CAHA Tier 2 Peewee/Bantam/U16 changes for 2017-2018

[#4BobbyOrr]

The ncaa isn't heavily scouting the wshl.  Do they pay attention? Minimally. At best it can be a stepping stone to the NAHL, BCHL or maybe the USHL (but that is even a stretch) which could lead to the NCAA. You might find a Picasso in a thrift store but if you are looking for great paintings you go to an art gallery. 

[Puck Yeah]

If you are really keeping your kid in hockey for that scholarship, you would be better served to savee the cost of AAA and send them to a good college.


Playing AAA to get a college scholarship is the same logic as using lobster as bait to catch catfish.

[#4BobbyOrr]

If you are really keeping your kid in hockey for that scholarship, you would be better served to savee the cost of AAA and send them to a good college.


Playing AAA to get a college scholarship is the same logic as using lobster as bait to catch catfish.

That's true if you aren't saving money for college and are paying for AAA hockey (or any travel hockey for that matter) then you probably need to re-evaluate your priorities.  In this town, however, many people can afford both travel hockey and college.  It's not an either/or proposition for everyone. 

[Puck Yeah]

I wasn't suggesting it was an either/or.  Only that the cost of AAA is equal to that of a college education.  If you put that money aside you have guarranteed money enough for an education.  If you spend it on AAA you gamble that you kid is good enough to get a scholarship and you don't have to pay again.


It is only a bird in hand observation.

[trans4761]

If you are really keeping your kid in hockey for that scholarship, you would be better served to savee the cost of AAA and send them to a good college.


Playing AAA to get a college scholarship is the same logic as using lobster as bait to catch catfish.

That's true if you aren't saving money for college and are paying for AAA hockey (or any travel hockey for that matter) then you probably need to re-evaluate your priorities.  In this town, however, many people can afford both travel hockey and college.  It's not an either/or proposition for everyone.

Come on B.O.  !!!!!


You've said some nutty stuff in the past, but this one takes JK pompous to a new level, congrats.

[#4BobbyOrr]

Let them eat cake

[trans4761]

Let them eat cake

LOL !!


But.....remember what happened to them.....not the kind of hair cuts your used to.

[#4BobbyOrr]

ha fyi when I said save for college I meant barber college

[trans4761]

ha fyi when I said save for college I meant barber college

Smart man....learn a trade.  Better than going to UCLA for 4 years to work st Starbucks.

[Puck Yeah]

ha fyi when I said save for college I meant barber college

Smart man....learn a trade.  Better than going to UCLA for 4 years to work st Starbucks.

You mean that transgender midget lesbian studies degree isn't going to land Johnny a 6 figure salary straight out of college??  How about if he minors in African basket weaving too?

[Numuvs]

http://nahl.com/player-advancement/college/index.cfm?season=2015
http://www.wshl.pointstreaksites.com/view/westernstateshockeyleague/commitments-13

compare college commitments from the WSHL 2015/16 to the NAHL for the same year.  in the WSHL, maybe the good players are there , but the scholarships aren't.  The WSHL even padded their list with ACHA commitments.  Club hockey?  1 D-1 commitment and about 25 D-3's and the D-3's don't even offer scholarships.   I don't see how pay to play could cost the same as billeting in the NAHL , the cost of a kids sticks alone would probably be higher than the billet expenses in those leagues where the sticks are free. And the BCHL has no billet fees anyway.  Any money you save in AA gets spent in pay to play juniors and then on club or d-3 college tuition.   Seems like it would cost more. Seems to me if the kid is good, get him on a AAA team that will get him in front of the eyeballs that can get him into free to play juniors which will get him in front of the eyeballs that can get him a college scholarship.  It''s a lot harder to get but the cost of AAA plus free to play Juniors plus a college scholarship would most likely be less than the cost of AA plus pay to play juniors plus college tuition.  You are right there are many different pathways, but that doesn't make them equal.



See, there's a huge misnomer... your comparison is fallacious! Check the NAHL or BCHL Rosters for California Players, there is 31 players in BOTH LEAGUES.

Reality.. NCAA DI rules allow 18 Scholarships for 25 players, so a full ride is not realistic. Also, an athletic scholarship is NOT guaranteed for four years. They are awarded for one academic year and MAY be renewed each year.

