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Title: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on April 16, 2019, 04:50:17 AM
Once again, people will have to start thinking about this, as tryouts for teams will most likely be the First weekend of June, June 7-9.

Bears1, Ducks1 & Saints1 would have to be early favorites. 

2019-2020 *Unofficial* List of Bantam AA Teams (SoCal)
ClubTeamCoachesHome RinkInfo
Bears1Torsson (h)Pickwick'05
Bears2Bubushyan (h)Pickwick'05/06
Condors2Mears (h)Bakersfield Ice'05/06
Ducks1Kohn (h)Great Ice Irvine'05
Ducks2Maxwell (h)Great Ice Irvine'06
Empire1(h) HamacherOntario Ice'05
Empire2(h) HamacherOntario Ice'06
Gulls2Babin (h)Escondido'05/06
Ice Dogs2Semenov (h)KHS'05/06
Kings1Tatavosian (h)El Segundo'05
Kings2(h)El Segundo'06
OCHC1Shand (h)Yorba Linda'05
Reign1Esdale(h)Riverside'05/06
Saints1Robinson (h)Carlsbad'05
Saints2Parker (h)Poway'06
ValenciaAASisak (h)Ice Station'05
Wave1Wada (h)East West Ice Palace'05
Wave2Epperly (h)East West Ice Palace'06

2019-2020 *Unofficial* List of Bantam AA Teams (NorCal)
ClubTeamCoachesHome RinkInfo
GSE North2Molotilov (h)Vacaville'05/06
GSE South1Morrissette (h)?'05/06
SharksAAGollete (h)Solar4 America Ice'05/06
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Clue12345 on April 27, 2019, 10:38:19 PM
So does anyone know what new crazy rules CAHA might have come up with for next season? Hopefully they change the 20 minute jamboree show. And hopefully they share their new rules before tryouts!
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on April 29, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
So does anyone know what new crazy rules CAHA might have come up with for next season? Hopefully they change the 20 minute jamboree show. And hopefully they share their new rules before tryouts!


No need for any changes. 
Quote from: The CAHA Board
CAHA has created the perfect Tier2 system and satisfaction is at an all time high
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: TheFourthA on April 29, 2019, 12:06:41 PM
Pretty sure Ice Dogs will have an 05/06 AA team coached by Semenov
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on April 29, 2019, 12:11:23 PM
Pretty sure Ice Dogs will have an 05/06 AA team coached by Semenov


Updated List
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Clue12345 on April 30, 2019, 12:35:03 PM
So does anyone know what new crazy rules CAHA might have come up with for next season? Hopefully they change the 20 minute jamboree show. And hopefully they share their new rules before tryouts!


No need for any changes. 
Quote from: The CAHA Board
CAHA has created the perfect Tier2 system and satisfaction is at an all time high


Lol! Get out! They really are oblivious!
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Clue12345 on May 14, 2019, 08:15:49 PM
Where is everyone playing at for Memorial tournaments? And does anyone what to make any early predictions?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Bear71 on May 15, 2019, 01:41:41 PM
Where is everyone playing at for Memorial tournaments? And does anyone what to make any early predictions?


Prediction?




Pain.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on May 15, 2019, 11:00:38 PM
Memorial Day seems less and less a predictor of anything.  Kids play on teams they aren't going to play for in the fall, or don't play tournaments at all like the Bears, and in some cases are even playing for multiple teams.   In many cases the teams are part of a spring clinic series.

Whatever the results end up being haven't predicted a whole lot, and you can take this with a huge grain of salt, but what I saw the last few years is that a lot of the predominantly minor year teams have played at the Rinks, and major year teams have played in Carmen Starr.  Carmen Starr, as one parent reminded me recently, has become a tour of southland rinks.  I mean who doesn't want to play a morning game at TSC and an afternoon game at KHS? 

The AAA division (which is actually AA really) has exactly 2 Socal teams this year.  Oddly the AA/A division is also a wild mix of teams, with 2 GSE teams entered this season.  At the end of the day, some kids play some hockey, there will be some tremendous mismatches, you have in house players playing with AAA's here and there, and it seems that people care less and less about it, which seems different than in the way it was viewed in years past, but perhaps that's also because by Bantam families aren't as easily mislead as to the relative importance of these things as they may have been when their kids were younger.



Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on June 05, 2019, 11:29:58 AM
A few last minute updates:

-Wada decided not to go forward with a team.  There is still the other Wave team coached by Epperly
-Perhaps in relation to the Shattuck partnership the Mariners suddenly announced a AA team.  I find it unlikely, but you never know
-I doubt that Bakersfield will have a viable AA team given that a number of their best Bantam players will be playing elsewhere as in years past
-I think Empire will have one 05/06 team

My best guess on final numbers is 16-17 teams, but perhaps a team will emerge from Norcal that gets them to 4?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on July 12, 2019, 02:20:39 PM
At the Country Bear Jamboree in SJ there will be 21 Teams
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2019-2020 Pre-Jamboree List of Bantam AA Teams (NorCal)  (4 Teams)
ClubTeamCoachesHome RinkInfo
BlackhawksAAAlonzo, Sr (h)Sharks Ice Fremont'05
GSE North2Molotilov (h)Vacaville'05/06
GSE South1Morrissette (h)?'05/06
SharksAAGollete (h)Solar4 America Ice'05/06

2019-2020 Pre-Jamboree List of Bantam AA Teams (SoCal) (17 Teams)
ClubTeamCoachesHome RinkInfo
Bears1Torsson (h)Pickwick'05
Bears2Bubushyan (h)Pickwick'05/06
CondorsAAMears (h)Bakersfield Ice'05/06
Ducks1Kohn (h)Great Ice Irvine'05
Ducks2Maxwell (h)Great Ice Irvine'06
EmpireAA(h) HamacherOntario Ice'06
Gulls1Babin (h)Escondido'05
Gulls2Carlyle (h)Escondido'06
Ice Dogs1Semenov (h)KHS'05
Kings1Tatavosian (h)El Segundo'05
Kings2Graham (h)El Segundo'06
OCHCAAShand (h)Yorba Linda'05
Reign1Esdale (h)Riverside'05
Reign2Vychodil (h)Riverside'05/06
Saints1Robinson (h)Poway'05
ValenciaAASisak (h)Ice Station'05
WaveAAEpperly (h)East West Ice Palace'06

To be clear, the birth year designations are my unofficial understanding of the team makeup. 
- majority of the team is primarily '05
- majority of the team is primarily '06
- A substantial mix

An '05 team could have a few '06's and an '06 team could have a few '05's.  Obviously there are some pure minor year teams that tend to emerge and with success, may end up punching up into AAA tournaments during the season.  I would also expect that Bears1 and Saints will be playing up into '05 AAA as the season goes on.

With that said, there are some surprising and head scratching additions to the spring list.  In particular Reign2 and Gulls2 were unexpected additions.  In Norcal the Blackhawks have joined GSE and the Sharks, but I don't find that surprising as the '05 Blackhawks have been tier contenders as recently as the PWAA '05 year.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Clue12345 on July 12, 2019, 08:59:58 PM
Looking at the above list, there are at least 5 teams that shouldn’t be playing AA at all. Any guesses on who will be flight 1?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on July 13, 2019, 12:08:18 AM
Looking at the above list, there are at least 5 teams that shouldn’t be playing AA at all. Any guesses on who will be flight 1?

I'd like to see your list of the 5 teams you think should be dropped.  Would make for some interesting conversation I bet!
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Clue12345 on July 13, 2019, 10:05:51 AM
Condors, Ducks Maxwell, Jr Reign 2, Wave 06, and Empire 06 on the bubble.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on July 13, 2019, 11:27:48 AM
Condors, Ducks Maxwell, Jr Reign 2, Wave 06, and Empire 06 on the bubble.


Interesting that pretty much all those teams are '06's.  What about Gulls2 and Sharks?


Sharks to my knowledge don't have a lot of returning '05's, and if you look at 2 years ago, when '05's were major year PWAA, the Sharks team was forced down after the Jamboree.  I'm wondering if this means that Sharks are also mainly an '06 team.


The Gulls had a pretty good Flight1 '05 team at the PWAA level, but from my understanding, that team essentially disbanded with some players going to the Saints and elsewhere. 


This goes to my contention that if CAHA wanted to actually fix this flight mess, and make things better for players and families, they would align Tier2 with Tier1 and create Major/Minor divisions. 


In the case of a team like the Condors, that hasn't had a Tier program in some years, I think it could be handled with some documentation from the club in regards to the roster and it's recent history, as well as a few "show me" games against known entities in the southland.  This used to be the purpose of pre-season games and to a degree voluntary participation in Labor Day tournaments.


The CAHA jamboree is like the US Airport screening system, where everyone now has to take off their shoes to go through scanners twice on any round trip, because one idiot failed to light off a jury rigged shoe bomb 18 years ago.   
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on July 13, 2019, 02:46:10 PM
Empire 06 is not exactly all-06... They have a few solid 05's. Not sure how they'll flight, but Hamacher will have them dialed in and they will compete.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Bear71 on July 14, 2019, 03:34:47 PM
Condors, Ducks Maxwell, Jr Reign 2, Wave 06, and Empire 06 on the bubble.


The CAHA jamboree is like the US Airport screening system, where everyone now has to take off their shoes to go through scanners twice on any round trip, because one idiot failed to light off a jury rigged shoe bomb 18 years ago.


