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What teams and coaches will be out there next season? I've heard that the Gold Rush will have a team but we don't know there coach or any of the others. Who is recommended for development and fielding competitive teams?
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Several of the Tier 1 teams were mostly 03's...the Bears Tier 1 have an 04 goalie but rumor is that he is going Kings AAA next year so that should make for a change there.
From tier II the Saints had a strong team and haven't heard of there being too much change there so they may be strong next year.
Wave 2 (Wada) was an all 04 team and everyone I have heard has confirmed going back so I do not think there will be much change there either and should make for a strong competitive team.
The Bears have 2 '04 Goalies and heard that 1 will be back and strong chance both will!
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I was under the impression that Tier 1 is AAA and AA is Tier 2.
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I was under the impression that Tier 1 is AAA and AA is Tier 2.
Sorry meant Flight 1...I'll fix it.
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
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No problem InDZone just some Friday afternoon attempt at humor. :P :o
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Sounds like the goal of this years Bear team that's playing in nationals right now... ;)
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Several of the Flight 1 teams were mostly 03's...the Bears Flight 1 have an 04 goalie but rumor is that he is going Kings AAA next year so that should make for a change there.
From Flight II the Saints had a strong team and haven't heard of there being too much change there so they may be strong next year.
Wave 2 (Wada) was an all 04 team and everyone I have heard has confirmed going back so I do not think there will be much change there either and should make for a strong competitive team.
I thought Saints had a number of 03s and some of their better 04s were gunning for the extra A this year. Also heard talk not too long ago of players splitting off that team. Could be mistaken of course, lots of rumors this time of year.
Hear the Wave are staying together and looking at several strong additions. Tailgate is habit forming, I guess. Hard to see who their competition will be next year but that's why they play the games.
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Sounds like the goal of this years Bear team that's playing in nationals right now... ;)
Aren't they mostly 03's? Hope they make it far...looks promising so far. They should do well in Midgets next year.
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Sounds like the goal of this years Bear team that's playing in nationals right now... ;)
That's a realistic goal if you're good enough to get to nationals. Otherwise, more like a pipe dream.
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Sounds like the goal of this years Bear team that's playing in nationals right now... ;)
That's a realistic goal if you're good enough to get to nationals. Otherwise, more like a pipe dream.
I think you misunderstand... The Goal he is saying is to go to Nationals.. Win CAHA= Advance to Nationals. That doesn't sound like a Pipe Dream for the WW.
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Rumors have it that WW's core will be back and another top 04 kid all but committed. With some minor tweaks/addition, road to State will have to go thru Artesia next year. I think rumors were flying because Wada's spring skates have yet to start but you know what they say, gotta love rumors... Facts can be so misleading, where rumors, true or false, are often revealing.
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Someone is a bit nervous.
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Sounds like the goal of this years Bear team that's playing in nationals right now... ;)
That's a realistic goal if you're good enough to get to nationals. Otherwise, more like a pipe dream.
I think you misunderstand... The Goal he is saying is to go to Nationals.. Win CAHA= Advance to Nationals. That doesn't sound like a Pipe Dream for the WW.
I see your point -- I read it differently as saying WW's goal is nationals (realistic for them) as opposed to prep school (which seems to be the push at the Bears, but not realistic unless they have another group as strong as this year's team).
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Sounds like the goal of this years Bear team that's playing in nationals right now... ;)
That's a realistic goal if you're good enough to get to nationals. Otherwise, more like a pipe dream.
I think you misunderstand... The Goal he is saying is to go to Nationals.. Win CAHA= Advance to Nationals. That doesn't sound like a Pipe Dream for the WW.
I see your point -- I read it differently as saying WW's goal is nationals (realistic for them) as opposed to prep school (which seems to be the push at the Bears, but not realistic unless they have another group as strong as this year's team).
Oh they will have a group as strong this year.
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"Oh they will have a group as strong this year. "
Not from what I've seen and heard, not even close, unless they have a secret team in hiding.
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Someone is a bit nervous.
Not as nervous as the families that have no idea where they are playing next year.
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Sounds like the goal of this years Bear team that's playing in nationals right now... ;)
That's a realistic goal if you're good enough to get to nationals. Otherwise, more like a pipe dream.
I think you misunderstand... The Goal he is saying is to go to Nationals.. Win CAHA= Advance to Nationals. That doesn't sound like a Pipe Dream for the WW.
I see your point -- I read it differently as saying WW's goal is nationals (realistic for them) as opposed to prep school (which seems to be the push at the Bears, but not realistic unless they have another group as strong as this year's team).
Oh they will have a group as strong this year.
There’s so much change and movement there that who knows...maybe competitive but as strong as this year is very doubtful. I have also heard the goalie movement.
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I expect more movement than is being telegraphed. To start with, the league 17/18 was heavily packed with 03's throughout who have moved on to 16U Munchkin level. Only WW and
Kings 2 from last year can stay intact. So there will be many opportunities to play closer to home or regroup with old friends around another coach if you are so inclined. Teams with the most 04's will get Flight I status so coaches must collect them (you can see this happening now). Compound this with the Prep School exodus (in T1 and T2) and those electing to join the ever improving High School scene and there will be a lot of openings for A players to move up. The other scenario (less likely) is the concentration of the fewer players into fewer than last years 18 teams. We all know there continues to be a handful of clubs that cannot field winning talent year after year. It would be healthier for them to play in their letter bracket but obviously not all agree. To each his own.
It's open season as usual. :D
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Keep hearing WW team is splitting up. In talking to parents they are all in for next year. Always a little turnover in every team but families are pretty tight knit ( alcohol welds). Last year was the building block for this year. Families are all in. Goal in Artesia next year is Nationals, not Prep school. ;)
Someone is a bit nervous.
Not as nervous as the families that have no idea where they are playing next year.
;D
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"Oh they will have a group as strong this year. "
Not from what I've seen heard, not even close, unless they have a secret team in hiding.
I will be bumping this when you see their team They might have 2 AA teams in Bantams.
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"Oh they will have a group as strong this year. "
Not from what I've seen heard, not even close, unless they have a secret team in hiding.
I will be bumping this when you see their team They might have 2 AA teams in Bantams.
That's what I've heard they're telling people. Don't be surprised if one of those teams drops after tryouts are over and everyone has signed.
If the Bears will be such a juggernaut this year why aren't they letting their kids participate in any of the Memorial Day tournaments this spring, so they can see how they stack up against the competition before signing on the dotted line? That doesn't add up. People need to use their heads.
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What teams and coaches will be out there next season? I've heard that the Gold Rush will have a team but we don't know there coach or any of the others. Who is recommended for development and fielding competitive teams?
I noticed a lot of people have strong opinions about which Bantam AA teams would be strong upcoming year. It reminds me of last year when most, including I, thought OC will be the team to beat. They had everything going for them all major year (03) players, big which in lot of people's mind equates to better, had lots of returning players some of whom had played for the same coach for many years. We all know how their season couldn't end soon enough. Ducks Bantam AA was claiming to be national bound as well. They didn't make it to states.
The teams that made it to states were all coached by very good seasoned coaches that have a pedigree to take their teams to play offs year after year. Which brings me to the second part of your question DEVELOPMENT.
By far Peter at Bears and Brad at Empire, not in any particular order, rank as the top two coaches for player development. Brad seems to have a knack for taking combo teams to play offs year after year. I have seen his teams grow a lot by the time year ends which is what you want for your kid. I am sure similar great things can be said about Peter.
Some, rightfully so, would also vouch for Saints Bantam AA and Wave 2 Bantam AA coaches as well. They probably rank in the second tier of player development. I don't see anyone at OC that can help a Bantam AA level player grow.
Most of us have a faint heart. We want to play with friends that we know and do not want to leave club/coach due to loyalty. A high level coach gave me an example of how that can be detrimental to your kid's future if you want to make somewhere in hockey. Look at today's OHL draft and you'd notice a California kid, yes a California kid, made it. He has played for GSE, Kings. Pretty much every year he's had a different coach. He kept growing faster than other kids on the team and despite getting good coaching, he had no choice but to move teams. Fake loyalty to coaches or clubs and the desire to join teams that are already good may not be the best decision if development is important to you and your player.
Play your kid for a good coach that will help your kid develop. Don't go to a team that is already good. Your kid may not learn much by watching team mates on their loaded team from the bench. For the last two years we made the toughest, and the best, decision (s) to change club and coaches. Leaving friends wasn't easy for the kid and we know the families on a personal level so that was hard. Parents on our previous teams hated us but both years the same parents came back and told us you did the best thing for your kid. They wished they made the same decisions for their boys that our son made for himself.
Explain to your kid decision have consequences. Ask your child what matters to them and help them make the decision.
Good luck.
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By far Peter at Bears and Brad at Empire, not in any particular order, rank as the top two coaches for player development. Brad seems to have a knack for taking combo teams to play offs year after year. I have seen his teams grow a lot by the time year ends which is what you want for your kid. I am sure similar great things can be said about Peter.
There are plenty of other good coaches around.
I have had plenty of opportunity to watch PT in action, and I would be happy to have my kid on his team, given the opportunity. What seems to be glossed over, is that he coached the nucleus of his Bantam team since they were squirts. Very few people get the chance to have their kids develop under the same coach for 5 years. Based purely on the rumor mill, I wouldn't be surprised to see another strong Bantam AA Bear team this season, due to the dysfunctional CAHA AAA system. Not unlike last season, some kids will come in and pick up some spots. But it will not be the same type of PT team as last season, because the entire group will be getting PT for this season only.
What is also true is that there are going to be kids who have played at the Bears since they were mites, who will never have the opportunity to play on a PT coached team. Some kids will have their only opportunity this season, and as we all know after that the Bears program ends.
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CAHA's dysfunction may not be entirely their fault. In AAA you have basically tournament teams that are built to need to regularly roam thousands of miles to get experience (and notice). The education part (even so called homeschool or online) suffers dearly. AA is not much better the way it is run (which is their fault) with completely unnecessary Nor Cal trips dominating the schedule. Next year there will be even less of a reason to travel North for AA since they are fielding a 2nd AAA team, weakening what they had in AA.
IMO So Cal does not need CAHA in either AA or AAA to function. Really, it is NorCAl that can't function without SoCal's subsidy. I have found this lamenting discussion going on inside every team. The parents who fund and endure this are not dumb and it is a big part of the declining rosters locally as they age up. To use Ben Franklin's parable, we learn sooner or later how much to give up for the whistle.
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"Some kids will have their only opportunity this season, and as we all know after that the Bears program ends."
We all don't know, so please share more of your "the end is near" story (unless tongue was firmly planted in cheek, as you've been known to do every now and again).
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"Some kids will have their only opportunity this season, and as we all know after that the Bears program ends."
We all don't know, so please share more of your "the end is near" story (unless tongue was firmly planted in cheek, as you've been known to do every now and again).
Lol!! I think he means after the Bantam program..... I've learned to translate Icedad language!!
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Yes, I mean that the Bears don't field teams beyond Bantam.
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CAHA's dysfunction may not be entirely their fault. In AAA you have basically tournament teams that are built to need to regularly roam thousands of miles to get experience (and notice). The education part (even so called homeschool or online) suffers dearly. AA is not much better the way it is run (which is their fault) with completely unnecessary Nor Cal trips dominating the schedule. Next year there will be even less of a reason to travel North for AA since they are fielding a 2nd AAA team, weakening what they had in AA.
That is a great point. What do Socal teams get from membership in CAHA? Following the implementation of AA Flighting, CAHA dictated that Socal teams play the jamboree in SJ, then turn around in 2 of 3 divisions that didn't have a single Norcal team, and still play a CAHA weekend in Norcal.
In regards to AAA, the CAHA franchise system is dysfunctional by ruleset. Its purpose is to effectively limit AAA teams so that only a small percentage of players can or will participate. It's particularly galling when the Norcal franchise hasn't been competitive in 95% of all the games in divisions where they did field a team. Thanks to these rules, the Titans have to lose their longstanding AAA teams. Other programs don't want to deal with the red tape, limited local competition, and extensive travel requirements, even when they have a team that could compete with local AAA teams.
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That is a great point. What do Socal teams get from membership in CAHA?
Well, they get to remove their children from classroom teaching, make hotel reservations and buy plane tickets and rent cars, and travel for 2 half days and restaurant out - all for themselves, parent(s) and the coaches while staying at places they would never go otherwise. [/size] Over and over again for 7-8 months!! Genius !! (Again, IMO we give up and spend too much for the whistle.)Then years later, you may decide to keep up the same routine in one of the many juniors leagues instead of heading off to College. At least we'll be programmed for it.
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Some really good stuff posted here, stick taps.
I think the one thing that AA parents get in having their minor player play AA is the age differences and not specific birth year games at AAA. There are big age differences in juniors and at prep school. This comes with the possibility of more injuries at bantam.
What Torson has created with the Bears are kids with good grades that are headed to prep schools. Some of those kids never played for a super club. A good chunk of that team will be headed out of California next year.
I do not believe the flights in tier II will dissuade clubs from playing tier. If anything I think it will make it even more difficult to limit it to 16 teams. I know of clubs that were looking at bantam A teams that are now considering fielding a AA team or two AA teams.
If you have a very talented major year player and want national exposure, you basically have 4-6 teams to consider at bantam in California or like so many you need to consider opportunities elsewhere. From a cost standpoint, all of these decisions for many parents and kids "chasing the whistle" are made much more complicated with the consideration of private high school.
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RETURN OF JABBA.
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Wow, Westside, uh, Mr. Trump, uh Mike Gordon?
You say PK is a moderator and is all over the website, yet here you are knowing his every move?
Stalker much?
Maybe you should worry about yourself and the fact that you have been kicked out
Of so many clubs because you are a nut job. Didn’t you send someone dick pics at some point? I don’t know you personally, but I can only assume that the camera you used had a legit Zoom feature for
That tiny unit you are clearly compensating for.
Keep it real, Westside, Mr. Trump, Mike G, and good luck with your quest for a new team this season that doesn’t know about your[size=78%] sparkling personality. [/size]
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Wow, Westside, uh, Mr. Trump, uh Mike Gordon?
You say PK is a moderator and is all over the website, yet here you are knowing his every move?
Stalker much?
Maybe you should worry about yourself and the fact that you have been kicked out
Of so many clubs because you are a nut job. Didn’t you send someone dick pics at some point? I don’t know you personally, but I can only assume that the camera you used had a legit Zoom feature for
That tiny unit you are clearly compensating for.
Don’t worry about Other people kids and maybe focus on your own kid since he is prone to meltdowns and attacking people with his stick when the Refs aren’t looking. Direct reflection of his daddy I guess.
Keep it real, Westside, Mr. Trump, Mike G, and good luck with your quest for a new team this season that doesn’t know about your[size=78%] sparkling personality. [/size]
Mic has dropped
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Is Trans the 800 pound Wave parent who thinks its cool to pound alcohol before games? The only thing winning in your life buddy is cholesterol...
I'll see my 800 and raise you metric ton. .
Walking Cain not far off got you Jabba.
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"PT has a cool program over in Burbank where kids are getting 10k off a year to go to a 40k a year school."
A prep school for only 40k a year? Where, North Korea? PT really must be a genius.
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That Goalie who wacked the crap out of that WW kid was prob thinking it was Trans kid... Direct reflection of his dad? maybe.. Direct reflection of WW Parents and their immature behavior...ABSOLUTELY
That' probably the most right on point thing you've ever posted .
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Trans is JABBA.. Dig on your 58 waist.
There can only be one Jabba. Dont sell yourelf short.
AND I DO MEAN SHORT.
Stil shopping for you wardrobe at Omar The Tent Makers , you "personal" Tailor ?
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At the end of last year, some of us immature wave parents were going to chip in and buy you some Southwest vouchers. We know that when you go to tournaments you need to buy 3 seats. One for your little angle and 2 for u. We felt that was bull shit. So we took up a collection. Immature people are very supportive, unlike your car seat. But then playdowns. happened....MELTDOWN !!.
Long story short, we figured you won't be going to any
Y tournaments in the near future, so we had to give all "immatures" their money back.
SWEET !
New pair if 58s for me !
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THAT' MR. FATSO TO YOU JABBA !
That one really hurt :(
Your post are getting better and better.
Take the rest of the day off, decompress, think about what to come back with.
I'LL GIVE you ummm, till this afternoon. Think pleasant thoughts and then come back with a good comeback.
If a squeezer needs to be done to clear your mind so be it.
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Trump is gone for repeatedly violating the obvious guideline of not insulting kids on this site.
Anyone else who wants to cast aspersions on 15 year olds will also be banned.
That is all.
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Mr or Ms Moderator.
Good riddance.
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Banished after a few hours......that's gotta be some kind or record.
Even Zam lasted longer that that.
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2018/19 Bantam AA Teams (Does this look right?)
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[/size]Kings 2
[/size]Ducks 1
[/size]Ducks 2
[/size]Wave 1
[/size]Wave 2
[/size]OCHC 1
[/size]OCHC 2
[/size]Gulls 1
[/size]Gulls 2
[/size]GSE 1
[/size]GSE 2
[/size]Empire
[/size]Goldrush
[/size]Bears
[/size]Flyers
[/size]Mariners
[/size]Saints
[/size]Colts
[/size]Blackhawks
[/size]Sharks
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San Diego Saints will have a 2004 Bantam AA team(Matt Beaty) and a 2005 Bantam AA team(Josh Robinson)
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2018/19 Bantam AA Teams (Does this look right?)
Kings 1
Kings 2
Ducks 1
Ducks 2
Wave 1
Wave 2
OCHC 1
OCHC 2
Gulls 1
Gulls 2
GSE 1
GSE 2
Empire
Goldrush
Bears
Flyers
Mariners
Saints
Colts
Blackhawks
Sharks
I would be surprised to see a Colts or Blackhawks team in AA--the Blackhawks MIGHT have the numbers...
The rest of the NorCal teams look accurate.
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If they keep things status quo, it looks like CAHA will have there hands full determining which 16 teams will make it. I wonder if the evaluation jamboree will be in So Cal this Labor Day.
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The Jr. Ducks have announced their AA coaches. https://www.jrducks.com/tryouts
Looks like they will have good coaches for Bantam, Kohn 05's and Surdin 04's
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You can add to that list Bears having 2 teams, probably core 04 and core 05.
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Blackhawks usually have AA teams every year and show a coach for one. Colts have no tryout dates for any AA teams this year.
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Given that almost all the teams are in SoCal, the labor day jamboree will definitely be in San Jose. Book your plane tickets and hotels now!
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Wondering if they may split it up this year due to the fact that San Jose is doing maintenance and may only have 2 available rinks at that time.
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Wondering if they may split it up this year due to the fact that San Jose is doing maintenance and may only have 2 available rinks at that time.
Will the e Irvine rink be open by then?
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Wondering if they may split it up this year due to the fact that San Jose is doing maintenance and may only have 2 available rinks at that time.
Good point. They will probably have us commute between San Jose and Vacaville for games that weekend.
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Or Fremont and/or Oakland. Didn't they have some games in Fremont last year?
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Or Fremont and/or Oakland. Didn't they have some games in Fremont last year?
Yes let's spread it around! Always enjoy family trips to Fremont and need more of them! Kind of like Alisso Viejo but so much farther away, and just different enough to be refreshing.
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Wondering if they may split it up this year due to the fact that San Jose is doing maintenance and may only have 2 available rinks at that time.
Will the e Irvine rink be open by then?
Great Park Ice in Irvine won’t be opening until November... ish.
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Blackhawks usually have AA teams every year and show a coach for one. Colts have no tryout dates for any AA teams this year.
my buddy from NorCal says the Blackhawks likely won’t have a 14AA team as the talent isn’t there. although they have fielded a few pretty awful teams in the past couple years, specifically at this birth year group.
for a different thread, but the same dad said even their 16AA and 18AA will be well below subpar...
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Personally from what I know of their 16 AA team last year I doubt that they will have a subpar team as I only know of their goalie so far leaving for Juniors. I know it is a different year and kids do move. However the coach from the 16 team the last couple of years will be the 18 coach.
But we'll see as tryouts haven't even officially started yet.
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Stockton will be lucky to have any A teams next year never mind AA. Pretty much running that club into the ground and they raised fees more than 30% even though they can barely field minimum rosters. Most of their best players are leaving for other programs to escape the toxic environment.
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Blackhawks usually have AA teams every year and show a coach for one. Colts have no tryout dates for any AA teams this year.
my buddy from NorCal says the Blackhawks likely won’t have a 14AA team as the talent isn’t there. although they have fielded a few pretty awful teams in the past couple years, specifically at this birth year group.
for a different thread, but the same dad said even their 16AA and 18AA will be well below subpar...
Yes, some of the families from BH that I know are talking about ratcheting it back to A next year and taking it a bit easier. They also will have a numbers problem to fill a AA team. You never know until tryouts...but I could see BH taking a year off AA....
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I don't see Oakland having 16AA & 18AA teams next season. So that would only leave SJ, GSE, and Blackhawks with 16AA & 18AA teams up North.
Is Midget AA dying out in California? Is this another reason to send your kid away to a prep school after bantams?
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Yeah since NorCal is going back to A teams for 16 & 18 I doubt that Oakland will have AA teams. That and I heard that Chris won't be coaching next year. They have already had problems trying to get coaches too.
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Is Midget AA dying out in California? Is this another reason to send your kid away to a prep school after bantams?
Cause or Sympton?? The debate will go on. In any case, buying the stairway to heaven seems to be the trend.
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They have a phrase for this in the British prep school system (more soccer than hockey):
"Privileged abandonment"
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They have a phrase for this in the British prep school system (more soccer than hockey):
"Privileged abandonment"
But in this case, who has abandoned whom?
Personally, I find it hard to begrudge those who find the means to escape the hot mess of California hockey.
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I think the point Landshark is making, is that sending your kid off to boarding school at 13 comes with a cost beyond dollars and cents. It isn't the right choice for many kids and many parents.
Of course I know of 2 former teammates who have relocated to the East coast, and timed it so that they would have the opportunity to find new clubs for their kids to play for.
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Did 3 california bantam AA players really get drafted by WHL teams yesterday?
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No. Fifteen did http://carubberhockey.com/slew-of-california-players-selected-in-2018-whl-bantam-draft/
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only 3 played AA. one played prep school and the rest are AAA
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Yup, sorry. I didn't read the AA part of the question.
Interesting results.
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For those in the know, What s the cost of playing JRS on a typical WHL team ?
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No. Fifteen did http://carubberhockey.com/slew-of-california-players-selected-in-2018-whl-bantam-draft/ (http://carubberhockey.com/slew-of-california-players-selected-in-2018-whl-bantam-draft/)
A lot of Jr. Kings players. They apparently did a really good job of marketing themselves...
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I heard the went to Calgary and Edmonton this year and the team had good showings at both.
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I heard the went to Calgary and Edmonton this year and the team had good showings at both.
Not to mention that they have a lot of really good players on that team.
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Yeah not really a surprise with that team. They played up to major in their minor year and won the regular season.
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For those in the know, What s the cost of playing JRS on a typical WHL team ?
WHL is a tier 1 Canadian major junior league where you are paid to play. Hence you loae your eligibility. Gettng drafted only means the team has your rights for next season should you decide to play WHL. You lose NCAA college scholarship eligibility. All others USHL, BCHL, NAHL are ok for the eligibility. Hope this helps
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junior A tier one is all inclusive. Tier 2 like NAHL is free for hockey, but you have to pay for your living expenses.
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For those in the know, What s the cost of playing JRS on a typical WHL team ?
WHL is a tier 1 Canadian major junior league where you are paid to play. Hence you loae your eligibility. Gettng drafted only means the team has your rights for next season should you decide to play WHL. You lose NCAA college scholarship eligibility. All others USHL, BCHL, NAHL are ok for the eligibility. Hope this helps
Also WHL pays for a year of any North America college for each year you play in the WHL:
http://chl.ca/whlinfo (http://chl.ca/whlinfo)
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Just to clarify. In WHL, players are provided all their equipment, room and board at billet family and schooling at no charge to player. They are provided a small stipend, maybe $350 per month, for incidentals. They are provided a one year college scholarship, in their home state, for each year they play in WHL. If they sign Pro contract, scholarship is forfeited. They have a limited amount of time after leaving WHL to start using their scholarship. They can also attend college courses while playing for WHL which does not impact their scholarship money.
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Are the WHL scholarships enough to pay for more than book money?
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Are the WHL scholarships enough to pay for more than book money?
Yes. Scholarship pays full tuition, student fees and required textbooks. Doesn’t cover room or board. Kids can attend any school anywhere in US or Canada, but upper limit of tuition reimbursement is limited to published amount of public school tuition in home state. So, for example, California kid who attends private university back East only gets scholarship money equal to annual in-state tuition at a UC school. Still a nice deal for those kids who choose to go to college after WHL years.
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Just noticed Oakland Bears have 14AA listed on their tryouts page. Might they be picking up some Stockton talent? Anyone with some info on whether they would have the numbers for a AA team? Don't see enough talent around Norcal for more than 2 GSE teams and a Jr Sharks team. Yet Oakland and Santa Clara have AA tryouts listed.
Gonna be an interesting weekend coming up...
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From the SC Blackhawks Website:
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Based on pre-registration numbers, we will not be fielding a Bantam AA team in the 2018-2019 season.
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Dear CAHA Boardmember,
Please have some consideration and respect for the hockey families in California. Let us know of any new rules or dramatic changes regarding tier, jamborees, flighting, CAHA weekends and other important details prior to all of us signing on the dotted line.
Sincerely,
an often misinformed hockey parent
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From the SC Blackhawks Website:
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Based on pre-registration numbers, we will not be fielding a Bantam AA team in the 2018-2019 season.
...called it....not all that surprising....
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That is too bad they could not get enough players to attend. This is not AAA hockey, its AA. I would have hoped with all the Barracudas and Heat AHL teams and the San Jose Community has done with the Sharks that it would have spread out more.
This is not good for Northern California Minor hockey, U14 and U16 is where grow and start to get noticed for NCAA Schools among other programs. Thats just sad that they could not get enough players. So with that where will they go play ? They also what to be competitive as well. No one wants to lose 8-0 or win 8-0 either.
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From the SC Blackhawks Website:
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Based on pre-registration numbers, we will not be fielding a Bantam AA team in the 2018-2019 season.
...called it....not all that surprising....
didn't they used to be one of the better Clubs in NorCal? wonder what has happened in the last few years? I know they had a championship team at 16 the season before last, but seems like that was more of an exception...
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My kids are a bit older, but I am noticing that at 16U and especially 18U, it is getting tougher to field teams. The kids with any kind of talent/desire and/or means head to prep schools at that age. As for the rest? It seems as though they settle for high school leagues. Not bad talent-wise if you are part of the Ducks HS League, but pretty dismal if you are in the Kings league IMO. Pretty sad that clubs' offerings seem to peak at the PW level and then drop off from there.
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From the SC Blackhawks Website:
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Based on pre-registration numbers, we will not be fielding a Bantam AA team in the 2018-2019 season.
...called it....not all that surprising....
didn't they used to be one of the better Clubs in NorCal? wonder what has happened in the last few years? I know they had a championship team at 16 the season before last, but seems like that was more of an exception...
Not fully sighted as to the entire SC club--just know quite a few families that are late PW/early Bantam families. It is a numbers thing and it is cyclical, and tends to follow a good coach, who knows, they could have a boom year in a year or more. GSE has taken a lot of the higher quality players in Norcal for its AA programs, and its success speaks for itself. The other AA teams up north seemed to have to "grow their own" talent in house with kids who were following a good coach or were sticking with the club regardless. Same pattern with the Jr Sharks and Stockton....
GSE 14u tryouts last year were packed with 60 or so kids trying out for the two teams...could hardly fit all the kids on the benches on day one...from what I hear this year will be no different.
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Just an opinion... The Blackhawks 04 year has struggled competitively since Squirt minor when a number of kids moved to the Jr Sharks. 03 has always been pretty strong. I'm guessing that with 04 being the major component of the Bantam program they just didn't have the kids to do AA.
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My kids are a bit older, but I am noticing that at 16U and especially 18U, it is getting tougher to field teams. The kids with any kind of talent/desire and/or means head to prep schools at that age. As for the rest? It seems as though they settle for high school leagues. Not bad talent-wise if you are part of the Ducks HS League, but pretty dismal if you are in the Kings league IMO. Pretty sad that clubs' offerings seem to peak at the PW level and then drop off from there.
Something happens after PW called checking. Most kids can not handle the contact which is why the moved the checking age from 11 to 13 a few years back. It was not for the BS reasons they gave, it was to keep kids in the sport.
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My kids are a bit older, but I am noticing that at 16U and especially 18U, it is getting tougher to field teams. The kids with any kind of talent/desire and/or means head to prep schools at that age. As for the rest? It seems as though they settle for high school leagues. Not bad talent-wise if you are part of the Ducks HS League, but pretty dismal if you are in the Kings league IMO. Pretty sad that clubs' offerings seem to peak at the PW level and then drop off from there.
Something happens after PW called checking. Most kids can not handle the contact which is why the moved the checking age from 11 to 13 a few years back. It was not for the BS reasons they gave, it was to keep kids in the sport.
I thinking checking certainly has some to do with kids not playing into midget. I also think that growing up and having a life outside of hockey once they are in high school is a bigger factor. Most of kids playing at a high level have been playing almost year round since they were about 7. Some players have a passion at the midget level to continue that level of commitment and others are interested in HS sports and social life. I had a coach tell me one time that there is only 2 things that ruin a good hockey player, perfume and gasoline.
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you forgot grass!
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Just curious,
Why are the bears not playing Carmen Starr ??
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Their awesomeness is too awesome to display this early.. the league is just not ready for it. Wait 'til Fall.
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Their awesomeness is too awesome to display this early.. the league is just not ready for it. Wait 'til Fall.
Right.......
Keep drinking that Swedish Kool-Aid.
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Their awesomeness is too awesome to display this early.. the league is just not ready for it. Wait 'til Fall.
Right.......
Keep drinking that Swedish Kool-Aid.
Careful what you ask for. Their brilliance will blind you when it is unveiled.
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Their awesomeness is too awesome to display this early.. the league is just not ready for it. Wait 'til Fall.
Right.......
Keep drinking that Swedish Kool-Aid.
Says the guy who drinks Trevor Tea. lol
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They haven't played Carmen Starr for at least the last 3 years. They must have reason not to.
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The Bears PWAA spring team played Carmen Starr last year.
At the Bantam level, the Bears started moving away from playing Memorial Day a number of years back, opting instead to do a mini camp with the Sharks organization where most of the participants in the spring program travelled to San Jose. They have also experimented, depending on the team, with playing tournaments in Sweden and China in the last few years. From what I saw, it reflects a general ambivalence towards playing in any Memorial Day tournament.
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Or maybe they no longer wanted to spend the better parts of their Memorial Day weekend at KHS facing "tinseltown disillusioned" outsiders.
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carmen starr is definitely a shell of what it once was...
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Or maybe they no longer wanted to spend the better parts of their Memorial Day weekend at KHS facing "tinseltown disillusioned" outsiders.
Unless you are with a well established team Memorial Day tournaments are usually a waste of time. Even then the competition can be weak...
They can also make or break a team, if they show poorly players will go elsewhere for tryouts but, on the off chance they do well, it could attract players.
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Yeah, but I think the real reason is $$. Most teams are lining up year after year with 4 full-fee lines. We usually avoid this and July 4th tournies. The beach and golf course are a better use of our time.
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Just a bit of sarcasm Trans. In all seriousness, is the rumor true that the AAA 04 ducks went to the bears?
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I have heard possibly 2 Ducks and as many as 4 Kings. That, combined with coaching, should make the Bears very competitive again this coming season.
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I have heard possibly 2 Ducks and as many as 4 Kings. That, combined with coaching, should make the Bears very competitive again this coming season.
Sounds like they'll be leading the pack...congrats to them
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I'll still be surprised if the talent is as good as last year. They were pretty frightening in the 03 birthyear.
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I'll still be surprised if the talent is as good as last year. They were pretty frightening in the 03 birthyear.
Yep. I definitely agree with this.
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I'll still be surprised if the talent is as good as last year. They were pretty frightening in the 03 birthyear.
It most likely won't but does it need to be one of the top teams this year,
Does anyone who has a good read what to take a stab at the flights?
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I'll still be surprised if the talent is as good as last year. They were pretty frightening in the 03 birthyear.
Not to mention that PT coached a substantial percentage of that roster since they were Squirts. The majority of the team this season will never have played for PT before. It's not going to be the same thing at all, but they certainly will have a lot of talented and experienced kids. It will be interesting to see what shakes out between GSE, WW, JK's and the Bears.
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I'll still be surprised if the talent is as good as last year. They were pretty frightening in the 03 birthyear.
Not to mention that PT coached a substantial percentage of that roster since they were Squirts. The majority of the team this season will never have played for PT before. It's not going to be the same thing at all, but they certainly will have a lot of talented and experienced kids. It will be interesting to see what shakes out between GSE, WW, JK's and the Bears.
Let's just hope something interesting happens this year.
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Bantam AA Predictions
1. Bears
2. Wave
3. Saints
4. GSE
5. GSE
6. OC/Shand
7. JK
8. ?
What am I missing?
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Bantam AA Predictions
1. Bears
2. Wave
3. Saints
4. GSE
5. GSE
6. OC/Shand
7. JK
8. ?
What am I missing?
Too much credit to Shand and not mentioning Wada
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Bantam AA Predictions
1. Bears
2. Wave
3. Saints
4. GSE
5. GSE
6. OC/Shand
7. JK
8. ?
What am I missing?
Too much credit to Shand and not mentioning Wada
Wada is #2 on this list.
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Bantam AA Predictions
1. Bears
2. Wave
3. Saints
4. GSE
5. GSE
6. OC/Shand
7. JK
8. ?
What am I missing?
Too much credit to Shand and not mentioning Wada
Agree on the Shand point....was expecting to see more from that group but was not too impressed from what I saw this past weekend.
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Bantam AA Predictions
1. Bears
2. Wave
3. Saints
4. GSE
5. GSE
6. OC/Shand
7. JK
8. ?
What am I missing?
Too much credit to Shand and not mentioning Wada
Agree on the Shand point....was expecting to see more from that group but was not too impressed from what I saw this past weekend.
That is the problem with early season tournaments. They usually only hurt a new team but, many coaches insist on doing them.
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Strawman and others, which of the '05 BN AA teams might make the top 8? My guess is the Kings or Ducks. On a less serious note, someone told me this past weekend that the Reign BN AA will be strong this year.
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Strawman and others, which of the '05 BN AA teams might make the top 8? My guess is the Kings or Ducks. On a less serious note, someone told me this past weekend that the Reign BN AA will be strong this year.
I would bet none of the 05 teams will even make Flight I. Last year Wada Wave got stuck in Flight II because they were a minor year team, even though they won States the previous year. From what I understand that team was a lot stronger than the 05 Kings and Ducks are now. But the rules are always different for Kings and Ducks, so who knows?
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Strawman and others, which of the '05 BN AA teams might make the top 8? My guess is the Kings or Ducks. On a less serious note, someone told me this past weekend that the Reign BN AA will be strong this year.
I would bet none of the 05 teams will even make Flight I. Last year Wada Wave got stuck in Flight II because they were a minor year team, even though they won States the previous year. From what I understand that team was a lot stronger than the 05 Kings and Ducks are now. But the rules are always different for Kings and Ducks, so who knows?
Either one of those teams will be SMASHED by the 04 teams.
Be careful what you wish for.
Sit back, wait your turn and for testosterone to kick in
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Maybe CAHA should just place all 05 teams in flight 2 and 04 teams in flight 1 and make them 2 separate divisions. Call it major flight and minor flight. That would be more fair than what they do now. Then they wouldn’t have to do the mandatory jamboree for Labor Day which is a joke. If you have a mixed year team, then you would place with the birth year that you have the majority of players on your team.
That's basically how it worked out last season. CAHA actually got it right. This season might be tricky with the Ducks, the 05 team will probably be better than the 04 team, but still not ready for Flight 1.
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Maybe CAHA should just place all 05 teams in flight 2 and 04 teams in flight 1 and make them 2 separate divisions. Call it major flight and minor flight. That would be more fair than what they do now. Then they wouldn’t have to do the mandatory jamboree for Labor Day which is a joke. If you have a mixed year team, then you would place with the birth year that you have the majority of players on your team.
How do you think that is different than what they did last year (what they will do this year)? BTW, if you are with a club that has two AA teams, the decision has already been made...
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Maybe CAHA should just place all 05 teams in flight 2 and 04 teams in flight 1 and make them 2 separate divisions. Call it major flight and minor flight. That would be more fair than what they do now. Then they wouldn’t have to do the mandatory jamboree for Labor Day which is a joke. If you have a mixed year team, then you would place with the birth year that you have the majority of players on your team.
That would make actual sense, and demonstrate some consideration for the development of the kids. But at that point, why not just have all divisions divided in that fashion? Simpler, easier to understand and more equitable.
While you are at it, get rid of the wonky rules for AAA franchises. Let teams establish their competitiveness in the pre-season and via scrimmages. Get rid of all the red tape. You would see a lot more fluidity between AAA and AA, and there is already a lot of it given the results of this years' tryouts. I don't envy the costs and travel of AAA families, but the one thing I do envy is that their kids compete against their peers year in and year out.
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Thanks Strawman and Trans. Good insights. Both Ducks and Kings '05 got a taste of an all 14 y.o. team when they played different Canadian teams this past weekend. I was just an observer but the extra year of growth makes a difference. But both of those CA teams showed grit and did not back down. They did CA hockey proud.
What will Caha do about mixed birth year teams like the "awesome" team from Reign?
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Don't think you can put Wada/Angry Eskimos that high. Half of that team won't be there next year. They were in the weaker division.
Kamloops 8-0 Eskimos
Kamloops 1-5 Spartist
OCHC04 1-7 Spartist
Bantam AA Predictions
1. Bears
2. Wave
3. Saints
4. GSE
5. GSE
6. OC/Shand
7. JK
8. ?
What am I missing?
Too much credit to Shand and not mentioning Wada
Agree on the Shand point....was expecting to see more from that group but was not too impressed from what I saw this past weekend.
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Don't think you can put Wada/Angry Eskimos that high. Half of that team won't be there next year. They were in the weaker division.
Kamloops 8-0 Eskimos
Kamloops 1-5 Spartist
OCHC04 1-7 Spartist
Bantam AA Predictions
1. Bears
2. Wave
3. Saints
4. GSE
5. GSE
6. OC/Shand
7. JK
8. ?
What am I missing?
Too much credit to Shand and not mentioning Wada
Agree on the Shand point....was expecting to see more from that group but was not too impressed from what I saw this past weekend.
Kamloops beat the Saints 4-2 and Wave beat Saints 2-1 so they can't be that far off. Spartacist blew everyone out of the water.
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"Don't think you can put Wada/Angry Eskimos that high. Half of that team won't be there next year. They were in the weaker division.
