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Hockey Discussions => Bantam Hockey => Topic started by: Knuckle Puck on April 01, 2019, 11:05:13 AM
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not the national news that the socal hockey scene wishes for
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/hockey/2019/04/01/youth-hockey-team-suspends-coaches-players-after-anti-semitic-video/3331935002/
https://theathletic.com/896272/2019/04/01/los-angeles-based-youth-hockey-program-suspends-players-coaches-over-anti-semitic-video/
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https://www.si.com/nhl/2019/04/01/los-angeles-youth-hockey-team-anti-semetic-video-suspension (https://www.si.com/nhl/2019/04/01/los-angeles-youth-hockey-team-anti-semetic-video-suspension)
https://nypost.com/2019/04/01/youth-hockey-team-suspended-over-anti-semitic-video/ (https://nypost.com/2019/04/01/youth-hockey-team-suspended-over-anti-semitic-video/)
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It is truly a shame...at this age there are no teenage boys that are innocent of saying stupid things. If ANY team would be recorded and publicized then I am sure that at one point or another they would all be suspended.
However there seems to be more to this than what is being said and from my understanding the JK group is not being allowed to even defend themselves.
Truly a life lesson.
One should not cast stones while standing in a glass house.
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Lots of things went wrong there, although 14 year olds lacking in common sense and maturity should not be a surprise to anyone who has had a teenager under their roof.
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I have a hard time believing the entire team was complicit, but it’s a good lesson about guilt by association.
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From what I understand per the article in The Athletic, the team was already on probation stemming from an early infraction violating social media policy (unclear if it was the clubs policy or USA Hockey). Either way the team and coaches apparently were reminded and educated on proper social media behavior. This was not the first time members of this team had been making poor decisions. My question is where are the parents in all of this? Yes, teenagers can do some pretty stupid and short sighted antics, but after the first issue you would think that everyone, including the parents would be extra cautious. I hope we can all learn from this: adults need to supervise groups of teens, talk to them about hate speech, the dangers of social media and what it means to be guilty by association.
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It is truly a shame...at this age there are no teenage boys that are innocent of saying stupid things. If ANY team would be recorded and publicized then I am sure that at one point or another they would all be suspended.
However there seems to be more to this than what is being said and from my understanding the JK group is not being allowed to even defend themselves.
Truly a life lesson.
One should not cast stones while standing in a glass house.
Not sure what you mean, InDZone. What’s been reported is that JK took absolutely no action for three weeks before finally imposing “suspensions†— after letting the players finish out their season with no consequences. CAHA still hasn’t done anything. It remains to be seen whether there will be any actual discipline.
It looks like the JK decided to impose these “post-season suspensions†(whatever that means) only after reporters started sniffing around and their affiliated NHL club became embarrassed abiut the bad publicity. Everyone talks a big game about “zero tolerance†for this kind of thing, but the reality is still usually “boys will be boys.†The only life lesson here (apart from “it’s good to be a Kingâ€) is don’t be a hypocrite. Eventually somebody will call you on it, and then ... your feelings might get hurt.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-players-coaches-suspended-nazi-salute-20190401-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-players-coaches-suspended-nazi-salute-20190401-story.html)
https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/l-a-jr-kings-coaches-players-suspended-after-reported-anti/article_8e49a56b-2c08-507c-b74f-b8b269d53d90.html (https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/l-a-jr-kings-coaches-players-suspended-after-reported-anti/article_8e49a56b-2c08-507c-b74f-b8b269d53d90.html)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jewishjournal.com/news/los_angeles/296167/l-a-junior-hockey-team-suspended-for-anti-semitic-video/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/jewishjournal.com/news/los_angeles/296167/l-a-junior-hockey-team-suspended-for-anti-semitic-video/amp/)
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Strawman while I agree with what you mostly say you cannot say that any locker room or any group of teenage boys do not say or do stupid things. Unless somehow you ended up with a perfect locker room.Many times they are not known of because they are not always displayed on social media.
While I understand that you have an "issue" with the Kings the fact that 15 kids were suspended till further evaluation seems a bit much since it seems to be that only a few of them said anything on the video.
I don't have a dog in this fight but I do hope that what is fair and just takes place.
Hypocrisy comes in many forms...whether its right in your face or you turn and run away from reality.
It is truly a shame...at this age there are no teenage boys that are innocent of saying stupid things. If ANY team would be recorded and publicized then I am sure that at one point or another they would all be suspended.
However there seems to be more to this than what is being said and from my understanding the JK group is not being allowed to even defend themselves.
Truly a life lesson.
One should not cast stones while standing in a glass house.
