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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2020, 05:42:54 PM »
Numbers too low?  Not enough players signed up in CA?  Playing LOCALLY will NEVER develop the worlds greatest players, let alone USA?!?!?

Here is an excerpt from an article written by The Big Swede - Victor Hedman:

To a lot of people, this might seem strange. I hear stories about youth hockey in America and Canada, and kids jumping around from team to team. There’s all kinds of travel teams you have to try out for, and expensive camps, and coaches to impress.

But in Sweden, it’s more of a family atmosphere. At least when I was young. I know it has changed a bit lately. Until I was 14, there were no “tryouts.” If you’re born in O-vik, you play for MoDo or one of the other local teams. In fact, the Sedin twins and Markus Naslund played for a team called Järved, on an outdoor rink. There are different levels, but you are never cut. When people talk about Swedish hockey, they often mention the “chemistry” of the players. But really, it’s a total philosophy of community that starts when you’re young.

The rest of the article is here if you want to grow your mind... the rest will follow. 
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/victor-hedman-lightning-sweden-hockey


He's right - the N American youth hockey scene is nuts - this is the time of year in Toronto and Detroit that they start telling 8 and 9 yr old kids that they won't be invited back next year so they can have enough time to secure a spot on a new team before tryouts (because we all know that no one makes a team at tryouts).  In Toronto they're not supposed to recruit before season's end so they have "birthday skates."  The parents rent the ice for a scrimmage and they invite the potential recruits to come play under the guise of a birthday party.  The coach watches from the stands so no rules are broken.

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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2020, 08:00:33 PM »
Parents want exposure  and clubs want $$$. Need
To go to clubs Spring hockey skills, scrimmage and coaches lessons if you want a shot a team.




Here is to multi-sport athletes

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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2020, 09:48:44 AM »
Not sure I understand your point.


If you look into the history of Swedish hockey development, they turned it around right when Hedman was playing youth hockey.  What did they do?  They claim the biggest thing they did was IMPROVE COACHING.  In other words, he didn't have to follow the money and pay $$$ for supposed great coaching far, far away.  He competed in a system that gave everyone a chance...


Playing a part in that is the fact that from May through November each year, the Swedish federation invites 2,000 players ages 14-18 to one of 45 player-development camps. The federation then aims to invite 800 of the best 14-year-olds back the following year. That list is ultimately pared down to 30 by the time they are good enough to play for the Under-20 World Championship team.

Wow, 45 camps for 2,000 players?!?!   Sounds a bit more advantageous if CAHA were to adopt a similar system.  Yes, treat CA like its own country.  Provide more opportunities. 

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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2020, 12:36:46 PM »
Not sure I understand your point.


If you look into the history of Swedish hockey development, they turned it around right when Hedman was playing youth hockey.  What did they do?  They claim the biggest thing they did was IMPROVE COACHING.  In other words, he didn't have to follow the money and pay $$$ for supposed great coaching far, far away.  He competed in a system that gave everyone a chance...


Playing a part in that is the fact that from May through November each year, the Swedish federation invites 2,000 players ages 14-18 to one of 45 player-development camps. The federation then aims to invite 800 of the best 14-year-olds back the following year. That list is ultimately pared down to 30 by the time they are good enough to play for the Under-20 World Championship team.

Wow, 45 camps for 2,000 players?!?!   Sounds a bit more advantageous if CAHA were to adopt a similar system.  Yes, treat CA like its own country.  Provide more opportunities.


Hockey is also essentially free in Sweden, like healthcare. That's what enables a country of 10M people to be an international contender in the sport every year. Good luck making that work in the USA.

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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2020, 12:51:34 PM »
Not sure I understand your point.


If you look into the history of Swedish hockey development, they turned it around right when Hedman was playing youth hockey.  What did they do?  They claim the biggest thing they did was IMPROVE COACHING.  In other words, he didn't have to follow the money and pay $$$ for supposed great coaching far, far away.  He competed in a system that gave everyone a chance...


Playing a part in that is the fact that from May through November each year, the Swedish federation invites 2,000 players ages 14-18 to one of 45 player-development camps. The federation then aims to invite 800 of the best 14-year-olds back the following year. That list is ultimately pared down to 30 by the time they are good enough to play for the Under-20 World Championship team.

Wow, 45 camps for 2,000 players?!?!   Sounds a bit more advantageous if CAHA were to adopt a similar system.  Yes, treat CA like its own country.  Provide more opportunities.


Hockey is also essentially free in Sweden, like healthcare. That's what enables a country of 10M people to be an international contender in the sport every year. Good luck making that work in the USA.


It is already done....  ***The more you know....


There are almost 8,000 registered USA hockey players ages 11-18 in the state of CA.  A.K.A. people already paying to play hockey.  Looks like when you do the math, your argument becomes a non sequitur.  Thanks though. 

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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2020, 01:30:14 PM »
Not sure I understand your point.


If you look into the history of Swedish hockey development, they turned it around right when Hedman was playing youth hockey.  What did they do?  They claim the biggest thing they did was IMPROVE COACHING.  In other words, he didn't have to follow the money and pay $$$ for supposed great coaching far, far away.  He competed in a system that gave everyone a chance...


Playing a part in that is the fact that from May through November each year, the Swedish federation invites 2,000 players ages 14-18 to one of 45 player-development camps. The federation then aims to invite 800 of the best 14-year-olds back the following year. That list is ultimately pared down to 30 by the time they are good enough to play for the Under-20 World Championship team.

Wow, 45 camps for 2,000 players?!?!   Sounds a bit more advantageous if CAHA were to adopt a similar system.  Yes, treat CA like its own country.  Provide more opportunities.


Hockey is also essentially free in Sweden, like healthcare. That's what enables a country of 10M people to be an international contender in the sport every year. Good luck making that work in the USA.


It is already done....  ***The more you know....


There are almost 8,000 registered USA hockey players ages 11-18 in the state of CA.  A.K.A. people already paying to play hockey.  Looks like when you do the math, your argument becomes a non sequitur.  Thanks though.


Sorry, have you started drinking early?

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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2020, 07:48:47 AM »
What accounts for the increased number of US players being drafted?  Nothing is perfect and a Scandinavian culture and a US culture are two different animals.  I will agree that coaching is the key to better development of players, but that is true everywhere.  Great coaching builds great players no matter the system.

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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2020, 09:21:57 AM »
What accounts for the increased number of US players being drafted?  Nothing is perfect and a Scandinavian culture and a US culture are two different animals.  I will agree that coaching is the key to better development of players, but that is true everywhere.  Great coaching builds great players no matter the system.


There can only be one culture.  That's hockey culture. 

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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2020, 10:40:59 AM »

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Re: PeeWee AAA 09
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2020, 11:17:11 AM »