Calhockey.com
Hockey Discussions => Midget Hockey => Topic started by: notTHATdad on March 09, 2020, 09:49:51 AM
-
Just opening this up as a topic.
I've been surprised at the lack of communication from USAHockey on this topic.
With the IIHF World women's championships being cancelled, are Nationals going to happen? Should they be insisting on team-travel only in order to reduce the number of people in attendance? What about camps?
Is it affecting anyone's plans this spring?
-
Bro, I was all over this a week ago... here's the link:
https://www.calhockey.com/index.php/topic,4606.0.html (https://www.calhockey.com/index.php/topic,4606.0.html)
CA is in a state of emergency. Both LA and Bay Area have been compromised because of travelers and cruise ships.
THIS IS REAL!!!There are hundreds/thousands of families preparing to TRAVEL all over the state of CALIFORNIA for playoffs and championships. Our state and the LOCATIONS FOR THESE TOURNAMENTS (LA and San Jose) are legitimately unsafe currently. What are you going to do?!?!? What is your Plan of action/precautions!?!?! -Signed by ANY RATIONAL PERSON WHO IS TYPICALLY NOT A MORON
You/we need to get this topic going. I posted it in the "SCAHA, Norcal and CAHA Discussions" area thinking all divisions should see it.
-
Bro, I was all over this a week ago... here's the link:
https://www.calhockey.com/index.php/topic,4606.0.html (https://www.calhockey.com/index.php/topic,4606.0.html)
CA is in a state of emergency. Both LA and Bay Area have been compromised because of travelers and cruise ships.
THIS IS REAL!!!There are hundreds/thousands of families preparing to TRAVEL all over the state of CALIFORNIA for playoffs and championships. Our state and the LOCATIONS FOR THESE TOURNAMENTS (LA and San Jose) are legitimately unsafe currently. What are you going to do?!?!? What is your Plan of action/precautions!?!?! -Signed by ANY RATIONAL PERSON WHO IS TYPICALLY NOT A MORON
You/we need to get this topic going. I posted it in the "SCAHA, Norcal and CAHA Discussions" area thinking all divisions should see it.
[size=78%]
I'm more interested specifically about people's Midget plans, as the spring is actually a pretty big and important travel season for 15's and 16's with natty's, but also combines. Also not interested in hyperbola :-) Just people's actual plans. We all get that it is real. Particularly having just got back from Seattle for districts!
[/size]
-
I too have a burgeoning midget who wants to attend camps and do some spring/summer travel tournaments. This topic is of great interest. Sometimes when your hyperbole is hyper enough, people pay attention! ;)
Some events (like Coachella Fest) are preparing by installing hundreds of hand sanitizer stations while other events are cancelling completely. When it comes to hotels, rink venues, etc. What can you control?
-
Team travel seems a no-brainer for teams, but for camps does not work.
For Seattle a few of us rented a house through AirBnB which was a great solution - much more private, and much lower cost as well. Staying out of hotels right now seems an easy and wise thing to do.
-
Santa Clara County reports new cases, bans large gatherings...
[/size]
[/size]So the ban is for 1,000 or more. Yikes. FYI this is San Jose area. [/size] [/color]
-
Here is the opinion from USA Hockey:
March 3, 2020
[/color]We continue to regularly monitor concerns associated with coronavirus (COVID-19) and wanted to take a moment to provide an update as it relates to USA Hockey activities, including upcoming District and National tournaments at all levels.
[/color]Our top priority, as you know, is the safety of everyone involved with USA Hockey. We’re extremely fortunate to have Dr. Michael Stuart from the Mayo Clinic as our chief medical and safety officer, someone who brings vast experience, connectivity across the country and world, and an even hand in helping guide our organization on safety-related issues.
[/color]Dr. Stuart, who is also a member of the International Ice Hockey Federation Medical Committee, has shared the importance that everyone follow the guidelines below and regularly visit the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (http://cdc.gov/) and World Health Organization (http://who.int/) websites for additional information:[/font][/size][/color]Practice frequent and meticulous hand-washing with soap and water or alcohol-based hand rub
- Avoid touching your eyes, nose, or mouth with unwashed hands
- Cover your nose and mouth when coughing and/or sneezing with a tissue or flexed elbow
- Avoid close contact with anyone with cold or flu-like symptoms
- Quarantine anyone who is sick (players, coaches, parents, roommates)
- Ensure safe food sources; thoroughly cook meat and eggs
- Handshake lines after games should include fist bumps with gloves on
- Use individual water bottles; do not share them
- Towels should not be shared in any way
- [/size]While the coronavirus is without question a significant concern, as of today, all activities within USA Hockey will go on as planned. It is important to note, however, that the situation is fluid and we will provide updates as warranted.[/size][/color]It is worth noting that as of today, there are no directives from the CDC to avoid domestic travel, limit large groups or cancel sporting events.[/color]Thank you for your diligence in following the guidelines above and continuing to stay engaged with this important topic.
-
But local governments are limiting gatherings. Sadly, I no longer trust this new CDC.
-
It's freaking bad cold for crying out loud. It's not this virus that will end us. It's the rampant fear.
-
That’s right - let’s be like Italy
-
USA hockey canceled all nationals
-
It's freaking bad cold for crying out loud. It's not this virus that will end us. It's the rampant fear.
Well if some SoCal hockey dads can’t figure this out we are all really f$cked.
-
SCAHA CORONA VIRUS MESSAGE Corona virus and semi finals and finals
Published On : Mar 12 2020 03:53 AM Hello Hockey Families[/size]As you may know, in late December the first case of Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) was reported in Wuhan, China. Since that time, many health organizations around the world have been following the virus closely, by January 21 the first case on US soil was confirmed. As with any newly emerging infectious disease, knowledge evolves with time and recommendations are changing rapidly. We are closely monitoring information from public health officials and will continue to follow their prevention guidelines to help keep everyone in our hockey community stay informed. This weekend is our final weekend for hockey in Scaha - We are aware that in Northern California the area's are advising to keep and public gathering to under 1000 people. From a semi final perspective, we have 20 games spread across 4 facilities - so the gatherings at each facility on Saturday will certainly be reasonable and will reflect a typical SCAHA weekend in general.For Sunday (Championship Day), We will be hosting 10 games total - playing games on both sheets. As long as families do not linger after their championship game, we will be good with that 1,000 person guideline. (20 team members x 8 teams in the building at any one time with approx 3-4 family members per player is approx 800 people).We ask our families to please me mindful of this guideline, and keep your attendance to your immediate family only. Norcal, due to their county's requirements - are handing out wristbands and are limiting attendance to just two people per player. We currently do not have such a requirement from the county. The King's facility supports live barn on the internet - so the game is available to watch live remotely for extended family and friends. (great news). We will also be changing our post game handshakes - We will limit them to a single line of fist bumps after the game with the gloves remaining on the hands. We will forgo the extended handshakes when awarding the hardware after the game.While at the facility: Please use the friendly elbow bump or fist bump to say hello. Wash your hands frequently with warm, soapy water for at least 20 seconds. Cough and sneeze etiquette is encouraged Clean frequently touched surfaces. Please do not linger. After your game, please head on out and enjoy the rest of the afternoon.We will stay informed and will let everyone know if events change in this dynamic situation. If you would like more information on the Coronavirus, please refer to: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019 (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019) Kind regards,SCAHA
[/size][/font][/color]
-
USA hockey canceled all nationals
This is just the start of the nonsense
https://www.usahockey.com/playersafety (https://www.usahockey.com/playersafety)
I wonder what people think about MHR now...
