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Hockey Discussions => Squirt Hockey => Topic started by: OCHockeyDad07 on August 13, 2017, 11:02:00 PM
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Where is everyone playing Labor Day Weekend?
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Oilers Squirt BB will be at the Fun in the Sun tournament at our home rink (SDIA).
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Jr Ducks will be at TSC for the Jr Kings tournament.
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Anyone know where the Jr Reign Sq BB are playing for labor day?
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Anyone know where the Jr Reign Sq BB are playing for labor day?
I would say a the great BF Invitational along with JR Team Teal/red/pink :P
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Anyone know where the Jr Reign Sq BB are playing for labor day?
I would say a the great BF Invitational along with JR Team Teal/red/pink :P
I suspect that is the case. I don't see them at the other 3 Sq BB tournaments in So Cal. All other teams are accounted for so they must be playing some stiff competition out there in Riverside.
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So now that Labor Day Tourney games are over we have a few standouts and the rest seem to be bunched together.
Kings (1), Gulls (1) and SDIA Oilers won their respective tournaments decisively:
Kings beat Maple Leafs 12-3 in final game, 5 wins with no losses and outscored opponents 42-16 overall
Gulls beat Goldrush 6-0 in final game, 4 wins no losses and a tie and outscored opponents 36-9 overall
Oilers beat Red Wings 11-2 in final game, 5 wins with no losses and outscored opponents 38-3 overall
Any of these teams going to move to Sq A? If not these will certainly be the top 3 this season.
Biggest surprise was OCHC, expected better showing after the strong Sq B season and many top returning players.
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There are 12 declared Sq A teams for this preseason, and in the Rinks tournament there were very few lopsided defeats. And the teams that did get blown out, were usually somewhat competitive in their other games. Only one team didn't win at least 1 game, and they were from Montana. We'll find out more once pre-season gets started, but so far teams are looking fairly competitive.
Even so, I'm guessing there will be some movement for sure. Because unfortunately, every year there will be some teams dropping that totally shouldn't be dropping to Sq BB (see the Mariners last season who dropped from A to BB and outscored opponents 110-40 while going 12-2-1 before flaming out in the playoffs). It's even worse with some of the teams that perennially sandbag in Sq B, but really belong in Sq BB.
Glad my son is now in A, so we don't have to worry about the sandbaggers as much ;D
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I don't think the Mariners belonged in A last season. If you looked at their results during last year's Early Bird tournament when they were playing SQ A, they lost by an average of 8-2. If you look at pre-season last year, while they played SQ A, they lost by an average of 10-2. For the actual season, playing BB, they won by an average of 7-3. Clearly they were better aligned in BB.
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The Mariners were a borderline team last year, average win 7-3 in BB vs. losing by 10-2 in A preseason (where they faced the top teams only). If they stuck it out in A they would have won a few games. They would have been competitive with the bottom few teams. Instead they were competitive with the top few teams in BB. What better?
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Mariners were not an A team last year...got smoked early and often. Going, at best, 2-13 on a season ain't worth it.
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Oilers beat Red Wings 11-2 in final game, 5 wins with no losses and outscored opponents 38-3 overall
Any of these teams going to move to Sq A? If not these will certainly be the top 3 this season.
My son plays for the Oilers BB team. Compared to the Jr Gulls Squirt A team (the only A team in San Diego) we are DEFINATELY not A level.
The BB division in the Fun in the Sun tournament at SDIA only had three teams (Oilers, Red Wings, and Jr. Gulls 2). No offense to either team as they were great kids/parents that exuded ultimate sportsmanship... but they were probably better suited for SCAHA B. During the round robin we beat the Gulls 10-0 and 6-0. We beat the Red Wings 7-1 (with the sole goal coming from a coaching snafu when we called a defensive line change while the Red Wings were on a break-away giving their player an unimpeded 1-on-1 against goalie). We beat them later that same day 4-0.
The Red Wings definitely stepped it up during the Championship Game and scored two goals during our 11-2 victory, but at the same time our coaches tried to get every player on our team a goal in the tournament and tweaked the lines moving our defenders up to forward and vice-versa.
Then again, we played the CA Heat at their home rink in Panorama City yesterday during our first pre-season game and beat them 17-0.
My son is one of three 2007's that played on the Oilers BB team last year that were held back from playing-up with the Pewee BB team this year. We are definitely less talented this season vs. last year (where were finished 12th overall with a 6-8 record and didn't make the playoffs). So far, we've yet to face-off with the same level of talent that we encountered last season. Either the BB division had way more talent last year, or we just haven't had a chance to play them yet.
We'll find out soon enough now that the season has begun! Good luck everyone!
So happy SCAHA hockey is back and can't wait for October 4th for the NHL to startup again too. The world just doesn't feel right when it's not hockey season!
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Certainly the Oilers, Kings (1) and Gulls (1) are the class of Sq BB this year. It's going to be tough for any other teams in Sq BB to beat them.
The Jr Ducks (1), Jr Ducks (2) and Goldrush seem to be the next level but still about 3-4 goals behind the top 3.
Condors and Jr Reign haven't played enough to get much idea on how they will match up with the best of Sq BB but suspect they aren't in the top.
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Oilers beat Red Wings 11-2 in final game, 5 wins with no losses and outscored opponents 38-3 overall
Any of these teams going to move to Sq A? If not these will certainly be the top 3 this season.
My son plays for the Oilers BB team. Compared to the Jr Gulls Squirt A team (the only A team in San Diego) we are DEFINATELY not A level.
The BB division in the Fun in the Sun tournament at SDIA only had three teams (Oilers, Red Wings, and Jr. Gulls 2). No offense to either team as they were great kids/parents that exuded ultimate sportsmanship... but they were probably better suited for SCAHA B. During the round robin we beat the Gulls 10-0 and 6-0. We beat the Red Wings 7-1 (with the sole goal coming from a coaching snafu when we called a defensive line change while the Red Wings were on a break-away giving their player an unimpeded 1-on-1 against goalie). We beat them later that same day 4-0.
The Red Wings definitely stepped it up during the Championship Game and scored two goals during our 11-2 victory, but at the same time our coaches tried to get every player on our team a goal in the tournament and tweaked the lines moving our defenders up to forward and vice-versa.
Then again, we played the CA Heat at their home rink in Panorama City yesterday during our first pre-season game and beat them 17-0.
