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Re: PeeWee AA 21-22
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2021, 12:34:36 PM »

As for teams like the 09's Ducks and 09' Kings that are top teams in the country, their top rivals in the country and top 10 teams will continue to see through their loss of an A and will continue to play them whenever they want.  Top teams know each other and they find each other regardless of a stupid technicality like this. 

I don't know the right answer to this so correct me if I'm wrong but I thought T1E doesn't start until 2nd year Bantam, when you can play for a national title. Yes, no?


The official divisions of T1E start at Bantam, but they have Youth showcase divisions that go down to Squirt now. 


As for "top teams" playing each other, well yes and no.  They need a platform to play.  Many of the top teams play in 2-4 leagues already, and have commitments to play those league games, leaving little to no room for "independent games".  Schools like Shattuck that have an independent schedule will reach out to teams willing to travel to them to play, but that is the exception.


If you look at 'AA' teams that were really quasi 'AAA' teams, and saw where they played AAA teams, it was almost always in tournaments.  A lot of the time, the "top" AAA teams who aren't otherwise already playing each other in a league, play each other in showcase weekends.  Now assuming that you have 3 of the best teams from the East coast playing a showcase weekend in Pittsburgh or Boston area, your LA 'AA' team is going to have to fly and stay in a hotel to get in those 3 games.  You do 2 or 3 of these weekends, and now explain to me the major cost savings and difference between what you had before? [size=78%]  [/size]

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Re: PeeWee AA 21-22
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2021, 12:38:27 PM »
this is the way things were until about 10 years ago. there was no minor-year aaa; the best minor birth-year teams played in aa. iirc, in 2012, the first full-roster minor-year birth teams started playing in aaa, but they had to compete in the same division as the major birth-year kids. that didn't work so good, so around 2015 caha introduced 11aaa, 13aaa and 15aaa. going back to having the best minor-year kids playing in aa is not a big deal, imo.


The best minor year kids won't be playing there, they will be playing up on major year teams.  As for birth year teams, like many things that have changed, regardless of when they changed, it is the new norm.  The youth hockey playing world now has myhockeyrankings and eliteprospects. California might think it can go back to the way things were in the past, but the rest of the country is not going to follow them.

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Re: PeeWee AA 21-22
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2021, 01:15:01 PM »
no tournament will care how many "A's" are on your team name, they will care about your team's rating on myhockeyrankings.

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Re: PeeWee AA 21-22
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2021, 03:59:43 PM »

As for teams like the 09's Ducks and 09' Kings that are top teams in the country, their top rivals in the country and top 10 teams will continue to see through their loss of an A and will continue to play them whenever they want.  Top teams know each other and they find each other regardless of a stupid technicality like this. 

I don't know the right answer to this so correct me if I'm wrong but I thought T1E doesn't start until 2nd year Bantam, when you can play for a national title. Yes, no?


The official divisions of T1E start at Bantam, but they have Youth showcase divisions that go down to Squirt now. 


As for "top teams" playing each other, well yes and no.  They need a platform to play.  Many of the top teams play in 2-4 leagues already, and have commitments to play those league games, leaving little to no room for "independent games".  Schools like Shattuck that have an independent schedule will reach out to teams willing to travel to them to play, but that is the exception.


If you look at 'AA' teams that were really quasi 'AAA' teams, and saw where they played AAA teams, it was almost always in tournaments.  A lot of the time, the "top" AAA teams who aren't otherwise already playing each other in a league, play each other in showcase weekends.  Now assuming that you have 3 of the best teams from the East coast playing a showcase weekend in Pittsburgh or Boston area, your LA 'AA' team is going to have to fly and stay in a hotel to get in those 3 games.  You do 2 or 3 of these weekends, and now explain to me the major cost savings and difference between what you had before? [size=78%]  [/size]


There will be no cost savings!  Actually quite the opposite.  We'll all be forced to throw more money at CAHA and then add those extra fly away events. 


The shift is strategy is beginning.  CA hockey has become quite good at the top.  Future goals will be to stop these high end talent players from leaving the state.  I mean, it seems like half of Shattuck's are CA boys.  Optimum, Fairmont, whatever KHS calls their school and I'm sure the kings will follow suit soon too.  Everyone at the top is just going to continue to try to keep the money in house.  Starting with Mites that aren't allowed to travel out of state.   If that still is the rule post covid?  Not sure.     


I do agree with BobbyOrr though.  Those AAA Superseries teams will still take a CA AA team full well knowing they are really a AAA team as long as they stay birthyear. 

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Re: PeeWee AA 21-22
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2021, 03:56:28 PM »

As for teams like the 09's Ducks and 09' Kings that are top teams in the country, their top rivals in the country and top 10 teams will continue to see through their loss of an A and will continue to play them whenever they want.  Top teams know each other and they find each other regardless of a stupid technicality like this. 

I don't know the right answer to this so correct me if I'm wrong but I thought T1E doesn't start until 2nd year Bantam, when you can play for a national title. Yes, no?


The official divisions of T1E start at Bantam, but they have Youth showcase divisions that go down to Squirt now. 


