Agree with Jack. If Covid exposure is the concern, better to pick your teams now and get going on skills practices with the same 20 kids than having the players bouncing from clinic to clinic all over So Cal and being exposed to 60+ kids each week...
"Hospitals are maxed out" - is it the fact? Have not heard or read anything like that in OC. - Come to my ER, pick a day, any day and I'll show you 'maxed out' and you can judge for yourself how true that is.
One party is saying school should reopen as kids are not subject to it (at least not to extent to worry) and masks are still an open debate; - If schools are to be re-opened, masks have to be worn and social distancing of some form must be in place, if not, you can expect schools to be closed, again.
And it's an election year. Would make a bet that covid reaction and debate would be WAY different if it was you 'normal" year. - The ENTIRE GLOBE is adopting these safety measures and I highly doubt anyone outside the US give a crap about our election and the president. Covid doesn't care about politics.
So - yes - limiting traveling around would be great and settling on "what is this season" would be even greater - but I guess CAHA/SCAHA have no idea what tomorrow brings and what data to believe - and the governor does belong to the party that favors "hush-hush" (no politics - just stating the facts).- Yes I would also like to see limited travel or to places reachable by car.
Whatever they decide - they will be criticized. - This.
I would settle on a some kind of a season - and those who are still in fear might just elect not to play (this is simple) and those who are willing to play - will play. And do all the possible measures, of course, - dressing not in locker room, masks for parents (just in case), limited travel etc.etc. - Well said.
go where? michigan and mass rinks are closed, and while chicago rinks are open, they dont know if there is going to be a season. many ne preps have the advantage of their own rinks, but its late to get your kid a spot. canada is the place to go if you're canadian or married to one, and yes, i've heard of several socal kids heading there for the school year.
there isn't going to be a season in cali as long as the pandemic continues to rage. so wash your hands, stay away from groups as much as possible and stop bitching about wearing a damn mask.
The only thing I would say - covid IS global but in Europe sports are being played and schools are to be opened, and for the most part all other business/operations are continued - with some precautions. Some are even allowing limited spectators for pro-sports. So one can't deny that allowing kids to go to school or play sports is not a part of political agenda here in the US.
- Well, the countries showing success in controlling the spread seem to seriously follow all safety measures... They do the social distancing and they wear masks without bitching abut their freedom being violated. People and their government leaders of other countries for the most part seem to be on the same page, unlike the US. I'm sure we could have limited sport, school, biz u name it if we do a better job at keeping ourselves and other safe.
And how many (or% wise) kids you see in those ER?
- Very few that I've seen. I've seen more covid positive infant/toddlers than teens. We have 86 covid patients in the hospital today as compared to 43 covid patients same time last month. Folks in their 60's being hit the hardest, followed by 70's, 50's, 30's, 40's, 80's, 20's, 90's and teens being the least infected (data from internal email sent to hospital staff).
Let's just agree on a presented opportunity for the kids to play hockey without relocating (and changing life of their parents) - as it looks like it's not life/death decision at this point.
- From a pure death rate perspective, maybe it isn't life or death. But the virus does much more than just kill you. It jacks up your lungs, along with the misery of the flu. But this is not 'just the flu.' 2 entire floors right now are full of covid patients. That does not happen with the flu. Not even close. We have more covid patients than we have ICU beds so ER end up holding and system is then severely backed up. That does not happen with the flu. But if none of them die then I guess it doesn't matter because the absolute death rate is still 'low'... All I'm saying is that hospitalization rate is staggering.
Justanotherhockeydad - thank you for remarks, really appreciate that.
The only thing I would say - covid IS global but in Europe sports are being played and schools are to be opened, and for the most part all other business/operations are continued - with some precautions. Some are even allowing limited spectators for pro-sports.
So one can't deny that allowing kids to go to school or play sports is not a part of political agenda here in the US.
And how many (or% wise) kids you see in those ER?
Let's just agree on a presented opportunity for the kids to play hockey without relocating (and changing life of their parents) - as it looks like it's not life/death decision at this point. For the sake of those who do not want to risk it - why others can't?
The only thing I would say - covid IS global but in Europe sports are being played and schools are to be opened, and for the most part all other business/operations are continued - with some precautions. Some are even allowing limited spectators for pro-sports. So one can't deny that allowing kids to go to school or play sports is not a part of political agenda here in the US.
- Well, the countries showing success in controlling the spread seem to seriously follow all safety measures... They do the social distancing and they wear masks without bitching abut their freedom being violated. People and their government leaders of other countries for the most part seem to be on the same page, unlike the US. I'm sure we could have limited sport, school, biz u name it if we do a better job at keeping ourselves and other safe.
And how many (or% wise) kids you see in those ER?
- Very few that I've seen. I've seen more covid positive infant/toddlers than teens. We have 86 covid patients in the hospital today as compared to 43 covid patients same time last month. Folks in their 60's being hit the hardest, followed by 70's, 50's, 30's, 40's, 80's, 20's, 90's and teens being the least infected (data from internal email sent to hospital staff).
Let's just agree on a presented opportunity for the kids to play hockey without relocating (and changing life of their parents) - as it looks like it's not life/death decision at this point.
- From a pure death rate perspective, maybe it isn't life or death. But the virus does much more than just kill you. It jacks up your lungs, along with the misery of the flu. But this is not 'just the flu.' 2 entire floors right now are full of covid patients. That does not happen with the flu. Not even close. We have more covid patients than we have ICU beds so ER end up holding and system is then severely backed up. That does not happen with the flu. But if none of them die then I guess it doesn't matter because the absolute death rate is still 'low'... All I'm saying is that hospitalization rate is staggering.
One other thing... um... is CAHA really serious about having AAA and AA tryouts on the same date? That can't be their real plan, right?
I mean... that's asking for a major clusterfuck.
Easiest thing to do is to declare all practices and games as protests and get instant approval and support from the governor and health boards. Might get suspicious with no looting or assaults though.
Easiest thing to do is to declare all practices and games as protests and get instant approval and support from the governor and health boards. Might get suspicious with no looting or assaults though.
JackBender - that's exactly my point - let's play some hockey - for those who are willing to do it.
Those stick times/lessons/wanna-be-practices/camps are pretty full - people/kids are longing to have some sort of a season - and I think most of them understand
that some restrictions will be imposed and that would not be your normal season; some are reluctant to do much travel (especially by air)
but still to stall everything for the sake of those who would play only if... what - vaccinated? - does not seem right at all.
I can't relocate just because of hockey or just out of the blue - it's just crazy - there should be some sort of resolution locally...
And on the other point - about coaches knowing 90% of the team - when core stays - yes, when coach stays - yes. But there's some movement in both coaching and
players camps - so some teams might not be formed even 50%+ - again, if there is no season all that does not matter - but if there is it's better be some resolution around the corner.
