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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #105 on: September 20, 2016, 10:39:33 AM »
Declarations page on SCAHA website currently  shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...


Also still shows them listed as AA as well... LOL! i guess it's all in process?
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SCAHA site shows 24 teams in PWA for regular season.


Looks like it's official... Gulls#2, Wildcats and SDIA have moved down to PeeWee A.
GULLS. Going down is a good move. They are mostly 05s and small,  but they have a goalie that will keep them in games.  That kid is a top goalie.  With good coaching that team will make some noise come playoff time.  The parents also seem to get it.  Good luck to them.

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #106 on: September 20, 2016, 10:50:53 AM »
Declarations page on SCAHA website currently  shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...


Also still shows them listed as AA as well... LOL! i guess it's all in process?

SCAHA site shows 24 teams in PWA for regular season.


Looks like it's official... Gulls#2, Wildcats and SDIA have moved down to PeeWee A.
I'm guessing some teams might slide down to BB?

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #107 on: September 20, 2016, 11:49:54 AM »
Declarations page on SCAHA website currently  shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...


Also still shows them listed as AA as well... LOL! i guess it's all in process?




SCAHA site shows 24 teams in PWA for regular season.


Looks like it's official... Gulls#2, Wildcats and SDIA have moved down to PeeWee A.
I'm guessing some teams might slide down to BB?


About 7 should now.

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #108 on: September 20, 2016, 10:38:38 PM »
Okay so if SDIA dropped from PW AA and they were competetive at that level will they be sand bagging now at the A level like the riptide did last season?  If so, this is why SCHA needs to monitor all of the levels of play.

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #109 on: September 20, 2016, 11:00:47 PM »
Okay so if SDIA dropped from PW AA and they were competetive at that level will they be sand bagging now at the A level like the riptide did last season?  If so, this is why SCHA needs to monitor all of the levels of play.

Riptide sandbagged, huh?

Pretty sure they tried everything in their power as a team and association to move up to AA knowing full well they wouldn't dominate at AA, but SCAHA shot them down (twice!). May want to get your facts straight before you make uninformed statements and go accusing a team of sandbagging because they probably blew out your team at some point in the season.

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #110 on: September 20, 2016, 11:08:15 PM »
Okay so if SDIA dropped from PW AA and they were competetive at that level will they be sand bagging now at the A level like the riptide did last season?  If so, this is why SCHA needs to monitor all of the levels of play.

IMO, this SDIA team is not nearly as good as the Riptide PWA team of last year... SDIA doesn't have kids like the 2 elite scorer the Riptide had and the goaltending is not at RT's level. SDIA will be a top 6 team in PWA but will they 'sandbag'? Well, that depends on your definition of sandbagging. They will destroy a lot of the low end teams but play the middle of the pack teams much closer, but winning it all? I'm sure the current top PWA teams will have something to say about that.

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #111 on: September 20, 2016, 11:18:23 PM »
True story regarding Riptide last season. They DID in fact try to move up to AA but were denied. Folks you have to accept SCAHA couldn't care less about who plays where in what level and yet every so often they do something really dumb (Like deny the RT a move-up). They really really don't care. Just pay your money and play where you want is their mantra. This discussion has been held for YEARS now. Total old news.


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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #112 on: September 21, 2016, 08:30:38 AM »
True story regarding Riptide last season. They DID in fact try to move up to AA but were denied. Folks you have to accept SCAHA couldn't care less about who plays where in what level and yet every so often they do something really dumb (Like deny the RT a move-up). They really really don't care. Just pay your money and play where you want is their mantra. This discussion has been held for YEARS now. Total old news.


You are spot on, it is the mentality of, "the kids are playing hockey, that's good enough."


The Riptide didn't want to play down and neither did anyone else want them to play down.  It was a subject for weeks on this board.  It was a credit to the Riptide and everyone involved at PWA that the year went as well as it did. 

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #113 on: September 21, 2016, 08:41:30 AM »
True story regarding Riptide last season. They DID in fact try to move up to AA but were denied. Folks you have to accept SCAHA couldn't care less about who plays where in what level and yet every so often they do something really dumb (Like deny the RT a move-up). They really really don't care. Just pay your money and play where you want is their mantra. This discussion has been held for YEARS now. Total old news.


Let me try and save alot of headaches that I went through in the past few years... 1. Many Non USA Hockey rules initiate from the Club Presidents, meaning if you don't like the rules.. complain to your club presidents. Blaming SCAHA is a complete waste of time. I went through it and decided to start shooting up the pole! Do the big clubs have more say? I have no idea, but could be, but if you are looking for a place to start.. contact your club Pres. Good luck!
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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #114 on: September 21, 2016, 09:57:48 AM »
Okay so if SDIA dropped from PW AA and they were competetive at that level will they be sand bagging now at the A level like the riptide did last season?  If so, this is why SCHA needs to monitor all of the levels of play.
SDIA was not competitive in AA, and if you are worried about them sand bagging, it's your team that needs to drop down a level!

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #115 on: September 21, 2016, 10:08:23 AM »
The Riptide could have played AA last season, along with Wave, JK2, and Mariners. Those 4 teams were better than the bottom 6 or 7 Peewee AA teams. If teams would just play in the proper division, Peewee A could have been just fine for the Riptide. And if it was such a big deal for their best player, he could have left to play AA or AAA at anytime. You have to release a player if they want to play up a level. The bitching and complaining about the Riptide is getting old. They were the best team, but not by that much, problem was all the B teams playing in A.