And Ducks and Kings have Global Entry while others only have TSA Prescreening.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Rats13 on July 15, 2019, 09:21:10 AM



And Ducks and Kings have Global Entry while others only have TSA Prescreening.


I’m not certain the Kings 04 team from last year would agree with that...
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: ABCDE on July 15, 2019, 11:57:32 AM
Or the Ducks 04 team from last year either...
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Hockey05 on July 15, 2019, 12:59:21 PM

My guess is to add one team from up North to flight two, another '06 team from San Diego, and a team from the Los Angeles area.Great job guys, the work is completed.  We just saved the bantam hockey families in this state tens of thousands of dollars.  Now that we've figured it all out for 2019-20 (minus a few of scrimmages) we can crack a cold one and plan that back yard BBQ. Or, take our player to a tournament that his team wants to attend over Labor Day, instead of a statewide bantam jamboree. 








Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: DEFENDERS on August 12, 2019, 09:15:13 AM
Any scores from this weekends scrimmages?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: raca51 on August 14, 2019, 07:58:33 AM
Wave vs Empire- Wave won 4-1
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: DEFENDERS on August 15, 2019, 08:56:42 AM
 So, let me get this straight. The Wave 06 team that should drop has now beaten Empire 4-1 and from what I’ve just heard also beat the Bears 2 last night 4-1. This is going to be a very interesting year. See you in San Jose. 8)
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: bantamparent0516 on August 15, 2019, 09:09:21 AM
Wave team added some bigger bodies than they had at Carmen Star, played much more physical than empire team, and dont forget that group has been together for along time, and it showed.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Clue12345 on August 15, 2019, 10:19:13 AM
The Wave AA team is mostly 05’s.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on August 15, 2019, 07:12:13 PM
Wave team wasn't bad in the spring, but if they have morphed into a majority '05 team, that's great.  First off, Bears were also short a few core players from their roster, the ice was terrible due to the opening day event they had directly before the game, and the actual scrimmage was a mess, as the refs who were hired didn't show up.  Bears coach had to go find someone to ref the game which took close to 20 minutes, and the resulting slow play and a number of inexplicable calls wasted a lot of time, leading to a 10 minute running clock in the 3rd.  With that said, the Wave have some very good players, and good depth from the look of it.   
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Clue12345 on August 15, 2019, 07:36:19 PM
That wave AA team is not the same team that played in the spring. The spring team would beat this wave team. Different coaches. The AA wave team is mostly Beutners Wave A team from last season with a few PW 06 AA wave players.


The wave team at Carmen star didn’t make it to the finals but the spring wave Angry Eskimos team did.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on August 15, 2019, 07:53:32 PM
That wave AA team is not the same team that played in the spring. The spring team would beat this wave team. Different coaches. The AA wave team is mostly Beutners Wave A team from last season with a few PW 06 AA wave players.


The wave team at Carmen star didn’t make it to the finals but the spring wave Angry Eskimos team did.


Thanks for the background story.  I know a bit about the Wada spring Wave team, as my kid played on it, and I certainly recognized a number of kids from wave teams over the years, as well as seeing a number of kids from the other Wave team that played at easter and the spring. 


Also just for the record, I haven't seen anyone stating that the Wave was a team that should drop.  As things move along, if there are teams that should drop I'm sure that will become evident.  I know I never opined that the Wave should be dropped, even when I thought it was going to be primarily an '06 team.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Clue12345 on August 15, 2019, 09:17:14 PM
Yeah was looking forward to some Wada Wave Bantam AA competition as we played against them last season and it was some good competition and was disappointed to hear that he wasn’t the coach for 14 AA this season. They did so well last season.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: trans4761 on August 15, 2019, 10:26:54 PM
Yeah was looking forward to some Wada Wave Bantam AA competition as we played against them last season and it was some good competition and was disappointed to hear that he wasn’t the coach for 14 AA this season. They did so well last season.
Last years Bantam AA WW team was mostly 04s with 2 05s .  One went to Peety's Prep school team the other went to Midget AA
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: bantamparent0516 on August 25, 2019, 10:06:35 AM
Pretty quiet in here, is anybody scrimmaging, any scores to post? looks like kings 1 will be strong, beat empire 7 to 0 yesterday.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: DEFENDERS on August 27, 2019, 01:12:05 PM

ice dogs beat kings2: 4-2
kings2 beat wave: 4-1
bears2 tied flyers: 3-3
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: ABCDE on August 27, 2019, 02:11:31 PM
Bears2 tied Flyers 3-3?  Interesting, as I figured Flyers would be stronger based on last year's team.  I heard Ice Dogs beat Bears2 8-1 last week.  Anyone have info on Kings 1 new coach?  I heard Tats took a new job in Idaho or something.  Hope the coaching change doesn't impact the team, as they look to be pretty strong.  Any other scrimmage scores going into the jamboree.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Bystander on September 02, 2019, 04:33:14 PM
Neither reign team belongs in AA. Why do they keep doing this?

Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: trans4761 on September 03, 2019, 10:56:20 AM
Neither reign team belongs in AA. Why do they keep doing this?


$$$$$$$$$


My buddy BF needs $$ to pay me back.
Interest is compounding daily.  :P
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 03, 2019, 12:42:50 PM
Had the talent to make one solid team but instead made two.  Trans may be majorly correct. $$$$.   I do know that they are trying to build for a pool of kids for 16AAA.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Knuckle Puck on September 03, 2019, 02:15:40 PM
Neither reign team belongs in AA. Why do they keep doing this?
caha requires them to field aa teams to keep their aaa team. their 00 aaa was decent.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: 4minuteminor on September 04, 2019, 05:20:48 AM
Eh...not so much. The latest CAHA Tier I application (on the website) doesn't really have any *requirements* - rather it just asks questions about your clubs plans and make up. Though, with so many years of their a/b and Tier II teams grossly under performing, I can't think that CAHA actually takes an honest read through their application. An what if they both dropped after the jamboree... would CAHA require the Tier I team to fold? Of course not.
I do remember there used to be a rule where you had to have so many of each colour Pokemon...err team to get a Tier I slot - but apparently that was either urban legend - or has gone out of vogue.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Knuckle Puck on September 04, 2019, 09:20:12 AM
CAHA rule 8.3
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 04, 2019, 11:20:11 AM
I would like to see more opportunities for AAA besides the kings, ducks, and sharks. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Knuckle Puck on September 04, 2019, 11:49:14 AM
I would like to see more opportunities for AAA besides the kings, ducks, and sharks.
so would the 150-plus midgets and bantams who are playing elsewhere this season (over 70 in '03 class alone). but caha will point to the two kids who stuck it out here and made the usntdp, and declare their restrictive aaa model a tremendous success. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Hockey sophist on September 04, 2019, 02:13:48 PM
I would like to see more opportunities for AAA besides the kings, ducks, and sharks.
so would the 150-plus midgets and bantams who are playing elsewhere this season (over 70 in '03 class alone). but caha will point to the two kids who stuck it out here and made the usntdp, and declare their restrictive aaa model a tremendous success.
150 plus midgets and bantams off to prep schools.   Clearly that suggests that ice hockey in California is an affluent, very affluent, family activity.   Comparing hockey to football, basketball, baseball, soccer, and track and field, does not seems like a winning strategy for international competitiveness.   Such a beautiful game for such a narrow slice of our population.   
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: b77 on September 04, 2019, 02:14:51 PM
8.3 Eligibility for Tier I


CAHA shall establish the terms that an association must achieve to field state championship eligible Tier I teams.


Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at their Tier II level in the current and previous seasons. Member Association must have been in existence for a minimum of three (3) seasons.


 :-X
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: area51 on September 04, 2019, 02:24:41 PM
I would like to see more opportunities for AAA besides the kings, ducks, and sharks.
in one post your complaining that there are AA teams that don't belong, then you want more AAA teams? If your kid didn't make it this year, he'll have another chance next year. AAA was watered down a few years ago and everyone complained. Now everyone complains because they can't get little Johnny his extra letter.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 04, 2019, 02:32:54 PM
I would like to see more opportunities for AAA besides the kings, ducks, and sharks.
in one post your complaining that there are AA teams that don't belong, then you want more AAA teams? If your kid didn't make it this year, he'll have another chance next year. AAA was watered down a few years ago and everyone complained. Now everyone complains because they can't get little Johnny his extra letter.


Yes, a few people making a lot of noise which made them believe they should act and enact rules.  Same process with our wacko politicians in sacramento and DC. The majority of the population believe the rules/laws are BS.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Knuckle Puck on September 04, 2019, 02:56:33 PM
150 plus midgets and bantams off to prep schools.   Clearly that suggests that ice hockey in California is an affluent, very affluent, family activity.   Comparing hockey to football, basketball, baseball, soccer, and track and field, does not seems like a winning strategy for international competitiveness.   Such a beautiful game for such a narrow slice of our population.
only 2/3rds of those kids at prep/academys; 1/3 playing aaa out of state. your bigger point about cost is valid. the only rink i’ve seen with more expensive ice time than tsc and anaheim is chelsea piers manhattan. $22 for a 6 am stick time @ tsc  :o
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Knuckle Puck on September 04, 2019, 03:18:44 PM
chicken or the egg? midget aaa is undisputedly watered down now because a large % of the top kids left the state. does it make sense to have more aaa teams now, with all that departed talent? no, it does not. but if caha had not purposefully killed aaa @ the gulls, titans and wave, a lot fewer kids would have left, and the circuit overall would be stronger.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Hockey05 on September 04, 2019, 03:39:48 PM
Just about anyone with a serious player is considering any and all alternatives to hockey in California. The system in place is a failure. If it was not, then all of these players wouldn't be leaving. 