I would simply say,
Worst thing is uncertainty - let's create return to play plan - CAHA/SCAHA - common!!!
The problem with this change in course, is that SCAHA voters took it upon themselves to step outside of their area of expertise and meddle in matters that are entirely outside of their charter. The fact that some rinks are closed and there is uncertainty around their reopening is not SCAHA's problem, but they've used this as an excuse to further delay the organization of teams for the upcoming season, when that is not their job.
I don't think that it is likely that municipally owned rinks will open anytime soon, or open at all this year, considering the priorities of local city governments. Did this even cross their minds when they decided to scuttle the already late-to-the-game team tryout schedule in the name of "fairness"? What certainty will exist in October, that doesn't exist now? And while we are at it, when was SCAHA ever concerned with leveling the playing field beyond the protectionism of PDR? Sounds like bullshit rationalization to me.
As is the case every season, most veteran coaches have already identified at least 90% of their roster. Sure there's a little bit of suspense as to whether a few kids might upgrade or downgrade a letter, or switch clubs, but these clubs would all benefit from signing rosters, which then allows free agents to find a landing spot they didn't expect, or move on to other clubs, and so on down the line.
The August dates were never great, given the proximity to what for many kids will now be the start of "virtual school" but to take away any chance for team boot camps and practices in August, and the traditional pre-season practices, scrimmages and tournaments, is about as tone deaf a response to what most people are looking for as I can recall, and that's saying something.
With so much uncertainty around travel outside the state, the least they could have done is provided a platform for teams to figure out what the new normal will look like this season, when realistically, there's not much else for people to do other than hunker down in their homes. It as if the SCAHA board are more interested in finding ways to scuttle SoCal hockey this season than they are in supporting the clubs and rinks as they figure out how to make things work.
The problem with this change in course, is that SCAHA voters took it upon themselves to step outside of their area of expertise and meddle in matters that are entirely outside of their charter. The fact that some rinks are closed and there is uncertainty around their reopening is not SCAHA's problem, but they've used this as an excuse to further delay the organization of teams for the upcoming season, when that is not their job.
I don't think that it is likely that municipally owned rinks will open anytime soon, or open at all this year, considering the priorities of local city governments. Did this even cross their minds when they decided to scuttle the already late-to-the-game team tryout schedule in the name of "fairness"? What certainty will exist in October, that doesn't exist now? And while we are at it, when was SCAHA ever concerned with leveling the playing field beyond the protectionism of PDR? Sounds like bullshit rationalization to me.
As is the case every season, most veteran coaches have already identified at least 90% of their roster. Sure there's a little bit of suspense as to whether a few kids might upgrade or downgrade a letter, or switch clubs, but these clubs would all benefit from signing rosters, which then allows free agents to find a landing spot they didn't expect, or move on to other clubs, and so on down the line.
The August dates were never great, given the proximity to what for many kids will now be the start of "virtual school" but to take away any chance for team boot camps and practices in August, and the traditional pre-season practices, scrimmages and tournaments, is about as tone deaf a response to what most people are looking for as I can recall, and that's saying something.
With so much uncertainty around travel outside the state, the least they could have done is provided a platform for teams to figure out what the new normal will look like this season, when realistically, there's not much else for people to do other than hunker down in their homes. It as if the SCAHA board are more interested in finding ways to scuttle SoCal hockey this season than they are in supporting the clubs and rinks as they figure out how to make things work.
I like that idea, lets activity figure out how to subvert CA heath policy.
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Some thoughts...
- Forces a kid to pick a team to practice with. Stops team-shopping. Provides stability.
- Allows teams to have 'kids camps' with a set attendee list maybe?
- Allows AAA teams that are planning Tier 1 Elite participation to form rosters (T1EHL tournaments start October)
There is no money function here because according to the rules you CANNOT charge until after tryouts occur.
Ironic that CAHA would be encouraging AAA kids to travel out of state to play while apparently curtailing in-state travel for games. Rising to dizzying heights of illogic.
Some thoughts...
- Forces a kid to pick a team to practice with. Stops team-shopping. Provides stability.
- Allows teams to have 'kids camps' with a set attendee list maybe?
- Allows AAA teams that are planning Tier 1 Elite participation to form rosters (T1EHL tournaments start October)
There is no money function here because according to the rules you CANNOT charge until after tryouts occur.
Ironic that CAHA would be encouraging AAA kids to travel out of state to play while apparently curtailing in-state travel for games. Rising to dizzying heights of illogic.
Some thoughts...
- Forces a kid to pick a team to practice with. Stops team-shopping. Provides stability.
- Allows teams to have 'kids camps' with a set attendee list maybe?
- Allows AAA teams that are planning Tier 1 Elite participation to form rosters (T1EHL tournaments start October)
There is no money function here because according to the rules you CANNOT charge until after tryouts occur.
Ironic that CAHA would be encouraging AAA kids to travel out of state to play while apparently curtailing in-state travel for games. Rising to dizzying heights of illogic.
That's an odd way of looking at it. CAHA has no impact on T1EHL. All they can do is control what they control, and react to state conditions. The fact that some teams happen to play in another national league that plays out of state is not their problem, is it?
I get that they might be conservative, but I don't see how they are 'encouraging' kids to travel out of state.
Here is a CAHA snippet
Member League Clubs are not permitted to form independent teams that solely participate outside of CAHA sanctioned league play.
WHL looks like happening in Canada only this year - and there are travel restrictions for US - so not sure this is the year...
"WHL combine, the USHL combine"
Would HIGHLY recommend the WHL combine. USHL Combine, not so far. Save your $.
So does the CAHA statement on pushing tryouts mean that AAA teams can form prior to the official tryouts for the purpose of going to out of state tournaments?
So does the CAHA statement on pushing tryouts mean that AAA teams can form prior to the official tryouts for the purpose of going to out of state tournaments?
The AAA teams play more than just T1EHL tournaments, T1EHL is only part of their schedule. Most of the western AAA teams (including California teams) had planned on going to the following tournaments in September:
Omaha USHL
USHL Fall Classic -- Pittsburgh
Allowing AAA teams to roster players tomorrow (unlike AA), and specifically referencing that AAA teams play most of their games out of state, only makes sense if it's for the purpose of practicing in August and playing out of state tournaments prior to October 1 tryouts.
Does anyone have a different take on this? The CAHA announcement is not a model of clarity (I know, shocker). What are the AAA teams telling you the CAHA announcement means and are any starting practicing and going to out of state tournaments in September?
But, say, AA teams can still play out of town tournaments,
Just not using official club names - as they normally do before tryouts.
Anything prevent them to do that?