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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #116 on: September 21, 2016, 10:26:11 AM »
Here's a question for you:
Why does Squirt A have 9 teams and Squirt BB 22, but Peewee A has 24 teams and Peewee BB only 8 teams.
If you are a good Peewee A team, it's going to be a long boring season. Probably 6-8 teams that should be Peewee A, along with 3 more from Peewee AA that didn't drop (you know who you are!). You'll be lucky if you get scheduled against the best teams, but chances are you'll only get about 3 or 4 competitive games all season. The rest of your schedule will be useless games. Your practices will be more fun to watch! You'll try and scrimmage the Peewee AA teams, only to be told you have to pay for the ice and the refs, if they even want to play you.
[/size]And all because SCAHA doesn't have the balls to move teams to the proper division. That, and the money grabbing clubs and coaches, who keep telling you how much potential you little johnny has...and the [/size]kool-aid they hand out every spring up until you sign your PTO.

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #117 on: September 21, 2016, 11:13:35 AM »
Here's a question for you:
Why does Squirt A have 9 teams and Squirt BB 22, but Peewee A has 24 teams and Peewee BB only 8 teams.
If you are a good Peewee A team, it's going to be a long boring season. Probably 6-8 teams that should be Peewee A, along with 3 more from Peewee AA that didn't drop (you know who you are!). You'll be lucky if you get scheduled against the best teams, but chances are you'll only get about 3 or 4 competitive games all season. The rest of your schedule will be useless games. Your practices will be more fun to watch! You'll try and scrimmage the Peewee AA teams, only to be told you have to pay for the ice and the refs, if they even want to play you.
[/size]And all because SCAHA doesn't have the balls to move teams to the proper division. That, and the money grabbing clubs and coaches, who keep telling you how much potential you little johnny has...and the [/size]kool-aid they hand out every spring up until you sign your PTO.
A 51.....you must have got some action last night.....your on fire !

What are your thoughts on the global economy ?

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #118 on: September 21, 2016, 11:18:50 AM »
Here's a question for you:
Why does Squirt A have 9 teams and Squirt BB 22, but Peewee A has 24 teams and Peewee BB only 8 teams.
If you are a good Peewee A team, it's going to be a long boring season. Probably 6-8 teams that should be Peewee A, along with 3 more from Peewee AA that didn't drop (you know who you are!). You'll be lucky if you get scheduled against the best teams, but chances are you'll only get about 3 or 4 competitive games all season. The rest of your schedule will be useless games. Your practices will be more fun to watch! You'll try and scrimmage the Peewee AA teams, only to be told you have to pay for the ice and the refs, if they even want to play you.
And all because SCAHA doesn't have the balls to move teams to the proper division. That, and the money grabbing clubs and coaches, who keep telling you how much potential you little johnny has...and the kool-aid they hand out every spring up until you sign your PTO.
A 51.....you must have got some action last night.....your on fire !

What are your thoughts on the global economy ?
don't get me started...

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Re: Pee Wee A 2016-17
« Reply #119 on: September 21, 2016, 11:37:33 AM »
There's really two problems that have lead to this.

1. They just added Peewee BB, and as a new division clubs aren't yet comfortable with what it means, and whether or not they should play in that division. 

Obviously at each Tier there are impediments for the clubs and parents involved, making those fundamental decisions.  At the "travel" tier (Anything A or under)  there are always going to be teams that could move one way or another, but for clubs that are only able to field one team, or possibly one team and a second "new to the sport" team, there is inevitably a need to find the balance between serving the best players on the roster via more challenging competition, or the less skilled players, who will be overmatched.   When people complain about teams, they are almost always complaining about teams where there are substantial extremes from the median sklll level of the team.  Occasionally and historically there have been clubs that seem to regularly field teams that are entirely in the wrong division (not talking about the Riptide A team from last season!!!!)  but that's a whole different issue, and not the norm.

2.  Peewee is the end of the line for the "Play up" era, that started with the implementation of Mite ADM cross ice.

What has happened since that time, is that it has become the norm for individual kids as well as entire teams to play up a division.  This starts with disgruntled Mite families who have kids that have essentially outgrown cross ice, and then continues year after year.  For some reason, once on this habitrail wheel,  people are convinced that their kids are not going to make the NHL unless they are playing at the next available age group, whether or not that is appropriate or even logical.  Again this year we see numerous '06's playing Peewee A when they could have played Squirt A, and believing that this will make their kids better hockey players in the long run, even though there is absolutely no data to support this that doesn't involve anecdotal Wayne Gretzky or Sidney Crosby stories.  These generational players who are complete outliers, seem to drive decision making, while the story of Auston Matthews who learned the game playing 3v3 on small rinks is ignored.  Meanwhile, all those Canadian and "traditional US hockey market" NHL players all grew up playing against kids in their own age group.

Scaha, which at one time had clear rules forbidding this practice, has essentially rubber stamped it the last few years.  It's bad enough that so many kids are unnecessarily playing up a division against kids 2-3 years older, but when you consider the thought process behind this idea, it becomes clear that the practice doesn't have the same cache when bragging to others about how your kid is so advanced they HAVE to play in a higher age group, if you don't have at least one A to tack onto their league.   I know that many parents just follow the team and the coach along on this journey, but that doesn't make it any more reasonable.

So here we arrive at a Scaha Peewee A division with 24 teams as we speak, 16 games, and eight playoff spots to be won.  Teams will play completely unfair schedules and find their season is essentially over by christmas.  Other lesser teams will make it into the playoffs purely due to the luck of the draw.  The top 4-6 teams may never play each other unless they meet up in tournament play. 

Teams at the bottom of the A division who will be beaten by 98% of the division, and absolutely crushed by the top 70%, would be far better off in BB, but that would mean losing that all important 'A'.    I'm sure in a few seasons things will level out, but apparently this season, the Peewee A division is going to be the crucible where all the issues of the last 5 years are made manifest.