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Hockey Discussions => Peewee Hockey => Topic started by: RonSwanson1 on February 05, 2020, 07:06:08 AM
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Here come the Gold Rush. Errrr.. the Ducks I guess... anyone have any idea how what transpired is even allowed
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What are you referring to???
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Did goldrush apply for aaa for their 09 team and get rejected?
Kids jumping to ducks is my guess
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Welcome to CAHA. If they did apply there was zero chance that they would have a AAA team. Look at the Bears they dominate the 14U AA every year, but CAHA never gives them a AAA and simply allow them to take the AA title every year. And they're not in the Kings or Ducks back yard.
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Details are scattered but the GR09 team will play as the ducks out of LF. Obviously, there will be a "tryout." Similar to when Ducks took over OC
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Sounds like a Ducks purchase of the GR - gobble up the competition, upgrade for AAA, collect those dues.
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Do the 09s still get to use the wearedifferent hashtag on social media?
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Are the Ducks taking over the whole GoldRush program?
Wouldn’t it be easier if we just eliminated all non ducks and kings programs
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Welcome to CAHA. If they did apply there was zero chance that they would have a AAA team. Look at the Bears they dominate the 14U AA every year, but CAHA never gives them a AAA and simply allow them to take the AA title every year. And they're not in the Kings or Ducks back yard.
The Bears don't apply for AAA status.
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This is hilarious on so many levels. Where are these players coming from? The SQA team? The PWA team? Their PWAA teams?
Are you saying that the 11AAA Minor will have (2) ducks teams next year, but one is mostly GR players?
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Ducks gave GR their 09 status, will send 5 kids to GR so it sticks to the transfer rules (the GR kids couldnt go the other way) and they will wear duck uniforms but play out of GR rink. 1 Pee Wee AAA 09 team
Harry Dunne:[/size]Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself![/color]
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Is this really true? I feel like I'm reading the Onion! :o
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The GR09 group is legit -- they play up at PWAA as a team this season. Ranked #3 in US. The rumor is that the Ducks acquired the GR, so all those kids are now "Ducks" and will step into tryouts as Ducks09 AAA candidates. No PDR issues since they are all "Ducks" already. If true, the Ducks just expanded their base fairly substantially.
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Many GR sources are confirming that this is a one off deal. No acquisition of the GR, just the ducks AAA 09 play out of LF and are coached by GR (now ducks) coaches.... And yes this reads like the Onion
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The GR09 group is legit -- they play up at PWAA as a team this season. Ranked #3 in US. The rumor is that the Ducks acquired the GR, so all those kids are now "Ducks" and will step into tryouts as Ducks09 AAA candidates. No PDR issues since they are all "Ducks" already. If true, the Ducks just expanded their base fairly substantially.
Oh, I see it now. They are not ranked as they are not a AAA '09 team, but they are playing AA in CAHA. The rating suggests they are a top 5 '09 team for sure.
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Welcome to CAHA. If they did apply there was zero chance that they would have a AAA team. Look at the Bears they dominate the 14U AA every year, but CAHA never gives them a AAA and simply allow them to take the AA title every year. And they're not in the Kings or Ducks back yard.
The Bears have only applied for a AAA team twice that I know of. From what I've been told it requires a significant amount of time and effort in putting together a justification.
There are however, CAHA rules that prevent smaller clubs from having a AAA team at any level. Those rules require that the club have 2 AA teams before they can have a AAA team. This is why GR wouldn't be able to have a AAA team. This same rule was used to strip the Titans of their longstanding AAA Midget program.
Under the existing CAHA bylaws, there was no way that GR would be able to apply and obtain a AAA team.
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That's why they DO have 2 PWAA teams this year - so they satisfy that rule.
By other means, obviously, CAHA wouldn't give them AAA
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That's why they DO have 2 PWAA teams this year - so they satisfy that rule.
By other means, obviously, CAHA wouldn't give them AAA
My bad, did not realize that. They would still need however to maintain the 2 teams + 1 AAA team in the coming season.
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I guess that was initial plan or back up plan - but then Plan X went into place- playing under Ducks umbrella - so now they could care less about GR other programs as owner's son is part of 09 group
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Bears did apply this year. Its unfortunate that CAHA can see the valley has enough talent to fill a AAA team. As for the requirement smaller teams can band together to count toward the tier status. So if Heat and Bears or Flyers and Bears or whatever those teams would count toward the overall level to field a AAA team. The problem is no one gets along and can't see working together for the players and are only looking out for #1.
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Perhaps in light of the ID's successful appeal, I've heard rumor the Bears are also appealing their denial. Will be interesting to see what happens next.