If like somebody days there is no season in 2020 that
might be the only option to have competitive games
So does the CAHA statement on pushing tryouts mean that AAA teams can form prior to the official tryouts for the purpose of going to out of state tournaments?
Nope! CAHA will not be approving out of state tournaments! This will be so you no longer have the flexibility to skate here or there. Now you can be locked into paying off-season dues and getting that structure we're all missing. Nothing more. We'll all be training until at least January.
These signings are nothing more than a carrot on the end of a stick and we're all the donkeys aimlessly walking and trying to bite onto something we'll never get to eat this year.
On the brightside, the 21'-22' season will be here before you know it. Sorry for the pessimistic, depressing, sad, yet very truthful reality of this upcoming season. Save your money, train with the coach of your choosing and find a group of old hockey friends and scrimmage somewhere that'll allow you until there is some real clarity.
The AAA teams play more than just T1EHL tournaments, T1EHL is only part of their schedule. Most of the western AAA teams (including California teams) had planned on going to the following tournaments in September:
Omaha USHL
USHL Fall Classic -- Pittsburgh
Allowing AAA teams to roster players tomorrow (unlike AA), and specifically referencing that AAA teams play most of their games out of state, only makes sense if it's for the purpose of practicing in August and playing out of state tournaments prior to October 1 tryouts.
Does anyone have a different take on this? The CAHA announcement is not a model of clarity (I know, shocker). What are the AAA teams telling you the CAHA announcement means and are any starting practicing and going to out of state tournaments in September?
But, say, AA teams can still play out of town tournaments,
Just not using official club names - as they normally do before tryouts.
Anything prevent them to do that?
If like somebody days there is no season in 2020 that
might be the only option to have competitive games
https://www.andover.edu/2020plan (https://www.andover.edu/2020plan)
They aren’t planning on fully opening to start year. The ISL and the 8 school association which Philips is in has cancelled Fall sports.
There is no guarantee it’s any better there. Rinks open as much as they are.
We rolled back and so could they.
Thank you anonymous Internet person on random message board but...
You're trying to predict the future, and the current facts suggest otherwise: AAA teams are forming this weekend or the next around the entire country (if they haven't formed already) to start practicing as teams, the Prep Cup in New Hampshire is happening this weekend, as is the USHL Combine in Green Bay, Wisconsin... and CAHA's official release specifically allows teams to form for the purpose to attend out-of-state tournaments.
So, yes, this could be a giant conspiracy by USA Hockey and CAHA and every other sanctioned state hockey body to lock up their players now... so they can shut everything down in September, but the truth likely lies somewhere in-between. This season will certainly be odd and frustrating and different... but things will happen. Teams will find a way. And the rinks, coaches, clubs and USA Hockey will get their money.
To quote Fist's favorite movie ever, Jurassic Park: "Life will find a way." Or in this case... hockey.
Thank you anonymous Internet person on random message board but...
You're trying to predict the future, and the current facts suggest otherwise: AAA teams are forming this weekend or the next around the entire country (if they haven't formed already) to start practicing as teams, the Prep Cup in New Hampshire is happening this weekend, as is the USHL Combine in Green Bay, Wisconsin... and CAHA's official release specifically allows teams to form for the purpose to attend out-of-state tournaments.
So, yes, this could be a giant conspiracy by USA Hockey and CAHA and every other sanctioned state hockey body to lock up their players now... so they can shut everything down in September, but the truth likely lies somewhere in-between. This season will certainly be odd and frustrating and different... but things will happen. Teams will find a way. And the rinks, coaches, clubs and USA Hockey will get their money.
To quote Fist's favorite movie ever, Jurassic Park: "Life will find a way." Or in this case... hockey.
Are the kids really locked up? Sounds like they can drop at any time and actually can't sign a commitment or pay money. Also defining "skating with another club" is hazy at best. Most skates are with "coaches" so probably don't fall under that.
Thank you anonymous Internet person on random message board but...
You're trying to predict the future, and the current facts suggest otherwise: AAA teams are forming this weekend or the next around the entire country (if they haven't formed already) to start practicing as teams, the Prep Cup in New Hampshire is happening this weekend, as is the USHL Combine in Green Bay, Wisconsin... and CAHA's official release specifically allows teams to form for the purpose to attend out-of-state tournaments.
So, yes, this could be a giant conspiracy by USA Hockey and CAHA and every other sanctioned state hockey body to lock up their players now... so they can shut everything down in September, but the truth likely lies somewhere in-between. This season will certainly be odd and frustrating and different... but things will happen. Teams will find a way. And the rinks, coaches, clubs and USA Hockey will get their money.
To quote Fist's favorite movie ever, Jurassic Park: "Life will find a way." Or in this case... hockey.
Are the kids really locked up? Sounds like they can drop at any time and actually can't sign a commitment or pay money. Also defining "skating with another club" is hazy at best. Most skates are with "coaches" so probably don't fall under that.
You are correct. CAHA’s announcement specifically says players cannot be committed and clubs can’t charge them fees. Jack can fantasize whatever he wants, but folks should talk to coaches to find out what it all actually means.
I still do not get it - how we used to participate in off-season out-of-state tournaments all prior years and can't do it now.
We have not used official club name - something similar - but still played.
And Memorial Day - Carmen Star - was also prior tryouts - and there teams were wearing club uniforms.
Something has changed?
Most rational people would say. Waiting 90 days is not going to kill anyone
Not waiting just may kill a few
Most rational people would say. Waiting 90 days is not going to kill anyone
Not waiting just may kill a few
Oh stop it. 9 million kids 18 years or younger in the state of California and NOT 1 has died of Covid! Influenza is much deadlier for kids and no one thinks twice about stepping into the rink in the heart of flu season. Kids are fine. Let them play. Let them go to school. 2 weeks to slow the curve has been 5 months. But sure, let's tack on 3 more months. It's just their CHILDHOOD! All good, they'll be young forever.
Most rational people would say. Waiting 90 days is not going to kill anyone
Not waiting just may kill a few
Oh stop it. 9 million kids 18 years or younger in the state of California and NOT 1 has died of Covid! Influenza is much deadlier for kids and no one thinks twice about stepping into the rink in the heart of flu season. Kids are fine. Let them play. Let them go to school. 2 weeks to slow the curve has been 5 months. But sure, let's tack on 3 more months. It's just their CHILDHOOD! All good, they'll be young forever.
okay.. this is getting like religion. I am trying to be as clear as possible. Its NOT THE KIDS that will be impacted. KIDS become carriers and spread it to people unknowingly. I am worried about who gets indirectly infected. Its called transmission by a carrier. The Kid is the carrier, the the one who most likely will die. This is exactly what CDC and state is worried about.
okay.. this is getting like religion. I am trying to be as clear as possible. Its NOT THE KIDS that will be impacted. KIDS become carriers and spread it to people unknowingly. I am worried about who gets indirectly infected. Its called transmission by a carrier. The Kid is the carrier, the the one who most likely will die. This is exactly what CDC and state is worried about.
