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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #255 on: November 05, 2019, 12:05:01 PM »
Just couple corrections:


NW Chargers lost in semis to Omaha team, not in final.


Clearwater beat ID 2 team, not ID1


And just FYI - ID1 and Ducks played mid-07 division called Jetspeeds. There was another division where top teams (supposedly higher level AAA) played.
ID2 and Bears played lesser division called Ribcor.
In other state tons of AAA teams more often that not can be really weighted equally vs good AA teams from CA as they do not have those franchise restrictions.


For all the rankings - as everyone does not play everyone a lot depends on the strength of local market teams and how those won/losses are weighted. Personally would not put too much credit on that.


E.g. Goldrush PWA team is ranked higher than ID2 team. I highly doubt GR is any better than ID2.


But yes, CA teams can measure sticks on the "open" market. No trophies so far, middle of the pack results but no blunder.


Thank you.  Win at the end of the year or in the elite divisions and I'll be impressed.

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #256 on: November 05, 2019, 12:17:29 PM »
Just couple corrections:


NW Chargers lost in semis to Omaha team, not in final.


Clearwater beat ID 2 team, not ID1


And just FYI - ID1 and Ducks played mid-07 division called Jetspeeds. There was another division where top teams (supposedly higher level AAA) played.
ID2 and Bears played lesser division called Ribcor.
In other state tons of AAA teams more often that not can be really weighted equally vs good AA teams from CA as they do not have those franchise restrictions.


For all the rankings - as everyone does not play everyone a lot depends on the strength of local market teams and how those won/losses are weighted. Personally would not put too much credit on that.


E.g. Goldrush PWA team is ranked higher than ID2 team. I highly doubt GR is any better than ID2.


But yes, CA teams can measure sticks on the "open" market. No trophies so far, middle of the pack results but no blunder.
RANKINGS DON'T ME SHIT !!


Rankings on MHR are based on algorithms.  That doesn't win games.  Ask the Dodgers.


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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #257 on: November 05, 2019, 12:23:11 PM »
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively.  Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES.  To think otherwise would be foolish. 


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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #258 on: November 05, 2019, 12:34:08 PM »
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively.  Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES.  To think otherwise would be foolish. 


NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz
Rankings are real.......for the real delusional. Not my first rodeo.  MANY a time has a team ranked higher all year get beaten by a much lower ranked team.  Especially when tournaments are played back east.
Rankings are more for the erectially (?) challenged to feel like their tighty whities are more filled .....lotta room in there !!

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #259 on: November 05, 2019, 05:54:39 PM »
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively.  Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES.  To think otherwise would be foolish. 


NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz


Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but in AA the MHR rankings are not an accurate reflection of standings because scores are reported too inconsistently (garbage in = garbage out) and they do not have much predictive value (too many teams and too few points of comparison).  I have often seen bottom-dwelling AA teams rank higher than top AA teams because one reports results and the other doesn't  In AAA they are a better reflection of actual "rankings" (because data reporting is better) [size=78%]but only according to one particular algorithm which the best-run clubs are adept at [/size]gaming[size=78%].  Even there [/size][size=78%]the predictive value is poor outside of the top 5 or 10 teams, although the results do give you a decent general sense of which quartile or quintile a team is in with respect to competitiveness.  It's not unusual for top California AA teams to be competitive with bottom half AAA teams nationally.[/size]

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #260 on: November 05, 2019, 06:24:45 PM »
Ok... here are the AA games this weekend. For entertainment purposes, go ahead and predict winning team and goal differential for each game. After the weekend concludes, we can then check against MHR to see if you did better than their rankings predict. This will be fun... everyone feel free to participate.