-
SCAHA CORONA VIRUS MESSAGE Corona virus and semi finals and finals
Published On : Mar 12 2020 03:53 AM Hello Hockey FamiliesAs you may know, in late December the first case of Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) was reported in Wuhan, China. Since that time, many health organizations around the world have been following the virus closely, by January 21 the first case on US soil was confirmed. As with any newly emerging infectious disease, knowledge evolves with time and recommendations are changing rapidly. We are closely monitoring information from public health officials and will continue to follow their prevention guidelines to help keep everyone in our hockey community stay informed. This weekend is our final weekend for hockey in Scaha - We are aware that in Northern California the area's are advising to keep and public gathering to under 1000 people. From a semi final perspective, we have 20 games spread across 4 facilities - so the gatherings at each facility on Saturday will certainly be reasonable and will reflect a typical SCAHA weekend in general.For Sunday (Championship Day), We will be hosting 10 games total - playing games on both sheets. As long as families do not linger after their championship game, we will be good with that 1,000 person guideline. (20 team members x 8 teams in the building at any one time with approx 3-4 family members per player is approx 800 people).We ask our families to please me mindful of this guideline, and keep your attendance to your immediate family only. Norcal, due to their county's requirements - are handing out wristbands and are limiting attendance to just two people per player. We currently do not have such a requirement from the county. The King's facility supports live barn on the internet - so the game is available to watch live remotely for extended family and friends. (great news). We will also be changing our post game handshakes - We will limit them to a single line of fist bumps after the game with the gloves remaining on the hands. We will forgo the extended handshakes when awarding the hardware after the game.While at the facility: Please use the friendly elbow bump or fist bump to say hello. Wash your hands frequently with warm, soapy water for at least 20 seconds. Cough and sneeze etiquette is encouraged Clean frequently touched surfaces. Please do not linger. After your game, please head on out and enjoy the rest of the afternoon.We will stay informed and will let everyone know if events change in this dynamic situation. If you would like more information on the Coronavirus, please refer to: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019 (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019) Kind regards,SCAHA
"We will also be changing our post game handshakes - We will limit them to a single line of fist bumps after the game with the gloves remaining on the hands."
After they play a game together hitting, sweating, spiting, etc. on each other yes, the hand shake is going to be the problem... Wow :o
-
CURRENT STATUS: GAME ON
Update as of March 11th, 2020 @ 6:30pm
Limit of 2 spectators per player for the Playoff games this weekend. There will be a registration table and wrist bands….
Dates: March 13-15th
Location: Solar for America Ice, 500 S 10th St, San Jose, CA 95112 (https://goo.gl/maps/uz8n6tqYPyd4MZSAA)
If you won’t be at the games you can watch it via LiveBarn (https://www.livebarn.com/). Use the following promo code for a 10% discount: San Jose: solr-8a8c
-
Tier II now cancelled per the CAHA site.
-
Have any of the camps been cancelled yet, CAHA Selects, NAHL Combine in Anaheim, CCM or Worlds?
-
Remaining CAHA State Events Status Mar 13, 2020 9:59 PM March 13, 2020
To: All CAHA Members
Re: Remaining 2019-2020 CAHA State Events Cancellation
Dear Participant Members,
Effective immediately by unanimous vote, CAHA has cancelled all remaining CAHA Post Season events. This includes CAHA Select Camp scheduled for March 20-22, 2020, in Lakewood, and Youth A/BB/B and High School 1B/2B State Championships scheduled for March 27-29, 2020 in San Jose.
This decision was made after careful deliberation and in the primary interest of protecting the health and safety of our member clubs, spectators, and most importantly, our athletes.
While we understand this decision is disappointing, we strongly believe that the opportunity to compete in these events does not outweigh our obligation to place the health and safety of our membership above all else. The impact of COVID-19 has created many unexpected challenges as our season draws to an end, and we want to thank everyone involved for their flexibility, patience, and commitment in providing our athletes a great experience despite this unique situation.
Lastly, we want to recognize the hard work and commitment our athletes/teams have made to reach their respective League Playoffs/Championships that would have qualified them to advance to CAHA State Championships, and salute them for the accomplishment.
Sincerely,
Thomas Hancock
President
-
The message that went to Select participants was updated, per the below. If USAHockey decides to still have a regional camp, CAHA is reserving the right to simply pick the participants from the CAHA Select pool. Of course I very much doubt that will happen.
"Dear CAHA Select Camp Participants,[/size]As you must be aware, yesterday CAHA announced the cancellation of all remaining postseason events. What this means with respect to our Select Camp, is although at this time the actual on ice evaluation is canceled, the Select Camp process itself is not as of yet terminated.CAHA is waiting until March 31st, at which time the Pacific District will make a decision as to the status of the upcoming Pacific District and Multi-District Select Camps (see Pacific District notice here). After the Pacific District makes a decision on the aforementioned date, CAHA will then proceed as follows with respect to our Select Camp process; ? Pacific District decides to cancel all upcoming District / Multi-District Camps o CAHA will immediately process refunds to all Select Camp registrantsor ? Pacific District decides to proceed with all upcoming District / Multi-District Camps as scheduled: Option1:o CAHA will select players for advancement on the basis of player resume/statistics/prior camps performances/results Option 2:o CAHA will immediately process refunds to any Select Camp registrant not interested in the opportunity of advancing to their respective Pacific District / Multi-District Select Camp through this procedureCAHA will not process any request for a refund until after March 31 as noted above."[/color]
-
More people have died from the flu this year by a long shot. Hey chicken little, is the sky falling? What ever happened to common sense? Wash your hands, all the time, stay home if you don't feel well, stay hydrated, take vitamin C.
Why has everyone gone off the deep end like this is the plague of death? This fear mongering is ridiculous! It's idiocy! We are crashing our lively-hoods over something like the flu.
I have been in real situations of life and death and brother this isn't it. If you've experienced the flu, then pumpkin, you're going to be just fine with or without this virus.
-
There's always a few internet tough guys who know more than scientists and experts. The Calhockey website is not immune to their ilk.