Kamloops 8-0 Eskimos
Kamloops 1-5 Spartist
OCHC04 1-7 Spartist"
That's a pretty small and tortured sample size, wouldn't you say?
Has that OC team ever beaten Wada Wave, like in its entire history? Hope springs eternal in Yorba Linda, I guess. It's why they keep playing.
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Straw, don't get your panties in a wad. Just don't think the Wave should be ranked #2 based on their tourney results.
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"Don't think you can put Wada/Angry Eskimos that high. Half of that team won't be there next year. They were in the weaker division.
Kamloops 8-0 Eskimos
Kamloops 1-5 Spartist
OCHC04 1-7 Spartist"
That's a pretty small and tortured sample size, wouldn't you say?
Has that OC team ever beaten Wada Wave, like in its entire history? Hope springs eternal in Yorba Linda, I guess. It's why they keep playing.
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Uh, Wave won 3 0ut of 5 and if not for penalty trouble, it would have been 4 out of 5. They also had the best plus/minus out of all the California Clubs. :o
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Our plus minus is better than than yours, really??? Sticks and stones meathead
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Fowlmood can your coach even demo drills? 3 turn??? Or just the 3 course luau?
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Fowlmood can your coach even demo drills? 3 turn??? Or just the 3 course luau?
Wow! Who’s panties are in a bunch now. Lol
Safe to say you’re from OC...shouldn’t take it too serious.
Thanks for the evening comedy....this is exactly why I continue to read these boards.
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Fowlmood can your coach even demo drills? 3 turn??? Or just the 3 course luau?
Since you are bringing race into it, Grand Wizzard, at least get your racist mud slinging correct. It wouldn't be a 3 course luau, more like sushi boat.
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Fowlmood can your coach even demo drills? 3 turn??? Or just the 3 course luau?
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[/size]Well, if you think you'll need your coach to also play for your child's team because they may need him too, I can see why this may be relevant. ::)
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Wada was a goalie, so maybe he needs a little edge work, but he knows how to coach. It's tough to compete out of artesia, but he has proven that he can. the big clubs are always stealing your talent.
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Wada was a goalie, so maybe he needs a little edge work, but he knows how to coach. It's tough to compete out of artesia, but he has proven that he can. the big clubs are always stealing your talent.
Would have to agree with you CoachBombay....he has proven himself. If I am not mistaken he was the Wave Coach that won States two seasons ago, not bad for a small club I would say.
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Yes, Wada wave won PWAA states 2017.
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Fowlmood can your coach even demo drills? 3 turn??? Or just the 3 course luau?
No doubt that Shand focuses a lot on skill development but year after year his loaded, big, fast teams don’t accomplish much. This year OC has stolen 5 2004 Empire kids that got to ply in top flight and got great training under Brad Hamacher. Despite having all of the only 2004 So Cal top flight experienced players, OC managed to lose pretty much all games this weekend. I am pretty aure Gulls, Empire will eat OC’s lunch due to better coaching. And no we arre not playing in Bantam division and have axe to grind. I actually like Shand’s skills traning style but there two vey coaches at Bantam , PT at Bears and Brad at Empire rest are a bit lower in terms of player development
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Parents who view the win column as the leading indicator of coach quality/desirability have led to much of what is wrong with the youth hockey system in SoCal.
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Fowlmood can your coach even demo drills? 3 turn??? Or just
No doubt that Shand focuses a lot on skill development but year after year his loaded, big, fast teams don’t accomplish much. This year OC has stolen 5 2004 Empire kids that got to ply in top flight and got great training under Brad Hamacher. Despite having all of the only 2004 So Cal top flight experienced players, OC managed to lose pretty much all games this weekend. I am pretty aure Gulls, Empire will eat OC’s lunch due to better coaching. And no we arre not playing in Bantam division and have axe to grind. I actually like Shand’s skills traning style but there two vey coaches at Bantam , PT at Bears and Brad at Empire rest are a bit lower in terms of player development
THERE are a SHITLOAD of skill coaches out there. That's what skill lessons are for. Very few that can manage a team and get the best of kids, fewer that can do both. Many that think they are. A few years ago a parent posted, "Do you want to be on a good team
Or be part of a good team ?"
Being able to show kids how to go around cones, does not make you a good "game coach "
JMO
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This post is getting a bit ridiculous. It's May and no sane person should be making prediction basing on results from Carmen Starr (none of the rosters are set, for just about all teams) AND before tryouts even begin!? Crazy.
Lets discuss Carmen Starr...Wada Wave went 3-2 at Carmen Starr and lost to Kamloops (finalist) and AT Hockey Academy, pretty much a AAA team with an incredible kid (#65) that can take over at will. Bay Area Blazers are a mix bag so hard to use as a measuring stick. OC Smerud should be playing Bantam A. Saints' roster seems almost set and it's almost guaranteed that any time Wave play Saints, it will be a dogfight. Saints will be top 5 in Bantam AA.OC Shand went 1-4 and didn't appear to have a good showing, but were they really terrible? I'm not so sure. Let's look at the teams they lost to. Sparticist destroyed everyone, so no shame in losing to those guys. Kings had 2 of the better AAA kids on the roster and beat OC Shand and GSE so they were obviously tough to handle. But are those two AAA kids playing Bantam AA next year. I'm guessing no. Czech Jets beat the Kings, GSE and lost to the eventual finalists Kamloops and Sparticist, so they were another tough team. Gulls should be playing Bantam A.[/font]
No way to really compare the Wave and OC Shand basing on their results at CS. If they had played the same teams, then that's a different story. IMHO, OC Shand seem to have faced slightly tougher comp at CS...[/size]
Regarding coaches, I've had experience with Wada, Shand and Hamacher. I love Hamacher and I do think he's one of the best coaches around. While I can't speak about his Empire Bantam AA team and why his players were 'stolen' from him, I can only say that Brad always prepare his kids well for the next level, on and off the ice. I have known Shand for a bit but my kid has never played for him. However, I know kids who are now in D1, Prep Schools who tells me they would ONLY play for Shand. I think development-wise, Shand is also one of the best around and his resume speaks for itself. He teaches kids different systems and how and when to apply once patterns are recognized. Wada is younger and perhaps less experienced than Hamacher and Shand, but has always proved to have very competitive teams. His teams are always resilient and often time has the top end talent needed to finish games.
All 3 coaches above have had plenty of success. But also remember that success depends on what kids you have on the roster. A super talented kid can carry a so-so team far and sometimes even all the way. Or you could roll four 2nd lines Vegas style and have success. A coach can only do so much, it's up to the kids to want it and work hard. Wins and losses are not as important than player development. Your goal should be focused on making sure your kid will be prepared for the next level.
Lastly, nobody is 'stolen' by another team or coach. C'mon, players and families leave for various reason and really, all coaches poach players to a certain degree. Some coaches are more persistent than others. The ones that don't make phone calls are usually 5he ones that cry foul when their players leave. Happens every year and will continue to happen.[/font]
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there two vey coaches at Bantam , PT at Bears and Brad at Empire rest are a bit lower in terms of player development
I don't have any experience with PT except the brief interaction I had with him at the Prep Camp. My question is this, and is no disrespect to PT, but when you are able to attract top talent (whether is the prep school connection or not), like his last Bantam AA team and this year's supposedly AAA-loaded Bantam AA team, how do you know if success comes largely from coaching or player talent?
If your team is loaded with AAA's playing at the AA's level, I'd say you're almost guaranteed to have success, regardless who's coaching. Now if PT leads a group of kids without AAA superstars to State or beyond, then yes, he should be considered one of the top coaches.
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Fowlmood can your coach even demo drills? 3 turn??? Or just the 3 course luau?
Last post of the night. To whoever posted the above... Really!? That's just uncalled for and totally not cool.
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Fowlmood can your coach even demo drills? 3 turn??? Or just the 3 course luau?
lose pretty much all games this weekend. I am pretty aure Gulls, Empire will eat OC’s lunch due to better coaching. And no we arre not playing in Bantam division and have axe to grind. I actually like Shand’s skills traning style but there two vey coaches at Bantam , PT at Bears and Brad at Empire rest are a bit lower in terms of player development
Pavel Sisak at Valencia belongs in this group, as does Tomas Kapusta when he actually coaches Bantam.
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Getting to Prep School is more important to some families than winning a banner. Who has better contacts and track record there than Torsson? Certainly nobody else at Bantam level. Torsson's got a great calling card considering the political mess that Midget AAA has become, leading an increasing # of kids to leave Cali each year. If the over/under for 2003s leaving the state is 3 dozen, I might take the over. Bad look for CAHA.
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Getting to Prep School is more important to some families than winning a banner. Who has better contacts and track record there than Torsson? Certainly nobody else at Bantam level.
'Connection/contacts' to prep schools may be overrated IMO. I know kids that went to top prep schools who have never even spoken to PT. But to PT's credit, putting together the Prep Camp and bringing numerous prep representatives to SOCAL is a great idea. If you attend the camp and your kid plays well in front of the school reps, the schools will keep him on their radar and contact you. Trust me on that.
Again, no disrespect to PT and I know he brings a wealth of experience, but all I'm saying is that you don't need to play for the Bears to be in contact with prep and if you do your homework, keep a good record of videos of your kid's performance (to show school reps since they may have never seen your kid play before), all you need to do is pick up the phone and call prep schools and let the coaches/administration know that you're interested to visit/gather more info.
Oh it also helps if you have $25-30K laying around, cus that's the minimum it costs for prep schools per yr, and that's WITH financial aid. Otherwise, it's $40-60K per yr without assistance, according to all the school reps at Bears camp.
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Getting to Prep School is more important to some families than winning a banner. Who has better contacts and track record there than Torsson? Certainly nobody else at Bantam level. Torsson's got a great calling card considering the political mess that Midget AAA has become, leading an increasing # of kids to leave Cali each year. If the over/under for 2003s leaving the state is 3 dozen, I might take the over. Bad look for CAHA.
Knucklehead,
Use some mouthwash to get the tast of Peety out of your mouth. I don' know Peety personally, but I heard he' an outstanding coach. To his credit, he found a niche that parents would eat up. Hate to break it to you but if you want your lil Greyzky to go to prep school he can get in......as long as you open your wallet. I know there are some schools that are the exception, but not the norm. Also, if you think you 4 foot 5 stick handler is going to improve his chances to going in the show, your as bright as a box of rocks. Even if you kid is top 10 at his $70k/ year prep school, he will most likely be playing at the Ducks adult league at 10pm on wed night vs the guy that played Midget A and is now a $300k/year businessman.
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Obviously, it's more important to make sure that the kids get a good education. They are not going to major in hockey. After all, how many will make it NHL?
They need to have a profession.
Going back to Midgets AAA level and a s..t show that it has become, not everyone can or want to play for the Kings or Ducks. It's completely ridiculous and basically imposible trying to commute from Santa Clarita or San Fernando Valley to Orange County.
The amount of money that you spend on AAA travel is up there, possibly pretty close to a Prep School price ticket (with financial aid).
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If you want to talk to prep schools, Coach Wada can help you with that too. Of course you have to play for him first ;) Maybe this will get the AAA players to come out to his tryouts this weekend. Coach Pete has a great marketing scheme.
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You don’t have to be a great hockey player to go to prep school. Any prep school will take your kid as long as they have room and you’ve got the money. It’s not going to get your kid to the NHL. Just like if you have money for AAA go for it. Doesn’t mean AAA has the best skilled kids on the team. Those that can fill wallets. SMH! What has California hockey become?
Sounds like a lot of people who either dont have any kids going to prep school, didnt goto a prep school or not playing AAA...a lot of internet angry folks!
So my 2 cents...
No, ANY Prep school will NOT take your kid as long as they have room and you have money...unless its what, Tahoe since they are building a program? What a wrong statement...most prep schools have pretty specific academic guidelines and are we talking about going to a prep school or playing hockey at a prep school? So, lets talk about Prep schools in New England and Midwest. MOST, that focus on athletics as well as education, have pretty decent hockey programs...yes, not a top tier program that will get you to the NHL but a good competitive program like you would find in a good high school league. Also, forget NHL - talk about college, the goal of a good prep school should be to get your kid to a good college and hockey can 100% be part of that, yes maybe we arent talking going to Boston U but most prep schools have a good pipeline to good colleges. Now, will your kid play hockey for a college? Depends on the college and how good your kid is of course. Now, it does all come down to money because Prep schools are very expensive but if your kid is a true AAA level player I think most would find the cost difference between playing AAA for the Kings or going to a Prep school to not be as much as you think...plus, they are hopefully getting a top flight education that will lead to a great college...so, is the extra 20 or 30 grand worth it? Depends and there is no wrong answer for YOUR family...f everyone else, they are just stuck in the South Bay trying to find an 18AA team to play for.
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Great point.
I agree, prep schools won't just take your kid, even if grades are there and you're willing to pay.
There are a lot of bright kids and a lot of parents that are willing to pay for good education. Your kid needs to be "a well rounded individual". He or she has to be a good student and a good athlete and that particular school has to have a need for a "Forward" or a "defensemen" or a "goalie", otherwise your kid won't get accepted or won't get any financial aid.
Having a coach speak on your behalf is way better than calling "cold turkey".
BTW, Peter Torsson is an excellent coach.
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Prep schools won't just take anyone who can pay, nor is there any coach in California who can sprinkle magic dust over his players to get them on a prep school team that is objectively worth leaving the state to play on. The player needs to be a solid AAA caliber player (at least), a good student, and a well-rounded person. It's rare for freshmen and sophomores even to get a whiff of the "A" team (i.e., the "Varsity" or "Prep" team) at NE schools with the better programs, and it's standard operating procedure for them to be told they need to repeat a grade, and gain size and strength, before getting a look (whoops, there goes another 60 or 70 grand down the drain). There's a good chance your little superstar will get a very nasty surprise after relocating, when he finds out he's been stuck on the "B" or "C" team and might have been better off staying at home. We hear so much about the kids who leave every year, but less about the ones who turn around and come back home after checking it out. [size=78%]If you're thinking NE schools, you also have to be willing to accept that it's a three month, 20-25 game season. If your kid wants to play more than that, then he or she will also have to play on a travel team out there, which adds another whole layer of complexity and expense.[/size]
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[/size][size=78%]It's absolutely the right thing for some families, but it's also way too much the flavor of the month.[/size]
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Use some mouthwash to get the tast of Peety out of your mouth. I don' know Peety personally, but I heard he' an outstanding coach. To his credit, he found a niche that parents would eat up. Hate to break it to you but if you want your lil Greyzky to go to prep school he can get in......as long as you open your wallet. I know there are some schools that are the exception, but not the norm. Also, if you think you 4 foot 5 stick handler is going to improve his chances to going in the show, your as bright as a box of rocks. Even if you kid is top 10 at his $70k/ year prep school, he will most likely be playing at the Ducks adult league at 10pm on wed night vs the guy that played Midget A and is now a $300k/year businessman.
No kid who is good at hockey or needs aid pays list price for prep school. Majority of schools cover at least 50% w/ average family looking at $25k-$30k tuition; not hugely more than all-in cost of 8 flyaway weekend Midget AAA season. Facilities, ice time, coaching, travel, exposure is far superior at most preps. Top 10 kid at a prep school has good chance of at least getting to Jr. A, if not Major Jr., NCAA D3 or D1 brass ring. And if hockey doesn't work out, education received at the likes of Choate, Andover, Shattuck, Tilton, Groton, Culver, Holderness (all schools that Cali players currently attend) is excellent and maybe life changing. With [size=78%]CAHA limiting SoCal AAA spots to 30 skaters per birth year, of course kids will look elsewhere. Silly CAHA![/size]
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One doesn't need prep school to play Jr. A
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One doesn't need prep school to play Jr. A
Correct, You need to be good and get the right exposure.
Going to the prep route is a path.
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Getting to Prep School is more important to some families than winning a banner. Who has better contacts and track record there than Torsson? Certainly nobody else at Bantam level. Torsson's got a great calling card considering the political mess that Midget AAA has become, leading an increasing # of kids to leave Cali each year. If the over/under for 2003s leaving the state is 3 dozen, I might take the over. Bad look for CAHA.
Knucklehead,
Use some mouthwash to get the tast of Peety out of your mouth. I don' know Peety personally, but I heard he' an outstanding coach. To his credit, he found a niche that parents would eat up. Hate to break it to you but if you want your lil Greyzky to go to prep school he can get in......as long as you open your wallet. I know there are some schools that are the exception, but not the norm. Also, if you think you 4 foot 5 stick handler is going to improve his chances to going in the show, your as bright as a box of rocks. Even if you kid is top 10 at his $70k/ year prep school, he will most likely be playing at the Ducks adult league at 10pm on wed night vs the guy that played Midget A and is now a $300k/year businessman.
Ding Ding Ding....winner for todays post of the day even though its still early
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Is it true that there is a lot of FREE hockey going around in OC? rumor has it that that is how Empire lost some of their kids!!!
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Is it true that there is a lot of FREE hockey going around in OC? rumor has it that that is how Empire lost some of their kids!!!
Was wondering what the allure was lately, now it makes sense.
( If it's true)
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Is it true that there is a lot of FREE hockey going around in OC? rumor has it that that is how Empire lost some of their kids!!!
I heard something similar too. Heard a certain team may be giving players discounts for recruiting last years teammates.
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Is it true that there is a lot of FREE hockey going around in OC? rumor has it that that is how Empire lost some of their kids!!!
I heard something similar too. Heard a certain team may be giving players discounts for recruiting last years teammates.
I'm hearing it from a few different people so I guess it's not just a rumor.
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Knucklehead,
Use some mouthwash to get the tast of Peety out of your mouth. I don' know Peety personally, but I heard he' an outstanding coach. To his credit, he found a niche that parents would eat up. Hate to break it to you but if you want your lil Greyzky to go to prep school he can get in......as long as you open your wallet. I know there are some schools that are the exception, but not the norm. Also, if you think you 4 foot 5 stick handler is going to improve his chances to going in the show, your as bright as a box of rocks. Even if you kid is top 10 at his $70k/ year prep school, he will most likely be playing at the Ducks adult league at 10pm on wed night vs the guy that played Midget A and is now a $300k/year businessman.
Peety has done an awesome job moving kids on to prep school. For some, not only does Prep school offer a great education, it offers some great hockey which doesn't interfere with the academics! And yes, the cost to play/attend isn't much more (possibly less) than playing Ducks/Kings AAA when you factor in Airfare, hotels, rental cars, clinics, privates (all free at the prep school) access to a gym and the ability to enjoy stick time/extra ice time especially on the weekends (again, all free).
Here is a quiz for you:
The USHL recently had their draft; Phase one (2002's only - 160 players taken) and Phase two (open to all unsigned free agent players older than 2002 - approximately 300 taken)
Of the approximately 460 players taken, how many were actually playing in California when they were drafted? I believe 5.
http://draft.ushl.com/
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Is it true that there is a lot of FREE hockey going around in OC? rumor has it that that is how Empire lost some of their kids!!!
I heard something similar too. Heard a certain team may be giving players discounts for recruiting last years teammates.
I'm hearing it from a few different people so I guess it's not just a rumor.
That seems crazy to me... Is this normal?
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Paying for talent (or paying for recruitment of talent) kinda takes the “Amateur†out of California Amateur Hockey Association, doesn’t it... ;-)
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Who is offering this and how do I get in on it? Quick before tryouts tonight!
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Knucklehead,
Use some mouthwash to get the tast of Peety out of your mouth. I don' know Peety personally, but I heard he' an outstanding coach. To his credit, he found a niche that parents would eat up. Hate to break it to you but if you want your lil Greyzky to go to prep school he can get in......as long as you open your wallet. I know there are some schools that are the exception, but not the norm. Also, if you think you 4 foot 5 stick handler is going to improve his chances to going in the show, your as bright as a box of rocks. Even if you kid is top 10 at his $70k/ year prep school, he will most likely be playing at the Ducks adult league at 10pm on wed night vs the guy that played Midget A and is now a $300k/year businessman.
Peety has done an awesome job moving kids on to prep school. For some, not only does Prep school offer a great education, it offers some great hockey which doesn't interfere with the academics! And yes, the cost to play/attend isn't much more (possibly less) than playing Ducks/Kings AAA when you factor in Airfare, hotels, rental cars, clinics, privates (all free at the prep school) access to a gym and the ability to enjoy stick time/extra ice time especially on the weekends (again, all free).
Here is a quiz for you:
The USHL recently had their draft; Phase one (2002's only - 160 players taken) and Phase two (open to all unsigned free agent players older than 2002 - approximately 300 taken)
Of the approximately 460 players taken, how many were actually playing in California when they were drafted? I believe 5.
http://draft.ushl.com/ (http://draft.ushl.com/)
Good post. And of those 460, how many players nationally were drafted out of the NE Prep School hockey programs? Not many more.
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Knucklehead,
Use some mouthwash to get the tast of Peety out of your mouth. I don' know Peety personally, but I heard he' an outstanding coach. To his credit, he found a niche that parents would eat up. Hate to break it to you but if you want your lil Greyzky to go to prep school he can get in......as long as you open your wallet. I know there are some schools that are the exception, but not the norm. Also, if you think you 4 foot 5 stick handler is going to improve his chances to going in the show, your as bright as a box of rocks. Even if you kid is top 10 at his $70k/ year prep school, he will most likely be playing at the Ducks adult league at 10pm on wed night vs the guy that played Midget A and is now a $300k/year businessman.
Peety has done an awesome job moving kids on to prep school. For some, not only does Prep school offer a great education, it offers some great hockey which doesn't interfere with the academics! And yes, the cost to play/attend isn't much more (possibly less) than playing Ducks/Kings AAA when you factor in Airfare, hotels, rental cars, clinics, privates (all free at the prep school) access to a gym and the ability to enjoy stick time/extra ice time especially on the weekends (again, all free).
Here is a quiz for you:
The USHL recently had their draft; Phase one (2002's only - 160 players taken) and Phase two (open to all unsigned free agent players older than 2002 - approximately 300 taken)
Of the approximately 460 players taken, how many were actually playing in California when they were drafted? I believe 5.
http://draft.ushl.com/ (http://draft.ushl.com/)
Good post. And of those 460, how many players nationally were drafted out of the NE Prep School hockey programs? Not many more.
The better question is how many were playing in the state of Minnesota? Too many to count. A lot of players came out of Minnesota and also the NAHL.
I'm not passing judgement on any particular path, I'm just looking at the facts as I make decisions for my kids (and thought I'd share).
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Regardless of path, if the player is that good he will be noticed. Wether AAA pre school, college, juniors, or an accounting office, if someone has that kind of game it won’t stay quiet for long
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Knucklehead,
Use some mouthwash to get the tast of Peety out of your mouth. I don' know Peety personally, but I heard he' an outstanding coach. To his credit, he found a niche that parents would eat up. Hate to break it to you but if you want your lil Greyzky to go to prep school he can get in......as long as you open your wallet. I know there are some schools that are the exception, but not the norm. Also, if you think you 4 foot 5 stick handler is going to improve his chances to going in the show, your as bright as a box of rocks. Even if you kid is top 10 at his $70k/ year prep school, he will most likely be playing at the Ducks adult league at 10pm on wed night vs the guy that played Midget A and is now a $300k/year businessman.
Peety has done an awesome job moving kids on to prep school. For some, not only does Prep school offer a great education, it offers some great hockey which doesn't interfere with the academics! And yes, the cost to play/attend isn't much more (possibly less) than playing Ducks/Kings AAA when you factor in Airfare, hotels, rental cars, clinics, privates (all free at the prep school) access to a gym and the ability to enjoy stick time/extra ice time especially on the weekends (again, all free).
Here is a quiz for you:
The USHL recently had their draft; Phase one (2002's only - 160 players taken) and Phase two (open to all unsigned free agent players older than 2002 - approximately 300 taken)
Of the approximately 460 players taken, how many were actually playing in California when they were drafted? I believe 5.
http://draft.ushl.com/ (http://draft.ushl.com/)
Good post. And of those 460, how many players nationally were drafted out of the NE Prep School hockey programs? Not many more.
Well...I see 7 NE Prep schools in the top 50. So....a little difference. However, right that is besides the point as Prep school kids are taking a different path...not a right or wrong path, jsut different.
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Is it true that there is a lot of FREE hockey going around in OC? rumor has it that that is how Empire lost some of their kids!!!
I heard something similar too. Heard a certain team may be giving players discounts for recruiting last years teammates.
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I'm hearing it from a few different people so I guess it's not just a rumor.
I guess a lot of people will be drinking the new kool-aid tonight (orange juice)! Oh I forgot they are changing their logo (must be a disguise)
Well with free hockey and discounts flying around they may have a parking lot full of people tonight.
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LOL, are you guys new to California hockey?? If you think that this is the first time "scholarships" have been offered to players, you've had your head in the sand far too long. Sounds like people are just jealous that their kid isn't getting offered any discounts to play...
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Of the approximately 460 players taken, how many were actually playing in California when they were drafted? I believe 5.
http://draft.ushl.com/ (http://draft.ushl.com/)
Good post. And of those 460, how many players nationally were drafted out of the NE Prep School hockey programs? Not many more.
I see 43. Another dozen from Midwest preps SSM & Culver. More than the entire T1 Elite league. But who's counting?
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Knucklehead,
Use some mouthwash to get the tast of Peety out of your mouth. I don' know Peety personally, but I heard he' an outstanding coach. To his credit, he found a niche that parents would eat up. Hate to break it to you but if you want your lil Greyzky to go to prep school he can get in......as long as you open your wallet. I know there are some schools that are the exception, but not the norm. Also, if you think you 4 foot 5 stick handler is going to improve his chances to going in the show, your as bright as a box of rocks. Even if you kid is top 10 at his $70k/ year prep school, he will most likely be playing at the Ducks adult league at 10pm on wed night vs the guy that played Midget A and is now a $300k/year businessman.
Peety has done an awesome job moving kids on to prep school. For some, not only does Prep school offer a great education, it offers some great hockey which doesn't interfere with the academics! And yes, the cost to play/attend isn't much more (possibly less) than playing Ducks/Kings AAA when you factor in Airfare, hotels, rental cars, clinics, privates (all free at the prep school) access to a gym and the ability to enjoy stick time/extra ice time especially on the weekends (again, all free).
Here is a quiz for you:
The USHL recently had their draft; Phase one (2002's only - 160 players taken) and Phase two (open to all unsigned free agent players older than 2002 - approximately 300 taken)
Of the approximately 460 players taken, how many were actually playing in California when they were drafted? I believe 5.
http://draft.ushl.com/ (http://draft.ushl.com/)
Good post. And of those 460, how many players nationally were drafted out of the NE Prep School hockey programs? Not many more.
Well...I see 7 NE Prep schools in the top 50. So....a little difference. However, right that is besides the point as Prep school kids are taking a different path...not a right or wrong path, jsut different.
You might have learned the new math, I don't see that. I see 1 in Phase I, and 3 in Phase II, if you don't count South Kent Selects Academy, which isn't a NE "prep" program.
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Of the approximately 460 players taken, how many were actually playing in California when they were drafted? I believe 5.
http://draft.ushl.com/ (http://draft.ushl.com/)
Good post. And of those 460, how many players nationally were drafted out of the NE Prep School hockey programs? Not many more.
I see 43. Another dozen from Midwest preps SSM & Culver. More than the entire T1 Elite league. But who's counting?
You must be counting kids from New England, not kids from NE Prep schools. There are precious few of those.
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Regardless of how you spin it, we are seeing 2002 and 2003 kids leaving California in droves (especially the ones that played at a higher level)
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Regardless of how you spin it, we are seeing 2002 and 2003 kids leaving California in droves (especially the ones that played at a higher level)
Or headed to Tahoe. Lots of kids headed up that way next season.
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DF is the best. His insights should be in blog form and ive told him this many times.
My only addition is that if someone is begging you to join a team, it is usually a better experience than when you are begging to get your kid on a team. This goes for prep, AAA, AA and A.
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You might have learned the new math, I don't see that. I see 1 in Phase I, and 3 in Phase II, if you don't count South Kent Selects Academy, which isn't a NE "prep" program.
SKS describes themselves as a prep school team playing in the NE league, so I count them even if their idea of rigorous academics is coloring inside the lines. Other schools represented in USHL draft include Avon Old Farms, Taft, Thayer, Exeter, Belmont Hill,
Salisbury, St. Seb's, Loomis Chaffee, Gunnery, blah, blah, blah why am i doing this for you just look closer. Cheers.
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CahaMama, is your son going there too?
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You might have learned the new math, I don't see that. I see 1 in Phase I, and 3 in Phase II, if you don't count South Kent Selects Academy, which isn't a NE "prep" program.
SKS describes themselves as a prep school team playing in the NE league, so I count them even if their idea of rigorous academics is coloring inside the lines. Other schools represented in USHL draft include Avon Old Farms, Taft, Thayer, Exeter, Belmont Hill,
Salisbury, St. Seb's, Loomis Chaffee, Gunnery, blah, blah, blah why am i doing this for you just look closer. Cheers.
Do the NE Prep programs have some kids in the draft? Sure, nobody's denying that, but my point was that they are very small numbers. When people are making that kind of commitment because they have stars in their eyes, however, I understand the actual math needs to be (as you put it) just "blah, blah, blah," so I won't bother arguing the facts with you. You are correct that SKS has a "Prep" program, but if you look carefully at the draft list, the kids drafted into the USHL don't come from there. They come from the SKS "Academy." Equating the two is like confusing Shattuck with Shinola.
But getting back to Bantam AA hockey, good luck tonight to everyone!!
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It seems that there was a noticeable increase in second day openings in both Midget and Bantam this year. Hesitation, discernment, lack of talent or just better use of this medium? I also see the declarations page finally got a fully populated column of teams. Any of the regular chest pounders want to provide comment?
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Are you jealous.....OC offered the parents free beers throughout the season.Tryouts were standing room only......
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Heard OC has a 20 player roster. I guess that team is full. ::)
I doubt the discount was given to all. Hence the 20 deep roster. Someone has got to pay for the "upper" third. It'll be fun to see during the season when the full pricers get their 1 shift per period.
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Are you jealous.....OC offered the parents free beers throughout the season.Tryouts were standing room only......
WOW, to myself i though they were doing all there moves to finally beat the WW. Now i know it is.
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Are you jealous.....OC offered the parents free beers throughout the season.Tryouts were standing room only......
The tryouts were for two AA teams. Smerud and Shand.
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Heard OC has a 20 player roster. I guess that team is full. ::)
I doubt the discount was given to all. Hence the 20 deep roster. Someone has got to pay for the "upper" third. It'll be fun to see during the season when the full pricers get their 1 shift per period.
If that!
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Didn't OC1 try a similar approach last year?
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My kid was on OC1 last year. I had no issues with his ice time and he was on the "4th line" at the start of the season.
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Are the JKs still doling out over $100k/year in "scholarships"?
That' ONLY for kids that want to go to prep school.
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Free rides & coaching jobs for dads were the norm at more than one club this year, I hear.
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Free rides & coaching jobs for dads were the norm at more than one club this year, I hear.
This year? Every year...
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Free rides & coaching jobs for dads were the norm at more than one club this year, I hear.
This year? Every year...
When your little johnny is in demand a bidding war ensues...
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d. CAHA prohibits anyone from offering or providing financial incentives to any player or any players family as an inducement to join any team that is not offered to all players or players families.
Any violations of recruitment rules will result in supplementary discipline which may include suspension, sanctions and/or fines.
This is pretty funny actually. No accountability occurs and lots of ways to conceal it even if there were. Just about every team we've been on had carried players. It isn't hard to figure it out.
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d. CAHA prohibits anyone from offering or providing financial incentives to any player or any players family as an inducement to join any team that is not offered to all players or players families.
Any violations of recruitment rules will result in supplementary discipline which may include suspension, sanctions and/or fines.
This is pretty funny actually. No accountability occurs and lots of ways to conceal it even if there were. Just about every team we've been on had carried players. It isn't hard to figure it out.
Reminds me of a scene from Casablanca...
Louie This bar is now closed
Rick : On what grounds?
Louie: I'm shocked, SHOCKED that gambling is going on in this establishment!!
Roulette dealer: Here are your winnings sir.
Louie: Thank you
It's my guess it's done at most if not all clubs. 1 or 2 i can understand. 5....
A bit much. What, do we need to impose an Anti-salary cap?
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It's my understanding that the "financial assistance" given out, among other questionable moves are from pretty high up on the jd/oc food chain.
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Yes, must agree... CAHA's bylaws and their actions are often two very different things. Oh, and the bylaws tend to change from year to year to suit their bylaws (see PDR rules).
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It's usually not the club, but a wealthy parent or parents on the team that wants the kid and pays their way for them.
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It's usually not the club, but a wealthy parent or parents on the team that wants the kid and pays their way for them.
Seems legit, squeaky clean.
Campaign Finance
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It's usually not the club, but a wealthy parent or parents on the team that wants the kid and pays their way for them.
My kid needs to be on a team that has parents like that.
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Does anybody know when CAHA will announce the location and dates for our CAHA weekends?
They don't post anything until after the Jamboree because they don't know which teams are in which flight . After the Jamboree they decide which teams are in which flight and then schedule the teams to CAHA weekends. They can't schedule CAHA weekends because if a flight only has SoCal teams then they will only have SoCal rinks. So my guess would be 2 weeks after labor day weekend.
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Does anybody know when CAHA will announce the location and dates for our CAHA weekends?
They don't post anything until after the Jamboree because they don't know which teams are in which flight . After the Jamboree they decide which teams are in which flight and then schedule the teams to CAHA weekends. They can't schedule CAHA weekends because if a flight only has SoCal teams then they will only have SoCal rinks. So my guess would be 2 weeks after labor day weekend.
I heard the Jamboree was going to be split between Valencia and Simi, just depenfd on which dicidivi is where.
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Yeah if you go to the CAHA site and click on calendar that is what is showing now.
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Does anybody know when CAHA will announce the location and dates for our CAHA weekends?
After the Jamboree I suspect. They don't want the same problem as last year with all social flights going up north for weekends to play only against social teams. So they cant announce til after the Jamboree
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It's on the CAHA site now
http://caha.com/tierIIweekends.pl (http://caha.com/tierIIweekends.pl)
first column is 18AA
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Can someone explain, why must we play in Vacaville, is there a team that plays out of that rink? Or is there some other reason? 🤔
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GSE 2 teams play out of Vacaville.
Tier clubs play as a part of CAHA, statewide, which means they play teams from north and south. North teams travel south for some weekends, and south teams travel north for others.
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Thanks for clearing that up.
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It's on the CAHA site now
http://caha.com/tierIIweekends.pl (http://caha.com/tierIIweekends.pl)
first column is 18AA
Are you sure?
18AA is on the far right; 12AA on the far left.
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That's how they usually do it 12's on the left and 18's on the right.
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That's how they usually do it 12's on the left and 18's on the right.
they typically go vertical, not horizontal...
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It's on the CAHA site now
http://caha.com/tierIIweekends.pl (http://caha.com/tierIIweekends.pl)
first column is 18AA
Are you sure?
18AA is on the far right; 12AA on the far left.
wouldn't make travel plans on that assumption. the age groups have not been determined yet. as someone else mentioned, it will be done after the jamboree.
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It's on the CAHA site now
http://caha.com/tierIIweekends.pl (http://caha.com/tierIIweekends.pl)
first column is 18AA
not sure, and I hope I'm wrong. would love the second column!
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I am a team manager... an email was sent to all the managers saying that those are the venues that will be used on those particular weekends but which divisions will be at which venue wont be determined until after the Jamboree. There was 2 venues that were given to 18AA but the rest are up in the air.
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11/30 vacaville and 1/4 escondido is for 18AA... the rest is TBA
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So when do we get the schedule for Labor Day? Also anyone want to take a guess on what teams are in flight 1 and flight 2?
I"LL TAKE A SHOT
FLIGHT 1
JD ???
BEARS 2
PEETYS
WW
EMPIRE
JKs ???
SAINTS
HALF OFF'S
in no particular order.
**dont know anything about the northern teams. Would expect gse to be flight1
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So when do we get the schedule for Labor Day? Also anyone want to take a guess on what teams are in flight 1 and flight 2?
I"LL TAKE A SHOT
FLIGHT 1
JD ???
BEARS 2
PEETYS
WW
EMPIRE
JKs ???
SAINTS
HALF OFF'S
in no particular order.
**dont know anything about the northern teams. Would expect gse to be flight1
LOL!
Is it safe to say that the 04 teams will be in flight 1 and the 05 teams flight 2? Or do you see any of the 05 teams being in flight 1!
It's safe to say nothing is a lock with CAHA.
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Is there a rule limiting the # of teams in tier to 16? If there are 23 teams now (I haven't looked) at tier II then I would imagine that there will be 19 at tier and 4 dropping to A.
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Is there a rule limiting the # of teams in tier to 16? If there are 23 teams now (I haven't looked) at tier II then I would imagine that there will be 19 at tier and 4 dropping to A.
Seriously doubt that many teams will drop. The whole point of the "flight" system is to enable certain clubs to charge more money by calling "A" teams "AA." Dropping teams would undermine the whole purpose of the new system, which is enable clubs to make more $$.
I'm surprised we don't have a "AAAA" tier yet.
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So when do we get the schedule for Labor Day? Also anyone want to take a guess on what teams are in flight 1 and flight 2?
I"LL TAKE A SHOT
FLIGHT 1
JD ???
BEARS 2
PEETYS
WW
EMPIRE
JKs ???
SAINTS
HALF OFF'S
in no particular order.
**dont know anything about the northern teams. Would expect gse to be flight1
LOL!
Is it safe to say that the 04 teams will be in flight 1 and the 05 teams flight 2? Or do you see any of the 05 teams being in flight 1!
It's safe to say nothing is a lock with CAHA.
Mmm... I'd say shenanigans is a lock. And a nice trip to some magical place called Vacaville.
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Is there a rule limiting the # of teams in tier to 16? If there are 23 teams now (I haven't looked) at tier II then I would imagine that there will be 19 at tier and 4 dropping to A.
Based on this, they could have 32 teams, 16 per flight.
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Is there a rule limiting the # of teams in tier to 16? If there are 23 teams now (I haven't looked) at tier II then I would imagine that there will be 19 at tier and 4 dropping to A.
Last year the magic/arbitrary limit to flight 1 was 10 teams
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Is there a rule limiting the # of teams in tier to 16? If there are 23 teams now (I haven't looked) at tier II then I would imagine that there will be 19 at tier and 4 dropping to A.
SCHA lists 16 plus 3 NOCal teams that's 19.
9 in flight one and 11 flight two.
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You forgot about the Bears.
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Is there a rule limiting the # of teams in tier to 16? If there are 23 teams now (I haven't looked) at tier II then I would imagine that there will be 19 at tier and 4 dropping to A.
SCHA lists 16 plus 3 NOCal teams that's 19.
9 in flight one and 11 flight two.
That's if none gets dropped down to A level too.
