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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2020, 11:11:44 AM »
So does the CAHA statement on pushing tryouts mean that AAA teams can form prior to the official tryouts for the purpose of going to out of state tournaments?



They can start to form teams as of tomorrow. For T1EHL, the first tournament is in October, and is optional, so it is after tryouts. My guess is most of the teams skip the October tournament. The next is November. Not sure if they could do 'other' tournaments. I doubt it, but it's a good question. They would have to be out of state too.




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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2020, 11:44:00 AM »
So does the CAHA statement on pushing tryouts mean that AAA teams can form prior to the official tryouts for the purpose of going to out of state tournaments?


Nope! CAHA will not be approving out of state tournaments!  This will be so you no longer have the flexibility to skate here or there.  Now you can be locked into paying off-season dues and getting that structure we're all missing.  Nothing more.  We'll all be training until at least January. 


These signings are nothing more than a carrot on the end of a stick and we're all the donkeys aimlessly walking and trying to bite onto something we'll never get to eat this year. 


On the brightside, the 21'-22' season will be here before you know it.  Sorry for the pessimistic, depressing, sad, yet very truthful reality of this upcoming season.  Save your money, train with the coach of your choosing and find a group of old hockey friends and scrimmage somewhere that'll allow you until there is some real clarity.   

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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2020, 11:50:13 AM »
The AAA teams play more than just T1EHL tournaments, T1EHL is only part of their schedule.  Most of the western AAA teams (including California teams) had planned on going to the following tournaments in September:


Omaha USHL
USHL Fall Classic -- Pittsburgh


Allowing AAA teams to roster players tomorrow (unlike AA), and specifically referencing that AAA teams play most of their games out of state, only makes sense if it's for the purpose of practicing in August and playing out of state tournaments prior to October 1 tryouts.


Does anyone have a different take on this?  The CAHA announcement is not a model of clarity (I know, shocker).  What are the AAA teams telling you the CAHA announcement means and are any starting practicing and going to out of state tournaments in September?

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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2020, 01:16:00 PM »
Any U15/U16 (2005 & 2004) looking for a place to play, with clarity and solid plans to weather any national, state or league governing body shutdowns or pushouts, please contact me.

This is for players that were planning to play AAA in CA or east coast Prep

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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2020, 02:21:45 PM »
The AAA teams play more than just T1EHL tournaments, T1EHL is only part of their schedule.  Most of the western AAA teams (including California teams) had planned on going to the following tournaments in September:


Omaha USHL
USHL Fall Classic -- Pittsburgh


Allowing AAA teams to roster players tomorrow (unlike AA), and specifically referencing that AAA teams play most of their games out of state, only makes sense if it's for the purpose of practicing in August and playing out of state tournaments prior to October 1 tryouts.


Does anyone have a different take on this?  The CAHA announcement is not a model of clarity (I know, shocker).  What are the AAA teams telling you the CAHA announcement means and are any starting practicing and going to out of state tournaments in September?



I'm guessing you are correct.  The thing that is in doubt are probably the in-California 'extra' tournaments. The Sharks usually have a few teams in town in September (won't happen), and over Christmas.


The Jr Sharks are having a web meeting with players on Sunday to discuss. I'm sure we'll know more by then.




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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2020, 03:10:57 PM »
But, say, AA teams can still play out of town tournaments,
Just not using official club names - as they normally do before tryouts.
Anything prevent them to do that?
If like somebody days there is no season in 2020 that
might be the only option to have competitive games






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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2020, 03:29:22 PM »
But, say, AA teams can still play out of town tournaments,
Just not using official club names - as they normally do before tryouts.
Anything prevent them to do that?
If like somebody days there is no season in 2020 that
might be the only option to have competitive games


You definitely need a USAHockey roster for any USAHockey sanctioned tournament. Our affiliate is CAHA, so I believe that to register a roster it means it has to go through CAHA. Since CAHA is not allowing formation of AA teams before tryouts I'm guessing that means AA teams have to wait until mid October.  But I could be wrong.

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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2020, 03:31:50 PM »
https://www.andover.edu/2020plan




They aren’t planning on fully opening to start year.  The ISL and the 8 school association which Philips is in has cancelled Fall sports.
There is no guarantee it’s any better there. Rinks open as much as they are.
We rolled back and so could they.

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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2020, 07:08:19 PM »
But how then teams have been participating in off-season tournaments?
I heard ID just returned from Chicago CCM (they did play under some weird name) and prior to COVID in every off-season (pre-tryouts) teams were going to tournaments.
So I guess - there's a way to do it. 

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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #84 on: July 23, 2020, 10:03:13 PM »
So does the CAHA statement on pushing tryouts mean that AAA teams can form prior to the official tryouts for the purpose of going to out of state tournaments?


Nope! CAHA will not be approving out of state tournaments!  This will be so you no longer have the flexibility to skate here or there.  Now you can be locked into paying off-season dues and getting that structure we're all missing.  Nothing more.  We'll all be training until at least January. 


These signings are nothing more than a carrot on the end of a stick and we're all the donkeys aimlessly walking and trying to bite onto something we'll never get to eat this year. 