Can you do simple math? This spreads very easily and extremely rapidly. The health care infrastructure in this country is not prepared for such a spread. While ignoring death tolls about which clearly most ignorant numb-sculls refuse to care, simply serving the infected would become mathematically impossible in less than two weeks if we allow it to continue to spread. This pandemic is about keeping everyone safe. Yes, do your part, but don't spread garbage commentary that lacks any empathy whatsoever.
There are about 900,000+ hospital beds total in America (barely 1, million if you include ICU beds) and the world total is already close to 200,000 confirmed cases. It spread that fast in less than TWO weeks. Sure, we are just under 10,000 here in the U.S., but 6th grade math lessons on exponents teaches us that 10,000 can turn into 1,000,000 in a few short weeks WITHOUT MEASURES TO PREVENT IT being implemented. There is not enough time and AVAILABLE SPACE to see and treat that amount infected in such a short period of time. It is impossible. Never mind all the other injuries and illnesses that need served and require hospital beds.
You can't evoke "common sense" if you completely lack emotional intelligence.
-
More people have died from the flu this year by a long shot. Hey chicken little, is the sky falling? What ever happened to common sense? Wash your hands, all the time, stay home if you don't feel well, stay hydrated, take vitamin C.
Why has everyone gone off the deep end like this is the plague of death? This fear mongering is ridiculous! It's idiocy! We are crashing our lively-hoods over something like the flu.
I have been in real situations of life and death and brother this isn't it. If you've experienced the flu, then pumpkin, you're going to be just fine with or without this virus.
Between 70 million and 150 million Americans will be infected. (Don't believe me. Google is your friend. Known cases are a small fraction of real cases because we aren't testing, and real cases double every two days. We have weeks, not months, to reach that level of infection unless we act to stop it now.)
About 20% of those infected will need to be hospitalized, and about 5% put in ICU. That means 14 million to 30 million in hospital and 3.5 million to 7 million in ICU.
The USA has about 900,000 hospital beds total, and maybe 65,000 ICU beds. That math doesn't work.
Death rates range from 0.6% to 5% depending on a number of factors, including whether hospital facilities have been overrun.
That's somewhere 420,000 to 7.5 million dead Americans, unless we stop the spread now.
Italy has started warehousing its dead. Their crematoriums are working 24/7 and can't keep up.
Kids' hockey can wait a couple of months.
-
A great deal of conjecture and insults being thrown around here. Internet tough guy? Ilk? I hope for your sakes you don't have a habit of greeting perfect strangers in such a way as you have here. Go ahead, be afraid then. Just don't do it around me. Look at the Logarithmic values in the following link. You will see a pattern. You will see that # of cases flatten out at about 3 weeks. And I still think the way people have panicked in this situation is completely uncalled for.[/size]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
-
ACTIVE CASES
5,552
Currently Infected Patients
[/color]5,540[/size] (100%)
in Mild Condition
[/color]12[/size] (0%)
Serious or Critical
[/color][/color][/size][/size]Feb 15[/size]Feb 18[/size]Feb 21[/size]Feb 24[/size]Feb 27[/size]Mar 01[/size]Mar 04[/size]Mar 07[/size]Mar 10[/size]Mar 13[/size]Mar 16[/size]0[/size]2.5k[/size]5k[/font]
[/size]CLOSED CASES[/size]
171
Cases which had an outcome:
[/color]74[/size] (43%)
Recovered / Discharged
97 (57%)
Deaths
-
A great deal of conjecture and insults being thrown around here. Internet tough guy? Ilk? I hope for your sakes you don't have a habit of greeting perfect strangers in such a way as you have here. Go ahead, be afraid then. Just don't do it around me. Look at the Logarithmic values in the following link. You will see a pattern. You will see that # of cases flatten out at about 3 weeks. And I still think the way people have panicked in this situation is completely uncalled for.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Looking at those numbers the result you mention is due entirely to the extraordinary lockdown measures now being implemented in China, but thanks for playing.
-
A great deal of conjecture and insults being thrown around here. Internet tough guy? Ilk? I hope for your sakes you don't have a habit of greeting perfect strangers in such a way as you have here. Go ahead, be afraid then. Just don't do it around me. Look at the Logarithmic values in the following link. You will see a pattern. You will see that # of cases flatten out at about 3 weeks. And I still think the way people have panicked in this situation is completely uncalled for.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
I hope you're right... but if we didn't take drastic measures, 3 weeks can bring an entire country to it's knees.
Italy -
Feb. 25th: 322 confirmed cases, 11 deaths
Mar. 17th: 31,000 confirmed cases, 2500+ deaths
-
I greet people based on their actions and in this case, words. Those words reflect one's character which makes no stranger. Your dangerous commentary is clearly refuted here and I will continue to accost people who similarly use the same condescending "chicken little" insensitivity with disdain. Oh, and it's nothing personal, I guess. Just using facts to justify concern and a healthy message.
-
A great deal of conjecture and insults being thrown around here. Internet tough guy? Ilk? I hope for your sakes you don't have a habit of greeting perfect strangers in such a way as you have here. Go ahead, be afraid then. Just don't do it around me. Look at the Logarithmic values in the following link. You will see a pattern. You will see that # of cases flatten out at about 3 weeks. And I still think the way people have panicked in this situation is completely uncalled for.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Here is some data for Fowlmood:
"An alarming new poll from NPR, PBS NewsHour and Marist shows that the number of Republicans who believe the virus is a real threat has actually (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/17/816680033/poll-americans-dont-trust-what-they-re-hearing-from-trump-on-coronavirus) fallen over the past month, from 72 percent in February to just 40 percent now. A majority of Republicans now say the threat has been blown out of proportion — more than double the 23 percent who said so last month." Washington Post article March 18.
Let us guess where Fowlmood gets his "science" and information?
-
That's hilarious sophist. Look where you get your information and you have the gall to make your presumptions about where I get mine??? I enjoy how you make this political, immediately. Do you look at everyone through those lenses?? Do you compartmentalize all those you meet. Really sad if you do. I know that I can still love someone who listens to NPR or Fox News. To fulfill your science requirement, I cited my source in case you missed this, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
If you took offense to chicken little, just know it was used in general terms. I still think this doesn't warrant all the chaos and fear that is on display. Look at the reactions I am getting just from making my opinion known on this board.
Strawman and everyone else for that matter, look at the South Korea example. #4 most when this broke, nowhere near that now without lockdown.
[/size]https://www.aier.org/article/south-korea-preseved-open-infection-rates-are-falling/?fbclid=IwAR0N7Ut37DQrRJK66r-0r8cYBfMeW1UUxGu41IJVA8FsgTm_7MwSzsigeoo (https://www.aier.org/article/south-korea-preseved-open-infection-rates-are-falling/?fbclid=IwAR0N7Ut37DQrRJK66r-0r8cYBfMeW1UUxGu41IJVA8FsgTm_7MwSzsigeoo)
Common sense is staying home if you're sick, taking vitamin c, staying hydrated, getting plenty of rest. Not running around trying to beat the crap out of someone who took the last role of toilet paper.