The cost of playing 16 AAA /18 AAA is over $14K with almost no guarantees of making any NAHL/BCHL teams... the majority of California players have a much better chance of developing in the WSHL for College Hockey than they will not making the NAHL or BCHL.

[Numuvs]

The ncaa isn't heavily scouting the wshl.  Do they pay attention? Minimally. At best it can be a stepping stone to the NAHL, BCHL or maybe the USHL (but that is even a stretch) which could lead to the NCAA. You might find a Picasso in a thrift store but if you are looking for great paintings you go to an art gallery.

Please do yourself a favor and count the number of rostered players from California in the NAHL and BCHL (31) combined. Do the math... how many 16U/18U AAA players are in California? The chances of a California Player making the NAHL and BCHL comes to roughly 3% or a 97% chance of not making it. Do you really think you're in a Art Gallery, Picasso?

btw... The WSHL Showcase Keynote Speaker was Frank Serratore, the Head Coach of U.S. Air Force Academy -  NCAA Div.I.

[#4BobbyOrr]

The ncaa isn't heavily scouting the wshl.  Do they pay attention? Minimally. At best it can be a stepping stone to the NAHL, BCHL or maybe the USHL (but that is even a stretch) which could lead to the NCAA. You might find a Picasso in a thrift store but if you are looking for great paintings you go to an art gallery.

Please do yourself a favor and count the number of rostered players from California in the NAHL and BCHL (31) combined. Do the math... how many 16U/18U AAA players are in California? The chances of a California Player making the NAHL and BCHL comes to roughly 3% or a 97% chance of not making it. Do you really think you're in a Art Gallery, Picasso?

btw... The WSHL Showcase Keynote Speaker was Frank Serratore, the Head Coach of U.S. Air Force Academy -  NCAA Div.I.

Frank Serratore would come read my 8 year old a bed time story if I paid him to.  What is your point? If a kid isn't good enough to get to the at least the NAHL or BCHL he most likely ain't getting near college hockey. Especially D1. The art gallery/thrift store comparison was in reference to the NAHL/BCHL compared to the WSHL, not AAA compared to AA.


California players rostered in tier2 or above juniors according to rubber magazine:


Major Junior (CHL) 14
USHL 14 (US TIER 1)


NAHL 21 (US TIER 2)
AJHL 4 (CANADA TIER 2)
BCHL 16 (CANADA TIER 2)
MANITOBA JHL 1 (TIER 2)
MARITIME JHL 1 (TIER 2)
ONTARIO JHL 2 (TIER 2)
SASKATCHEWAN JHL 7 (TIER 2)


That's 80 kids playing at levels above the wshl.  How many kids in those leagues will get looked at by college scouts (or pro for the chl) before they look at a kid in the WSHL? If the math is bad to make tier 2 or above from AAA then it is far worse to make it to the NCAA from the WSHL. 


There are about 115 16U AAA players in California, according to CAHA stats(in previous years there were more but the 15u's have been broken out into a different division).  Juniors are basically 4 birthyears worth of kids (really mostly 3 but I will give you the benefit of the doubt).  So 115 16u's times the last 4 years is a pool of 460 players . 80 out of 460 is 17.3%.  Massively higher odds than 3%. Still not a sure thing but not a pipe dream either. When you take into account that the Junior leagues have very few 16 yr olds the odds get better.  That would give you a pool of 345 kids.  80 out of 345 is 23.1%. That's almost a quarter of AAA 16u players. Let's assume the number is in the middle at 20%. That's 1 in 5 AAA kids that move through the AAA bottleneck to juniors and have a solid chance of playing NCAA (or choose Major Junior instead of the college route).  Also there are probably at least a dozen kids already playing college that are still young enough to play juniors.

[Puck Yeah]

Hence the old saying figures lie and liars figure.


That is not aimed at you B.O. but there are a lot more factors involved that pure percentages.  In reality stats for any given year mean nothing regarding current and future years.  Kinda like investing.


"past results is not a reliable indicator of future performance"

[#4BobbyOrr]

Hence the old saying figures lie and liars figure.


That is not aimed at you B.O. but there are a lot more factors involved that pure percentages.  In reality stats for any given year mean nothing regarding current and future years.  Kinda like investing.


"past results is not a reliable indicator of future performance"

that's very true the 2002 birthyear is proof of that but it doesn't change what leagues good players are more likely to get scouted in