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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #150 on: June 25, 2021, 07:47:05 AM »
THe math makes it tough.  if there is 20 teams you have to play 5 games over 4 weekends.


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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #151 on: June 25, 2021, 10:48:17 AM »
Currently there are 18 declared 14U AA teams. Doesn’t make the math a whole lot easier, but it isn’t the original 21 everyone thought.

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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #152 on: June 25, 2021, 12:00:22 PM »
Currently there are 18 declared 14U AA teams. Doesn’t make the math a whole lot easier, but it isn’t the original 21 everyone thought.


Does that include NoCal?

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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #153 on: June 25, 2021, 01:16:27 PM »
after successfully wrecking midget hockey in cali, the caha braintrust is now working on bantam. peewees next.


You have it all wrong.  CAHA is focused on finding a way to reduce the oversubscription of california hockey programs wherever they may be, in much the same way that the great Ebeneezer Scrooge suggested certain people should die and decrease the surplus population.  Once enough kids have fled the California youth hockey scene, there will be more than enough open roster spots, so that all californians can enjoy the perfection of a system where every game ends in a tie borne of penultimate competitive equality. 


In the perfect future, all California AAA teams will boast rosters anointed as future NTDP shoe-ins at 10u, and will never leave the top 5 national rankings, as it was in the olden days of California hockey supremacy.  Those who are not satisfied with their assigned place, will be free to seek out stick time on their way to beer league valhalla. 


The problem is the suckers unsophisticated letter chasing parents who just continue to fail to understand how damaging it is when your son or daughter plays on a team that loses.  It's not CAHA's fault that you don't understand that if your kid was actually good at hockey, they would be on a team that always WINS.  CAHA knows in advance which teams will win and which will lose, so there is really no reason to waste time playing games when we all know the outcome of the season weeks before tryouts even occur.  You are all wasting time and resources that could be better spent by the really good kids kicking ass in Phoenix or Dallas.




Far too many people seem to think that just because they PAY for their kids to play hockey, that means they might want some choice as to what club or coach appeals to them or even just wanting to play for a team that is a practicality for their location.  This is all wrong headed thinking.  All kids peak at 10u.  If your kid isn't dominating 12 year olds by that age, then face the facts --  they will never be good.  Stay in your lane.  Stop joining teams that lose games to other teams that might be better.


Until such time, as all of you idiots keep wanting choice in the marketplace of california youth hockey, CAHA will have no choice but to continue to come up with new and increasingly outlandish systems to punish LOSING HOCKEY and decrease competition accordingly.  Sure this year, they may just unilaterally dump teams from AA to A, but clearly this is a half measure.   After all, Tier 2 isn't a path to Tier 1, or a pragmatic alternative to Tier 1, despite what some of you may mistakenly think it to be, but it in actuality really only exists because some idiot hit the "I" key twice, many years ago, fat fingered the copy and paste into the CAHA rule book, and published the rules before anyone noticed that somewhere between sixteen and twenty teams had formed.  Since they're now stuck with it, you can't blame the CAHA board from trying to have some fun and experiment on kids.


I did manage to get a transcript from the latest CAHA board meeting, and I thought this discussion was interesting:


"Why do we have so many shitty AA teams, I mean, C'mon?  Can't we do something about this travesty?"


"I have a thought.  Perhaps demoting a team to A isn't enough.  Just spit balling here, but what if we came up with a more meaningful -- I don't know, punishment doesn't really capture it, I mean this is youth hockey and the eyes of the world are upon us here..."


"I think we all know where this is going, and it can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned."


"People we discussed this at the last six meetings, and we keep getting stuck on the details of who exactly is going to pay for the branding and maintenance of the branding equipment, as well as the specific terminology to be used."


"But I thought we agreed that 'Losers' was vague and just to open to interpretation, and for that reason, the brand should say 'BAD AT HOCKEY'"


Now I know this might be a concern to you Bantam parents, and perhaps even outrageous that AA demotion might also involve a painful permanent branding of your child, but you can rest easy knowing that this discussion only pertains to how the Bantam system could be adapted to work at the U12 level. 


   
What's  up ID, been a while.  Thank you, i had trouble sleeping last night and decided to check the boards.  By paragraph 66 i was out. 




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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #154 on: June 25, 2021, 01:54:24 PM »
Find it hard to believe that teams seasons will be over in Dec.  The clubs ARE NOT in the buisness of giving back money.  Not gonna happrn

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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #155 on: June 26, 2021, 11:32:43 AM »
Tournaments. Let’s make it more pricey for hockey in Cali. 


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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #156 on: June 28, 2021, 09:47:24 AM »
Currently there are 18 declared 14U AA teams. Doesn’t make the math a whole lot easier, but it isn’t the original 21 everyone thought.


This is just SCAHA.  From everything I can gather (posts here, SCAHA declarations and team websites/ contacts), SCAHA will actually only start with 17 teams (Heat didn't form a team and SD Gulls only formed 1 team per website, they were originally in for 2 originally).  Add in NorCal's 4 teams (both GSE teams, Sharks and Santa Clara Blackhawks) and 14U AA should start with 21 teams total.



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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #157 on: June 28, 2021, 09:51:39 AM »
Find it hard to believe that teams seasons will be over in Dec.  The clubs ARE NOT in the buisness of giving back money.  Not gonna happrn


Sounds like that because of how late into the year AA will actually be determined, teams that don't drop themselves by 9/15 will be relegated to just that as it would be too late to add them to an already established A season.  AA not fully set until mid-November.  Not saying I agree with it, just logistically not sure how there is a way to incorporate actual relegation into A with the format CAHA chose to use this year.

CAHA Weekend Dates:
Sep 17-18, 2021 (Preseason #1)
Oct 8-10, 2021 (Preseason #2)
Oct 22-24, 2021 (Preseason #3)
Nov 12-14,2021 (Play-In Weekend)
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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #158 on: July 12, 2021, 07:26:29 PM »
Find it hard to believe that teams seasons will be over in Dec.  The clubs ARE NOT in the buisness of giving back money.  Not gonna happrn


Sounds like that because of how late into the year AA will actually be determined, teams that don't drop themselves by 9/15 will be relegated to just that as it would be too late to add them to an already established A season.  AA not fully set until mid-November.  Not saying I agree with it, just logistically not sure how there is a way to incorporate actual relegation into A with the format CAHA chose to use this year.

CAHA Weekend Dates:
Sep 17-18, 2021 (Preseason #1)
Oct 8-10, 2021 (Preseason #2)
Oct 22-24, 2021 (Preseason #3)
Nov 12-14,2021 (Play-In Weekend)


Agreed.  They'll be relegated to just SCAHA scheduled games, scrimmages, and become a tournament team.  The clubs still get paid for the full season, but the parents will just have to reallocate their funds from CAHA weekends to tournaments which aren't part of club fees from my understanding.  I'm not sure how this all will play out, but it just seems the players won't be playing for anything meaningful come December besides maybe tournaments.

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Re: The CAHA AA Flight system sucks again (2019 Bantam AA Edition)
« Reply #159 on: July 26, 2021, 12:25:21 PM »
What's  up ID, been a while.  Thank you, i had trouble sleeping last night and decided to check the boards.  By paragraph 66 i was out.


Trans you know I write this stuff just for you.   ;D   Like so many others, have been facilitating the prescribed cali hockey experience by having my kid play hockey somewhere other than Cali.  Back for the summer, he was doing some skates with a bunch of other kids '06 and older, and of the roughly 25-30 that participated in these skates, there were maybe 2 or 3 that will be playing hockey in the state next year. :o