-
Yes, South Korea was successful.
South Korea was testing 100k people a DAY. The entire population was wearing masks. They were hunting down all connections and isolating them.
They were also tracking everyone with mobile apps.
There are two strategies that work in the short term. Aggressive tracking and isolation of contacts, or aggressive social distancing. Most of this country is doing neither. Doing nothing until it is too late is the strategy that Italy took.
Which of those measures would work here? Which are under way? Which society do we more resemble, South Korea or Northern Italy?
This problem escalates in days, not weeks.
-
That's hilarious sophist. Look where you get your information and you have the gall to make your presumptions about where I get mine??? I enjoy how you make this political, immediately. Do you look at everyone through those lenses?? Do you compartmentalize all those you meet. Really sad if you do. I know that I can still love someone who listens to NPR or Fox News. To fulfill your science requirement, I cited my source in case you missed this, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
If you took offense to chicken little, just know it was used in general terms. I still think this doesn't warrant all the chaos and fear that is on display. Look at the reactions I am getting just from making my opinion known on this board.
Strawman and everyone else for that matter, look at the South Korea example. #4 most when this broke, nowhere near that now without lockdown.
https://www.aier.org/article/south-korea-preseved-open-infection-rates-are-falling/?fbclid=IwAR0N7Ut37DQrRJK66r-0r8cYBfMeW1UUxGu41IJVA8FsgTm_7MwSzsigeoo (https://www.aier.org/article/south-korea-preseved-open-infection-rates-are-falling/?fbclid=IwAR0N7Ut37DQrRJK66r-0r8cYBfMeW1UUxGu41IJVA8FsgTm_7MwSzsigeoo)
Nice job of selective perception, Fowlmood! Also wonderful response by notTHATdad.
Common sense is staying home if you're sick, taking vitamin c, staying hydrated, getting plenty of rest. Not running around trying to beat the crap out of someone who took the last role of toilet paper.
-
Sophist, I think you actually think you're contributing to this discussion. You're not. You are no different than the hordes of shortsighted reporters and politicians trying to use this global pandemic to bring our President down. If he fails, we fail. It really is that simple. We are in this together. Getting millions of people on board with drastic measures to combat CV-19 effectively is extremely difficult. Impossible, really, with people like you playing politics. With all due respect, please be more constructive.
-
That's hilarious sophist. Look where you get your information and you have the gall to make your presumptions about where I get mine??? I enjoy how you make this political, immediately. Do you look at everyone through those lenses?? Do you compartmentalize all those you meet. Really sad if you do. I know that I can still love someone who listens to NPR or Fox News. To fulfill your science requirement, I cited my source in case you missed this, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
If you took offense to chicken little, just know it was used in general terms. I still think this doesn't warrant all the chaos and fear that is on display. Look at the reactions I am getting just from making my opinion known on this board.
Strawman and everyone else for that matter, look at the South Korea example. #4 most when this broke, nowhere near that now without lockdown.
https://www.aier.org/article/south-korea-preseved-open-infection-rates-are-falling/?fbclid=IwAR0N7Ut37DQrRJK66r-0r8cYBfMeW1UUxGu41IJVA8FsgTm_7MwSzsigeoo (https://www.aier.org/article/south-korea-preseved-open-infection-rates-are-falling/?fbclid=IwAR0N7Ut37DQrRJK66r-0r8cYBfMeW1UUxGu41IJVA8FsgTm_7MwSzsigeoo)
Nice job of selective perception, Fowlmood! Also wonderful response by notTHATdad.
Common sense is staying home if you're sick, taking vitamin c, staying hydrated, getting plenty of rest. Not running around trying to beat the crap out of someone who took the last role of toilet paper.
Sophist, please try to keep up. Turn off Faux News, do your own research.
-
South Korea has had the best numbers but when you look at our numbers so far we are not that far behind them. According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ South Koreas percentage of cases to deaths is 1.086% as of 5:12pm on March 20th. They have 169 cases per very million of their population
The US is at a 1.320% and we have 59 cases per million. Granted we have just started our testing so I'm sure the cases per million will sharply increase but if we can keep that death % low that would be ideal. 1.32% isn't the lowest its been since I've been tracking but its lower than when I started. We were originally at like 2.5% early last week. The lowest I've logged is 1.256% and that was earlier today. Let's all hope that number continues to trend downwards.
-
Everyone should take off their blinders, but it’s easier to insult people than to try to understand them.
People who think that the idiot they are pointing at doesn’t understand anything should be standing in front of a mirror.
-
Fact of the matter is there are way more mild cases than anyone even knows which makes the death rate much less than originally anticipated. China was caught off guard and has one of the worst ICU beds per capita than most everyone. The US is more prepared than most if not all. https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/03/12/the-countries-with-the-most-critical-care-beds-per-capita-infographic/#3cf0c7af7f86 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/03/12/the-countries-with-the-most-critical-care-beds-per-capita-infographic/#3cf0c7af7f86)
Look at Germany’s death rate who has the second best ICU beds after the US. They currently have 33,416 cases (grossly underestimated) and only 159 deaths = .00475 and yes it’s the sick and the old who unfortunately succumb. https://ncov2019.live/ (https://ncov2019.live/)
and https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/03/23/germany-an-outlier-with-very-low-coronavirus-case-fatality-rate-and-minimal-number-of-patients-in-critical-condition/#1cfdcfd23a0e (https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/03/23/germany-an-outlier-with-very-low-coronavirus-case-fatality-rate-and-minimal-number-of-patients-in-critical-condition/#1cfdcfd23a0e)
Funny how there are roughly 450,000 flu related deaths each year (that’s conservative) and we haven’t heard a word about it for all these years. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)33293-2/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)33293-2/fulltext)
Do we all realize that there are over 150,000 deaths every single day in the world? Guess what? There are 380,000 births per day - unsustainable. https://ourworldindata.org/births-and-deaths
(https://ourworldindata.org/births-and-deaths)
When you look at people who’ve gone through this that are relatively healthy, the symptoms are so mild that they don’t even bother to get tested. Look at Tom Hanks, had the Blahs for a few days and completely better now. Look at Rudy Gobert, said he lost his sense of smell 10 days into it and that’s it. There’s thousands if not hundreds of thousands more. The flu is never fun but that’s what it is - with a slightly higher death rate and/or some extra ability to take hold in the sick and old. There’s something that’s driven this world for millions of years and its called “the survival of the fittestâ€. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a compassionate human being and have parents that are in their 80’s. But they’ve lived a healthy life and during this pandemic or dempanic they’re gladly staying at home because they’re high risk. Does that mean everyone else has to? Most people don't want to die or see their loved ones go but it's going to happen and yes it's painful.
