 in Pee Wee AA that dropped.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 14, 2018, 07:05:35 PM
It was actually stated that there was a max of 10 teams in flight 1.


Where? and by whom?  I have email documenting that was not the case.


http://www.caha.com/docs/2017-2019%20CAHA%20Guidebook%20(rev%2020170714).pdf


9.9 Rules
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 14, 2018, 07:16:01 PM
It was actually stated that there was a max of 10 teams in flight 1.


Where? and by whom?  I have email documenting that was not the case.


http://www.caha.com/docs/2017-2019%20CAHA%20Guidebook%20(rev%2020170714).pdf (http://www.caha.com/docs/2017-2019%20CAHA%20Guidebook%20(rev%2020170714).pdf)


9.9 Rules


Thank you for the correction PK.  After reviewing my old email I see that when I was quizzing CAHA I gave examples of possible Flight Divisions  the largest spread being 10-6.  I took away from this that it could be any split when CAHA answered I was correct in that it did not need to be an 8-8 division of flights.  It just happened that my example was the max.


Always best to first learn the truth or the facts and THEN form and opinion......
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rats13 on February 15, 2018, 06:12:07 AM
Why let the facts get in the way of a good opinion or argument  8)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 15, 2018, 07:11:22 AM
Quote
You know why you never see Icadad and Nancy Pelosi at a party together?  Both are the same gas bag.  Blah blah blah.

At least I don't quote 10 paragraphs of text to leave a one line comment.  Learn to internet.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on February 15, 2018, 07:19:48 AM
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You know why you never see Icadad and Nancy Pelosi at a party together?  Both are the same gas bag.  Blah blah blah.

At least I don't quote 10 paragraphs of text to leave a one line comment.  Learn to internet.


Is internet a verb now?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 15, 2018, 07:25:07 AM
That's how the kids do it these days.  ;)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on February 15, 2018, 07:55:47 AM
And the kids are always right.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Hockey05 on February 15, 2018, 09:39:12 AM
The bottom line in Bantam AA you had one AAA team and maybe two or 3 teams that could of done well in A.

CAHA doesn't have the balls to drop teams down a level where they should be because they have connections.
So they came up with flights to try and make these clubs happy.


You nailed it.  So who gets dropped?  Well the Valencia Flyers do, same with the Pasadena Maple Leafs at midget and others.  At PW it is justified dropping the Jr Sharks because they are a young team playing up. 


It was all pretty much pre-determined except for 1-2 teams at each level.  As I've stated previously, they wasted a lot of time and money, including the very best teams subjecting them to the jamboree that Labor Day weekend. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 15, 2018, 10:35:59 AM
The bottom line in Bantam AA you had one AAA team and maybe two or 3 teams that could of done well in A.

CAHA doesn't have the balls to drop teams down a level where they should be because they have connections.
So they came up with flights to try and make these clubs happy.


You nailed it.  So who gets dropped?  Well the Valencia Flyers do, same with the Pasadena Maple Leafs at midget and others.  At PW it is justified dropping the Jr Sharks because they are a young team playing up. 


It was all pretty much pre-determined except for 1-2 teams at each level.  As I've stated previously, they wasted a lot of time and money, including the very best teams subjecting them to the jamboree that Labor Day weekend.

So you are saying you think Flyers Midget AA team should be A? I can't agree with that at all.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: area51 on February 15, 2018, 11:23:27 AM
That's like saying the Bantam AA Flyers belong in Flight 1  :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Hockey05 on February 15, 2018, 12:22:43 PM
Sorry, I was referring to the PWAA team.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 15, 2018, 12:36:47 PM
Sorry, I was referring to the PWAA team.


I think what you meant to say was that the Valencia PWAA team should have been in flight1.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 15, 2018, 04:18:22 PM
That's like saying the Bantam AA Flyers belong in Flight 1  :o

I walked right into that one I see.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 15, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
Actually it did happen and I can confirm 100%..... Nice read also! LOL!


Well -- as we discussed, I think there's a working theory of what happened there.  Just because it went around on a list doesn't mean that is what the club reported.  Also doesn't change the fact that no real evaluation happened for us. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on February 15, 2018, 07:52:29 PM
Actually it did happen and I can confirm 100%..... Nice read also! LOL!