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The following is the rule. If the north part of the county could get together and put differences aside these teams (Bears, Heat, Mariners, Flyers, Ice Hawks, Condors) could petition for a north county AAA program. Practice at different rinks so everyone gets $ and every kid gets an opportunity.
6.23 Consolidated Tier Teams To promote the development of Tier teams among smaller Member Associations, this rule defines a consolidated Tier team as any Tier team formed by two (2) or more Member Associations
6.23-1 A consolidated Tier team must be registered and rostered using the USA Hockey association number of one of the consolidating Member Associations. The CAHA number used may be rotated among the Member Associations forming the teams from year to year.
6.23-2 The players on a consolidated team will be considered to be part of the Member Association rostering the team for the purpose of voting and all other CAHA administrative actions where player counts are used.
6.23-3 Consolidation of Member Clubs’ Tier programs require written notification which includes detailed program structure be submitted to CAHA for review and approval by April 30. None of the clubs involved in the consolidation can field separate Tier teams while the consolidation exists.
6.23-4 The consolidated teams must have a name different than either of the consolidated Member Associations.
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Bears did apply this year. Its unfortunate that CAHA can see the valley has enough talent to fill a AAA team. As for the requirement smaller teams can band together to count toward the tier status. So if Heat and Bears or Flyers and Bears or whatever those teams would count toward the overall level to field a AAA team. The problem is no one gets along and can't see working together for the players and are only looking out for #1.
VERY true and valid point--up in NorCal as well. There are clubs and factions that establish their fiefdoms and won't work with anyone else because of it--and/or try and beg/borrow/steal each others players etc. GSE is a great example of what you are talking about, and has been very successful at it...but the irrational fiefdoms still exist. Pretty stupid to put clubs and/or polarizing coaches above the kids...but it happens. When you discuss what is wrong with CAHA--you CANNOT ignore the member clubs and their part in all of this...
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Bears did apply this year. Its unfortunate that CAHA can see the valley has enough talent to fill a AAA team. As for the requirement smaller teams can band together to count toward the tier status. So if Heat and Bears or Flyers and Bears or whatever those teams would count toward the overall level to field a AAA team. The problem is no one gets along and can't see working together for the players and are only looking out for #1.
VERY true and valid point--up in NorCal as well. There are clubs and factions that establish their fiefdoms and won't work with anyone else because of it--and/or try and beg/borrow/steal each others players etc. GSE is a great example of what you are talking about, and has been very successful at it...but the irrational fiefdoms still exist. Pretty stupid to put clubs and/or polarizing coaches above the kids...but it happens. When you discuss what is wrong with CAHA--you CANNOT ignore the member clubs and their part in all of this...
Bravo! CAHA's bread isn't the only loaf that's moldy!
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Bears did apply this year. Its unfortunate that CAHA can see the valley has enough talent to fill a AAA team. As for the requirement smaller teams can band together to count toward the tier status. So if Heat and Bears or Flyers and Bears or whatever those teams would count toward the overall level to field a AAA team. The problem is no one gets along and can't see working together for the players and are only looking out for #1.
I like this idea... mock district boarders. Great example too: Bakersfield, Valencia, Heat, Bears (as a group/district) should be eligible to combine and put out AAA teams at each level. Rotate home rink yearly, rotate tryouts, share coaching rolls yearly (option to follow an age group year after year)... You could do this all over SoCal. End up with 6 regions easily. Then you could prevent kings/ducks from their monopoly by forcing players to play/try-out for their district locally. Love it.
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Bears did apply this year. Its unfortunate that CAHA can see the valley has enough talent to fill a AAA team. As for the requirement smaller teams can band together to count toward the tier status. So if Heat and Bears or Flyers and Bears or whatever those teams would count toward the overall level to field a AAA team. The problem is no one gets along and can't see working together for the players and are only looking out for #1.
I like this idea... mock district boarders. Great example too: Bakersfield, Valencia, Heat, Bears (as a group/district) should be eligible to combine and put out AAA teams at each level. Rotate home rink yearly, rotate tryouts, share coaching rolls yearly (option to follow an age group year after year)... You could do this all over SoCal. End up with 6 regions easily. Then you could prevent kings/ducks from their monopoly by forcing players to play/try-out for their district locally. Love it.
So to enforce this wold you keep a kid from the valley from playing on the ducks or kings? What if a kid from Sherman Oaks wants to play for the kings? The problem with this plan is that unless you forbid kids from playing out of their district then the best kids will gravitate to one or two clubs and you will end up with a lopsided division. This doesn't even work in toronto. Bottom 3 teams in that league at 09 are combined 13-64-14 and that is probably the best bottom 3 out of all levels. If you do forbid kids the option of playing out of their district, you've only shifted the unhappiness from one parent group to another.
