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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #570 on: October 03, 2017, 10:46:10 AM »
AND the Bears "only" got outscored 2-0 in the 3rd period.

#4B0, so another way to look at it would be that the birth year, future '17-'18 Flt #2 AA Champs were down 5-0 going into the 3rd?


If games were 4 periods we win that game

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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #571 on: October 03, 2017, 10:50:34 AM »
And how many Brick games did they win? Might not want to use that as the argument.
I noticed you said JRK2 are stronger than "many flight one teams"...keep drinking the kool-aid. Which teams might those be? Have they beat any flight one teams to date?


they won one more brick game than your kid won.  The only flight 1 teams they have played are GSE1, Bears, and JK1. It would have been nice for caha or scaha to have scheduled them against some of the bubble teams.
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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #572 on: October 03, 2017, 11:02:51 AM »
JK2 has played a ton of games -- three times more than some teams.  Clearly, JK2 knows how to schedule scrimmages and has chosen who and where it wishes to play.  Perhaps a few scrimmages against those middle Flight 1 teams may have been in order.  So now the task is pretty simple:  play their way in, and in the process have a better record in SCAHA games than Ducks 2.  Very curious to see how they match up against the Flyers at Vacaville...
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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #573 on: October 03, 2017, 11:11:40 AM »
JK2 has played a ton of games -- three times more than some teams.  Clearly, JK2 knows how to schedule scrimmages and has chosen who and where it wishes to play.  Perhaps a few scrimmages against those middle Flight 1 teams may have been in order.  So now the task is pretty simple:  play their way in, and in the process have a better record in SCAHA games than Ducks 2.  Very curious to see how they match up against the FLyers at Vacaville...


that will be the test

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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #574 on: October 03, 2017, 03:46:22 PM »
AND the Bears "only" got outscored 2-0 in the 3rd period.

#4B0, so another way to look at it would be that the birth year, future '17-'18 Flt #2 AA Champs were down 5-0 going into the 3rd?
If games were 4 periods we win that game
#4BO, FUNNY, VERY FUNNY actually.  Common core math still has JK2 losing 5-4 in 4 periods.

Only trying to get a rise or response out of Go Kings_26 who seems willing to "stir things up" on this CalHockey board AND not support her/possibly his thoughts with facts, like you have and do.

Agreed, Flyers vs JK2 @ 1:15pm on Sunday in Vacaville will be alot of fun to watch as well as read about here on CalHockey
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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #575 on: October 03, 2017, 04:53:22 PM »
AND the Bears "only" got outscored 2-0 in the 3rd period.

#4B0, so another way to look at it would be that the birth year, future '17-'18 Flt #2 AA Champs were down 5-0 going into the 3rd?
If games were 4 periods we win that game
#4BO, FUNNY, VERY FUNNY actually.  Common core math still has JK2 losing 5-4 in 4 periods.

Only trying to get a rise or response out of Go Kings_26 who seems willing to "stir things up" on this CalHockey board AND not support her/possibly his thoughts with facts, like you have and do.

Agreed, Flyers vs JK2 @ 1:15pm on Sunday in Vacaville will be alot of fun to watch as well as read about here on CalHockey



Everyone knows common core math is crap

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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #576 on: October 03, 2017, 05:24:33 PM »
keep drinking:  To be honest, I got board with the counters.  If you reread my messages you will see they are all fact based.  I wish you, your kid, and your beliefs a wonderful season.  We all know that the JK2 team is very good, has great coaching and plays as a team.


Look, I hate to say it, but only time will tell.  We could debate this forever.  Losing to a bears team 5-2 when a week before the JK 1 team lost to the same bears team 4-2 says something?  Or not?  GSE 1 only scores about 6 goals a game, no matter who they play. Guess what?  They scored 6 on Ducks 2,  Kings 2, and other Tier 1 teams.   This is all starting to sound like jealousy to me.  Maybe some frustrated 05 parents that think little Johnny is going to the NHL and is too good to play younger kids?  Who knows. 


Some would think the Ducks 1 vs 2 game on Sunday was competitive because it was 4-3 and yet those who were there may think otherwise.  Ducks 1 outplayed Ducks 2 until some 5 on 3's at the end.  Using the earlier comment, we could even say it was 4-1 through two.  With all that, I'd argue it was not even the Ducks 1 best showing.  Does this mean that either belong or don't belong????  The score is not a good indicator.  Let's consider variables:  Already losing (play some weaker players); goalie has a bad/good game; Coach absent from the game; I could go on and on, inconsistency of children.....


Fact is, some teams win with defense and others with Cherry picking, and yet others with strong offense.  Just because one team wins 2-1 and the other 6-0 means absolutely nothing.  That same team that won the game 2-1, replayed a week later and won 5 to 0.  What analytics can we use to communicate the wide variance?  Doesn't make one team more competitive than the other.  The fact that the CAHA evaluators actually thought they could do a tier system that made sense is pretty funny. Hopefully they have day jobs. 

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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #577 on: October 03, 2017, 06:38:07 PM »
Losing to a bears team 5-2 when a week before the JK 1 team lost to the same bears team 4-2 says something? 