Well -- as we discussed, I think there's a working theory of what happened there.  Just because it went around on a list doesn't mean that is what the club reported.  Also doesn't change the fact that no real evaluation happened for us.
There was an evaluation, it was confirmed based on what your club responded on your potential placement. Also, hate to say... i heard many coaches said bottom flight even though they will NEVER admit it! It's easier to point the finger and watch everyone go crazy! Haha!!!


You know me... I dig vs ranting to see WTF is going on. I've also always said Valencia should have been top flight and maybe 1 other and have the rest drop.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on February 15, 2018, 07:54:00 PM
Sorry guys, this pertains to Peewee and it has a bit of carry over.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 16, 2018, 08:55:50 AM
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There was an evaluation, it was confirmed based on what your club responded on your potential placement. Also, hate to say... i heard many coaches said bottom flight even though they will NEVER admit it! It's easier to point the finger and watch everyone go crazy! Haha!!!

You know me... I dig vs ranting to see WTF is going on. I've also always said Valencia should have been top flight and maybe 1 other and have the rest drop.


Not letting you get away with that, sorry bud.


1. I talked to our Club rep BEFORE San Jose.  I believe he did what he said he did, because there is NO reason for him not to have or to lie to me.
2. I KNOW you had visibility to the rankings.  That doesn't mean that the rankings were not manipulated.  Stating that you KNOW what the club reported simply isn't accurate.  You saw a ranking you were told was based on something, but you didn't make the list yourself did you?
3.  Our Jamboree games were all close, especially during the time we had evaluators attending.  We pulled our goalie in every game we were behind and gave up 2 empty netters out of the 3 games we lost.  Maybe if our coach had known that score was the only thing being considered we might not have. 
4.  CAHA board member TOLD ME, "Your team was NEVER considered for Flight1."  There were 2 other parents standing there when this was stated to us.
5. As you know I had the score sheets with shots on goal as well.  I even posted shot on goal totals for all the teams just prior to the Flighting. 


It sounds like you were privy to some formal or informal polling of coaches who had the chance to have input into where teams should be placed. Our clubs and coaches were not involved in this, never knew about it, and were never consulted.     


We can go back to the announcement and already people were expressing concerns that there was no criteria.  The CAHA book has rules out the wazoo, and the Flight system should have come along with rules concerning how the Flighting would be done from the get-go and we could have avoided a lot of this BS.  It was done in secret, and it clearly involved a bunch of people voting or manipulating the flights to your point.  I'm not sure why you would want to defend it. 


Even if the Flighting got some teams wrong, if it had been done in the open, with clarity and information provided to ALL the coaches and clubs, I would have absolutely nothing to complain about.




Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 16, 2018, 10:15:02 AM
I THINK A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT NEED BE FILED AGAINST CAHA AND ALL THE COACHES THAT KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND DIDNT SAY ANYTHING.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Hockey05 on February 16, 2018, 10:27:47 AM



Dear CAHA Boardmembers,


1.  Before you make a decision, consider the long term impact.  Time and money was wasted this past season that could have been used for new equipment or for those expensive privates that coaches love. 
2.  Before you think of your own club, try to put the needs of players and their families first when making decisions.
3.  Figure out how you can generate more than four AAA teams at any age group or birth year.  Statistically you are way off in comparison to other states nationally.  Having California win national championships is not necessarily the the number one goal, developing players and providing opportunities for them is.   
4.  If you are a board member and you never played hockey, then realize it and own it.  Know your limitations. 
5.  Have a bit more clarity and visibility.  Parents are a bit more knowledgeable than you may realize.  Consider new ways of communication and feedback. 


Thanks for giving your time to this great game, 
The loving parent of a CAHA player
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on February 16, 2018, 10:31:06 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Well stated.  Strongly agree.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Goaliedad32 on February 17, 2018, 05:14:14 PM
Are they planing on telling clubs where fight 2 playdownd are going to be before next year's try outs ?


Just cancel this stupid shit !!

Agree waste of time and money.
I agree Trans.  Several issues with flight 2 playdowns.  #1 Who cares who wins flight #2.  (no one in flight #2 wanted to be in flight #2 in the first place,  on top of that they are making us do a play down--for what?  Bragging rights 'We are the best of the worst?')  #2 Families/players/coaches were not told about this at time of signing #3 Notice was not given to the teams until 1 week ago?!?   