Studies and statistics have been posted on this board. Say what you want about the watered down AAA product in the past, but those teams did okay on the national level. Players were provided an opportunity and some of those players are still playing. 




Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: TheFourthA on September 04, 2019, 03:51:04 PM
Hockey is a cult sport in California.  The fact that we are exporting a relatively small number of players is a sign of marginal progress.  I doubt that many players with matching elite  levels of ambition and skill would stay to play in an expanded version of “AAA”, when most are leaving for either prep school (not a real California option), to play with and for more elite competition (not an option in California) or for greater exposure to scouts (also not an option here)
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: notTHATdad on September 04, 2019, 06:22:27 PM
Last I checked...


2 California 15AAA teams made it to nationals last year right? (Ducks and Sharks)

There are 1200 AA teams nationally, and 110 AAA teams, or about 10-1
We have 3 AAA teams for about 18 AA teams. The ratio is even higher.


Doesn't sound that "watered down" to me.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Knuckle Puck on September 04, 2019, 08:33:52 PM
Last I checked... 2 California 15AAA teams made it to nationals last year right? (Ducks and Sharks)
notthatdad: only 1 team from pacific district per age class year. sharks 15aaa went last season.


fourtha: if there were a bigger/stronger aaa circuit and/or a few legit academy programs in the southwest usa (cali, nevada, ariz), more kids would stay. the travel for aaa out here is horrendously expensive. but if you had five good quality teams to play here in so cal, a couple up north, + 3 in the desert (vegas/phoneix) ... mix in a few quality showcases (vegas, phoenix, irvine all great options now) and you'd get teams and scouts to fly out here in the dead of winter for sure... i mean if irvine can attract actual ncaa d1 teams for a xmas tourney (asu, harvard), the same can be done with aaa programs and scouts (put the aaa tournament on the other three sheets on same weekend). voila! with a strong circuit out here, long-distance travel for aaa is cut in 1/2.

but building up a circuit takes work and cooperation. caha's never been about that; orgs constantly trying to kneecap others. poor choice. now most kids who can leave, do. wasn't like that 4-5 years ago. sad.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Hockey05 on September 05, 2019, 08:10:22 AM



Here are the registration statistics for USA Hockey:

https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/2210-1687681/2018-19_Final_Registration_Report.pdf?_ga=2.28920952.576185148.1567648672-1897795979.1551128881 (https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/2210-1687681/2018-19_Final_Registration_Report.pdf?_ga=2.28920952.576185148.1567648672-1897795979.1551128881)


It isn't MN or NY but there are a lot of players out here.  I think most parents and players know the dream, whatever it may be, is not going to happen.  They just want to keep playing competitively and they don't view what is out here as good enough. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Strawman on September 05, 2019, 09:46:10 AM
Looking on the bright side, CAHA could not possibly do a better job of forcing California's best players to pursue opportunities outside the state at an early age.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: PutYourFootOnTheGas on September 05, 2019, 10:48:49 AM



Here are the registration statistics for USA Hockey:

https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/2210-1687681/2018-19_Final_Registration_Report.pdf?_ga=2.28920952.576185148.1567648672-1897795979.1551128881 (https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/2210-1687681/2018-19_Final_Registration_Report.pdf?_ga=2.28920952.576185148.1567648672-1897795979.1551128881)


It isn't MN or NY but there are a lot of players out here.  I think most parents and players know the dream, whatever it may be, is not going to happen.  They just want to keep playing competitively and they don't view what is out here as good enough. 


We have beaten this subject to death (I have certainly contributed). The registration numbers do provide a good way to compare CA vs. the rest of the country however.


I did quick comparison of # of total registered players (boys only) for the 13-14 and 15-16 in IL, MI, CA, MA, NY and CO as compared to the # of AAA players in these respective states.


To my surprise, IL actually has fewer boys (as a %) playing at AAA compared to the total # of registered players. CA has the next lowest percentage. NY had the highest % of AAA players to total registered players at 13-14 and 2nd highest at 15-16.


The differences are not real big across the board though so I'm not sure exactly what, "they don't view what is out here is good enough" means. If CA added one more AAA team in SoCal at each level (13AAA, 14AAA, 15AAA, 16AAA) we'd fall right in the middle of the aforementioned states at the Bantam level. Add one in SoCal and one in NorCal at each level and we'd be right behind NY with the highest %. I get the sense that still would not make the loudest critics happy.


One could also argue that if you look closer at the states with the highest % of AAA players to total registered players, the AAA teams near the bottom of the rankings would be mid pack AA teams in their state (using My Hockey Rankings). Are they misplaced?? Does having them playing AAA help or hurt the age group?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Landshark on September 05, 2019, 11:41:06 AM
I find the aaa v aa debate to be a bit beside the point. We don’t need a single rule change to revive hockey in this state. We need an innovator.  We have managers who do a fine job, but imagine a CAHA that makes people value their child’s experience in CA.


Caha sponsors a tournament at every age level at the end of the year where the top two aa teams are invited to play the aaa teams.


Scaha could do the same in the lower levels.


The website could have picture cards for each player. The players stats could be managed and Parents could upload highlight plays.


Each team could be loaned one of the sensor packages that are coming out for coaches. It tracks the speed and activity of each player for one game. The stats could be incorporated in the player card to promote players beyond our borders.


California has some of the deepest resources in the country. Why don’t we have a Apple sponsored spring team that costs nothing and is open only to California players who want to test some of the best tournaments back east in the off season.


I know that it’s just me talking(I’d rather have someone engaging like Keanu Reeves lead the charge. Everyone listens to Keanu Reeves). I don’t expect a revolution,  We need leadership that can put new ideas into motion and draw kids into the sport and take them to the top of the sport.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 05, 2019, 01:33:18 PM
"in one post your complaining that there are AA teams that don't belong, then you want more AAA teams? If your kid didn't make it this year, he'll have another chance next year. AAA was watered down a few years ago and everyone complained. Now everyone complains because they can't get little Johnny his extra letter."

Hey Area, I never made that complaint.  I would never say that.  I don't see myself as one who would limit those opportunities for AA teams that want to play in the division of their choice.  I'm not from Vacaville. 

On the other point.  My son didn't tryout for AAA, so he is unaffected.  The exodus from CA is alarming.  CAHA needs to rethink their strategy to one that is perhaps less self serving.  I am not exactly sure what their motivation is.  Open for discussion, I suppose.  There just seems to be far too many players leaving CA.  So not good for the health of local competition.  [/font]
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Strawman on September 05, 2019, 02:40:53 PM



Here are the registration statistics for USA Hockey:

https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/2210-1687681/2018-19_Final_Registration_Report.pdf?_ga=2.28920952.576185148.1567648672-1897795979.1551128881 (https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/2210-1687681/2018-19_Final_Registration_Report.pdf?_ga=2.28920952.576185148.1567648672-1897795979.1551128881)


It isn't MN or NY but there are a lot of players out here.  I think most parents and players know the dream, whatever it may be, is not going to happen.  They just want to keep playing competitively and they don't view what is out here as good enough. 


We have beaten this subject to death (I have certainly contributed). The registration numbers do provide a good way to compare CA vs. the rest of the country however.


I did quick comparison of # of total registered players (boys only) for the 13-14 and 15-16 in IL, MI, CA, MA, NY and CO as compared to the # of AAA players in these respective states.


To my surprise, IL actually has fewer boys (as a %) playing at AAA compared to the total # of registered players. CA has the next lowest percentage. NY had the highest % of AAA players to total registered players at 13-14 and 2nd highest at 15-16.


The differences are not real big across the board though so I'm not sure exactly what, "they don't view what is out here is good enough" means. If CA added one more AAA team in SoCal at each level (13AAA, 14AAA, 15AAA, 16AAA) we'd fall right in the middle of the aforementioned states at the Bantam level. Add one in SoCal and one in NorCal at each level and we'd be right behind NY with the highest %. I get the sense that still would not make the loudest critics happy.


One could also argue that if you look closer at the states with the highest % of AAA players to total registered players, the AAA teams near the bottom of the rankings would be mid pack AA teams in their state (using My Hockey Rankings). Are they misplaced?? Does having them playing AAA help or hurt the age group?


Hard to make meaningful comparisons between CA and places like IL and NY in my opinion.  When the Ducks and Kings AAA teams are forced to play each other a dozen times every season at every age level, and fly cross-country every two or three weeks find someone else to play, we create an almost uniquely impossible environment for the game for flourish.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: PutYourFootOnTheGas on September 05, 2019, 03:43:35 PM



Here are the registration statistics for USA Hockey:

https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/2210-1687681/2018-19_Final_Registration_Report.pdf?_ga=2.28920952.576185148.1567648672-1897795979.1551128881 (https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/2210-1687681/2018-19_Final_Registration_Report.pdf?_ga=2.28920952.576185148.1567648672-1897795979.1551128881)


It isn't MN or NY but there are a lot of players out here.  I think most parents and players know the dream, whatever it may be, is not going to happen.  They just want to keep playing competitively and they don't view what is out here as good enough. 