My son is one of three 2007's that played on the Oilers BB team last year that were held back from playing-up with the Pewee BB team this year. We are definitely less talented this season vs. last year (where were finished 12th overall with a 6-8 record and didn't make the playoffs). So far, we've yet to face-off with the same level of talent that we encountered last season. Either the BB division had way more talent last year, or we just haven't had a chance to play them yet.
We'll find out soon enough now that the season has begun! Good luck everyone!
So happy SCAHA hockey is back and can't wait for October 4th for the NHL to startup again too. The world just doesn't feel right when it's not hockey season!
I do see the Oilers Sq B team from last year is mostly intact on your sons team and they were 12-2-1 in SCAHA with the top scorers still all there so no surprise they are top in Sq BB this year.
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Oilers beat Red Wings 11-2 in final game, 5 wins with no losses and outscored opponents 38-3 overall
Any of these teams going to move to Sq A? If not these will certainly be the top 3 this season.
My son plays for the Oilers BB team. Compared to the Jr Gulls Squirt A team (the only A team in San Diego) we are DEFINATELY not A level.
The BB division in the Fun in the Sun tournament at SDIA only had three teams (Oilers, Red Wings, and Jr. Gulls 2). No offense to either team as they were great kids/parents that exuded ultimate sportsmanship... but they were probably better suited for SCAHA B. During the round robin we beat the Gulls 10-0 and 6-0. We beat the Red Wings 7-1 (with the sole goal coming from a coaching snafu when we called a defensive line change while the Red Wings were on a break-away giving their player an unimpeded 1-on-1 against goalie). We beat them later that same day 4-0.
The Red Wings definitely stepped it up during the Championship Game and scored two goals during our 11-2 victory, but at the same time our coaches tried to get every player on our team a goal in the tournament and tweaked the lines moving our defenders up to forward and vice-versa.
Then again, we played the CA Heat at their home rink in Panorama City yesterday during our first pre-season game and beat them 17-0.
My son is one of three 2007's that played on the Oilers BB team last year that were held back from playing-up with the Pewee BB team this year. We are definitely less talented this season vs. last year (where were finished 12th overall with a 6-8 record and didn't make the playoffs). So far, we've yet to face-off with the same level of talent that we encountered last season. Either the BB division had way more talent last year, or we just haven't had a chance to play them yet.
We'll find out soon enough now that the season has begun! Good luck everyone!
So happy SCAHA hockey is back and can't wait for October 4th for the NHL to startup again too. The world just doesn't feel right when it's not hockey season!
I do see the Oilers Sq B team from last year is mostly intact on your sons team and they were 12-2-1 in SCAHA with the top scorers still all there so no surprise they are top in Sq BB this year.
One of our player's Dads puts together these awesome videos. Here are the highlights from the game vs. the CA Heat yesterday.
https://youtu.be/OHOgrO0MFio (https://youtu.be/OHOgrO0MFio)
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What happened to all the Oiler's Squirt Coaches? Did they forget some paperwork?
http://scaha.com/scaha/suspensions.xhtml
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Anybody who is coaching has to be properly certified (safe hockey, etc.) and I had heard that SCAHA made a sweep to disallow all of those coaches who are not. That is probably what happened.
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Oiler_Dad, how did your Oilers do against the Goldrush (it's still not posted on SCAHA)?
I think we are starting to see the separation between the top tier Sq BB, the second tier and the rest.
Top 5 in no particular order:
Jr Gulls (1)
Jr Kings (1)
Oilers
Goldrush
Jr Reign (a bit unsure about this one with only 2 games)
Next 5:
Jr Ducks (1)
Jr Ducks (2)
OCHC
Maple Leafs
Jr Condors
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Oiler_Dad, how did your Oilers do against the Goldrush (it's still not posted on SCAHA)?
We got spanked pretty bad and lost 5-2. The Goldrush even scored two short-handed goals back-to-back about 30 seconds apart. They were a pretty physical team and it was a wake-up call and great finally seeing some good competition. Also, #5 is supposedly Kevin Bieksa's son... pretty cool!
Here are the highlights:
https://youtu.be/XLQ_ndYiZKg (https://youtu.be/XLQ_ndYiZKg)
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Jr Ducks (2) beat Jr Reign 6-5. It was a tight game, fun to watch.
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Jr Ducks (2) beat Jr Kings (1), 6-3.
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Oilers beat the Burbank Bears 5-0. It could have easily been a 10-goal game, but the Bears little goalie stood on his head.
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Anyone hear if there will be any movement in Squirt? Any Sq A teams moving down, Sq BB teams up/down or Sq B team moving up?
Also what is happening with the LA Lions? They playing Sq BB SCAHA or just exhibition games?
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I could see both heat teams moving down, but the heat in SqA could stay and at least be competitive with the any of the mid-table teams on down. So maybe just heat bb moves to b.
I know gulls bb 1 will not be moving up. They tried to get the gulls bb1 team to move up to A last season after they went undefeated through preseason. We scirimmmaged our A team to prove what a crazy idea that was and lost 9-2. Then finished in like 10th place in the regular season.
It's all about which teams you get matched up with in preseason. They can make you look like all-world when you are mediocre, or at least competitive when you should be moving down.
Should know here in a week.
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The heat BB team is not moving parents want to play BB. Heard rumor that three or 4 would leave team if them moved down. However the flyers b team is moving up to BB. Haven't heard of any other movement.
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Trying to fit 53 squirt teams into 3 divisions is a little crazy. You have maybe 8-10 teams at the top of B and BB, and 4-6 in A that are competitive with each other. You could clearly separate this out into 4-5 divisions and have most teams playing at an appropriate level of competition.
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Trying to fit 53 squirt teams into 3 divisions is a little crazy. You have maybe 8-10 teams at the top of B and BB, and 4-6 in A that are competitive with each other. You could clearly separate this out into 4-5 divisions and have most teams playing at an appropriate level of competition.
There definitely is a gap between the top and bottom of all three squirt divisions but it never will be perfect and 5 divisions in Squirt is crazy. Problem is some squirt B teams should really just be playing in house and the bottom A teams and BB teams should drop to the lower division.
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Trying to fit 53 squirt teams into 3 divisions is a little crazy. You have maybe 8-10 teams at the top of B and BB, and 4-6 in A that are competitive with each other. You could clearly separate this out into 4-5 divisions and have most teams playing at an appropriate level of competition.