If our government is going to force it’s will on the people, why don’t they permanently ban all fast food restaurants, smoking, drinking, etc… There would be much less people in the position of having Diabetes, Heart Disease and the like and they would be able to power through this.
Funny how 1.7 million new cases of a virus called HIV with close to 750,000 deaths last year alone and 34 million still walking around with it and not a peep about it since the 90s. My kids say they were told about it in first year of sex ed 3 years ago but nothing since… https://www.who.int/gho/hiv/epidemic_status/deaths/en/ (https://www.who.int/gho/hiv/epidemic_status/deaths/en/)
Funny how the media became ultra focused on this pandemic after Feb 5th and beat everyone into a panic. What happened on Feb 5th ? Hmmm
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-the-final-day-of-trumps-impeachment-trial-feb-5 (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-the-final-day-of-trumps-impeachment-trial-feb-5)
Here's Feb 6th https://theweek.com/10things/894090/10-things-need-know-today-february-6-2020 (https://theweek.com/10things/894090/10-things-need-know-today-february-6-2020) - Note number 3
Then 10 days later https://theweek.com/10things/896322/10-things-need-know-today-february-16-2020 (https://theweek.com/10things/896322/10-things-need-know-today-february-16-2020)
I'm off to hunt for TP. Or maybe I'll just take a shower after my deuce since I'm locked at home with no money anyway. No TP needed -Problem solved!
-
Agree completely https://reason.com/2020/03/20/if-covid-19-killed-1-4-of-people-with-symptoms-in-wuhan-the-overall-fatality-rate-is-likely-to-be-much-lower-than-people-feared/ (https://reason.com/2020/03/20/if-covid-19-killed-1-4-of-people-with-symptoms-in-wuhan-the-overall-fatality-rate-is-likely-to-be-much-lower-than-people-feared/)
-
I pray that I'm wrong, but Covid 19 will easily kill over 2 million people worldwide and probably millions more over years.
-
Didnt read all the posts...
Anyone post about the post-effects? In children, they have had and beat covid, but the new research says that their immune system goes into overdrive and destroys kidneys, lungs, etc.
YES, kids are dying from this virus. So much is unknown. Just wait for the second wave and flu season in the fall...
COUNT on another cancelled hockey season. Worst part, CAHA is not preparing for a 3 month shutdown in Nov. - Jan 20-21.
-
seriously! that's what you get from the news reports! You should probably lock yourself inside for the next year. Hopefully they tell you posting on online is bad for you and we won't have to read your stupid s#%t anymore.
-
Don’t worry guys Dr. Trump will get us through this.... NOT!!!
-
Don’t worry guys Dr. Trump will get us through this.... NOT!!!
Yeah, I'm really counting on our governor or your mayor to get us through this...NOT!!! Or maybe better yet, Biden will help get us through this SMH. Good thing you didn't drink the Clorox to cure your TDS
-
Maverick “It was just a jokeâ€. I’m sorry your Trump supporter! I don’t like to get political but the con man in the WH is NOT Republican!
-
Maverick “It was just a jokeâ€. I’m sorry your Trump supporter! I don’t like to get political but the con man in the WH is NOT Republican!
The Con man was Obama but you liberal tools can just keep voting to destroy and lock down.
-
The Con man was Obama but you liberal tools can just keep voting to destroy and lock down.
Vote for Trump, and all your wildest dreams come true.
-
Pistonkev/justotherhockeydad. A vote for Trump is proof your NOT true Republican unlike myself. Stick to hockey you idiots! Sorry you two can’t take joke!
-
Sorry you two can’t take joke!
Says the complete moron who lacks complex thinking required to understand sarcasm.
-
Cups does manage to make five basic grammar mistakes in three sentences while calling other people idiots. That deserves a prize.
-
“Land shark†All this jib jab is in text form. I could go English Professor on every response but I prefer to just like to fuel the fire on stupid comments made on this site. You must be Trump supporter as well? If so, your IQ has hit rock bottom. Ha!
-
Wrong on all counts! You really don’t disappoint.
-
All right you guys, that's enough! Don't make me send you to your rooms...
-
CAHA Mama valid point!
-
Cups must be a Bernie or Biden supporter, or even worse, he probably voted for Hillary! what an idiot!!!
-
Area 51, here is a thought to inspire your poetic genius: The most depressing thing about Trump is what he has revealed about so many of our fellow citizens.
If Cups an idiot for having voted for Hillary, what does that make a 3 million majority of your fellow citizens who also voted for her? Let me guess: dupes, dopes, dunces, dimwits? Maybe you can add to the list.
-
and there you have it! It's ok to call someone out for being a Trump supporter or a Republican, but not when it's the other way around. I have lot's of friends that are Democrats, my best friend is a Democrat. We're friends because we like hanging out, not because of our political beliefs. I don't understand how and why anyone can possibly support Biden, Newsom, Pelosi....but that's ok, Libs don't understand why we support Trump. That's ok, If we all had the same political beliefs, we'd be in a lot of trouble! There's a lot more Trump supports than you want to believe, they just don't speak up because their friends and colleagues can't handle it. I find it comical how much the Libs hate Trump. Obama was the worst President ever! but it didn't make me crazy.
People need to chill out and agree to disagree!!! And when Trump wins in 2020, take a deep breath (without your mask on), and go on with your life.
OrangeMan2020!!!
-
Area 51, here is a thought to inspire your poetic genius: The most depressing thing about Trump is what he has revealed about so many of our fellow citizens.
If Cups an idiot for having voted for Hillary, what does that make a 3 million majority of your fellow citizens who also voted for her? Let me guess: dupes, dopes, dunces, dimwits? Maybe you can add to the list.
Hey Sophist... Yes! It does make them idiots! And to be clear they counted 3 plus million more votes for her, but of all her votes how many legal, and living votes were cast for her? And to be clear, I bet most Trump supporters support his policies and not the man himself, unlike libbies who vote based on feelings and free stuff. How a legal citizen of the United States who has a job and a family could be against showing a ID to vote, border security and LEGAL immigration, and un fucking what China is doing to us is beyond me. But sure, go ahead and vote for Biden or Whoever the Dems put up against trump, because you dont like the man himself.
-
Area 51, here is a thought to inspire your poetic genius: The most depressing thing about Trump is what he has revealed about so many of our fellow citizens.
If Cups an idiot for having voted for Hillary, what does that make a 3 million majority of your fellow citizens who also voted for her? Let me guess: dupes, dopes, dunces, dimwits? Maybe you can add to the list.
Hey Sophist... Yes! It does make them idiots! And to be clear they counted 3 plus million more votes for her, but of all her votes how many legal, and living votes were cast for her? And to be clear, I bet most Trump supporters support his policies and not the man himself, unlike libbies who vote based on feelings and free stuff. How a legal citizen of the United States who has a job and a family could be against showing a ID to vote, border security and LEGAL immigration, and un fucking what China is doing to us is beyond me. But sure, go ahead and vote for Biden or Whoever the Dems put up against trump, because you dont like the man himself.