We have beaten this subject to death (I have certainly contributed). The registration numbers do provide a good way to compare CA vs. the rest of the country however.


I did quick comparison of # of total registered players (boys only) for the 13-14 and 15-16 in IL, MI, CA, MA, NY and CO as compared to the # of AAA players in these respective states.


To my surprise, IL actually has fewer boys (as a %) playing at AAA compared to the total # of registered players. CA has the next lowest percentage. NY had the highest % of AAA players to total registered players at 13-14 and 2nd highest at 15-16.


The differences are not real big across the board though so I'm not sure exactly what, "they don't view what is out here is good enough" means. If CA added one more AAA team in SoCal at each level (13AAA, 14AAA, 15AAA, 16AAA) we'd fall right in the middle of the aforementioned states at the Bantam level. Add one in SoCal and one in NorCal at each level and we'd be right behind NY with the highest %. I get the sense that still would not make the loudest critics happy.


One could also argue that if you look closer at the states with the highest % of AAA players to total registered players, the AAA teams near the bottom of the rankings would be mid pack AA teams in their state (using My Hockey Rankings). Are they misplaced?? Does having them playing AAA help or hurt the age group?


Hard to make meaningful comparisons between CA and places like IL and NY in my opinion.  When the Ducks and Kings AAA teams are forced to play each other a dozen times every season at every age level, and fly cross-country every two or three weeks find someone else to play, we create an almost uniquely impossible environment for the game for flourish.


I agree. Let's face it. Hockey in California is a fringe sport. The relatively low number of participants plus the large geographical layout, makes it as you say, "uniquely impossible environment for the game to flourish." These factors make it extremely hard for CAHA to do anything meaningful about. The way the argument goes for many is that CAHA is to blame which is crazy in my opinion. Are they perfect. . . .not even close. They have not set up the current system much different than any other state though which is what I was trying to show by analyzing the registration #s.


My son has played AAA for years. I knew the large amount of travel was part of the deal. He and the family have loved every moment of it. We've visited cities we likely never would have without the sport. I'd personally take that any day over the convenience of playing more locally in a watered down version of play or blasting the hell out of teams that have no business fielding AAA teams just so there are more for the division.


I don't know what is the best solution. I'm open to debating new approaches but for the most part, people just come on here and complain. Is there another state using a better approach? If so, where and what do they do that could be implemented feasibly in CA?



Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: InDZone on September 05, 2019, 04:44:45 PM
I would like to see more opportunities for AAA besides the kings, ducks, and sharks.
in one post your complaining that there are AA teams that don't belong, then you want more AAA teams? If your kid didn't make it this year, he'll have another chance next year. AAA was watered down a few years ago and everyone complained. Now everyone complains because they can't get little Johnny his extra letter.


Several seem to say that AAA is "watered" down...my question is in comparison to who? The same could be said about AA...it's watered down and the kids that are moving to AAA don't find the competition so all they have to resort to is AAA.


Would be nice if there were other AAA SoCal teams besides the three that exist.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: notTHATdad on September 05, 2019, 05:39:15 PM
One of the posters above almost hit what is probably our best hope. We need a few more western states to get serious about AAA. I am hoping that the Jr Knights will turn AAA some day, and a similar team in Seattle once they have their NHL franchise running will do it. The NHL clubs all want to have feeder systems, if for no other reason than you end up with a lot of well heeled ex hockey players in an area when you have an NHL club.


Once we have a couple more AAA clubs on the coast, we will have the possibility of a nice little AAA western circuit and the travel costs will come down for everyone. CAHA will have nothing to do with that.


Just in time for my kids to all have finished playing  >:(


As for the 'great bleed' that everyone seems to see of kids going to east coast schools, I'm sorry, but I don't see it as a crisis. It happens everywhere. My nephew did it... from Ontario. When your kid is good enough, regardless of where you play, at some point that becomes a possibility that you have to look at. We did, and decided our kid was too young to move away. I know the Bantam Major Jr Sharks lost 1 to prep school this year. Not sure what happened with the Kings or Ducks but 'other' issues will certainly have contributed to the Kings. When presented with choices, sometime people choose to take a chance.



Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Knuckle Puck on September 06, 2019, 10:10:02 AM
aaa post-peewee ultimately is going to be dominated by the academy model. that's what families want -- a coordinated academic/hockey program that provides more time on the ice, reduced travel, less missed class time, decent to excellent academics all at a manageable cost. the academies/preps already are taking over in the northeast and western canada, and making inroads in the midwest.

an example of what this ultimately could look like is the csshl in western canada. http://www.csshl.ca/leagues/custom_page.cfm?clientid=4542&leagueid=15269&pageid=17663 (http://www.csshl.ca/leagues/custom_page.cfm?clientid=4542&leagueid=15269&pageid=17663). its a combo of historically strong private/boarding schools (saints, shawnigan), plus hockey academies that send their kids to accomodating private schools located close to rinks (oha, west van, bwc). the 12 to 15 teams per age division play each other and very rarely travel back east. very successful -- roughly half of the kids selected in the whl bantam draft now come from these schools, and they feed a ton of kids into the bchl (the #2 path to ncaa d1 after ushl. kids "get seen", get great hockey development, decent to great academics (depending on the school), with an all-in cost similar to an la private school education. 

its only a matter of time until this comes to socal. i know parent groups that have investigated doing it themselves.  kings and ducks ought to take the lead, as they are parts of billion dollar organizations that have the resources to pull this off.  until then, we will continue to see a parade of kids leave to join programs like this in other places.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: TheFourthA on September 06, 2019, 10:35:13 AM
There are at least three hockey academies that opened in Orange County this season. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Deuce on September 06, 2019, 10:47:19 AM
There are at least three hockey academies that opened in Orange County this season. 


Which 3? I know of KHS Academy and Optimum Hockey Academy. What's the 3rd one?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: TheFourthA on September 06, 2019, 11:13:51 AM
I believe there is one called West Coast, also out of
The Great Park...
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Knuckle Puck on September 06, 2019, 11:47:02 AM
the academies that succeed will need to offer real academics, teachers and facilities (classrooms, science labs, etc.), and a social component (interactions with non-hockey kids, incl. girls).  "academics" of 3 hours a day at a computer in a windowless room at the rink is bullshit. a partnership between great park ice and the nearby and new portola high could be interesting.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: notTHATdad on September 06, 2019, 04:44:52 PM
I have friends that have send their kids to "academy's" that consist of a rink and a back room where their kids to high school work online.


The only parents that want that are those that are delusional about their kids chances.


It takes time for *real* academies to be built, along the lines of actual east coast prep schools, and hockey is 'just another sport' to them.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: KickSave on September 07, 2019, 12:34:20 PM
Ok Bantam parents, you need to realize that by junior year of HS, your kid’s workload will be such that those long commutes to practice will really impact their schoolwork, and those late ice slots Midgets get will just make things harder. Add in all the travel for games and tourneys... and wow. Prep school offers a balance to those of us not blessed with a rink around the corner or best bud who runs a hockey program. It’s hard to see the reality when your kids are young and so full of optimism.
Without more ice in CA, kids will always leave.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: DEFENDERS on September 09, 2019, 03:10:15 PM
 Looking for confirmation on scores from this weekend. Two game went to 0-0 ties. 8)
 
Jr. Gulls (2)5 - Jr. Ducks (2)2
Jr. Reign (1) --- Flyers—
Saints4 - Bears (1)0
Empire HC7 - Jr. Reign (2)0
Bears (2)0 - Jr. Gulls (1)0
Jr. Kings (1)0 - Jr Condors1
Jr. Kings (2)0 - Ice Dogs8
Wave0 - OC Hockey0
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: ABCDE on September 09, 2019, 03:22:03 PM
I don't think the scores on scaha are complete yet or even accurate.  Yesterday, it showed Jr Gulls(2) beat Jr Ducks(2) 15-0 which seemed impossible to believe.  Now showing 5-2.  And Jr Kings(1) beat the Condors 4-1, not a 1-0 loss. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: justanotherhockeydad on September 09, 2019, 06:26:28 PM
Looking for confirmation on scores from this weekend. Two game went to 0-0 ties. 8)
 
Jr. Gulls (2)5 - Jr. Ducks (2)2
Jr. Reign (1) --- Flyers—
Saints4 - Bears (1)0
Empire HC7 - Jr. Reign (2)0
Bears (2)0 - Jr. Gulls (1)0
Jr. Kings (1)0 - Jr Condors1
Jr. Kings (2)0 - Ice Dogs8
Wave0 - OC Hockey0
I think Bantam AA OCHC tied Bantam AA Wave 4-4...
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: TopCornzzz on September 09, 2019, 06:59:56 PM
I heard Flyers beat Reign(1) either 9-1 or 10-1....both Reign Teams should be in Bantam A....at best.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: b77 on September 09, 2019, 10:53:35 PM

Let the excuses and accusations of conspiracy fly!