As for "top teams" playing each other, well yes and no.  They need a platform to play.  Many of the top teams play in 2-4 leagues already, and have commitments to play those league games, leaving little to no room for "independent games".  Schools like Shattuck that have an independent schedule will reach out to teams willing to travel to them to play, but that is the exception.


If you look at 'AA' teams that were really quasi 'AAA' teams, and saw where they played AAA teams, it was almost always in tournaments.  A lot of the time, the "top" AAA teams who aren't otherwise already playing each other in a league, play each other in showcase weekends.  Now assuming that you have 3 of the best teams from the East coast playing a showcase weekend in Pittsburgh or Boston area, your LA 'AA' team is going to have to fly and stay in a hotel to get in those 3 games.  You do 2 or 3 of these weekends, and now explain to me the major cost savings and difference between what you had before? [size=78%]  [/size]




I'd love to see the '09 Ducks and '09 Kings Tier 1 club teams to come up and play a handful of the 300+ Association PeeWee teams here in Minnesota at our A, B1, B2, C1 and C2 levels just to see how they'd make out.  It might change perspectives for some on true 'elite' status and how you'd might want to view the myhockeyrankings and youthhockeyhub ranking platforms. 


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Re: PeeWee AA 21-22
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2022, 10:54:42 PM »
i'd like to see MN hockey go on the same calendar birthyear as the rest of the country so you could compare apples and apples. if the 09's went to MN to play the best teams, those MN teams would be made up of  predominantly 08's because of their different age classifications. The california birthyear teams do just fine against the mn spring teams, except maybe the MN fire which is a statewide all star team.

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Re: PeeWee AA 21-22
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2022, 01:04:42 PM »
i'd like to see MN hockey go on the same calendar birthyear as the rest of the country so you could compare apples and apples. if the 09's went to MN to play the best teams, those MN teams would be made up of  predominantly 08's because of their different age classifications. The california birthyear teams do just fine against the mn spring teams, except maybe the MN fire which is a statewide all star team.


Yeah....there's that too and you beat me to it. CA is not MN, patches of ice are easier to come by than outdoor basketball courts in CA.  But we're doing things better her than most states with very limited numbers in comparison to places like MN.  Take the 06' birthyear, 16 of the top 40 WHL draft picks were CA boys.  As for MN most prestigious prep school, it's filled with CA boys.  Weird but reality.

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Re: PeeWee AA 21-22
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2022, 07:58:07 AM »
i'd like to see MN hockey go on the same calendar birthyear as the rest of the country so you could compare apples and apples. if the 09's went to MN to play the best teams, those MN teams would be made up of  predominantly 08's because of their different age classifications. The california birthyear teams do just fine against the mn spring teams, except maybe the MN fire which is a statewide all star team.


BobbyOrr and Hockey99, thanks for your replies.  It's -15 today so a little SoCal sun would be nice up here.  Couple things, my post was merely suggesting that parents/players chasing, $pending and playing for extra A's is a waste of time at pee wee level.  IMO, suggesting JRK and JRD 09s come up and play Association A,B1,B2,C1,C2 teams should open eyes on reality.  As for apples to apples - these MN peewee teams above are definitely not predominately made up of '08 players, they just aren't.  There 'may' be 1-3 '08s (July-Dec birthdates only) but! certainly less than the # of 2010's on a peewee roster, so it's clearly a wash here if we're merely focusing on birth year. These teams are predominately made up of '09s.  Why? The top end MN '08s are either playing AA & some even rostered as 8th graders onto HS teams.  As for CA birth year teams that do just fine up here against MN Spring teams, none are regular season SCAHA/CAHA club teams out of CA (that I have seen) since we moved up here from SoCal.  If you're referring to Western Selects, LA Pros, and/or RAD Spring Select teams, they do hang. ... however, correct me if I'm wrong, none of these Spring teams actually have pure CA players on their rosters and definitely pull from a wide geographical area?
It is great to see CA kids also making headway up in WHL which is pretty normal over the years considering the WHL combines and focus on the West Coast.  There are drawbacks with WHL and school eligibility issues unlike other Junior leagues.  And yes, there is certainly a ton of focus on SSM for the elite/wealthy players.  Some families pay full fare $55K++ however to offset the full rides that some local stud players benefit from.  At the end of the day, there are many high level prep school programs - Gentry, Northstar Christian Academy, St.Thomas Academy that fly under the radar out West.... but IMO good old fashioned public and private high schools prepare players just a well at a mere fraction of SSM cost.  The # of D1 commits on any given Friday night tilt is pretty remarkable. *Lastly, MN Fire was an '07 team that absorbed into the MN Blades Spring team and they only played one tourney a year ... they are no longer around.  Lastly, when USA Hockey was AHAUS years ago, Minnesota made it clear the focus was on community based hockey - not a pay to play model (with rinks and clubs) you see all around the US. I've heard an hour of ice at Great Park has blossomed to over $600+ an hour?? That's pretty steep.  Lastly, myhockeyrankings and hockeyhub rankings can be a good benchmark...but at the end of the day, kids still gotta play regardless if you're ranked #1 or your ranked #50.  Make it a great day!