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 17, 2018, 10:16:53 PM
Are they planing on telling clubs where fight 2 playdownd are going to be before next year's try outs ?


Just cancel this stupid shit !!

Agree waste of time and money.
I agree Trans.  Several issues with flight 2 playdowns.  #1 Who cares who wins flight #2.  (no one in flight #2 wanted to be in flight #2 in the first place,  on top of that they are making us do a play down--for what?  Bragging rights 'We are the best of the worst?')  #2 Families/players/coaches were not told about this at time of signing #3 Notice was not given to the teams until 1 week ago?!?


Welcome  back to the boards goalie dad.


Yes you are spot on!


Flyers tried to pull the plug and cancel this crap and SCAHA has treatened them with fines and sanctions if they do. Flyers have 9 skaters left due to injury and are not allowed to even add.


Total BS
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Strawman on February 17, 2018, 10:32:46 PM
I hear several teams don't even want to participate in the "Flight 2 play down" and will probably have to be forced, and most will be missing players because thanks to CAHA their families were planning most of this year for their hockey season to be done by now and so have other commitments.  CAHA at this point is compounding stupidity with idiocy.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 17, 2018, 10:34:28 PM
So where and when is this happening
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 17, 2018, 10:38:25 PM
So where and when is this happening


March 3rd and 4th


 :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 17, 2018, 10:40:41 PM
Where
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 17, 2018, 10:43:19 PM
Where
Bantams are Valencia because no other rink bid on them. lol

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on February 19, 2018, 01:09:33 PM
Where
Bantams are Valencia because no other rink bid on them. lol
At least its sorta Socal
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: A1Hockey Fan on February 20, 2018, 11:18:11 AM
So how did everyone do in their Presidents Tourneys this past weekend?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on February 20, 2018, 11:37:16 AM
After Icadad beat me down last week, I sulked briefly then "learned to internet." Heard some scuttlebutt about P-Day Ventura goalie snapped over the weekend, slashed some kid in the gut when refs weren't looking.  Any details?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: HockeyDadx3 on February 20, 2018, 12:05:54 PM
From the video I saw that Simi goalie went Nuclear.


Not sure if it’s appropriate to post here or not because from what I saw, that could be used in court if they want to file assault charges.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Into the Boards on February 22, 2018, 07:26:34 PM
Rumor has it he's been removed from the roster by his team...but not sure if permanent or temporary.  SCAHA yet to rule on it.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Voice in ur head on February 23, 2018, 10:12:57 AM
What are you guys talking about? What did I miss?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Moderator on February 25, 2018, 03:38:38 AM
Next person that makes comments about an identifiable kid is going to get banned.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on February 25, 2018, 05:44:57 PM
So how did all the Flight 2 teams do at playdowns?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 25, 2018, 06:05:03 PM
So how did all the Flight 2 teams do at playdowns?


Ducks
Kings
Saints
GSE1


All out
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on February 25, 2018, 06:17:30 PM
Question, hopefully someone can give an honest answer....
What are Mariners doing for a goalie in the "Biggest Loser SCAHA Championship"
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on February 25, 2018, 06:29:46 PM
I just looked - GSE1 made it through. SC out.
I was curious how the flight 2 teams did in general (scores don’t tell the whole story).
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 25, 2018, 06:34:00 PM
I just looked - GSE1 made it through. SC out.
I was curious how the flight 2 teams did in general (scores don’t tell the whole story).


My bad yes both GSE teams move to States.


Flight two playoffs are next weekend.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: KickSave on February 26, 2018, 08:40:04 PM
How did the Saints do? I know they didn’t make it through, but how did they do at playdowns - in general?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on February 27, 2018, 07:02:31 AM
How did the Saints do? I know they didn’t make it through, but how did they do at playdowns - in general?


Just looking at scores someone who watched would know more.


1-7  vs Bears


1-3 vs Ducks
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on February 27, 2018, 07:05:43 AM
They played tough, but they fared about as well as Flight 1 8-10 seed might have.  Interestingly, the Bears were without their top 2 scorers and the ice was still pretty tilted in their favor.  If anything, the Saints winning the play-in just helped to prove that they probably belonged in Flight 1 all along.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WinklePuff on March 01, 2018, 03:57:28 PM
Whos excited for tier 2 playdowns? :)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on March 01, 2018, 07:44:16 PM
Whos excited for tier 2 playdowns? :)


The Ice Station accountant is pretty psyched.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on March 01, 2018, 07:58:04 PM
Whos excited for tier 2 playdowns? :)


The Ice Station accountant is pretty psyched.