11/08/19
              3:00p     12033    Jr. Ducks(1)                         Jr. Flyers                              Lakewood
11/08/19              4:00p     12034    Mariners                              OC Hockey                          Lakewood
11/08/19              4:40p     12035    Jr. Reign(1)                         Jr. Kings(2)                          Lakewood
11/08/19              5:40p     12036    Jr. Sharks(1)                       Goldrush(1)                        Lakewood
11/08/19              6:20p     12037    Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Eagles(1)                              Lakewood
11/08/19              8:00p     12038    Eagles(2)                              Goldrush(2)                        Lakewood
11/09/19              7:30a     12039    Mariners                              Jr. Reign(1)                         Lakewood
11/09/19              7:45a     12040    Jr. Flyers                              Heat                                      Lakewood
11/09/19              9:10a     12041    Goldrush(1)                        Eagles(1)                              Lakewood
11/09/19              9:25a     12042    Eagles(2)                              Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Lakewood
11/09/19              10:50a   12043    Goldrush(2)                        Jr. Sharks(1)                       Lakewood
11/09/19              11:05a   12044    Jr. Kings(1)                          Bears                                     Lakewood
11/09/19              12:45p   12045    Jr. Ice Dogs(2)                    Jr. Ducks(1)                         Lakewood
11/09/19              2:10p     12046    Mariners                              Jr. Gulls(1)                           Lakewood
11/09/19              3:50p     12047    Jr. Sharks(1)                       Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Lakewood
11/09/19              4:05p     12048    Eagles(2)                              Goldrush(1)                        Lakewood
11/09/19              5:50p     12049    Bears                                     Jr. Kings(2)                          Lakewood
11/09/19              7:10p     12050    Eagles(1)                              Goldrush(2)                        Lakewood
11/09/19              7:25p     12051    OC Hockey                          Heat                                      Lakewood
11/10/19              7:00a     12052    Jr. Gulls(1)                           Jr. Ducks(1)                         Lakewood
11/10/19              8:40a     12053    Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Jr. Flyers                              Lakewood
11/10/19              8:40a     12054    Bears                                     Jr. Ice Dogs(2)                    Lakewood
11/10/19              10:20a   12056    Eagles(2)                              Jr. Kings(1)                          Lakewood
11/10/19              10:20a   12055    Jr. Reign(1)                         Jr. Sharks(1)                       Lakewood
11/10/19              12:00p   12057    Eagles(1)                              Jr. Kings(2)                          Lakewood
11/10/19              12:00p   12058    Goldrush(1)                        Goldrush(2)                        Lakewood
11/10/19              3:20p     12059    Jr. Gulls(1)                           Jr. Ice Dogs(2)                    Lakewood
11/10/19              3:20p     12060    Bears                                     Jr. Ducks(1)                         Lakewood
11/10/19              5:00p     12062    OC Hockey                          Jr. Reign(1)                         Lakewood
« Last Edit: November 05, 2019, 06:25:58 PM by JustAnotherHockeyParent »

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #261 on: November 06, 2019, 07:33:50 AM »
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively.  Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES.  To think otherwise would be foolish. 


NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz


Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but in AA the MHR rankings are not an accurate reflection of standings because scores are reported too inconsistently (garbage in = garbage out) and they do not have much predictive value (too many teams and too few points of comparison).  I have often seen bottom-dwelling AA teams rank higher than top AA teams because one reports results and the other doesn't  In AAA they are a better reflection of actual "rankings" (because data reporting is better) [size=78%]but only according to one particular algorithm which the best-run clubs are adept at [/size]gaming[size=78%].  Even there [/size][size=78%]the predictive value is poor outside of the top 5 or 10 teams, although the results do give you a decent general sense of which quartile or quintile a team is in with respect to competitiveness.  It's not unusual for top California AA teams to be competitive with bottom half AAA teams nationally.[/size]


The ranking on MHR are uploaded by fact-checking individuals.  The scores must be reported from a legitimate source aka league/team site.  If you see a mistake, there is a link to submit information to fix the score.  The person responsible for the team/league then can fact-check it and fix it.  It works and works within 2-3 days.  I have submitted fixes and schedule scores with 100% success and satisfaction.  So, please, don't spread lies and misinformation about MHR and its system.


Do all teams have a representative/volunteer to submit EVERY score from every game?  No.  If you do not like it, be the person who clicks the link to submit proof of scores from a team/league website for teams without a full results schedule on MHR.  It is literally that easy. 


You all want the rankings to be exact and a perfect predictor for who is better than whom?  That is moronic.  Every sport at every level in the sporting world has some sort of "Power Rankings."  Show me the one rankings system that is 1,000% a perfect and exact predictor or show me one that has never EVER had a team(s) grossly undervalued, and I will show you pigs flying over winged unicorns while Atreyu dances with David Bowie singing "Oh! You Pretty Things."  ( It's all a FANTASY!)   


Ranking are for fun, but if you want to bash 'em b/c your kids team should be ranked 50 spots higher out of 1,400+ possible teams, I submit you watch old clips of "Daily Affirmations With Stuart Smalley" because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, you're just a hockey parent. 