On the brightside, the 21'-22' season will be here before you know it.  Sorry for the pessimistic, depressing, sad, yet very truthful reality of this upcoming season.  Save your money, train with the coach of your choosing and find a group of old hockey friends and scrimmage somewhere that'll allow you until there is some real clarity.


You are 100% WRONG. Starting Friday, AAA teams can roster per CAHA and USA Hockey rules.  Read the actual statement.  That is the point, to allow AAA teams to travel and play out-of-state tournaments.  And I quote...


"For Tier 1 only (due to the fact that Tier 1 teams play a majority of the season's games outside of CAHA League play), starting Friday, July 24, 2020, CAHA approved Tier 1 teams may roster players without a physical on-ice tryout."


Crystal clear.  A few AA coaches have been trying to subvert this CAHA declaration to protect their AA kids who might bolt for AAA... but they are lying.  CAHA is allowing AAA teams to form so they can play out-of-state USA Hockey-sanctioned tournaments. Chicago CCM was last weekend.  The Prep Cup is this weekend. They are happening.
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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2020, 11:32:33 PM »
The AAA teams play more than just T1EHL tournaments, T1EHL is only part of their schedule.  Most of the western AAA teams (including California teams) had planned on going to the following tournaments in September:


Omaha USHL
USHL Fall Classic -- Pittsburgh


Allowing AAA teams to roster players tomorrow (unlike AA), and specifically referencing that AAA teams play most of their games out of state, only makes sense if it's for the purpose of practicing in August and playing out of state tournaments prior to October 1 tryouts.


Does anyone have a different take on this?  The CAHA announcement is not a model of clarity (I know, shocker).  What are the AAA teams telling you the CAHA announcement means and are any starting practicing and going to out of state tournaments in September?

This is not happening.  According to several AAA coaches with whom I've spoken, California AAA "teams" will not be allowed to compete in USA Hockey sanctioned events out of state until California enters "Phase 4" re-opening ... which might possibly happen sometime in 2027 if we are very lucky.  Of course everything could change at a moment's notice.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 11:42:34 PM by Strawman »

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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2020, 11:37:43 PM »
But, say, AA teams can still play out of town tournaments,
Just not using official club names - as they normally do before tryouts.
Anything prevent them to do that?
If like somebody days there is no season in 2020 that
might be the only option to have competitive games


Not happening, unless perhaps you're an "independent" team going to a non-USA-Hockey-sanctioned tournament.  This year it's PeeWee skills drills at home.  A bit of clandestine soccer if you're lucky.

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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2020, 11:39:35 PM »
https://www.andover.edu/2020plan




They aren’t planning on fully opening to start year.  The ISL and the 8 school association which Philips is in has cancelled Fall sports.
There is no guarantee it’s any better there. Rinks open as much as they are.
We rolled back and so could they.


It varies state by state in the NE.  Some are completely open, with in-person schooling and sports, and hockey tournaments underway right now.  Some are closed.  It depends, but if you're in the right spot there will certainly be a lot more options in the NE than here (also in the South, Midwest, and Mountain states).
« Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 11:43:37 PM by Strawman »

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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #88 on: July 24, 2020, 07:44:43 AM »
Thank you anonymous Internet person on random message board but...


You're trying to predict the future, and the current facts suggest otherwise: AAA teams are forming this weekend or the next around the entire country (if they haven't formed already) to start practicing as teams, the Prep Cup in New Hampshire is happening this weekend, as is the USHL Combine in Green Bay, Wisconsin... and CAHA's official release specifically allows teams to form for the purpose to attend out-of-state tournaments


So, yes, this could be a giant conspiracy by USA Hockey and CAHA and every other sanctioned state hockey body to lock up their players now... so they can shut everything down in September, but the truth likely lies somewhere in-between. This season will certainly be odd and frustrating and different... but things will happen. Teams will find a way.  And the rinks, coaches, clubs and USA Hockey will get their money.


To quote Fist's favorite movie ever, Jurassic Park: "Life will find a way." Or in this case... hockey. 
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Re: Tryouts are pushed agaoin
« Reply #89 on: July 24, 2020, 11:53:54 AM »
Thank you anonymous Internet person on random message board but...


You're trying to predict the future, and the current facts suggest otherwise: AAA teams are forming this weekend or the next around the entire country (if they haven't formed already) to start practicing as teams, the Prep Cup in New Hampshire is happening this weekend, as is the USHL Combine in Green Bay, Wisconsin... and CAHA's official release specifically allows teams to form for the purpose to attend out-of-state tournaments


So, yes, this could be a giant conspiracy by USA Hockey and CAHA and every other sanctioned state hockey body to lock up their players now... so they can shut everything down in September, but the truth likely lies somewhere in-between. This season will certainly be odd and frustrating and different... but things will happen. Teams will find a way.  And the rinks, coaches, clubs and USA Hockey will get their money.


To quote Fist's favorite movie ever, Jurassic Park: "Life will find a way." Or in this case... hockey.


Are the kids really locked up?  Sounds like they can drop at any time and actually can't sign a commitment or pay money. Also defining "skating with another club" is hazy at best.  Most skates are with "coaches" so probably don't fall under that.