Flight 1
Bears(1)
Bears(2)
Eagles(1)
Eagles(2)
Jr. Ducks(1)
Jr. Flyers
Jr. Ice Dogs
Jr. Kings(1)
Saints


Flight 2
Blackhawks
Empire
Jr. Condors
Jr. Ducks(2)
Jr. Gulls(1)
Jr. Gulls(2)
Jr. Kings(2)
Jr. Reign(1)
Jr. Sharks
OC Hockey
Wave

Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: DEFENDERS on September 10, 2019, 08:14:45 AM
I'll start, both GSE teams should not have made flight1. Gulls2 and Wave should have. But they had to split up the Norcal team to get Nocal CAHA weekends. F*CK CAHA, it's all about the money and not the best product. >:(
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: socalhockeydad on September 10, 2019, 09:42:15 AM
Really, the only major issue I see is the Wave being Flight 2. Not saying all the flight 1 teams should be obvious choices but you can at least make an argument for them...the Wave being Flight 2 though is  :o
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 10, 2019, 11:21:59 AM
More Wave hating.  Battle Wave!  Prove your prognosticators wrong. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: TopCornzzz on September 10, 2019, 12:09:45 PM
Heard GULLS(1) beat BEARS(2) by a score of 5-0 on the weekend.....is that the case?? CAHA can't possibly be that far out to lunch!!
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Hockeykid on September 10, 2019, 05:13:54 PM
 Here’s a link showing the 2019 – 2020 CAHA divisions and the teams in each flight/division. As of now, it’s not showing the schedule.
 https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/display-stats?league=17 (https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/display-stats?league=17)
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: JackBender on September 10, 2019, 07:08:02 PM
Say F*CK CAHA three times and guess who will show up?!?!   
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 10, 2019, 07:21:05 PM
Say F*CK CAHA three times and guess who will show up?!?!


Ben Frank?


He owes trans money
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on September 11, 2019, 01:01:27 AM
My prior comments on the AA system are numerous.  I agree about the Wave.  I really don't know why they were dropped when they could have had 10 teams in Flight1 per the Flighting rules.

I believe that after last season, CAHA was not eager to put any of the primarily '06 teams into Flight 1, especially if those teams aren't named Kings or Ducks.  I didn't see more than a few minutes of one of their games, but as an '06 team, it was going to be an uphill battle for Gulls2 unless they were undeniably a better team than at least 5 other teams in Flight1. 

Every season since the inception of it, Flighting has screwed over 2-4 flight 2 teams not because they would beat everyone in Flight1, but simply that they are good enough to play competitive games with the lower to mid flight1 teams, but will be denied the chance.  That wasn't supposed to be the role of CAHA.   

As they didn't Flight any division other than Bantam, it seems like the writing is on the wall, that the clubs themselves must be fighting the system to the degree that there was no appetite for it.   

The irony is that Bantam AA has 2 AAA teams this year, which makes it even less reasonable to exclude teams by flighting with such a huge gap between the top 2 and everyone else in AA.  The really sad part is that the teams from 3-16 are probably closer to each other than in any season I can remember.  If not for the top 2, it would be a really interesting and competitive AA season.   

All you can do is make the best of wherever you are even if you got served a shit sandwich.  The problem is that there are still people who buy into the basic premise of flighting which helps perpetuate it.  I don't blame the CAHA board for that.  I do blame them for losing sight of the fact that they are administrators for a league, and not evaluators of competitive competency.  The minute they started listening to knucklehead parents with inflated egos and superiority complexes was the minute that CAHA lost sight of its reason for being. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: JackBender on September 11, 2019, 09:13:01 AM
DING!  DING!  DING!

Icadad has hit the nail on the head:

I do blame them (CAHA) for losing sight of the fact that they are administrators for a league, and not evaluators of competitive competency.

Nicely stated, sir.  Agree 100%.  But just so we have all the ugly facts, let's remember that hundreds of families were FORCED by this governing body of administrators to travel to San Jose (the hockey minority market), which meant more than a third of these families had to drive or fly and stay at a hotel spending hundreds of dollars, if not thousands.  Great.  So what were the results of this manufactured Labor Day money grab quasi-tourney of 4 runtime games?   Three of the four divisions are not flighted. Um, excuse me?  Are you serious?  You idiots dragged us up to that suburb-gone-wild and then you don't even flight three of the four divisions?  Are you fucking nuts?  Congrats, CAHA, you've earned your 1st F*CK CAHA.

Let's continue, though. Of the one division that did get flighted (Bantam), I'm sure CAHA got that correct, right?  I'm sure that split was very obvious, right?  Nope.  Completely fucked that one too.   

Now, all season, we have to stare at the bullshit Bantam flighting breakdown that is a glaring reminder of CAHA's consistent bias, vague policies, and shady underhandedness.  Oh, and instead of making it a 10/10 split, which is logical, the split is 9/11?!  I mean, come on, boys.  It's like you're punishing yourselves now. 

But then the split was probably obvious, right?  It's was totally clear to everyone, right?  Nope.  Not at all.  CAHA just can't help from doing everything ass backwards and putting their hypocrisy on center stage with bright lights and glitter.   

Let's take a look.  And upon quick analysis of those 9 teams put into Flight 1, 4 teams (Bears(2), Flyers, GSE(1), and GSE(2)) had a WORSE showing at the Evaluation Weekend than the Wave. But don't believe me, let's look at the games and stats:

BEARS(2)
Bears(2) 2 Kings(2) 1
Bears(2) 2 Wave 2
Bears(2) 0 Ducks(1) 2
Bears(2) 0 Kings(1) 1
RECORD 1-2-1 (4 GF/6 GA)
Note: They lost 2 games to Flight 1 teams, tied a Flight 2 team, and beat a Flight 2 team.

FLYERS
Flyers 3 Ice Dogs 7
Flyers 0 Bears(1) 10
Flyers 7 GSE(2) 2
Flyers 3 Gulls(1) 0
RECORD 2-2 (13 GF/19 GA)
Note: They lost 2 games badly to Flight 1 teams, beat a weak Flight 1 team, and beat a bad Flight 2 team.

GSE(1)
GSE(1) 4 OCHC 2
GSE(1) 2 Blackhawks 2
GSE(1) 0 Saints 3
GSE(1) 5 Reign(1) 0
RECORD 2-1-1 (11GF/7 GA)
Note: They lost the lone Flight 1 team they faced, beat two Flight 2 teams, and tied a bad Flight 2 team.

GSE(2)
GSE(2) 4 Gulls(1) 3
GSE(2) 10 Ducks(2) 1
GSE(2) 1 Bears(1) 9
GSE(2) 2 Flyers 7
RECORD 2-2 (17 GF/20 GA)
Note: They lost badly to the two Flight 1 teams they faced and beat two bad Flight 2 teams, and only one convincingly.

Wave
Wave 1 Condors 0
Wave 2 Bears(2) 2
Wave 0 Gulls(2) 1
Wave 2 Ice Dogs 0
RECORD 2-1-1 (5 GF/3 GA)
Note: They beat a top Flight 1 team, tied a Flight 1 team, beat a Flight 2 team, and lost to a Flight 2 team (arguably the best remaining Flight 2 team).

So, of course, the logical result is that the Wave doesn't belong and it's better to go with a 9/11 split than a 10/10 split.  What?!?  Congrats, CAHA!  You have earned your 2nd F*CK CAHA! 

But let's be fair, let's look at who exactly evaluated these games.  Certainly these people were unbiased experts with full knowledge of the teams and the divisions, right?  I'm sure their sole focus was to get it right, right?  That CAHA had done their job and found the people who can break this division in half in the fairest and most honest way, right?  No.  Of course not. 

The evaluators were coaches from other divisions who learned as they arrived for the weekend that they were evaluating games.  Oh, and I'm sure they weren't distracted by their own games, players or parents, right?  Or influenced by their club's needs and desires (hello GSE!!!), right?  Good lord, CAHA.  Another well thought out, smooth-as-grease idea. 

Congrats, you've quickly earned your 3rd and final F*CK CAHA!

As objectively proven over and over again on this forum, CAHA stinks from the top down.  It starts with the #1 Boob himself President Tom Hancock and his merry Board of Dunderheads.  These people have spent a lifetime overreaching, enforcing biases, favoring friends, repaying grudges, and undermining the purity of the sport for their own financial and political gain.  It's wrong.  It's grotesque.  And with every opportunity this group has to be a mature, measured, logical, fair governing body... they do the opposite.   

It's sad.  And lame.  And nothing this group at CAHA does anymore is surprising.

P.S. After I mined the CAHA minutes to learn the story behind the AAA consolidation and power grab, CAHA stopped posting the minutes.  Nice one, boys.  Way to keep it honest.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Hockey05 on September 11, 2019, 09:30:23 AM
It seems someone chose to remove my post from yesterday.  Hmmm,  :o .


Does anyone know if there is any update regarding this lawsuit:


https://www.chicagobusiness.com/news/hockeys-surge-popularity-pushes-sports-gatekeepers-court


CAHA will keep doing this crap until parents and families collectively say, enough!
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: keepdrinkinthekoolaid on September 11, 2019, 02:06:31 PM

Congrats, CAHA, you've earned your 1st F*CK CAHA.


So, of course, the logical result is that the Wave doesn't belong and it's better to go with a 9/11 split than a 10/10 split.  What?!?  Congrats, CAHA!  You have earned your 2nd F*CK CAHA! 

unbiased experts? No.  Of course not. 

The evaluator's were coaches from other divisions who learned as they arrived for the weekend that they were evaluating games.  Good lord, CAHA.  Another well thought out, smooth-as-grease idea.  Congrats, you've quickly earned your 3rd and final F*CK CAHA!