BBB...easy way to get the extra letter :o
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Hahaha, yes that extra letter is important! ;) I guess I'm just use to having 7 Atom divisions with around 10 to 12 teams at each skill level. No letters just 1-7 and more competitive games.
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Looks like Heat and Jr Gulls (2) dropped from BB to B. Both smart decisions based on their pre-season showings.
Jr. Flyers moved up from B to BB after a 4-0 preseason with 41 goals scored with 7 against.
Mariners and Wave are confusing me however. Preseason had 1 Mariners team each at A and B. Regular season has one Mariners at A, BB and B. There is also a Wave team that moved up to Squirt A... yet the Wave teams at BB and B are still there. Neither the Wave in Squirt A, nor the Mariners in BB are scheduled for any games though they show up in the standings bracket. We also added a 54th team somehow??? ???
Sort it out SCAHA!
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Squirt BB sure is quite. Any predictions for the first weekend of the regular season?
Ducks (2) v. Gulls will be game of the weekend. I think it's going to be interesting to see which 5-0 team from preseason is for real. It's too close to call, should be a pick'em.
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Looks like SDIA and Gold Rush will be in he finals.
Congratulations to those teams
I was at my nephews game and saw the GR win in the semis.
It's too bad that the GR coach is such an ***hole and those kids have to be around such a poor role model. Parents should question what behaviors this guy is instilling in heir kids
As an opposing teams injured player skated past his bench he said to the kid that "he should have called a stretcher". Apparently he felt the 9 year old wasn't injured enough and was upset over the drawn penalty. Classless individual.
If it was my kid he said it to, he'd be needing the stretcher.
Way to go coach.
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Just got home from Nor Cal......traffic was jacked up !!
Congrats to Jk1 in winning BB Silver Stick regional vs Wave. JK winning 6-3, in a game that was closer than score indicates. Off to Silver Stick Championship in Ontario (Canada), good luck.
Better you than me ;)
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Apparently he felt the 9 year old wasn't injured enough and was upset over the drawn penalty.
Heh... anyone who's played that Gulls team knows they drop like soccer players. We've played them a few times, and I can think of a couple of jersey numbers that really dish it out but can't take it.
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Good luck to the California Wave and the JKs at the Silver stick finals this weekend.
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What happens to their SCAHA game this weekend? Who will get the points?
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What happens to their SCAHA game this weekend? Who will get the points?
Not sure. We'e managed teams before, but have never come across both teams playing the same tournament scheduled to play each other the same week. It' listed st a 0-0 tie. That would say 1 point each. I' not sure that would work. BOTH teams not being able to make it.
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Trying to jump start this thread!
Looks like the battle for the last couple of playoff spots is going to be close.
Wave beat Kings 2 this morning 6-0.
Any news on the Sat games? Please post some score updates from this weekend.
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Oilers and Condors tied 3-3
Gulls beat Reign 9-4
OC beat Ducks 4-1
What going to happen with the Wave/Kings forfeit? Both team couldn’t play that game.
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Oilers and Condors tied 3-3
Gulls beat Reign 9-4
OC beat Ducks 4-1
What going to happen with the Wave/Kings forfeit? Both team couldn’t play that game.
Neither received points.
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Looks like both got 1? In standings shows as a tie.
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So what were some sores this weekend ?
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Jr Ducks 2 beat Lions 9-0
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Hi all. Quick question. Our Squirt BB team has made it into the SCAHA playoffs in Riverside in a few weeks. Yesterday we were notified by our team manager that we will be required to pay additional fees to SCAHA to cover the expense of the additional playoff games. We didn't make playoffs last year, so I have no experience how this works. Does anyone know if SCAHA charges playoffs fees to teams... or is our rink just trying to squeeze some more $$$ from us?
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Typically, the LOI you signed at tryouts will spell out what is included and what isn't. Playoffs usually are an extra cost and can include practice ice, coaches fees, and the cost of the playoff game ice/officials as well. If you are looking at a price tag north of $300, you might have cause to think your club is squeezing you.
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Last year playoffs ran about $1600 per team regardless of how far your team advanced in the SCAHA playoffs. This only covers the playoff fee, you will have to check with your club about additional fees for practices etc. If your team makes it to CAHA (top 2 from SCAHA) then there is an additional fee for the State tournament. SCAHA will notify your manager what the fees are and when they are due. I hope that helps.
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Thank you Hockeycamper and Bear71. I appreciate the feedback and confirmation.
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What going to happen with the Wave/Kings forfeit? Both team couldn’t play that game.
Does anyone know what happened with this game in regards to points awarded?
It appears as though both teams were awarded a point according to the standings.
That makes no sense IMO.
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What going to happen with the Wave/Kings forfeit? Both team couldn’t play that game.
Does anyone know what happened with this game in regards to points awarded?
It appears as though both teams were awarded a point according to the standings.
That makes no sense IMO.
I agree. They didn't actually play the game, so they shouldn't be awarded any points for it.
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Any scores ??
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Any scores ??
Ducks (1) 1 - Kings (1) 1
From Feb 11: Red Wings 5 - Golden Bears 0
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Any scores ??
Ducks (1) 1 - Kings (1) 1
From Feb 11: Red Wings 5 - Golden Bears 0
Why hasn't the RW game been posted ??
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Anyone know why the standings are showing only 15 games played?
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SCAHA has decided pull some strings again to benefit the Ducks and screw over the Red Wings. Because months ago the bottom ranked lions and ice dogs had a game canceled, scaha decided to remove a game from every team. All of the top 8 teams had a win removed. But miraculously the 9th place Ducks had a loss removed so now the Red Wings drop to 9 and the Ducks move to 8. Scaha of course does it at the last minute when the Ducks were about to miss the playoffs. I’d be pissed if I were the Red Wings. Scaha cooked the books on the website last night and hoped no one would notice.
I heard this second hand so take it with a grain of salt.
This is major BS.
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Bummer. Don't know ANY of the details here but that's how the even the # of games:
27.5 SCAHA will ensure that all teams within the same division will have the same number of games
count toward standings. However, SCAHA does not guarantee that all divisions will play the
same number of preseason or regular season games. The League will assure that all divisions
will play no less than fifteen (15) regular season games. If the overall regular season game
schedule for a division provides that some teams will be playing more regular season games
than other teams in the same division, the League Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner, in
the presence of the Executive Committee or Board of Directors, may select on a random basis
(by lot or in some other manner which eliminates the possibility of a subjective selection) one
(1) or more games which will not count toward the standings for each team in the division
which is scheduled to play more regular season games than the others so as to assure that all
teams will have the same number of games count toward standings. The game or games which
will not count toward the standings shall not be disclosed until after all the games so selected
have been played.