Get out of bed - risk
step in to slippery shower - medium risk
eat quick and processed food - longer term risk
get in the car and drive - high risk
take stairs or elevator - risk
being inside a heavy building in earthquake territory - risk
open mouth at work or communicate in written word - risk
nibble on lunch room community food - risk
use your "clean cup" that sits on your desk - risk
drive again - high risk
do some manual labor at home - risk
drive kid to sports, rink, activity - high risk
pick up fast food on way home - longer term risk
At any point freedom allows us to pick and choose which of these we do or don't do and how each affects ourselves and all those around us. Millions refuse to drive or fly and we don't hear about it. SO PLEASE feel free to exercise your freedom of choice BUT do not attempt to transfer your perceived or real risk on to others. Some things in life are worth "sitting out". Now is your chance to do just that and do it quietly........
As for me and my house, we have weighed the risk of Covid and determined the mental health of us and our own offspring, as it relates to the 2nd and 3rd and 4th order consequences of trying to avoid "risk", is indeed orders of magnitude riskier by staying in the bubble.
okay.. this is getting like religion. I am trying to be as clear as possible. Its NOT THE KIDS that will be impacted. KIDS become carriers and spread it to people unknowingly. I am worried about who gets indirectly infected. Its called transmission by a carrier. The Kid is the carrier, the the one who most likely will die. This is exactly what CDC and state is worried about.
The chance of killing someone in a car accident on the way to the rink is far greater. So here's a solution: let's cancel mankind.
The number of epidemiologists and public health experts on here is truly impressive.
Wear a mask. Wash your hands. Don’t be a jerk. It’s easy stuff, but as long as we have people out doing their own thing, schools and hockey will be shut down for our kids.
Cute. But I was actually simply repeating the rather simple advice from those experts.
You think people are following that mandate? Maybe if everyone did, we’d actually know something, like whether it works or not.
It's obvious that we all have to manage and decide how much risk we're willing to take for for our kids and family. Whether you agree with the rules and decisions made by our governor, lets face it, we are lucky that rinks haven't completely shut down and that hockey is still an option for our kids, at least for now.
Since I work in an ER, my view is definitely biased. I see what covid can do and I see how contagious it is. Again, this is NOTHING like the flu. Nothing. Last week as compared to previous 2-3 weeks did slowed down a bit for hospitalization for us, but not enough to even consider the spread to be plateauing. I hear there are 31000+ positive cases in Florida for person under 17 and 300+ death. How you want to look at the infection rate vs death rate is up to you, but the truth is that scientists are inconclusive regarding how kids spread covid, and how and why kids seem to recover better than their adult counterpart. Literally every research you find says they're not sure how covid affect most kids. Make your decisions accordingly I guess.
However, what bothers me is that it is absolutely obvious that in order to defeat/slow this pandemic, it will take a collective effort from EVERYONE. Forget hockey, what about the economy, schools and our daily lives? If we don't do our part, this will never return to any form of normality. I see pictures of camps with kids crowding in the lobby, crowding on the ice and picture taken with large group of kids on ice, no mask (understandable on ice...) and no distancing. Not to mention, I still see kids not wearing masks in the rink... You know that if you don't follow rink rules, your rink could be shut down right?
Can't people just follow rules and guidelines, for the sake of the kids' safety, even if you don't agree with how your 'freedom' is being trampled?! I mean, we have rules about wearing pants, right? Is your freedom being violated because you can't run around buck naked? We have rules preventing folks from driving 130mph on the freeway, right? Is your freedom being trampled there also?
Again, whether you believe it or not, Covid is real and it doesn't give a flying F what you believe in. You will be infected if you're not careful. You may not die, but you may also spread it to others who may die. Do what you will, but at the very least have the courtesy and respect for others who may not be as healthy as you, wear your mask, tell your kids to wear their masks, and do your best to social distance.
Good luck to you all.
It's obvious that we all have to manage and decide how much risk we're willing to take for for our kids and family. Whether you agree with the rules and decisions made by our governor, lets face it, we are lucky that rinks haven't completely shut down and that hockey is still an option for our kids, at least for now.
Since I work in an ER, my view is definitely biased. I see what covid can do and I see how contagious it is. Again, this is NOTHING like the flu. Nothing. Last week as compared to previous 2-3 weeks did slowed down a bit for hospitalization for us, but not enough to even consider the spread to be plateauing. I hear there are 31000+ positive cases in Florida for person under 17 and 300+ death. How you want to look at the infection rate vs death rate is up to you, but the truth is that scientists are inconclusive regarding how kids spread covid, and how and why kids seem to recover better than their adult counterpart. Literally every research you find says they're not sure how covid affect most kids. Make your decisions accordingly I guess.
However, what bothers me is that it is absolutely obvious that in order to defeat/slow this pandemic, it will take a collective effort from EVERYONE. Forget hockey, what about the economy, schools and our daily lives? If we don't do our part, this will never return to any form of normality. I see pictures of camps with kids crowding in the lobby, crowding on the ice and picture taken with large group of kids on ice, no mask (understandable on ice...) and no distancing. Not to mention, I still see kids not wearing masks in the rink... You know that if you don't follow rink rules, your rink could be shut down right?
Can't people just follow rules and guidelines, for the sake of the kids' safety, even if you don't agree with how your 'freedom' is being trampled?! I mean, we have rules about wearing pants, right? Is your freedom being violated because you can't run around buck naked? We have rules preventing folks from driving 130mph on the freeway, right? Is your freedom being trampled there also?
Again, whether you believe it or not, Covid is real and it doesn't give a flying F what you believe in. You will be infected if you're not careful. You may not die, but you may also spread it to others who may die. Do what you will, but at the very least have the courtesy and respect for others who may not be as healthy as you, wear your mask, tell your kids to wear their masks, and do your best to social distance.
Good luck to you all.
This is Trumpism in reverse. "I hear there are 31000+ positive cases in Florida for person under 17 and 300+ death."
In fact, this over-states the under-17 mortality in the entire United States by many times. As of a few days ago, there had been 25 COVID deaths in the 1-15 age cohort in the entire country since February (compared with 90 in the same age group who died from seasonal flu during the same period, i.e., during flu "off season"). During that period there were exactly 2 deaths in Florida between the ages of 0-15 and 0 in California under the age of 20. The infection fatality ratio for those under 20 is about 0.0002% (more than an order of magnitude less than the flu, and several times less than their annual risk of dying from lightning strikes).