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That little Gold rush team plays hard. I have seen them twice and admired their effort. We will be rooting them on!!!
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Bears did apply this year. Its unfortunate that CAHA can see the valley has enough talent to fill a AAA team. As for the requirement smaller teams can band together to count toward the tier status. So if Heat and Bears or Flyers and Bears or whatever those teams would count toward the overall level to field a AAA team. The problem is no one gets along and can't see working together for the players and are only looking out for #1.
I like this idea... mock district boarders. Great example too: Bakersfield, Valencia, Heat, Bears (as a group/district) should be eligible to combine and put out AAA teams at each level. Rotate home rink yearly, rotate tryouts, share coaching rolls yearly (option to follow an age group year after year)... You could do this all over SoCal. End up with 6 regions easily. Then you could prevent kings/ducks from their monopoly by forcing players to play/try-out for their district locally. Love it.
So to enforce this wold you keep a kid from the valley from playing on the ducks or kings? What if a kid from Sherman Oaks wants to play for the kings? The problem with this plan is that unless you forbid kids from playing out of their district then the best kids will gravitate to one or two clubs and you will end up with a lopsided division. This doesn't even work in toronto. Bottom 3 teams in that league at 09 are combined 13-64-14 and that is probably the best bottom 3 out of all levels. If you do forbid kids the option of playing out of their district, you've only shifted the unhappiness from one parent group to another.
This wouldn't prevent it, but it would make it so kids have more opportunities. Play with the Kings all you want, but traveling from Bakersfield or Santa Barbara is a tough call. Should those kids just not have an opportunity? Look at the east coast take the E9 or the Fed, those leagues have 6 - 9 teams or more bottom teams are terrible. Maybe 6 districts are too much so that we don't dummy things down, but Mr Orr you must agree a 6 game season sucks.
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Numbers too low? Not enough players signed up in CA? Playing LOCALLY will NEVER develop the worlds greatest players, let alone USA?!?!?
Here is an excerpt from an article written by The Big Swede - Victor Hedman:
To a lot of people, this might seem strange. I hear stories about youth hockey in America and Canada, and kids jumping around from team to team. There’s all kinds of travel teams you have to try out for, and expensive camps, and coaches to impress.
But in Sweden, it’s more of a family atmosphere. At least when I was young. I know it has changed a bit lately. Until I was 14, there were no “tryouts.†If you’re born in O-vik, you play for MoDo or one of the other local teams. In fact, the Sedin twins and Markus Naslund played for a team called Järved, on an outdoor rink. There are different levels, but you are never cut. When people talk about Swedish hockey, they often mention the “chemistry†of the players. But really, it’s a total philosophy of community that starts when you’re young.
The rest of the article is here if you want to grow your mind... the rest will follow.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/victor-hedman-lightning-sweden-hockey (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/victor-hedman-lightning-sweden-hockey)
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Not sure I understand your point.
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Numbers too low? Not enough players signed up in CA? Playing LOCALLY will NEVER develop the worlds greatest players, let alone USA?!?!?
Here is an excerpt from an article written by The Big Swede - Victor Hedman:
To a lot of people, this might seem strange. I hear stories about youth hockey in America and Canada, and kids jumping around from team to team. There’s all kinds of travel teams you have to try out for, and expensive camps, and coaches to impress.
But in Sweden, it’s more of a family atmosphere. At least when I was young. I know it has changed a bit lately. Until I was 14, there were no “tryouts.†If you’re born in O-vik, you play for MoDo or one of the other local teams. In fact, the Sedin twins and Markus Naslund played for a team called Järved, on an outdoor rink. There are different levels, but you are never cut. When people talk about Swedish hockey, they often mention the “chemistry†of the players. But really, it’s a total philosophy of community that starts when you’re young.
The rest of the article is here if you want to grow your mind... the rest will follow.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/victor-hedman-lightning-sweden-hockey (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/victor-hedman-lightning-sweden-hockey)
He's right - the N American youth hockey scene is nuts - this is the time of year in Toronto and Detroit that they start telling 8 and 9 yr old kids that they won't be invited back next year so they can have enough time to secure a spot on a new team before tryouts (because we all know that no one makes a team at tryouts). In Toronto they're not supposed to recruit before season's end so they have "birthday skates." The parents rent the ice for a scrimmage and they invite the potential recruits to come play under the guise of a birthday party. The coach watches from the stands so no rules are broken.
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Parents want exposure and clubs want $$$. Need
To go to clubs Spring hockey skills, scrimmage and coaches lessons if you want a shot a team.