SCAHA is too.$$$
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on March 01, 2018, 08:20:53 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Into the Boards on March 02, 2018, 05:25:15 PM
Yippie...who doesn't love to fight for a second place flight 2 banner! Embarrassing to even hang that one in any rink.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on March 03, 2018, 09:08:14 AM
I heard rumor that one of the teams only has 7 skaters available.  Goes to the ambivalence and timing of this. Club asked if they could supplement with some Bantam A's and were told no.  :o
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on March 05, 2018, 10:22:58 AM
This year's Biggest Loser  Bantam AA Flight 2.....


Mariners


Raise banner with pride
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Defensive Zone on March 05, 2018, 11:21:18 AM
[font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]It sounds like “Trans” needs to adjust his/her hormone dose because he/she is sounding a little bitchy and acting like a giant sore loser. [/font][/color][/font][/size]
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on March 05, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
It sounds like “Trans” needs to adjust his/her hormone dose because he/she is sounding a little bitchy and acting like a giant sore loser.
Ummm...ok
Hate to break it to you.  If my boys team would have won, it' not really something to get a hard on for.  Take nothing away the MARINERS, they played well.  I' just saying, not really Flight 2 champions until they play the Saints..
On another note, how tasteless is it for parents to cheer/jeer a kid for getting a penalty ?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pass_the_puck on March 05, 2018, 11:53:52 AM
It sounds like “Trans” needs to adjust his/her hormone dose because he/she is sounding a little bitchy and acting like a giant sore loser.
Ummm...ok
Hate to break it to you.  If my boys team would have won, it' not really something to get a hard on for.  Take nothing away the MARINERS, they played well.  I' just saying, not really Flight 2 champions until they play the Saints..
On another note, how tasteless is it for parents to cheer/jeer a kid for getting a penalty ?


Guess it depends on what kid is taking the penalty. Does this kid have a history of playing dirty? If he does, get used to it. This is hockey, not figure skating...
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pass_the_puck on March 05, 2018, 12:16:32 PM
It sounds like “Trans” needs to adjust his/her hormone dose because he/she is sounding a little bitchy and acting like a giant sore loser.
Ummm...ok
Hate to break it to you.  If my boys team would have won, it' not really something to get a hard on for.  Take nothing away the MARINERS, they played well.  I' just saying, not really Flight 2 champions until they play the Saints..

On another note, how tasteless is it for parents to cheer/jeer a kid for getting a penalty ?


Guess it depends on what kid is taking the penalty. Does this kid have a history of playing dirty? If he does, get used to it. This is hockey, not figure skating...


Actually no he doesn't...and it is pretty sad if the kid gets off the ice saying how annoying the parents are and that the parents talk more trash than the kids on the ice. Maybe because the boys on the ice get that it is "Hockey" which is a contact sport. If you don't want your little angel getting touched go have them play golf or tennis.


So your saying that the kid gets off the ice annoyed? lol that's funny. All I'm saying is to get used to it. I'm sure there will be plenty more to come. You aren't going to change parents, well, unless you punch them in the face.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on March 05, 2018, 01:28:00 PM
Well, yet another season has come and gone. Congrats to Saint AND Mariners. Mariners played well this past weekend and deserve whatever accolades CAHA/SCAHA dished upon us. Props to the new goalie, he was excellent.

Despite what we think about how 'meaningless' this past weekend was, I personally still wish my kid's team would've won, but Mariners had a better weekend so congrats. Regarding the penalties, I'm sure some will disagree, but that young ref was seriously whistle happy and all those penalties called on us early on really did affect the outcome of the game. Oh well, there's always next season!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Norcal1 on March 05, 2018, 01:48:06 PM
I wouldn't say annoyed but with an impression that parents are crazy because on the ice, boys even though they are on opposing teams talk and compliment each other...even after the games.
Some parents do deserve to get punched in the mouth at times but I guess it's better to just let them show their class when they are sitting there yelling at a 13 year old kid.