If adults choose to shut the world down because they are afraid for themselves, so be it, but let's not pretend we're doing it for the kids.
I take it you have not been personally impacted by COVID..
Soooo, basically what I glean from this thread is that it sounds like no hockey this season...at least for us non-tier folks
Soooo, basically what I glean from this thread is that it sounds like no hockey this season...at least for us non-tier folks
Well, for now it's literally month to month push outs based on case counts and state mandates. Nothing is solid or will be, even the in person schooling. Unfortunately unmasked contact sports will continue to be a last priority. I would hold onto your money. Getting any back is a huge drill.
Thank you for setting me straight. You are right. I am fearful of dying. I am in the high risk group. When ever I get any sort of respitory illness. I end up at the hospital with difficulty breathing. It’s been this way since I was s kid. I grew out of it in my twenties. But now that those years have passed. It’s pretty much back. I personally would like to skip it entirely and more importantly. If I do end up getting it. Not having to wait for icu or hospital bed would be a good thing. Even if eveyine gets it. It would be great if not all people got it at once.
| county | todays date | hospitalized covid confirmed patients | hospitalized suspected covid patients | hospitalized covid patients | all hospital beds | icu covid confirmed patients | icu suspected covid patients | icu available beds |
| Los Angeles | 7/24/2020 | 2033 | 595 | 2628 | 17054 | 622 | 81 | 846 |
| Los Angeles | 7/25/2020 | 2017 | 535 | 2552 | 18946 | 582 | 89 | 930 |
| Los Angeles | 7/26/2020 | 2051 | 570 | 2621 | 19906 | 596 | 81 | 912 |
| Los Angeles | 7/27/2020 | 2045 | 554 | 2599 | 18716 | 576 | 93 | 901 |
| Orange | 7/24/2020 | 685 | 91 | 776 | 5584 | 203 | 17 | 383 |
| Orange | 7/25/2020 | 687 | 67 | 754 | 6095 | 201 | 9 | 387 |
| Orange | 7/26/2020 | 661 | 46 | 707 | 6078 | 204 | 9 | 377 |
| Orange | 7/27/2020 | 640 | 45 | 685 | 6182 | 203 | 9 | 383 |
| Riverside | 7/24/2020 | 489 | 109 | 598 | 3378 | 165 | 22 | 59 |
| Riverside | 7/25/2020 | 483 | 127 | 610 | 3469 | 154 | 22 | 77 |
| Riverside | 7/26/2020 | 488 | 142 | 630 | 3413 | 146 | 21 | 87 |
| Riverside | 7/27/2020 | 487 | 122 | 609 | 3463 | 143 | 24 | 93 |
| San Bernardino | 7/24/2020 | 607 | 108 | 715 | 3889 | 177 | 15 | 159 |
| San Bernardino | 7/25/2020 | 638 | 100 | 738 | 4509 | 195 | 10 | 131 |
| San Bernardino | 7/26/2020 | 609 | 104 | 713 | 4522 | 195 | 8 | 136 |
| San Bernardino | 7/27/2020 | 595 | 93 | 688 | 4516 | 179 | 14 | 210 |
okay.. this is getting like religion. I am trying to be as clear as possible. Its NOT THE KIDS that will be impacted. KIDS become carriers and spread it to people unknowingly. I am worried about who gets indirectly infected. Its called transmission by a carrier. The Kid is the carrier, the the one who most likely will die. This is exactly what CDC and state is worried about.you need to get updated facts, studies find that kids do not transmit the virus. Infected kids are not passing the virus on to other family members. That's why the CDC is recommending that the schools open.
| State/Territory | Case Rate per 100,000 | Death Rate per 100,000 |
| New York City* | 2689 | 280 |
| New York* | 1683 | 79 |
| California | 1179 | 22 |
| Sweden | 777 | 56 |
| *Counts for New York City and New York state are shown separately |
Really fuckn tired of all you guys who think they are the authority on the virus. Are we gonna have a season, blah....blah blah. I had the virus, really sucks, youth sports takes a back seat. So stop spazzing your little Prius driving mind and chill the fuck out. If it happens, it happens. If in your daily life your biggest problem is youth hockey, life is good.
Really fuckn tired of all you guys who think they are the authority on the virus. Are we gonna have a season, blah....blah blah. I had the virus, really sucks, youth sports takes a back seat. So stop spazzing your little Prius driving mind and chill the fuck out. If it happens, it happens. If in your daily life your biggest problem is youth hockey, life is good.
Really fuckn tired of all you guys who think they are the authority on the virus. Are we gonna have a season, blah....blah blah. I had the virus, really sucks, youth sports takes a back seat. So stop spazzing your little Prius driving mind and chill the fuck out. If it happens, it happens. If in your daily life your biggest problem is youth hockey, life is good.
I've been lurking here for a good amount of time, but never felt compelled to post until reading this. So I signed up just to write this.
I am a hockey mom with 3 sons who have played at every level from inhouse to D1. We've experienced every phase of the highs, lows, hopes and dreams, harsh realities, sacrifices and shuffled priorities that come with the youth hockey life. We've gone from the thrill of that first mite goal to a dizzying one-goal loss for the D1 national championship.
We've also made all of the expectations adjustments, from "our kid is the next Connor McD!" to our kid will have fun in beer league while working 9-to-5 to support his family.
And after all of that, I can tell you this...
THE POST ABOVE IS 100% CORRECT.
Anyone fixated on squeezing juice out of the upcoming season at any cost by forcing and finagling ice time under current conditions has some seriously f***-up priorities and needs to re-evaluate.
I tell you this with perspective as well, as our dear friend's son, age 16, DIED 2 weeks ago in Florida. Not just died... talking horrific, tortuous suffering. Basically drowning alive. At age 16. Because he had to be be in the gym to train with his buddies (albeit for football, not hockey).
So take this perspective for what it's worth. If you could witness the living hell of Covid's reality up close and for real, through the hearts of the parents who lost their athlete teenage son, I'd wager you'd stop all of your circuitous planning and plotting to get ice time under these conditions--even if your kid truly is the next Connor McD.
Anyway, I won't be posting again to respond to ignorant claims of "if you're scared stay home" and "sheep" and "it's risky just crossing the street." Every time I read them, I know with 100% certainty that the person speaking these words is either truly, dangerously, blissfully ignorant, or just incredibly selfish, putting a game above their child's safety.
Good luck to all.
Tara
I tell you this with perspective as well, as our dear friend's son, age 16, DIED 2 weeks ago in Florida. Not just died... talking horrific, tortuous suffering. Basically drowning alive. At age 16. Because he had to be be in the gym to train with his buddies (albeit for football, not hockey).