Here is to multi-sport athletes
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Not sure I understand your point.
If you look into the history of Swedish hockey development, they turned it around right when Hedman was playing youth hockey. What did they do? They claim the biggest thing they did was IMPROVE COACHING. In other words, he didn't have to follow the money and pay $$$ for supposed great coaching far, far away. He competed in a system that gave everyone a chance...
Playing a part in that is the fact that from May through November each year, the Swedish federation invites 2,000 players ages 14-18 to one of 45 player-development camps. The federation then aims to invite 800 of the best 14-year-olds back the following year. That list is ultimately pared down to 30 by the time they are good enough to play for the Under-20 World Championship team.
Wow, 45 camps for 2,000 players?!?! Sounds a bit more advantageous if CAHA were to adopt a similar system. Yes, treat CA like its own country. Provide more opportunities.
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Not sure I understand your point.
If you look into the history of Swedish hockey development, they turned it around right when Hedman was playing youth hockey. What did they do? They claim the biggest thing they did was IMPROVE COACHING. In other words, he didn't have to follow the money and pay $$$ for supposed great coaching far, far away. He competed in a system that gave everyone a chance...
Playing a part in that is the fact that from May through November each year, the Swedish federation invites 2,000 players ages 14-18 to one of 45 player-development camps. The federation then aims to invite 800 of the best 14-year-olds back the following year. That list is ultimately pared down to 30 by the time they are good enough to play for the Under-20 World Championship team.
Wow, 45 camps for 2,000 players?!?! Sounds a bit more advantageous if CAHA were to adopt a similar system. Yes, treat CA like its own country. Provide more opportunities.
Hockey is also essentially free in Sweden, like healthcare. That's what enables a country of 10M people to be an international contender in the sport every year. Good luck making that work in the USA.
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Not sure I understand your point.
If you look into the history of Swedish hockey development, they turned it around right when Hedman was playing youth hockey. What did they do? They claim the biggest thing they did was IMPROVE COACHING. In other words, he didn't have to follow the money and pay $$$ for supposed great coaching far, far away. He competed in a system that gave everyone a chance...
Playing a part in that is the fact that from May through November each year, the Swedish federation invites 2,000 players ages 14-18 to one of 45 player-development camps. The federation then aims to invite 800 of the best 14-year-olds back the following year. That list is ultimately pared down to 30 by the time they are good enough to play for the Under-20 World Championship team.
Wow, 45 camps for 2,000 players?!?! Sounds a bit more advantageous if CAHA were to adopt a similar system. Yes, treat CA like its own country. Provide more opportunities.
Hockey is also essentially free in Sweden, like healthcare. That's what enables a country of 10M people to be an international contender in the sport every year. Good luck making that work in the USA.
It is already done.... ***The more you know....
There are almost 8,000 registered USA hockey players ages 11-18 in the state of CA. A.K.A. people already paying to play hockey. Looks like when you do the math, your argument becomes a non sequitur. Thanks though.
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Not sure I understand your point.
If you look into the history of Swedish hockey development, they turned it around right when Hedman was playing youth hockey. What did they do? They claim the biggest thing they did was IMPROVE COACHING. In other words, he didn't have to follow the money and pay $$$ for supposed great coaching far, far away. He competed in a system that gave everyone a chance...
Playing a part in that is the fact that from May through November each year, the Swedish federation invites 2,000 players ages 14-18 to one of 45 player-development camps. The federation then aims to invite 800 of the best 14-year-olds back the following year. That list is ultimately pared down to 30 by the time they are good enough to play for the Under-20 World Championship team.
Wow, 45 camps for 2,000 players?!?! Sounds a bit more advantageous if CAHA were to adopt a similar system. Yes, treat CA like its own country. Provide more opportunities.
Hockey is also essentially free in Sweden, like healthcare. That's what enables a country of 10M people to be an international contender in the sport every year. Good luck making that work in the USA.
It is already done.... ***The more you know....
There are almost 8,000 registered USA hockey players ages 11-18 in the state of CA. A.K.A. people already paying to play hockey. Looks like when you do the math, your argument becomes a non sequitur. Thanks though.
Sorry, have you started drinking early?
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What accounts for the increased number of US players being drafted? Nothing is perfect and a Scandinavian culture and a US culture are two different animals. I will agree that coaching is the key to better development of players, but that is true everywhere. Great coaching builds great players no matter the system.
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What accounts for the increased number of US players being drafted? Nothing is perfect and a Scandinavian culture and a US culture are two different animals. I will agree that coaching is the key to better development of players, but that is true everywhere. Great coaching builds great players no matter the system.
There can only be one culture. That's hockey culture.
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