Thank you for the lesson on political behavior, Maverick.
The false dichotomy between the man and his policies was insightful. It is possible that libbies do not like either the man or his policies or that the latter drives the former.
Libbies love those free things like Social Security or maybe sticktimes. As for China how many offshore wars, military interventions, or incursions have they engaged in since 1949 compared to the US?
Do agree that China is and will increasingly challenge us in just about everything where international competition exists. The US has never faced that level of intense competition on so many fronts. In a generation they may even compete with the US in ice hockey. Perhaps the easiest way to think about that competition is to look at the pattern of how competitive American-Chinese are at the academic level such as applications to Harvard University. Or if you have a taste for the history of technology, the Chinese were performing brain surgery in the 11th century and built naval ships that could carry up to 4,000-6,000 troops in the 14th century and explored along the east coast of Africa. The Clown-in-Chief and his rhetoric will do little to prepare us for competing with China now or in the future.
-
This is like Facebook without pictures or identities. Some of you need to step your game up!
-
Look Sophie, I'm a knuckle draggin, gun owning, conservative construction worker who's kids play football and hockey. I'm not versed in world history of the 1300's nor do I care to be. What should matter to you and me is the now and future of this country for our kids. Like I told Blades before, stop using big words and just explain to me how liberal policies of lawlessness, and open borders benefits this country? And yes, most conservatives are all good with assistance programs for those that need it. Just don't make the benefits better for people here illegally, than law abiding citizens. If your here illegally Newsome will give your kids free college, they don't need that hockey scholarship your hoping for.
To get this topic back on the covid lockdown, I think its pretty clear that liberal views on this pandemic and conservative views are way different. Read back to the initial posts and the ridiculous numbers of dead and infected as predicted vs. now and tell us why this lockdown should continue. Me and my kids are already back to hanging out with friends weeks ago.
-
[quote I'm a knuckle draggin, gun owning, conservative construction worker who's kids play football and hockey. I'm not versed in world history of the 1300's nor do I care to be.
And here goes big revelation - and now we know why Americans are more often than not seen abroad as arrogant and ego-centric..
Maybe you do not care that Columbus opened the new world, or why America is even called America, or maybe you do not celebrate the holidays as they relate to events long gone.
Without past there's no future, they say...
-
Area 51. Apparently NOT voting for Trump makes you a liberal. I’m a never Trumper conservative who understands the con man in the WH. I’m sorry you guys don’t! Back to hockey! Sorry I called your boy Dr. Trump.
-
alfirst, curious you say you are not interested in history but then conclude by writing "without a past there's no future." Is there a time limit on the past that is relevant and only a geographic limit?
As for Americans seen as arrogant abroad, is that a reaction to the "knuckle draggers" or those who know a tiny bit of history of other countries? From over 20 years of living abroad in both European and Asian and developed and less developed countries, my observation is that it is the former plus Americans who are grossly over-weight, sort of like the physical model of our President, those who are quick to yell "we're #1," and those who brag about their gun ownership. Most people in other countries, including day laborers, admire modesty, healthy habits, and intelligence. But then maybe I've only be around the wrong kind of people.
-
I think your observations are totally legit.
When did I say I do not care about history - I actually DO care. I am economist by education but I learned quite a bit of history in my time and keep learning...
I was just quoting Maverick point of you - "do not know and do not care"
-
Thank you, Alfirst. My mistake for not scrolling down far enough before responding.
-
>the Chinese were performing brain surgery in the 11th century and built naval ships that could carry up to 4,000-6,000 troops in the 14th century and explored along the east coast of Africa.
[/color] [/size]
[/color]I don't mean to be a grammar police kind of person, but these are factual matters that Hockey Sophist posted and that I am unable to find verification of. Do you mean the process of drilling a hole in the head to relieve headaches that was used in various parts of the world a very long time ago? I mean, so-called "brain surgery" was performed in various ancient cultures, but one wonders how successful it was? I also can't find verification of naval ships that could carry 4-6,000 troops? They built huge naval ships for sure, but 4-6,000 is *really* big. Do you have links? [/size]I’m not saying you’re def not correct, but just that I couldn’t find what you claim.
There were a lot of things ancient cultures were doing in various parts of the world, some of it that seems amazing, and some that doesn't. There are some impressive aspects to ancient Chinese culture, but if you were trying to make the point that they were somehow superior, I dunno...there are quite a few impressive ancient cultures. As for today, the United States has done some very bad stuff, like all countries. Done some great stuff too. It's my country, and it's first in my heart of all the countries. Let's make it better.
[/size][/color]
As for the discussion previously about South Korea and Germany, it's worth noting that Hong Kong is a city/nation of about 7.4 million people. They responded to the virus with population-based measures. When the government banned masks and WHO was saying you don't need a mask, they researched and decided that masks were helpful. So they went against the prevailing expert opinion and began wearing masks 100% across the population. I know -- my brother-in-law was in HK at the time. They crowd-sourced information about when and where masks would be available, and people stood in line patiently for hours to buy them. They set up hand-sanitizing stations. They sent teams to sanitize apartments in poor neighborhoods. They posted maps of hot spots. This was all population-based, not government-based. They did not have residents screeching that it was racist to close their shared border with China. In fact, they agitated to close the border. They closed schools and courts. Guess how many deaths they've had? F. O. U. R. [/size]
-
Sources on the claim about brain surgery and ships came from Joseph Needham's History of Science and Civilization in China parts of which I read over 50 years ago. Needham was a very specialized China scholar based in the UK.
According the Wikipedia, since I no access to his work today, Needham's organizing schema was:
- Vol. I. Introductory Orientations
- Vol. II. History of Scientific Thought
- Vol. III. Mathematics and the Sciences of the Heavens and Earth
- Vol. IV. Physics and Physical Technology
- Vol. V. Chemistry and Chemical Technology
- Vol. VI. Biology and Biological Technology
- Vol. VII. The Social Background
The claim about the size of ships was rediscovered a few years ago in Gavin Menzies, 1421: The Year China Discovered America or his earlier work 1434. I do not remember which. Needham is a more trusted source for several reasons.
My point was directed at those who fear and hate China, it would be wise to grasp the depth of the Chinese talent and ability to compete on many fronts and that this is not just a recent thing.
While peripheral to that issue of competing with China, read something yesterday from AnnaLee Saxenian of UC Berkeley where she claimed based on US Census data that in the year 2000, one-third of all scientists and engineering in Silicon Valley were Asian-Americans, mostly in about equal numbers from India and Taiwan. The US is clearly #1 in high tech entrepreneurship but to some significant extent it is due to (1) immigrants and (2) Chinese and Indians.