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Is there a rule limiting the # of teams in tier to 16? If there are 23 teams now (I haven't looked) at tier II then I would imagine that there will be 19 at tier and 4 dropping to A.
SCHA lists 16 plus 3 NOCal teams that's 19.
9 in flight one and 11 flight two.
That's if none gets dropped down to A level too.
I agree but I think the club would need to be willing to drop. No way CAHA forces anyone since all kids would be released.
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Yeah who knows what CAHA would do. Wasn't there a PW team or two last year that got dropped? I think at least a Jr. Sharks team.
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Yeah who knows what CAHA would do. Wasn't there a PW team or two last year that got dropped? I think at least a Jr. Sharks team.
Yes you are correct on that last year. From what I heard and correct me for those that are in the know. I heard that team wanted to drop down vs being forced.
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Yeah who knows what CAHA would do. Wasn't there a PW team or two last year that got dropped? I think at least a Jr. Sharks team.
Yes you are correct on that last year. From what I heard and correct me for those that are in the know. I heard that team wanted to drop down vs being forced.
Teams were forced down/very strongly urged.
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Yeah who knows what CAHA would do. Wasn't there a PW team or two last year that got dropped? I think at least a Jr. Sharks team.
Yes you are correct on that last year. From what I heard and correct me for those that are in the know. I heard that team wanted to drop down vs being forced.
Teams were forced down/very strongly urged.
Well then there will be a couple this year probably encuraged too.
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Yeah who knows what CAHA would do. Wasn't there a PW team or two last year that got dropped? I think at least a Jr. Sharks team.
In the last 2 years at PWAA there were a number of teams that dropped. The Flight system did not change anything. As I recall, last year, both the Jr. Sharks and the Jr. Gulls had teams that dropped down after the Jamboree. Both teams were primarily "Play up" teams with 06/07 rosters.
I'd hate the narrative begin again where CAHA is fighting the good fight against all the teams with parents who are chasing A's for their kids.
2 Years ago we had the legendary SDIA fiasco, where SDIA after playing in the pre-season, went to CAHA and stated that they wanted to drop down to PWA. The entire team then were given releases and resigned contracts to play PWA. CAHA came back to them (due no doubt to the fact they had already created the schedule) and denied SDIA's request to drop. That same season, Jr. Gulls and the Wildcats dropped teams from AA to A. Neither team managed to end up in the top half of PWA that season, so clearly those were teams that had no business playing PWAA.
If SDIA had dropped they would have been a frontrunner in PWA without a doubt as would any of the other bottom 6 PWAA teams. This is a problem that will never be solved, as there is always some fluidity at the top and bottom of the divisions from AAA on down. At the end of the day, in EVERY division, you can see the teams migrate upwards or downwards typically on the basis of goal differential, and in most cases it's about 50/50 above or below the line.
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Well the whole idea of it is to balance out the flights so there are no blowouts and it is more competitive. In practice that is easier said than done and the best decisions are not always made. Sometimes that is due to politics and sometimes just bad judgement. Changing to minor and major makes sense but you can still lose the balance that CAHA is claiming to be doing this for.
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
That is just because you did not win the banner :)
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
Well stated, trans(gender)4761. I like the idea of the flight system... the way to pick is somewhat arbitrary, though (not thought). It was assumed every team would play each other (or close to it) at the Jamboree, but that's not really the case. A banner for a Flight 2 team is utter nonsense. The victory for winning Flight 2 is moving on to play downs, no?
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If you look at it as Major and Minor, I would not have a problem with a Minor banner since the top Minor team would not really have a chance to win AA title overall.
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If you look at it as Major and Minor, I would not have a problem with a Minor banner since the top Minor team would not really have a chance to win AA title overall.
Except the banner doesn't go to the Minor team that earned the privilege of being in the Flight 1 playdowns, it goes to the winner of the Flight 2 End of Season Tournament made up of the remaining Flight 2 teams.
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
That is just because you did not win the banner :)
LMAO ;D
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If you look at it as Major and Minor, I would not have a problem with a Minor banner since the top Minor team would not really have a chance to win AA title overall.
Except the banner doesn't go to the Minor team that earned the privilege of being in the Flight 1 playdowns, it goes to the winner of the Flight 2 End of Season Tournament made up of the remaining Flight 2 teams.
IMO The flights should be kept separate without the top flight 2 team moving up to flight 1 for the playoffs. Not really sure if there is an easy answer to it all.
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
That is just because you did not win the banner :)
That is true.
But a participation trophy is not something our boys strive for.
I guess someone that hasn't experienced winning anything would not understsnd. :)
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
That is just because you did not win the banner :)
That is true.
But a participation trophy is not something our boys strive for.
I guess someone that hasn't experienced winning anything would not understsnd. :)
Hilarious! My understanding was that several clubs thought it was dumb and a waste of time...coaches, parents, players, etc...
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Just wait till they move checking up to 16's next year. Then eveeryone will forget about flights.
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I think an end of season tourney all depends on how many teams you have. If you have 9 teams then why not have the top 4 in a playoff to see who represents to play the 8th place team? Otherwise you have coaches that aren't as motivated at the end of the season or perhaps all season long once they know their team isn't finishing in first.
To those who have been around youth hockey a long time have there ever been this many players leaving California? It is amazing to me how many people we know with their son saying goodbye to pursue hockey elsewhere.
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Yup, leaving the state in droves.
Now let's talk about the Flight 2 playoffs. The problem last season is that the Flight2 playoffs were announced half way through the season. CAHA pulled the entire Flighting system out of their ass between AA tryouts and the jamboree -- Crappy planning and seat of the pants execution.
At PW (oops sorry, I mean U12!) it's the apex of socal youth hockey:. AAA(6), AA(16), A(22), BB(11), B(18) = 73 Teams! (Not including Norcal non tier)
With that said, by the end of the season, given that the Flight2 playoffs were an afterthought, there were some teams that were simply ready for the season to be over, and others that saw them as an opportunity to focus on an end season goal.
From what I've heard, this season, CAHA plans to do away with the Flight 2 playoffs. Bravo! God forbid that Flight2 teams should actually have a pre-arranged playoff to motivate them throughout the season. It seems to me, that CAHA is just lost. There are only a handful of Norcal teams in the divisions across age groups, and one of them is essentially a multi-club all star team that weakens all of its member clubs. I know that's an oversimplification, but it's more true than not. Last season 2 out of the 3 Flight2 divisions didn't have a single Norcal team in it.
CAHA exists in order to objectively sanction competition between teams throughout the state. When it did that, it had value, but then it got into the business of picking winners and losers, in a secretive process that is full of bias and politics. The supporters of the Flight system will claim how it kept the competition level high for the Flight1 teams, and I'm sorry to call bullshit on that, but it's nonsense. CAHA has no business enforcing "standards" when it sanctions AAA divisions that routinely have teams that get blown out by a 5+ goal avg. through the entire season.
Here's some scores for you:
7-0, 4-1, 10-2.
State championship 1st place team vs. 2nd place team. 2nd place team 0-3. OMG, how can this travesty of non-competitiveness be allowed to go on!
They force us all into an essentially meaningless jamboree on the weekend that used to be an opportunity for teams to start the season off with a tournament of their choice.
The message to teams that would for the most part clean up and face little competition in the A division, but are realistically not capable of contending with the top 4-5 teams in the division, is that they don't deserve the opportunity to face any Flight1 teams in games that mean anything, even though you will probably end up playing them a few times in meaningless SCAHA games.
What's guaranteed is that you won't play any of the Norcal teams due to the fact that there's only 3 of them anyways, and it doesn't matter that one or more might finish at the bottom of Flight2. So what does CAHA do again?
Now in year 3 of this revolving door of rule changes, lack of transparency, and head scratching reasoning, I can't understand what benefit CAHA provides to Socal teams other than to provide a hopelessly 2nd tier AAA franchise, and 1 or maybe 2 top 8 AA teams. In the flighting system, they have simply limited the top teams to playing a smaller pool of teams, which at the end of the day changes very little. Clubs see less variation. You play the same teams over and over until you are sick of them. In general, the better team wins more often than not, and "blowouts" still occur on the regular between teams at the top and bottom of the flights.
Last season, and again this season, the Bears have shown just how ridiculous and dysfunctional the CAHA system is. What a surprise that people are looking for an escape from the system. New trend this year? Bantam age kids, many who have played years of travel hockey opting to play High school JV! Yes, that's right, people thinking it would be better to put their 8th or 9th grader on the ice against kids they can literally skate rings around, with full checking that involves often unpredictable 15-18 year olds rather than have them continue in the california travel hockey system.
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A lot of what you say is agreeable... even though I have to make a coffee and set aside 30 minutes to get through the whole thing (brevity!). ;)
Anyone opting for HS JV (it's terrible) is not serious about hockey, and they'll probably be out totally a year from now. Sadly, if they were serious... they'd be heading east if they didn't like the politics, etc. Flight system isn't perfect... while well intended, you're probably right in CAHA getting LESS involved and allowing the chips fall where they may. We got here because the Wildcats caused trouble years ago, icing inferior teams for selfish purposes. Too much regulation is never a good thing. I've said this before, let teams do what they want in terms of icing teams, but enforce age limits in divisions and boundaries and the entire state would benefit.
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New trend this year? Bantam age kids, many who have played years of travel hockey opting to play High school JV! Yes, that's right, people thinking it would be better to put their 8th or 9th grader on the ice against kids they can literally skate rings around, with full checking that involves often unpredictable 15-18 year olds rather than have them continue in the california travel hockey system.
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[/size]Bantam age kids and their parents now (thanks to the Ducks connections) have a viable option to keep in the sport without all the craziness. Kids can play mostly locally with classmates they see everyday at school and without impacting the grades which in the long run is far more important unless you really think you're going to an NHL star (in which case you are already gone). And for multi-sport kids, the less conflicting HS is pretty much the way you want to go.
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kids, many who have played years of travel hockey opting to play High school JV! Yes, that's right, people thinking it would be better to put their 8th or 9th grader on the ice against kids they can literally skate rings around, with full checking that involves often unpredictable 15-18 year olds rather than have them continue in the california travel hockey system.Bantam age kids and their parents now (thanks to the Ducks connections) have a viable option to keep in the sport without all the craziness. Kids can play mostly locally with classmates they see everyday at school and without impacting the grades which in the long run is far more important unless you really think you're going to an NHL star (in which case you are already gone). And for multi-sport kids, the less conflicting HS is pretty much the way you want to go.
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Anyone opting for HS JV (it's terrible) is not serious about hockey, and they'll probably be out totally a year from now. Sadly, if they were serious... they'd be heading east if they didn't like the politics, etc. Flight system isn't perfect... while well intended, you're probably right in CAHA getting LESS involved and allowing the chips fall where they may. We got here because the Wildcats caused trouble years ago, icing inferior teams for selfish purposes. Too much regulation is never a good thing. I've said this before, let teams do what they want in terms of icing teams, but enforce age limits in divisions and boundaries and the entire state would benefit.
Gotta agree with you here. Wildcats are part of it, and play up is another part. In neither case did the situation warrant what they have turned AA into.
I do have to commend them for putting a halt on playup, but then again, they helped create the crisis when they agreed to let entire teams to play up in Squirt and PW(rules? what rules?) in the first place. The teams that everyone pointed to as validating playup have seen high turnover and came back to the field as many predicted they would. There is no institutional memory. Apparently, Flighting was tried years ago and abandoned.
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Anyone opting for HS JV (it's terrible) is not serious about hockey, and they'll probably be out totally a year from now. Sadly, if they were serious... they'd be heading east if they didn't like the politics, etc. Flight system isn't perfect... while well intended, you're probably right in CAHA getting LESS involved and allowing the chips fall where they may. We got here because the Wildcats caused trouble years ago, icing inferior teams for selfish purposes. Too much regulation is never a good thing. I've said this before, let teams do what they want in terms of icing teams, but enforce age limits in divisions and boundaries and the entire state would benefit.
Gotta agree with you here. Wildcats are part of it, and play up is another part. In neither case did the situation warrant what they have turned AA into.
I do have to commend them for putting a halt on playup, but then again, they helped create the crisis when they agreed to let entire teams to play up in Squirt and PW(rules? what rules?) in the first place. The teams that everyone pointed to as validating playup have seen high turnover and came back to the field as many predicted they would. There is no institutional memory. Apparently, Flighting was tried years ago and abandoned.
HOW DARE YOU FOOLS !!!!!
My buddy Benny errrr.....Wildcats....eeerrrrrr...Jr Reign is one of only a handful of USA MODEL HOCKEY CLUBS.
On their first line of statement is....
"We don't cut kids from our teams."
.........i.e..WE WILL NOT LEAVE $$$ ON THE TABLE !!!
Btw
He still owes me $$ !!
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
That is just because you did not win the banner :)
That is true.
But a participation trophy is not something our boys strive for.
I guess someone that hasn't experienced winning anything would not understsnd. :)
I guess they would not...
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
That is just because you did not win the banner :)
That is true.
But a participation trophy is not something our boys strive for.
I guess someone that hasn't experienced winning anything would not understsnd. :)
Hilarious! My understanding was that several clubs thought it was dumb and a waste of time...coaches, parents, players, etc...
The Flight 2 playoff should have been for the right to be the 8th place team in Flight 1. Flight 1 should have 7 spots and the 8th spot for the winner of Flight 2. In fact, it would even make more since for Flight 1 to have 6 spots and then take the top two out of Flight 2 for 7th and 8th spot. The top two Flight 2 teams are most likely better than the 7th & 8th place team in Flight 1 anyway...
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
That is just because you did not win the banner :)
That is true.
But a participation trophy is not something our boys strive for.
I guess someone that hasn't experienced winning anything would not understsnd. :)
Hilarious! My understanding was that several clubs thought it was dumb and a waste of time...coaches, parents, players, etc...
The Flight 2 playoff should have been for the right to be the 8th place team in Flight 1. Flight 1 should have 7 spots and the 8th spot for the winner of Flight 2. In fact, it would even make more since for Flight 1 to have 6 spots and then take the top two out of Flight 2 for 7th and 8th spot. The top two Flight 2 teams are most likely better than the 7th & 8th place team in Flight 1 anyway...
Or.....combine the flights to one division and let them battle it out for top 8. Oh, wait they used to do that...
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
That is just because you did not win the banner :)
That is true.
But a participation trophy is not something our boys strive for.
I guess someone that hasn't experienced winning anything would not understsnd. :)
Hilarious! My understanding was that several clubs thought it was dumb and a waste of time...coaches, parents, players, etc...
The Flight 2 playoff should have been for the right to be the 8th place team in Flight 1. Flight 1 should have 7 spots and the 8th spot for the winner of Flight 2. In fact, it would even make more since for Flight 1 to have 6 spots and then take the top two out of Flight 2 for 7th and 8th spot. The top two Flight 2 teams are most likely better than the 7th & 8th place team in Flight 1 anyway...
Or.....combine the flights to one division and let them battle it out for top 8. Oh, wait they used to do that...
The obvious answer is to do just that but, I do not see that happening with our brain trust...
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Or.....combine the flights to one division and let them battle it out for top 8. Oh, wait they used to do that...
The obvious answer is to do just that but, I do not see that happening with our brain trust...
In my opinion, the best case scenario for Bantams would be to split up in two groups, Major and Minor. But I understand that for many teams, it's almost impossible to form a pure birth year team. Therefore, you have 95% of bantam AA teams consist of mostly 04's, with a few 05's mixed in... In a perfect world, let all the major yr bantams duke it out with other major teams and let minors play only minors, just like how the AAA's are set up.
I could be wrong, but I don't think there are any pure birth year team this upcoming Bantam AA season (last year there were two)...
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The Flight 2 playoff should have been for the right to be the 8th place team in Flight 1. Flight 1 should have 7 spots and the 8th spot for the winner of Flight 2. In fact, it would even make more since for Flight 1 to have 6 spots and then take the top two out of Flight 2 for 7th and 8th spot. The top two Flight 2 teams are most likely better than the 7th & 8th place team in Flight 1 anyway...
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Well that wasn't the case in Midget 16 last year. The 8th place flight 1 team beat the 1st place flight 2 team.
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Okay so for Bantam AA, instead of calling it flight 1and 2, why not major and minor? Makes more sense.
Major and Minor are already used to separate ages within Divisions. I don't mind the flight system, there will always be arguments, but it worked out pretty well for PW and Bantam last year, I think.
Kind of agree with Mr Bend(over).
The way the flights were chosen were a joke thought.
Also having a Flight 2 champion (with a banner) was more a joke.
That is just because you did not win the banner :)
That is true.
But a participation trophy is not something our boys strive for.
I guess someone that hasn't experienced winning anything would not understsnd. :)
Hilarious! My understanding was that several clubs thought it was dumb and a waste of time...coaches, parents, players, etc...
The Flight 2 playoff should have been for the right to be the 8th place team in Flight 1. Flight 1 should have 7 spots and the 8th spot for the winner of Flight 2. In fact, it would even make more since for Flight 1 to have 6 spots and then take the top two out of Flight 2 for 7th and 8th spot. The top two Flight 2 teams are most likely better than the 7th & 8th place team in Flight 1 anyway...
Or.....combine the flights to one division and let them battle it out for top 8. Oh, wait they used to do that...
The obvious answer is to do just that but, I do not see that happening with our brain trust...
Wasn't the complaint that teams weren't playing all the teams... so certain teams with easier schedules slipped into the playoffs? The obvious response to that is, of course, just win your games. But in this day and age when everyone gets a trophy and their own "special" playoffs (looking at you Flight 2), that would be too cruel.
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The Flight 2 playoff should have been for the right to be the 8th place team in Flight 1. Flight 1 should have 7 spots and the 8th spot for the winner of Flight 2. In fact, it would even make more since for Flight 1 to have 6 spots and then take the top two out of Flight 2 for 7th and 8th spot. The top two Flight 2 teams are most likely better than the 7th & 8th place team in Flight 1 anyway...
Well that wasn't the case in Midget 16 last year. The 8th place flight 1 team beat the 1st place flight 2 team.
I believe 16U was the only division where the Flight 2 team did not beat the Flight 1 team for 8th place.
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Yes if I remember correctly (which is infrequent) I think it was.
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Wasn’t it a very close game on the San Jose home ice?
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Wasn’t it a very close game on the San Jose home ice?
4-2 if i recall, but like dom toretto said in fast and the furious, win by an inch or win by a mile...
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same for Bantams
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I thought CAHA nailed it for Bantams last year. The best flight 2 team had the chance to move on to Playdowns, but they lost, and I believe they lost by 6 or 7 goals. No matter what CAHA does, or doesn't do, people complain. Before it was there were too many AAA teams, and now it's that anyone should be able to be a AAA team. Now we complain about the Flight system (usually only the teams that gets put in Flight 2). I'm happy we won't have to play Flight 2 teams at CAHA weekends this year. There's a big difference between Major Bantam teams and a mostly Minor Bantam teams. At least CAHA is trying to fix what's broken and then adjusting again the next season. At some point they'll get it right. And I hope they do cancel the Flight 2 playoffs. None of the Flight 2 Bantam teams wanted to play in the playoffs, but we were threatened with fines and or club sanctions. Who wants to have a playoff for 2nd place in the loser bracket (1st place team was not allowed back to Flight 2 after play in game)?
I believe the biggest problem is CAHA and SCAHA is not moving teams to the division they should be in, which is almost always DOWN. Fix the LOI rules, you sign for a coach and you don't get a release if the team is forced to drop. If CAHA and SCAHA move teams down, the problem will fix itself in a year or two. Teams will slot themselves in the correct division instead of pissing off parents when the team drops. They should also limit the amount of teams in a division to 16 max and add a BB or C division.
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What's it all matter your playing for second place anyway.
Good luck to you all.
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It's really not complicated... and more regulation is never the answer. Enforce ages for divisions and boundaries, and allow teams to ice as many teams as they want and at levels they want. If teams conduct themselves like the Wildcats, people will stay away and the program will go bankrupt. It's simple economics.
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It's really not complicated... and more regulation is never the answer. Enforce ages for divisions and boundaries, and allow teams to ice as many teams as they want and at levels they want. If teams conduct themselves like the Wildcats, people will stay away and the program will go bankrupt. It's simple economics.
sorry Bender, but that's the root of all the problems in both SCAHA and CAHA. and people do not stay away because Johnny really should be a AA player
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Wasn’t it a very close game on the San Jose home ice?
Yes but I know at least one of the SJ players got called up to AAA so he wasn't playing.
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It's really not complicated... and more regulation is never the answer. Enforce ages for divisions and boundaries, and allow teams to ice as many teams as they want and at levels they want. If teams conduct themselves like the Wildcats, people will stay away and the program will go bankrupt. It's simple economics.
sorry Bender, but that's the root of all the problems in both SCAHA and CAHA. and people do not stay away because Johnny really should be a AA player
But then that's their fault. Buyer beware. Why should the governing body dictate who gets to play where based on "what if" scenarios? No one is trying to play for the Wildcats/Jr Reign because of their reputation. Everyone else runs a pretty honest program, playing within their ability. The only programs forcing teams into divisions are the Kings/Ducks (Squirt All Stars playing up) and Sharks (AAA on many levels)... who RUN CAHA and SCAHA.
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I'm not sold on that. Why should a 'minor' team not get a chance to play for the state championship just because they are younger?
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Here are the changes that I think would fix the majority of the issues that exist:
-Get rid of AA requirements for clubs to have AAA teams
-Remove red tape for non-franchise clubs to roster AAA teams
-Have Birth year divisions for all Tier (Mix teams with > 3 major age non-goalie players would have to play in major division)
-Get rid of flighting and forget that it ever happened.
Existing rules like PDR would still address wholesale team hijacks, although they might want to raise the bar to 30%.
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I see OCHC 1 being a top contender. Both Wave teams will be a contender. Kings and Empire should be in the mix too. Any other thoughts for Flight 1?
Think you are forgetting the Bears in the mix.
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I see OCHC 1 being a top contender. Both Wave teams will be a contender. Kings and Empire should be in the mix too. Any other thoughts for Flight 1?
:o Really?
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Bears1 is essentially a AAA team again this season. Should be favorites.
Traditional competition:
-GSE1 & GSE2
-Wada Wave '04
-Kings '04
-Saints '04
Interesting to see:
-Empire
-Jr. Sharks
-OC1
-JD '04
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Bears1 is essentially a AAA team again this season. Should be favorites.
Traditional competition:
-GSE1 & GSE2
-Wada Wave '04
-Kings '04
-Saints '04
Interesting to see:
-Empire
-Jr. Sharks
-OC1
-JD '04
That's a solid list.
I would add Bears team 2 to the list of interesting.
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We are all playing for 2nd anyways, aren't we ?? :-\
Some of us even for 3rd/4th from what the consensus is.
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My top 4 in no particular order:
Half Offs
WW
Peetys
GSE
JK- dont even know whos left in that team. Think JK Tats(Tatavosian) will be much better
Jd- same boat as JK just no TATS.
04 pool is not very big.
SAINTS- believe they have a lot if new families but they are well coached.
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Bears1 is essentially a AAA team again this season. Should be favorites.
I don't agree with that assessment of the Bears team, which isn't comparable to last year's team. (They might still be favorites in AA, tho, which is pretty weak this year.)
I guess in no particular order
Bears
WW
GSE
Saints
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My Predictions for Flight 1
Bears 1
GSE 1
GSE 2
OCHC 1
Saints 1
Wada Wave
Jr Reign
Kings 2
Ducks 1 or Ducks 2 (Ducks 2 should hope the Ducks 1 get the nod)
Sharks (CAHA won't leave them out of Flight 1)
The Contenders:
Wave 1
OCHC1
GSE1
Bears 1
Saints1
...in that order
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My Predictions for Flight 1
Bears 1
GSE 1
GSE 2
OCHC 1
Saints 1
Wada Wave
Jr Reign
Kings 2
Ducks 1 or Ducks 2 (Ducks 2 should hope the Ducks 1 get the nod)
Sharks (CAHA won't leave them out of Flight 1)
The Contenders:
Wave 1
OCHC1
GSE1
Bears 1
Saints1
...in that order
Looks about right but would put Saints above OC.
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Bears1 is essentially a AAA team again this season. Should be favorites.
AAA kids? I thought those bears kids were players who were 3rd liners on AAA team and not really AAA standouts?
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Top 8 Flight 1, in no particular order:
Kings2
Saints
GSE1
GSE2
Wave1
Bears1
OCHC1
Ducks1
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I'd have to agree with the Interesting to See Wave 05s. Ducks 05s may have some talent, but I think they'll have problems with the size with checking this year. From what I've heard only, Wave 05 has more size. But any pure minor team will have a tough time. Just my two cents. Looking forward to see how the Bears shake up this year.
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I'd have to agree with the Interesting to See Wave 05s. Ducks 05s may have some talent, but I think they'll have problems with the size with checking this year. From what I've heard only, Wave 05 has more size. But any pure minor team will have a tough time. Just my two cents. Looking forward to see how the Bears shake up this year.
As an '05 Wave 2 parent, the upcoming season is a complete mystery. A handful of good '05 teams from last year but kids have or don't have growth spurts, respond differently to checking, and some player movement to new teams. Wave 2 has two big '05s and two big '04s but it is still a game of speed, quickness, and skill. I think coaching will make a big difference.
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I'd have to agree with the Interesting to See Wave 05s. Ducks 05s may have some talent, but I think they'll have problems with the size with checking this year. From what I've heard only, Wave 05 has more size. But any pure minor team will have a tough time. Just my two cents. Looking forward to see how the Bears shake up this year.
Don't know what happened at tryouts, but Ducks 05 at memorial day was the smallest team in the Anaheim tournament by a lot. That tournament was informative because you had 3 Tier1 PW AA teams (Ducks, Saints & JK) and they all got handled by the 2 '04 AA teams. What was also surprising was the games vs. the Wada AE 05 team, which was a hodgepodge spring team that never had a single practice together and had close games vs all the 05 teams including a tie with the Ducks and a last 2 minutes 4-3 loss to the Saints. Funny how adding checking and kids starting puberty change the complexion of things. ;D
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Bears1 is essentially a AAA team again this season. Should be favorites.
AAA kids? I thought those bears kids were players who were 3rd liners on AAA team and not really AAA standouts?
That's an oversimplification. First of all, the nucleus they started with was pretty good. You can go back and look how the PWAA team did 2 years ago, as well as looking at the Bantam A team that went 14-1 and won SCAHA.
I don't know each and every kid that joined the club this season, but they are not all as you describe although I'm not sure it matters even if they were. They are additions to an already solid nucleus, where you start with at least 2 (that I know of) big skilled and physical '04 D players they've developed. No recruiting needed.
Obviously politics and coaching predilections come into play with every team, but lets not forget that PT had such an abundance of options and eager participants that he managed to get people to sign onto a 12 forward roster!
I don't want to say too much about the Bears2, other than it's primarily the PWAA '05 team with the addition of 3 or 4 solid 04 players. Neither of the girls are back, which is fairly typical of what happens at the Bantam transition, but otherwise you have most of the kids that the coach has had 3 years with now. Depending on what happens with that team, they could give some lower Flight1 teams a run for their money, although there are question marks in terms of the D vs. O question there.
We'll see soon enough, but I wonder who will be scrimmaging PT 04 Bears?
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Didn’t most of the 03 Bears play together from the time they were squirts? Also heard that the 04 kids that dropped to AA from the 04 kings were not going to be retained on their AAA team due to skill level.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
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Bears1 is essentially a AAA team again this season. Should be favorites.
AAA kids? I thought those bears kids were players who were 3rd liners on AAA team and not really AAA standouts?
Ok, let me take back my statement as I was told and confirmed that a top duck (that kid always gave us trouble. Glad he is in AA as we wont have to face him this year in AAA) went over to the bears. Knowing that, I say the bears should be the team to beat in the division. Would be interesting to see how the jamboree shakes up now.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
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Hahahahahahaahahahahahaahaahaa!!!!!
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
I know some of them and we talk smack, that is what this site is for. Some of the others are not able to handle the heat.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
I know some of them and we talk smack, that is what this site is for. Some of the others are not able to handle the heat.
lol...makes sense, as long as you can take it.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
I know some of them and we talk smack, that is what this site is for. Some of the others are not able to handle the heat.
lol...makes sense, as long as you can take it.
BTW. just because you create another account does not mean you are anonymous. Your IP follows you everywhere.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
I know some of them and we talk smack, that is what this site is for. Some of the others are not able to handle the heat.
lol...makes sense, as long as you can take it.
BTW. just because you create another account does not mean you are anonymous. Your IP follows you everywhere.
Hate to break it to you Mr. IT but this is the only account I have.
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Hate to break it to you Mr. IT but this is the only account I have.
I invented the internet didn't you know ;D No wait, that was Al Gore
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
Since you asked...
Coaching requires the ability to know how to motivate each player in order to get the most out of them. Two current examples of good coaches would be Bill Belichick and Mike Babcock. Coaching is not screaming at the players and using fear and intimidation to get them to do what you want. John Tortorella is an example of a coach who uses screaming with fear and intimidation. The team will have some success until the players get tired of dealing with it. Darryl Sutter is an example for all of us Kings fans.
If you do not want your little Gretzky to really learn how to play hockey then go with a team that has a screamer that uses fear and intimidation as a coach. There are plenty in youth hockey. These coaches have some success in youth hockey because of the revolving door of Little Gretzky's. Many parents do not know what they are getting into, they just see a team with a winning record. While others parents do not understand how to motivate and teach people and believe that the only way is by using screaming with fear and intimidation.
All of our Little Gretzky's are destined for beer leagues anyway. This is actually a good life lesson for Little Gretzky that translates into the difference between a boss and a leader. Although many will never learn this lesson. It is not a matter of being sensitive but, the understanding of what makes a coach a good coach.
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SD, not all coaches are right for all kids. But when a good kid is impeaded in development in not only hockey but in life skills , by shrltering a kid i.e. "that coach is a dick, im going to another team " , "that teacher doesn't like my kid, im going to home school him, is just plain foolish and is why of our society is full of entitledly minded pussys.
Now the WW core is going into it's 9th year together, these boys are not only pretty good hockey players but good students and all round kids. Also have kids thst hsve been there 4/5/6 years. Having someone parents and coach all you out on their bullshit, imo, will lead to better kids/hockey players.
In life, do you want to bust your ass and make it work or do you want to jump job to job not knowing where you'll be working at next.
Wada's coaching style is that of holding youself accountable.
You cannot argue with his success.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
Since you asked...
Coaching requires the ability to know how to motivate each player in order to get the most out of them. Two current examples of good coaches would be Bill Belichick and Mike Babcock. Coaching is not screaming at the players and using fear and intimidation to get them to do what you want. John Tortorella is an example of a coach who uses screaming with fear and intimidation. The team will have some success until the players get tired of dealing with it. Darryl Sutter is an example for all of us Kings fans.
If you do not want your little Gretzky to really learn how to play hockey then go with a team that has a screamer that uses fear and intimidation as a coach. There are plenty in youth hockey. These coaches have some success in youth hockey because of the revolving door of Little Gretzky's. Many parents do not know what they are getting into, they just see a team with a winning record. While others parents do not understand how to motivate and teach people and believe that the only way is by using screaming with fear and intimidation.
All of our Little Gretzky's are destined for beer leagues anyway. This is actually a good life lesson for Little Gretzky that translates into the difference between a boss and a leader. Although many will never learn this lesson. It is not a matter of being sensitive but, the understanding of what makes a coach a good coach.
The first time my son saw how the WW were coached he said that's the team for me. It's called accountability, and I know it isn't for everyone. IMO the WW is one of the best coached teams in the state, and if that particular coach raises his voice at your kid you might want to figure out why. Mike Babcock, to whom you point as a great hockey coach and inspiring leader, is also renowned for being one of the toughest coaches around.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
Since you asked...
Coaching requires the ability to know how to motivate each player in order to get the most out of them. Two current examples of good coaches would be Bill Belichick and Mike Babcock. Coaching is not screaming at the players and using fear and intimidation to get them to do what you want. John Tortorella is an example of a coach who uses screaming with fear and intimidation. The team will have some success until the players get tired of dealing with it. Darryl Sutter is an example for all of us Kings fans.
If you do not want your little Gretzky to really learn how to play hockey then go with a team that has a screamer that uses fear and intimidation as a coach. There are plenty in youth hockey. These coaches have some success in youth hockey because of the revolving door of Little Gretzky's. Many parents do not know what they are getting into, they just see a team with a winning record. While others parents do not understand how to motivate and teach people and believe that the only way is by using screaming with fear and intimidation.
All of our Little Gretzky's are destined for beer leagues anyway. This is actually a good life lesson for Little Gretzky that translates into the difference between a boss and a leader. Although many will never learn this lesson. It is not a matter of being sensitive but, the understanding of what makes a coach a good coach.
The first time my son saw how the WW were coached he said that's the team for me. It's called accountability, and I know it isn't for everyone. IMO the WW is one of the best coached teams in the state, and if that particular coach raises his voice at your kid you might want to figure out why. Mike Babcock, to whom you point as a great hockey coach and inspiring leader, is also renowned for being one of the toughest coaches around.
Well coached? He does not even have a system, does not teach positioning or any skills it is just pressure hocky. I have literally overheard him telling a parent that all he does is yell at the kids. There is a lid for every pot an appearly your Little Gretzky's needs to be screamed at and intimidated.
Mike Babcock and Bill Belichick are extremely tough couches. They have very high expectations and expect their players to perform. Being a leader does not mean you do not hold people accountable it means you do not rule by fear and intimidation. Again I do not expect most of you to grasp the concept.
I do not expect to get anywhere with this argument as most of the people who post on this thread are WW parents.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
Since you asked...
Coaching requires the ability to know how to motivate each player in order to get the most out of them. Two current examples of good coaches would be Bill Belichick and Mike Babcock. Coaching is not screaming at the players and using fear and intimidation to get them to do what you want. John Tortorella is an example of a coach who uses screaming with fear and intimidation. The team will have some success until the players get tired of dealing with it. Darryl Sutter is an example for all of us Kings fans.
If you do not want your little Gretzky to really learn how to play hockey then go with a team that has a screamer that uses fear and intimidation as a coach. There are plenty in youth hockey. These coaches have some success in youth hockey because of the revolving door of Little Gretzky's. Many parents do not know what they are getting into, they just see a team with a winning record. While others parents do not understand how to motivate and teach people and believe that the only way is by using screaming with fear and intimidation.
All of our Little Gretzky's are destined for beer leagues anyway. This is actually a good life lesson for Little Gretzky that translates into the difference between a boss and a leader. Although many will never learn this lesson. It is not a matter of being sensitive but, the understanding of what makes a coach a good coach.
The first time my son saw how the WW were coached he said that's the team for me. It's called accountability, and I know it isn't for everyone. IMO the WW is one of the best coached teams in the state, and if that particular coach raises his voice at your kid you might want to figure out why. Mike Babcock, to whom you point as a great hockey coach and inspiring leader, is also renowned for being one of the toughest coaches around.
Well coached? He does not even have a system, does not teach positioning or any skills it is just pressure hocky. I have literally overheard him telling a parent that all he does is yell at the kids. There is a lid for every pot an appearly your Little Gretzky's needs to be screamed at and intimidated.
Mike Babcock and Bill Belichick are extremely tough couches. They have very high expectations and expect their players to perform. Being a leader does not mean you do not hold people accountable it means you do not rule by fear and intimidation. Again I do not expect most of you to grasp the concept.
I do not expect to get anywhere with this argument as most of the people who post on this thread are WW parents.
It's very conflicting because I have heard parents say that their kids team needs a coach that has more control of their team and then you have the parents that are appalled with the yelling when it comes to not doing what is asked of their little Gretzky on the ice. While the WW coach does yell, he does not belittle their kids from what I have seen. There are other coaches that I have witnessed stand on top of their bench (during a game) and yell and belittle their players. Now that is instilling fear.
For what you say he does not teach skill...they seem to have had a core for several years that won a State Championship Title....which has to mean something.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
Since you asked...
Coaching requires the ability to know how to motivate each player in order to get the most out of them. Two current examples of good coaches would be Bill Belichick and Mike Babcock. Coaching is not screaming at the players and using fear and intimidation to get them to do what you want. John Tortorella is an example of a coach who uses screaming with fear and intimidation. The team will have some success until the players get tired of dealing with it. Darryl Sutter is an example for all of us Kings fans.
If you do not want your little Gretzky to really learn how to play hockey then go with a team that has a screamer that uses fear and intimidation as a coach. There are plenty in youth hockey. These coaches have some success in youth hockey because of the revolving door of Little Gretzky's. Many parents do not know what they are getting into, they just see a team with a winning record. While others parents do not understand how to motivate and teach people and believe that the only way is by using screaming with fear and intimidation.
All of our Little Gretzky's are destined for beer leagues anyway. This is actually a good life lesson for Little Gretzky that translates into the difference between a boss and a leader. Although many will never learn this lesson. It is not a matter of being sensitive but, the understanding of what makes a coach a good coach.
The first time my son saw how the WW were coached he said that's the team for me. It's called accountability, and I know it isn't for everyone. IMO the WW is one of the best coached teams in the state, and if that particular coach raises his voice at your kid you might want to figure out why. Mike Babcock, to whom you point as a great hockey coach and inspiring leader, is also renowned for being one of the toughest coaches around.
Well coached? He does not even have a system, does not teach positioning or any skills it is just pressure hocky. I have literally overheard him telling a parent that all he does is yell at the kids. There is a lid for every pot an appearly your Little Gretzky's needs to be screamed at and intimidated.
Mike Babcock and Bill Belichick are extremely tough couches. They have very high expectations and expect their players to perform. Being a leader does not mean you do not hold people accountable it means you do not rule by fear and intimidation. Again I do not expect most of you to grasp the concept.
I do not expect to get anywhere with this argument as most of the people who post on this thread are WW parents.
It's very conflicting because I have heard parents say that their kids team needs a coach that has more control of their team and then you have the parents that are appalled with the yelling when it comes to not doing what is asked of their little Gretzky on the ice. While the WW coach does yell, he does not belittle their kids from what I have seen. There are other coaches that I have witnessed stand on top of their bench (during a game) and yell and belittle their players. Now that is instilling fear.
For what you say he does not teach skill...they seem to have had a core for several years that won a State Championship Title....which has to mean something.
You need not look any further than the assistant coach for the year that won the State Championship Title .
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
Since you asked...
Coaching requires the ability to know how to motivate each player in order to get the most out of them. Two current examples of good coaches would be Bill Belichick and Mike Babcock. Coaching is not screaming at the players and using fear and intimidation to get them to do what you want. John Tortorella is an example of a coach who uses screaming with fear and intimidation. The team will have some success until the players get tired of dealing with it. Darryl Sutter is an example for all of us Kings fans.
If you do not want your little Gretzky to really learn how to play hockey then go with a team that has a screamer that uses fear and intimidation as a coach. There are plenty in youth hockey. These coaches have some success in youth hockey because of the revolving door of Little Gretzky's. Many parents do not know what they are getting into, they just see a team with a winning record. While others parents do not understand how to motivate and teach people and believe that the only way is by using screaming with fear and intimidation.