Not just died... talking horrific, tortuous suffering. Basically drowning alive. At age 16.
Wow. that was alot of research to drop hints another person is wrong. What a horrible way to prove some point
I'll make an attempt again - rumor is CAHA will be meeting this weekend to allow tier teams to form teams (including AA).
People do chat - the chat board is called "Bantam AA" - I think it would be great to return discussing that rather than anything else - as I can tell you with 100% proof - nobody will prove anything to anybody here. (And yes, I am to blame to bring up some unrelated stuff as well...)
I'll make an attempt again - rumor is CAHA will be meeting this weekend to allow tier teams to form teams (including AA). That would be a step forward to allow CA teams to participate in USA Hockey sanctioned events/tournaments (who just announced that "hockey is back")
Kids can't practice forever - they want to play games sooner rather than later. And I guess, some clubs are willing to make a "soft lock" on some players.
I like the start your own league to get things rolling concept. I dont think SCAHA and CAHA are going to run a game counter to State directives and will continue to say no to tryouts, teams, and scrimmages.
Some of it may be the implication(s) of creating and approving "team" rosters - when the state has currently shut team sports down.
The USA hockey PSA seems to want teams and games to happen.
Maybe its time to petition USA hockey directly and form a new Affiliate that can get games going in state.
Its quite a pickle to be in. here is a story from both sides of coin.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-aaa-hockey-teams-secretly-play-in-manitoba-1.5666146 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-aaa-hockey-teams-secretly-play-in-manitoba-1.5666146)
There is a WORLD of difference (in my mind) between doing this with 7-12 year olds and 16+ year olds trying to get drafted, or vie for Jr or college spots. Given this is the bantam board? I think Bantams could probably wait a while too. And the sneakiness with which they did this is the first hint that they were crossing a line.
I've always had a hard enough time breathing without a shield or mouthpiece. I couldn't imagine skating with a mask on. Not looking to shift this back to politics so no need to reply with a list of stats I don't have time to read, but I thought Fauci said you should not exercise with a mask on?
And all the "Rinks" starting from today will require masks for skaters - which effectively "kills it" imho, leaving our "always non-abiding" rinks to benefit from it all, I guess
It is my understanding that The Rinks had a policy that the Figure Skaters had to wear masks while on the ice. One of the Figure Skating mom's complained that hockey players did not have to wear them.
Ahhhh Labor Day weekend. Who would’ve ever thought we’d miss the CAHA jamboree?
Unless something changed last night SCAHA is not allowing out of state plays for us non-tier teams. Only option is non-sanctioned tournaments that are few and far between.
Heard that pushed back tryouts till 11/20
Heard that pushed back tryouts till 11/20
Now just imagine going to a tournament in Pheonix and playing a few of those teams a couple times. You can run your team and run a tight covid ship, but you have no control over the other team and what rules govern their practice/play
didn't jd and jk midgets just return from omaha where they played the dallas jr stars?
Sure.
If 1 in 16 cars (i.e. the number of teams at a tournament) that you drove by had the potential to cause your car to burst into flames.
This is an area where the leagues should be 'stepping up' and creating some standard prevention criteria for admission into tournaments.
Sure.
If 1 in 16 cars (i.e. the number of teams at a tournament) that you drove by had the potential to cause your car to burst into flames.
This is an area where the leagues should be 'stepping up' and creating some standard prevention criteria for admission into tournaments.
I'd actually call it about 240 cars(15 players per team) with about a 99.8% chance or better if your one of those drivers you'll make it home.
Any mention as to how many sleeping pills he took? 1, 2, 6, or 10?
As for the AAA players that recently played and are coming back home, if you're that concerned take another 7 months off cause those boy will all be bouncing around to you local facilities getting their ice time in.
I know, it should not matter about indirect exposure. That wedding in New England - 175 people ended up with it, i think 6 died. Some some of the dead did not even go to the wedding, they were simply hangin doing their thing. Eh, but as long as you are not impacted directly, its ok - well its not ok. because you are inconvenienced by this world wide "experiment"
To be fair, the topic of this latest discussion was 31 youth hockey players in Texas getting Covid, and a coach dying at death that was at least related to it. I also know kids on two teams at private school that have been quarantined for covid exposure. Not hard to find news of other tournaments beset with it too.
There are safe ways to play and practice. And ways that are not safe. That was the discussion.
Think it's just like the flu? Talk to my dead uncle :-(
It's ok, man.
They've cancelled the Quebec peewee tournament. But clearly Strawman knows better than all the people (doctors, health department, etc) that they no doubt consulted before cancelling the largest youth tournament in the world. It must be safer than driving.
I stand in awe.
As I stated previously, 60% of all AAA midget teams have already been playing games, and that was a week ago, so the totals are now closer to 70-80%. That includes several of the CA clubs. I will say that there is a lot of extremely short sighted and reactionary nonsense that goes along with this. For example, some shrews who live in an area around the rink called the police to report that people were "tailgating" in the parking lot of a rink in a Maryland suburb. This was complete horseshit. Because the rink will not allow any spectators, people are having to suffice with sending a designated video person to stream the game on facebook live, youtube or periscope. In this case, a group of parents were watching the game on a monitor on the side of an RV.
So what does the local municipality do? Tell the rink that parents can no longer even PARK in the parking lot. So for practice, when dropping off your 7 year old for the u8 ADM, you are supposed to drop em at the door, and then drive a mile away, returning only when your kid's session is over. Needless to say, parents are livid over this nonsense, and asking where is the common sense and interest in the well being of the kids? Is hockey now "child care?" Meanwhile rinks that have the capacity to seat hundreds of spectators could very safely open to 25% of capacity, and still accommodate the parents who want to watch, while allowing for adequate social distancing. There are rinks in other states doing exactly that with no issues.
As for the Texas story, there are a lot of things left out of that story. Clearly the death of a young healthy coach is scary, but also a statistical anomaly, complicated by the taking of the sleeping pills. They have ruled his death accidental, caused by the sleeping pills having slowed his heart, and that issue complicated by Covid, which according to his family, they were not sure he actually had. Is there a lesson to be had? Don't take sleeping pills when you are very sick, whether that be the flu or any other sort of respiratory disease. I will go one more step and say that sleeping pills are in general really bad for you, and don't really even allow for restful sleep, because they suppress REM sleep. Yet I digress....
What we also don't know is whether or not the kids on the team in question, were going to the same school, as Texas schools reopened with In person instruction around the same time. For all we know, this was caught at school, not unlike the way kids routinely get the flu. I don't want to go out on a limb here, but with all the thousands of skates that have occurred for youth hockey players and figure skaters, and even beer league players, all we have is a handful of reported cases. How many hockey sessions are required before it's clear that your chances of getting Covid playing youth hockey aren't very high?