-
This page has no officially become Nerd Central. The lockdown has taken the toll on CalHockey to become a discussion on Chinese history from over 1000 years ago! I would really be impressed if they created an indoor ice hockey rink. Seriously get a grip people. You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes by yourself and...you feel shame, you know. And then you get free.
-
Sophist, you're saying that you read this 50 years ago (and I assume you weren't 10 years old when you read it and I assume you aren't a liar or an exaggerator of truth) so you must be in your late 60s or 70s. Point is I'm wondering why you are on these hockey boards unless you had a kid in your mid 50s? Either that or you are just spewing out random $hit as fact as most Libs do. There is this huge thing full of information (some fact and some BS) called the internet and you would think that because you read it 50 years ago, there would be some back up and agreement between scholars and scientist that support your random SPEW. Did you happen to mention that Needham was "criticized for his Marxist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism) background, his understanding of Chinese culture, and his methodology. Dr. of History Roger Hart wrote "A Post-Needham Critique" in an East Asia journal accusing Needham of attributing scientific achievements to Chinese civilization in contrast to evidence by exaggerating claims. Some reviewers chalked this up to "the exaggerations of a lover."
You seem to place lots of admiration on the Chinese way of life yet you fail to provide any commentary on the complete and utter lack of human rights and FREEDOM in China not to mention a severe lack of workers rights and almost slave like labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China)
I think you should move there and you can get away from having the freedom to speak your mind.
After Xi Jinping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping) succeeded General Secretary of the Communist Party of China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Secretary_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China) in 2012, human rights in China have become worse.
-
OneandDone: I read these boards because my son plays ice hockey. But thanks for trying to twist that. I occasionally post for mixed reasons, recently perhaps to see just how adults in the hockey community think. It confirms a suspicion that the hockey community has a strong bias towards authoritarianism and easy stereotyping of "liberals" and other enemies (of the people). It may be stronger in the hockey community than any other U.S. youth sport. That is a puzzle.
I've lived in a former Soviet Republic briefly and an Asian communist country for 2 years. Preferred places to live are Canada, Europe and Down Under. But the most hyper political place in the world, by far, is the U.S. No place is even close. I have no recollection of a political conversation in a 20 year period although there were thousand maybe tens of thousands of interactions with locals. Most interesting challenge in living abroad was Tokyo center and Singapore center on under $350 per month in the late 1980s.
One thing that stands out about foreigners is their modesty compared to people in this country. A Japanese aphorism is "the nail that sticks up must be hammered down" and the New Zealand equivalent is "the tall poppy must be cut down." Within limits, the American love of the nail that sticks up or the Kiwi tall poppy is charming. In the extreme, as in the case of Trump's boasts and lies, not so much.
Thanks for the lead on Joseph Needham. Will look at it.
-
It's not a puzzle, it's called freedom and it's why people choose to live here including millions of immigrants both legal and illegal. If you prefer all of those other places then why are you here? Leave! It's your freedom that allows you to do that.
Your moniker is spot on minus the hockey - Sophist: a person who reasons with clever but fallacious (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy) and deceptive arguments
-
Notice how Sophist doesn't address any of the facts like Ice-o-matic made about Hong Kong or that the reading of a book over 50 years ago must put him/her in the late 60s or early 70s. So did you read the book over 50 years ago or was that a lie? Didn't address any of the human rights issues in China or labor problems. Just brushes right past with a Japanese aphorism and that there was never a political conversation in over 20 years of living here and there and that Americans are horrible and everywhere else is great.
-
Notice how Sophist doesn't address any of the facts like Ice-o-matic made about Hong Kong or that the reading of a book over 50 years ago must put him/her in the late 60s or early 70s. So did you read the book over 50 years ago or was that a lie? Didn't address any of the human rights issues in China or labor problems. Just brushes right past with a Japanese aphorism and that there was never a political conversation in over 20 years of living here and there and that Americans are horrible and everywhere else is great.
Comments about Hong Kong or China? HK still remains somewhat autonomous from China and that is what the mass, largely student, protests are about. Those students would probably been seen as "liberals" relative to regime authority by your way of thinking.
Labor problems are problematic worldwide especially during the earlier phases of a country's economic development. The US does not have a great record historically and, arguably, today. The meat processing workers would be a case in point. Human rights are at risks in many countries not the least of which is China.
China's treatment of minorities and religious minorities is most problematic. Does that make you feel better? Chinese expectations about human rights may be different from those in Europe or North America. Many Chinese have done exceptionally well economically and, like Trump supporters who perceive they are doing well under his rule, have accepted the trade-off of liberties for economic well-being. It is a tenuous deal at least in China.
You ask if reading a book 50 or so years ago was a lie? You project way too much or, at a minimum, have been conditioned by your Great Leader's frequent lies. The reference was in response to a specific challenge for a source. The book is old but it is about history.
Have thought about my no political conversations with locals and probably heard some in Canada, Alberta but not BC or Ontario because Alberta has intense politics around oil and the environment.
The comment projecting that "Americans are horrible and everywhere else is great" was a nice rhetorical trick.
-
This page has no officially become Nerd Central. The lockdown has taken the toll on CalHockey to become a discussion on Chinese history from over 1000 years ago! I would really be impressed if they created an indoor ice hockey rink. Seriously get a grip people. You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes by yourself and...you feel shame, you know. And then you get free.
Seriously. I tried sending them to their rooms but they are too much to handle. God help us and please BRING BACK HOCKEY!!!!!
-
Freedom, human rights... Such big words, slogans. Never fails to amuse me when locals are bringing that up. To exaggerate it a little - it's almost like in other place people live in cages and whenever they break - they run here...
All those big words should be defined though - what is freedom here? Nowadays, say, in the US/Canada one can't openly say anything that even remotely might be considered anti-gay, anti-feminist, not-liking a particular nation (some are still permitted). People get fired left and right for that.
Instead of mother/father - parent 1, parent 2.
Don Cherry who was allowed to talk a lot of trash was fired over some remarks that in other countries (mentioned by you) would probably fly and be considered even patriotic.
Cases from 15-20+ years old are discovered to put producer in jail - for what was considered almost normal at the time (and a lot of victims made great careers out of it back then)
Former President was giving b/jobs at the office - that almost went fine for him. Still respected guy; his wife almost became President.
Tim Thomas did not go to White House - as he was against violating human rights for extra gov.powers on surveillance etc. - he did not play afterwards.
There was a movement against income tax sometime ago - claiming tax is unconstitutional (and it looks like it is) - I think movement was destroyed and some guys ended up in prison
Smaller scale - HOA is sending letter - remove shoes from the porch (not even a "through" street/avenue, and there is a fence covering porch. Would not happen in a lot of other countries.
Slava Voynov makes a mistake - wife later pulls out complaint (pretty common thing in marriages in a lot of cultures) - he is served time in jail, sent out to Russia.