All of our Little Gretzky's are destined for beer leagues anyway. This is actually a good life lesson for Little Gretzky that translates into the difference between a boss and a leader. Although many will never learn this lesson. It is not a matter of being sensitive but, the understanding of what makes a coach a good coach.
The first time my son saw how the WW were coached he said that's the team for me. It's called accountability, and I know it isn't for everyone. IMO the WW is one of the best coached teams in the state, and if that particular coach raises his voice at your kid you might want to figure out why. Mike Babcock, to whom you point as a great hockey coach and inspiring leader, is also renowned for being one of the toughest coaches around.
Well coached? He does not even have a system, does not teach positioning or any skills it is just pressure hocky. I have literally overheard him telling a parent that all he does is yell at the kids. There is a lid for every pot an appearly your Little Gretzky's needs to be screamed at and intimidated.
Mike Babcock and Bill Belichick are extremely tough couches. They have very high expectations and expect their players to perform. Being a leader does not mean you do not hold people accountable it means you do not rule by fear and intimidation. Again I do not expect most of you to grasp the concept.
I do not expect to get anywhere with this argument as most of the people who post on this thread are WW parents.
It's very conflicting because I have heard parents say that their kids team needs a coach that has more control of their team and then you have the parents that are appalled with the yelling when it comes to not doing what is asked of their little Gretzky on the ice. While the WW coach does yell, he does not belittle their kids from what I have seen. There are other coaches that I have witnessed stand on top of their bench (during a game) and yell and belittle their players. Now that is instilling fear.
For what you say he does not teach skill...they seem to have had a core for several years that won a State Championship Title....which has to mean something.
You need not look any further than the assistant coach for the year that won the State Championship Title .
Highly doubt that an assistant coach can have complete impact like that and the Head Coach not have anything to do with it. I'm sorry but you sound a little bitter....if he yelled at your kid then maybe it is time to let it go. No one is strapped to a team so if someone doesn't like something there are several clubs to chose from.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
Since you asked...
Coaching requires the ability to know how to motivate each player in order to get the most out of them. Two current examples of good coaches would be Bill Belichick and Mike Babcock. Coaching is not screaming at the players and using fear and intimidation to get them to do what you want. John Tortorella is an example of a coach who uses screaming with fear and intimidation. The team will have some success until the players get tired of dealing with it. Darryl Sutter is an example for all of us Kings fans.
If you do not want your little Gretzky to really learn how to play hockey then go with a team that has a screamer that uses fear and intimidation as a coach. There are plenty in youth hockey. These coaches have some success in youth hockey because of the revolving door of Little Gretzky's. Many parents do not know what they are getting into, they just see a team with a winning record. While others parents do not understand how to motivate and teach people and believe that the only way is by using screaming with fear and intimidation.
All of our Little Gretzky's are destined for beer leagues anyway. This is actually a good life lesson for Little Gretzky that translates into the difference between a boss and a leader. Although many will never learn this lesson. It is not a matter of being sensitive but, the understanding of what makes a coach a good coach.
The first time my son saw how the WW were coached he said that's the team for me. It's called accountability, and I know it isn't for everyone. IMO the WW is one of the best coached teams in the state, and if that particular coach raises his voice at your kid you might want to figure out why. Mike Babcock, to whom you point as a great hockey coach and inspiring leader, is also renowned for being one of the toughest coaches around.
Well coached? He does not even have a system, does not teach positioning or any skills it is just pressure hocky. I have literally overheard him telling a parent that all he does is yell at the kids. There is a lid for every pot an appearly your Little Gretzky's needs to be screamed at and intimidated.
Mike Babcock and Bill Belichick are extremely tough couches. They have very high expectations and expect their players to perform. Being a leader does not mean you do not hold people accountable it means you do not rule by fear and intimidation. Again I do not expect most of you to grasp the concept.
I do not expect to get anywhere with this argument as most of the people who post on this thread are WW parents.
It's very conflicting because I have heard parents say that their kids team needs a coach that has more control of their team and then you have the parents that are appalled with the yelling when it comes to not doing what is asked of their little Gretzky on the ice. While the WW coach does yell, he does not belittle their kids from what I have seen. There are other coaches that I have witnessed stand on top of their bench (during a game) and yell and belittle their players. Now that is instilling fear.
For what you say he does not teach skill...they seem to have had a core for several years that won a State Championship Title....which has to mean something.
You need not look any further than the assistant coach for the year that won the State Championship Title .
Highly doubt that an assistant coach can have complete impact like that and the Head Coach not have anything to do with it. I'm sorry but you sound a little bitter....if he yelled at your kid then maybe it is time to let it go. No one is strapped to a team so if someone doesn't like something there are several clubs to chose from.
I do not care that he yelled at my kid, I yell at him almost every day. Yelling is not the problem it is when it is combined with fear and intimidation. I am not bitter, I am a protector and do not like to see kids abused. I poke fun at some to the parents and others take offense, just like you.
That assistant was there one year and only one year and that is the only year that team won. Does not take a rocket scientist to see the connection.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
Since you asked...
Coaching requires the ability to know how to motivate each player in order to get the most out of them. Two current examples of good coaches would be Bill Belichick and Mike Babcock. Coaching is not screaming at the players and using fear and intimidation to get them to do what you want. John Tortorella is an example of a coach who uses screaming with fear and intimidation. The team will have some success until the players get tired of dealing with it. Darryl Sutter is an example for all of us Kings fans.
If you do not want your little Gretzky to really learn how to play hockey then go with a team that has a screamer that uses fear and intimidation as a coach. There are plenty in youth hockey. These coaches have some success in youth hockey because of the revolving door of Little Gretzky's. Many parents do not know what they are getting into, they just see a team with a winning record. While others parents do not understand how to motivate and teach people and believe that the only way is by using screaming with fear and intimidation.
All of our Little Gretzky's are destined for beer leagues anyway. This is actually a good life lesson for Little Gretzky that translates into the difference between a boss and a leader. Although many will never learn this lesson. It is not a matter of being sensitive but, the understanding of what makes a coach a good coach.
The first time my son saw how the WW were coached he said that's the team for me. It's called accountability, and I know it isn't for everyone. IMO the WW is one of the best coached teams in the state, and if that particular coach raises his voice at your kid you might want to figure out why. Mike Babcock, to whom you point as a great hockey coach and inspiring leader, is also renowned for being one of the toughest coaches around.
Well coached? He does not even have a system, does not teach positioning or any skills it is just pressure hocky. I have literally overheard him telling a parent that all he does is yell at the kids. There is a lid for every pot an appearly your Little Gretzky's needs to be screamed at and intimidated.
Mike Babcock and Bill Belichick are extremely tough couches. They have very high expectations and expect their players to perform. Being a leader does not mean you do not hold people accountable it means you do not rule by fear and intimidation. Again I do not expect most of you to grasp the concept.
I do not expect to get anywhere with this argument as most of the people who post on this thread are WW parents.
It's very conflicting because I have heard parents say that their kids team needs a coach that has more control of their team and then you have the parents that are appalled with the yelling when it comes to not doing what is asked of their little Gretzky on the ice. While the WW coach does yell, he does not belittle their kids from what I have seen. There are other coaches that I have witnessed stand on top of their bench (during a game) and yell and belittle their players. Now that is instilling fear.
For what you say he does not teach skill...they seem to have had a core for several years that won a State Championship Title....which has to mean something.
You need not look any further than the assistant coach for the year that won the State Championship Title .
Highly doubt that an assistant coach can have complete impact like that and the Head Coach not have anything to do with it. I'm sorry but you sound a little bitter....if he yelled at your kid then maybe it is time to let it go. No one is strapped to a team so if someone doesn't like something there are several clubs to chose from.
I do not care that he yelled at my kid, I yell at him almost every day. Yelling is not the problem it is when it is combined with fear and intimidation. I am not bitter, I am a protector and do not like to see kids abused. I poke fun at some to the parents and others take offense, just like you.
That assistant was there one year and only one year and that is the only year that team won. Does not take a rocket scientist to see the connection.
I'm not taking offense just stating an honest opinion that you do not seem to like....quite honestly I could care less.
Just looked up the past schedules and looks like they have typically for the most part done well and made playoffs.
BTW...you still sound bitter, even when someone just provided you with an opinion and was not in any way attacking you. Enjoy your kids season...it'll be done before you know it.
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
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Any scrimmage scores from tge weekend ?
I hear Wada wants to scrimmage but other teams are afraid of their parents.
Be careful, that is a sensitive group of parents.
No just think wives wont let husbands come out for a beer.
Just mske sure, if your going to talk smack (we all do), be ready to get cracked. Dont go pouting to mama after......
Nobody to cry to this year...
SkatingDad you either really like those parents or you have something against them because you seem to always try to say something about them. :o :o pretty funny.
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE ??
Your coach
Ha!! Who’s the sensitive one now? Was it that you couldn’t make that team or did you not like them being so hard on your little Gretzky?
Since you asked...
Coaching requires the ability to know how to motivate each player in order to get the most out of them. Two current examples of good coaches would be Bill Belichick and Mike Babcock. Coaching is not screaming at the players and using fear and intimidation to get them to do what you want. John Tortorella is an example of a coach who uses screaming with fear and intimidation. The team will have some success until the players get tired of dealing with it. Darryl Sutter is an example for all of us Kings fans.
If you do not want your little Gretzky to really learn how to play hockey then go with a team that has a screamer that uses fear and intimidation as a coach. There are plenty in youth hockey. These coaches have some success in youth hockey because of the revolving door of Little Gretzky's. Many parents do not know what they are getting into, they just see a team with a winning record. While others parents do not understand how to motivate and teach people and believe that the only way is by using screaming with fear and intimidation.
All of our Little Gretzky's are destined for beer leagues anyway. This is actually a good life lesson for Little Gretzky that translates into the difference between a boss and a leader. Although many will never learn this lesson. It is not a matter of being sensitive but, the understanding of what makes a coach a good coach.
The first time my son saw how the WW were coached he said that's the team for me. It's called accountability, and I know it isn't for everyone. IMO the WW is one of the best coached teams in the state, and if that particular coach raises his voice at your kid you might want to figure out why. Mike Babcock, to whom you point as a great hockey coach and inspiring leader, is also renowned for being one of the toughest coaches around.
Well coached? He does not even have a system, does not teach positioning or any skills it is just pressure hocky. I have literally overheard him telling a parent that all he does is yell at the kids. There is a lid for every pot an appearly your Little Gretzky's needs to be screamed at and intimidated.
Mike Babcock and Bill Belichick are extremely tough couches. They have very high expectations and expect their players to perform. Being a leader does not mean you do not hold people accountable it means you do not rule by fear and intimidation. Again I do not expect most of you to grasp the concept.
I do not expect to get anywhere with this argument as most of the people who post on this thread are WW parents.
It's very conflicting because I have heard parents say that their kids team needs a coach that has more control of their team and then you have the parents that are appalled with the yelling when it comes to not doing what is asked of their little Gretzky on the ice. While the WW coach does yell, he does not belittle their kids from what I have seen. There are other coaches that I have witnessed stand on top of their bench (during a game) and yell and belittle their players. Now that is instilling fear.
For what you say he does not teach skill...they seem to have had a core for several years that won a State Championship Title....which has to mean something.
You need not look any further than the assistant coach for the year that won the State Championship Title .
Highly doubt that an assistant coach can have complete impact like that and the Head Coach not have anything to do with it. I'm sorry but you sound a little bitter....if he yelled at your kid then maybe it is time to let it go. No one is strapped to a team so if someone doesn't like something there are several clubs to chose from.
I do not care that he yelled at my kid, I yell at him almost every day. Yelling is not the problem it is when it is combined with fear and intimidation. I am not bitter, I am a protector and do not like to see kids abused. I poke fun at some to the parents and others take offense, just like you.
That assistant was there one year and only one year and that is the only year that team won. Does not take a rocket scientist to see the connection.
I'm not taking offense just stating an honest opinion that you do not seem to like....quite honestly I could care less.
Just looked up the past schedules and looks like they have typically for the most part done well and made playoffs.
BTW...you still sound bitter, even when someone just provided you with an opinion and was not in any way attacking you. Enjoy your kids season...it'll be done before you know it.
Bitter about the abuse I have witnessed? Absolutely! There are 5-6 other coaches that I have seen do similar things that also causes bitterness. I would point this out to anyone that post about those coaches too. I am not going to attack anyone out of the blue as that is petty. I only comment on other postings.
All of this will be over before we know it then, we will all be sitting home and going through youth hockey withdrawals.
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
There is a lid for every pot.
The point is you do not have to put up with yelling and intimidation, it always ends badly.
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This is fun ;D
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It's good to see some action in here.
No one moments on the Jamburee schedule?
Also the real good assistant coach that helped Wave win states. Isn't this the same guy who was head coach of the 2 win Bantam A team last year? I guess he had a crappy assistant coach last season.
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SKATING DAD !!!!......THE "PROTECTOR""
Just signed me Marvel.
......5/6 coaches....your kid played for only 8 years.....there must be a lot on MEAN coaches out there !!
....or is Super Dad the issue ??
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It's good to see some action in here.
No one moments on the Jamburee schedule?
Also the real good assistant coach that helped Wave win states. Isn't this the same guy who was head coach of the 2 win Bantam A team last year? I guess he had a crappy assistant coach last season.
For the record, the artist formerly known as "Assistant Wave Coach" won a PWAAA Minor CAHA Tier 1 Championship as an assistant coach, and was Runner-Up for PWAA Tier II Championship as Head Coach. Not sure his success as a tough coach is a coincidence. Are we still trying to be vague about this?
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Assistsnt was a good guy, Good family . But he was not the reason WW won States.
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Assistsnt was a good guy, Good family . But he was not the reason WW won States.
Lol
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
Thank you for making my point. All your points above is what this great game of hockey is all about!
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It's good to see some action in here.
No one moments on the Jamburee schedule?
Also the real good assistant coach that helped Wave win states. Isn't this the same guy who was head coach of the 2 win Bantam A team last year? I guess he had a crappy assistant coach last season.
For the record, the artist formerly known as "Assistant Wave Coach" won a PWAAA Minor CAHA Tier 1 Championship as an assistant coach, and was Runner-Up for PWAA Tier II Championship as Head Coach. Not sure his success as a tough coach is a coincidence. Are we still trying to be vague about this?
Heard that all the families loved that assistant coach while he was there and still do but I'm sure that State Title may have had something to do with the kids on the ice.
Coaches and Kids deserve the credit.
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Behind every good coach are great players.
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SD, please tell us you really don’t believe the things your are posting? Cuz if you do, you might want some therapy?
5/6 coaches in 8 years? Are you trying to play on every to complete a SCAHA jersey collection?
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
There is a lid for every pot.
The point is you do not have to put up with yelling and intimidation, it always ends badly.
I just don't agree that it is intimidation
Setting an expectation that you will play a certain way and with 100% effort, or your playing time will be reduced is NOT intimidation.
No different than if you don't get XXX done at work, you could lose your job - Not intimidation.
Do you have specific examples of Wada intimidation???
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SKATING DAD !!!!......THE "PROTECTOR""
Just signed me Marvel.
......5/6 coaches....your kid played for only 8 years.....there must be a lot on MEAN coaches out there !!
....or is Super Dad the issue ??
Never said my son played for them.
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
There is a lid for every pot.
The point is you do not have to put up with yelling and intimidation, it always ends badly.
I just don't agree that it is intimidation
Setting an expectation that you will play a certain way and with 100% effort, or your playing time will be reduced is NOT intimidation.
No different than if you don't get XXX done at work, you could lose your job - Not intimidation.
Do you have specific examples of Wada intimidation???
I am never going to name any kid specifically or describe a scenario on a public forum. If you want to talk to me, I will tell you.
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Assistsnt was a good guy, Good family . But he was not the reason WW won States.
Lol
You forgot to change screen names ;D
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So you have no basis for your comments, cuz you said your son never played for them. You are bashing a coach you never played for. Okay, Did you ever play for the WW?
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So you have no basis for your comments, cuz you said your son never played for them. You are bashing a coach you never played for. Okay, Did you ever play for the WW?
I have eyes and ears and it doesn't take long to see what is going on.
Yes
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So your player played for him, you didn’t like him, and bash him ever since. His teams go on to do well, and I suppose the teams you are on also did just as well, so my question is why do you continue to bash a past coach this much? You are beginning to sound like a jealous ex boyfriend who can’t let go. I will send a bill in the mail no couch needed
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So your player played for him, you didn’t like him, and bash him ever since. His teams go on to do well, and I suppose the teams you are on also did just as well, so my question is why do you continue to bash a past coach this much? You are beginning to sound like a jealous ex boyfriend who can’t let go. I will send a bill in the mail no couch needed
Nice try but, no...
Smart people often seem crazy to others. The fact that you believe in therapy tell me all I need to know about you.
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Then let it go. Don’t want to hear that Coach Wada found a boiling bunny in his kitchen!!!
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So your player played for him, you didn’t like him, and bash him ever since. His teams go on to do well, and I suppose the teams you are on also did just as well, so my question is why do you continue to bash a past coach this much? You are beginning to sound like a jealous ex boyfriend who can’t let go. I will send a bill in the mail no couch needed
Nice try but, no...
Smart people often seem crazy to others. The fact that you believe in therapy tell me all I need to know about you.
lol...there you go again attacking people when they give you their opinion. Voice In Your Head seems right...you seem to bash any chance you get....just saw your previous posts. Maybe try focusing on your kids team and not the ex that you can't seem to get over.
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So your player played for him, you didn’t like him, and bash him ever since. His teams go on to do well, and I suppose the teams you are on also did just as well, so my question is why do you continue to bash a past coach this much? You are beginning to sound like a jealous ex boyfriend who can’t let go. I will send a bill in the mail no couch needed
Nice try but, no...
Smart people often seem crazy to others. The fact that you believe in therapy tell me all I need to know about you.
lol...there you go again attacking people when they give you their opinion. Voice In Your Head seems right...you seem to bash any chance you get....just saw your previous posts. Maybe try focusing on your kids team and not the ex that you can't seem to get over.
How was that attacking him?
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I’m offended you all assume I’m a “himâ€
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I’m offended you all assume I’m a “himâ€
lol
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
There is a lid for every pot.
The point is you do not have to put up with yelling and intimidation, it always ends badly.
I just don't agree that it is intimidation
Setting an expectation that you will play a certain way and with 100% effort, or your playing time will be reduced is NOT intimidation.
No different than if you don't get XXX done at work, you could lose your job - Not intimidation.
Do you have specific examples of Wada intimidation???
I am never going to name any kid specifically or describe a scenario on a public forum. If you want to talk to me, I will tell you.
Agree that you shouldn't name any kid on this forum, but I think you could sufficiently describe the situation to provide an example.
Plain and simple, you can't accuse someone of intimidation without facts and data - Otherwise it is just speculation - It's not Rocket Science
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
There is a lid for every pot.
The point is you do not have to put up with yelling and intimidation, it always ends badly.
I just don't agree that it is intimidation
Setting an expectation that you will play a certain way and with 100% effort, or your playing time will be reduced is NOT intimidation.
No different than if you don't get XXX done at work, you could lose your job - Not intimidation.
Do you have specific examples of Wada intimidation???
I am never going to name any kid specifically or describe a scenario on a public forum. If you want to talk to me, I will tell you.
Agree that you shouldn't name any kid on this forum, but I think you could sufficiently describe the situation to provide an example.
Plain and simple, you can't accuse someone of intimidation without facts and data - Otherwise it is just speculation - It's not Rocket Science
Again, if you want to talk to me I will give examples. I am going to respect the privacy of those families and I am not going to put anything on a public forum involving a kid.
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
There is a lid for every pot.
The point is you do not have to put up with yelling and intimidation, it always ends badly.
I just don't agree that it is intimidation
Setting an expectation that you will play a certain way and with 100% effort, or your playing time will be reduced is NOT intimidation.
No different than if you don't get XXX done at work, you could lose your job - Not intimidation.
Do you have specific examples of Wada intimidation???
I am never going to name any kid specifically or describe a scenario on a public forum. If you want to talk to me, I will tell you.
Agree that you shouldn't name any kid on this forum, but I think you could sufficiently describe the situation to provide an example.
Plain and simple, you can't accuse someone of intimidation without facts and data - Otherwise it is just speculation - It's not Rocket Science
Again, if you want to talk to me I will give examples. I am going to respect the privacy of those families and I am not going to put anything on a public forum involving a kid.
Sure didn't stop you from bashing a coach on-line and making unfounded accusations.
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SKATING DAD THE PROTECTOR !!!
Protecting the rights/feelings of snowflakes big and small.
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Sounds like you do not have any basis for these accusations and want people to just believe you. It really sounds like your player could have been on that State Championship team. But YOU got in the way and now are drumming up scenarios to be right. Let it go. Or does your player remind you every day that he could have been a State Champ?
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Very rambunctious here today... must be Jamboree excitement.
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My kid played a season for Wada, I was one of the asst. coaches, and I cannot once remember Wada ever yelling or trying to intimidate a kid. That's not his style. He's got strengths, he's got weaknesses, but labeling him a screamer is baseless.
Enjoy the season; your kiddos' hockey careers are way closer to their ends than their beginnings. Back to hibernation.
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
There is a lid for every pot.
The point is you do not have to put up with yelling and intimidation, it always ends badly.
I just don't agree that it is intimidation
Setting an expectation that you will play a certain way and with 100% effort, or your playing time will be reduced is NOT intimidation.
No different than if you don't get XXX done at work, you could lose your job - Not intimidation.
Do you have specific examples of Wada intimidation???
I am never going to name any kid specifically or describe a scenario on a public forum. If you want to talk to me, I will tell you.
Agree that you shouldn't name any kid on this forum, but I think you could sufficiently describe the situation to provide an example.
Plain and simple, you can't accuse someone of intimidation without facts and data - Otherwise it is just speculation - It's not Rocket Science
Again, if you want to talk to me I will give examples. I am going to respect the privacy of those families and I am not going to put anything on a public forum involving a kid.
Sure didn't stop you from bashing a coach on-line and making unfounded accusations.
A coach is not a kid. I will talk to him to, if he wants.
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SKATING DAD THE PROTECTOR !!!
Protecting the rights/feelings of snowflakes big and small.
Damn right and not just snowflakes.
It is not like this is news to you, we have talked about this very thing.
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I am not sure you need to talk to him, you need to talk to a professional :o
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You guys are crazy fun because of how sensitive you are.
I grow bored talking to the same people with different screen names.
Enjoy your season this will all be over before we know it...
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We are not the same people. We may have similar views but not the same. Perhaps you should look at yourself. You seem to be the one with much angst against someone you have not played for in some time. I hope for your sake you find a way to let it go, cuz carrying it all this time will only cause you more and more problems. Like John Lennon said “ Imagine “ if you just let it go
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My kid played a season for Wada, I was one of the asst. coaches, and I cannot once remember Wada ever yelling or trying to intimidate a kid. That's not his style. He's got strengths, he's got weaknesses, but labeling him a screamer is baseless.
Enjoy the season; your kiddos' hockey careers are way closer to their ends than their beginnings. Back to hibernation.
Here you go Skating Dad...someone that his kid played for in the past and does not agree with your statements.
Seems to be that you are the one with the issue or as I stated before bitterness.
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My kid also played for Wada for 1 season. While I can't speak for others' experience, I can say that my kid and my family had a fantastic year with Wada. I asked my kid just now if Wada ever intimidated/yelled at him or his teammates, and he said Wada actually hardly yelled at them at all. I think Wada is a good communicator, well at least with me he was... I have heard some parents say that Wada never talks to them, and that is the complete opposite experience I had (Trev, we still good right? Call me maybe... :'( ) I think his coaching style, along with his assistant coach (who was excellent both on and off-ice) was fair and kids have to be accountable for their performance. I believe most if not all kids got their fair share of playing time. Sometime he likes the good cop/bad cop approach and let his assistant teach just so the kids get to hear a different voice in the locker room.
WW has always been able to attract talented players and this Wave team's records speak for itself. Wada deserves a lot of the credit.
As for the Wave parents, while I'm no longer sure what my standing is with some of them, I can say that they're all good people. They've tried hard to assimilate me but my 'allergy' to alcohol made it pretty much impossible... Very tight knit group, with strong opinions and if they like you, they will let you know, and if they don't, you better watch out! All I can say is I will miss them... or maybe my mind will change after this weekend ;D
Skating Dad, I think I know who you're (we met recently) and if I'm correct, your kid was never with this group of Wave kids, or maybe prior to PWA? You're entitled to your opinion of course and I respect that. I'm just here to chime in my two cents about our experience.
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Wada couldn't hold Peter T's jock when it comes to coaching.
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Wada couldn't hold Peter T's jock when it comes to coaching.
Well, I don't know anything about holding anybody's jock, but coaching success/failure are all relative... great coaches don't always win it all and sometimes a 'lesser' coach may have better 'success' on the surface, but I think if your kid is developing as a player and a young adult under a coach, that should be the enough to consider a coach has done his/her job.
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@ SkatingDad - Clearly your experience with Wada was not a good one, but your comments lead me to believe that you haven't spent a significant portion of time with him.
I have, and while he's not the perfect coach (don't believe there is such a thing), he is a good coach and the right coach for my son. Under Wada's coaching, my son has developed tremendously and is playing the best I have ever seen him play, and this is due to my son's hard work, and the coaching he receives from Wada and his staff. Have the assistant coaches contributed positively to WW success - Sure, why else would they be brought in, but they are not the only reason.
Wada has developed a culture of expectation and consequences for not meeting expectation. Every player has been held accountable for ON and OFF ice performance, and playing time has been adjusted for not meeting that expectation. He is a good fit for my son, and the core group that have played with him for many seasons, and if you ask the parents, they will tell you that their sons want to play for Wada.
As far as his style, if you think your little gretzky isn't going to face yelling and intimidation in life outside of hockey, then your son is in for a big surprise. Our kids are playing the greatest game in the world, working hard and learning life lessons that will extend and prepare them for future adversity.
There is a lid for every pot.
The point is you do not have to put up with yelling and intimidation, it always ends badly.
I just don't agree that it is intimidation
Setting an expectation that you will play a certain way and with 100% effort, or your playing time will be reduced is NOT intimidation.
No different than if you don't get XXX done at work, you could lose your job - Not intimidation.
Do you have specific examples of Wada intimidation???
Fascinating discussion. My son has now played for Wada Wave for about 3 months. He had a coach last year that not only yelled but scapegoated players for making mistakes and for his own mistakes. This coach had favorites based on who knows what, did lot of punishment skates at practices, and expected players to execute his system in a mechanical, unthinking fashion.
We once played a Memorial Day tournament with a coach who yelled and spit in face of young players. There is some awful coaching out there. But Coach Wada is not one of those coaches. Unrelated to this discussion, my son observed last night that one of the things he likes most about Trevor Wada is that he respects his players and they respect him in return. That is a big deal. It is possible to yell and hold a player responsible without demeaning them as a person or blaming them unfairly for their own mistakes.
We both like that Trevor Wada teaches and corrects mistakes in practice calmly. He attracts players with a team-first mentality not a "star" mindset. His practices are organized and efficient, e.g., a minimal amount of standing around. He focuses on mistakes of the previous game or scrimmage and seeks to correct them with efficiency not theatrics. The locker room is appropriate for the age but so far without drama or factions. There is nearly always some fun activity at the end of practice. There seems to be even now a sense of accountability but also a really good culture evolving.
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One last post one this topic and then I’m done with it. I will talk to anyone that wants to in person.
To set the record strait, my boy played 2 seasons with WW. He was never the object of his affection so to speak. He was a productive player on the team and was awarded player of the game 3-5 times (don’t really remember). However, my boy has a good since of right and wrong. He did not like the way Wada treated the other boys. He made a very mature decision to leave the team even though it meant leaving his friends. I made sure I explained to him what it meant to make that move and he went trough with it. Since then we have been on some winning teams, mediocre teams and a losing team. He has played for about 8 coaches including tournament teams and spring league and had lessons with about the same number. Each year has been a fight to make teams. I believe this has only made him a better person and player. Wada by far is the worst coach he has ever played for.
I am bitter but, not for the reasons some of you think. I’m bitter because the club continues to have a coach who had a history of verbally abusing kids. I’m bitter because he has caused 2-3 kids (that I know of) to quit the best game in the world and many others have been in the verge of quoting. He has a loyal follow of people who think his behavior is funny and think he walks on water. Many of the parents think they own this board and are fine with bashing others but, can not take any heat themselves.
As Paul Harvey said, “That is the rest of the story.â€
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One last post one this topic and then I’m done with it. I will talk to anyone that wants to in person.
To set the record strait, my boy played 2 seasons with WW. He was never the object of his affection so to speak. He was a productive player on the team and was awarded player of the game 3-5 times (don’t really remember). However, my boy has a good since of right and wrong. He did not like the way Wada treated the other boys. He made a very mature decision to leave the team even though it meant leaving his friends. I made sure I explained to him what it meant to make that move and he went trough with it. Since then we have been on some winning teams, mediocre teams and a losing team. He has played for about 8 coaches including tournament teams and spring league and had lessons with about the same number. Each year has been a fight to make teams. I believe this has only made him a better person and player. Wada by far is the worst coach he has ever played for.
I am bitter but, not for the reasons some of you think. I’m bitter because the club continues to have a coach who had a history of verbally abusing kids. I’m bitter because he has caused 2-3 kids (that I know of) to quit the best game in the world and many others have been in the verge of quoting. He has a loyal follow of people who think his behavior is funny and think he walks on water. Many of the parents think they own this board and are fine with bashing others but, can not take any heat themselves.
As Paul Harvey said, “That is the rest of the story.â€
You see things through Wada hating glasses, your opinion. Wada is not gor everyone. The exsmple i used to tell people is this. If when your kids get in trouble in school and you automaticslly say " What did your teacher do ? Like it was the teachers fault, this team is not for you. This team is not for parents who take this too seriously, thin skined or hall monitor mentality. Its not you kid that was a square peg on s round hole, but you. And that's ok. Not everyone likes me either (even though i csnt see why). Hope your not playing any Queen music ss you put on lip stick while looking at your Trevor poster
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One last post one this topic and then I’m done with it. I will talk to anyone that wants to in person.
To set the record strait, my boy played 2 seasons with WW. He was never the object of his affection so to speak. He was a productive player on the team and was awarded player of the game 3-5 times (don’t really remember). However, my boy has a good since of right and wrong. He did not like the way Wada treated the other boys. He made a very mature decision to leave the team even though it meant leaving his friends. I made sure I explained to him what it meant to make that move and he went trough with it. Since then we have been on some winning teams, mediocre teams and a losing team. He has played for about 8 coaches including tournament teams and spring league and had lessons with about the same number. Each year has been a fight to make teams. I believe this has only made him a better person and player. Wada by far is the worst coach he has ever played for.
I am bitter but, not for the reasons some of you think. I’m bitter because the club continues to have a coach who had a history of verbally abusing kids. I’m bitter because he has caused 2-3 kids (that I know of) to quit the best game in the world and many others have been in the verge of quoting. He has a loyal follow of people who think his behavior is funny and think he walks on water. Many of the parents think they own this board and are fine with bashing others but, can not take any heat themselves.
As Paul Harvey said, “That is the rest of the story.â€
SkatingDad, if your kid is a bantam and has already had 8 coaches, that means either he needs help or you do. Maybe start by checking your medication, which seems to be really off today. Bottom line, don’t blame the coach, especially not a successful one who has no trouble attracting good players year in and year out who won a state championship pretty recently.
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One last post one this topic and then I’m done with it. I will talk to anyone that wants to in person.
To set the record strait, my boy played 2 seasons with WW. He was never the object of his affection so to speak. He was a productive player on the team and was awarded player of the game 3-5 times (don’t really remember). However, my boy has a good since of right and wrong. He did not like the way Wada treated the other boys. He made a very mature decision to leave the team even though it meant leaving his friends. I made sure I explained to him what it meant to make that move and he went trough with it. Since then we have been on some winning teams, mediocre teams and a losing team. He has played for about 8 coaches including tournament teams and spring league and had lessons with about the same number. Each year has been a fight to make teams. I believe this has only made him a better person and player. Wada by far is the worst coach he has ever played for.
I am bitter but, not for the reasons some of you think. I’m bitter because the club continues to have a coach who had a history of verbally abusing kids. I’m bitter because he has caused 2-3 kids (that I know of) to quit the best game in the world and many others have been in the verge of quoting. He has a loyal follow of people who think his behavior is funny and think he walks on water. Many of the parents think they own this board and are fine with bashing others but, can not take any heat themselves.
As Paul Harvey said, “That is the rest of the story.â€
You see things through Wada hating glasses, your opinion. Wada is not gor everyone. The exsmple i used to tell people is this. If when your kids get in trouble in school and you automaticslly say " What did your teacher do ? Like it was the teachers fault, this team is not for you. This team is not for parents who take this too seriously, thin skined or hall monitor mentality. Its not you kid that was a square peg on s round hole, but you. And that's ok. Not everyone likes me either (even though i csnt see why). Hope your not playing any Queen music ss you put on lip stick while looking at your Trevor poster
I can not imagine why anyone would not like you ether :)
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One last post one this topic and then I’m done with it. I will talk to anyone that wants to in person.
To set the record strait, my boy played 2 seasons with WW. He was never the object of his affection so to speak. He was a productive player on the team and was awarded player of the game 3-5 times (don’t really remember). However, my boy has a good since of right and wrong. He did not like the way Wada treated the other boys. He made a very mature decision to leave the team even though it meant leaving his friends. I made sure I explained to him what it meant to make that move and he went trough with it. Since then we have been on some winning teams, mediocre teams and a losing team. He has played for about 8 coaches including tournament teams and spring league and had lessons with about the same number. Each year has been a fight to make teams. I believe this has only made him a better person and player. Wada by far is the worst coach he has ever played for.
I am bitter but, not for the reasons some of you think. I’m bitter because the club continues to have a coach who had a history of verbally abusing kids. I’m bitter because he has caused 2-3 kids (that I know of) to quit the best game in the world and many others have been in the verge of quoting. He has a loyal follow of people who think his behavior is funny and think he walks on water. Many of the parents think they own this board and are fine with bashing others but, can not take any heat themselves.
As Paul Harvey said, “That is the rest of the story.â€
SkatingDad, if your kid is a bantam and has already had 8 coaches, that means either he needs help or you do. Maybe start by checking your medication, which seems to be really off today. Bottom line, don’t blame the coach, especially not a successful one who has no trouble attracting good players year in and year out who won a state championship pretty recently.
It is not hard to play for that many coaches if you play for a primarily major birth year team one year and a primarily minor birth year team the next. You can not move up and can not move down. Met some great people along the way though.
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One last question SD, if it was your son’s decision to leave the team and he was doing pretty darn well to get player of the 3-5 times, then why are YOU so angry with this coach when none of it truly affected you or your son?
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Does anyone know when we will get the jamboree schedule?
First two games have been released.
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So glad my kid is no longer a Bantam. Now I can be a creeper like Pistonkev and troll the Bantam pages. Trans sir, next time you highlight a comment and post behind it "lol", make sure you change your screen name. Go back a couple posts and you will see what I'm referring to. I think Skating DAD caught it.
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Where can I find the schedule at?
Your team manager. After two games, the schedule changes for matchup reasons.
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One last question SD, if it was your son’s decision to leave the team and he was doing pretty darn well to get player of the 3-5 times, then why are YOU so angry with this coach when none of it truly affected you or your son?
Good question... I guess it was because last year I made a very small joke on this board being careful about what I said. The team went crying to the club president because they knew my screen name and then got my coach in trouble. Out of respect for that coach, I kept quiet but, it pissed me off. I am not at that club anymore and will never go back. There is nobody to cry to now and with the appropriate prodding by your compadres I came clean.
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That still doesn’t explain your hatred of Wada and bashing at every opportunity, when you should be bashing the parents of that team. You specifically bash Wada with unfounded claims and now say it’s cuz of a joke gone wrong? Not sure I believe that. I think you hate Wada cuz he didn’t stroke your ego and you thought you would show him and leave his team for greener pastures and the WW continued to get better and the teams you were on did not. Instead of manning up and admitting you were wrong, you bash Wada and create nonsense to affirm you position. Are you an author of non fiction books? If not you should be
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One last question SD, if it was your son’s decision to leave the team and he was doing pretty darn well to get player of the 3-5 times, then why are YOU so angry with this coach when none of it truly affected you or your son?
Good question... I guess it was because last year I made a very small joke on this board being careful about what I said. The team went crying to the club president because they knew my screen name and then got my coach in trouble. Out of respect for that coach, I kept quiet but, it pissed me off. I am not at that club anymore and will never go back. There is nobody to cry to now and with the appropriate prodding by your compadres I came clean.
Good grief feel like I went through a therapy session portfolio. Let it go Skating Dad...you’ve left the club, now be free.
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That still doesn’t explain your hatred of Wada and bashing at every opportunity, when you should be bashing the parents of that team. You specifically bash Wada with unfounded claims and now say it’s cuz of a joke gone wrong? Not sure I believe that. I think you hate Wada cuz he didn’t stroke your ego and you thought you would show him and leave his team for greener pastures and the WW continued to get better and the teams you were on did not. Instead of manning up and admitting you were wrong, you bash Wada and create nonsense to affirm you position. Are you an author of non fiction books? If not you should be
Okay, the thing is... he's not wrong. He thinks Wada is a crappy coach. That's his opinion. He clearly has his reasons. He doesn't have to explain his reasons on an anonymous forum. It just is what it is. You know he's biased, so you take his word with a grain of salt. If you like Wada, then you like Wada. Good for you. But that's how he feels about Wada. No big deal. Every coach has their supporters and haters. Such is life.
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JACKBENDER, that was actually very well stated. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Peter T in Burbank is hands down the best youth hockey coach in the state. Look at all these kids that are going to prep school for free.
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JACKBENDER, that was actually very well stated. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Peter T in Burbank is hands down the best youth hockey coach in the state. Look at all these kids that are going to prep school for free.
Do tell, how many are going “for free� And how many are playing on Varsity teams at those schools, as opposed to playing a 3 month JV season and then spending the rest of the year playing croquet? Cults are nothing if not entertaining.
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Agreed. PT is very good, but the biggest indicator of your kids future in hockey comes from inside the athlete. A kid who loves the sport develops in ways a coach can only shape not construct. Searching for a coach, elevating a coach or complaining about a coach is often a parents way of not dealing with the hardest part of the equation for them to swallow. The will of their kid, and his or her talents is still what matters most.
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Agreed. PT is very good, but the biggest indicator of your kids future in hockey comes from inside the athlete. A kid who loves the sport develops in ways a coach can only shape not construct. Searching for a coach, elevating a coach or complaining about a coach is often a parents way of not dealing with the hardest part of the equation for them to swallow. The will of their kid, and
his or her talents is still what matters most.