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #262 on: November 06, 2019, 09:28:32 AM »

I'll take a challenge, here you go[/font]

11/08/19
[/font]              3:00p     12033    Jr. Ducks(1)                         Jr. Flyers                              Lakewood         7-211/08/19              4:00p     12034    Mariners                              OC Hockey                          Lakewood           3-211/08/19              4:40p     12035    Jr. Reign(1)                         Jr. Kings(2)                          Lakewood          5-1  11/08/19              5:40p     12036    Jr. Sharks(1)                       Goldrush(1)                        Lakewood            2-311/08/19              6:20p     12037    Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Eagles(1)                              Lakewood          3-211/08/19              8:00p     12038    Eagles(2)                              Goldrush(2)                        Lakewood          4-111/09/19              7:30a     12039    Mariners                              Jr. Reign(1)                         Lakewood           1-411/09/19              7:45a     12040    Jr. Flyers                              Heat                                      Lakewood        5-4 11/09/19              9:10a     12041    Goldrush(1)                        Eagles(1)                              Lakewood           0-5 11/09/19              9:25a     12042    Eagles(2)                              Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Lakewood           4-211/09/19              10:50a   12043    Goldrush(2)                        Jr. Sharks(1)                       Lakewood             5-111/09/19              11:05a   12044    Jr. Kings(1)                          Bears                                     Lakewood        4-2  11/09/19              12:45p   12045    Jr. Ice Dogs(2)                    Jr. Ducks(1)                         Lakewood            1-711/09/19              2:10p     12046    Mariners                              Jr. Gulls(1)                           Lakewood           1-511/09/19              3:50p     12047    Jr. Sharks(1)                       Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Lakewood             0-5      11/09/19              4:05p     12048    Eagles(2)                              Goldrush(1)                        Lakewood           7-0 11/09/19              5:50p     12049    Bears                                     Jr. Kings(2)                          Lakewood        5-011/09/19              7:10p     12050    Eagles(1)                              Goldrush(2)                        Lakewood           5-211/09/19              7:25p     12051    OC Hockey                          Heat                                      Lakewood          1-611/10/19              7:00a     12052    Jr. Gulls(1)                           Jr. Ducks(1)                         Lakewood           1-511/10/19              8:40a     12053    Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Jr. Flyers                              Lakewood            5-311/10/19              8:40a     12054    Bears                                     Jr. Ice Dogs(2)                    Lakewood          4-211/10/19              10:20a   12056    Eagles(2)                              Jr. Kings(1)                          Lakewood          4-211/10/19              10:20a   12055    Jr. Reign(1)                         Jr. Sharks(1)                       Lakewood              5-311/10/19              12:00p   12057    Eagles(1)                              Jr. Kings(2)                          Lakewood           5-011/10/19              12:00p   12058    Goldrush(1)                        Goldrush(2)                        Lakewood               1-411/10/19              3:20p     12059    Jr. Gulls(1)                           Jr. Ice Dogs(2)                    Lakewood             2-311/10/19              3:20p     12060    Bears                                     Jr. Ducks(1)                         Lakewood          2-511/10/19              5:00p     12062    OC Hockey                          Jr. Reign(1)                         Lakewood               2-4

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #263 on: November 06, 2019, 10:03:04 AM »
Epstien didn’t kill himself  Epstien didn’t kill himself  Epstien didn’t kill himself  Epstien didn’t kill himself
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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #264 on: November 06, 2019, 10:08:56 AM »
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively.  Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES.  To think otherwise would be foolish. 


NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz


Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but in AA the MHR rankings are not an accurate reflection of standings because scores are reported too inconsistently (garbage in = garbage out) and they do not have much predictive value (too many teams and too few points of comparison).  I have often seen bottom-dwelling AA teams rank higher than top AA teams because one reports results and the other doesn't  In AAA they are a better reflection of actual "rankings" (because data reporting is better) [size=78%]but only according to one particular algorithm which the best-run clubs are adept at [/size]gaming[size=78%].  Even there [/size][size=78%]the predictive value is poor outside of the top 5 or 10 teams, although the results do give you a decent general sense of which quartile or quintile a team is in with respect to competitiveness.  It's not unusual for top California AA teams to be competitive with bottom half AAA teams nationally.[/size]


The ranking on MHR are uploaded by fact-checking individuals.  The scores must be reported from a legitimate source aka league/team site.  If you see a mistake, there is a link to submit information to fix the score.  The person responsible for the team/league then can fact-check it and fix it.  It works and works within 2-3 days.  I have submitted fixes and schedule scores with 100% success and satisfaction.  So, please, don't spread lies and misinformation about MHR and its system.


