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4 socal kids on the us jrs - york johnson brisson wolf (+ minn natives lacombe & helleson played with jk for two seasons at pw/bantam). remarkable. it’s a shame how little ink this got in the local sports press.

Thanks for straightening me out on the numbers.
4 socal kids on the us jrs - york johnson brisson wolf (+ minn natives lacombe & helleson played with jk for two seasons at pw/bantam). remarkable. it’s a shame how little ink this got in the local sports press.
Hi Dr. Matt,

California has a lot of issues fairly unique to it, that I won't bore you with, but these boards debate and deconstruct in great detail.  California has been steadily producing its fair share of teams and players, as can be attested to by the 2 members of the recent US World Jr's gold medal team, that had 2 california kids on it.  A pw team from the Jr. Kings won the Quebec tourney a year back. 

What we also have is a significant exodus of players from the state at around the Bantam/Midget ages, for a variety of reason.  Lots of Cali kids have gone to Shattuck, and East coast and Canadien prep/hockey schools.  Other people have posted some counts, and the numbers are significant.  It's a significant trend here.   Geographically there are handful of High Schools that could offer an alternative option to that path, as the paper shows, which may or may not be a more attractive and economical option for families where they have a kid that wants to pursue a prep school education and a high school hockey experience.
Thanks for the reply, Always good to learn about hockey in another part of the country. Some years ago, when my son was younger we had a summer training group running out of the Superrink in Blaine, MN where we had one CAL kid from the Sacramento Area (Stevie Owre) living with the boys that summer. Talented player.  I think he ended up playing up in the Western Division of major Jrs someway in Canada. 
Does a great job laying out the landscape of High School and Prep school hockey, with classes of schools using the Minnesota system as a standard.  My summary with a bit of editorializing thrown in:

Essentially it's Minnesota D1 (the elite), D2 (solid AAA/AA range and depth) not elite, but can flex up into into D1, or down to just above D3), D3 (Mediocre level of play, often with wide variance of the overall skill level of the participants from some AAA/AA to players at JV/In house level spread across the team), and Minnesota Gold-B (Whatever teams that are left that are below Tier 3 level)

As a lot of players who advance to US Div 1 college programs come from Tier 1, this is a small collection, primarily according to the paper of about 40 Minnesota teams, and another 17 teams (a few from a handful of states, and the rest from Prep schools, including 2 in Minnesota).

In games between teams at each Division you would be expected to beat a lower division team by from 3-7 goals, depending on the range of their respective rating from high to low in the Division. 

At least in minnesota from Div1 to Div3, its 26% Div1 (about 40 teams), 46% Div2, and 26% Div3. 

As this should come as no surprise to most, the percentage of california high school teams per 100k population is .1  This is close to nascent in comparison to other traditional hockey states, and many non-traditional states for that matter.  There's only 50+ teams in the state year to year.  A handful of teams in the Ducks league qualify as Div 2 level (about 6 including teams from Nevada), with the rest of the Ducks/Kings league teams either at D3 or D4 level (roughly 50/50).

One could argue that the few california/nevada D2 teams are fairly equivalent to Prep school or Hockey Academy teams.  Conversely it's hard to even qualify teams in the Kings league as High School teams, since they really are just another type of hockey, with an amalgam of hockey playing kids of jr high and high school age, who live in arbitrarily drawn geographic areas.  The Kings don't even bother to really verify or check roster qualification from what I've seen.  With no disrespect intended to the participants, the Kings league to me, given its relatively high cost relative to value, and disconnection from actual High schools in all but a couple of cases, is basically a failure at this juncture.  It hasn't grown much from its inception, and the Kings organization seems to have little interest in growing it, discontinuing the original subsidies and moving the playoffs from Staples to the Toyota sports center  :(  Just look at the line of Commissioners in its short history. 

Not unlike the rest of california hockey, high school hockey in the state has a long way to go, and it seems unlikely to me that things will change much in the near future.  You will still see a lot of kids grow up with the sport into the U14 age group, with a significant percentage looking elsewhere for higher levels of competition and development.  Perhaps if clubs emerge to bridge the gap to actual schools, the Kings league might be able to grow, but eventually the leagues need to merge.  I left out Norcal, because I know very little about High school options in that region. 

Excellent resource.  Comprehensive, and quite humbling.

Cali's best rank was O Lu D1, with (only) 250 other High School teams ranked above it.

Puts our hockey programs in perspective.
Below is a link to the research paper:'_interscholastic_high_school_hockey_in_North_America

Enjoy.  - Dr Matt

A comparative study was performed that included the analysis of demographic and competitive rating data for
boys’ interscholastic high school ice hockey teams located in the North America. A composite rating profile
was generated using SportsoftTM windows-based software (least-squares method) that reduced the raw game
scores of over 146,000 games played by 5,479  boys’ teams in both United States and Canada between the
ages of 15 to 18.  Individual rating profiles for each state high school league were extracted, tabulated, trend
lines plotted and analysed.  State rating profiles were grouped by region and comparative graphs were plotted
using the state of  Minnesota as a common benchmark.



Keywords: least-squares, ice hockey, rating profile, Minnesota
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Bantam Hockey / Re: Latest CAHA Non-sense
« Last post by ABCDE on December 25, 2020, 08:48:21 PM »
KickSave, there are plenty of teams that have travelled out of state with zero outbreaks.  I won't name them for you to spurn.  You can do your own homework.  My son's team has had zero outbreaks and observe protocols and use basic common sense.  We travel every few weeks.  Don't worry.  We'll never be in contact with you, apparently.  Happy Holidays.
Bantam Hockey / Re: Latest CAHA Non-sense
« Last post by CA_HockeyDad on December 25, 2020, 05:11:28 PM »
That’s one way to look at it.   I read it more like. Caha overreaached.  They are not in the business of policing.   Teams can read and know what the state said about out of state sports

If you look at bylaws of caha. They simply are there to make sure penalties are properly enforced and rosters are correct and legal and all teams are following USA hockey rules of play

I feel the liability is now on the team. And the families if crap hits the Covid fan.  This is where it belongs I feel. 

Caha is not allowing anything.  It was never their call to dictate

Another armchair quarterback
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