P.Kane accused of raping - slides ok on technicalities. (and yes, a lot of dumber football guys do not slide)
So - not saying that fat producer was an angel (do not get me wrong) or anything like that or that China is a world heaven - but would be interesting to understand when locals throw out those Freedom words - what do they mean exactly? What they think they have here that people do not have in other places? Or it's just immigration numbers that are supposed to prove them right.
In my opinion - primary reasons why people immigrate here are (in no particular order):
1. Safety - yes, it's safer here than in a lot of developing countries - especially south of the border all the way down
2. Social programs (and in most cases it is no problem for a foreigner to show that he has no income) - take them away and see what you will have left
3. Jobs/businesses - this is interesting. Know a lot of cases - absolute amount of the wage looks so great on paper - especially transferred into other currencies and purchasing power in those countries.[size=78%] Then while here - all of a sudden taxes/rents/mortgages/cost of living hits and a lot of them end up living check to check or even in debt - exactly how they would be living in their countries.[/size]
But now one has to prove the move - so brag on social media and to friends - on how much one's getting leaving the rest in shadow. And I am not talking blue collar jobs.
Then you can't jump between the countries all your life - so you settle on something.
Business arguably has less regulations (although labor law and things like - you can't ask potential employee if he/she's married, where they live etc. - you have to play around that) but
cost of labor make small employees work like horses (while in other countries they would afford more employees easier).
4. Education - one can argue that college (definitely not school) education is still better here and then you jump on reasons 1 and 3.
So aside of big political cases - I truly highly doubt that freedom and human rights is why people are coming here. I honestly do not know what human rights my gardener is exercising here that he did not have in his country. He is probably sending some money there - which based on purchasing power of money makes sense.
Freedom etc - - are very subjective terms, easily manipulated by powers. But if you go against the government / social trends - be it China, US, Russia - you'll get the consequences.
In Russian. e.g. you can make jokes on gay on TV and still be TV host. You make bad joke on Putin - you are out. Here is the other way around. People just get adjusted to the rules to live
their lives.
[size=78%] [/size]
[size=78%] [/size]
-
It's not a puzzle, it's called freedom and it's why people choose to live here including millions of immigrants both legal and illegal. If you prefer all of those other places then why are you here? Leave! It's your freedom that allows you to do that.
Your moniker is spot on minus the hockey - Sophist: a person who reasons with clever but fallacious (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy) and deceptive arguments
Good post OneandDone. The name was selected to discount my views on ice hockey and was intended as self-deprecating. I doubt that embracing Trumpian authority is freedom and the puzzle was about how many here would score high on the F-scale.
Clearly relative to most of Latin America, the US is a haven politically and economically. For others, especially those from Asia who often come here for an education, there is a great future that often involves living here but leveraging social and business network back home. All those immigrants help make America great, even those who plant and harvest our food, prepare our meats, clean our homes, trim our gardens, prepare our fast food meals, and provide various craft services.
As for why I am here, that is a good question. We are evaluating alternatives and contingencies. But for a family of four including a student and ice hockey player it is complex. But I do hear echoes of "Love it or Leave It" in your comment? If our conman President loses in November and there are intense complaints from the "gun loving, knuckle dragging" crowd (someone else's phrase), will you say the same to them? No, because only they have authentic love of America. Everything else is fake.
-
How is it projecting to take your actual words “of which I read over 50 years ago†and calculate that you must be in your late 60s or early 70s? It's either that or you lied, otherwise you would have a kid that would have aged out years ago? It’s hilarious that you say “But I do hear echoes of "Love it or Leave It" in your comment?†and I’m the one projecting by using your actual words?
You don’t know a thing about me but you group me in as a knuckle dragging, gun loving, blah blah blah. I don’t own a gun, I’m pro-choice, I believe in legal marijuana, I’m not very religious, I could go on but I’m sure with your superior knowledge and Low F-scale you can understand that there are people that fall closer to the middle. People like Howard Stern who attack people who voted for Trump by calling them idiots are really causing more harm than good (just canceled 4 Siriusxm accounts) as are people like you who can’t even conceive that Trump may be a better choice than the alternative. The biggest problem for me and many of my friends is that after Trump won the election, Democrats acted like crying, kicking and screaming babies and it didn’t happen the other way around when Obama was elected. I consistently watched CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, OAN and it’s easy to see that the media is so biased that it’s sickening. As much as I’d like Trump to stop with many of his tweets/statements, he is our voted President and has been treated like $hit by the media and the partisan BS that he’s had to deal with.
Sadly, the choices going forward with the Democratic nominee leave many in my position without much choice (although a vote for Trump in CA is basically useless). Trump is at least a businessman and not a puppet. Biden today “If you have a problem figuring out if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't blackâ€. WOW, most of the time he can’t even put a sentence together (actually sad). So, I think as some have said before, there are many closet Trump supporters and people like you are just causing more harm than good.
To me, freedom is the ability to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint as well as move freely. If you work hard you can be rewarded. I know plenty of immigrant families (mine and my wifes included), both came here with nothing, lived together in multi-family settings, worked hard and saved hard and now live very nice lifestyles. It’s lazy freeloaders who are the main problem in my eyes and most of those aren’t immigrants but more big city people. The masses are asses and it'd be a start to have mandatory drug testing for Welfare and the unemployed.
I’m dual citizenship US and Canada and I have over 20 relatives sprinkled across Canada and they all talk politics especially that they have to come to the States to get medical care because the wait for treatment is many times months and months in Canada. That being said, if the Dems win the White House in Nov, as a citizen of the USA, I will support the new President which is patriotic and more than I can say for you sadly.
-
This is like Facebook without pictures or identities. Some of you need to step your game up!
Great point. If I want to waste time talking shit to people about my political beliefs and bias or their political belief or bias, I have a gazillion places I can do that. Can we just stick to and get back to a discussion of the California hockey scene here?
-
We would probably be closer to getting back to hockey by now if the response to the situation had come from a sound (hell I would be ok with somewhat solid) federal response based on science. Ya ya...I know what “them folks†think of science. That is a lost cause like some of the consistent combative people on here. Instead, states had to figure it out on their own. Had the entire US shut down even a week sooner and at the same time, it would have made a HUGE (one of Trumps fav words) difference in terms of the numbers of infections and deaths, resulting in a faster and safer re-opening for all. Travel hockey this season is probably not going to happen because of the variance in dates and restrictions across the states and Canada.
-
http://www.wshl.org/news/2020-2021-wshl-season
Don't mean to intercept, but fwiw, I see scaha/caha going this route :/
-
http://www.wshl.org/news/2020-2021-wshl-season (http://www.wshl.org/news/2020-2021-wshl-season)
Don't mean to intercept, but fwiw, I see scaha/caha going this route :/
I don’t think that would be the case. WSHL lost a majority of their teams to the USPHL and the Covid crisis limited their ability to form a league around the remaining members.
-
Hope you guys are right. Sure would stink not to have season.