Best remedy for that is to record them on your phone and share your video of their behavior on the web!!!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on March 05, 2018, 03:00:19 PM
A few of the Mariners parents were certainly "sore winners." There's a lot of that going around nowadays so it's the new normal, and I guess we just have to get used to it, but parents heckling kids in the penalty box was over the top and not something I've seen much before at this level. I didn't see many penalties on either team that made much sense, which makes it worse. The KIDS and coaches on both teams were a complete class act from what I saw, though, and that was really great to see.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on March 05, 2018, 04:19:52 PM

I wouldn't say annoyed but with an impression that parents are crazy because on the ice, boys even though they are on opposing teams talk and compliment each other...even after the games.


Some parents do deserve to get punched in the mouth at times but I guess it's better to just let them show their class when they are sitting there yelling at a 13 year old kid.


If you really think all bantam level players are doing when they "communicate" on the ice is to compliment each other...you really ought to spend some time at Lakewood or other rink were you can get above the glass and look down on the action...you will be AMAZED at what  your little angel is saying during games....


Of course...hockey parents do, in fact, suck. And there is no shortage of moronic hockey parents...where do you think the kids learn to talk like that ON the ice!  ;-)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: WCHP on March 05, 2018, 04:38:52 PM

I wouldn't say annoyed but with an impression that parents are crazy because on the ice, boys even though they are on opposing teams talk and compliment each other...even after the games.


Some parents do deserve to get punched in the mouth at times but I guess it's better to just let them show their class when they are sitting there yelling at a 13 year old kid.


If you really think all bantam level players are doing when they "communicate" on the ice is to compliment each other...you really ought to spend some time at Lakewood or other rink were you can get above the glass and look down on the action...you will be AMAZED at what  your little angel is saying during games....


Of course...hockey parents do, in fact, suck. And there is no shortage of moronic hockey parents...where do you think the kids learn to talk like that ON the ice!  ;-)


not my kid hes sweet and perfect



Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on March 05, 2018, 05:29:30 PM

I'm not that naive to think or say that they do not chirp each other at all on the ice...I myself play and know that it does happen. However when you have good sportsmanship it is left on the ice and some even are friends off the ice, even after they have blown them up mid game.


My gripe is with the parents...if you are going to stand up and yell over towards the ice to a kid or cheer if anything happens to him on the ice is a bit much, but maybe asking for maturity or class from the grown adults is too much.


I would agree....there was some REAL low quality parenting going on at the Bantam AA Playdowns just over a week ago in Lakewood for sure!!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Santino on March 06, 2018, 10:10:38 AM
Flight 2 playoffs: WOW.  Totally expected WW to take this thing.  Kudos to Mariners kids and coaches.  Have witnessed their parents in action, yes many are out of control, forget these are kids.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: rmackintosh on March 08, 2018, 10:01:48 AM
I see that CAHA Board nominations are open! I am sure there will be more than a handful here applying in triplicate...much work to be done!  ;-)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: fistocuffs on March 08, 2018, 11:59:14 AM
Too bad you cannot vote
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Rub One Out on March 08, 2018, 02:26:00 PM
I nominate Kangaroo Jack  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Kangaroo Jack on March 09, 2018, 07:18:09 AM

CAHA Director Application for 2018-2020
Any person interested in serving as a CAHA Director shall be eligible for election providing they are in good standing with both USA Hockey and CAHA. Nominations must be submitted by April 1, 2018:




I am announcing today my candidacy for the President of CAHA.


I pledge to continue in the organization’s long and proud history of shenanigans and buffoonery.  In fact, I promise MORE shenanigans and MORE buffoonery.  There is no kickback too small nor backroom agreement too shady that I won’t consider.  Hearsay will be treated as fact.  Innuendo as truth. 


Want a CAHA weekend?  You can have it!  Don’t like the PDR rule?  I can change it!  Want that investigation into your roster manipulation ended?  I’m your man!


As long as I’m getting greased, I will ALWAYS side in your favor.


I pledge to blindly support the big clubs and crush the little guy.  The big clubs can have ALL the star players, and those ambitious, pathetic small programs will take the scraps and enjoy it (looking at you California Wave!).  These are among the REAL issues in 2018.  And it is on the basis of these issues that the voting members of the Vacaville Metropolitan Area must make their fateful choice for our future.


Vote for me, and together, we can make CAHA great again!