As objectively proven over and over again on this forum, CAHA stinks from the top down.  It starts with the #1 Boob himself President Tom Hancock and his merry Board of Dunderheads.

P.S. After I mined the CAHA minutes to learn the story behind the AAA consolidation and power grab, CAHA stopped posting the minutes.  Nice one, boys.  Way to keep it honest.

(deleted some JackBender comments quoted above, solely to save space)
Jack Bender,

IMO, you are being much to nice.  Can see at least 2 or 3 more F*ck CAHAs just in your words above.

What about possible grudge and bias?  Didn't the CA Wave have to play a mandatory play-in game last year?  Making parents and families incur incredible expense, as they were out of country.  My understanding is there was no flexibility, 100% mandatory game on that date and time, true?

Is it possible this year, "powers that be" are making the Wave organization "pay"?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 11, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
Rhetorical question, right?  How about the homer refs of CAHA?  The minions of the CAHA board? With agenda. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Bear71 on September 11, 2019, 04:08:36 PM
For those interested, there is a CAHA Board Meeting scheduled for 9/21 in El Segundo.  ;)
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: JackBender on September 11, 2019, 04:46:38 PM
Hmm... does GrubHub deliver flaming bags of shit? 


Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Bear71 on September 11, 2019, 05:23:36 PM
Hmm... does GrubHub deliver slamming bags of shit?


No, I think McDonald's uses Uber Eats.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Landshark on September 11, 2019, 07:27:45 PM
I actually thought the wave got hosed until I read your argument. You actually pushed me over to the other side. 


By your own reasoning, Bears 2 are not a solid flight one team. Wave tied them.


The gulls you call a flight two team to undermine the flyers. Bears 2 lost to them 0-5. Wave tied the team that lost to a middle flight two team by five goals. Your case is partially correct, but by dragging down other teams that you need to build yourself up, I think you inadvertently undercut your own argument.

GSEs were not superpowers but they looked good in the games I saw.
 
And if number of shots is a big deal for the Condors who played lower teams you’d better find a way to level that for anyone who played the saints or big Bears.

I get that it pissed you off, but pissing on the system is better than pissing on the kids that you think don’t deserve to be  where they are.  They do. And if they don’t, the wave has no case at all.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: JackBender on September 11, 2019, 08:05:34 PM
I don't have an argument, I just presented the facts.


Wave also beat Bears(2) 4-1 before the weekend.


And you don't mention the Ice Dogs win, the #3 team in the State. Bears(2) played the Ice Dogs before the weekend, losing 8-1. Flyers lost to the Ice Dogs 7-3. The Wave beat the Ice Dogs 2-0. 


Those are simply facts. Draw your own conclusion.


Between the Flyers, Bears(2), and both GSE teams, the Wave was the ONLY team to beat a Flight 1 team. And they also tied one. Again, those are the facts.  Yet, CAHA put them at Flight 2, saying that they are not good enough to be in Flight 1... even though they were the only team to beat a Flight 1 team. To add insult to injury, they left the 10th Flight 1 spot open.


Still uncertain if the Wave got hosed?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: 4minuteminor on September 11, 2019, 08:54:53 PM
To add to the mix: Wave tied OC this weekend 4 all. How does that add to the equation?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: JackBender on September 11, 2019, 09:07:27 PM
Irrelevant. It wasn't part of the evaluation.


Bears(2) also lost 5-0 to Gulls(1) this weekend. If anything, it only proves that AA is a two team race. Every other team is wildly inconsistent. But based on the unbiased numbers, if those other teams are Flight 1, then so are the Wave. 


Unless, you know, you're CAHA and logic and fairness is not part of the evaluation process.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on September 11, 2019, 09:21:37 PM
No I think the Wave got hosed, but the point is that it's a systemic problem and not one of evaluation and some other team taking the Wave's spot.  I personally felt the Wave deserved a Flight1 slot this season but they clearly aren't markedly better than any of the other teams you profiled.  On a particular day, they might win or lose, and for that reason, they should be in Flight1 but aren't for reasons nobody outside of the evaluation committee knows.

It may be cold comfort, but this same thing has happened to numerous other teams the last 2 seasons.  When people are obsessing about scrimmages, pre-season games, and aggregate shots against totals, none of which the CAHA evaluators consider, it's just another example of how this system punishes coaches, parents and players.   

For 3 seasons now I've seen the toll this takes on the psyche of the participants and the disruption it has caused to teams and programs.  Rather than focusing on development, training and end season goals, Tier2 begins with this stressful evaluation which robs everyone of the pre-season tournament that clubs enjoyed for years, and involves stress, injuries and heartbreaking disappointment for many of the participants, literally before the season has even begun.

It's fostered resentment and infighting amongst the various clubs, which only serves to poison the entire community.  It may sound trite to some, but respect for your opponents and valuing them for the competition they provide was stressed to me growing up.  It's a fundamental tenet of the positive coaching alliance among other youth sport organizations. 


At this point, my son has played at one time or another with a lot of kids on different teams and knows even more from hockey camps and clinics he's attended.  The kid you play against this season might be your teammate next year, or someone who becomes a close friend away from the rink.  Yes, the system is poorly implemented, biased and inherently mean spirited and frequently very unfair, but it's actually far worse than that, in terms of what it has been doing to the youth hockey community in California.  For many of my friends, when we talk about CAHA, it's about how our kids can or will escape it either by outgrowing it or playing hockey in some other state.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: JackBender on September 11, 2019, 10:31:06 PM
Yes. Very well stated on an emotional level.  This element gets lost in a lot of the debates. 


I know kids at PW and Bantam who have quit hockey in their major year because their teams didn't make Flight 1.  They quit hockey.  Quit.  I'm pretty sure that is not within the USA Hockey mandate of "expanding the game," and I'm pretty sure they'd be horrified to learn it was a side effect of the flighting system.  Even one kid quitting for something as trivial as that is wrong. 


The system might have been well intentioned, but it stinks.  We'll see if the powers that be do the right thing.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Landshark on September 12, 2019, 12:21:10 AM
No.  The OC game kind of took that off the table. 


I know you’re mad. All you can see is injustice. I don’t mind that you select your favorite games but it certainly didn’t help your case if you tied OC.  Unless you have another great comparison that makes that result not representative of your team.
 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: JackBender on September 12, 2019, 07:01:57 AM
Ice Dogs.


And Head-to-Head.


"Wave also beat Bears(2) 4-1 before the weekend. And you don't mention the Ice Dogs win, the #3 team in the State. Bears(2) played the Ice Dogs before the weekend, losing 8-1. Flyers lost to the Ice Dogs 7-3. The Wave beat the Ice Dogs 2-0."
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 12, 2019, 09:45:00 AM
It would seem that Bender has a point there.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: puckslapper on September 12, 2019, 09:53:59 AM
Landshark, I assume your opinion would differ if your Flyers had been placed in Flight 2, arguably where they belong after their Jamboree performance.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: b77 on September 12, 2019, 10:57:42 AM
Congrats on the defeat of the great Machine JackBender!


Better stock up on vaseline and redbull now. I see a "FUN" schedule and some 9pm/7am games coming your way!



Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: JackBender on September 12, 2019, 12:20:11 PM
Kudos to CAHA. It was the right thing to do.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: ABCDE on September 12, 2019, 12:48:41 PM
Bender, I'm not sure I'd put that win up as the crown jewel of my argument.  Looking at the stats on that game (thanks again Hockeykid), Ice Dogs outshot you 21-5.  No denying you got the win, but the Ice Dogs may have played a bad game, or your goalie stood on his head, or Ice Dogs didn't play the run clock, or any combination of that or any other thing.  I can only judge by the score sheet, but they outshot you by a lot.  That said though, I agree Wave got hosed.  Wave has every right to claim they should be flight 1 when you have Bears(2) and Flyers in it.  Insult to injury, they only put 9 teams in flight 1.  Caha got it wrong, just as they did last year.  The top 4 teams in flight 2 (Kings(1), Saints, Ducks(1), Flyers) could have easily exchanged with the bottom 4 of flight 1 and had a chance to play for more than 8th seed.  Playing for 8th seed only to get blown out by the top teams is a bad system.  Add to that they didn't even have a playoffs for flight 2 last year, and the plight of flight 2 only gets worse.


