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Hockey Discussions => Bantam Hockey => Topic started by: WCHP on April 13, 2016, 01:15:41 PM
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so the 2015/16 season is over and now a new one is upon us, so any new rumors or stories to tell?
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How did the Labor Day Tournaments go? Who looked good?
At the Anaheim Ice tournament Wave Artesia 1 beat OC Newton in the final. I saw OC play and they looked real tough.. Wave I heard had a couple of AA players for the tournament.. any truth to that?
Jr Ducks 2 was a scrappy team with a good goalie, looked good.
Jr Ducks 1 underachieved
The other OC team was smaller than Newton but looked good.
Mariners and Wave Ontario struggled.
Any other thoughts???
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Wave added one player to replace one of their top D that was going to miss the tourney. Otherwise they are primarily the same 03 team that they have been for the last few years.
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So we have 3 weeks in the books. Any news on teams dropping? I heard a rumor that Heat 2 is going to drop.
Early thoughts..
Obviously Wave Art3 is the top dog of the division so far. (and will more than likely go wire to wire in the top spot)
Bears had a pretty impressive win over OCHC1 (Newton??) 6-2. Anyone see this game and have any thoughts?
Based on some limited viewing and scores from SCAHA I'd say the next tier of teams are:
Bears, OCHC1, Wave Art1, Blaze and Maple Leafs. (in no particular order)
It's early, but I would say there is a strong chance those 5 teams will be in the playoffs along with Wave Art3.
that leaves 2 spots for the rest of the division...
Will be fun to see how it all shakes out.
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Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
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Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
This isn't a SCAHA issue, it's a CAHA issue. The Ducks are not gonna budge on this. They are gonna protect their monopolization of So Cal youth hockey.
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Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
So let me get this straight... the rules are in place and the Club/team decides not to follow and it's SCAHA's fault?? They could have picked up a few home grown kids to qualify right? What am I missing??
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Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
So let me get this straight... the rules are in place and the Club/team decides not to follow and it's SCAHA's fault?? They could have picked up a few home grown kids to qualify right? What am I missing??
From what I have gathered, they were all willing to be playoff ineligible at the AA level, but after they signed, the rules were changed to not allow them to be in AA. CAHA forced them to A and the parents and kids are willing to ride out this season so they can be a top AA team next year. CAHA has recently offered an option for them to move back to AA...that nobody I know would ever agree to. So it seems to be Bantam A this season. I could be wrong about some of this, and would love to hear if anyone has any additional info.
Hopefully I can catch a game when they play one of the Ducks teams...lol
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Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
So let me get this straight... the rules are in place and the Club/team decides not to follow and it's SCAHA's fault?? They could have picked up a few home grown kids to qualify right? What am I missing??
From what I have gathered, they were all willing to be playoff ineligible at the AA level, but after they signed, the rules were changed to not allow them to be in AA. CAHA forced them to A and the parents and kids are willing to ride out this season so they can be a top AA team next year. CAHA has recently offered an option for them to move back to AA...that nobody I know would ever agree to. So it seems to be Bantam A this season. I could be wrong about some of this, and would love to hear if anyone has any additional info.
Hopefully I can catch a game when they play one of the Ducks teams...lol
Hopefully they can scrimmage the AAA and see how they do... Maybe able to make a case for AAA next year?
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Are they 03's or 02's? The would be on the receiving end of their blowouts if they played an 02 AAA team.
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Are they 03's or 02's? The would be on the receiving end of their blowouts if they played an 02 AAA team.
That team won 1 game Labor Day playing Bantam AA. Let's not get ahead of ourselves playing Bantam A
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Are they 03's or 02's? The would be on the receiving end of their blowouts if they played an 02 AAA team.
That team won 1 game Labor Day playing Bantam AA. Let's not get ahead of ourselves playing Bantam A
But they already crowned them state champs and are moving to AAA. :o
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My kids Sq BB is in need of a fundraiser.
We will be taking bets on the over/under vs the jds in CAHA.......OOPS, SORRY .........SCAHA games.
Line forthcoming. ;)
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I believe Wave 3 is an all 03 team.
Labor Day they went 1/1/1. All the games were close and it was the first time they had played together with live ammo.
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Forgot to mention that Ducks declined various invitations to scrimmage WAVE 3, so there is bad blood somewhere. Inevitably they will meet in a tournament and we shall see. Early days yet.
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Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
So let me get this straight... the rules are in place and the Club/team decides not to follow and it's SCAHA's fault?? They could have picked up a few home grown kids to qualify right? What am I missing??
No, a club still must have A teams to be able to ice AA teams. No A teams equals no AA team. It wouldn't matter if you met the PDR, you would need a waiver.
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Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
So let me get this straight... the rules are in place and the Club/team decides not to follow and it's SCAHA's fault?? They could have picked up a few home grown kids to qualify right? What am I missing??
No, a club still must have A teams to be able to ice AA teams. No A teams equals no AA team. It wouldn't matter if you met the PDR, you would need a waiver.