I think Jrk1 won that game against the Bears 4-2

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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #578 on: October 03, 2017, 08:53:22 PM »
Losing to a bears team 5-2 when a week before the JK 1 team lost to the same bears team 4-2 says something? 
I think Jrk1 won that game against the Bears 4-2
Rats13, please don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Go Kings_26 has so eloquently written to us that the quantity of words is more important than quality/truth (facts) or even the correct spelling/use of words.  We will all be honored to play such a very good birth year team, that has great coaching and plays as a team.

I raise my glass that all our children have a great, fun and safe weekend in Vacaville, CA. 

FREE ADVICE, please keep all hockey equipment + sticks in our rooms or at least out of sight in our vehicles.  Legend has it, equipment has disappeared from other hockey teams in the past.

   
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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #579 on: October 03, 2017, 09:15:51 PM »
My bad  Bears beet Kings 1 5-2 in San Jose.  Good catch.

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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #580 on: October 04, 2017, 08:21:08 AM »
Just so I'm following GoKing_26's logic...

Bears beat Kings (1) 5-2 in San Jose. Kings (1) then beat Bears 4-2 two weeks ago.Kings (2) ONLY lost to Bears 2-5. Which is the same score when Kings (1) lost. Therefore, Kings (2) and Kings (1) are basically on par? CAHA screwed up. They should be counting MORAL victories too.


It's a conspiracy that they're holding the 07s down.

If only Kings (1) and Kings (2) played we would really get a sense of where those teams stack up against each other on the actual ice and not through deduction. Oh wait, they did. Twice.

But deduction is fun, so let's keep playing.

Kings (1) & Bears both lost to Ducks (1) and both Kings (1) and Bears beat Kings (2) so therefore, Ducks (1) should have zero trouble with Kings (2). Kings (1) lost to the Gulls (1) and Kings (1) beat Kings (2) so therefore, Gulls shouldn't have any trouble with Kings (2) either. Ducks (2) beat Gulls (1) who beat Kings (1) who beat Kings (2) so therefore Ducks (2) are better than Kings (1) which means they should also be better than Kings (2).

Trying to logic all this out with real wins in 3 periods vs moral victories is completely ridiculous.

The truth is, Kings (2) have now played 3 teams in flight 1 and haven't beat any of them. I get that you want your team in flight 1, but what have they done to actually prove they belong there? Whose spot do they deserve? And if they were in flight 1, how do you suppose they'd do?
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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #581 on: October 04, 2017, 09:10:29 AM »
Just so I'm following GoKing_26's logic...

Bears beat Kings (1) 5-2 in San Jose. Kings (1) then beat Bears 4-2 two weeks ago.Kings (2) ONLY lost to Bears 2-5. Which is the same score when Kings (1) lost. Therefore, Kings (2) and Kings (1) are basically on par? CAHA screwed up. They should be counting MORAL victories too.


It's a conspiracy that they're holding the 07s down.

If only Kings (1) and Kings (2) played we would really get a sense of where those teams stack up against each other on the actual ice and not through deduction. Oh wait, they did. Twice.

But deduction is fun, so let's keep playing.

Kings (1) & Bears both lost to Ducks (1) and both Kings (1) and Bears beat Kings (2) so therefore, Ducks (1) should have zero trouble with Kings (2). Kings (1) lost to the Gulls (1) and Kings (1) beat Kings (2) so therefore, Gulls shouldn't have any trouble with Kings (2) either. Ducks (2) beat Gulls (1) who beat Kings (1) who beat Kings (2) so therefore Ducks (2) are better than Kings (1) which means they should also be better than Kings (2).

Trying to logic all this out with real wins in 3 periods vs moral victories is completely ridiculous.

The truth is, Kings (2) have now played 3 teams in flight 1 and haven't beat any of them. I get that you want your team in flight 1, but what have they done to actually prove they belong there? Whose spot do they deserve? And if they were in flight 1, how do you suppose they'd do?


Which flight 1 team did Ducks2 get a "real win in 3 periods" over?  Maybe we deserve their spot.  Would they play us for it? I bet I know what the answer to that would be.
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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #582 on: October 04, 2017, 11:49:22 AM »
Bobby Orr-What is your guess as to why CAHA decided to put Kings 2 in Flight 2?

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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #583 on: October 04, 2017, 01:26:39 PM »
Bobby Orr-What is your guess as to why CAHA decided to put Kings 2 in Flight 2?


Because CAHA thinks they don't belong in flight 1? That's my best guess.  My complaint has never been that Kings2 should be in flight 1, my complaint is that they never got to play any of the teams that they could have potentially beaten out for a spot. I don't think they got a fair shake to prove themselves. Simple as that. The whole 2 flight thing is stupid.  What a waste of time and resources for CAHA.

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Re: Peewee AA 2017-2018
« Reply #584 on: October 04, 2017, 01:33:53 PM »
I know that the Bears are a common denominator for a lot of this recent discussion, but the reality is that none of the recent games should be used as a benchmark.  They have been down as many as 3 of their best players, for every game since the Jamboree game 2.  They had a number of issues with kids not playing for various reasons, so none of those games or the recent ones represent the team at full capacity.   Bad idea to compare those scores and try and derive any comparative meaning.  They are just starting to get back up to speed.  It's a very talented, experienced and deep team.   

Seems like it's a 3 -way race at the top between the Bears, Gulls 1 & GSE 1.