That was actually well said Sharky :)
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Pistonkev, creeper guy, Im waiting for your take on coach Peter T. Or are you going to blow up the board with Pavel saliva spewing from your mouth. What happened up north? no 16's? Where did they go?
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Pistonkev, creeper guy, Im waiting for your take on coach Peter T. Or are you going to blow up the board with Pavel saliva spewing from your mouth. What happened up north? no 16's? Where did they go?
Welcome back Westside or gordon dad. Why are you calling out the coach who took your son?
I think Peter is a great coach and has done great things for kids.
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As previously mentioned my Child is no longer a Bantam so you will have to keep guessing who your fellow creeper troll is this time. Was curious to know what happened to your little Gretzky after the Bantam level team your kid was playing for folded.
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The anonymous person who started a new account two days ago says his kid is not a Bantam, so that means his kid is not a Bantam!!
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Mine isnt either......he's U14
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Keep guessing Pistonkev. Last time I checked the person who your referring to had no problem exposing themselves. I on the other hand am someone very close to you. Very.
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Lol
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This has been the most enjoyable read. Thanks for the melt. Goes great with popcorn!
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Pistonkev, creeper guy, Im waiting for your take on coach Peter T. Or are you going to blow up the board with Pavel saliva spewing from your mouth. What happened up north? no 16's? Where did they go?
Pavel took a minor year 16AA team to the state finals last year. His players went to Tahoe, and Valencia Jr's with some signing onto a Prep school tournament team based around West Ranch. The shrinking pool of players at Midget may have caught up with the available pool at Valencia, but that's in no way a reflect on Pavel. And for what it's worth, Pavel had already committed to coaching PW & Bantam in the spring. They hired a new coach with a very impressive resume, who has ended up coaching the Jr team.
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This has been the most enjoyable read. Thanks for the melt. Goes great with popcorn!
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Thank you IceDAD as I asked a simple question and Pistonkev got very angry. I take it that his little one (no pun) did not make it to Tahoe so hes bitter.
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Any scrimmage reports from the weekend? Heard there were a few happening.
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Wave 1 vs OCHC 1 - Game ended 1 to 0 Wave.
Fun game to watch, mostly even, Wave had more chances and probably a larger percentage of puck possession, but not by a significant amount.
Great to have hockey games to watch again.
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GSE North (2) and San Jose and GSE South (1) had non-game length scrimmages this past weekend....GSE North handled both pretty cleanly and they will again be the team to beat from the north. 8)
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Heard lil bears took it to Big Bears .
Legit ?? or did Peety take a page out of the old JK Jeti mind trick book ?
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The 04 Bears ARE NOT close to what the 03 Bears were. Lotta headaches on that team. No chemistry. Puck hogs galore. WW is team to beat in AA tier 1. They look big strong and fast.
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WW played JK Tats today
JK Tats is no joke.
WW beat them only 3-1/
Very fast and grind.
Would consider them mid pack Flight 1 with big upside. Hope CAHA does not penalize them because they are a mostly 05 team. Think they have 4 04s
Top teams better hope to play them early. Would think they will be a top tier team after the holidays if they stay healthy.
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Heard JK Tats actually controlled most of the game... just didn't bury the puck. That's surprising about the Bears Civil War matchup... we'll need full details!!
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The 04 Bears ARE NOT close to what the 03 Bears were. Lotta headaches on that team. No chemistry. Puck hogs galore. WW is team to beat in AA tier 1. They look big strong and fast.
Say it ain't so. 04 Bears' pedigree has made them pre-ordained state champs since May, does this mean we still have to play GAMES?
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OC1 vs Kings1: 9-2 OC1
Bears2 vs Bears1: 2-1 Bears2
Wave1 vs Kings2: 3-1 Wave1
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OC1 vs Kings1: 9-2 OC1
Bears2 vs Bears1: 2-1 Bears2
Wave1 vs Kings2: 3-1 Wave1
It must've been a full moon.
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Well from what I heard the Bears essentially played a no-check intra squad game reffed by a former player. I wouldn't rush to judgement based on the score. Bears2 has a solid roster and leans a bit towards the 04/05 hybrid.
OC1 picked up kids via various means, to the detriment of a couple of its neighbors. Kings1 also suffered some quality defections from what I have been told, only in this case they went to Kings2, and Kings2 added to their '05 core.
I'm sure that's not what Kings1 expected, but OC1 looks to be in the mix for the top 5 Flight1 battle.
Looking at the Jamboree I see a lot of games where it seems pretty clear that that the pre-season assumptions as to flighting are in effect. The vast majority of the games are "assumed flight1 vs assumed flight1" or "assumed flight2 vs assumed flight2". "Hey lets have Bears1 play Wave1!" Jamboree continues to look like the dumb, political and meaningless exercise in preconception it was last year.
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Well from what I heard the Bears essentially played a no-check intra squad game reffed by a former player. I wouldn't rush to judgement based on the score. Bears2 has a solid roster and leans a bit towards the 04/05 hybrid.
Still kind of shocking.
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Well from what I heard the Bears essentially played a no-check intra squad game reffed by a former player. I wouldn't rush to judgement based on the score. Bears2 has a solid roster and leans a bit towards the 04/05 hybrid.
OC1 picked up kids via various means, to the detriment of a couple of its neighbors. Kings1 also suffered some quality defections from what I have been told, only in this case they went to Kings2, and Kings2 added to their '05 core.
I'm sure that's not what Kings1 expected, but OC1 looks to be in the mix for the top 5 Flight1 battle.
Looking at the Jamboree I see a lot of games where it seems pretty clear that that the pre-season assumptions as to flighting are in effect. The vast majority of the games are "assumed flight1 vs assumed flight1" or "assumed flight2 vs assumed flight2". "Hey lets have Bears1 play Wave1!" Jamboree continues to look like the dumb, political and meaningless exercise in preconception it was last year.
They play Saturday @ 4 15
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Well from what I heard the Bears essentially played a no-check intra squad game reffed by a former player. I wouldn't rush to judgement based on the score. Bears2 has a solid roster and leans a bit towards the 04/05 hybrid.
OC1 picked up kids via various means, to the detriment of a couple of its neighbors. Kings1 also suffered some quality defections from what I have been told, only in this case they went to Kings2, and Kings2 added to their '05 core.
I'm sure that's not what Kings1 expected, but OC1 looks to be in the mix for the top 5 Flight1 battle.
Looking at the Jamboree I see a lot of games where it seems pretty clear that that the pre-season assumptions as to flighting are in effect. The vast majority of the games are "assumed flight1 vs assumed flight1" or "assumed flight2 vs assumed flight2". "Hey lets have Bears1 play Wave1!" Jamboree continues to look like the dumb, political and meaningless exercise in preconception it was last year.
True, no doubt... but win your games and you will be fine.
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In talking with a Bears1 dad, I was told that Bears1 out shot Bears2 by a significant margin, but couldn’t finish. He also mentioned that Bears2 had size on Bears1 which seems a bit odd given that Bears2 are mostly 05’s.
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In talking with a Bears1 dad, I was told that Bears1 out shot Bears2 by a significant margin, but couldn’t finish. He also mentioned that Bears2 had size on Bears1 which seems a bit odd given that Bears2 are mostly 05’s.
If they have problems with size of 05s that presumably dont know how to hit yet, they are in for a WORLD OF HURT vs The Half Offs and the WW.
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OC1 no creampuffs either! Might be a very interesting year...
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OC1 no creampuffs either! Might be a very interesting year...
I think he was referring to OC1 ----> Half Offs ;D ;D ;D
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.....but still dont buy it......
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Everyone ready for the CAHA money grab this weekend.
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Nailed it!
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Everyone ready for the CAHA money grab this weekend.
The coin operated heaters in Simi are a great metaphor for the entire exercise.
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hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahahaha!!!! Nailed it again! Sooooo true!! ;D
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So does anyone know who are the CAHA evaluators for the Weekend? Hopefully they hired an outside agency to do the evaluating so there is no conflicts of interest. ;)
Or to eliminate all of this nonesense and waste of time and money, CAHA just needs to make a minor and major Bantam divisions. Problem solved. But that’s too easy for CAHA.
You actually believe there is evaluating happening this weekend? If this is the same as last year, they all ready have the flights assigned and this exercise means nothing. For example, they did not even bother to remove the teams that dropped or where disbanded from last year's list defining flights sent to the clubs.
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I guess things are starting to heat up as parents get ready to drive & fly in from all over for run time games that aren't really games but are part of a jamboree. Whatever you want to call this joke of an evaluation, the whole season very well comes down to this weekend.
I almost feel like there could be less teams in flight 1, but I can't imagine how that would happen given the politics. If you were to have 10 teams in flight two then how do you not have some sort of a playoff or play in playoff?
Tryouts should be 8/1. Teams should be allowed to have Labor Day where ever they want and to spend time & money however they want.
All submitted games and scrimmages could be part of the review but real CAHA scrimmages could start in September. Any questions could be answered with a few special games scheduled in October. At that point a team might not want to be in a particular flight, and the game might not even be necessary.
CAHA weekends could then start in November or December.
While I don't mind flights at bantam. Most of us have to agree the bantam teams might be significantly different in October than they are this weekend.
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Let’s get the picks going...
Bears2 over oc2
Kings2 over flyers
Bears1 over empire
Saints2 over reign
Kings1 over ducks2
Gulls1 over sharks
Oc1 over wave1
Gse2 over wave2
Gse1 over saints1
Ducks1 over reign
Bears2 over ducks2
Oc1 over kings1
Gulls1 over empire
Saints1 over gse2
Gse1 over kings2
Oc2 over sharks
Flyers over wave2
Saints2 over ducks1
Bears1 over wave1
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While I was wrong last year, I just can't see this evaluation sticking around for the long term. Too many factors at risk for the folks making the decisions. Teams could just announce what flight they want to play in and then CAHA could decide yes or no based on 3 scrimmages and tournaments Labor Day.
Here's to a safe and fun weekend. Good luck.
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Are these scores going to be posted online anywhere?
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Let’s get the picks going...
Bears2 over oc2
Kings2 over flyers
Bears1 over empire
Saints2 over reign
Kings1 over ducks2
Gulls1 over sharks
Oc1 over wave1
Gse2 over wave2
Gse1 over saints1
Ducks1 over reign
Bears2 over ducks2
Oc1 over kings1
Gulls1 over empire
Saints1 over gse2
Gse1 over kings2
Oc2 over sharks
Flyers over wave2
Saints2 over ducks1
Bears1 over wave1
I disagree with some of the picks above! We shall see.
Doesn't really matter anyhow. Jamboree is not an accurate assessment of teams... Early season injuries will likely impact outcome of games.
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Based on those picks it looks like [pucks] has already started drinking... I guess your preseason performance is not an indicator of your preparedness to begin competition today... OC1 lost to Wave1 and Bears2 beat Bears1... just saying... .
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Are these scores going to be posted online anywhere?
Supposedly on CAHA site... under the Jamboree tab.
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I do not believe they were posted last year...
Are these scores going to be posted online anywhere?
Supposedly on CAHA site... under the Jamboree tab.
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You're right. So, in usual CAHA fashion... we'll get no information and teams will be flighted behind closed doors. Assessments are due 9/1, by the way. Move along. Nothing to see here.
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I would think most teams are already slotted.
MAYBE one or two wildcard teams.....MAYBE
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I do not believe they were posted last year...
Are these scores going to be posted online anywhere?
Supposedly on CAHA site... under the Jamboree tab.
If I remember from last year I did see them but they were removed after a couple of days.
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Jack, are all assessments due 9/1 or just Bantam? Score updates?
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Scores I know:
Bears2 (2) - OC2 (0)
JK2 (3) - Flyers (2)
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GSE2 beat wave2 9-0
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OC1 over Wave1; 2-1
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Curious... how long were your games?
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Curious... how long were your games?
Two 20-min halves, with running clock... #lameAF
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Same. But the CAHA Guidebook and Rules 2017-2019 states it should be (2) 25-minute periods.
To be exact...
On Page 31:
9.9 CAHA TIER II FLIGHT SYSTEM ADMINISTRATIVE GUIDELINES:
6) Evaluation Jamboree format will be 1-hour mini game slots, with a 3-minute warmup, (2) 25-minute runtime periods, and a 1-minute intermission between periods.
I mean, seriously? It's bad enough we're forced to do this ridiculous event... but they're blatantly ripping us all off and not even following their own guidelines? How are managers and coaches and organizations standing for this nonsense?
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It's all going to work out in the end -- I heard a rumor they will be giving us all a coupon in Vacaville for a $1.00 discount on a roll of tape.
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They should start with an apology for this utter non-sense. After that we can look at the financials as to how much money of every 12, 14 & 16 year old player they have wasted for the last two years.
Pulling kids out of school early, flying on planes from up North, hotels and multiple long car rides is just scratching the surface here and it is almost surprising no club has just flat out refused to play. At least half of the teams already know where they are going to placed before this dumb event occurs.
How many minutes of real ice time were all of these teams shorted for this evaluation?
And maybe I'm missing something here, but you can't find scores anywhere? This whole thing is shrouded in secrecy.
The organization called CAHA has lost sight of their goal with this event:
- To encourage, foster and promote the development and growth of the sport of amateur ice hockey within the State of California.
If you volunteer or work for the organization start asking questions. Because the line out the door to leave California is a long one and it seems to grow with each passing day:
29.2 CAHA shall not be operated in a manner which will generate pecuniary gain or profit for any Member Association or individual and is organized solely for nonprofit purposes. [size=78%] [/size]
Lastly, I've seen a few darn good hockey teams which I believe could compete at AAA. I am impressed. Why the heck can't some of these players be playing against the best AAA players in the state. Cut out the red tape. It might make AAA hockey in California a bit easier.
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They should start with an apology for this utter non-sense. After that we can look at the financials as to how much money of every 12, 14 & 16 year old player they have wasted for the last two years.
Pulling kids out of school early, flying on planes from up North, hotels and multiple long car rides is just scratching the surface here and it is almost surprising no club has just flat out refused to play. At least half of the teams already know where they are going to placed before this dumb event occurs.
How many minutes of real ice time were all of these teams shorted for this evaluation?
And maybe I'm missing something here, but you can't find scores anywhere? This whole thing is shrouded in secrecy.
The organization called CAHA has lost sight of their goal with this event:
- To encourage, foster and promote the development and growth of the sport of amateur ice hockey within the State of California.
If you volunteer or work for the organization start asking questions. Because the line out the door to leave California is a long one and it seems to grow with each passing day:
29.2 CAHA shall not be operated in a manner which will generate pecuniary gain or profit for any Member Association or individual and is organized solely for nonprofit purposes. [size=78%] [/size]
Lastly, I've seen a few darn good hockey teams which I believe could compete at AAA. I am impressed. Why the heck can't some of these players be playing against the best AAA players in the state. Cut out the red tape. It might make AAA hockey in California a bit easier.
Good post Hockey 05. The secrecy around scores is particularly annoying.
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CAHA's continuing actions al but guarantee the growth of exodus when possible, including all the happy high school families now in the ADHSL system.
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I’d go even further. Two teams in flight one. The rest in flight two. It seems kind of cold, but we have definitive proof from a trusted jamboree system and it would be foolish to do anything else.
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Bears1 Kings2 Saints and GSE2 in AA. Rest to A.
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I’d go even further. Two teams in flight one. The rest in flight two. It seems kind of cold, but we have definitive proof from a trusted jamboree system and it would be foolish to do anything else.
If CAHA would simply implement a full 7 game NHL style playoff system, in 2 or 3 years from now we will have a damn good idea of which teams belong where. Sure it would take a while and cost quite a bit, but the final product would go a long way towards the ultimate goal of making sure that certain teams never have to suffer the indignity of beating another team soundly, and that's not even touching upon the value that the Flight system has in the fight against world hunger.
I also want to give a shout out to CAHA for their compassionate decision to schedule Empire for a 5th game, having no doubt heard that they had 2 injured players who will now miss a chunk of time with broken arms/wrists. ::)
At least this will go some ways towards rehabilitating the word "Jamboree" from its reputation across the rest of the hockey world, as something that involves kids from 4-7 playing cross ice games where they don't keep score. Our Jamboree keeps score, but they just don't publish it anywhere.
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Bantam AA Flight 1 will be a grind this season. Any Flight 1 team can be beaten on any given night, but here goes my list of teams that should be a lock for Flight 1, in no particular order.
GSE2
OCHC1
Saints1
Wave1
Bears1
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Gotta throw in the Kings and Ducks. They need to save face with the clientele. Sparring teams.
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Both king teams should be in flight 1! They were amazing
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Both king teams should be in flight 1! They were amazing
Not sure about amazing, but yes, both teams could be Flight 1 and if not, they would be top dogs in Flight 2.
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Bantam AA Flight 1 will be a grind this season. Any Flight 1 team can be beaten on any given night, but here goes my list of teams that should be a lock for Flight 1, in no particular order.
GSE2
OCHC1
Saints1
Wave1
Bears1
Agree with your top 5. All looked strong from the games I saw.
Valencia looked good - albeit from only 5 minutes I caught of their game vs Kings-1. I'd say Kings-2 is stronger than Kings-1. We'll see how the chips fall...
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Bantam AA Flight 1 will be a grind this season. Any Flight 1 team can be beaten on any given night, but here goes my list of teams that should be a lock for Flight 1, in no particular order.
GSE2
OCHC1
Saints1
Wave1
Bears1
I would agree with that list, although I will admit that I didn't see much of OCHC1 other than the Bears1 game where they struggled to get the puck.
I am curious how the Ducks1 or the Gulls did. I didn't see results for either team, or manage to see them play.
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Flight 2 ( in no particular order )
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[/size]Gulls 1
[/size]Gulls 2 * - drop to bantam A
Kings 1
Saints 2
Valencia
Ducks 1
Ducks 2
Wave 2 * - drop to bantam A
Empire * - will win flight 2
OC 2
Reign * - drop to bantam A
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Flight 1 ( in no particular order )
Oc 1
Saints 1
Bears 1
GSE 2
GSE 1 * - political pick
Wave 1
Sharks 1 * - political pick
Bears 2 * - huge potential
Kings 2 * - huge potential
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Good point, Smart. Can't forget the political picks.
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Kings1 is a flight 1 team. So is Kings2
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Got bias? 8)
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That has to be a parody account, right?
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Kings1 lost to the best team WW by 1 goal!
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Kings1 is a flight 1 team. So is Kings2
Cangrsts on you kid not going ape-shit this weekend.
Heard he actually looked pretty good
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Kings1 lost to the best team WW by 1 goal!
What was the score of the Wave1 vs Kings1 game?
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Kings1 is a flight 1 team. So is Kings2
Cangrsts on you kid not going ape-shit this weekend.
Heard he actually looked pretty good
......Excluding hand shake line.
I stand corrected.
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You lost me at kid going ape shit? Kings1 battled WW and almost won.
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You lost me at kid going ape shit? Kings1 battled WW and almost won.
Must have been a great game.
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Flight 2 ( in no particular order )
Gulls 1
Gulls 2 * - drop to bantam A
Hard to take you very seriously when you aren't even clear which teams exist. There is no Gulls 2 in AA. Talked to a Gulls parent about last year's '05 team and apparently the team lost a lot of players to other teams, so they decided to go A.
How do you figure GSE1 gets into Flight1? What results showed they belong?
Your assessment of the Flyers seems to be based on nothing. They are a hybrid team that literally hadn't even played a scrimmage and they played 4 strong games which bodes well for the potential of the team. They played both JK's lost 3-2 to Kings2 in close game that could easily have gone either way, and beat Kings1 4-3. And for the record, your "huge potential" Bears2 team lost to the JK2 1-0.
I think we all know that these are locks:
Bears1
GSE(2)
Saints1
WW
OCHC1
From the next group, you don't have any clearly dominant teams but in the mix are:
-Kings1
-Kings2
-Sharks
-Flyers
-Bears2
I don't have all the information required to say that no other teams belong in this group, but these 5 are all in the same general area in terms of the fact that they played in and out of the Flight1 assumed rankings, had close games vs each other, and will probably continue to play close games.
-GSE1? (Maybe, but have no evidence they aren't another majority '05 team, better served in Flight2. Who did GSE1 beat or tie, or even play close that validates your thoughts?)
-Ducks1[size=78%]? [/size](Don't have the results to tell.)
This can go a lot of ways, based on the numbers. If they go with 10 there is far less chance of a screwup. If they go with 8, there will likely be multiple screwups.
I think if they go with 10, and based what I saw, and the head to head results I'm aware of, it should be:
-Sharks
-Flyers
-Kings1
-Kings2
-Bears2
If they only go with 8, then it should be Sharks, Flyers, Kings2 (Which would be a travesty given that Kings1 belong in Flight1 from their results and schedule)
If 9 Sharks, Flyers, Kings1 & 2
Of course, this system, which I don't like and don't agree with will take away opportunities from a lot of teams that might be able to compete with the Middle echelon Flight1 teams including Reign, Empire, Ducks1 and Gulls1.
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Flight 2 ( in no particular order )
Gulls 1
Gulls 2 * - drop to bantam A
Kings 1
Saints 2
Valencia
Ducks 1
Ducks 2
Wave 2 * - drop to bantam A
Empire * - will win flight 2
OC 2
Reign * - drop to bantam A
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Flight 1 ( in no particular order )
Oc 1
Saints 1
Bears 1
GSE 2
GSE 1 * - political pick
Wave 1
Sharks 1 * - political pick
Bears 2 * - huge potential
Kings 2 * - huge potential
Hmm. OC 2 lost to the Jr. Reign so shouldn’t OC 2 drop to A too? Wave 2 only lost 2 to 1 to OC 2 and 2 to 0 to saints 2. So to be fair drop saints 2 to A too. I love how everyone has their opinion but in reality it’s up to CAHA. Hopefully they realize the potential in all of these teams and let them remain in flight 2.
Comparative scores are often not a good guide to competitiveness. Saints 2 about 2 weeks ago in a full scrimmage beat Wave 2 by 8 to 1 and out shot them 54-5. It was more lopsided than the data suggests. Saints 2 perhaps took Wave 2 for granted at the Jamboree or Wave 2 is improving and will soon win Tier 1. OC2 should also be considered a candidate for BN A. Ironically, both Wave 2 and OC2 have excellent coaches but not the talent along with several other teams including Reign and Gulls 2.
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Who are the gulls 2. I didn’t see them all weekend
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You lost me at kid going ape shit? Kings1 battled WW and almost won.
I know... but you're so excited and have 0/-22 Face Wash!
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Flight 2 ( in no particular order )
Gulls 1
Gulls 2 * - drop to bantam A
Kings 1
Saints 2
Valencia
Ducks 1
Ducks 2
Wave 2 * - drop to bantam A
Empire * - will win flight 2
OC 2
Reign * - drop to bantam A
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Flight 1 ( in no particular order )
Oc 1
Saints 1
Bears 1
GSE 2
GSE 1 * - political pick
Wave 1
Sharks 1 * - political pick
Bears 2 * - huge potential
Kings 2 * - huge potential
Hmm. OC 2 lost to the Jr. Reign so shouldn’t OC 2 drop to A too? Wave 2 only lost 2 to 1 to OC 2 and 2 to 0 to saints 2. So to be fair drop saints 2 to A too. I love how everyone has their opinion but in reality it’s up to CAHA. Hopefully they realize the potential in all of these teams and let them remain in flight 2.
Comparative scores are often not a good guide to competitiveness. Saints 2 about 2 weeks ago in a full scrimmage beat Wave 2 by 8 to 1 and out shot them 54-5. It was more lopsided than the data suggests. Saints 2 perhaps took Wave 2 for granted at the Jamboree or Wave 2 is improving and will soon win Tier 1. OC2 should also be considered a candidate for BN A. Ironically, both Wave 2 and OC2 have excellent coaches but not the talent along with several other teams including Reign and Gulls 2.
Tell us how you really feel!
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For the lower Flight2 teams the question is this: why stay in AA?
Flight2 has been designed to be a punishment, not an opportunity. The system is clearly set up to discourage and demean its participants. All Flight2 offers a team is the opportunity to have a marginally better set of teams to play against,. If you are starting towards the bottom of Flight2, even if you build and finish strong, it is highly unlikely you will come in first place. There are no longer going to be Flight2 playoffs. So you get a lot of meaningless games between SCAHA and playing out your CAHA string, and you'll travel to Norcal so that you can play most likely, one Norcal team. Why?
I know if I was in that predicament, I'd opt to play Bantam A where the team will enter the season as a top contender, can have team goals within their own league, and make it to playoffs and a state championship tournament. The CAHA flight system actively discourages all flight2 teams that build and improve versus their competition via development and quality coaching. They don't want teams stretching, and the end result is that it's now strategically better to sandbag.
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I will go back to my argument that most flight 2 teams with be minor year teams. It’s better to stay flight 2 and develop and prepare for your competition for your major year. It’s not fun to sandbag and nobody wins in that situation.
This season, that is not likely to be the case, at least in Bantam AA. There will be a number of 04 teams in Flight2. I also think it's providing a justification for the system, when that justification was not designed nor intended. If Flights were AA Major and AA Minor, that would be fine with me. As such they should have playoffs just as AAA Major/Minor do.
If you are a birth year team AND you have a legitimate shot at winning Flight2, then I guess there is that to work towards. Overall, its sucky even if you win Flight2 and win the play in game. All that says is that you got screwed out of playing in Flight1 where you should have all season long, and your reward is to play the #1 Flight1 team in your first playoff game. You never get back what you should have enjoyed, which is the higher level of competition.
But to be clear, I'm talking about teams that will likely come in towards the bottom of Flight2. The teams that seem to be happy with the tradeoff are in general the younger teams who are pushing the envelope of competition, and expect to stay together perhaps with the same coach for a few seasons.
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Wada Wave 2
Kings(1) 1 Final score
Kings1 is a solid choice for flight 1.
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WW did not play Kings 1 during the Jamboree. WW played Kings 2, and won 2 to 0.
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WW did not play Kings 1 during the Jamboree. WW played Kings 2, and won 2 to 0.
WW1 should be a sure thing for tier 1 but the Kings 2 are a smaller, young teams with lots of promise. Maybe it was a test if they could compete with the tier 1 teams.
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All the teams should be put into flight 1 and let them fight it out. As we have all stated many times this whole flighting system SUCKS!!
One of the biggest problems with this fighting system is that it benefits teams that have had a core group together for 2-3 years. Newly formed teams simply do not have enough time to get any kind of cohesion or plays in place. I heard several stories like "we did really well considering we only had 4-5 practices". Teams were literally relying on individual player talent as there was no team work in place because, how could there be? There will be really good development coaches that are pigeonholed into flight 2 and even though they develop a team that becomes a good team, they have no chance of going anywhere. If they want to keep this flight system the flight 2 teams need more of a chance to play for something other than pride.
CAHA get your head out of your a$$!
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WW did not play Kings 1 during the Jamboree. WW played Kings 2, and won 2 to 0.
SHIT !
Just humor k4l.
He's in a fragile state
F-R-A-G-I-L-E.......Must be Italian....
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All the teams should be put into flight 1 and let them fight it out. As we have all stated many times this whole flighting system SUCKS!!
One of the biggest problems with this fighting system is that it benefits teams that have had a core group together for 2-3 years. Newly formed teams simply do not have enough time to get any kind of cohesion or plays in place.
Not trying to play devil's advocate, but as much as we dislike the flight system, I thought for the most part CAHA got it right last year...
Last year, WW and Saints were the two top teams in Flight 2, with Saints being the official champion and WW with the second best record in Flight 2 (yes they did lose to Mariners in the 'Flight 2 Playoff')... However, as decent as these two teams were, they were unable to beat any Flight 1 teams. So in a way, CAHA did get it right by grouping the perhaps more 03 heavy teams in Flight 1 and the younger teams in Flight 2...
Regarding the flight system benefiting teams with a core group together for 2-3 yrs, well in theory it should be true, but which team(s) in Flight 1 has a core group with a 2-3 yrs history?
Bears1 - Pretty much a brand new group with 5 or 6 AAA kids + AA kids from elsewhere + a few kids from A moving up
OC1 - more than half are either new to this group or did not play with OC last yr + a new coach
Saints1 - Not too familiar with this group but I didn't recognize more than half of them
GSE2 - can't say I know too much about their roster, but perhaps they've been together awhile? Idk...
WW - core has been together for many yrs but have at least 6 new players this season
All I'm saying is that there are so much off-season movement that it's rare to see a group hanging on to their true core for more than a few yrs...
Guess we could go back to how things were, or follow 16AA, and go with a no-flight system, but I'm sure we will bitch about teams losing/winning by 10+ goals and how it's a waste of time for the so-called better teams to sandbag and for the lesser teams, not being able to play competitive games...
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All the teams should be put into flight 1 and let them fight it out. As we have all stated many times this whole flighting system SUCKS!!
One of the biggest problems with this fighting system is that it benefits teams that have had a core group together for 2-3 years. Newly formed teams simply do not have enough time to get any kind of cohesion or plays in place.
Guess we could go back to how things were, or follow 16AA, and go with a no-flight system, but I'm sure we will bitch about teams losing/winning by 10+ goals and how it's a waste of time for the so-called better teams to sandbag and for the lesser teams, not being able to play competitive games...
That is what got us in this situation in the first place. A small group of people raised enough hell that they thought they needed to do something. As always anytime a politician (AKA CAHA BOD) tries to fix a problem they make it worse. The flighting system and limiting AAA needs to stop. Let the free market figure everything out. What they are doing is wrong as evident in the number players leaving the state to play elsewhere.
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Yes, the limited AAA clubs seem to be a glaring mistake which perpetuated the mass exodus of kids leaving CA. However, CAHA's attempt to create a flight system to create better competition can't be said as a complete failure as evidenced by last yr's results in Bantam AA...
The problem is that there will always be someone bitching about something. If only teams would have the good sense of self evaluation and declaring their teams in the appropriate level, we wouldn't be bitching about this clusterf*ck today...
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Seriously though, Kings1 is Flight 1. Kings2 is a lock.
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Seriously though, Kings1 is Flight 1. Kings2 is a lock.
Kings 2 were well coached and moved the puck extremely well. They obviously practiced over the summer.
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The Flight system works as it should. Basically creates a new division between AA and A, Flight 2 is basically AA-B. The only ones that bitch are the teams that think they should be Flight 1. With 10 teams in Flight 1, you get to play everyone twice during CAHA weekends. Our boys don't want to play the Flight 2 teams, the same way that the Flight 2 teams don't want to play 14U A teams.
The thing they need to fix is the Jamboree. Have it on an off weekend, not on Labor Day when teams would rather be playing a tournament to get ready for the season. Maybe start it off locally so teams don't have to travel, and then have your bubble teams play another weekend, if they actually want the chance to play up to Filght 1.
As for AAA, not one of the top 5 Flight teams would move their teams to AAA, but I'm sure there are some Flight 2 teams that think they are good enough, and of course the Reign would have their AAA team.
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The Flight system works as it should. Basically creates a new division between AA and A, Flight 2 is basically AA-B. The only ones that bitch are the teams that think they should be Flight 1. With 10 teams in Flight 1, you get to play everyone twice during CAHA weekends. Our boys don't want to play the Flight 2 teams, the same way that the Flight 2 teams don't want to play 14U A teams.
The thing they need to fix is the Jamboree. Have it on an off weekend, not on Labor Day when teams would rather be playing a tournament to get ready for the season. Maybe start it off locally so teams don't have to travel, and then have your bubble teams play another weekend, if they actually want the chance to play up to Filght 1.
As for AAA, not one of the top 5 Flight teams would move their teams to AAA, but I'm sure there are some Flight 2 teams that think they are good enough, and of course the Reign would have their AAA team.
This does not stop flight 1 playing flight 2 in exhibition games. All the issues of not playing a lower level team does not make any since they still have to play each other. They do not play in games that count which if you are a top flight 1 team why would you care if you blow someone out in a CAHA weekend versus a SCAHA weekend.
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can someone please post scores of all the jamboree games so we can further speculate flight status of each team?
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The Flight system works as it should. Basically creates a new division between AA and A, Flight 2 is basically AA-B. The only ones that bitch are the teams that think they should be Flight 1. With 10 teams in Flight 1, you get to play everyone twice during CAHA weekends. Our boys don't want to play the Flight 2 teams, the same way that the Flight 2 teams don't want to play 14U A teams.
The thing they need to fix is the Jamboree. Have it on an off weekend, not on Labor Day when teams would rather be playing a tournament to get ready for the season. Maybe start it off locally so teams don't have to travel, and then have your bubble teams play another weekend, if they actually want the chance to play up to Filght 1.
As for AAA, not one of the top 5 Flight teams would move their teams to AAA, but I'm sure there are some Flight 2 teams that think they are good enough, and of course the Reign would have their AAA team.
This does not stop flight 1 playing flight 2 in exhibition games. All the issues of not playing a lower level team does not make any since they still have to play each other. They do not play in games that count which if you are a top flight 1 team why would you care if you blow someone out in a CAHA weekend versus a SCAHA weekend.
This started because the norcal teams were complaining that they had to come down to riverside or KHS to play the reign or other crappy teams and win by 20.
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As for AAA, not one of the top 5 Flight teams would move their teams to AAA,
Why would they not want to be in AAA ?
Reasons could be or am I missing something.
Not strong enough for AAA ( Would be not fun for current AAA teams)
Cost
1st place is more important then close games or losing ?
Just asking - Parents do not take it personal ( some should switch to decaf )
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I believe if you could prevent some of these players from leaving, there would be enough players to have at least 2-3 more top 50 AAA teams nationally. As you look past bantam at high school options or 16AA there are very limited choices for a lot of kids that want to keep playing seriously AND for families that want to continue to support their dream.
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As for AAA, not one of the top 5 Flight teams would move their teams to AAA,
Why would they not want to be in AAA ?
Reasons could be or am I missing something.
Not strong enough for AAA ( Would be not fun for current AAA teams)
Cost
1st place is more important then close games or losing ?
Just asking - Parents do not take it personal ( some should switch to decaf )
1. School
2. Cost
3. Not strong enough for AAA
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As for AAA, not one of the top 5 Flight teams would move their teams to AAA,
Why would they not want to be in AAA ?
Reasons could be or am I missing something.
Not strong enough for AAA ( Would be not fun for current AAA teams)
Cost
1st place is more important then close games or losing ?
Just asking - Parents do not take it personal ( some should switch to decaf )
Besides school, cost and ability, the biggest drawback is that they aren’t allowed to due to rules. I have a hard time believing that if they were allowed to, one or two of those teams wouldn’t declare AAA.
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I know for a FACT kings1 would go AAA if they could. They have major upside and potential.
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The Kings already have TWO AAA teams... not sure they need a 3rd. I think the discussion was more about non-Kings/Ducks/Sharks clubs being given the opportunity to play AAA... with the overall goal to retain more kids and allow for more AAA options in Cali. As is, either you play for those three big clubs or you play AA or leave.
The Flight system also works decently. It was evident from the puck drop this weekend which teams shouldn't be there or should drop totally. Points to CAHA for at least recognizing that and trying to make traveling to games worthwhile.
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Even though the flight system is not going to please everyone, it is pretty close. The way to fix the problem is simple, either have the coaches appropriately choose their division and not force A kids into AA when the kids would be better served in A, or allow CAHA the right to place teams where they think they should go. CAHA would have the ability to move teams up or down. I think that would eliminate those coaches who think their team is better than it really is and fixes the coaches who try to sandbag to look good.
Although I am not an advocate of Flight 2, I think paying AA prices for the chance to play for nothing isn’t appropriate. If Flight 2 were to play A, those teams would be able to play for playoffs and a title, while paying A prices.
The answer is somewhere in between.
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I know for a FACT kings1 would go AAA if they could. They have major upside and potential.
I couldn't decide if this was a parody account or not. ;D Well trolled.
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K4Life is obviously worried about his team. He/she keeps trying to sell it. But no one is listening.
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Nowhearthis obviously your listening since you comment on my post. Don’t be a smart azz. Kings1 is flight1 and will be challenging for top spot.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I’ve noticed a lot of jealousy in here. I understand that many of you want your kids playing at TSC. Best coaches, best ice and you even get to see real NHL players walking around. How great is that!?
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I’ve noticed a lot of jealousy in here. I understand that many of you want your kids playing at TSC. Best coaches, best ice and you even get to see real NHL players walking around. How great is that!?
sounds overpriced
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I’ve noticed a lot of jealousy in here. I understand that many of you want your kids playing at TSC. Best coaches, best ice and you even get to see real NHL players walking around. How great is that!?
sounds overpriced
Yep
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If the kings1 aren’t in flight 1 then the caha fix is on.
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If the kings1 aren’t in flight 1 then the caha fix is on.
How did Kings1 do over Jamboree weekend?
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If the kings1 aren’t in flight 1 then the caha fix is on.
If there were any justice they'd be playing AAA.
Wonder what the score of the Kings1 AA vs 05 Kings AAA scrimmage was?
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Gee whiz, I thought this group was more internet Savvy than this. K4L is trolling the board.
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How would K4L know, he doesn’t even know what teams the Kings played. He was too busy watching the one man Flyer team play.
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How would K4L know, he doesn’t even know what teams the Kings played. He was too busy watching the one man Flyer team play.
It's fine to call out someone for trolling if you think you have cause. But it's not ok to denigrate an entire team of kids in the process. Congrats on being a huge douche.
Holy crap I think I might of gotten trolled ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I am A KING FOR LIFE! I’m a TSC rink rat. I love my Kings1 and I’m telling you they are flight1! Wtf is a troll? I’m only posting on here because we get no respect! The Kings2 is not better then kings1
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I am A KING FOR LIFE! I’m a TSC rink rat. I love my Kings1 and I’m telling you they are flight1! Wtf is a troll? I’m only posting on here because we get no respect! The Kings2 is not better then kings1
Umm... guessing you get no respect because 7 teams in AA are better than you and AAA teams wouldn't even waste their time. :o
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As a parent on the Kings1 team, I can assure you that the troll presenting him/herself as a parent on the team and posting this nonsense is absolutely not true. The comments are made at the expense of a group of kids and that is really not cool. The teams at the jamboree all seemed to play their hearts out and did what they could to support their team. But please, if you are not already, ignore this poor person which will hopefully lead them to stop their rants and find another board to make nonsense comments upon. Hope all of you have a wonderful hockey season.
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I am A KING FOR LIFE! I’m a TSC rink rat. I love my Kings1 and I’m telling you they are flight1! Wtf is a troll? I’m only posting on here because we get no respect! The Kings2 is not better then kings1
Tommy The Bomber is soon going to file a copyright infringement case against you.
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Yes JACKoffBENDER your absolutely right. That’s why we beat 05 AAA kings a couple weeks ago.
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Beat them at what? Fortnite?
In the game of hockey, your beloved AA1 lost 10-1 to 05AAA on 8/25. Nice try, though.
And somewhere a bridge is missing their troll.