Where is the follow up on the Texas team? If all those kids were sick, how many of them now are fully recovered? How many passed it on to other members of their family? Is there a quarantine going on, and if so how many days into the quarantine are they? That would be actual reporting, but we probably won't get that information, because it isn't inflammatory enough. Only the story of the Typhoid Mary team, and how Covid killed their young 29 year old coach remains.
They have juniors leagues considering cancelling season in Canada. It's not fear of covid, it's that they won't be able to break even on costs due to the limited admittance. At 25% attendance, it's difficult to survive as operating at a huge loss. So I'm going to agree with they figured the US-Canada border closure would keep too many teams out of the Quebec tournament. They need revenue, ability to get the teams into and out of the country. They won't have that. We can have safe hockey, so don't hang the Quebec tournament cancellation as your example of science at work. Consider economics and, as was brought up, potential damage to the "brand" if we don't have the best teams competing.
I think the parking lot banning had something to do with contact tracing, although that may have been in a different state... where a hockey program had an outbreak traced to congregating parents.
The other states are not that way and non of the teams we faced looked as if it was their first game of the year.Then how do you explain the CA teams that actually won their out-of-state tournaments? I know a few AAA and AA teams that competed just fine, with a few going to finals and a few winning it all.
I guess some specifics are needed here - did they face competition they normally do? As as bad as it is CA is not the only state shutting down your sports.
On the bright side... by 2035 we'll all have electric cars. 8)
I guess some specifics are needed here - did they face competition they normally do? As as bad as it is CA is not the only state shutting down your sports.
Well if you go out of state, obviously you won't face competition you're familiar with. Oh, wait...
Some teams belong in their registered division and some don't. It has always been that way. And like you said, CA is not the only state with restrictions applied to youth hockey, so losing your tourney and blaming it on Covid seems like a cop out to me.
The teams that had been together for many years showed. I know that many of the CA teams mentioned above have been together since at least PW maybe longer. A newly formed team is at a greater disadvantage because they can not play and determine who fits where, this has to be done on the fly. Think SCAHA/CAHA selects or any scouting combine.Maybe the "newly formed" team just sucks :'(
BTW, nice of some of you to read this as an
excuse for losing a tournament. I could care less about losing or winning tournaments (Junior scouts do not care). At the older higher levels it is about individual scouting and wins and losses do not matter. I understand many of you believe you must win at all cost.
The teams that had been together for many years showed. I know that many of the CA teams mentioned above have been together since at least PW maybe longer. A newly formed team is at a greater disadvantage because they can not play and determine who fits where, this has to be done on the fly.Yes it does matter that a newly formed team may lack chemistry and familiarity with each other. But like I said, some teams belong and some teams don't, no matter how long they've been together. Our team lost 1/3 of kids from last yr and went to 2 tournaments with 5-6 new kids.
I don't believe in winning at all cost, but at the same time, you won't hear me cry about what a disadvantage CA kids have if we lose a tournament. Covid restrictions have been affecting all youth hockey teams one way or another... It is what it is.
BTW, nice of some of you to read this as an excuse for losing a tournament. I could care less about losing or winning tournaments (Junior scouts do not care). At the older higher levels it is about individual scouting and wins and losses do not matter. I understand many of you believe you must win at all cost.
After coming back from a AAA weekend I can tell you that CA kids are at a huge disadvantage because they are not able to scrimmage or play games of any kind in the state. The other states are not that way and non of the teams we faced looked as if it was their first game of the year.
I am so sick of this...
The teams that had been together for many years showed. I know that many of the CA teams mentioned above have been together since at least PW maybe longer. A newly formed team is at a greater disadvantage because they can not play and determine who fits where, this has to be done on the fly. Think SCAHA/CAHA selects or any scouting combine.Maybe the "newly formed" team just sucks :'(
BTW, nice of some of you to read this as an
excuse for losing a tournament. I could care less about losing or winning tournaments (Junior scouts do not care). At the older higher levels it is about individual scouting and wins and losses do not matter. I understand many of you believe you must win at all cost.
Its good to be back !
Then how do you explain the CA teams that actually won their out-of-state tournaments? I know a few AAA and AA teams that competed just fine, with a few going to finals and a few winning it all.
Which few AAA and AA teams went to the finals and which few won from CA?
I guess some specifics are needed here - did they face competition they normally do? As as bad as it is CA is not the only state shutting down your sports.
Then I know that ID AA team that badly wanted to be AAA team this year is being handed their ass to them - and they did 3 tourney already at the least.
A tragic story. Turns out the coach took sleeping pills (I guess to go to sleep while feeling like crap) while he had Covid. A terrible idea from a respiratory point of view. But he was pretty clearly in bad shape. Really sad.
But before we all take this an an indication that there is no way to do anything safely...
He coached for the Texas Warriors. Here are their Covid rules:
https://www.texaswarriors.org/news_article/show/1122406 (https://www.texaswarriors.org/news_article/show/1122406)
They read like an organization just trying to skirt the public health office and keep quiet. Note the part about if you post to facebook about a player or coach having Covid you will be suspended for a year. Also that if 3 kids are caught without masks they will be suspended for a game on successive games (because I guess it's more important to play than enforce).
But here is the kicker....
“20% rule is still in place – If 20% of a team is infected at the same time there will be a 14 day shutdown of the team. We understand that the health department is saying that even one positive result should result in the shut down of a team but we will be adhering to the league rule.â€
That's a league rule. You could have 3 or 4 kids with Covid who had been practicing and playing with your team, and they would be FINE with you keeping playing, and potentially using asymptomatic carriers in a competitive game against other teams. Just make sure those 3 or 4 that are showing symptoms stay at home.
That's nuts. No wonder their league has had 31 cases.
That was the Kings 07 AA not triple
Looks like Dallas is in full swing.
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07 AA Ducks (#2?) are going to the Ship?
And it looks like Kings AAA 06 "smoked" the Ice Dogs 8-0. Back to the drawing board for the Dogs considering they setup such huge expectations with roster revisions. Kings look solid. Surprised to know that Ducks AAA 06 didn't make this trip.
Yes GSE kid is outstanding; at the same time Ducks AA played final with 10 skaters losing 2 players to injuries in prior games.
Could not see them losing to 4th seed team anyway with the full roster
Both the 07 Ice Dogs (AA #2?) and 07 Kings AA (playing in AAA) made a strong push but failed to make it out of the Semis. Omaha and DSE with the eliminations.
Saints club is HQ'd out of KROC, they're not affiliated with Jr.Gulls
Saints club is HQ'd out of KROC, they're not affiliated with Jr.Gulls
The Kroc Ice Rink is closed indefinitely isn't it? Where are the Saints teams playing? Poway?
