Pee Wee AA 2018-19

[Go Kings_26]

Isn't that last reference 2013?  Does that still apply?  Isn't there something a bit more recent?

[keepdrinkinthekoolaid]

Isn't that last reference 2013?  Does that still apply?  Isn't there something a bit more recent?

First link was to be a USA Hockey Model Association
Second link (the "rookie, 1st post")  was USA Hockey Rulebook


You are correct.
2017 - 2021 USA Hockey Rulebook link (found on USA Hockey webpage)
https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/0042/4244/Rulebook_2017-21_FINAL.pdf

[lcadad]

Last year had GSE1... but PWAA had many more contenders (Bears, OCHC, Kings 1, Gulls 1, etc.).  This year seems weak after the first 3.  However, though... there are really teams with 20 players???  At PWAA???

Yes that is the new hotness.  It works best when you sign, and then 5 new players show up when practices actually start.   

[trans4761]

Last year had GSE1... but PWAA had many more contenders (Bears, OCHC, Kings 1, Gulls 1, etc.).  This year seems weak after the first 3.  However, though... there are really teams with 20 players???  At PWAA???

Yes that is the new hotness.  It works best when you sign, and then 5 new players show up when practices actually start.   

See Bantsm AA "Half Offs" aka oc1

[JackBender]

Last year had GSE1... but PWAA had many more contenders (Bears, OCHC, Kings 1, Gulls 1, etc.).  This year seems weak after the first 3.  However, though... there are really teams with 20 players???  At PWAA???

Yes that is the new hotness.  It works best when you sign, and then 5 new players show up when practices actually start.   

See Bantsm AA "Half Offs" aka oc1

Common at Bantam, of course... but not at PWAA "Full Price +20%" aka Kings1. 

[justanotherhockeydad]

Last year had GSE1... but PWAA had many more contenders (Bears, OCHC, Kings 1, Gulls 1, etc.).  This year seems weak after the first 3.  However, though... there are really teams with 20 players???  At PWAA???

Yes that is the new hotness.  It works best when you sign, and then 5 new players show up when practices actually start.   

See Bantsm AA "Half Offs" aka oc1

Bantam AA OC1 has 9 forwards, 6 defensemen and 2 goalies.

[Bear71]

Last year had GSE1... but PWAA had many more contenders (Bears, OCHC, Kings 1, Gulls 1, etc.).  This year seems weak after the first 3.  However, though... there are really teams with 20 players???  At PWAA???

Yes that is the new hotness.  It works best when you sign, and then 5 new players show up when practices actually start.   

See Bantsm AA "Half Offs" aka oc1

Common at Bantam, of course... but not at PWAA "Full Price +20%" aka Kings1. 

You can't shame us.  Only we can shame us.


https://youtu.be/UVgbFttx-6I

[Carl Henry]

Can’t wait to see what happens this weekend, does anyone know when they announce who made flt 1 or 2?

[keepdrinkinthekoolaid]

Can’t wait to see what happens this weekend, does anyone know when they announce who made flt 1 or 2?

As mentioned previously, last year OCHC2 had to play at least 2 extra games, in addition to Jamboree and the 3 game SCAHA Exhibition Schedule.

AND they were at the first CAHA Weekend in Vacaville, CA (10/06/17-10/08/17) playing other SoCal Flt II Teams.

Within a couple weeks?

[LetsGoRangers]

Where is Kangaroo Jack when you need him...I feel like he would offer a great perspective on this.

[Bear71]

That Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval (USA Hockey Model Association) is always the first thing I look for when I'm signing my kid up at a club.   

[JackBender]

maybe this should be a separate topic. USA Hockey promotes the Model Association tag for organizations which “fully implement programming dedicated to age-appropriate, age-specific skill development in accordance with USA Hockey's American Development Model throughout the 8-and-Under, 10-and-Under and 12-and-Under age classifications.” The application process requires an applying organization to certify that it “shall” implement a number of objective requirements at every age level. Most of the objectives are REQUIRED, while a few other at each age level are “recommended” The checklist is right here: https://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0047/5580/KM_checklist_v6.pdf  Read it yourself.

JK doesn't meet many of the requirements. Just look at their rosters, game/practice schedules and program descriptions (click on the "What is Included" links here: https://www.jrkingshockey.com/faq). Examples: ADM requires a minimum # of practice hours per week and season; most JK teams don’t get that much ice time. ADM limits number of games at squirt to 35/season, and 40/season at PeeWee; most JK teams annually exceed the max by 25-50%.  ADM requires 11-12 skaters per team at squirt, 11-14 skaters at PeeWee; most JK teams exceed those numbers. ADM requires station-based practices, with written practice plans, approved and kept by Hockey Director; JK doesn’t do it. ADM recommends at least three days off over Thanksgiving; JK requires most teams to play in their own tourney that weekend. ADM mandates “equal playing time for all players”; JK . . . well . . . .

Am I picking on the JK a little? Yeah, but only because they chose to go out of their way to represent themselves as something they are not, which cheapens the value of the Model Designation for those clubs who actually try to follow the ADM guidelines. Shameful and hypocritical.

WHAT?!?  But the Jr Kings were just added to the USA Hockey list of Model Associations?!?  Oh... you mean that's total nonsense when looking at actual facts?!? 

https://www.admkids.com/news_article/show/938314

Yeah, back to the topic at hand... allowing 20 kids on a PW roster is shameful and ridiculous. Oh, and I wonder how the USA Hockey ADM model handles pushing Squirts up an entire division to play against kids two years older than them? USA Hockey probably endorses that, right? Because that's good for the kids and the league on a whole, right? 

[ABCDE]

OC1 had 20 kids last year in PWAA.  It's not exclusive to JK.

[jvreagan]

Am I picking on the JK a little? Yeah, but only because they chose to go out of their way to represent themselves as something they are not, which cheapens the value of the Model Designation for those clubs who actually try to follow the ADM guidelines. Shameful and hypocritical.

Maybe as more associations get certified as ADM model associations either the benefits aren't there or there is not as much oversight.  I was a coach at an association when they earned the designation 5 or so years ago.  When that happened USA Hockey donated the half ice boards for us to use, and they also audited our programs for compliance.  For example it was the first year we actually kicked coaches off the bench for not having their coaching certifications up to date. 


There are also clubs that try and follow ADM that aren't designated as model associations.  And also clubs that claim to follow ADM and do nothing of sort (speaking from past experience). 


Maybe it will take a year for JK to sort it out to get fully compliant, or maybe JK don't care.  Old habits die hard...

[JackBender]

OC1 had 20 kids last year in PWAA.  It's not exclusive to JK.

Incorrect. 19. And OCHC aren't propping themselves up as a USA Hockey Model Association.