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I also heard that the reason for the canceled game between the lions and the ice dogs was because the lions had a tournament up north. Seems like that should be a no-no. Certainly a poor reason to re-shuffle the standings a few days before playoffs.
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Bummer. Don't know ANY of the details here but that's how the even the # of games:
27.5 SCAHA will ensure that all teams within the same division will have the same number of games
count toward standings. However, SCAHA does not guarantee that all divisions will play the
same number of preseason or regular season games. The League will assure that all divisions
will play no less than fifteen (15) regular season games. If the overall regular season game
schedule for a division provides that some teams will be playing more regular season games
than other teams in the same division, the League Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner, in
the presence of the Executive Committee or Board of Directors, may select on a random basis
(by lot or in some other manner which eliminates the possibility of a subjective selection) one
(1) or more games which will not count toward the standings for each team in the division
which is scheduled to play more regular season games than the others so as to assure that all
teams will have the same number of games count toward standings. The game or games which
will not count toward the standings shall not be disclosed until after all the games so selected
have been played.
Not Will select but may select. Sounds like the rule is written rather loosely and is not enforced on a mandatory basis but rather as a situation dictates.
Rule 27:10 clearly states that NO CANCELLATIONS WILL BE PERMITTED!
Any team or teams that cancel a game will be a forfeit.
If it was the Lions who played a tournament that weekend, then they should have forfeited the game and points awarded to both them and the Ice Dogs accordingly....either 0 or 1.
Ironic that on the same weekend, the Wave and the Kings (1) were scheduled to play each other but both teams went to Silver Sticks tournament. Both received 0 points and the game listed as a forfeit as is written in the rules.
Something else to consider is the fact that both teams involved, Ducks and Lions finished last and next to last in the division and had nothing to do with the teams in contention for the playoffs. That should have been considered at season's end.
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TOTAL FUCKN BULLSHIT !!!
My kid played BB they fairly were eliminated on the last day. Congratulation to the RW.
NOW the board, that is controled by jd/jk decide that it' going to CRUSH the spirit, unfairly of a bunch of 10/9 year olds.
SHAME ON YOU..... R.F. (scaha)
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If this situation would have benefited a small club and kick out a jk/jd club is bet all the money in the world if would not hsve played out the same.
The jds should feel ashamed to make it in this way.
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If this situation would have benefited a small club and kick out a jk/jd club is bet all the money in the world if would not hsve played out the same.
The jds should feel ashamed to make it in this way.
These are kids. The games should be decided on the ice by the kids
and not by grown men/women in a boardroom!
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Congratulations, SCAHA! You just turned a group of 9 and 10 year-old kids into cynics. I know these kids, and I know they worked their tails off to try to make the playoffs this year. They upped their workouts, they went to extra stick times, and they won 4 of their last 5 games to qualify. If it's one thing youth sports are supposed to teach our kids, it's that hard work and determination pay off. Ask yourselves, what have you taught these kids today with this bureaucratic, overly complicated nonsense? Seriously, arbitrarily taking two points from an 8 seed and not the 9 seed? Did you even think this through? As a Ducks' parent, I find this disgusting and shameful.
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What is wrong with SCAHA. I wonder if anyone could do the right thing? ???
Chris Carcerano
SCAHA Commisionerccarcerano@gmail.com
(949) 280-6774
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Okay, got more info.
* The Lion's v Ice Dogs were scheduled to play 1/14/18.
The Lion's chose to play a MLK tournament that weekend.
According to Scaha rules, that should be a forfeit. It should have ended right there.
* There is a provision in the rules, I believe it is 27:15 which provides for a situation whereby if the regular schedule is unbalanced, there is a process to create equal numbers of games for all teams but this was not the case here. The Lion's v Ice Dogs game was on the regular schedule. The original schedule was balanced. One team could not make it on 1/14/18. Once again, that is a forfeit! Why should one team's decision to not play a game affect the other 18 teams in the division?
That makes zero sense.
* The standings were displayed on the Scaha site last night showing the Red Wings in 8th with 20 pts and the Ducks in 9th with 19 pts.
Later that night, the standings show the Ducks in 8th with 19th points and the RW in 9th place with 18 pts.
So what happened?
A bizarre decision was made to have each of the other 17 teams not invloved in the canceled game have 1 game not count in the standings in order for all teams to finish with 15 games. Why? A scheduled game was forfeited. There should have been no need for further action. 0 points to the team that forfeited and award points to the team that didn't forfeit according to Scaha rules.
* Even stranger, the game that was not going to count in the final standings was never disclosed to any of the 17 clubs but would be revealed after all of the secret/no count games had been played. WHAT?
Did the league bother to inform the clubs that this was happening? Of course not. It was kept under wraps and not even revealed until last night after the season was over.
Well apparently, by some remarkable coincidence, the Jan 7th game between the Wings and Ducks (Wings won 6-4) was selected as the game for the Wings that was not going to count in the standings. Really? In short, the RW had an on ice win and 2 pts taken away while the Ducks had a loss removed and 0 pts taken away.
Puhlease!
* In short, only 1 team was affected by the decision to randomly/secretly have 1 game not count in the final standings and that team was the RW.
A few other playoff teams lost positioning but none of them have to deal with the heartbreak which the 9/10 yr olds from the RW will have to deal with after believing they had earned a playoff spot only to have it ripped away from them.
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Gotta like consistency. In PWA, the Lady Ducks forfeited a game due to a tournament conflict, yet that result still is reflected.
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More SCAHA bullshit......
Thanksgiving Silver Stick regional tournament.
Jk beat Wave to get the western bid to finals in Ontario Canada. JK accepts bid seemingly giving Wave a forfit win, because game Vs Wave is that same weekend.. Weeks later Wave gets invite to same tournament. Accepts bid, AFTER jk had already accepted. SCAHA rules that both would forfit game. Zero points for each. One can argue that gsme was already forfited
And Wave could do whatever it wanted that weekend. Of course since it involved one of the "Golden Child" teams, it didn' turn out that way.