SUPPORTED BY THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS:
The Hobo Village Bureau of Tourism
United Toll Road Collectors Union of the Greater Boston Area
The Orange Country Daddy Coaches Caucus
05 Children of Russia Hockey Placement Agency
The Ghost Players Association of Southern California
CAHA PDR Regulation Board 
The Westminster Police Department
KHS Hazmat Team & Zamboni Drivers Union
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on March 09, 2018, 08:29:55 AM

CAHA Director Application for 2018-2020
Any person interested in serving as a CAHA Director shall be eligible for election providing they are in good standing with both USA Hockey and CAHA. Nominations must be submitted by April 1, 2018:




I am announcing today my candidacy for the President of CAHA.


I pledge to continue in the organization’s long and proud history of shenanigans and buffoonery.  In fact, I promise MORE shenanigans and MORE buffoonery.  There is no kickback too small nor backroom agreement too shady that I won’t consider.  Hearsay will be treated as fact.  Innuendo as truth. 


Want a CAHA weekend?  You can have it!  Don’t like the PDR rule?  I can change it!  Want that investigation into your roster manipulation ended?  I’m your man!


As long as I’m getting greased, I will ALWAYS side in your favor.


I pledge to blindly support the big clubs and crush the little guy.  The big clubs can have ALL the star players, and those ambitious, pathetic small programs will take the scraps and enjoy it (looking at you California Wave!).  These are among the REAL issues in 2018.  And it is on the basis of these issues that the voting members of the Vacaville Metropolitan Area must make their fateful choice for our future.


Vote for me, and together, we can make CAHA great again!


SUPPORTED BY THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS:
The Hobo Village Bureau of Tourism
United Toll Road Collectors Union of the Greater Boston Area
The Orange Country Daddy Coaches Caucus
05 Children of Russia Hockey Placement Agency
The Ghost Players Association of Southern California
CAHA PDR Regulation Board 
The Westminster Police Department
KHS Hazmat Team & Zamboni Drivers Union

Make Ca Hockey great again.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: coachbombay on March 09, 2018, 10:40:03 AM
that's the best post I ever read!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on March 09, 2018, 11:52:55 AM
Priceless!  Just the response I was hoping for!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: lcadad on March 12, 2018, 01:14:05 AM
KJ has all 7 of my votes.  I have many "personas" so I can deliver on this believe me.  I will be using the Dark Web. 

All I ask in return is that someone locate the Flight 2 playoff stats so future generations can marvel at participant success of those lucky kids who played were experimented on in the inaugural year of AA flighting.  The Final Flight 2 insult -- poor flight 2 kids who got some playoff points don't even appear in the playoff stats.     
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on March 28, 2018, 06:45:59 AM
So with Spring Season upon us, what are the best Bantam clinics to go to? Be honest with the pros and cons.




1 Vote for Burbank whatever Peter is doing is good.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: orangecone on March 28, 2018, 08:39:03 AM
So with Spring Season upon us, what are the best Bantam clinics to go to? Be honest with the pros and cons.




1 Vote for Burbank whatever Peter is doing is good.
Just finished the weekend in Burbank at the Bears Prep School camp. Peter is hands down one of the most passionate teachers of the game. He has a very clear plan with all his teams as well as with other players that show an interest in moving on. The camp is amazing and all the schools that attend are VERY interactive with all the skaters. Prep school isn't the only option obviously, but for some (many as of late) it makes sense as far as the quality of coaching and competition that they will experience. I really wish that we'd see more teachers of the game in So Cal like Peter. There are some good coaches out there, but they're getting much harder to find, unfortunately. I now can understand why a few orange county parents chose to play for peter and make that brutal drive. Well worth it if you can make his team and can afford the time. Your kid will learn a TON about the game and most importantly. Life
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on March 28, 2018, 09:58:17 AM
So with Spring Season upon us, what are the best Bantam clinics to go to? Be honest with the pros and cons.