FREE TIP OF THE DAY: When using “your†in a sentence, say the sentence outloud, and if you can replace it with “you are,†then the proper word is “you’re.†:)
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JackOFFbender you’re absolutely right.
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Nice reply when you can't back up statements with facts, then use insults.
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King4LOSER is learning!! You’re welcome for this Helen Keller moment!!
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Outstanding work everyone. This stuff is hilarious!!!!!!
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JackBenDOVERjakesdad why are you talking trash? I never said anything derogatory toward you? Sometimes I wonder if there are really six people on here with 25 different accounts.
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Uh... look at your posts... we were talking hockey, you started calling us names first. But the victim card suits you, and at Flight 1, you’ll be playing it all year. Best of luck.
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And there he goes again.
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You both are idiots. Living vicariously through your kids. You guys were losers in high school and are losers today. Just Jealous you cant afford to play at TSC. Morons.
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HAHAHA!! That didn’t take long! Don’t worry about us, buttercup... worry about the other team in your building first. Beat them and then we’ll talk. :-*
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And again. But not once have I insulted him. Beginning to wonder if he is a parent or kid by his remarks and reactions. Not saying that he is though.
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Saints 1
WW 0
JD2 7
JF 0
Might be why K4L is grumpy
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Grumpy? We have a bye this week.
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Was just informed who Trans is. Another jealous parent who can’t afford TSC and plays for the East LA Wave team. Too bad their best player left for the ducks and the other took off to Canada.
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Was just informed who Trans is. Another jealous parent who can’t afford TSC and plays for the East LA Wave team. Too bad their best player left for the ducks and the other took off to Canada.
I could buy you.
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Bwaahaaaaa. Yeah riiiight. Buttercup.
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Was just informed who Trans is. Another jealous parent who can’t afford TSC and plays for the East LA Wave team. Too bad their best player left for the ducks and the other took off to Canada.
Not sure if Trans is a jealous parent but “if†you have sufficient money then maybe just maybe...you should try buying a life so that you don’t spend all your time and energy on these boards.
Hope the rest of you fellow hockey parents had a great hockey filled weekend.
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I only have like 20 posts?
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29 to ur 88
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Misread ur post A1. Trans has over 800 posts But he’s RICH! He might buy you too. Watch out.
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Bwaahaaaaa. Yeah riiiight. Buttercup.
Such a great come back from such a witty/highly educated guy.
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29 to ur 88
Yeah 29 in less than a month....whatever, I’m not here to entertain your stupidity!
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Was just informed who Trans is. Another jealous parent who can’t afford TSC and plays for the East LA Wave team. Too bad their best player left for the ducks and the other took off to Canada.
Not sure if Trans is a jealous parent but “if†you have sufficient money then maybe just maybe...you should try buying a life so that you don’t spend all your time and energy on these boards.
Hope the rest of you fellow hockey parents had a great hockey filled weekend.
We are ALL here for the entertainment.
:)
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Yes Trans. You tell him buddy
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Was just informed who Trans is. Another jealous parent who can’t afford TSC and plays for the East LA Wave team. Too bad their best player left for the ducks and the other took off to Canada.
Not sure if Trans is a jealous parent but “if†you have sufficient money then maybe just maybe...you should try buying a life so that you don’t spend all your time and energy on these boards.
Hope the rest of you fellow hockey parents had a great hockey filled weekend.
We are ALL here for the entertainment.
:)
My comment was not against you Trans...KingOfIdiots seems to be in some type of useless rant. I enjoy your posts Trans.
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A1 hockey fan. Your stupid
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A1 your stupid. A1 Azzzhole. lol lol. Chump
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Was just informed who Trans is. Another jealous parent who can’t afford TSC and plays for the East LA Wave team. Too bad their best player left for the ducks and the other took off to Canada.
Not sure if Trans is a jealous parent but “if†you have sufficient money then maybe just maybe...you should try buying a life so that you don’t spend all your time and energy on these boards.
Hope the rest of you fellow hockey parents had a great hockey filled weekend.
We are ALL here for the entertainment.
:)
My comment was not against you Trans...KingOfIdiots seems to be in some type of useless rant. I enjoy your posts Trans.
:-* :-* :-*
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A1 hockey fan. Your stupid
Didn’t someone give you a lesson on how to differentiate between “your†and “you’reâ€
Go back and review.
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Omg. The English teacher strikes again.
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-59 looks like A1’s checkbook balance. Another parent jealous of TSC.
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Wave2 lost to Bears this morning 22-1
Stay classy Burbank. The Saints coming for you.
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Flyers looking for a goalie??? coincidence?
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My list of Flight 1 (in no particular order):
Saints1
Bears1
Wave1
OCHC1
GSE2
Kings2
Bears2
GSE1
Sharks
My list of Flight 2 (In no particular order):
Kings1
Ducks2
Ducks1
Saints2
Flyers
Empire
Gulls
Reign
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You got wrong Kings team buddy.
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I miss Westside's insightful commentary. Too bad he was banned. I hope he returns under a different screen name.
(I see Flyers are looking for a new goalie already. He might be interested!)
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Kings1 flight 1 all day. They got that powerful new left winger who’s tearing it up. Love my kings. If your lucky you cant get pictures takin with the pros at TSC. Stop being jealous. Jr Flyers? Must have me confused. Don’t most of their local players drive south to be at TSC?
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I hear some will travel ANYWHERE to chase that extra A. Here at Kings1 we don’t have that issue. We are flight1 AA and should be considered AAA in holiday tournaments.
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Kings1 flight 1 all day. They got that powerful new left winger who’s tearing it up. Love my kings. If your lucky you cant get pictures takin with the pros at TSC. Stop being jealous. Jr Flyers? Must have me confused. Don’t most of their local players drive south to be at TSC?
Ah so you ARE back. Not at the top of your game though.
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You lost me there strawman.
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You lost me there strawman.
I know. You've lost a step.
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AA Team should be careful about going to tournaments that are AAA. You need to go your homework first. Parents dont like spending 2k and watching a 0-11 games.
Maybe if there is AAA teams coming in to play in a Bantam AAA tournament set up a ex game first to see where you fall. Do as you wish. But flying to Toronto or Boston to play AAA teams will not end well. Not saying it cant be done, but try a warm up first before spending all the money to find out something you could have found out for almost nothing.
Try a ex game with AAA Phx, Dallas or Colorado first. If you win , then try.If its ugly then you know.
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My list of Flight 1 (in no particular order):
Saints1
Bears1
Wave1
OCHC1
GSE2
Kings2
Bears2
GSE1
Sharks
My list of Flight 2 (In no particular order):
Kings1
Ducks2
Ducks1
Saints2
Flyers
Empire
Gulls
Reign
Hello everybody. New to the board here, but reading through it looks like you all are a lively bunch. I noticed OC2 is not on your list and hear that they may be dropping. Can anyone confirm? Also, I know Bears 1 is shaping up to be the team to beat, but Bears 2 in flight one might be a long shot. They played Reign over weekend and only beat them 1-0 according to the SCAHA site.
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AA Team should be careful about going to tournaments that are AAA. You need to go your homework first. Parents dont like spending 2k and watching a 0-11 games.
Maybe if there is AAA teams coming in to play in a Bantam AAA tournament set up a ex game first to see where you fall. Do as you wish. But flying to Toronto or Boston to play AAA teams will not end well. Not saying it cant be done, but try a warm up first before spending all the money to find out something you could have found out for almost nothing.
Try a ex game with AAA Phx, Dallas or Colorado first. If you win , then try.If its ugly then you know.
WHAT?! How dare you blasphemy King4life's team!! They'll go to every AAA tournament and WIN!!
(even though they played one Bantam MINOR AAA team and lost 10-1...) :o
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AA Team should be careful about going to tournaments that are AAA. You need to go your homework first. Parents dont like spending 2k and watching a 0-11 games.
Maybe if there is AAA teams coming in to play in a Bantam AAA tournament set up a ex game first to see where you fall. Do as you wish. But flying to Toronto or Boston to play AAA teams will not end well. Not saying it cant be done, but try a warm up first before spending all the money to find out something you could have found out for almost nothing.
Try a ex game with AAA Phx, Dallas or Colorado first. If you win , then try.If its ugly then you know.
Uh-oh more facts to confuse the truth.
WHAT?! How dare you blasphemy King4life's team!! They'll go to every AAA tournament and WIN!!
(even though they played one Bantam MINOR AAA team and lost 10-1...) :o
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Where you play or what Tier to League you play in, does not matter one bit. Watching you kids play and having you in the stands is all that matters. ( and not making a scene)
You all will learn this when the time comes when he or she hangs up their skates or moves away. It will happen sooner then you think.
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Where you play or what Tier to League you play in, does not matter one bit. Watching you kids play and having you in the stands is all that matters. ( and not making a scene)
You all will learn this when the time comes when he or she hangs up their skates or moves away. It will happen sooner then you think.
Hear Hear! At the end of the day this is supposed to be fun.
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Where you play or what Tier to League you play in, does not matter one bit. Watching you kids play and having you in the stands is all that matters. ( and not making a scene)
You all will learn this when the time comes when he or she hangs up their skates or moves away. It will happen sooner then you think.
Wisest words I've read on Calhockey in a long time.
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It got very quiet......did Westside eeerrrrr k4l go into hibernation ?
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I think someone lost their cell phone privileges. All those posts made a lot more sense through a 14-year old filter.
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Timeout for Westside.
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Anyone what happened in the Bears 1 vs Kings 04 AAA scrimmage? There is so much chatter that the Bears should be playing AAA I thought I’d might be a goo measuring stick
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Anyone what happened in the Bears 1 vs Kings 04 AAA scrimmage? There is so much chatter that the Bears should be playing AAA I thought I’d might be a goo measuring stick
Lost 8-3 to Kings AAA. Lost 6-1 to Ducks AAA today. Hard-working AA team though and very well-coached.
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No one I know is saying they should be a AAA team. The 03 group was an exception. This group is still very good, and could beat some AAA teams if they travel, but not like last year's team. They were #1 in the country for a reason.
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I saw them 1at hand 4 times last year, special team... my son's team beating them once was the bright spot to our season.
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Thanks for the info on the AA/AAA scrimmages. The top couple of AA teams are very good. It is what it is, but I think unlike last year it would have been more important for teams 7,8 & 9 to play 10,11 & 12 instead of the current set up[size=78%]. [/size]
I am not against flights at bantam but I thought they could have gone with just one this year.
We'll see what happens...
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Agree with Hockey05. 2-3 teams should be dropped to Bantam A and there should be one division.
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they probably should have dropped all teams in flight 2
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And most in flight one. Too much dead weight. Choose two teams that belong and send the rest down.
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they probably should have dropped all teams in flight 2
Dumb.
It took all of a week to have Flight1 teams tied by or narrowly beating flight2 teams by a goal. Seems like there are 4-5 teams at the top of Flight1 that will be in a dogfight, and then the rest of the teams where there's not a huge amount of separation from 6-14.
When you have a Flight1 team play a Flight2 team they are pressuring to drop, and the Flight1 team pulls out a 1-0 victory in the last minute of the game, it's not too hard to see that the jamboree evaluations and whatever bullshit that came afterwards, leave a lot to be desired. Then we have the Flight1 Kings2 with a 1-1 tie vs. the Flight2 JD1 in a game where the shots were 20-18. :-[
At least the whole charade is over with and the season is finally underway.
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I see 14AA flight I/II selection in the SCAHA schedule menu. Any chance they are going to "flight" the SCAHA exhibition games as well?
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I see 14AA flight I/II selection in the SCAHA schedule menu. Any chance they are going to "flight" the SCAHA exhibition games as well?
No. CAHA has nothing to do with SCAHA. The SCAHA games are essentially all scrimmages/exhibitions as they have no bearing on standings or playoffs. Frequently the scores don't even get posted to the SCAHA site half the time. The stats do go towards the player's overall totals AFAIK. It's also mandatory that teams play all the games, or face sanctions.
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The SCAHA games count toward your national ranking.
Good point. But so does any reported score between teams including scrimmages, which some people might not realize are part of a team's official record.
Of course the national ranking for many teams is not especially relevant unless you have a full birth year team which many teams in AA do not.
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I see 14AA flight I/II selection in the SCAHA schedule menu. Any chance they are going to "flight" the SCAHA exhibition games as well?
No. CAHA has nothing to do with SCAHA. The SCAHA games are essentially all scrimmages/exhibitions as they have no bearing on standings or playoffs. Frequently the scores don't even get posted to the SCAHA site half the time. The stats do go towards the player's overall totals AFAIK. It's also mandatory that teams play all the games, or face sanctions.
I understand all that. I just noticed a pull down in the SCAHA schedule that has 14AA flight 1 and another 14AA flight 2. The first 3/4 weeks are listed under 14AA combined. That wasn't there last year. I just was wondering if something changed on the exhibition scheduling.
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I noticed the same thing on scaha site schedule pull downs this year. Made me wonder if they're trying to do Flight v Flight in an attempt to legitimize the "Flight 2 scaha playoffs." There's no legitimacy to that, so I hope that's not the case. In scaha games, teams should play everyone. I also agree this year there shouldn't be flighting at all. They're screwing over several teams in the process and, if they're carrying that stupidity into the scaha exhibition games, that's just pathetic and another excuse to leave CA. There's like 3-4 top teams, and a couple low level teams. As for the rest, any given day. Dump the flighting. It's ridiculous and favors teams that have been together. If it was a major/minor due to size split, that would make sense. Puberty is a game changer, so this division is pivotal. But when multiple 05 year teams make flight 1, the stupidity/politics have taken over. Dump the flights.
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Stop.... stop.... it's already dead..... :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Teemu isn’t your kid a 16...why even weigh in here.
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If we all stop stating that we believe the flight system is stupid then, they will continue believing it is good. If you do not like it complain to anyone that will listen as that is how it got implemented in the first place.
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There are definitely 4 really strong teams in flight 1 but when teams 5 thru 15 are fairly even, why have flights? The best coaches will develop their players. Some teams will improve and others won't. Its called hockey! There are lopsided games at every level of hockey... Did Buffalo beat some top teams within their 25 wins last season??...yes they did.. There are definitely teams that have no business playing AA .......its about the $$$. CAHA should make a statement and send these teams to Bantam A and have one Bantam AA Flight. There are 2 teams in remaining in flight two who are worse or equally as bad as Wave 2....if one goes they should all go! CAHA...take a closer look at this.
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Teemu isn’t your kid a 16...why even weigh in here.
Because the midget thread is dead and this is the only place to get my entertainment. 😉
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1st picks of the season.....
Jr Gulls vs Saints 1 Saints by 7
Jr Reign Bears 1 Bennys by 1
Just kidding, Da Bears by a lot (BF STILL OWES ME $$)
OC2 vs Bears 2 Bears 2 by 5
JK 2 VS JD2 JK 2 by 2
Jk1 vs WW WW by 4
Half Offs vs Jr Flyers Half Offs by 5
Good luck everyone !!
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Jr. Gulls vs. Saints1 - 4
Jr. Reign vs. Bears1 - 6
OC2 vs. Bears2 - 7
JK2 vs. JD2 - 1
JK1 vs. WW - 4
OC1 vs. Jr. Flyers - 2
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OCHC1 vs Kings2 8-4
OCHC1 vs Flyers 8-1
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Any other scores from the weekend? Still missing scores from Bears1, Wave1 and Kings2 games?
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Kings2 beat Ducks 2 5-0
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Heard from a friend who's son plays on Chicago Young Americans 2005 AAA team that a San Diego Saints 2005 AA Team beat Colorado Thunderbirds 2005 AAA 3-2 in round robin and went on to lose super close game 5-4 to SJ Sharks 2005 AAA in Semi finals in CCM World Invite in Denver this past weekend. Said he watched game vs Sharks and said it could have gone either way......there were 12 teams(2005 birthyear) in the division and most were AAA apparently. Can anybody from SD confirm that this is the same team that will compete in flight two this year?
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Yes that is true and they are a good team with some good size. They are a complete 05 team. They beat the Thunderbirds while they were out-shot 2-1. Were impressive going 2-0 before losing to an 0-2 Ar Bobcats team. They are a tough, physical team.
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I believe Kings 1 lost to Wave 2-0
Heard this second hand
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Wow...good for the Saints 05's.....good to see CA teams performing well in tourneys like this one. Good for hockey in CA!
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Looks like they only lost 1 game in the "jamboree" too and it was only 1-0. Wonder why they were put in flight 2 then.
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Wait a second here Jake...are you questioning CAHA's professional scouting staff who do the jamboree evalutions?? How dare you!!!!!! ;D
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And how did you get the secret scores from the Jamboree?? :o
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On my hockey rankings they have the team's scores.
My bad for questioning the extreme professionalism of the CAHA evaluation process. ;D ::)
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For a minute there I thought you may be on the inside!! Was gonna ask you if any politics come in to play when selecting the flights or if teams are dropped!! Guess we will never know! :-X
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Wow good for Saints2 and Kings1 for being so competitive. I thought Wave1 would have covered the spread but apparently not. Good thing CAHA put both in Flight2 so that the Flight1 teams do not have to play them at CAHA weekends, until maybe playoffs.
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Yes that is true and they are a good team with some good size. They are a complete 05 team. They beat the Thunderbirds while they were out-shot 2-1. Were impressive going 2-0 before losing to an 0-2 Ar Bobcats team. They are a tough, physical team.
05 imo are a good/solid team. Kids are a little hot tempered and some parents are a little nutty, typical SD team, wanna goon it up, then scream ehen they get hit. If they can keep the crazys in check and keep the team together, they will do well next year. They just need to be patient, wait your turn, this is not squirts.
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Yeah people lose sight during the season of the fact that the objective is to get better and learn rather than winning and losing. Even though winning is more fun.
Now if I can just remember this...
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Never had issues with any Saints parents...good organization...their parents are actually pretty calm IMO! Maybe they need to drink more before the games!! Mix up the bloodies people! ;)
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Never had issues with any Saints parents...good organization...their parents are actually pretty calm IMO! Maybe they need to drink more before the games!! Mix up the bloodies people! ;)
You mean like calling a 14 year old kid "a piece of shit" just because hes bodying up a shorter 05?
Having "gypsy tat/pieced mom talking shit and threatening to run over and "take care" of a kid that was assessed a BS (saw video) knee/knee call.
Yea, would call that nutty
(Not all btw)
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A gypsy tat/pierced mom from SD? Sounds awesome! Thought they were only here in LA!! Will keep my eyes out at CAHA weekends! Stay classy San Diego!
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This weeks picks
SAINTS 2 VS EMPIRE SAINTS BY 3
Jr Gulls HALF OFFS HALF OFFS BY 5
JK1 VS BEARS 1 BEARS BY 10
JD1 WW WW BY 3
GOOD LUCK EVERYONE
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Saints vs. Empire
Jr. Gulls vs. OC1
JK1 vs. Bears1
JD1 vs. Wave1
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So the rest of the SCAHA season schedule is out and I guess they have flighted SCAHA games too. So why do these associations change their rules without first disclosing this before tryouts to the consumers?
Because they're CAHA and they know what you want and what you need.
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They flighted scaha games to protect the weak “Flight One†teams from having to play and lose to the “Flight Two†teams. This way CAHA doesn’t have to face the backlash of watching “Flight One†teams lose to “Flight Two†teams. Just when you thought California hockey couldn’t get any dumber. Tahoe Hockey Academy and East Coast teams should be sending flowers and candy to the geniuses that run California hockey. Let the flood gates of kids fleeing the system begin.
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So SCAHA is NOT having Flight 1 teams play Flight 2 teams? Bad enough that CAHA intervenes but SCAHA is now following suit? Its ludicrous. I feel really bad for the top Flight 2 teams....this season is going be torture. There are many teams in flight 2 that can beat many teams in flight 1 on any given day SO if CAHA was doing their job they would send weak teams to Bantam A and let the rest play. I have not talked to a single person outside of CA that has ever even heard of having two levels of AA.
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So we’ve gone from AAA minor teams being invited to be a part of tier II scaha, to not having scaha at all, to returning to it last year, to this year flighting it out and reducing the games.
Now every team plays the same 8 teams 3 times.
There is no rational argument for any of this BS.
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There are many teams in flight 2 that can beat many teams in flight 1 on any given day SO if CAHA was doing their job they would send weak teams to Bantam A and let the rest play.
They flighted scaha games to protect the weak “Flight One†teams from having to play and lose to the “Flight Two†teams. This way CAHA doesn’t have to face the backlash of watching “Flight One†teams lose to “Flight Two†teams. Just when you thought California hockey couldn’t get any dumber.
I have to disagree with Def Zone re the 'weak' Flight One teams needing to be protected vs Flight Two teams... I don't have an answer as to why SCAHA chose to flight their games, but definitely not because Flight One teams may lose to Flight Two teams 'on any given day'... Let's be real here. Out of the 7 Flight One SoCal teams, 4 of them are legit and without a doubt belong in the higher flight. The other 3 may be debatable.
Since Jamboree, those Flight One SoCal teams have a combined record of 15-0 vs Flight Two teams and have outscored Flight Two teams 102-9... And these are only the games I know of, there may be other scrimmages not reported... Not one single team from Flight Two has defeated any teams from Flight One, yet... All I'm saying is that numbers so far do not suggest Flight Two teams can beat upper flight teams on any given day. Not saying it won't happen, but flighted games are now going to be actually competitive, and teams in both flights are now in a dogfight to challenge for supremacy.
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I think it was pretty clear he was not talking about the top Flight1 teams. It's also clear, that you struggle with basic math or an understanding of the Flights. There are 9 teams in each Flight. It will be obvious after the 2nd CAHA weekend which teams are going to struggle, but if we assume your "top 4" then there may be as many as 5 Flight1 teams that can be beat or tied by a Flight2 team on any given day. These are the teams that he was referring to.
The other thing I really love, is that Flight2 gets to play a SCAHA game against the Lady Ducks U16 AAA team. That should really be enjoyable and relevant competition. Perhaps they can schedule some games vs. the Panorama city Div2 Beer league teams while they are at it.
It's really a shame, because there are a lot of competitive teams below the top group this year, and it would be interesting and exciting to see how those teams develop (or not) but thanks to the geniuses at CAHA and now SCAHA, they've managed to create AA-B, in the least transparent and dubious way possible when this was not their charter or purpose. When the Flight system was announced it came along with the provision that Flights would only be done if they could be done "fairly". This season shows that they either don't have a clue what "fair" means or they were full of shit when that was published.
And who asked SCAHA to implement this shadow flighting system?
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The other thing I really love, is that Flight2 gets to play a SCAHA game against the Lady Ducks U16 AAA team. That should really be enjoyable and relevant competition. Perhaps they can schedule some games vs. the Panorama city Div2 Beer league teams while they are at it.
It is complete and utter BS Girls team plays in a boys division and the boys have to cow toe to them and play their rules. All Flight II teams should forfeit the girls games and stay home. If everyone did it then it would send a message to the idiots that think this is a good idea.
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The Kings2, Bears2, Ducks2 and GSE1 have yet to play or beat a top Flight1 team either. In fact Bears2 only beat Reign by 1 and Kings2 tied Ducks1. Why are those teams Flight1? Based on what? When those teams did play top Flight1 teams in the Jamboree they lost by larger margins than the top Flight2 teams did to Flight1 teams. Based on Scaha reporting Kings1 have only lost to Saints1 and Wave1 by a score of 0-2. Guessing Kings2, Bears2, Ducks2 and GSE1 will lose by much larger margins when they play these same teams. Yet two of those teams are guaranteed a playoff spot before ever playing a real game.
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I think it was pretty clear he was not talking about the top Flight1 teams. It's also clear, that you struggle with basic math or an understanding of the Flights. There are 9 teams in each Flight. It will be obvious after the 2nd CAHA weekend which teams are going to struggle, but if we assume your "top 4" then there may be as many as 5 Flight1 teams that can be beat or tied by a Flight2 team on any given day. These are the teams that he was referring to.
The other thing I really love, is that Flight2 gets to play a SCAHA game against the Lady Ducks U16 AAA team. That should really be enjoyable and relevant competition. Perhaps they can schedule some games vs. the Panorama city Div2 Beer league teams while they are at it.
It's really a shame, because there are a lot of competitive teams below the top group this year, and it would be interesting and exciting to see how those teams develop (or not) but thanks to the geniuses at CAHA and now SCAHA, they've managed to create AA-B, in the least transparent and dubious way possible when this was not their charter or purpose. When the Flight system was announced it came along with the provision that Flights would only be done if they could be done "fairly". This season shows that they either don't have a clue what "fair" means or they were full of shit when that was published.
And who asked SCAHA to implement this shadow flighting system?
He said 4 SCAHA Flight 1 teams, plus you add the two GSE teams, which leaves you with 3
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Touché
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I think it was pretty clear he was not talking about the top Flight1 teams. It's also clear, that you struggle with basic math or an understanding of the Flights. There are 9 teams in each Flight. It will be obvious after the 2nd CAHA weekend which teams are going to struggle, but if we assume your "top 4" then there may be as many as 5 Flight1 teams that can be beat or tied by a Flight2 team on any given day. These are the teams that he was referring to.
Seems that I struggle with basic math as much as you struggle with reading and comprehension. I did mention numerous times that the 7 teams I'm referring to are all SOCAL teams. We were talking about flighted SCAHA games, correct? Obviously there are 9 teams in each flight, but I hope you're not planning to fly north to play GSE1&2 or Sharks except during CAHA weekends...
Since you want to get technical, out of the 9 Flight1 teams, there are actually 5-6 top teams, not just 4. I'm assuming GSE2, Bears1, OCHC1, Wave1 and Saints1 are the teams you're not talking about because clearly they're too much for most, if not all Flight 2 teams to handle. Bears2 and GSE1 are not that far behind and I highly doubt Flight 2 teams will 'beat them on any given day.' That's 7 solid teams out of 9... I don't care what team(s) you or whomever are referring to, but you're tripping if you think Flight2 teams can beat or tie most Flight1 teams consistently/on any given day.
Like I said, Flight1 is going to be very competitive against their peers, and likewise for Flight2.
Regarding the 16AAA girls, quit your whining and go out there and play! Unless you're asking for protection from having to play and lose to the AAA girls? We did it last year and played against AAA girls as a Flight 2 team. We won and we moved on. End of story. Is it tough for the boys to play against girls when checking is taken out of the equation? Perhaps, but if your team is good and can adjust, there should be no issues. But again, you can always cry about it and forfeit/throw a hissy fit.
I can only speak from my personal experience when it comes to this imperfect flight system. Lots of Flight2 teams think they can hang with or belong in Flight1, but that's not how it really works. Last year, there were 3 strong Flight2 teams, but when it really mattered, they couldn't beat ANY of the teams from Flight1, maybe once in a blue moon... So don't be surprised if your Flight2 squad aren't beating Flight1 teams 'on any given day' because from my experience, sounds more like wishful thinking.
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Regarding the 16AAA girls, quit your whining and go out there and play! Unless you're asking for protection from having to play and lose to the AAA girls? We did it last year and played against AAA girls as a Flight 2 team. We won and we moved on. End of story. Is it tough for the boys to play against girls when checking is taken out of the equation? Perhaps, but if your team is good and can adjust, there should be no issues. But again, you can always cry about it and forfeit/throw a hissy fit.
Girls should play girls and it they want to play in a boys league they should play by boys rules. A boys team would never be allowed to play in a girls league. You believe it is crying because you have been kowtowing to feminists and their pursuit of elevated rights and believe we should continue to cater to them.
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Regarding the 16AAA girls, quit your whining and go out there and play! Unless you're asking for protection from having to play and lose to the AAA girls? We did it last year and played against AAA girls as a Flight 2 team. We won and we moved on. End of story. Is it tough for the boys to play against girls when checking is taken out of the equation? Perhaps, but if your team is good and can adjust, there should be no issues. But again, you can always cry about it and forfeit/throw a hissy fit.
Girls should play girls and it they want to play in a boys league they should play by boys rules. A boys team would never be allowed to play in a girls league. You believe it is crying because you have been kowtowing to feminists and their pursuit of elevated rights and believe we should continue to cater to them.
I would agree with playing with the same rules...however I do not agree that girls should only play in a girls league. I have seen many times boys get out skated and out played by girls. Sure it gets more chippy because boys don't like to get beat in anything by a girl. It is what it is...like justanotherhockeydad said just play get it done and get over it.
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Justanotherhockeyday, correct me if I’m wrong since the scores are secret, but based upon the Jamboree scores your team lost to Bear1 0-4 and only beat Kings1 2-1. So based on those scores what makes you more entitled to never face a flight2 team in the scaha or caha games?
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You believe it is crying because you have been kowtowing to feminists and their pursuit of elevated rights and believe we should continue to cater to them.
Like I said, go out there and take care of biz then you have nothing to worry about. Perhaps you may even post the score afterwards, but obviously only if you win, right?
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Justanotherhockeyday, correct me if I’m wrong since the scores are secret, but based upon the Jamboree scores your team lost to Bear1 0-4 and only beat Kings1 2-1. So based on those scores what makes you more entitled to never face a flight2 team in the scaha or caha games?
Well, obviously Bears1 are the team to beat. The score was 2-0 for most of the game, but yes, we lost fair and square to a better team, at that time. Regarding Kings1, our team did beat them 9-2 a week or so prior to Jamboree and perhaps our team didn't show up or Kings1 stepped during Jamboree, who knows, but we still got the W.
I don't bitch about who we have to face, all I was saying was that numbers do NOT suggest that Flight2 teams fare favorably vs Flight1... Go ahead and put any Flight2 team in Flight1, I doubt the Flight2 team will come out with a winning record. But what do I know...
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He’s the tough guy on the boards. We need him to spice thing up with his bluster and bravado. Don’t challenge the internet tough guy. He will smack the IP address right out of you.
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Regarding the 16AAA girls, quit your whining and go out there and play! Unless you're asking for protection from having to play and lose to the AAA girls? We did it last year and played against AAA girls as a Flight 2 team. We won and we moved on. End of story. Is it tough for the boys to play against girls when checking is taken out of the equation? Perhaps, but if your team is good and can adjust, there should be no issues. But again, you can always cry about it and forfeit/throw a hissy fit.
Girls should play girls and it they want to play in a boys league they should play by boys rules. A boys team would never be allowed to play in a girls league. You believe it is crying because you have been kowtowing to feminists and their pursuit of elevated rights and believe we should continue to cater to them.
I would agree with playing with the same rules...however I do not agree that girls should only play in a girls league. I have seen many times boys get out skated and out played by girls. Sure it gets more chippy because boys don't like to get beat in anything by a girl. It is what it is...like justanotherhockeydad said just play get it done and get over it.
Checking and non-checking hockey is a completely different game. A coach would build a non-checking team completely different than a checking team. Often a girls team will "out skate and out play" a boys team because they are playing in a way that you could never get away with in a checking league. The boys simply do not play that way anymore because they have learned the hard way that you can not. Also, the girls complain constantly about the little bit of physical play the boys are allowed to do within the rules and the referees penalize the boys for any physical play.
There are many boys who do not want to play checking hockey. A non-checking league should be made where the girls can play and boys can play who do not want to check.
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Yeah playing the girls team before Bantam and therefore before checking is good for the boys. However (especially at Bantam level) it is hard for a lot of them to get used to the checking and then stop to play a girls team and then start again against another Boys Bantam team. I've seen this happen time after time. Not to mention (in NorCal anyways) that the girls team is usually allowed to be more physical than the Boys team by the referees. It is what it is though but I'm glad my son is now past that.
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Well, like I said, if your boy's team is good enough, they will find a way to overcome all the excuses.
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Well, like I said, if your boy's team is good enough, they will find a way to overcome all the excuses.
Why should they have to is the real question? The answer is our cultures misguided belief in feminism and women fight for elevated rights. if you believe this should happen you are part of the problem.
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Well, like I said, if your boy's team is good enough, they will find a way to overcome all the excuses.
Why should they have to is the real question? The answer is our cultures misguided belief in feminism and women fight for elevated rights. if you believe this should happen you are part of the problem.
No excuses - just facts. And I agree that they shouldn't have to. But that's the way it is and it will not change. Have heard many a parent complain about it and like I said I am so glad that my son is past this nonsense.
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Well, like I said, if your boy's team is good enough, they will find a way to overcome all the excuses.
Why should they have to is the real question? The answer is our cultures misguided belief in feminism and women fight for elevated rights. if you believe this should happen you are part of the problem.
Cool story bro, I get it, women are inferior. Just post the score vs the AAA girls afterwards, ok?
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Well, like I said, if your boy's team is good enough, they will find a way to overcome all the excuses.
Why should they have to is the real question? The answer is our cultures misguided belief in feminism and women fight for elevated rights. if you believe this should happen you are part of the problem.
Cool story bro, I get it, women are inferior. Just post the score vs the AAA girls afterwards, ok?
As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
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The problem is that CAHA and SCAHA are so far out to lunch that they can’t find their way home!!
Gross incompetence and politics are alive and well in CA hockey! Buckle up or just leave the state like so many players are doing!
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
How you doing tranny
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
Protector of boys and men!! lol ;D
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
Protector of boys and men!! lol ;D
Since you can not add anything constructive go back and have fun with your crappy coach.
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
Protector of boys and men!! lol ;D
Since you can not add anything constructive go back and have fun with your crappy coach.
I know who you're now Skating Dad... Took me a bit to remember. 'Pressure hockey'... How's your team? Have you jumped ship yet? I actually sincerely feel bad for them... I know a few kids on that team and they're good kids with good parents. And ya, no wonder you don't want to play the 16 AAA girls, no need to post the score pal, I know it won't be pretty for you guys... It's going to be a long season for that team and I'm not even joking right now.
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
Protector of boys and men!! lol ;D
Since you can not add anything constructive go back and have fun with your crappy coach.
I know who you're now Skating Dad... Took me a bit to remember. 'Pressure hockey'... How's your team? Have you jumped ship yet? I actually sincerely feel bad for them... I know a few kids on that team and they're good kids with good parents. And ya, no wonder you don't want to play the 16 AAA girls, no need to post the score pal, I know it won't be pretty for you guys... It's going to be a long season for that team and I'm not even joking right now.
Agreed, it will be a long season... We made a commitment to that team and will stick it out. We actually ended up with a good coach but, lost a lot of talent that cannot be replaced.
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I think it was pretty clear he was not talking about the top Flight1 teams. It's also clear, that you struggle with basic math or an understanding of the Flights. There are 9 teams in each Flight. It will be obvious after the 2nd CAHA weekend which teams are going to struggle, but if we assume your "top 4" then there may be as many as 5 Flight1 teams that can be beat or tied by a Flight2 team on any given day. These are the teams that he was referring to.
Seems that I struggle with basic math as much as you struggle with reading and comprehension. I did mention numerous times that the 7 teams I'm referring to are all SOCAL teams. We were talking about flighted SCAHA games, correct? Obviously there are 9 teams in each flight, but I hope you're not planning to fly north to play GSE1&2 or Sharks except during CAHA weekends...
My profoundest apologies, as I can do nothing but admit I glossed over that detail, so you have me there.
As to the rest of your argument -- it reads as borderline Stockholm syndrome, and I am sick of the argument.
Q: "Why did you guys make the pledges drink until one of them had to be taken to the hospital with alcohol poisoning?"
A: "We went through the same thing when we were pledging"
Q: "Why did you beat your kid black and blue with a belt?"
A: "My parents beat me all the time when I was bad, and look how I turned out."
And for the record, and this is not splitting hairs, you got to play the full set of SCAHA teams last season AND had Flight 2 playoffs available to you, and don't even bother to pretend your team didn't make the playoffs a goal when you failed to win Flight 2.
The pool of potential Flight1 teams is much larger this year, and more arbitrary. This is the data that was generated at the Jamboree, plain and simple. If they are going to ignore the Jamboree data, then WTF was that for?
Nobody gives a crap what you guys did last year in Bantam Flight 2. Every year is not the same. You keep trying to justify this as if it's a system that has a historic foundation when it was cooked up by a couple of people at CAHA/SCAHA in a vacuum, and they keep changing rules AFTER people sign up. For someone who plays at the Wave you of all people should be aware of how the rules are not applied in the same way to all the clubs.
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
Protector of boys and men!! lol ;D
Since you can not add anything constructive go back and have fun with your crappy coach.
SD THE PROTECTOR....
Where did that come from ?
You obviously constantly have him on your mind. Let him go. If you let him go and he doesn't return, it was not ment to be. :-X
Now STOP !!.....STOP calling him at midnight and hang up after you hear his voice.
STOP.....STOP.... driving by his house at night honking your horn.
Let him go :'(
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
Protector of boys and men!! lol ;D
Since you can not add anything constructive go back and have fun with your crappy coach.
SD THE PROTECTOR....
Where did that come from ?
You obviously constantly have him on your mind. Let him go. If you let him go and he doesn't return, it was not ment to be. :-X
Now STOP !!.....STOP calling him at midnight and hang up after you hear his voice.
STOP.....STOP.... driving by his house at night honking your horn.
Let him go :'(
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That came from you ether as one of your many accounts or it was someone from your group. Nobody else cares and you can not get it out of your mind.
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
Protector of boys and men!! lol ;D
Since you can not add anything constructive go back and have fun with your crappy coach.
SD THE PROTECTOR....
Where did that come from ?
You obviously constantly have him on your mind. Let him go. If you let him go and he doesn't return, it was not ment to be. :-X
Now STOP !!.....STOP calling him at midnight and hang up after you hear his voice.
STOP.....STOP.... driving by his house at night honking your horn.
Let him go :'(
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That came from you ether as one of your many accounts or it was someone from your group. Nobody else cares and you can not get it out of your mind.
Wrong again SkatingDad...just go ahead and check my IP and you'll know that this account has no relation to Trans.
You want constructive conversation? lets discuss scores this weekend? How did everyone do?
oh and maybe conversations with you would be just hockey if you'd stop your bullshit of bashing a Coach that you no longer play for and "SAY" you don't care for and now that boys should not have to play girls. As said before...it is what it is. Deal with it.
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
Protector of boys and men!! lol ;D
Since you can not add anything constructive go back and have fun with your crappy coach.
SD THE PROTECTOR....
Where did that come from ?
You obviously constantly have him on your mind. Let him go. If you let him go and he doesn't return, it was not ment to be. :-X
Now STOP !!.....STOP calling him at midnight and hang up after you hear his voice.
STOP.....STOP.... driving by his house at night honking your horn.
Let him go :'(
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That came from you ether as one of your many accounts or it was someone from your group. Nobody else cares and you can not get it out of your mind.
Wrong again SkatingDad...just go ahead and check my IP and you'll know that this account has no relation to Trans.
You want constructive conversation? lets discuss scores this weekend? How did everyone do?
oh and maybe conversations with you would be just hockey if you'd stop your bullshit of bashing a Coach that you no longer play for and "SAY" you don't care for and now that boys should not have to play girls. As said before...it is what it is. Deal with it.
As I said or part of his group. You are the one that brought up the protector of kids BS from that argument. If you can not handle the fact you have a crappy coach maybe you should not be on this board. You do not seem to mind saying he is the best coach (look at the history) I do not mind saying he is the worst coach.