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Well apparently, by some remarkable coincidence, the Jan 7th game between the Wings and Ducks (Wings won 6-4) was selected as the game for those two teams that was not going to count in the standings. Really? In short, the RW had an on ice win and 2 pts taken away while the Ducks had a loss removed and 0 pts taken away.
Puhlease!
If that is true it is even worse, they are sending a team that lost a head to head game to the playoffs and eliminating the team that won. What a bunch or royal A-holes.
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They said since the Lions went to a CAHA weekend they canceled the game making an inbalance is schedule. The 18th and 19th teams only played 15 games so they took away a random game (bs) from each team and now the Ducks are in and the RW are out. Seems like a complete fair way to operate.
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What, did they go to watch the games?
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They said since the Lions went to a CAHA weekend they canceled the game making an inbalance is schedule. The 18th and 19th teams only played 15 games so they took away a random game (bs) from each team and now the Ducks are in and the RW are out. Seems like a complete fair way to operate.
I don't care if they went to an NHL tryout......they violated a Scaha rule and should forfeit the game period!
The rule clearly states NO CANCELLATION OF A SCHEDULED GAME and all cancelled games will count as forfeits.
It doesn't say "No cancellation of a scheduled game with the exception of CAHA events."
Has anyone bothered to shove this rule under their noses and asked them to wriggle their way out of it?
Here it is as written on the Scaha rules page.
27:10
No cancellations of games listed on the master schedule will be permitted. Any team refusing to play a game at any time in the preseason, regular season, or playoff seasons, will forfeit the game and pay forfeiture fees.
Or perhaps this rule
32.04
Any Scaha team wishing to play in tournaments or exhibition games must notify the Scaha statistician in advance of proposed games. The Scaha statistician must give permission for these games to be played. These games must not interfere with Scaha preseason, regular season or league playoff games. Requests to play are automatically denied if the tournament games conflict with league scheduled games.
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Sooooooo, is the Red Wing board going to do anything about it or simply bow down to the system?
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The RW definitely need to protest, as should all teams. Otherwise, this could happen to any team in the future, and the regular season really means nothing if the “favorites†will always make it.
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The worst part is the Red Wings were completely unaware that finishing in a playoff position would not necessarily guarantee them a spot.
Scaha, should have notified all teams 2 months ago that there would be a game subtracted from their record at some undisclosed (yeah, I'm serious) date.
These games which were to be subtracted from the 17 clubs, occurred in early January so the league had plenty of time to inform teams of what they were doing as a result of the canceled game (should have been a forfeit) between the Lions and Ice Dogs.
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SCAHA has decided pull some strings again to benefit the Ducks and screw over the Red Wings. Because months ago the bottom ranked lions and ice dogs had a game canceled, scaha decided to remove a game from every team. All of the top 8 teams had a win removed. But miraculously the 9th place Ducks had a loss removed so now the Red Wings drop to 9 and the Ducks move to 8. Scaha of course does it at the last minute when the Ducks were about to miss the playoffs. I’d be pissed if I were the Red Wings. Scaha cooked the books on the website last night and hoped no one would notice.
I heard this second hand so take it with a grain of salt.
This is major BS.
no way. I feel there has to be another side to the story. That's too egregious.
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Has SCAHA issued an official explanation? I’d like to hear how the cancelled games were selected.
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I am pretty sure you do not just cancel SCAHA A/B games.
Either they are a forfeit, or they have to be played (rescheduled) - if there were other circumstances.. (like a fire, missing refs, loss of ice, etc).
It needed to be either a forfeit, or a makeup game created.
The option of removing games seems a very backward way to solve an issue where one team could not show up.
Not clear that Squirt players in CAHA Girls rules have any mandated tournaments like the higher levels.
Sounds like a completely botched effort from start to finish.
I would protest the crap out of it.
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If you kid wants to play Hockey in CA get used to SCAHA and CAHA only favoring their clubs.
If you are not on The Kings, Ducks or Sharks it's going to be a pattern of this.
I hate this but it's 100% the truth.
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scaha games cannot be rescheuled, only CAHA games.
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Outrageous. Sue.
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scaha games cannot be rescheuled, only CAHA games.
100% not true.
SCAHA A/B games cannot be canceled unless its a loss of ice situation - and they are not even canceled, they are just RESCHEDULED to a later date.
Looks like the reschedule part was never done, or they just looked at where the teams were in standings and said never mind.
But then used that missing game as a reason to strip all the other teams of a game. (Very bad idea).
This was a very poor decision made. When the season is finalized, SCAHA already knows what teams have more games then others to make up for odd number of teams.
Its usually 1-2 teams in a division that gets a game removed to bring them inline with the rest of the teams. I have never seen an entire division drop games for the sake of a scheduling error (failure to create a makeup game).
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Two SqA Ducks teams chose to go to tournaments instead of play a regular season game this year. Both were given forfeits.
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SCAHA should not have messed with the standings. Now, they’re either going to have disappointed kids on the Wings or the Ducks. One of the team’s hopes were raised and then crushed because of a poorly thought out decision.
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scaha games cannot be rescheuled, only CAHA games.
100% not true.
SCAHA A/B games cannot be canceled unless its a loss of ice situation - and they are not even canceled, they are just RESCHEDULED to a later date.
Looks like the reschedule part was never done, or they just looked at where the teams were in standings and said never mind.
But then used that missing game as a reason to strip all the other teams of a game. (Very bad idea).
This was a very poor decision made. When the season is finalized, SCAHA already knows what teams have more games then others to make up for odd number of teams.
Its usually 1-2 teams in a division that gets a game removed to bring them inline with the rest of the teams. I have never seen an entire division drop games for the sake of a scheduling error (failure to create a makeup game).
It has always been my understanding that scaha games could not be rescheduled unless, I imagine there is ice problems OR your a JK or JD ::)
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"It has always been my understanding that scaha games could not be rescheduled unless, I imagine there is ice problems OR your a JK or JD ::) "
Trans you are right. Scaha Rules 27.10 and 32.04 should be amended to make the JK/JD exceptions clear.
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A RW mom here...