Do all teams have a representative/volunteer to submit EVERY score from every game?  No.  If you do not like it, be the person who clicks the link to submit proof of scores from a team/league website for teams without a full results schedule on MHR.  It is literally that easy. 


You all want the rankings to be exact and a perfect predictor for who is better than whom?  That is moronic.  Every sport at every level in the sporting world has some sort of "Power Rankings."  Show me the one rankings system that is 1,000% a perfect and exact predictor or show me one that has never EVER had a team(s) grossly undervalued, and I will show you pigs flying over winged unicorns while Atreyu dances with David Bowie singing "Oh! You Pretty Things."  ( It's all a FANTASY!)   


Ranking are for fun, but if you want to bash 'em b/c your kids team should be ranked 50 spots higher out of 1,400+ possible teams, I submit you watch old clips of "Daily Affirmations With Stuart Smalley" because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, you're just a hockey parent. 


Please read the posts to which you are responding before making yourself look like to total tool.  I wasn't "bashing" the MHR rankings, just describing what they do and don't do. 


But thank you for agreeing with me that they aren't reliable or highly predictive, I guess.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2019, 10:10:22 AM by Strawman »

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #265 on: November 06, 2019, 10:16:54 AM »
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively.  Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES.  To think otherwise would be foolish. 


NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz


Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but in AA the MHR rankings are not an accurate reflection of standings because scores are reported too inconsistently (garbage in = garbage out) and they do not have much predictive value (too many teams and too few points of comparison).  I have often seen bottom-dwelling AA teams rank higher than top AA teams because one reports results and the other doesn't  In AAA they are a better reflection of actual "rankings" (because data reporting is better) [size=78%]but only according to one particular algorithm which the best-run clubs are adept at [/size]gaming[size=78%].  Even there [/size][size=78%]the predictive value is poor outside of the top 5 or 10 teams, although the results do give you a decent general sense of which quartile or quintile a team is in with respect to competitiveness.  It's not unusual for top California AA teams to be competitive with bottom half AAA teams nationally.[/size]


The ranking on MHR are uploaded by fact-checking individuals.  The scores must be reported from a legitimate source aka league/team site.  If you see a mistake, there is a link to submit information to fix the score.  The person responsible for the team/league then can fact-check it and fix it.  It works and works within 2-3 days.  I have submitted fixes and schedule scores with 100% success and satisfaction.  So, please, don't spread lies and misinformation about MHR and its system.


Do all teams have a representative/volunteer to submit EVERY score from every game?  No.  If you do not like it, be the person who clicks the link to submit proof of scores from a team/league website for teams without a full results schedule on MHR.  It is literally that easy. 


You all want the rankings to be exact and a perfect predictor for who is better than whom?  That is moronic.  Every sport at every level in the sporting world has some sort of "Power Rankings."  Show me the one rankings system that is 1,000% a perfect and exact predictor or show me one that has never EVER had a team(s) grossly undervalued, and I will show you pigs flying over winged unicorns while Atreyu dances with David Bowie singing "Oh! You Pretty Things."  ( It's all a FANTASY!)   


Ranking are for fun, but if you want to bash 'em b/c your kids team should be ranked 50 spots higher out of 1,400+ possible teams, I submit you watch old clips of "Daily Affirmations With Stuart Smalley" because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, you're just a hockey parent. 


Please read the posts to which you are responding before making yourself look like to total tool.  I wasn't "bashing" the MHR rankings, just describing what they do and don't do. 


But thank you for agreeing with me that they aren't reliable or highly predictive, I guess.
Lol


LOTTA ROOM IN THERE......


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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #266 on: November 06, 2019, 11:11:19 AM »
Ok we've got a CAHA weekend coming up and I wanted to make sure that everyone had their excuses ready for why their team lost.  Feel free to use just the number associated with your reason.


1) Best goal scorer had to use a back up stick because "wonderboy" was broken. 
2) Goal tender was the backup since our #1 goalie was called up to the bigs.
3) Refs called everything
4) Refs called nothing
5) Coach decided to shorten the bench at the start of the game.
6) The kid on the other team that has to shave every morning shouldn't be allowed to play.
7) Our kids were just too tired from beating the last team by ten goals.
8) MHR says we should have won by 3 goals so we wanted to score more and pulled our goalie.
9) Our team was going for the assist count record.  So passed the puck too much.
10) Our team played to much ADM cross ice when they were mites so their just not used to skating so much.