1 Vote for Burbank whatever Peter is doing is good.
Just finished the weekend in Burbank at the Bears Prep School camp. Peter is hands down one of the most passionate teachers of the game. He has a very clear plan with all his teams as well as with other players that show an interest in moving on. The camp is amazing and all the schools that attend are VERY interactive with all the skaters. Prep school isn't the only option obviously, but for some (many as of late) it makes sense as far as the quality of coaching and competition that they will experience. I really wish that we'd see more teachers of the game in So Cal like Peter. There are some good coaches out there, but they're getting much harder to find, unfortunately. I now can understand why a few orange county parents chose to play for peter and make that brutal drive. Well worth it if you can make his team and can afford the time. Your kid will learn a TON about the game and most importantly. Life
I've heard nothing  but good things about PT .
BUT.....
At this level, we've all been around the block.  There is ALWAYS a new coach De Jour, every year.  This year it's PT's turn. Next year, who knows.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Stanley on March 28, 2018, 11:32:18 AM


Trevor Wada at the Wave in Artesia ain't chopped liver either.  His Wednesday scrimmages will be good.

Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on March 28, 2018, 01:45:59 PM
BUT.....
At this level, we've all been around the block.  There is ALWAYS a new coach De Jour, every year.  This year it's PT's turn. Next year, who knows.
Yeah, except for last year when he took the 02's to Nationals.  And 5 years ago when his squirts won the SCAHA championship.  That club has had some bumps but there is no doubt that the new ownership and the coaching leadership of PT have turned it around 180 degrees.  Like them or not, you gotta give credit where it's due.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Nowhearthis on March 28, 2018, 02:04:59 PM
Peter's coaching style is refreshingly straight forward and methodic yet personal.  Somehow he is one of the only coaches to raise up a team to be better as a whole.  Players systematically work together and each line scores points in every game.   What is not to like here?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on March 28, 2018, 02:45:37 PM


Trevor Wada at the Wave in Artesia ain't chopped liver either.  His Wednesday scrimmages will be good.

Agreed, Wednesday scrimmage at Wave should be excellent. Wada Wave may not be the flavor of the month, but road to State next year will have to go thru Artesia.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on March 28, 2018, 03:04:13 PM
BUT.....
At this level, we've all been around the block.  There is ALWAYS a new coach De Jour, every year.  This year it's PT's turn. Next year, who knows.
Yeah, except for last year when he took the 02's to Nationals.  And 5 years ago when his squirts won the SCAHA championship.  That club has had some bumps but there is no doubt that the new ownership and the coaching leadership of PT have turned it around 180 degrees.  Like them or not, you gotta give credit where it's due.
Hold up there cowboy !!
I have NOTHING  against Da bears/PT.   They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy.  Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears.  Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch.  ;)
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: dionnefan on March 28, 2018, 04:43:46 PM
Yeah, except for last year when he took the 02's to Nationals.  And 5 years ago when his squirts won the SCAHA championship.  That club has had some bumps but there is no doubt that the new ownership and the coaching leadership of PT have turned it around 180 degrees.  Like them or not, you gotta give credit where it's due.


I met PT 5 years ago. My sons were on his 2003 team that won the SCAHA and CAHA championships. He had just been hired by the Bears. I still remember being in the meeting during tryouts when he told all the parents "Trust me with your player. We may not be good this year, we may not be good next year, but stick with me and I'll have your player at the AAA level by the time it matters." 5 years later, there are a couple of kids who quit hockey, but for the rest, he delivered on his promise.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: BlindZebras on March 28, 2018, 05:35:34 PM
Hold up there cowboy !!
I have NOTHING  against Da bears/PT.   They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy.  Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears.  Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch.  ;)
Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself  ;D


Not saying you have an ax to grind, just pointing out that the Bears are not a flash in the pan.  Over the past 5 years they have displayed steady improvement, at many levels, not just PT's teams.  They've had players rotate in and out of that program, but their in-house development is pretty good.  Most of the boys going to Natties this year played Bantam A last year.


WW, OC, and the Bears will be fun to watch next year, keep us posted.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: LAhockey on March 29, 2018, 08:40:59 AM
Hold up there cowboy !!
I have NOTHING  against Da bears/PT.   They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy.  Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears.  Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch.  ;)
Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself  ;D


Not saying you have an ax to grind, just pointing out that the Bears are not a flash in the pan.  Over the past 5 years they have displayed steady improvement, at many levels, not just PT's teams.  They've had players rotate in and out of that program, but their in-house development is pretty good.  Most of the boys going to Natties this year played Bantam A last year.


WW, OC, and the Bears will be fun to watch next year, keep us posted.