Yes, this whole situation is unfair. That’s not how the season should end for our boys. They know how to deal with their own losses, as upsetting as those might be, failures are part of learning and getting stronger in the game of hockey and in the game of life. But this is different.... I was trying to explain the whole thing to my smart 10-years old. He understood all the technicalities, so I added something like: “sometimes bad luck, incompetence or malevolent intentions of other people get on the way of your success despite your best effort. We don’t know what exactly happened here... “ He gave me a sharp look and replied: “Of course, it was intentional! Corruption... †Perhaps, as an immigrant from another country I did too good of a job teaching my children how everything in society could be much much worse, how motivating fair competition could be, how important it is to maintain standards, follow rules, and speak the truth as you know it, etc. Fighting or even approaching SCAHA most likely will be a loosing game and a waste of time for our small club on this one. I personally wouldn’t go all out just to secure my son’s team position in the playoffs. There is more to hockey than just one lost spot in the playoffs and there is more to life than my son’s hockey. If it’s just one unlucky incident, I’m more than willing to forgive and forget. But if the practices of SCAHA are not fair or ethical, eventually it will effect all of our kids. We don’t want them to become cynical or feel and act like resentful victims. That might be something worse fighting for.
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My son is one of SCAHA’s victims. He is the goalie. Ranked 3rd in the league. He is the 3rd smallest kid on the team. He has ADHD. He has to work extra hard to achieve his goals. Thank you SCAHA, for nothing I guess. Today is his birthday, and I get to explain “biased corruption†to my 11 year old. I get to explain why big corps want to eliminate diversity. Let’s just have 10 Duck teams and 10 kings teams and be done with it... well, that’s what’s actually going on anyways. The last mom and pop club is here, and everybody is sitting back waiting for it to die. Thanks Ducks! Thanks SCAHA! What an example!
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Has anyone noticed that almost all of the SCAHA board is from OC? Clear Ducks bias there.
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My son is one of SCAHA’s victims. He is the goalie. Ranked 3rd in the league. He is the 3rd smallest kid on the team. He has ADHD. He has to work extra hard to achieve his goals. Thank you SCAHA, for nothing I guess. Today is his birthday, and I get to explain “biased corruption†to my 11 year old. I get to explain why big corps want to eliminate diversity. Let’s just have 10 Duck teams and 10 kings teams and be done with it... well, that’s what’s actually going on anyways. The last mom and pop club is here, and everybody is sitting back waiting for it to die. Thanks Ducks! Thanks SCAHA! What an example!
I feel sorry for your son and club. We have always played for smaller clubs and have been screwed over many times. SCAHA and CAHA is what is killing CA hockey.
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Two SqA Ducks teams chose to go to tournaments instead of play a regular season game this year. Both were given forfeits.
Actually 3 SqA teams missed scheduled games . 1 got a reschedule. 2 we’re forfeit.
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Two SqA Ducks teams chose to go to tournaments instead of play a regular season game this year. Both were given forfeits.
Actually 3 SqA teams missed scheduled games . 1 got a reschedule. 2 we’re forfeit.
You mean they didn't deem it a canceled game and subtract a random game from the other 17 teams in the division so all teams could play the same amount of games?
That's just wacky. ::)
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Two SqA Ducks teams chose to go to tournaments instead of play a regular season game this year. Both were given forfeits.
Actually 3 SqA teams missed scheduled games . 1 got a reschedule. 2 we’re forfeit.
You mean they didn't deem it a canceled game and subtract a random game from the other 17 teams in the division so all teams could play the same amount of games?
That's just wacky. ::)
You think that’s the only thing Wacky? SCAHA forced Ducks1 to forfeit on a pre requested date for a tournament. Ducks 3 the same. Ducks2 had to fly a goalie back from the NHL cup in Dallas early(both goalies were there) and play without 3 defenders to avoid a forfeit. The Kings2 was able to request and reschedule to an earlier Sat. to avoid a forfeit. They lost anyway. So yes SqA was a bit wacky! Not as bad as this drop a random game garbage! SCAHA should be ashamed.
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Wow what a mistake by the board. The schedule should never have had the girls playing a scaha game on MLK. They are required to play in that game (all girls programs have mandatory participation). Look at the schedule for girls they all will be off why the schedule didn't allow that game to be rescheduled is crazy. The game in PWA for the LD was a forfeit since it wasn't a required tournament just like the boys teams that went away for a tourney. I don't understand how all of the organizational presidents voted to allow this? This decision would have been made at the meeting with all of the presidents (small and large teams) voting. So a small team has a say as much as a big team. If this didn't happen it should be asked of the RW president why this was allowed. Definitely seems to be an injustice. Sorry to all of the teams effected.
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Heard that 'RW back in playoffs.
Anyone confirm ....
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It looks like that is the case.
Just checked standings and it shows RW back in 8th.
Curiouser and curiouser.
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Heard that 'RW back in playoffs.
Anyone confirm ....
Just made a call.
It is confirmed.
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How many "Now I feel bad for the Ducks" comments you think we'll see posted? Vegas has set the over/under at 1.5.
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How many "Now I feel bad for the Ducks" comments you think we'll see posted? Vegas has set the over/under at 1.5.
I'l take the under
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It will be interesting to see how the RWs respond. If they get blasted, I cant wait to hear their excuses
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I feel bad for the Ducks, that it took 3 days to fix what was wrong. A bizarre move, to say the least. I just joined this blog because of my son. So as an outsider, i rely on all of you and your assertive comments as our back up. WE ARE NOT SAYING THIS STUFF. I was the 2nd person to respond from our club, late last night at a “meaningless practice†It was the 2nd “meaningless practice†btw, so hope had dimmed, and I thought y’all should here from a real kid. As for this meeting of presidents, all I can say is that we are a small, tightly wound bunch of parents who are putting in extra time and money to make our kids eligible to participate. We must have the smallest club in the league, mind you the oldest, quite frankly your lucky to have us! Next year we could be another Duck, King or a Wave... woo! I hope that the Ducks coaches/ parents were aware and understanding of the situation from the get go, and didn’t raise their spirits too high. I certainly know the feeling now. I can tell you a lot of us over here have been in fog for 3 days... coaches have been unable to sleep. It has affected us to the core. As of right now only one kid is aware of the news. Thank you again to those of you who shared your information and those of you that pointed out all the “wackyness†thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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And here is another WR parent who responds with gratitude toward the people who did the right thing and toward all the supporters. Our boys might get blasted on ice, but that’s another story that has nothing to do with SCAHA rulings. They got back the chance that they rightfully earned, the rest is up to them. Thanks again to all who stood by us! And if anything like that happens to your team, don’t keep silence
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It will be interesting to see how the RWs respond. If they get blasted, I cant wait to hear their excuses
Gee, Ron, bitter much? That was a bit uncalled for.