Caha did the right thing in Peewee and forced 6 teams down to A and didn't flight it.  Nor did they flight Midgets.  It sounded like they were finally getting it right.  They could have dropped the bottom 3-4 teams and not flight Bantam, but that would have included 2 NHL franchises, and that's never going to happen.  It took a lot to get the Jr Sharks to drop to A last year.  Maybe that included some back room deals saying it wouldn't happen this year, I don't know.  They will have a rough season, and it will suck for all So Cal teams going up to NorCal to blow them out.  I don't know NorCal coaches and organizations, but how can a franchise that made it to round 3 of SCF not attract better coaching?  They should have coaches and kids fighting to get in.  When you can't manage to put together strong AA teams for years, it's time to take a hard look at their program and restructure. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Landshark on September 12, 2019, 04:44:12 PM
He does.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Landshark on September 12, 2019, 04:46:27 PM
I assume you are a person of great consequence, so how can I argue?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Hockeylife on September 12, 2019, 09:45:27 PM
First the wave should be their 1. Second you have couches rating games. The same couch’s that draft teams and call them aa tear1. When they should be bb. How can you have a couch evaluate talent, When they can’t even draft a team for themselves that’s aa level.   I Think it time to clean house and vote all Caha and scaha members out.  If not maybe the irs should be called in to look into the money they receive from clubs that they don’t report as income.  That will get them out of office and maybe in jail. That’s what they deserve for hurting kids. They hurt the wave kids. 2 wins one lose one tie and made tier 2. Lol. And you say shot on goal are goals scored. Last nhl game I watch the score was 2-1 so are you telling me that they need to score more. Y’all are idiots if you rate a team that wins poorly because the score wasn’t 10-9.  Next going to Northern California to play hockey is a joke.  Divide California into two leagues. The top two from norther and southern Cali can play for a state tittle. Next the super teams in youth hockey are stupid.  If you want to fix that make people play at there home rinks.  Let say the rink must be within 30 miles of there home.  Do like back east you can only play for two clubs if you burn bridges than your out of hockey.  The kings have a good ex player  number 19 I vote for him to be the head of youth hockey in southern Cali. At least he has the kids best interest. He wants them to play for the love of the game. Not for the dream of nhl.  So irs please look into all board members I bet they don’t report any money paid to them. Again they are idiots who only do good things for the teams that pay them.  Ps wave tied oc had 3 players out. Broken wrist, broken toe,and a hip problem. And they still did not lose. I’m going to take my kid to the wave next year. They seam to get it done. To bad the league hates them.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Teemu8 on September 12, 2019, 10:10:47 PM
That guy is cut off
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: keepdrinkinthekoolaid on September 13, 2019, 09:40:56 AM
First the wave should be their 1. Second you have couches rating games. The same couch’s that draft teams and call them aa tear1. When they should be bb. How can you have a couch evaluate talent, When they can’t even draft a team for themselves that’s aa level.   I Think it time to clean house and vote all Caha and scaha members out.  If not maybe the irs should be called in to look into the money they receive from clubs that they don’t report as income.  That will get them out of office and maybe in jail. That’s what they deserve for hurting kids. They hurt the wave kids. 2 wins one lose one tie and made tier 2. Lol. And you say shot on goal are goals scored. Last nhl game I watch the score was 2-1 so are you telling me that they need to score more. Y’all are idiots if you rate a team that wins poorly because the score wasn’t 10-9.  Next going to Northern California to play hockey is a joke.  Divide California into two leagues. The top two from norther and southern Cali can play for a state tittle. Next the super teams in youth hockey are stupid.  If you want to fix that make people play at there home rinks.  Let say the rink must be within 30 miles of there home.  Do like back east you can only play for two clubs if you burn bridges than your out of hockey.  The kings have a good ex player  number 19 I vote for him to be the head of youth hockey in southern Cali. At least he has the kids best interest. He wants them to play for the love of the game. Not for the dream of nhl.  So irs please look into all board members I bet they don’t report any money paid to them. Again they are idiots who only do good things for the teams that pay them.  Ps wave tied oc had 3 players out. Broken wrist, broken toe,and a hip problem. And they still did not lose. I’m going to take my kid to the wave next year. They seam to get it done. To bad the league hates them.
Don't know about you, but I personally find Hockeylife's first post:
A) The refreshingly bold and honest Official CAHA Response
OR
B) It's nice to hear from the President of The CA Wave Hockey Club
OR
C) A certain good ex-player, #19, has finally joined Calhockey
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: trans4761 on September 13, 2019, 10:07:28 AM
First the wave should be their 1. Second you have couches rating games. The same couch’s that draft teams and call them aa tear1. When they should be bb. How can you have a couch evaluate talent, When they can’t even draft a team for themselves that’s aa level.   I Think it time to clean house and vote all Caha and scaha members out.  If not maybe the irs should be called in to look into the money they receive from clubs that they don’t report as income.  That will get them out of office and maybe in jail. That’s what they deserve for hurting kids. They hurt the wave kids. 2 wins one lose one tie and made tier 2. Lol. And you say shot on goal are goals scored. Last nhl game I watch the score was 2-1 so are you telling me that they need to score more. Y’all are idiots if you rate a team that wins poorly because the score wasn’t 10-9.  Next going to Northern California to play hockey is a joke.  Divide California into two leagues. The top two from norther and southern Cali can play for a state tittle. Next the super teams in youth hockey are stupid.  If you want to fix that make people play at there home rinks.  Let say the rink must be within 30 miles of there home.  Do like back east you can only play for two clubs if you burn bridges than your out of hockey.  The kings have a good ex player  number 19 I vote for him to be the head of youth hockey in southern Cali. At least he has the kids best interest. He wants them to play for the love of the game. Not for the dream of nhl.  So irs please look into all board members I bet they don’t report any money paid to them. Again they are idiots who only do good things for the teams that pay them.  Ps wave tied oc had 3 players out. Broken wrist, broken toe,and a hip problem. And they still did not lose. I’m going to take my kid to the wave next year. They seam to get it done. To bad the league hates them.

Bad spelling, bad grammar , brought a tear to my eye.  Is this the reincarnation of Zam ?


Has the Russian gag order been withdrawn ?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 13, 2019, 11:00:18 AM
I don't know.  But that was fun to read.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Rainman on September 13, 2019, 06:35:11 PM
Wave moved to flight 1. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on September 13, 2019, 09:41:33 PM
Wave moved to flight 1.


Probably the funniest thing about Hockeylife's post.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: TheFourthA on September 14, 2019, 07:56:54 AM
Something has gotten lost in the debate over flighting, which is this: what should the standard be for AA?  I don’t know anywhere that CAHA has expressly set that out, although I suppose you can infer from the Mission Statement that an AA team is supposed to be competitive for the championship.  But what has happened is that each year we seem to debate which bubble team that did not get in got screwed because it was similar to a bubble team that did get in.  Icadad even argued that the standard should be whether a team is competitive with the low and middle teams.  That strikes me as too low and as a slippery slope:  with every team added that standard drops and the division gets weaker. Just a couple weeks ago, the thread was up in arms over Top AA talent leaving California.  Well, who do you think you were talking about?  When you look for the next wave of top AA kids who are poised to leave, look no further than Bears 1 and the Saints.  Maybe instead of factoring them out of the analysis for flighting, we should have thought about doing everything we could do get them to stay.  I am pretty sure that the answer wasn’t adding more games against bubble teams.










Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on September 14, 2019, 11:57:50 AM
Quote
That strikes me as too low and as a slippery slope:  with every team added that standard drops and the division gets weaker. Just a couple weeks ago, the thread was up in arms over Top AA talent leaving California.  Well, who do you think you were talking about?  When you look for the next wave of top AA kids who are poised to leave, look no further than Bears 1 and the Saints.  Maybe instead of factoring them out of the analysis for flighting, we should have thought about doing everything we could do get them to stay.  I am pretty sure that the answer wasn’t adding more games against bubble teams.


The problem is that the 2 teams you are talking about are AAA teams playing AA.  This makes AA a division where Flight1 teams are teams that "can keep from getting beaten really badly by the top teams."  Sure there are occasions when the AA teams pull off a David slew Goliath type upset, but there always seems to be 1 or 2 AA teams that are out of reach of the rest of the pack.  Take one or 2 of those teams out of AA, and you have a very different experience for the rest of the teams

Bantam AA 2016-2017 (Pre Flight year)
Bears 21-1-0  GD: 129
Sharks 19-2-2 GD: 137


Bantam AA 2017-2018
Bears 22-0-1  GD: 126
GSE 2 13-7-5  GD: 4


Bantam AA 2018-2019
Bears(1) 19-3-0 GD: 91
Saints(1) 15-5-1 GD: 32
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: RealDeal on September 14, 2019, 12:08:03 PM
First the wave should be their 1. Second you have couches rating games. The same couch’s that draft teams and call them aa tear1. When they should be bb. How can you have a couch evaluate talent, When they can’t even draft a team for themselves that’s aa level.   I Think it time to clean house and vote all Caha and scaha members out.  If not maybe the irs should be called in to look into the money they receive from clubs that they don’t report as income.  That will get them out of office and maybe in jail. That’s what they deserve for hurting kids. They hurt the wave kids. 2 wins one lose one tie and made tier 2. Lol. And you say shot on goal are goals scored. Last nhl game I watch the score was 2-1 so are you telling me that they need to score more. Y’all are idiots if you rate a team that wins poorly because the score wasn’t 10-9.  Next going to Northern California to play hockey is a joke.  Divide California into two leagues. The top two from norther and southern Cali can play for a state tittle. Next the super teams in youth hockey are stupid.  If you want to fix that make people play at there home rinks.  Let say the rink must be within 30 miles of there home.  Do like back east you can only play for two clubs if you burn bridges than your out of hockey.  The kings have a good ex player  number 19 I vote for him to be the head of youth hockey in southern Cali. At least he has the kids best interest. He wants them to play for the love of the game. Not for the dream of nhl.  So irs please look into all board members I bet they don’t report any money paid to them. Again they are idiots who only do good things for the teams that pay them.  Ps wave tied oc had 3 players out. Broken wrist, broken toe,and a hip problem. And they still did not lose. I’m going to take my kid to the wave next year. They seam to get it done. To bad the league hates them.