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As I said, you are part of the problem because you have been brainwashed by feminism. Do you enjoy your wife telling you what to do?
Oh ya for sure I'm part of the problem... Keep telling yourself that.
Just remember justanotherhockeydad you are communicating with Skatingdad aka Mr. Perfection in the way his views are. ::)
WRONG IDZ.......
IT'S Skating Dad......THE PROTECTOR !!!!!
Protector of boys and men!! lol ;D
Since you can not add anything constructive go back and have fun with your crappy coach.
SD THE PROTECTOR....
Where did that come from ?
You obviously constantly have him on your mind. Let him go. If you let him go and he doesn't return, it was not ment to be. :-X
Now STOP !!.....STOP calling him at midnight and hang up after you hear his voice.
STOP.....STOP.... driving by his house at night honking your horn.
Let him go :'(
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That came from you ether as one of your many accounts or it was someone from your group. Nobody else cares and you can not get it out of your mind.
Wrong again SkatingDad...just go ahead and check my IP and you'll know that this account has no relation to Trans.
You want constructive conversation? lets discuss scores this weekend? How did everyone do?
oh and maybe conversations with you would be just hockey if you'd stop your bullshit of bashing a Coach that you no longer play for and "SAY" you don't care for and now that boys should not have to play girls. As said before...it is what it is. Deal with it.
As I said or part of his group. You are the one that brought up the protector of kids BS from that argument. If you can not handle the fact you have a crappy coach maybe you should not be on this board. You do not seem to mind saying he is the best coach (look at the history) I do not mind saying he is the worst coach.
Discussions with you is like beating a dead horse...again several of those kids have been with that Coach for several years. Like others have said maybe he was not the best Coach for your kid for whatever reason....at this point I think it had more to do with parent than the kid himself.
Again if you don't have anything new to add to a conversation or constructive then move it along as best you can or move to the next club once the time comes. Enjoy.
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Discussions with you is like beating a dead horse...again several of those kids have been with that Coach for several years. Like others have said maybe he was not the best Coach for your kid for whatever reason....at this point I think it had more to do with parent than the kid himself.
Again if you don't have anything new to add to a conversation or constructive then move it along as best you can or move to the next club once the time comes. Enjoy.
Maybe you should try not attacking me bringing up an old argument when I am discussing something completely different. If you had not started with the protector of kids comment I would not have brought up your crappy coach again.
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Discussions with you is like beating a dead horse...again several of those kids have been with that Coach for several years. Like others have said maybe he was not the best Coach for your kid for whatever reason....at this point I think it had more to do with parent than the kid himself.
Again if you don't have anything new to add to a conversation or constructive then move it along as best you can or move to the next club once the time comes. Enjoy.
Maybe you should try not attacking me bringing up an old argument when I am discussing something completely different. If you had not started with the protector of kids comment I would not have brought up your crappy coach again.
Maybe you should check again who that initial comment came from...you had already been attacking justanotherhockeydad for stating his opinion.
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Discussions with you is like beating a dead horse...again several of those kids have been with that Coach for several years. Like others have said maybe he was not the best Coach for your kid for whatever reason....at this point I think it had more to do with parent than the kid himself.
Again if you don't have anything new to add to a conversation or constructive then move it along as best you can or move to the next club once the time comes. Enjoy.
Maybe you should try not attacking me bringing up an old argument when I am discussing something completely different. If you had not started with the protector of kids comment I would not have brought up your crappy coach again.
Maybe you should check again who that initial comment came from...you had already been attacking justanotherhockeydad for stating his opinion.
Superheros are not as tough as i thought. :-*
Btw i also have only one account. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe more than one person believes your full if shit ?
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And for the record, and this is not splitting hairs, you got to play the full set of SCAHA teams last season AND had Flight 2 playoffs available to you, and don't even bother to pretend your team didn't make the playoffs a goal when you failed to win Flight 2.
The pool of potential Flight1 teams is much larger this year, and more arbitrary. This is the data that was generated at the Jamboree, plain and simple. If they are going to ignore the Jamboree data, then WTF was that for?
Nobody gives a crap what you guys did last year in Bantam Flight 2. Every year is not the same. You keep trying to justify this as if it's a system that has a historic foundation when it was cooked up by a couple of people at CAHA/SCAHA in a vacuum, and they keep changing rules AFTER people sign up. For someone who plays at the Wave you of all people should be aware of how the rules are not applied in the same way to all the clubs.
Regarding last yr, sure we were a bit disappointed we fell shy of winning Flight2... IIRC, we lost to Saints for the right to playoff vs Flight1 because we tied a team somewhere along the way and Saints ended up edging us by 1 point. Then we lost in the BS Flight2 'championship' vs Mariners. Mariners got hot with a new goalie at the championship game and we lost. It was what it was. I never bitched about it. You win some and you lose some.
Perhaps the pool for potential Flight1 teams are greater this season. Besides the top 5 teams, there were 4 Flight1 spots to be had. Maybe CAHA/SCAHA should've placed Kings1 in instead of Kings2, maybe not. CAHA are always winging shit as they go along, that much we can all agree on and you probably should know or get used to that by now.
I know nobody gives a crap about last yr, but I'm not justifying anything, again if you read carefully, I clearly stated I'm speaking from personal experience and at no time did I insinuate this process was tried and true nor has any meaningful foundation behind CAHA's logic. I get that certain clubs get treated differently, but I don't keep beating the dead horse about it either. I just can't believe people are bitching so much about playing a bunch of girls and/or why isn't my team in Flight1 blah blah blah. But I get it, hockey is an emotional sport... CAHA does some f*cked up shit (like quietly making us go North twice instead of once) and I'm not happy about it but it is what it is. Just chill and make the best of it, that's what I try to remind myself...
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Discussions with you is like beating a dead horse...again several of those kids have been with that Coach for several years. Like others have said maybe he was not the best Coach for your kid for whatever reason....at this point I think it had more to do with parent than the kid himself.
Again if you don't have anything new to add to a conversation or constructive then move it along as best you can or move to the next club once the time comes. Enjoy.
Maybe you should try not attacking me bringing up an old argument when I am discussing something completely different. If you had not started with the protector of kids comment I would not have brought up your crappy coach again.
Maybe you should check again who that initial comment came from...you had already been attacking justanotherhockeydad for stating his opinion.
So you are justanotherhockeydad protector? Seems like he was having a good debate wit me on his own. I know you guys are looking for any chance to pounce on me. How dare I have a different option. I am not going away so get used to it.
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Discussions with you is like beating a dead horse...again several of those kids have been with that Coach for several years. Like others have said maybe he was not the best Coach for your kid for whatever reason....at this point I think it had more to do with parent than the kid himself.
Again if you don't have anything new to add to a conversation or constructive then move it along as best you can or move to the next club once the time comes. Enjoy.
Maybe you should try not attacking me bringing up an old argument when I am discussing something completely different. If you had not started with the protector of kids comment I would not have brought up your crappy coach again.
Maybe you should check again who that initial comment came from...you had already been attacking justanotherhockeydad for stating his opinion.
Superheros are not as tough as i thought. :-*
Btw i also have only one account. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe more than one person believes your full if shit ?
Deleted the other ones did you... I know that everyone in your group believes I am full of shit.
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Heard from a friend who's son plays on Chicago Young Americans 2005 AAA team that a San Diego Saints 2005 AA Team beat Colorado Thunderbirds 2005 AAA 3-2 in round robin and went on to lose super close game 5-4 to SJ Sharks 2005 AAA in Semi finals in CCM World Invite in Denver this past weekend. Said he watched game vs Sharks and said it could have gone either way......there were 12 teams(2005 birthyear) in the division and most were AAA apparently. Can anybody from SD confirm that this is the same team that will compete in flight two this year?
Yes, its the same team- Saints Bantam AA 2. They are a pure 05 birthyear team, will compete in flight two this year. They played in the AAA division and were invited back to the next CCM Invite in Boulder in January.
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Really? So a team that is beating some very good AAA teams is playing in Flight 2?? If I didn't know how incompetent CAHA was I wouldn't believe it!! Sucks for Saints2.....they are going to have a long boring year entertaining 4 teams in their Flight who should be Bantam A!! Hard to get better if you are playing below your level....not to worry, SCAHA also keeping Flight 2 Teams together so even more useless games for top Flight 2 teams! Keep up the good work!
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I’m sure S2 is a good team. But let’s not get crazy. I believe they lost to the Gulls. The same Gulls who lost their next two games by a combined 17 goals. They might be just fine where they are. This is not an insult. It’s a young team.
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Really? So a team that is beating some very good AAA teams is playing in Flight 2?? If I didn't know how incompetent CAHA was I wouldn't believe it!! Sucks for Saints2.....they are going to have a long boring year entertaining 4 teams in their Flight who should be Bantam A!! Hard to get better if you are playing below your level....not to worry, SCAHA also keeping Flight 2 Teams together so even more useless games for top Flight 2 teams! Keep up the good work!
you are totally correct "Hard to get better...." that's why this flight system works. The Flight 1 teams shouldn't have to be playing the Flight 2 teams. And all you 05 parents will feel the same way next year.
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Really? So a team that is beating some very good AAA teams is playing in Flight 2?? If I didn't know how incompetent CAHA was I wouldn't believe it!! Sucks for Saints2.....they are going to have a long boring year entertaining 4 teams in their Flight who should be Bantam A!! Hard to get better if you are playing below your level....not to worry, SCAHA also keeping Flight 2 Teams together so even more useless games for top Flight 2 teams! Keep up the good work!
you are totally correct "Hard to get better...." that's why this flight system works. The Flight 1 teams shouldn't have to be playing the Flight 2 teams. And all you 05 parents will feel the same way next year.
It wasn’t flighted with the thought of ‘04/05. Both the kings and ducks ‘04 got flight 2 in a bantam major year. We’ll all be watching the flight one scores.
As for SCAHA, what’s the excuse for that BS? We should know the details and # of games before we sign and pay. Do we get a refund now for playing less games?
A lot of time, effort and money is going into this. I just don’t see how run time mini games should decide the season at Labor Day. C’mon, no scores posted, this is f-ing lame. And it isn’t like we all all just bitching for the sake of it and not doing shit.
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I love how quiet the Midget board is. They've all left the state.
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I love how quiet the Midget board is. They've all left the state.
Yep but most of the parents mellow out at that age level as they're used to the CAHA BS and are not as uptight as to where their little Gretzkys will end up. Also the Midget 16s didn't get flighted as the 18s don't have to worry about it. :D
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Did you ever wonder why the AA boards are the most active? A and AAA level at most any age are dormant compared to AA. Why is that? It will be interesting to see the responses. It goes beyond the flight system
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Did you ever wonder why the AA boards are the most active? A and AAA level at most any age are dormant compared to AA. Why is that? It will be interesting to see the responses. It goes beyond the flight system
Lotta assholes that like to talk shit.
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Some of this ^^^ could be part of the reason but it's more to do with there being nothing to discuss/fight about at the AAA level outside of some entertainment at the 06 level. There are two teams in SoCal who occasionally play each other. In another month they will travel north to play what I hope is an improved San Jose. That's it ; that's all.
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There is also less AAA teams therefore less kids and therefore less parents too.
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Playing A hockey at bantam is for fun only and there isn't much to write about.
At AAA, there are so few teams that there is nothing really to write about except for your own after the fact experience. It is such a small community in California, far less than the national average. A discussion of players placed on teams from other states or daddy coaches is not really going to mean much. There isn't an audience and most people know each other.
If your son is playing 16AA especially in a major year then he is pretty much playing hockey for fun only. Of course there are always exceptions but playing juniors, going to a D1 school or the dream of pros is no longer a remote possibility. At 16AA the dream ends for most kids and beer league is about to begin. The talent drop off at 16AA is steep with numerous kids opting for greener pastures outside of this state or to downshift for high school hockey.
Essentially it is all for fun, but there is much more to second guess at tier II at PW and bantam, especially in this state. I think that is why there are far more posts. There is no place quite like California when it comes to youth hockey.
Wishing everyone a fun and safe weekend.
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Let me correct your statement. All hockey is just for fun. If you are looking for a meal ticket cause your kid got on a team back east or AAA in Cali - that train don’t ride. If you’re looking to build yourself up because your kid doesn’t play Bantam A or midget AA, I don’t fault you a bit. If your kid plays Bantam A or Midget AA, I’d tell you not to give up on him or her.
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David Perron was playing Midget B at 16 years old. You never know when kids will develop into good players. It is rare but, it happens...
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The Kings2, Bears2, Ducks2 and GSE1 have yet to play or beat a top Flight1 team either. In fact Bears2 only beat Reign by 1 and Kings2 tied Ducks1. Why are those teams Flight1? Based on what? When those teams did play top Flight1 teams in the Jamboree they lost by larger margins than the top Flight2 teams did to Flight1 teams. Based on Scaha reporting Kings1 have only lost to Saints1 and Wave1 by a score of 0-2. Guessing Kings2, Bears2, Ducks2 and GSE1 will lose by much larger margins when they play these same teams. Yet two of those teams are guaranteed a playoff spot before ever playing a real game.
Well this didn’t take long to play out. First night and already Kings2 lost by 6, Bears2 lost by 3 to an all 05 team and Wave1 lost by 4. Flyers won by 6. So glad the brain trust that runs California hockey is making sure all games are competitive. Job well done handing these Flight1 teams an automatic playoff spot without having to earn it.
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Well this didn’t take long to play out. First night and already Kings2 lost by 6, Bears2 lost by 3 to an all 05 team and Wave1 lost by 4. Flyers won by 6. So glad the brain trust that runs California hockey is making sure all games are competitive. Job well done handing these Flight1 teams an automatic playoff spot without having to earn it.
That 05 Ducks2 team can play. They gave GSE2 a serious run for their money. Great size for an 05 team and some pretty talented kids too. Perhaps a bit inconsistent, but if they were in Flight2, they'd lose no more than 2-3 games... Beating Bears2 is not a big surprise after watching how Ducks2 played GSE2.
GSE2... Great size and talent but I'm very surprised they let Ducks2 hang around, while losing to GSE1. Aren't GSE2 suppose to be the better Norcal team?! Big win for GSE1.
Can't really comment on Flight2 as I didn't watch any Flight2 games in Lakewood, but I know Flyers have a bunch of decent 04's with size, and will likely win Flight2... I was a bit surprised also to see them assigned to Flight2. However, beating a young, mostly 05 and injury-ridden Empire isn't a good measuring stick IMO. With all due respect, if Flyers were to be put in Flight1, they will likely win no more than 2-3 games...
Not sure what you mean by Flight1 teams not earning their spots, but if you think losing to Saints1 means you didn't 'earn' Flight1 status, you're sadly mistaken. This Saints1 team is maybe a slight notch below Bears1 and is likely the 2nd best team in Bantam AA as we speak. Both OC1 and Wave1 lost to Saints1...
Bears1, Saints1, OC1, Wave1, GSE1, GSE2 and throw in a little Ducks2 to the mix and you got yourself a serious dogfight this season.
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Kings 2 beat Ducks 2 6-0 last week... Let the teams settle in the 05 teams playing in flight 1 have a bit of a learning curve but they will settle in
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Kings 2 beat Ducks 2 6-0 last week... Let the teams settle in the 05 teams playing in flight 1 have a bit of a learning curve but they will settle in
Kings2 and Bears2 are not 05 teams.
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I don’t watch any of the flight two games, but I can tell you with utmost certainty how good the teams are and predict their record for the season in any league that I do watch.
You are CAHA. Congratulations on being exactly what they are so afraid of admitting. Give the man a prize.
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Kings2 and Bears2 are primarily '05 with a handful of solid '04's on each squad. Valencia is about 50/50.
The results of Flight1 are basically what I expected for the most part.
-Bears1
Barely broke a sweat, lost a top player to injury and still rolled. Until we have evidence to the contrary, they are probaly the 3rd best AAA '04 team in California.
The AA contenders:
-Saints1
-Wave
-OCHC1
-GSE2
Mid level group:
For the most part, this is the "any given day" group, where if there wasn't flighting, would be in a dog fight. For a few of the teams in this group that are in the top Flight, it's really going to be hard to say that they are better off, when they will regularly lose to the top 5 by 3-5+ goals.
Some of these teams do have the potential to knock off a team in the upper group on a given day, and for some it's probably not very likely, but either way there's just not a huge gap between the teams in this group, even if some of the coaches and parents have delusional beliefs to the contrary. Not sure if it's going to be blessing or a curse that they won't get to play any Flight2 teams even in SCAHA. After a while, even if the team is improving, it can be hard to see the upside, when the improvement is still at the expense of losing games.
-GSE1
-Kings1
-Kings2
-Bears2
-Ducks1
-Ducks2
-Flyers
-Sharks
-Saints2
-Jr. Reign
Flight2 challenged:
-Empire: showed some improvement and got an injured player back, but still seem a notch below the level needed to string together some wins
-OCHC2: 3 Games down, and they have 1 goal and -23 goal differential. Don't see this getting much better.
Shoutout to Wave2 that were arguably better and had more potential than OCHC2. That team is now defunct, as in, players scattered to other AA teams and not enough players left over to reformulate at A. A job well done CAHA/SCAHA!
It's a long season, and all you can hope for is that kids continue to learn the game, learn to compete, avoid injury, and come out on the other side of it still wanting to play next season.
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From a coaching point of view, releasing unhappy players is better than having a malcontent creating more malcontents. As far as why certain teams dropped versus other teams, look no further than who calls the shots 🤴🦆🦈 As long as those in control have vested interests💰💰💰 the decisions made will always have the decision makers best interests in mind before anyone else’s. When the say it’s about the children, it’s always about the 💵💵💵
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Why are there people on here comparing the WW team to top flight 1 teams? They got handled not only in the Jamboree but also in CAHA weekend 1. That team is Big and Slow The Saints and Bears are cream of the crop. I actually give the edge to the Saints because they are more physical. Bears players are NOT a physical team hence their Euro coach. It’s simply not his style. If u hit the Bears you can even out the miss-matches. (Gotta catch them first because they are fast) The Saints are therefore the team to beat. Time will tell as the kids get stronger towards the end of the season. The Bears beat up on a team this weekend 10-1 the other team had 3 shots on goal. It will also be interesting to see how the bears goalies react to Actual competition since they are rarely tested. Good luck to all.
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Bears1 could have beat up their baby brothers too but held it to 5 to save face for Bears2, who have no business being in flight 1 over any of the top 5 teams from flight 2. Agreed about Wave1, but their parents dominate this board.
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Their parents dominate, the boards not so much. Tailgating they have most teams beat by a galactic parcec
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Why are there people on here comparing the WW team to top flight 1 teams? They got handled not only in the Jamboree but also in CAHA weekend 1. That team is Big and Slow The Saints and Bears are cream of the crop. I actually give the edge to the Saints because they are more physical. Bears players are NOT a physical team hence their Euro coach. It’s simply not his style. If u hit the Bears you can even out the miss-matches. (Gotta catch them first because they are fast) The Saints are therefore the team to beat. Time will tell as the kids get stronger towards the end of the season. The Bears beat up on a team this weekend 10-1 the other team had 3 shots on goal. It will also be interesting to see how the bears goalies react to Actual competition since they are rarely tested. Good luck to all.
I would have to agree with you 100%
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C :D :D L. My Kid is finally considered big. Awesome!!! ;D Moving up in the world.
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Voice in your head. Love your post. They all love money.
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Barely broke a sweat, lost a top player to injury and still rolled. Until we have evidence to the contrary, they are probaly the 3rd best AAA '04 team in California. I totally agree. Add triple A players to a AA squad and get the 3rd best triple a team. I couldn't have said it better.
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Watched a period of the Saints2 vs OC game.....waste of time for both teams. Saints2 won 10-0 and I heard shots were 45-5. OC2 should be playing Bantam A period. It is obvious that CHA has a different objective than trying to have parity in the league. I feel bad for the parents and kids on OC2. Its going to be a long season....Great work by CAHA and their expert non biased evaluators. The smoke screen is heavy but everyone can see through it C$H$!!! Keep ruining hockey in CA!
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Watched a period of the Saints2 vs OC game.....waste of time for both teams. Saints2 won 10-0 and I heard shots were 45-5. OC2 should be playing Bantam A period. It is obvious that CHA has a different objective than trying to have parity in the league. I feel bad for the parents and kids on OC2. Its going to be a long season....Great work by CAHA and their expert non biased evaluators. The smoke screen is heavy but everyone can see through it C$H$!!! Keep ruining hockey in CA!
Yes, I agree it's going to be a long season for OC2 and I feel bad for the parents and kids...
Not sure why OC2 elected to stay in AA... OC2 would've been better served dropping to Bantam A.
Also, not sure how accurate the entire story is as I'm only hearing it from one side, but a Wave2 parent told me that they knew they're not a AA team (especially after losing to Bears1 by 20+) and his kid chose to leave Wave2 because they wanted to play AA hockey and did not want to drop to Bantam A. From my understanding, sounded like Wave2 was given the option to stay in Flight2 or drop? However, when a few players decided to leave, Wave2 ended up not having enough players to stay as a team. So regarding OC2 and Wave2, I'm not sure if it's entirely CAHA's decision to make one team drop and the other stay... Perhaps parents/players had a lot of say in this situation?
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Wave2 suffered through some early season drubbings in scrimmages and at the Jamboree. But as stated previously, they also had closed the gap on some teams. That type of inconsistent result should be expected of any young inexperienced team, and Wave2 was an '05 team with a lot of players who had not played either for the coach or the team previously. These types of teams are no longer acceptable to CAHA. A team needs to be firing on most of its cylinders at the Jamboree or expect to find themselves either in Flight2 or facing pressure to drop.
Wave2 had some results that were encouraging, but as I've come to realize from personal experience, CAHA evaluation is a zero sum game. If you win a game, that is helpful. If you lose, they very much hold it against you, whether that loss comes in a 6-0 game, or a 4-3 game where you outshot your opponent. The conclusion is, that you weren't supposed to win, and when you don't, that means that CAHA's expectations and pre-season rankings are vindicated, and it's irrelevant to them that a close game indicates you might be just as good as the team you lost to. Once a team gets put on the relegation track, it's hard to get off of it. The Reign were on that track, and it's pretty clear now, that they never should have been, but CAHA & SCAHA kept setting up opportunities for them to fail, until they nearly tied Bears2 in the pre-season.
Perhaps Wave2 were considering dropping even prior to pressure from the league, but I believe their hand was forced, and I base that opinion on the fact that once you sign your LOI and contract, you can't just exit the team and go join another AA team without a release. The only way you can get a "competitive" release is if you are going to play up a division or go down -- as far as an individual family is concerned. So people "wanting to leave to play AA" couldn't have been the main reason for the team disbanding. Clubs are within their rights to simply say no to a release for a player who wants to play for another team in the same division. I can't say how often it happens that a club refuses to release a player so they can join the competition, but in general, the clubs don't want that happening, over concern that there'd be rampant club hopping if it was allowed.
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It’s mind boggling that an organization such as the Ducks continues to have to post for openings on their AA teams. It’s a real statement that Caha and Scaha are running California hockey straight into the ground with their nonsensical creation of the flight system. It’s not too late for Caha to abandon the flight system this year. Make OC2, Empire and Gulls drop to A. That would leave 15 competitive teams in AA. It would also stop kids from leaving the state or going on Tahoe Hockey Academy next season. It’s ridiculous that Kings2 and Bears2 are considered above the top 5 flight2 teams when they are -11 and -12 after one weekend.
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No real news here, if you have a player with talent that wants to keep playing seriously there aren't a lot of options after bantam. For this reason so many have left, easily over thirty of the best 2003 players last year. This includes numerous AAA players and many who never bothered with AAA.
Recent 18U & 16U AAA teams are frequently coached by dad coaches with a son on the team. Or there are kids of former pros which reduces the number of slots. Often these same teams get players placed on the team through USA Hockey to make the team more competitive or from overseas. That also makes it difficult for a local kid to gain entry or playing time.
So if you have a serious bantam and you buy all in, you have to look to the predominant methods that will move your son forward. This often means parting ways at a younger age than is necessary. There are lists that will show percentages of which league back east or in juniors will move your player on to college. One may have been previously posted here.
USA Hockey will talk a big game about staying local and point to Austin Matthews. But I seriously doubt that any one of of our kids are the next Austin Matthews. I believe you have to pursue the eyeballs or more than likely your kid will be overlooked regardless of talent.
I too very much question the legality of some of the things happening here. The parents of players are speaking loudly and a heck of a lot of talent and money is headed elsewhere. Sadly, I don't expect much to change.
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Hockey05, your numbers sadly are way low. Around 90 socal 2002s & 2003s have left the state to play for midget AAA, prep or academy programs. NINETY!! You won't see a complete list in Cal Rubber, but I guarantee my figure is correct. That's more than the number of kids who stayed to play AAA for the JK and JD this season. And Im not even counting the kids gone to Tahoe (around 10), or any of the norcal kids who left.
This is a CAHA epic fail. Bad for California youth hockey. Bad for many families. A few people tying to protect their little youth hockey fiefdoms have turned California tier hockey into an expensive and politicized joke that is inferior to dozens of out-of-state programs by every measure other than proximity. And the purposeful shrinking of AAA hasn't make Cal tier hockey any better; the few remaining midget AAA programs actually are LESS competitive nationally now then they were 5, 10 or even 15 years ago. The CJ ’01 Ducks are the only California team in five years to advance past pool play at nationals, and early results for this year's midgets are mediocre.
It is obvious to all but the CAHA geniuses that creating conditions that drive dozens of talented kids out of state every year can only result in a steadily worsening product. The people responsible for this mess should be 5hitcanned, but that won’t happen because too many of the people in charge are selfish, dumb or both.
P.S. for those wondering, our SoCal 2002s/2003s have gone to places including Andover, Bishop’s College, Brooks, Couer D’Alene Academy, Choate, Culver, Cushing, Groton, Gunnery, Hoosac, NAHA, NAX, OHA, POE, Shattuck, Shawnigan Lake, Selects Academy, Taft, Tilton, Winchendon, Belle Tire, CT Elite, Jr. Coyotes, Everett Jr. Silvertips, Honeybaked, Little Caesars, Team Illinois, Victory Honda.
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^^^^^ Bravo
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Okay, a direct challenge out to CAHA. Let us hear your case in the debate.
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Crickets.
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Let's give them, any of them, a little more time.... they may be busy counting our money.
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Curious - has CAHA ever responded to any posting here before?
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Curious - has CAHA ever responded to any posting here before?
No, and I why would we expect them to? They are an organization in deep contemplation of their collective navel. That should include SCAHA and perhaps the NYHA -- there is substantial overlap of "leadership" at these organizations.
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely -John Dalberg-Acton
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Wave2 suffered through some early season drubbings in scrimmages and at the Jamboree. But as stated previously, they also had closed the gap on some teams. That type of inconsistent result should be expected of any young inexperienced team, and Wave2 was an '05 team with a lot of players who had not played either for the coach or the team previously. These types of teams are no longer acceptable to CAHA. A team needs to be firing on most of its cylinders at the Jamboree or expect to find themselves either in Flight2 or facing pressure to drop.
Wave2 had some results that were encouraging, but as I've come to realize from personal experience, CAHA evaluation is a zero sum game. If you win a game, that is helpful. If you lose, they very much hold it against you, whether that loss comes in a 6-0 game, or a 4-3 game where you outshot your opponent. The conclusion is, that you weren't supposed to win, and when you don't, that means that CAHA's expectations and pre-season rankings are vindicated, and it's irrelevant to them that a close game indicates you might be just as good as the team you lost to. Once a team gets put on the relegation track, it's hard to get off of it. The Reign were on that track, and it's pretty clear now, that they never should have been, but CAHA & SCAHA kept setting up opportunities for them to fail, until they nearly tied Bears2 in the pre-season.
Perhaps Wave2 were considering dropping even prior to pressure from the league, but I believe their hand was forced, and I base that opinion on the fact that once you sign your LOI and contract, you can't just exit the team and go join another AA team without a release. The only way you can get a "competitive" release is if you are going to play up a division or go down -- as far as an individual family is concerned. So people "wanting to leave to play AA" couldn't have been the main reason for the team disbanding. Clubs are within their rights to simply say no to a release for a player who wants to play for another team in the same division. I can't say how often it happens that a club refuses to release a player so they can join the competition, but in general, the clubs don't want that happening, over concern that there'd be rampant club hopping if it was allowed.
Wave 2 never considered dropping down.
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I didn't think that they had or would. Was just wondering why it seemed that some posters were almost expecting them to respond.
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Congrats to WW in winning the Boston Prep Cup over the weekend.
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Congrats to WW in winning the Boston Prep Cup over the weekend.
Congrats WW1!!!
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Must have been some pretty tough competition for them to win the Prep Cup considering they can’t win a game in flight 1 caha.
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does Skating Dad have two accounts?
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does Skating Dad have two accounts?
I do not hide behind anything or anyone.
As you know, I know a lot of those kids and I am happy for them.
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Kudos to the Wave. What happened to the mighty Bears? Weren’t they at the same tournament?
Trouble in paradise?
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The “Mighty Bears†didn’t play in the “Non elite†division, the Mighty Bears played in the A division. Stop being a Bears Hater jealous Guy.
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Oh the "A" division. Yes, who wouldn't be jealous of that?
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No Strawman, your that jealous parent whos child didn’t have the Talent to make the “Mighty Bears†team so now all you do is attempt to cause drama and spread rumors that there’s trouble in their club. Worry about your little bender and not the Mighty Bears.
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How did they do?
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No Strawman, your that jealous parent whos child didn’t have the Talent to make the “Mighty Bears†team so now all you do is attempt to cause drama and spread rumors that there’s trouble in their club. Worry about your little bender and not the Mighty Bears.
Damn, I've been busted! You're right, it takes talent with a capital "T."
Actually, I have no dog in that fight, but it's always entertaining to poke the Bear.
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Congrats WW! Not that I'm not interested in the 3 or so entertaining pages this WW/ Bears tournament debate will result in, but does anyone have comment on the actual games played in So Cal this weekend? Hockeypop, I thought you'd been on a bender when you had OC1 by only 2 against JD2. JD2 proved me wrong big time with only losing by 1. Didn't see that game, but surprised by score. Anyone with insight from that game? Anyone know the scores of the flight 2 games that weren't posted, Saints2 vs Jr Reign or OC2 vs JK1?
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ABCDE, you might wanna start a new thread if your looking for bottom feeder flight 2 scores leave this thread for the real AA teams ... thank you. (Tier 2 lol in-house all stars.)
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How's that new account working for you, Brazzers? Still illiterate as ever, as we can all see. I know it's tough for you to navigate to different sites, but if you stretch that literacy just a bit further and look at the scores on scaha, you'll notice those were the only Bantam games with no scores. I have no dog in that fight, other than I think the flighting was poorly executed. There's a few in there that are worth keeping tabs on for playoffs.
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ABCDE. Get OVER IT already. Holy sh$&t your such a complainer. Go away. Go cry to the Caha board.
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Get over what, exactly? The fact that I'm interested in seeing how some teams do in flight 2, since the top team will be in playdowns? Or are you still not literate enough to figure that out?
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Vagina
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Congrats WW! Not that I'm not interested in the 3 or so entertaining pages this WW/ Bears tournament debate will result in, but does anyone have comment on the actual games played in So Cal this weekend? Hockeypop, I thought you'd been on a bender when you had OC1 by only 2 against JD2. JD2 proved me wrong big time with only losing by 1. Didn't see that game, but surprised by score. Anyone with insight from that game? Anyone know the scores of the flight 2 games that weren't posted, Saints2 vs Jr Reign or OC2 vs JK1?
OC1 came out against Ducks2 looking like they were trying to play a hockey game after doing leg day at the gym. Took OC1 the second period - into the 3rd - to get back on their game. Probably took Ducks2 a little to lightly and Ducks2 showed they can play.
The 05's on OC1 played several chippy games against this Ducks2 squad last year and that carried over with some late hits by OC1 and slashing behind the play by Ducks2. Followed by the sh*t show of parents claiming after the game that their kids were being targeted. Probably a match up you want to watch with an Irish coffee the rest of the season.
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Ducks2 can play, but I figured OC1 by 4. Maybe too much credit to OC1, but they can take care of business. Will have to catch that rematch in Vacaville.
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ABCDE, a true Vagina! Setting lines on youth hockey, GET A LIFE!
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ABCDE, a true Vagina! Setting lines on youth hockey, GET A LIFE!
You tell 'em WS !!!
Handicapping youth sports, what a loser !!
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WS?? Huh. Is that short for wussy or something??
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How did they do?
I have a friend with a son on that team. I believe the Bears tied one and lost two games.
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How did they do?
I have a friend with a son on that team. I believe the Bears tied one and lost two games.
Looks like they tied 1 game and lost three games.
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Thank you for correcting and updating.
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How did they do?
I have a friend with a son on that team. I believe the Bears tied one and lost two games.
Looks like they tied 1 game and lost three games.
In my opinon the bears 1 team is a very good AA team. Buts that ehat they are, a AA team with a good coach, that found the newest nitch (prep school). They are no where close to last years team. THAT team was a legitimate AAA level team. Talk that they are as stacked as last years team is just not true. I think the parents will be the first to acknowledged that as they seem to be even keeled...at least the ones that are original Bears.
Jmo
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Everyone talks about the downside to prep school on hockey in California. I agree we lose some of the top end talent sometimes, but look at what we get back.
Remember when the stands were packed with mid-six figure parents who wanted to talk about how their second-line kid was misunderstood and too special for the team? They are gone now. They are special somewhere else. And the parents can now do what they really wanted- brag without the effort of involvement.
So next time you look around the stands and see the crowd rooting for a team rather than the opportunity for their child to be special. Thank prep schools. They might actually be worth the bargain from where I’m sitting.
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Everyone talks about the downside to prep school on hockey in California. I agree we lose some of the top end talent sometimes, but look at what we get back.
Remember when the stands were packed with mid-six figure parents who wanted to talk about how their second-line kid was misunderstood and too special for the team? They are gone now. They are special somewhere else. And the parents can now do what they really wanted- brag without the effort of involvement.
So next time you look around the stands and see the crowd rooting for a team rather than the opportunity for their child to be special. Thank prep schools. They might actually be worth the bargain from where I’m sitting.
LOL
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The Bears Goalies were exposed, someone previously said that if you hit the Bears and get shots on goal against their Goalies who are rarely tested you can beat them, Trans sir I think you even agreed to that post. Sounds like this is exactly what happened back east. Good luck to all and don’t forget to face wash me because here at BRAZZERS we love a good facial!
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Looks like Bears2 lost to the flight two Ducks1 this weekend. Once again, a great example of the geniuses at CAHA and SCAHA deciding which teams deserve to be where before a single game is played. Way to go on ruining the entire season and development for so many kids and for handing an undeserving playoff spot to others.
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Looks like Bears2 lost to the flight two Ducks1 this weekend. Once again, a great example of the geniuses at CAHA and SCAHA deciding which teams deserve to be where before a single game is played. Way to go on ruining the entire season and development for so many kids and for handing an undeserving playoff spot to others.
Heard that Kings 2 beat OC1, which if true, is a surprise. Kids and teams do develop during a season, which may be a reason to have seasons. Maybe it makes more sense to have a single AA division and push down the teams that clearly do not belong.
6607 today makes a great point about the importance of extra ice time. My observation is that kids who either play roller and/or get a lot of extra ice time, develop faster and that top teams sort of expect it. There is only so much than even a great coach can accomplish in 2-3 hours per week. While controversial, hockey is mostly a year around activity. If not, the kids need a second sport or a challenging fitness program to fully develop. Tier hockey can't be approached like AYSO soccer.
Congrats to Bantam AA1 Ducks for their victory over Bears2.
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Heard that Kings 2 beat OC1, which if true, is a surprise.
Yes, it's true. OC1 lost 6-3 to Kings2.
Not a big surprise considering OC1 was missing 4 players due to illness, suspension & injury. May sound like an excuse to some, but hard to beat anyone when a quarter of your team is missing.
On a side note, I was hoping to see a more competitive score between Bears1 and Saints1... Can anyone give any insight to that game?
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Ducks 2 beat Wave 2-0. ouch!!!
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Wave lost to Ducks? Big deal, the WW won the Boston Prep cup! They are champions.
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They are certainly preppy enough. I expect an outpouring of prep school offers to flow their way now.
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I know that's a prepped up thing to say considering the sizeable investment some have made to go prep.
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Congratulations to the Bears2 for entering the Chicago CCM 05 AAA division this past weekend and making it to the quarterfinals by playing their 04s in an 05 tournament. But hey, whatever it takes to win a few games right?? Seems like the wrong lesson to teach your kids.
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That’s funny about Bears2, but it’s also fitting since a majority of those 04 parents are banner chasers to begin with. Hurry face wash me! BRAZZERS loves a facial.
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Congratulations to the Bears2 for entering the Chicago CCM 05 AAA division this past weekend and making it to the quarterfinals by playing their 04s in an 05 tournament. But hey, whatever it takes to win a few games right?? Seems like the wrong lesson to teach your kids.
I didn't think most birth year tournaments allowed overage kids (especially multiple kids.) That would surprise me if CCM Chicago Tourney allow it.
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It’s a fact that the Bear 04 kids played in the 05 division. I’m not going to read the fine print of the tournament rules to find out whether or not CCM allowed it, but just on the face of it, seems like cheating. I expected a lot more from the Bears organization. They had been doing a good job, why blow it by letting 04s play in an 05 division?
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Congratulations to the Bears2 for entering the Chicago CCM 05 AAA division this past weekend and making it to the quarterfinals by playing their 04s in an 05 tournament. But hey, whatever it takes to win a few games right?? Seems like the wrong lesson to teach your kids.
I didn't think most birth year tournaments allowed overage kids (especially multiple kids.) That would surprise me if CCM Chicago Tourney allow it.
Yeah they wouldn't allow overage kids. But the younger kids could play up. At least that would be my understanding but I don't know for sure.
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It’s a fact that the Bear 04 kids played in the 05 division. I’m not going to read the fine print of the tournament rules to find out whether or not CCM allowed it, but just on the face of it, seems like cheating. I expected a lot more from the Bears organization. They had been doing a good job, why blow it by letting 04s play in an 05 division?
Allowing 04s to play in 05 division would fall on the tournament director instead of the club, no?
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If true, it's pretty smarmy on the Bears part,regardless of the tournament's stance. If true.
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Congratulations to the Bears2 for entering the Chicago CCM 05 AAA division this past weekend and making it to the quarterfinals by playing their 04s in an 05 tournament. But hey, whatever it takes to win a few games right?? Seems like the wrong lesson to teach your kids.
I didn't think most birth year tournaments allowed overage kids (especially multiple kids.) That would surprise me if CCM Chicago Tourney allow it.