Too bad they are going to lose their rink
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on March 29, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
Hold up there cowboy !!
I have NOTHING  against Da bears/PT.   They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy.  Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears.  Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch.  ;)
Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself  ;D


Not saying you have an ax to grind, just pointing out that the Bears are not a flash in the pan.  Over the past 5 years they have displayed steady improvement, at many levels, not just PT's teams.  They've had players rotate in and out of that program, but their in-house development is pretty good.  Most of the boys going to Natties this year played Bantam A last year.


WW, OC, and the Bears will be fun to watch next year, keep us posted.


Too bad they are going to lose their rink

Allegedly! but who knows when or even if. 
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: LAhockey on March 29, 2018, 09:01:16 AM
Hold up there cowboy !!
I have NOTHING  against Da bears/PT.   They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy.  Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears.  Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch.  ;)
Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself  ;D


Not saying you have an ax to grind, just pointing out that the Bears are not a flash in the pan.  Over the past 5 years they have displayed steady improvement, at many levels, not just PT's teams.  They've had players rotate in and out of that program, but their in-house development is pretty good.  Most of the boys going to Natties this year played Bantam A last year.


WW, OC, and the Bears will be fun to watch next year, keep us posted.


Too bad they are going to lose their rink

Allegedly! but who knows when or even if.


It would be a shame, they are a great club.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Avcadet on March 29, 2018, 09:26:44 AM
Hold up there cowboy !!
I have NOTHING  against Da bears/PT.   They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy.  Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears.  Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch.  ;)
Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself  ;D 





Not saying you have an ax to grind, just pointing out that the Bears are not a flash in the pan.  Over the past 5 years they have displayed steady improvement, at many levels, not just PT's teams.  They've had players rotate in and out of that program, but their in-house development is pretty good.  Most of the boys going to Natties this year played Bantam A last year.


WW, OC, and the Bears will be fun to watch next year, keep us posted.


Too bad they are going to lose their rink
From what I know, developers want to replace Pickwick with high density apartments. Surrounding neighborhoods putting up a big fight to not have that happen. Time will tell depending on what sort of back room deals are cut,
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Bear71 on March 29, 2018, 12:50:39 PM
Pickwick will go down as soon as the rinks in Reseda on Sherman Way are built.  Been waiting how long on that now?
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: socalhockeydad on March 29, 2018, 03:22:17 PM
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on March 29, 2018, 04:23:42 PM
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!
Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on March 29, 2018, 06:48:52 PM
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!
Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!

Yes he wants 12 Million
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on March 29, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!
Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!

Yes he wants 12 Million


Not bad considering the original loan was 2.8M
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on March 29, 2018, 09:11:53 PM
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!
Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!

Yes he wants 12 Million



Not bad considering the original loan was 2.8M


Kings offered 8 a while back I heard Too bad he didn't sell it.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Puck Yeah on March 30, 2018, 07:16:18 AM
To the best of my recollection when I looked up the property history when all the rumors were floating around the property was refinanced during the boom up to 11M pulling out 3M in equity.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: trans4761 on March 30, 2018, 08:27:51 AM
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!
Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!

Yes he wants 12 Million



Not bad considering the original loan was 2.8M


Kings offered 8 a while back I heard Too bad he didn't sell it.
Might be worth the 12.


Breakfast burritos are really good.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: MO-ICETIME on March 30, 2018, 06:31:42 PM
To the best of my recollection when I looked up the property history when all the rumors were floating around the property was refinanced during the boom up to 11M pulling out 3M in equity.
Now it makes sense! Trans... The Referee sandwich is where it's at man!! And the fries are better than McDonald's!!
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: Pistonkev on March 30, 2018, 07:03:01 PM
To the best of my recollection when I looked up the property history when all the rumors were floating around the property was refinanced during the boom up to 11M pulling out 3M in equity.
Now it makes sense! Trans... The Referee sandwich is where it's at man!! And the fries are better than McDonald's!!


Always more fries then one should eat too.
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: socalhockeydad on April 01, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
I just heard that Justin Bieber is looking to lead the investment in a new rink in the valley...sounds crazy, except its well known that he plays in the beer league at the VIC (parking his $100k cars in handicapped spots & making out with Selena gomez), is from Canada, loves hockey and has been looking into how to give back to the LA community.


Sounds like a real possibility since he has the $$$$ and is good friends with Dave the owner of the VIC. They even have a proposed name "Bieber Ice Center" the BIC
Title: Re: Predictions for AA?
Post by: JakesDad01 on April 01, 2018, 12:53:18 PM
April fools??? :D