Saints club is HQ'd out of KROC, they're not affiliated with Jr.Gulls
The Kroc Ice Rink is closed indefinitely isn't it? Where are the Saints teams playing? Poway?
I honestly don’t think there will be a season, and I’m not even sure if spring hockey will start on time.
Getting tempting to just skip this year and go to spring hockey.
The latest update from SCAHA.
http://scaha.com/scaha/Welcome.xhtml (http://scaha.com/scaha/Welcome.xhtml)
Fistocuffs,
I'm not sure what statistics you're referring to, but hockey kids are at close to no risk from covid unless they're obese (unlikely) or have other serious co-morbidities. Among adults, there are specific cohorts at risk. With two promising vaccines just around the corner, it makes no sense for anybody who's not at risk to be on any kind of lockdown. Let people at risk stay home if they want to until a vaccine is ready. Suicides, suicide attempts, and depression are surging among young people. At this point, I've read a disheartening number of stories about the catastrophic mental health issues that kids are suffering from now. What the frick is wrong with the grownups that they would do this to children??
I know exactly one person who died from/with covid. She was 87, and she outlived her daughter who died of cancer in her 60s. I know an older retired couple who both tested positive. One lost her sense of smell and taste, and then...got better. Her husband got sick at home, and then...got better.
Sacramento public schools can't open...but the private school where Newsom's kids go can stay open? Really??
Yes, people like freedom, as well they should. The problem is that we are locking down as if everybody is at the same risk. Save some kids' lives: speak out against this nonsense. And let kids play ice hockey...and soccer..and baseball...and roller hockey...and...and...we've lost our ability to reason, and kids are suffering as a result. That's the responsibility of every grownup who continues to panic instead of thinking rationally.
Nice idea... but who takes care of the invalid?
My Uncle is dead. In a home. During lockdown.
My parents are in a retirement home in Canada. They are pretty much locked down. But other people make their meals, clean, keep the place running. Mostly young people with kids. Who can do that and really avoid spreading it? If your answer is 'inevitably they will get it', no. It's been 9 months now. They are alive.
It's impossible to isolate people completely. Especially the aged or infirmed. And once it gets in that kind of environment, it spreads like wildfire. In one Canadian old age home 50 people died within 2 weeks. The workers were stacking bodies like cordwood.
It's all trade-offs. There ARE things we could do. Approve rapid at-home testing, even though it's not perfect for instance. Wouldn't it be great to be able to easily test these teams that are practicing a couple of times a week? Or before and after playing in tournaments out of state? It's a $5 test in Germany. They come in packs of 25 and are similar to pregnancy tests. That's a federal government thing. But they are pretending it just doesn't exist.
Nice idea... but who takes care of the invalid?
My Uncle is dead. In a home. During lockdown.
My parents are in a retirement home in Canada. They are pretty much locked down. But other people make their meals, clean, keep the place running. Mostly young people with kids. Who can do that and really avoid spreading it? If your answer is 'inevitably they will get it', no. It's been 9 months now. They are alive.
It's impossible to isolate people completely. Especially the aged or infirmed. And once it gets in that kind of environment, it spreads like wildfire. In one Canadian old age home 50 people died within 2 weeks. The workers were stacking bodies like cordwood.
It's all trade-offs. There ARE things we could do. Approve rapid at-home testing, even though it's not perfect for instance. Wouldn't it be great to be able to easily test these teams that are practicing a couple of times a week? Or before and after playing in tournaments out of state? It's a $5 test in Germany. They come in packs of 25 and are similar to pregnancy tests. That's a federal government thing. But they are pretending it just doesn't exist.
It’s about keeping our medical system from becoming overwhelmed. This point seems to be lost in all the “everyone is going to get it anyway†speeches.
Happy Thanksgiving all. May we be arguing about something important next year at this time. Like whether the puck crossed the line, if the ref is blind or what line the coaches son should be on.
It's called manipulation and control. Like the common flu (which kills thousands every year and seems to have completely been forgotten and disregarded from all conversation in the media Covid push) no vaccine WILL EVER resolve this situation. It is truly inevitable that everyone will catch Covid-19 regardless of how many seasons are canceled, restaurants are closed, jobs and businesses are destroyed and holidays are ruined. The mask rules are a joke and it is all political. Our fearless Governor is "apparently" now under quarantine with his family likely for damage control for getting publically busted for his hypocrisy and eating out at a dinner party during his push for "health safety." He will predictably say, "look what happened to me because of the mistakes I made and don't follow my lead...and now let me lock you down and ruin your lives." We have other "leaders" getting busted for hair days and dining out while forcing those they "lead" to stay home and live by different rules. We have Cuomo (wanna be mob-boss) getting an EMMY for his ridiculous morning TV speeches, scoldings and proclaimed self-righteousness. And now we will have a vaccine which will be ready in miracle time where kids who have less than approx. 0.006 chance of suffering anything major from Covid will likely be forced to take and prove records of taking before being allowed at their schools or maybe play team sports? A vaccine or a mask will not save us or get our kids back onto the ice or onto the fields. However, common sense and logic will.
Well. Nothing is really stopping people that really want to playInsurance
I would say get organized and start a league of your own. Ice may be hard to come by but you sound very smart and creative. Far smarter then our government
Yuo can form teams Create a schedule and play some games and get at least your self back To normal.
You do not really need USA hockey and affiliates to do this for you. It’s just a game. And anyone can form leagues and run a schedule. You just need some free time and commitment to see it through
Who says you have to conform?It's called manipulation and control. Like the common flu (which kills thousands every year and seems to have completely been forgotten and disregarded from all conversation in the media Covid push) no vaccine WILL EVER resolve this situation. It is truly inevitable that everyone will catch Covid-19 regardless of how many seasons are canceled, restaurants are closed, jobs and businesses are destroyed and holidays are ruined. The mask rules are a joke and it is all political. Our fearless Governor is "apparently" now under quarantine with his family likely for damage control for getting publically busted for his hypocrisy and eating out at a dinner party during his push for "health safety." He will predictably say, "look what happened to me because of the mistakes I made and don't follow my lead...and now let me lock you down and ruin your lives." We have other "leaders" getting busted for hair days and dining out while forcing those they "lead" to stay home and live by different rules. We have Cuomo (wanna be mob-boss) getting an EMMY for his ridiculous morning TV speeches, scoldings and proclaimed self-righteousness. And now we will have a vaccine which will be ready in miracle time where kids who have less than approx. 0.006 chance of suffering anything major from Covid will likely be forced to take and prove records of taking before being allowed at their schools or maybe play team sports? A vaccine or a mask will not save us or get our kids back onto the ice or onto the fields. However, common sense and logic will.