Doesn't matter if they get blasted. They are the longest shot on the board but that doesn't matter. Fact is, they deserved to go based on their season and it was a Scaha oversight that caused this riff to begin with. Thank you Scaha for correcting it.
Trust me, there will be no excuses.
You know how many kids showed up for their sqt tryout? 13
Can you guess how many kids made the team? 13
How many kids do you suppose the Kings had to choose from? The Ducks? Gulls? OCHC? Gold Rush? I am guessing anywhere between 40-80?
The coaches took this group of 9/10 yr olds, who you choose to belittle, and turned them into a proud group through a lot of hard work and tough practices. All with 1 goal in mind....make the playoffs. So hats off to the kids and the coaches.
I don't care if they lose every game 10-0. They earned their spot and now they have it.
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It will be interesting to see how the RWs respond. If they get blasted, I cant wait to hear their excuses
They are 8th place, they are supposed to get blasted.
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It will be interesting to see how the RWs respond. If they get blasted, I cant wait to hear their excuses
Some tools can't be returned to Home Depot.
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Wow, Rob. Hate kids much?
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Just sayin, be careful what you wish for. My son plays for Jr. Kings so I have no dog in the fight, it's pretty amusing to say the least. Bear71, you must be a real blue light special yourself.
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And it was more the excuses of the parents not the kids. Just want to clarify
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And it was more the excuses of the parents not the kids. Just want to clarify
From the comments from the "parents" of the RWs you can tell they have no delusions about their team. They earned 8th place not 1st and they know it. It seems like quite an accomplishment, made through hard work from their players and coaches, given their low numbers at tryouts.
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Just sayin, be careful what you wish for. My son plays for Jr. Kings so I have no dog in the fight, it's pretty amusing to say the least. Bear71, you must be a real blue light special yourself.
To know me is to love me, sweetheart.
"Blue light special"? The 1970's called; they want their"burn" back.
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CAHA Director Application for 2018-2020
Any person interested in serving as a CAHA Director shall be eligible for election providing they are in good standing with both USA Hockey and CAHA. Nominations must be submitted by April 1, 2018:
I am announcing today my candidacy for the President of CAHA.
I pledge to continue in the organization’s long and proud history of shenanigans and buffoonery. In fact, I promise MORE shenanigans and MORE buffoonery. There is no kickback too small nor backroom agreement too shady that I won’t consider. Hearsay will be treated as fact. Innuendo as truth.
Want a CAHA weekend? You can have it! Don’t like the PDR rule? I can change it! Want that investigation into your roster manipulation ended? I’m your man!
As long as I’m getting greased, I will ALWAYS side in your favor.
I pledge to blindly support the big clubs and crush the little guy. The big clubs can have ALL the star players, and those ambitious, pathetic small programs will take the scraps and enjoy it (looking at you California Wave!). These are among the REAL issues in 2018. And it is on the basis of these issues that the voting members of the Vacaville Metropolitan Area must make their fateful choice for our future.
Vote for me, and together, we can make CAHA great again!
SUPPORTED BY THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS:
The Hobo Village Bureau of Tourism
United Toll Road Collectors Union of the Greater Boston Area
The Orange Country Daddy Coaches Caucus
05 Children of Russia Hockey Placement Agency
The Ghost Players Association of Southern California
CAHA PDR Regulation Board
The Westminster Police Department
KHS Hazmat Team & Zamboni Drivers Union
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That took some effort, but worth it.
CAHA Director Application for 2018-2020
Any person interested in serving as a CAHA Director shall be eligible for election providing they are in good standing with both USA Hockey and CAHA. Nominations must be submitted by April 1, 2018:
I am announcing today my candidacy for the President of CAHA.
I pledge to continue in the organization’s long and proud history of shenanigans and buffoonery. In fact, I promise MORE shenanigans and MORE buffoonery. There is no kickback too small nor backroom agreement too shady that I won’t consider. Hearsay will be treated as fact. Innuendo as truth.
Want a CAHA weekend? You can have it! Don’t like the PDR rule? I can change it! Want that investigation into your roster manipulation ended? I’m your man!
As long as I’m getting greased, I will ALWAYS side in your favor.
I pledge to blindly support the big clubs and crush the little guy. The big clubs can have ALL the star players, and those ambitious, pathetic small programs will take the scraps and enjoy it (looking at you California Wave!). These are among the REAL issues in 2018. And it is on the basis of these issues that the voting members of the Vacaville Metropolitan Area must make their fateful choice for our future.
Vote for me, and together, we can make CAHA great again!
SUPPORTED BY THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS:
The Hobo Village Bureau of Tourism
United Toll Road Collectors Union of the Greater Boston Area
The Orange Country Daddy Coaches Caucus
05 Children of Russia Hockey Placement Agency
The Ghost Players Association of Southern California
CAHA PDR Regulation Board
The Westminster Police Department
KHS Hazmat Team & Zamboni Drivers Union
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That was the point Bear.. it was more to let you know how weak your Home Depot “burn†was. You seem to be one for attention, such a shame that you take such pride in your calhockey posts. I wonder if your boss would approve that you spend so much time on here? I peg you for around 50, assistant Vice President (tops) can’t get past middle mgmt, maybe have an online degree and drive a bright blue Chevy Caprice?
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That was the point Bear.. it was more to let you know how weak your Home Depot “burn†was. You seem to be one for attention, such a shame that you take such pride in your calhockey posts. I wonder if your boss would approve that you spend so much time on here? I peg you for around 50, assistant Vice President (tops) can’t get past middle mgmt, maybe have an online degree and drive a bright blue Chevy Caprice?
Wow, I got you all wrong; you do know me. Let me go back to my pathetic life now before my boss finds out what I really do all day.
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CAHA Director Application for 2018-2020
Any person interested in serving as a CAHA Director shall be eligible for election providing they are in good standing with both USA Hockey and CAHA. Nominations must be submitted by April 1, 2018:
I am announcing today my candidacy for the President of CAHA.
I pledge to continue in the organization’s long and proud history of shenanigans and buffoonery. In fact, I promise MORE shenanigans and MORE buffoonery. Therpooe is no kickback too small nor backroom agreement too shady that I won’t consider. Hearsay will be treated as fact. Innuendo as truth.