It is my understanding that most of the Bears 2 kids are '05s with one or two '04s or perhaps a few more. It is difficult outside of AAA teams to create a single birth year team. In Bantam flight 1 this year, probably only Bears I, Saints 1 and Ducks 2 in So Cal are birth year teams and in flight 2 the Saints 2 are maybe the only birth year team in So Cal. What is more appropriate to require that mixed birth year teams not play in major tournaments, leave a couple of '04 team members home, or have a predominantly '05 team play up? There ought to be a reasonable solution like no more than 3 older players on a predominantly minor team. I may be naive but, as a non Bears parent, the team did well and should be acknowledged for that and if approved by the tournament, how is it cheating? I think leaving a few kids home teaches a worse lesson and not participating has an opportunity cost.
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If you have a 2004 player on your roster - you 100% are CHEATING if you play in an 05 division....
It's ok, next time don't cheat. Play up or don't go...
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I like the logic. This way, since it’s hard to get an all girls team together, we can put three or four boys on the team. Who cares if it is an all girls tournament? Chill out with the rules. Brave new world. Everything that benefits my situation goes. Hell with things that don’t. Full mad max thunder dome situation .
I’m ready. Drop the puck.
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In the bears defense, their 04s on that team not their strongest players. Mostly kids that have been with club a few years and were not able to make the Peaties.(spelling ?)
Anyone have more insight ?
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For these tournaments, as a standard you have to submit your USA roster so I'm sure it wasn't a surprise to the CCM tournament. So I think we can rule out the "intent".
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Say it ain’t so, Mo!
The Bears know better than to enter major year kids in a minor year category and it destroys the appearance of integrity for the tournament to have knowingly slowed this. I am now left wondering if the 6 foot 200 lb kid was actually a pee wee or just an exception to the rules that every other team followed.
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So why does the Bantam A level get 4 pre season SCAHA games and 16 season games but Bantam AA only gets 3 pre season SCAHA games and 8 or 9 flight 1 or 2 SCAHA games? Something isn’t right? Bantam AA you pay way more for your season. Yes I know, we play CAHA games, but that is an extra charge? Appears that it shouldn’t be since we are missing some ice slots.
It's been like that as long as I've been around. You probably pay more because of your practice slots. Most Tier teams get full ice practices or more hours of practice than an A or B team. Coaches also get paid more.
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Say it ain’t so, Mo!
The Bears know better than to enter major year kids in a minor year category and it destroys the appearance of integrity for the tournament to have knowingly slowed this. I am know left wondering if the 6 foot 200 lb kid was actually a pee wee or just an exception to the rules that every other team followed.
Hey 4th!
I really dont have any insight into anything. I was just stating that tournaments are aware of these things.
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I'm not a Bears parent, but seems like a lot of negative energy spent on a team that didn't advance past the quarter final in a tourney that doesn't impact the CAHA season at all. That said, if Bears-2 sandbagged it, hopefully their opponents will snap them back to reality in Vacaville.
I have no reason to doubt the integrity of the CCM Invite, but some of those midwestern teams playing '04 had corn-fed boys that looked like they could toss a hay-bale with one hand! :-\ The win/loss records didn't necessarily reflect it, but all the CAHA teams playing '04 AAA put up a strong showing for hockey in CA from what I saw.
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From what I know of the team Bears2 has 5 or 6 04's on the roster. One is a goalie.
The CCM tourney certainly knows the birth year of the teams and players involved so it's probable that they needed a team to fill out the division and invited the Bears to be that team.
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Who cares, it’s over.
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Hey PUCKS how did ya do against the BEARS!??? lol yeah thought so. Oh moral victory right? Only lost by 2! Loser!
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Hey PUCKS how did ya do against the BEARS!??? lol yeah thought so. Oh moral victory right? Only lost by 2! Loser!
Hahahahahaha!!!! Gee, I don’t know how our team did! We didn’t play thee bears!
Skates uh I mean pucks is on the other OC 2 team that lost 0-6, 0-10 and not sure of the final game.
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Whatever u wanna say. It’s pretty black and WHITE, who you are. Everyone knows but go on with your story. Deuce brothers!!!!!
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The Wave blew their Wad-a. What happened to this once powerful travel club? Did they lose kids to that recruiting factory in Burbank?
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The Wave blew their Wad-a. What happened to this once powerful travel club? Did they lose kids to that recruiting factory in Burbank?
Wouldn't say they were blown out...they kept it close and at one point were tied. Do know that one of their kids did not play.
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The Wave blew their Wad-a. What happened to this once powerful travel club? Did they lose kids to that recruiting factory in Burbank?
it was far from a blow out, they kept it close for the majority of the game, and one of the players didn't play either, should be a good matchup in the future
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This thread has gone the way of the Wada Wave ... circling the drain. The Wave were tied with the bears? Yea 0-0 when they started the game.
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This thread has gone the way of the Wada Wave ... circling the drain. The Wave were tied with the bears? Yea 0-0 when they started the game.
Wow, that is some real commitment to hating Wada Wave to post at 1:40 a.m. Not a Wave parent but have seem them play and they are a good, well coached team. They are flawed but which youth team isn't?
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Sophist, go stick a Turkey up your ass!!!
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Classy response Brazzey. Still leaves unaddressed your obsession with Wada Wave team.
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LOL obsession. Go Stick that Turkey 🦃 leg up ur ass! Ya fukin retard.
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LOL obsession. Go Stick that Turkey 🦃 leg up ur ass! Ya fukin retard.
Glad to see were in your thoughts WS.
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So how did everyone make out this past weekend? Looks like several did different things....not necessarily a tournament.
What about this upcoming weekend? Predictions?
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Any predictions for the weekend? Or is everyone still afraid of Westside? I mean Brazzers?
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Predictions? Wtf is there to predict? No ones beating the Fukin Bears. The rest is irrelevant. Voice in your head.. Now go ahead and tell me how your team kept it close against them and I’ll hook you up with a participation trophy.
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Predictions? Wtf is there to predict? No ones beating the Fukin Bears. The rest is irrelevant. Voice in your head.. Now go ahead and tell me how your team kept it close against them and I’ll hook you up with a participation trophy.
Brazzers how did your team do this past weekend?
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I predict the Flyers coach will not be able to control Brazzer this weekend and that our AAA player will never leave the ice.
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Time flies ????? Huh Flyers?
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So how'd everyone's games go this weekend? This thread is awfully quiet after a CAHA weekend.
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Wave 3-0 on the weekend...Took Wins against Both GSE squads and the Jr Kings
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It’s quiet because CAHA has killed hockey in California. Who wants to talk about the fact that Kings2 went minus 21, Bears2 went minus 13, and GSE1 went minus 6 for the weekend and yet still one of those teams is guaranteed a playoff spot and another has the right to play in for a spot. Doesn’t matter that these teams only have 2, 3, and 4 points respectively for the season. Once again congratulations to CAHA for making sure all games are competitive. This weekend was nothing but blowouts in each Flight.
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It’s quiet because CAHA has killed hockey in California. Who wants to talk about the fact that Kings2 went minus 21, Bears2 went minus 13, and GSE1 went minus 6 for the weekend and yet still one of those teams is guaranteed a playoff spot and another has the right to play in for a spot. Doesn’t matter that these teams only have 2, 3, and 4 points respectively for the season. Once again congratulations to CAHA for making sure all games are competitive. This weekend was nothing but blowouts in each Flight.
Hopefully, this will be then end of this experiment... They should have dropped the bottom four in Flight 2 to A and only had one Flight.
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It’s quiet because CAHA has killed hockey in California. Who wants to talk about the fact that Kings2 went minus 21, Bears2 went minus 13, and GSE1 went minus 6 for the weekend and yet still one of those teams is guaranteed a playoff spot and another has the right to play in for a spot. Doesn’t matter that these teams only have 2, 3, and 4 points respectively for the season. Once again congratulations to CAHA for making sure all games are competitive. This weekend was nothing but blowouts in each Flight.
I'm sure I'm missing something, but of the 15 games in Flight I this weekend, more than half were decided by 2 goals or less. The Flight II games were almost as close on average. There were some blowouts, but this wasn't a weekend of "nothing but blowouts in each flight." Personally I don't like the flight system for other reasons, and a couple of teams might be in the wrong flight, but in terms of making games "competitive" how was the old system better? Does anyone really want their weekends filled with Bears 1 vs. Empire, or Wave 1 vs. OC2?
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It’s quiet because CAHA has killed hockey in California. Who wants to talk about the fact that Kings2 went minus 21, Bears2 went minus 13, and GSE1 went minus 6 for the weekend and yet still one of those teams is guaranteed a playoff spot and another has the right to play in for a spot. Doesn’t matter that these teams only have 2, 3, and 4 points respectively for the season. Once again congratulations to CAHA for making sure all games are competitive. This weekend was nothing but blowouts in each Flight.
I'm sure I'm missing something, but of the 15 games in Flight I this weekend, more than half were decided by 2 goals or less. The Flight II games were almost as close on average. There were some blowouts, but this wasn't a weekend of "nothing but blowouts in each flight." Personally I don't like the flight system for other reasons, and a couple of teams might be in the wrong flight, but in terms of making games "competitive" how was the old system better? Does anyone really want their weekends filled with Bears 1 vs. Empire, or Wave 1 vs. OC2?
CAHA needs to grow a pair and drop teams that do not belong in AA.
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Strawman - that’s exactly the point...what makes your team so much better than the top 4 Flight2 teams that their weekend should be filled with playing Empire and OC2, but not yours?? And winning by 5, 7, 8 and 12 goals aren’t blowouts? But I guess you prefer your easy wins over Kings2 and Bears2 much better than playing the top 4 Flight2 teams where the games wouldn’t be so easy. SkatingDad is right on point.
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I saw some great games this weekend, Bears-1 is a very good team but those teams that go undefeated get eliminated all the time in the playoff's so I wouldn't count them as state champs just yet! As for the flight system, I think it's been good for hockey, a few tweeks could really make it great! The top 4 teams in flight-2 could beat the bottom 4 flight-1 teams on any given day!
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Spoken like a true Wave parent. Keep the dream alive that you will beat Bears1 or that you could beat the top 4 Flight2 teams in a CAHA weekend. But we will never know because CAHA put you in a protected class based on what...your stellar performance at the Jamboree????
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CAHA needs to grow a pair and drop teams that do not belong in AA.
I'm confused by the above statement...
On a side note, IIRC Wave and OC actually do know a thing or two about bouncing undefeated teams, which led to the creation of the flight system. So really, blame GSE.
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Strawman - that’s exactly the point...what makes your team so much better than the top 4 Flight2 teams that their weekend should be filled with playing Empire and OC2, but not yours?? And winning by 5, 7, 8 and 12 goals aren’t blowouts? But I guess you prefer your easy wins over Kings2 and Bears2 much better than playing the top 4 Flight2 teams where the games wouldn’t be so easy. SkatingDad is right on point.
I'm sorry, but you must have me confused with someone else. My kid doesn't play in either bantam flight so I have no particular axe to grind. Last year his team was stuck in Flight 2 and we found it incredibly frustrating, mainly because there was no meaningful playoff spot to compete for. But to be honest, if they had been in Flight 1 they might have lost every game they played, which would have been miserable too. So as far as "competitiveness" is concerned, if I'm being completely honest, they were slotted correctly.
Note that my post said I do not like the flight system, so I don't know how you could conclude that I support it, except that you can't read or just want to hear yourself bloviate. But the idea that the flight system leads to more "blowouts" and fewer "competitive" games than the alternative (which is the only point to which I was responding) is complete and utter nonsense.
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It’s quiet because CAHA has killed hockey in California. Who wants to talk about the fact that Kings2 went minus 21, Bears2 went minus 13, and GSE1 went minus 6 for the weekend and yet still one of those teams is guaranteed a playoff spot and another has the right to play in for a spot. Doesn’t matter that these teams only have 2, 3, and 4 points respectively for the season. Once again congratulations to CAHA for making sure all games are competitive. This weekend was nothing but blowouts in each Flight.
Hopefully, this will be then end of this experiment... They should have dropped the bottom four in Flight 2 to A and only had one Flight.
I cant see this being the end of Flighting, just because of some blowouts. Shit, teams now are being built around the flighting system. By having minor and major birth year teams put together to have minor year play flight 2 and major year play flight 1, teams are planning on being flight 2 to start with.
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I predict the Flyers coach will not be able to control Brazzer this weekend and that our AAA player will never leave the ice.
So did WestBrazzerSide's AAA player hold it together for the weekend ?
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Trans are you still butt-hurt over the near decapitation of the Wave player last year? Worry about your little one and his kneeing suspension. Speaking of knees, how are yours holding up On your 650lb frame.
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Trans are you still butt-hurt over the near decapitation of the Wave player last year? Worry about your little one and his kneeing suspension. Speaking of knees, how are yours holding up On your 650lb frame.
Doing well, thanx. Nice you know me and my East Los Wave are constantly on your mind. I pictured you at 1 40ish A.M, sitting on your couch, in your stained Wave belly shirt covering your 375 lbs frame (650 lbs is too much embellishment), putting lipstick on wearing garters :o [size=78%], typing away thinking about us Awsomely Cool Wave parents. [/size]
You are obviously accustomed to looking at the suspension list to see if you AAAer is going to be playing this week. I just found out about this list this year.
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Funny 140am. More like 1040 pm in Maui on Turkey day. Thank you for sharing your Transexual fantasy’s with the board. Now we really know what Trans stands for!
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Funny 140am. More like 1040 pm in Maui on Turkey day. Thank you for sharing your Transexual fantasy’s with the board. Now we really know what Trans stands for!
Was that you winter migration to warmer waters ?
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Yea, something like that. Tranny guy.
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Trans are you still butt-hurt over the near decapitation of the Wave player last year? Worry about your little one and his kneeing suspension. Speaking of knees, how are yours holding up On your 650lb frame.
Truth is that lil goalie should probably count his lucky stars for somehow weaseling out of a one year suspension and instead just serving 3 months and somehow have CAHA keep in on the DL. Kid is literally on thin ice and running out of teams to play for and one strike away from getting the boot from SCAHA/CAHA... Not sure if this is something you should go boasting around.
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Hey Brazzers, how did your Flyers do this weekend? And what’s up with taking advantage of being the host team and warming up on the pond before your games? You know the old adage...cheaters never prosper. Seems to apply.
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Wow rough weekend for the Flyers ;D ;D ;D
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Justanotheridiothockeydad
Lmao. Thin ice? Lmao. Don’t think so! Off to prep school in April. Enjoy your Caha. Running outta teams? Funny when teams come calling. Oh the things you wish you knew. You u wanna talk shit about my kid step up in person don’t hide behind ur keyboard puzzy.
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This entire board should be changed to Wavehockey.com. It’s dominated by the same 4 Wave parents with 14 different screen names. Justanotherhockeyfag.
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Justanotheridiothockeydad
Lmao. Thin ice? Lmao. Don’t think so! Off to prep school in April. Enjoy your Caha. Running outta teams? Funny when teams come calling. Oh the things you wish you knew. You u wanna talk shit about my kid step up in person don’t hide behind ur keyboard puzzy.
There it is, Westside finally outs himself.
Tell me what part of what I stated was untrue. Funny that the truth nowadays actually gets people all bent out of shape. How bout you texting mom saying the goalie was actually hit before he went on to swing his stick? Now that's a pure lie. Goalie was never touched at any moment, I have video and your text to prove it.
Teams come calling? Good for him. I've actually refrained from talking about your kid, even after what he did. I never said anything because I actually feel bad for him. You're the one bring up ancient history so don't get all pissy when I tell the truth.
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Hey MODERATOR GOstick this website up you ass. You said no talking about kids? Fuck you
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LOL. That was classic stick work. Go film some more and cry
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LOL. That was classic stick work. Go film some more and cry
The only one here crying is you.
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Tears of joy!!
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Wave goes 1-3 on a weekend and the board is silent. They win 3 in a row and BOOM they can’t stop talking about how they gonna beat the Bears.
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You guys talk shit about 13 year old boys. How Pathetic.
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You guys talk shit about 13 year old boys. How Pathetic.
Says the guy who starts shit, then gets all mad when others call him out on his shit.
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You put your nose in business it don’t belong.
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Mad!? Never. You obviously don’t know me.
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Mad!? Never. You obviously don’t know me.
Well if you ain't mad, then it's all good, why bring up ancient history? We've all moved on and frankly I've almost forgotten about it until you brought it up.
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Justanotheridiothockeydad
Lmao. Thin ice? Lmao. Don’t think so! Off to prep school in April. Enjoy your Caha. Running outta teams? Funny when teams come calling. Oh the things you wish you knew. You u wanna talk shit about my kid step up in person don’t hide behind ur keyboard puzzy.
Spirited day of CalHockey... but, uh, just to clarify... and this is kind of awkward for everyone... but the Kern County Knights aren't a prep school. Sorry. It's just a team in the LA Kings HS Hockey League. :'(
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Jackbendshisassover
Trying to get in on the action. Another shit talker hiding behind his keyboard tryin to make jokes. Don’t be jealous bruh.
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You peeps are pretty much dull individuals living vicariously through your children while talking shit and hiding (I give Trans Credit as most know who he is) behind ur computer. Truth is most you were punked and bullied as youngsters. You are the people who are quick to turn shit into caha and make Anonymous phone calls to complain. Nothing here but a bunch of PUSSIES who complain and whine about EVERYTHING. SO LONG CALHOCKEY. I’m retiring. 🖕🖕
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Jackbendshisassover
Trying to get in on the action. Another shit talker hiding behind his keyboard tryin to make jokes. Don’t be jealous bruh.
I am jealous! Those Kern County Knights were a strong, strong team last year! Not sure of the standings... doesn't matter... 'cause in the LA Kings High School League, everyone is a winner!!! Yay!! Enjoy yourself, sunshine... and here comes a BUKKAKE FACE WASH!!! :'( :'( :'(
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You peeps are pretty much dull individuals living vicariously through your children while talking shit and hiding (I give Trans Credit as most know who he is) behind ur computer. Truth is most you were punked and bullied as youngsters. You are the people who are quick to turn shit into caha and make Anonymous phone calls to complain. Nothing here but a bunch of PUSSIES who complain and whine about EVERYTHING. SO LONG CALHOCKEY. I’m retiring. 🖕🖕
Everyone! The short bus is leaving, the short bus is leaving! No, but who will we laugh and point at now?! No Westside?! And now no Brazzers?! What has the world come to??? Oh, well... until you decide to return for more punishment... au revoire!!
Note: Au Revoire is French for "goodbye, moron."
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is BRAZZERS the reincarnation of CRASH??????
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You peeps are pretty much dull individuals living vicariously through your children while talking shit and hiding (I give Trans Credit as most know who he is) behind ur computer. Truth is most you were punked and bullied as youngsters. You are the people who are quick to turn shit into caha and make Anonymous phone calls to complain. Nothing here but a bunch of PUSSIES who complain and whine about EVERYTHING. SO LONG CALHOCKEY. I’m retiring. 🖕🖕
I'm all choked up at the props thrown my way. :-*
But is leaving, then coming back with another screen name really leaving ?
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The troll might have returned to his bridge for a brief hibernation... but he will be back. Rest assured, he will be back.
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Considering he took his screen name from his favorite website and his most prolific posts are in the middle of the night, I suspect Brazzers found a more suitable chat room, with like-minded people of similar interests... but likely his it will be short & sweet and we’ll hear his drunken foul mouth rampages again. My sympathy to his family!!
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WESTBRAZZERSIDE.......
WHERE ARE YOU ???
........LOVE, TRANS :-*
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When does the new Irvine ducks rink open up?
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VIP Sessions this last week. Final testing and tuning.
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Thread has been dead.....so this Caha weekends picks....
BEARS 2 VS JK2 JK2 BY 1
PEETYS GSE 1 PEETYS BY 8
GSE2 VS OC1 GSE 2 BY 3
SANTS 1 WW SAINTS BY 1
JD2 GSE2 GSE2 BY4
PEETYS OC1 PEETYS BY 4
GSE 1 VS SAINTS 1 SAINTS BY 5
PEETYS GSE 2 GSE BY 1 *UPSET SPECIAL*
WW VS JD2 WW BY 3
BEARS2 VS SAINTS 1 SAINTS 1 BY 5
GSE 2 GSE 1 GSE2 BY 5
JK2 VS OC1 OC 1 BY 2
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This board is dead. Just came off a CAHA weekend and no one is talking. I'll get it started since we know the Wave parents dominate the board and they don't want to talk because they had a crappier weekend then going 1-1-1 to bottom flight two teams. At least it's obvious what's going on here. Tons of practice time and no development year after year; star player whose line plays most of the game while rest of bench watches; tiny 05 on PP and playing 05 goalie over 04 goalie. But what's the deal with Wave? Great coach, super skilled players. Any Wave parent willing to explain what's going on over there? Meanwhile GSE1, Kings2 and Bears2 continue to make a mockery of CAHA flight system. But kudos to top 3 flight two teams for developing and most certainly could beat 6 of the flight one teams.
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Well, of GSE1, Kings2 and Bears2... only 1 will automatically make playdowns with the 7th seed (meet the Saints1!)... and the 8th seed will have to play their way in by beating the 1st seed from Flight 2 (probably Saints2), so it'll all work out as it should... especially with the reward being to play Bears1!! Enjoy. :o
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Hey Jack - it’s called play downs and not playoffs...apparently you have never made it to AA play downs because it doesn’t work as you described. So how do you figure “it all worked out as it should†when you don’t even know how the process works? I’m sure your predictions will work out just as well.
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Geez. I thought your New Year's resolution was to be less of a twat. It's not working out, cockslapper. I wrote "playdowns," so not sure what you're referring to. Regardless, playdowns means playoffs. Duh. We all know that. And it works exactly as I described. With 9 Flight 1 teams, top 7 teams make it in automatically. #8 team in Flight 1 plays #1 Flight 2 team to enter the tournament. The winner is the #8 seed in the playoffs (playdowns!!!) and plays the #1 seed (Bears1).
I'll bill accordingly for the lesson in being less of a moron. :-*
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Well Jack...thanks for livening up the board but with your language and anger you must be buddies with Brazzers. You probably figured it out by now...but it takes two losses to be knocked out of playdowns so these teams just don’t play Bears and Saints and go home. They get an equal chance to make the top 4, just as all teams in the playdowns do. They won’t be the only teams that have to face Bears and Saints. It’s just that either GSE1, Kings2 or Bears2 get a free pass to automatically make the playdowns.
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Just because we share a bunk bed does NOT mean we are buddies! Just the opposite!
I know how it works... but you were acting like those teams three were just waltzing in, when only one is automatic, one gets bounced, and one has to play the mightiest of the Flight 2 Titans to get in. That seems perfectly fine. If the top three teams want to advance out of Flight 2... then win Flight 2 and prove they're worthy.
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That last flight 2 CAHA game of Kings 1 vs. Saints 2 could be VERY interesting.
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The final CAHA weekend should prove VERY interesting. Bears 1, Saints, GSE 2, yeah, we all know they're the best. The rest shakes out kind of interesting. More interested in the Flight 2 at this point, as their top 3 look good as I think Time Flies pointed out. Overheard a Flight 2 parent upset their 2nd loss probably lost any chance at playdowns. 2 losses?? While they're all scraping for the chance, the majority of Flight 1 is oblivious. A tough road to hoe for any of those Flight 2, but could make for some good hockey next month and post season.
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I would agree with Bears and GSE 2 are the best. Definitely a tough road for Flight 2
The final CAHA weekend should prove VERY interesting. Bears 1, Saints, GSE 2, yeah, we all know they're the best. The rest shakes out kind of interesting. More interested in the Flight 2 at this point, as their top 3 look good as I think Time Flies pointed out. Overheard a Flight 2 parent upset their 2nd loss probably lost any chance at playdowns. 2 losses?? While they're all scraping for the chance, the majority of Flight 1 is oblivious. A tough road to hoe for any of those Flight 2, but could make for some good hockey next month and post season.
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I’m not a smart man, but I know what playoffs are, what in the world are “playdowns�
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I’m not a smart man, but I know what playoffs are, what in the world are “playdowns�
You go into the draw and you "play down" the tournament until you have 2 losses.
Oddly, the top 4 teams continue on to a finals round which uses the same format, so you can have situations where the last 2 teams can play each other 3 times before a team wins the championship.
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If a COACH calls a kid on an opposing team a "piece of shit " during a game, should that coach be upset if a parent calls him "a piece of shit" after a game ?
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If a COACH calls a kid on an opposing team a "piece of shit " during a game, should that coach be upset if a parent calls him "a piece of shit" after a game ?
Who cares if the adult is upset?
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Wow! I would say that it should be expected.
I am sure any parent would not like a coach to call their kid a piece of shit.
If a COACH calls a kid on an opposing team a "piece of shit " during a game, should that coach be upset if a parent calls him "a piece of shit" after a game ?
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If a COACH calls a kid on an opposing team a "piece of shit " during a game, should that coach be upset if a parent calls him "a piece of shit" after a game ?
Who cares if the adult is upset?
Do you mean coach or parent ?
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Was it the kid’s own coach or an opposing coach? How about when refs do this?
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Was it the kid’s own coach or an opposing coach? How about when refs do this?
Opposing coach.
Would hope a ref would never do this.
But then again wouldnt think a coach would do this.
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If a COACH calls a kid on an opposing team a "piece of shit " during a game, should that coach be upset if a parent calls him "a piece of shit" after a game ?
Who cares if the adult is upset?
Do you mean coach or parent ?
Ether in reality but, in this case the coach should be told he is 'a piece of shit" if he is telling a kid that.
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If a COACH calls a kid on an opposing team a "piece of shit " during a game, should that coach be upset if a parent calls him "a piece of shit" after a game ?
Who cares if the adult is upset?
Do you mean coach or parent ?
Ether in reality but, in this case the coach should be told he is 'a piece of shit" if he is telling a kid that.
It all depends if it was a CAHA game or a SCAHA game. CAHA guidelines read that any and all name calling must occur while time is still on the clock. SCAHA guidelines have no such limitations.
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If a COACH calls a kid on an opposing team a "piece of shit " during a game, should that coach be upset if a parent calls him "a piece of shit" after a game ?
Who cares if the adult is upset?
Do you mean coach or parent ?
Ether in reality but, in this case the coach should be told he is 'a piece of shit" if he is telling a kid that.
It all depends if it was a CAHA game or a SCAHA game. CAHA guidelines read that any and all name calling must occur while time is still on the clock. SCAHA guidelines have no such limitations.
So your saying it's ok for a coach to call a 14 year a "piece of shit" so as long as there is time on the clock ?
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I can't imagine that is what he would be saying and if so...I am sure that tune would change if it was his kid or a kid on his kids team.
If a COACH calls a kid on an opposing team a "piece of shit " during a game, should that coach be upset if a parent calls him "a piece of shit" after a game ?
Who cares if the adult is upset?
Do you mean coach or parent ?
Ether in reality but, in this case the coach should be told he is 'a piece of shit" if he is telling a kid that.
It all depends if it was a CAHA game or a SCAHA game. CAHA guidelines read that any and all name calling must occur while time is still on the clock. SCAHA guidelines have no such limitations.
So your saying it's ok for a coach to call a 14 year a "piece of shit" so as long as there is time on the clock ?
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Surely that was in jest
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Surely that was in jest
Don't call me Surely.
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I can't imagine that is what he would be saying and if so...I am sure that tune would change if it was his kid or a kid on his kids team.
If a COACH calls a kid on an opposing team a "piece of shit " during a game, should that coach be upset if a parent calls him "a piece of shit" after a game ?
Who cares if the adult is upset?
Do you mean coach or parent ?
Ether in reality but, in this case the coach should be told he is 'a piece of shit" if he is telling a kid that.
It all depends if it was a CAHA game or a SCAHA game. CAHA guidelines read that any and all name calling must occur while time is still on the clock. SCAHA guidelines have no such limitations.
So your saying it's ok for a coach to call a 14 year a "piece of shit" so as long as there is time on the clock ?
A scorekeeper once called my son an a hole during a tournament in Virginia when he was a squirt!
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Saints 6-2 Over OC1 in the Championship Game at Great Park Irvine to win BN AA MLK Tourney.
Also OC1 over (flight2) Ducks1 Last 2-1 and then 4-1 today in Semis, Ducks1 has improved a lot, very close game last night and today until 3/4 of the way through the 3rd was close as well.
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Good for them.
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Saints 6-2 Over OC1 in the Championship Game at Great Park Irvine to win BN AA MLK Tourney.
Also OC1 over (flight2) Ducks1 Last 2-1 and then 4-1 today in Semis, Ducks1 has improved a lot, very close game last night and today until 3/4 of the way through the 3rd was close as well.
Ducks1 also tied OC2 5-5
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OC2 (BNAA) is a much improved team. Congrats to their coach and the kids. They play hard.
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Looking at that tournament, it looks like OC2 has found a way to score some more goals. I saw they picked up a couple players. Good for them. They've had a tough season. Glad to see them improving. It shows a lot of grit, as they easily could've given up.
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Good for OC2. Were the added players just for the Pres Day tourney?
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Caha weekend picks
JK2 VS SAINTS SAINTS BY 5
BEARS WW BEARS BY 2
OC1 GSE 1 OC1 BY 2
BEARS 2 VS GSE 2 GSE 2 BY 5
WW GSE1 WW BY 3
SAINTS VS BEARS 1 BEARS BY 3
JK2 GSE 2 GSE BY 4
Bears 1 vs jd2 BEARS BY 5
GSE 2 WW GSE2 BY 2
JK 2 VS GSE 1 JK2 BY 1
SAINTS JD2 SAINTS BY 5
WW VS OC1 WW BY 2
GSE 1 BEARS 2 BEARS2 BY 3
JD2 VS JK2 PICK
Bears 2 VS OC OC BY 2
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Does anyone know the score of the AAA 05 Kings vs AA 05 Kings? I heard it was 2-1 AA winning the game. Confirm???
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Congratulations to all the teams moving on to States. Bears, Saints, Wave and OC1.
Was surprised to not see GSE 2 move on.
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Most of my post got eaten by the forum software :-\ All 4 teams played some good hockey in the last month. Anything could happen but I predict a Bears/Saints final, with slight edge to the Bears based on their initial round matchups.
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The team to beat IMO...... Saints big, strong skaters will exceptional goal tending.
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Does anyone know the score of the AAA 05 Kings vs AA 05 Kings? I heard it was 2-1 AA winning the game. Confirm???
That's cool if it happened, but it's an intra-org scrimmage. With that said, given much recent discussion the results in a Vegas president's day '05 AAA tournament are interesting given their 4-0 defeat of the Saints(2) AA '05 team. Not a blow out by any means, and then you can discover that the same Saints AA team lost 2-3 in OT to the 20th ranked '05 AAA Wisconsin Jr Gamblers, and beat lower ranked AAA teams (35+) from Colorado, Maryland and Madison Wisconsin.
WHAT A DISGRACE TO CALIFORNIA HOCKEY! There is clearly no talent in the state that could dare to challenge or compete with the existing kids or teams in AAA.
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The team to beat IMO...... Saints big, strong skaters will exceptional goal tending.
I would agree that the Saints are the team to beat...they are strong, physical and they have great goaltending.
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Did a bit of research on Saints(2) playing at the AAA level. Results are interesting to say the least.
It appears that the Saints(2)2005 team ended up ranked 5th in the country for 2005 AA per Myhockeyrankings.com. I am not sure how that ranking would correlate to AAA rankings but they did play quite a few games VS AAA teams through out the year and won quite a few of them. See list below of their game results. Looks like a close 5-4 loss to Sharks 2005AAA in Denver.
https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827
Good to see a California Birth Year team other than the Big Three(Kings, Ducks, Sharks) compete at the AAA level out of state.....and do well!!!
Also heard their coach has D1 coaching experience....looks like he is doing a good job with the kids down south. Congrats to the Saints....
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Did a bit of research on Saints(2) playing at the AAA level. Results are interesting to say the least.
It appears that the Saints(2)2005 team ended up ranked 5th in the country for 2005 AA per Myhockeyrankings.com. I am not sure how that ranking would correlate to AAA rankings but they did play quite a few games VS AAA teams through out the year and won quite a few of them. See list below of their game results. Looks like a close 5-4 loss to Sharks 2005AAA in Denver.
https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827 (https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827)
Good to see a California Birth Year team other than the Big Three(Kings, Ducks, Sharks) compete at the AAA level out of state.....and do well!!!
Also heard their coach has D1 coaching experience....looks like he is doing a good job with the kids down south. Congrats to the Saints....
2005 team is better than 2004 team in my opinion. They just need to grow a little over the summer.
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Did a bit of research on Saints(2) playing at the AAA level. Results are interesting to say the least.
It appears that the Saints(2)2005 team ended up ranked 5th in the country for 2005 AA per Myhockeyrankings.com. I am not sure how that ranking would correlate to AAA rankings but they did play quite a few games VS AAA teams through out the year and won quite a few of them. See list below of their game results. Looks like a close 5-4 loss to Sharks 2005AAA in Denver.
https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827 (https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827)
Good to see a California Birth Year team other than the Big Three(Kings, Ducks, Sharks) compete at the AAA level out of state.....and do well!!!
Also heard their coach has D1 coaching experience....looks like he is doing a good job with the kids down south. Congrats to the Saints....
2005 team is better than 2004 team in my opinion. They just need to grow a little over the summer.
Sorry, there is NO WAY the 05 team is better than the 04 team !!
And....
The 05 team has some NUTTY parents and remember, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
They are good, but I dont believe that can keep that team together. Few parents think their kids are the shit.
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Did a bit of research on Saints(2) playing at the AAA level. Results are interesting to say the least.
It appears that the Saints(2)2005 team ended up ranked 5th in the country for 2005 AA per Myhockeyrankings.com. I am not sure how that ranking would correlate to AAA rankings but they did play quite a few games VS AAA teams through out the year and won quite a few of them. See list below of their game results. Looks like a close 5-4 loss to Sharks 2005AAA in Denver.
https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827 (https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827)
Good to see a California Birth Year team other than the Big Three(Kings, Ducks, Sharks) compete at the AAA level out of state.....and do well!!!
Also heard their coach has D1 coaching experience....looks like he is doing a good job with the kids down south. Congrats to the Saints....
In answer to how it would correlate......they’d be ranked 63rd in country at AAA. 4th in CA.
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Did a bit of research on Saints(2) playing at the AAA level. Results are interesting to say the least.
It appears that the Saints(2)2005 team ended up ranked 5th in the country for 2005 AA per Myhockeyrankings.com. I am not sure how that ranking would correlate to AAA rankings but they did play quite a few games VS AAA teams through out the year and won quite a few of them. See list below of their game results. Looks like a close 5-4 loss to Sharks 2005AAA in Denver.
https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827 (https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827)
Good to see a California Birth Year team other than the Big Three(Kings, Ducks, Sharks) compete at the AAA level out of state.....and do well!!!
Also heard their coach has D1 coaching experience....looks like he is doing a good job with the kids down south. Congrats to the Saints....
2005 team is better than 2004 team in my opinion. They just need to grow a little over the summer.
Sorry, there is NO WAY the 05 team is better than the 04 team !!
And....
The 05 team has some NUTTY parents and remember, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
They are good, but I dont believe that can keep that team together. Few parents think their kids are the shit.
Tranny I know your reading comprehension is not good
"2005 team is better than the 2004 team. They just need to grow a little over the summer"
Meaning they are more skilled but, need to get bigger. I never said they can beat them then need to grow.
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Did a bit of research on Saints(2) playing at the AAA level. Results are interesting to say the least.
It appears that the Saints(2)2005 team ended up ranked 5th in the country for 2005 AA per Myhockeyrankings.com. I am not sure how that ranking would correlate to AAA rankings but they did play quite a few games VS AAA teams through out the year and won quite a few of them. See list below of their game results. Looks like a close 5-4 loss to Sharks 2005AAA in Denver.
https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827 (https://myhockeyrankings.com/team_info.php?y=2018&t=15827)
Good to see a California Birth Year team other than the Big Three(Kings, Ducks, Sharks) compete at the AAA level out of state.....and do well!!!
Also heard their coach has D1 coaching experience....looks like he is doing a good job with the kids down south. Congrats to the Saints....
2005 team is better than 2004 team in my opinion. They just need to grow a little over the summer.
Sorry, there is NO WAY the 05 team is better than the 04 team !!
And....
The 05 team has some NUTTY parents and remember, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
They are good, but I dont believe that can keep that team together. Few parents think their kids are the shit.
Tranny I know your reading comprehension is not good
"2005 team is better than the 2004 team. They just need to grow a little over the summer"
Meaning they are more skilled but, need to get bigger. I never said they can beat them then need to grow.
They can each grow a foot and they could not beat the 04s.
Btw, you still having trouble coloring inside the lines ?
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Good luck to all four teams playing in this weekend State Finals
My rankings
1) Saints
2) Bears
3)Half Offs
3) WW
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Good luck to all four teams playing in this weekend State Finals
My rankings
1) Saints
2) Bears
3)Half Offs
3) WW
1) WW
2) Saints
3) Bears
4) Half Offs
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Agree with Trans
1. Saints
2. Bears
3. OC
4. WW
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Congratulations to the Bears in winning States.
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Congrats to the Bears and Wave on going to Nationals.
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Agree with Trans
1. Saints
2. Bears
3. OC
4. WW
Final:
1. Bears
2. WW
3. Saints
4. OC
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On a brighter note......
Good luck to the Bears at Nationals. I look for them to make some noise in South Bend.
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On a brighter note......
Good luck to the Bears at Nationals. I look for them to make some noise in South Bend.
Considering that some of the teams in the Nationals are pretty bad, the Bears weren't done any favors in the Scheduling. Can't even pinpoint what team "Canton" is (prep school?) and then they have to play the #8 ranked team.
Wishing them some puck luck and hoping they make a run at a Banner.
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Tough sledding for Bears. They lost their first 2 games.
Got outshot by a St. Lawrence Steel team in what on paper looks like a really close game, losing 4-3. The Steel team, plays in the Ontario Minor Hockey league, but got their bid by winning the New York state 14u state championship. The Bears then outshot Chesterfield, MO team 31-20 and came out with a 2-5 loss.
Seems that all 4 teams in the division were top of the Tier2 food chain, but unfortunately for the Bears they didn't get the results they needed to move on.
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So how many Bantam AA 05 and 06 teams will there be next season and coaching?
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Tough sledding for Bears. They lost their first 2 games.
Got outshot by a St. Lawrence Steel team in what on paper looks like a really close game, losing 4-3. The Steel team, plays in the Ontario Minor Hockey league, but got their bid by winning the New York state 14u state championship. The Bears then outshot Chesterfield, MO team 31-20 and came out with a 2-5 loss.
Seems that all 4 teams in the division were top of the Tier2 food chain, but unfortunately for the Bears they didn't get the results they needed to move on.
This really goes to show the effect a draw can have on your chances, not to mention a bit of puck luck. Gotta wonder about things like seeding, when you have 4 top notch teams in the same division. Bears outshot the eventual national champions. Who knows what might have happened if they got another shot at them.