Not sure what you mean, InDZone. What’s been reported is that JK took absolutely no action for three weeks before finally imposing “suspensions†— after letting the players finish out their season with no consequences. CAHA still hasn’t done anything. It remains to be seen whether there will be any actual discipline.
It looks like the JK decided to impose these “post-season suspensions†(whatever that means) only after reporters started sniffing around and their affiliated NHL club became embarrassed abiut the bad publicity. Everyone talks a big game about “zero tolerance†for this kind of thing, but the reality is still usually “boys will be boys.†The only life lesson here (apart from “it’s good to be a Kingâ€) is don’t be a hypocrite. Eventually somebody will call you on it, and then ... your feelings might get hurt.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-players-coaches-suspended-nazi-salute-20190401-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-players-coaches-suspended-nazi-salute-20190401-story.html)
https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/l-a-jr-kings-coaches-players-suspended-after-reported-anti/article_8e49a56b-2c08-507c-b74f-b8b269d53d90.html (https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/l-a-jr-kings-coaches-players-suspended-after-reported-anti/article_8e49a56b-2c08-507c-b74f-b8b269d53d90.html)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jewishjournal.com/news/los_angeles/296167/l-a-junior-hockey-team-suspended-for-anti-semitic-video/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/jewishjournal.com/news/los_angeles/296167/l-a-junior-hockey-team-suspended-for-anti-semitic-video/amp/)
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My comment about hypocrisy wasn’t aimed at you, InDZone, and I’m sorry if it came across that way. I don’t dispute that everyone does things they regret. But we learned what’s right because the adults in our lives showed us that there are consequences for doing stupid things, and this whole situation just smacks of a bunch of adults praying it would all just go away before they had to do anything about it. Now they’re panicking by belatedly handing out random “suspensions,†which aren’t really suspensions at all, to limit the PR fallout from their having done nothing. I fault the adults and the organization here at least as much as the kids, for failing to set a good example by just doing the right thing at the outset. You know you’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere when the Simon Wiesenthal center publicly condemns you.
We hear so much talk nowadays about “zero tolerance†for certain things, especially from CAHA and the big clubs, but usually it’s all hat and no cattle.
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Nazi salutes and anti-Semitic statements are not normal locker room stupidity, and shouldn’t be minimized or excused as such. This is the second high profile incident like this in SoCal in the past couple months. Clearly, there are a lot of parents that didn’t recognize a teachable moment then, and probably still don’t.
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I am not condoning this behavior but, the "Nazi Salute" was the Roman Salute before the Nazi's adopted it. The Roman were way worse than the Nazi's regarding human rights violations. I have not seen the video but, maybe they were acting like Romans which still warrants corrective action.
These types of things and way worse happened in midwest high school football locker rooms. Everyone was not a snowflake back then also, the media was not using things like this to divide the population. The major news organizations are using the stupidity of 14 year old boys as propaganda to further their agenda. The boys simply need to be thought that this is not acceptable behavior which comes from the parents.
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Whenever someone starts by saying “I’m not condoning Nazism but ...,†you know that what follows is going to be really special.
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Whenever someone starts by saying “I’m not condoning Nazism but ...,†you know that what follows is going to be really special.
It is for the snowflakes
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You don’t have to be a snowflake to take issue with minimizing fascism and anti-semitism. And nothing destroys a team like racial, religious etc hatred.
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You don’t have to be a snowflake to take issue with minimizing fascism and anti-semitism. And nothing destroys a team like racial, religious etc hatred.
See, this is the problem with discussing this. It is a no win situation as there is no way for someone to prove or disprove that they are prejudice against race, religion, etc. The guilt by association of the boys who were innocent by standards is not right.
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It would be interesting to see what people’s responses would be if it turns out that the team was incorrectly prosecuted.
Everyone seems to be quick to jump on the attack bandwagon without having actual facts.
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It will interesting to see how people react when/if parents from the Westside ($) send video out so audio to gets clean up and
to find that the JKs were right .
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I do feel bad for the kids. Lots of stupid stuff done by teens. It is a failure of coaches and parents, but let's get this straight. CAHA and the club do nothing here and basically nothing happens on this (how is that possible?) until a season ends and a news story is about to come out. It appears to me in suspending the players the Jr Kings were tipped that this story was going to come out.
And right around the time this was was happening CAHA was threatening to suspend a coach and tier team for a season if his flight 1 team didn't make a play in game that the families and the club had no clue they were going to have less than a month earlier, a game they offered to forfeit. This ruined a trip for many at a cost of thousands, disrupted travel and basically the fielding of two teams comprised of 6 players each in two locations. An event so pathetic and pitiful it garnered international news as the opposing Canadian team looked at them and said, "Do you need some help playing this game?"