Want a CAHA weekend? You can have it! Don’t like the PDR rule? I can change it! Want that investigation into your roster manipulation ended? I’m your man!
As long as I’m getting greased, I will ALWAYS side in your favor.
I pledge to blindly support the big clubs and crush the little guy. The big clubs can have ALL the star players, and those ambitious, pathetic small programs will take the scraps and enjoy it (looking at you California Wave!). These are among the REAL issues in 2018. And it is on the basis of these issues that the voting members of the Vacaville Metropolitan Area must make their fateful choice for our future.
Vote for me, and together, we can make CAHA great again!
SUPPORTED BY THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS:
The Hobo Village Bureau of Tourism
United Toll Road Collectors Union of the Greater Boston Area
The Orange Country Daddy Coaches Caucus
05 Children of Russia Hockey Placement Agency
The Ghost Players Association of Southern California
CAHA PDR Regulation Board
The Westminster Police Department
KHS Hazmat Team & Zamboni Drivers Union
First, congrats on your lil Greyzkys victory over the hobos. In their envy, sicking The Domestic Ice Department on your misunderstood ass.. They say geniuses are misunderstood. Puzzled why they can't understand you.
You had my vote until you blasphemed my boys club. They were scraps not too long ago, but have done ok recently. Got $5 that they go farther than you newly beloved JKs next year.
Hope you get a seat on the board this year. You'e got 2 years to impliment your agenda. Let me know when your doing you fund raising love rally. I'll bring the Tecate Lite.
Cheers !
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Bear, I’m glad I could free you from purgatory.. now let me buy you a beer 🍺
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Let them get blasted... they earned it! They will get more experience than sitting at home watching mom and dad stew all weekend. I wasn’t sure what Ron was saying at first either, but I am just happy to be apart of the chirping. Best loss all season. Tbt King’s 2012 you forget already?
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So it looks like they decided to declare the Lions an exhibition team and all wins against them were removed from the standings.
huh...ok. Better late than never I suppose.
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Finally some life!! Squirt BB thread is fun!
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It will be interesting to see how the RWs respond. If they get blasted, I cant wait to hear their excuses
They are 8th place, they are supposed to get blasted.
Legend has it that last year's PWAA GSE2 kids told the 9th place OC kids that they were gonna get blasted too...
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The real question is going back through all these posts, the mom who was complaining about her goalie son on the red wings who is the 3rd ranked goalie stated he is 11 years old? How is that possible, thought squirts were 9 and 10 year olds?
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The real question is going back through all these posts, the mom who was complaining about her goalie son on the red wings who is the 3rd ranked goalie stated he is 11 years old? How is that possible, thought squirts were 9 and 10 year olds?
Some 07s are 11 already.
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The real question is going back through all these posts, the mom who was complaining about her goalie son on the red wings who is the 3rd ranked goalie stated he is 11 years old? How is that possible, thought squirts were 9 and 10 year olds?
Could have a 1st quarter birthday and still be an 07, which is Squirt age. I can explain it to you over that beer.
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Got it, what is your watering hole? I’m Buying
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Best of luck to the RW! Your not in, but you eek in, then your not in again, and you are in again (right decision). So lets see what damage you can do in post season.
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At this point I think everyone will be rooting for the RW's. :-*
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At this point I think everyone will be rooting for the RW's. :-*
Lets Go Red Wings!
Stick it to the Man !
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Lets Go Red Wings!
Stick it to the Man !
GO REDWINGS GO! Even a single victory would be impressive for the bottom seed.
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The Redwings barn - I believe is the Home of the Englewood Jack!
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Good Luck Red Wings!!!!
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First off, let me say congratulations to the Oilers for a hard fought game. It was fun to watch, the kids were respectful of the game, and just a fun morning from that aspect.
However, the great game between the reign and the oilers was SOILED by the worst officiating I've ever seen. It was poor both ways, so I'm trying to not be biased here. But when the referee has to blow 3 offsides down because the linesmen are in La la Land, and both teams scored goals after obvious offsides, this is a serious issue.
The referee had no control of the game, made horrible decisions. Either way this very close game could have gone, the officiating crew played a major role, which of course is the last thing any of us want.
I would hate for this "crew" to play such a major role in any other playoff game, or for that matter any game in the future (next season and beyond).
Is there a legitimate way to ensure that these knuckleheads no longer referee kids hockey games?
Again, congratulations to the Oilers.
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Good Luck Red Wings!!!!
Looks like the Wings did alright after all that talk of being blown out. Nice job Redwings, you gave a big middle finger to the man!
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As a college hockey player, I did just enough to get a level1 certification so I could ref college in-house league games for cash, and I'll be the first to admit that it's a lot harder than you might think.
The reffing issues will never be resolved if the leagues don't increase pay. Most experienced refs do not want to get up early to ref kids games, and get yelled at by parents for spare change, so you are left with mostly inexperienced and beginner refs. This should be fairly obvious to most observers, as you regularly see people out there who can't skate well enough to keep up with 10 year olds, to say nothing of kids who are 12+.
There is also, understandably, some institutionalized regional bias, as refs work within their locale and may or may not start to lean a bit towards the local teams from the rinks they work at.
In summary, don't expect even adequate performance from youth hockey refs and you won't be disappointed. The attitude of the various leagues towards the refs, is that they may make mistakes, but at the end of the day, teams and parents are expected to sit and watch the games respectfully and accept whatever degree of competency the refs are able to muster.
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Good Luck Red Wings!!!!
Looks like the Wings did alright after all that talk of being blown out. Nice job Redwings, you gave a big middle finger to the man!
Wings did just fine.
They won a game.
Lost to the Gulls (who doesn't?) and lost a tough one to the Oilers. Wings had a 2 goal lead half way through that game but couldn't quite hang on. Nice job Oilers.
The chalk looks good tomorrow in Valencia with the Gold Rush and Gulls advancing to a possible showdown next week in Anaheim.
Of course, it's hockey, so upsets are always a possibility and nothing would surprise me.
Good luck to all teams.
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The chalk looks good tomorrow in Valencia with the Gold Rush and Gulls advancing to a possible showdown next week in Anaheim.
Of course, it's hockey, so upsets are always a possibility and nothing would surprise me.
Looks like there was another close game between the Oilers/Goldrush but what happened to the Gulls yesterday?