Peewee AA 2017-2018

[Hockeyking]

Are there any teams that are surprising everyone? Porsitive or negative?

[lcadad]

As I predicted previously, CAHA is going to have to make some arbitrary decisions on cutting off the division at 10.  There is a whole range of situations from teams that will come out of the bracket with 3 wins having only played 1 upper echelon team, to teams that will come out 1-3 and lost a number of closely contested games to upper tier teams.  A couple of teams have put up results (while arguably playing easier schedules) that did well enough to make an argument that they belong in the top tier.   There are teams that will end up 1-3 that clearly should be in the top tier. 


Really, what you can see at this point from the Jamboree is that there are a few teams who really shouldn't be trying to play AA.  That number, depending on how you look at it, is from 2-4.  That leaves 14 teams vying for 10 spots.


Overall, this looks to be a very competitive season, with about 4 frontrunners, but teams that are not far behind and will certainly challenge them.  There will be a real battle for the top 8 spots, and the possibility that a lower tier team will knock of the 8th seed is extremely low, however, given a 1 game Peewee hockey playoff anything is possible.  Still it's a dumb idea and unfair not only to the teams involved, but to the 9 & 10 placed upper tier teams, who would probably beat the Flight2 #1 90% of the time.


If CAHA sticks with their plan and cuts things off at 10, I expect some serious grousing, and depending on who gets left out, there will be some strong cases to be made that this format did exactly the things that people were concerned about, favoring teams that have more experience playing together, and in some cases, denying teams with strong finishing ability, the chance to rebound from some bad luck, or to pull away in the end. The power plays were a complete joke.  When you have runtime on a 1:30 pp, you are lucky to get 25-30 seconds of actual PP time.  Ice the puck 2x and by the time the refs setup again, PP was over. 

[skates]

Hey Skates, looks like OC wasn't that bad after all 

Lol! I am not sure losing 5 to 0, 7 to 2, 9 to 2, and then winning games against easier teams that should be playing single A constitutes that they were not bad. Oh well. I wish them both the best of luck. And just for the record, I got saved from the craziness because our team decided to play A. (Wifey pretty upset) but hey my kid is still playing with his friends.


Good luck to you all!

[ABCDE]

OC hasn't even played their 4th game yet, Skates. Or was that a prediction?

[5505]

Ok Skates, now what's the excuse? OCHC-1 Shand beat Jr Ducks-1 Kohn  (with the player you said he should've taken but didn't want the problem child). Now what?  🤣

[Hockey05]

Okay, most of us flew or drove 800 miles.
It was a great but expensive hockey re-union of sorts.  Our family had fun reconnecting with many old friends at different age groups. I only spoke to one person in favor of this whole thing.  I think a few teams only played other teams from So Cal. Before we take a long view of the CAHA board and accountability that should be taken for this hockey experience (and I'd hope people and board members of power reflect and act accordingly), let's look at the results. 14 teams proved they belong at AA, 4 did not.  Now what? Do we break this up 7 & 7?  Do all 14 get in one division?
Vacaville is in 5 weeks, what happens next?
Skates, your the stat man, get to work.

[Hockeyking]

Which four teams look like they don't belong in AA? Just curious how everyone's seeing this. One team I kmow of won 3 out of four games but yet, the three won games were easy wins. Because they won three easy games, does that make them AA status?

[Icelife]

Just curious what is being based as "easy teams"? Going from peewee A? Were there any Peewee AA teams last year that stayed AA this year?
And what is calling out a kid as a problem child? I think that's crap!

[skates]

Ok Skates, now what's the excuse? OCHC-1 Shand beat Jr Ducks-1 Kohn  (with the player you said he should've taken but didn't want the problem child). Now what?  🤣

Oh good for them. It will make the season more entertaining to see the teams compete. And how low of you to single out a kid as a problem child. From my understanding they didn't stand a chance of getting this kid on their team. But they sure did try. He chose not too. I think your just a hater and jealous that your kid doesn't have mad skills like that kid does. He will be waving at your kid while he is parading down the street while yours is on the sidewalk.  And just because OC won that game means nothing in my stat books. At least the Ducks never got their ass kicked in any of the games they played this weekend.

[skates]

Okay, most of us flew or drove 800 miles.
It was a great but expensive hockey re-union of sorts.  Our family had fun reconnecting with many old friends at different age groups. I only spoke to one person in favor of this whole thing.  I think a few teams only played other teams from So Cal. Before we take a long view of the CAHA board and accountability that should be taken for this hockey experience (and I'd hope people and board members of power reflect and act accordingly), let's look at the results. 14 teams proved they belong at AA, 4 did not.  Now what? Do we break this up 7 & 7?  Do all 14 get in one division?
Vacaville is in 5 weeks, what happens next?
Skates, your the stat man, get to work.

Lol, wish I had the time right now. It would be fun to predict this season. By looking at it, it is all a mess. Only 2 period per game, wrong for a team to have to play 6 am games and expect them to perform well at their next game for the day, just wrong, I think CAHA needs to go back to the drawing board.

[lcadad]

This is going to be pretty boring, if someone doesn't throw up a list, so I guess I'll be the guy to do it.

Without the scoresheets it's harder to do this than it would be with them.  I also didn't see a number of the teams play, but I have pretty good familiarity with the overall division.  These are not in order outside of the Groupings I've made:

Frontrunners
1. Bears
2. GSE 1

Should be In:
3. Ducks1
4. OCHC1
5. Kings1
6. Saints1
7. Blackhawks
8. Jr Flyers
9. Gulls1
10. GSE2

Could make an argument based on one game, that they can compete:
11. JD2

Flight 2
11. JD2
12. OCHC2 (a bit surprised by this)
13. Reign (Got better as tournament went on, had a solid showing against the Saints1 by the end)
14. Jr Kings 2 (Yes I know they went 3-1, and who was cooking up their schedule BTW?)
15. Ice Dogs
16. Saints 2  (These guys should strongly consider dropping to Peewee A)
17. Gulls2
18. Jr. Sharks (Tough go, especially considering they had the home rink advantage)


If you want to be really generous about it, you might argue that the Kings2 and Ducks2 (which are '07 playing up) might be able to beat a team on a the right day, but then you would have to explain how some of the other Tier2 teams they squeaked by should be excluded.

Whatever happens, I wish everyone the best in the season to come, and looking forward to seeing the kids playing some actual games.  Should be an exceedingly competitive season.

 

[#4BobbyOrr]

[lcadad]

Yes, thanks for providing that list by points.  This wasn't a tournament though, so, there's that.  Or are you making an argument that it should be taken into consideration?

[#4BobbyOrr]

used an old template that included points so I left it to be able to sort it after the data was entered, obviously everyone had different strengths of schedules which should be taken into consideration

[skates]

yep you definitely can't divide the tiers by looking at these stats.  Saints 1 should be in bottom tier based on who they played.  For a quick review I think it should be in this order:


1. GSE1
2. Bears
3. Ducks 1
4. Gulls 1
5. Blackhawks
6. GSE2
7. Kings 1
8. Ducks 2
9. OCHC 1
10. Saints 1
11. OCHC 2
12. Flyers
13. Gulls 2
14. Kings 2
15. Ice dogs
16. Sharks
17. Reign
18. Saints 2


Wish I had time to run numbers and was able to see shots on goal for a better picture.