Lastly, a distorted and corrupted system that feeds players only into the very biggest of clubs, gets called out time and again on this board and exposed in so many ways that it makes light of a lack of hockey development in this state that runs contrary to just about everywhere else. Probably half of the kids on that AAA team are headed out of California next year.
Wow, nice one guys, that is one seriously messed up year. Do you think you can try to do a little bit better moving forward?
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It will interesting to see how people react when/if parents from the Westside ($) send video out so audio to gets clean up and
to find that the JKs were right .
People would indeed be shocked if the video were circulated, but in the opposite way.
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You don’t have to be a snowflake to take issue with minimizing fascism and anti-semitism. And nothing destroys a team like racial, religious etc hatred.
See, this is the problem with discussing this. It is a no win situation as there is no way for someone to prove or disprove that they are prejudice against race, religion, etc. The guilt by association of the boys who were innocent by standards is not right.
The problems only start when folks say “I don’t condone Nazis but ...â€. Just stop before the “but.†Problem solved.
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Exactly
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Rhetorical question:
Is anyone surprised that CAHA still hasn’t done anything, a month later?
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You don’t have to be a snowflake to take issue with minimizing fascism and anti-semitism. And nothing destroys a team like racial, religious etc hatred.
See, this is the problem with discussing this. It is a no win situation as there is no way for someone to prove or disprove that they are prejudice against race, religion, etc. The guilt by association of the boys who were innocent by standards is not right.
The problems only start when folks say “I don’t condone Nazis but ...â€. Just stop before the “but.†Problem solved.
And when you do not do that the snowflakes all think you are one. Again a no win situation if you want to actually discuss any thing that slightly goes against what the mass media is pushing.
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You don’t have to be a snowflake to take issue with minimizing fascism and anti-semitism. And nothing destroys a team like racial, religious etc hatred.
See, this is the problem with discussing this. It is a no win situation as there is no way for someone to prove or disprove that they are prejudice against race, religion, etc. The guilt by association of the boys who were innocent by standards is not right.
The problems only start when folks say “I don’t condone Nazis but ...â€. Just stop before the “but.†Problem solved.
And when you do not do that the snowflakes all think you are one. Again a no win situation if you want to actually discuss any thing that slightly goes against what the mass media is pushing.
Part of the problem, it seems, is that every teams has "leaders" or perhaps more accurately, dominant personalities, which may reflect an implicit hierarchy on the team. If the "leader" or "leaders" think that racism, fascism, or religious bigotry is funny or trivial, then the other kids, who may well disagree but are shy about speaking up, will get caught up in the fallout if those beliefs and behaviors go public. It is hard for me to believe that all 15 kids share those beliefs. But not a lot of 14 year olds have the skills, experience, or guts to speak up and say, "this is wrong and it is definitely not funny." With the obsession with developing their hockey skills and on winning, why would the kids, their parents, or coaches find time or have an inclination to develop those other, life or civil society, skills. Someone, somewhere in the lives of these young men needs to see that the others on the team need learn something about empowerment or speaking up for what is right. This is a challenge since the teen years are largely about finding acceptance and getting along. The kid who might speak up, if any, will probably be seen as an outcast on the team. Teams and coaches probably don't value that and the more the team travels, the less likely a kid will survive as an outcast. If coaches and parents have a responsibility, it is not knowing much about the true dynamics of the team or not wanting to know about those dynamics. But painting each kid with the same brush is unfair. The true nature of the team "leader/s" is unclear but suspect. Scapegoating "snowflakes" or the media is not helpful and deflects attention from the problem of how toxic culture evolves in any group.
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Saw the video yesterday, not very clear and it was not all the players....maybe punish those who did the violation(s) and those who you can actually see in the clip?
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I suspect the issue that is being looked at is what happened in addition the stuff on the video.
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Yeah, there's definitely more to the story...clip is so short, wondering what happened before and after...
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Where is anyone able to view the video?
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White Skates, I'm with you. I'd like to see it myself before weighing in. Also wondering how the reporter got onto the story in the first place?
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Five weeks until tier 1 tryouts. Is this the end of it? They kind of reference the incident in the past tense:
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-youth-hockey-team-that-made-antisemitic-remarks-ordered-to-visit-museum-of-tolerance-004653670.html
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Junior kings issued a statement that they won’t release any more information about the incident
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Is it true that the JKs are charging players that have choosen not to return to the club $1k for the "sensitivity" classes given out as punushment for the alleged anti semetic video ?
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[size=78%]What happened to the suspended coaches? What were the final findings of Safesport and does CAHA review or is this whole thing only internal? [/size]
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Coaches involved have their team assignments for next season. Water under the bridge at this point.