One thing my mom used to tell me that made no sense at the time but that makes a lot of sense now that I’m older, is that “they” (corrupt/incompetent/bad people) don’t stop until they hit a wall.  Meaning that if CAHA personnel and board members are more interested in money and power than in developing hockey players, or even if they’re simply incompetent, they’re not going to change, even if parents complain nonstop.  Why?  Because we’re all still paying into the system, i.e. they haven’t hit a wall.  They may change a rule to appease a few people, or release a PR statement about listening to the parents blah blah blah,  but I do think that once an incompetent or greedy group of people goes down the road of chasing money and power, it’s very hard if not impossible to turn them around without extremely major personnel changes.I’m wondering if one way to fix California club hockey is to reapportion the board membership so that a majority of seats on the board are held by individual clubs other than the big three.  AND no club can have more than one member on the board. Also, the CAHA website should state in greater detail who these board members are, including what their specific relationship to hockey is, what club they are or have been associated with – whatever information is relevant to parents knowing what their biases might be.  But it's absolutely essential to have extremely major personnel changes on the board.  Nothing else will work. California hockey is broken, and the people who broke it should not be in charge.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Hockey sophist on September 14, 2019, 03:25:25 PM

"One thing my mom used to tell me that made no sense at the time but that makes a lot of sense now that I’m older, is that “they” (corrupt/incompetent/bad people) don’t stop until they hit a wall.  Meaning that if CAHA personnel and board members are more interested in money and power than in developing hockey players, or even if they’re simply incompetent, they’re not going to change, even if parents complain nonstop.  Why?  Because we’re all still paying into the system, i.e. they haven’t hit a wall.  They may change a rule to appease a few people, or release a PR statement about listening to the parents blah blah blah,  but I do think that once an incompetent or greedy group of people goes down the road of chasing money and power, it’s very hard if not impossible to turn them around without extremely major personnel changes.I’m wondering if one way to fix California club hockey is to reapportion the board membership so that a majority of seats on the board are held by individual clubs other than the big three.  AND no club can have more than one member on the board. Also, the CAHA website should state in greater detail who these board members are, including what their specific relationship to hockey is, what club they are or have been associated with – whatever information is relevant to parents knowing what their biases might be.  But it's absolutely essential to have extremely major personnel changes on the board.  Nothing else will work. California hockey is broken, and the people who broke it should not be in charge."
We gave up on California club hockey.   Not sure I could say it is only about money and power; perhaps it about imposing one's vision of hockey correctness, a kissing cousin of political correctness.

If one cannot influence the system, then one needs to seek out other alternatives if your son loves ice hockey.
There is another alternative to Prep School or accepting the dysfunctions of CAHA hockey and that is playing HS Division 1 as a 9th grader or Bantam major.    It is a lot cheaper than AAA and a little less money than AA.  It fits into a commitment to academics far better than either tier1 or 2 hockey.   There is a lot less time wasted on freeways, which is import once homework increases and becomes critical to university admissions.  Varsity level of play offers more, faster. and perhaps better competition than Flight 1 of BNAA.  There are more games and more competitive games during a season.  An unexpected bonus is our son had 7 real games on Labor Day weekend; we did not have to drive to N. California for a bad imitation of hockey that is the Jamboree and the varsity games are 17 minute periods, which means a lot more ice time.   Last weekend there were 4 exhibition games.  11 games in two weekends!  Another bonus is that practices are maybe the best in 8 years of playing hockey.   Div 1 and Div 2 are attracting the best coaches in So. California. 

This is an option that AA Bantam majors should consider and it might be a good fit and an alternative for even some AAA players who value academics over hockey.  Just as nearly all roads lead to the "beer league" eventually, the most likely road leads to HS over club hockey for most but the most affluent and talented hockey players by Midget.   Why not start a year early as a Bantam major?
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Nowhearthis on September 16, 2019, 08:30:47 AM
Sooo True HS.  We have one that decided to quit for other sport and one in AD High School system.  It has been SUCH an improvement in experience (on every issue) and that is why it continues to blossom.  Back to true developing and having fun.  And never look back, except to confirm our decision and shake our heads as to why folks continue on the train.   Like staying in a bad job.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 16, 2019, 09:50:23 AM
Disagree.  High School hockey is goonery with few skilled players.  This has been my consistent,  proven experience even with Division 1 So Cal HS Hockey.  High School players who also play club play the same glaring way.  Don't waste your time. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: SkatingDad on September 16, 2019, 03:14:28 PM
Disagree.  High School hockey is goonery with few skilled players.  This has been my consistent,  proven experience even with Division 1 So Cal HS Hockey.  High School players who also play club play the same glaring way.  Don't waste your time.


As a rule, the less skilled a player is, the more of a goon they are because they have nothing else.  HS is full of less skilled players...
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: GriffinsTendy on September 17, 2019, 11:11:24 AM
Does anyone know or heard of any teams getting relegated from tier 2 down to "A"? I just watched the Bears 1 vs. Empire 06'.......painful to say the least.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Hockey sophist on September 17, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
Disagree.  High School hockey is goonery with few skilled players.  This has been my consistent,  proven experience even with Division 1 So Cal HS Hockey.  High School players who also play club play the same glaring way.  Don't waste your time.
Don't know for sure you are responding to my advocacy of D-1 HS as an option over CAHA or prep school but the "goonery" comment is somewhat subjective.   At last season's SCAHA or CAHA Selects camp, a parent complained to me about the "goonery" of a AA player directed at his son, a AAA player, who was hurt.  I have observed both players and both are excellent players; both made Pacific Selects.   I remember the play in question and it was not "goonery."  It was a hard competitive play.    If anything it was a sense of entitlement of some SoCal AAA parents.  Implicit:  How dare my son be checked hard!   And by a AA player!   

My preliminary observation is that D-1 is faster and slightly less skilled than the best of AA Bantams, AAA, or Selects.   D-1 may be more physical but that has more to do with the fact that a 14 year old is playing with and against 15-18 year olds.  My initial observation is not the play of other players but the inconsistency of how fouls are called but that is a problem at all age groups and levels of play.   

But maybe the key point is that D-1 and D-2 havd many of the best coaches in So Cal; coaches who do not teach goon hockey.   Teen athletes an be emotional and intense on the field of play whether that is a rink, a soccer field, or a football field.
 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Fowlmood on September 17, 2019, 12:21:23 PM
I am not talking about one observation.  I am talking about several observations, as in a trend.  I don't have an issue with checking at all.  It is the consistency with which ckecking is done not to take the puck at all and if a check can be administered with the opposition in a vulnerable position, then all the more it seems to be done.  The AA player you mentioned probably plays high school hockey too.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: TopCornzzz on September 17, 2019, 03:08:01 PM
Is there any truth that some current California AA teams are either beating or at least competitive with California AAA teams at the bantam level? If this is the case I am not sure why AAA parents would be surprised by the skill level, toughness, or competitiveness of AA kids. 
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Strawman on September 17, 2019, 06:50:36 PM
Is there any truth that some current California AA teams are either beating or at least competitive with California AAA teams at the bantam level? If this is the case I am not sure why AAA parents would be surprised by the skill level, toughness, or competitiveness of AA kids.


Most AAA parents literally never watch a AA game after their little McDavid turns 10 and becomes one of the anointed, so it's inconceivable to them that there could be any good AA players. That said, every year there’s talk among AA parents about this or that AA team “really” being a AAA team and the hype is rarely true. The last one I can remember that was a legit AAA team was Bears 03.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: Clue12345 on September 17, 2019, 07:02:16 PM
Does anyone know or heard of any teams getting relegated from tier 2 down to "A"? I just watched the Bears 1 vs. Empire 06'.......painful to say the least.
I think that they have already done that. Empire was not dropped but made flight 2.
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: JackBender on September 17, 2019, 08:48:41 PM
Is there any truth that some current California AA teams are either beating or at least competitive with California AAA teams at the bantam level? If this is the case I am not sure why AAA parents would be surprised by the skill level, toughness, or competitiveness of AA kids.


Most AAA parents literally never watch a AA game after their little McDavid turns 10 and becomes one of the anointed, so it's inconceivable to them that there could be any good AA players. That said, every year there’s talk among AA parents about this or that AA team “really” being a AAA team and the hype is rarely true. The last one I can remember that was a legit AAA team was Bears 03.


Guess rarely is every other year because Bears(1) beat Ducks 06AAA 8-2 two weeks ago and then beat Ducks 05AAA 4-2 this past weekend. Oh, and they're not even the best AA team in the state as the Saints tied Bears(1) at the Jamboree 2-2 and then beat them in the first preseason game 4-1. Both teams are loaded with AAA talent and will make a serious run at Nationals.   
Title: Re: What Bantam AA Teams for 2019-2020?
Post by: lcadad on September 17, 2019, 10:47:11 PM
I wasn't going to write anything about this, but I've been expecting a tipping point where my predictions about the way the AAA and AA divisions have effected the youth hockey scene, and the scarcity of AAA opportunity would eventually take us to the place we are at, where there are 2 AA teams that can beat 2 of the 3 California AAA teams AT AGE GROUP, and possibly even beat all 3. 


Kids in AA don't have it easy when they play AA in their minor year, and there are an awful lot of kids in AA who have done that.   There's also an awful lot of defections.  Everyone knows there are kids in AA who could make their way onto a AAA roster if they showed up for a tryout.  Conversely, you have an awful lot of AAA families deciding to play AA now even down into the U12 division, as they question the travel and expense of the AAA system here.