Good luck to everyone except who plays us.

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #267 on: November 06, 2019, 11:29:48 AM »
You missed a classic one used for years, “The kids had a 6 hour drive and then had to play a game.”


Good stuff! 

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #268 on: November 06, 2019, 11:55:48 AM »
You missed a classic one used for years, “The kids had a 6 hour drive and then had to play a game.”


Good stuff!


People drive to NorCal for CAHA weekends?  Not me.  That's bush league, you wanna play with the big (Tier 2) boys, then fly there like NHL-ers do when they travel.  No excuses.   

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Re: PW AA 2019-2020
« Reply #269 on: November 06, 2019, 02:27:05 PM »

OK - so this time it worked - I am taking a challenge and posting my scores

Ok... here are the AA games this weekend. For entertainment purposes, go ahead and predict winning team and goal differential for each game. After the weekend concludes, we can then check against MHR to see if you did better than their rankings predict. This will be fun... everyone feel free to participate.

11/08/19
              3:00p     12033    Jr. Ducks(1)                         Jr. Flyers                              Lakewood              5-2
11/08/19              4:00p     12034    Mariners                              OC Hockey                          Lakewood                3-2
11/08/19              4:40p     12035    Jr. Reign(1)                         Jr. Kings(2)                          Lakewood               5-2
11/08/19              5:40p     12036    Jr. Sharks(1)                       Goldrush(1)                        Lakewood                 2-4
11/08/19              6:20p     12037    Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Eagles(1)                              Lakewood               4-2
11/08/19              8:00p     12038    Eagles(2)                              Goldrush(2)                        Lakewood               5-1
11/09/19              7:30a     12039    Mariners                              Jr. Reign(1)                         Lakewood                1-4
11/09/19              7:45a     12040    Jr. Flyers                              Heat                                      Lakewood             5-4
11/09/19              9:10a     12041    Goldrush(1)                        Eagles(1)                              Lakewood                0-5
11/09/19              9:25a     12042    Eagles(2)                              Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Lakewood                4-2
11/09/19              10:50a   12043    Goldrush(2)                        Jr. Sharks(1)                       Lakewood                  4-0
11/09/19              11:05a   12044    Jr. Kings(1)                          Bears                                     Lakewood             4-2
11/09/19              12:45p   12045    Jr. Ice Dogs(2)                    Jr. Ducks(1)                         Lakewood                 1-7
11/09/19              2:10p     12046    Mariners                              Jr. Gulls(1)                           Lakewood                1-4
11/09/19              3:50p     12047    Jr. Sharks(1)                       Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Lakewood                  1-5
11/09/19              4:05p     12048    Eagles(2)                              Goldrush(1)                        Lakewood                6-0
11/09/19              5:50p     12049    Bears                                     Jr. Kings(2)                          Lakewood             6-1
11/09/19              7:10p     12050    Eagles(1)                              Goldrush(2)                        Lakewood                5-2
11/09/19              7:25p     12051    OC Hockey                          Heat                                      Lakewood               1-6
11/10/19              7:00a     12052    Jr. Gulls(1)                           Jr. Ducks(1)                         Lakewood                1-7
11/10/19              8:40a     12053    Jr. Ice Dogs(1)                    Jr. Flyers                              Lakewood                 4-3
11/10/19              8:40a     12054    Bears                                     Jr. Ice Dogs(2)                    Lakewood               4-1
11/10/19              10:20a   12056    Eagles(2)                              Jr. Kings(1)                          Lakewood                5-3
11/10/19              10:20a   12055    Jr. Reign(1)                         Jr. Sharks(1)                       Lakewood                  5-1
11/10/19              12:00p   12057    Eagles(1)                              Jr. Kings(2)                          Lakewood                5-0
11/10/19              12:00p   12058    Goldrush(1)                        Goldrush(2)                        Lakewood                    1-4
11/10/19              3:20p     12059    Jr. Gulls(1)                           Jr. Ice Dogs(2)                    Lakewood                  3-2
11/10/19              3:20p     12060    Bears                                     Jr. Ducks(1)                         Lakewood               2-5
11/10/19              5:00p     12062    OC Hockey                          Jr. Reign(1)                         Lakewood                    1-4
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