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Peewee Hockey / Re: PeeWee A 2018/2019
« Last post by SkatingDad on December 14, 2018, 04:12:24 PM »
First year Bantams get rudely awakened by second year Bantams.  You can see it in the eyes of the kids that will not continue playing...
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Peewee Hockey / Re: PeeWee A 2018/2019
« Last post by JackBender on December 14, 2018, 03:02:47 PM »
This is SoCal, baby! And the only way some PW Superstar is being replaced by a PWB Duster at 16AAA is because the PW Superstar left two years prior to go crush it at a HoneyBaked! You're talking about height/weight.  Kids good at PW are good at PW because they're ALREADY good athletes (agility, speed, balance, hand-eye coordination, endurance, grit, etc.)... and with no checking and most kids pre-puberty, they get rewarded with height/weight not mattering as much. Yes, that changes at puberty... but small Superstars at PW can still hang and be small Superstars at 16AAA. Example? Go watch a Kings/Ducks 16AAA game. The best kid on the ice is also the smallest kid on the ice... he's a stud at 16AAA, and he was a stud at the Brick when he was 10 (hint: he's on the Ducks).


We're essentially saying the same thing... with growth and checking, things change.  Sure.  I just think that the kids that put in the work when young and constantly push themselves and challenge themselves against the best competition will have more likelihood to achieve success in the long run. That applies not just to hockey, but to everything in life.  Yeah, there are exceptions... and this forum loves to talk about exceptions... but by PW Major you have a pretty good indication of who can play and who can't. Up to them then to continue or take up water polo.     
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Peewee Hockey / Re: PeeWee A 2018/2019
« Last post by Knuckle Puck on December 14, 2018, 01:17:19 PM »
my point is that making it to 16aaa and beyond depends *FAR* more on genetics than playing "intense demanding competive" hockey at ages 8-12, and that is proven every. single. year.  big strong kids who maybe weren't as skilled at 12 imrpove their hands and skating, get bigger and stronger, and take the spots from smallish former peewee superstars. sucks for many hardworking little guys, but that's the way it goes. same thing happens in most sports. you'll see. enjoy traveling north america for tournaments, but don't kid yourself that it will make much difference in your kid's career, because it won't.




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Peewee Hockey / Re: PeeWee A 2018/2019
« Last post by JackBender on December 14, 2018, 07:38:43 AM »
So what's your point? The truly elite 12AAA kids leave by 15AAA, we all know that, which is why less talented kids are needed for 16AAA. Talent goes with the jet stream... west to east. That being said, both Kings/Ducks 16AAA teams are still loaded with kids who played AAA/AA by PW Major. You'd be hard pressed to find more than a few exceptions to that. By 18AAA, it's a ghost town, and you have your local kids who played at every level, with every club filling out rosters. Regardless, if a kid doesn't have that inner drive and desire to battle and push themselves hard every day without mommy and daddy riding their ass... then they'll never get past a certain level. And, as you suggest, by Bantam, it becomes very clear who has that desire and who doesn't.  Sure, have fun while doing it... but, like everything in life, you better darn well be prepared if you want to succeed. It matters. It all matters. Life is a marathon... so you better have good shoes.
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Peewee Hockey / Re: PeeWee A 2018/2019
« Last post by Knuckle Puck on December 14, 2018, 12:31:03 AM »
guess some of you don’t have kids grown through bantam/midget. Here’s the reality: half the kids playing 12AAA in SoCal will be gone by 15AAA. Half the kids playing 16AAA in SoCal were aa/a/b pre-Bantam.

Examples: 2 of the 2001 Ducks Ncaa D1 commits played pwa. Another didn’t play at all during his bantam years, then played a year of adhshl. Big/strong/fast/skilled eventually rises to the top. Genetics plays at lease 70% into what ultimately makes a player, and has a lot more to do with getting to 16aaa than where a kid played squirt and pw.

No teams “stay together” from pw to midget, anywhere. puberty and checking changes everything. AAA rankings at the lower age ranges are a fun parlor game, nothing more. Most important is that your kid is having fun; if that’s on a minor pw birth year aaaa elite select “superteam” that’s great, but if it’s on a middle of the pack pwa team, that’s great too. where they play pre-bantam matters little by the end.  cheers.
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Peewee Hockey / Re: PeeWee A 2018/2019
« Last post by Strawman on December 13, 2018, 09:40:45 PM »
Rankings mean something at AAA. Undeniably. These are pure birth year teams, and they generally stay together from year to year, and it is a very accurate measurement of the quality of team. Additionally, the rankings are used for admission to exclusive tournaments and showcases. If you don't believe that, you don't know youth hockey is America.


As for A or AA, rankings below Bantam Major are silly for the most part since there are no Nationals and mixed year teams change drastically from year to year. That being said, this far into a season, the rankings are a pretty good indicator of the quality of teams. Compare league standings with rankings... they're pretty darn close. People often complain, though... because their egos are hurt when they see their team is ranked 127th!  :o :o :o 


P.S. I miss BRAZZERS so much.


I agree that in AAA rankings are more informative, probably because the data sets are more robust (smaller group of teams playing each other more frequently and reporting data regularly instead of 1000+ teams playing each other rarely and reporting results inconsistently). The rankings are also m[size=78%]ore consequential. But more importantly, I miss Brazzer too. And Westside. [/size]
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Peewee Hockey / Re: PeeWee A 2018/2019
« Last post by JackBender on December 13, 2018, 01:49:34 PM »
And good luck getting a serious look at AAA if you are coming from A


If your player belongs, they will look, if they don't belong, then it does not matter.


Totally agree. But playing the highest level of hockey better prepares you for 16U. There are anomalies, but you'd be very, very hard pressed to find a 16U AAA roster in the entire country with a kid that never played anything above A previously. Unless the kid is a total freak, the gap is just too wide. The real discussion, though, is between playing AA versus AAA... especially in the Western United States (not just CA).     
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Peewee Hockey / Re: PeeWee A 2018/2019
« Last post by SkatingDad on December 13, 2018, 01:33:27 PM »
And good luck getting a serious look at AAA if you are coming from A


If your player belongs, they will look, if they don't belong, then it does not matter.
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Mite Hockey / Re: Mites 2018-19
« Last post by Deuce on December 13, 2018, 01:13:12 PM »
Empire and Ducks have teams participating along with the Ice Dogs Mite B team. I believe there is another team of individuals they are forming as well.
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Peewee Hockey / Re: PeeWee A 2018/2019
« Last post by TheFourthA on December 13, 2018, 12:59:20 PM »
And good luck getting a serious look at AAA if you are coming from A
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