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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2019, 02:07:50 PM »
It would be interesting to see what people’s responses would be if it turns out that the team was incorrectly prosecuted.


Everyone seems to be quick to jump on the attack bandwagon without having actual facts.

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2019, 05:01:56 PM »
It will interesting to see how people react when/if parents from the Westside ($) send video out so audio to gets clean up and
 to find that the JKs were right .

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2019, 06:34:39 PM »
I do feel bad for the kids.  Lots of stupid stuff done by teens.  It is a failure of coaches and parents, but let's get this straight.  CAHA and the club do nothing here and basically nothing happens on this (how is that possible?) until a season ends and a news story is about to come out.  It appears to me in suspending the players the Jr Kings were tipped that this story was going to come out.   
And right around the time this was was happening CAHA was threatening to suspend a coach and tier team for a season if his flight 1 team didn't make a play in game that the families and the club had no clue they were going to have less than a month earlier, a game they offered to forfeit.  This ruined a trip for many at a cost of thousands, disrupted travel and basically the fielding of two teams comprised of 6 players each in two locations.  An event so pathetic and pitiful it garnered international news as the opposing Canadian team looked at them and said, "Do you need some help playing this game?"
Lastly, a distorted and corrupted system that feeds players only into the very biggest of clubs, gets called out time and again on this board and exposed in so many ways that it makes light of a lack of hockey development in this state that runs contrary to just about everywhere else.  Probably half of the kids on that AAA team are headed out of California next year. 
Wow, nice one guys, that is one seriously messed up year.  Do you think you can try to do a little bit better moving forward? 
« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 06:43:25 PM by Hockey05 »

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2019, 07:24:11 PM »
It will interesting to see how people react when/if parents from the Westside ($) send video out so audio to gets clean up and
 to find that the JKs were right .


People would indeed be shocked if the video were circulated, but in the opposite way.

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2019, 07:27:00 PM »
You don’t have to be a snowflake to take issue with minimizing fascism and anti-semitism.  And nothing destroys a team like racial, religious etc hatred.


See, this is the problem with discussing this.  It is a no win situation as there is no way for someone to prove or disprove that they are prejudice against race, religion, etc.  The guilt by association of the boys who were innocent by standards is not right.


The problems only start when folks say “I don’t condone Nazis but ...”. Just stop before the “but.”  Problem solved.

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2019, 08:19:26 PM »
Exactly

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2019, 01:54:46 PM »
Rhetorical question: 


Is anyone surprised that CAHA still hasn’t done anything, a month later?

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2019, 07:51:44 AM »
You don’t have to be a snowflake to take issue with minimizing fascism and anti-semitism.  And nothing destroys a team like racial, religious etc hatred.


See, this is the problem with discussing this.  It is a no win situation as there is no way for someone to prove or disprove that they are prejudice against race, religion, etc.  The guilt by association of the boys who were innocent by standards is not right.


The problems only start when folks say “I don’t condone Nazis but ...”. Just stop before the “but.”  Problem solved.


And when you do not do that the snowflakes all think you are one.  Again a no win situation if you want to actually discuss any thing that slightly goes against what the mass media is pushing. 

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2019, 11:53:19 AM »
You don’t have to be a snowflake to take issue with minimizing fascism and anti-semitism.  And nothing destroys a team like racial, religious etc hatred.


See, this is the problem with discussing this.  It is a no win situation as there is no way for someone to prove or disprove that they are prejudice against race, religion, etc.  The guilt by association of the boys who were innocent by standards is not right.


The problems only start when folks say “I don’t condone Nazis but ...”. Just stop before the “but.”  Problem solved.


And when you do not do that the snowflakes all think you are one.  Again a no win situation if you want to actually discuss any thing that slightly goes against what the mass media is pushing.

Part of the problem, it seems, is that every teams has "leaders" or perhaps more accurately, dominant personalities, which may reflect an implicit hierarchy on the team.   If the "leader" or "leaders" think that racism, fascism, or religious bigotry is funny or trivial, then the other kids, who may well disagree but are shy about speaking up, will get caught up in the fallout if those beliefs and behaviors go public.   It is hard for me to believe that all 15 kids share those beliefs.   But not a lot of 14 year olds have the skills, experience, or guts to speak up and say, "this is wrong and it is definitely not funny."   With the obsession with developing their hockey skills and on winning, why would the kids, their parents, or coaches find time or have an inclination to develop those other, life or civil society, skills.   Someone, somewhere in the lives of these young men needs to see that the others on the team need learn something about empowerment or speaking up for what is right.   This is a challenge since the teen years are largely about finding acceptance and getting along.  The kid who might speak up, if any, will probably be seen as an outcast on the team.   Teams and coaches probably don't value that and the more the team travels, the less likely a kid will survive as an outcast.   If coaches and parents have a responsibility, it is not knowing much about the true dynamics of the team or not wanting to know about those dynamics.   But painting each kid with the same brush is unfair.   The true nature of the team "leader/s" is unclear but suspect.  Scapegoating "snowflakes" or the media is not helpful and deflects attention from the problem of how toxic culture evolves in any group.   

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2019, 03:31:21 PM »
Saw the video yesterday, not very clear and it was not all the players....maybe punish those who did the violation(s) and those who you can actually see in the clip? 

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2019, 03:45:53 PM »
I suspect the issue that is being looked at is what happened in addition the stuff on the video.

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2019, 05:25:50 PM »
Yeah, there's definitely more to the story...clip is so short, wondering what happened before and after...

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2019, 01:18:46 PM »
Where is anyone able to view the video?


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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2019, 09:26:19 PM »
White Skates, I'm with you.  I'd like to see it myself before weighing in.  Also wondering how the reporter got onto the story in the first place?

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Re: jk suspends 3 coaches, 15 players for anti-semitic video
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2019, 12:18:18 PM »
Five weeks until tier 1 tryouts. Is this the end of it?  They kind of reference the incident in the past tense:



https://sports.yahoo.com/report-youth-hockey-team-that-made-antisemitic-remarks-ordered-to-visit-museum-of-tolerance-004653670.html