You only need 3 B, BB, or A teams in any division to field tier teams. You do NOT need a feeder team to field a AA team.
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So what are the terms for getting a PDR waiver?
And how did the Ducks get veto power?
Why won't the Ducks scrimmage Wave 3? [size=78%]What are they afraid of?[/size]
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Why don't they ask?
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So what are the terms for getting a PDR waiver?
And how did the Ducks get veto power?
Why won't the Ducks scrimmage Wave 3? [size=78%]What are they afraid of?[/size]
To Crash
Why did the Wave field a team knowing that it did not meet the PDR requirements? How many players short were they from the 50%? What Ducks team are you referring to for a game?
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Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
So let me get this straight... the rules are in place and the Club/team decides not to follow and it's SCAHA's fault?? They could have picked up a few home grown kids to qualify right? What am I missing??
No, a club still must have A teams to be able to ice AA teams. No A teams equals no AA team. It wouldn't matter if you met the PDR, you would need a waiver.
You only need 3 B, BB, or A teams in any division to field tier teams. You do NOT need a feeder team to field a AA team.
That makes for a messed up evaluation. Your good kid, we want you on the team but we have to go with Johnny local that has been skating for 6 months to meet the PDR. Like every regulation ever passed in local hockey or Federal Government. They sound great to the proponents but the unforeseen ramifications are always there.
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Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
They're a minor birth year team and I don't think they expected to make Playdowns in AA. they expected to be in AA, just not playoff eligible. Ducks don't like losing players.
So let me get this straight... the rules are in place and the Club/team decides not to follow and it's SCAHA's fault?? They could have picked up a few home grown kids to qualify right? What am I missing??
No, a club still must have A teams to be able to ice AA teams. No A teams equals no AA team. It wouldn't matter if you met the PDR, you would need a waiver.
You only need 3 B, BB, or A teams in any division to field tier teams. You do NOT need a feeder team to field a AA team.
That makes for a messed up evaluation. Your good kid, we want you on the team but we have to go with Johnny local that has been skating for 6 months to meet the PDR. Like every regulation ever passed in local hockey or Federal Government. They sound great to the proponents but the unforeseen ramifications are always there.
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All of this was discussed in AA thread when it happened, but to summarize. PDR was created to protect the clubs from losing players that follow a coach. Which, I agree is ridiculous! In this case, several AA players followed the coach from the Ducks that was released due to an alleged safe sport violation. Thus, the team ended up with less than 50% previous Wave players. The Ducks apparently pushed the issue, thus requiring them to drop down. They apparently did have an option to move back to AA but would not be eligible for playoffs. Or, stay at A and be eligible for a state championship in A. Parents did have to resign a new LOI when team dropped to A so was their choice in staying with the team. Not saying it's right but that's what happened.
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That's about the most accurate and open minded explanation I've seen on here.
I would only add that WAVE 3 were offered to go back to AA, but the terms were horrible: 8 "exhibition" games, still not playoff eligible. And the games were one-offs, i.e. Vacantville for ONE game (not 4 like CAHA) San Jose for ONE game. No one would agree to that, so the offer was not in good faith.
A team like the Ducks, who lose players who follow a coach, should look in the mirror at its own program if it can't keep kids and coaches.
As for WAVE 3, stay tuned.
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So how is it that the jr kings can have 2 midget aaa teams 15 and 16 when
they do not have a 16aa team. There was once a rule you had to have
A AA team to have aaa team. But I guess that does not go for the big 3
As they bend the rules as need it
Wave 3 just beat Mariners 15-0 this morning taking their pre-season goal scoring to GF 58 GA 1 over 4 games.
Will SCAHA do anything? Nothing like putting politics ahead of the kids.
So let me get this straight... the rules are in place and the Club/team decides not to follow and it's SCAHA's fault?? They could have picked up a few home grown kids to qualify right? What am I missing??
No, a club still must have A teams to be able to ice AA teams. No A teams equals no AA team. It wouldn't matter if you met the PDR, you would need a waiver.
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That's about the most accurate and open minded explanation I've seen on here.
I would only add that WAVE 3 were offered to go back to AA, but the terms were horrible: 8 "exhibition" games, still not playoff eligible. And the games were one-offs, i.e. Vacantville for ONE game (not 4 like CAHA) San Jose for ONE game. No one would agree to that, so the offer was not in good faith.
A team like the Ducks, who lose players who follow a coach, should look in the mirror at its own program if it can't keep kids and coaches.
As for WAVE 3, stay tuned.
Totally agree! Bantam Minor is a development year and Wave 3 is looking at the future in the Major Division. They may have gotten screwed this year but next year they will have no problem reaching 50% PDR, or 25% for Tier 1. Plus Ontario Wave has a Bantam AA team this year that made up of over 50% 03's. Wave couldn't put get enough for a Tier 1 Major this year, but wouldn't bet against those odds for next year!
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I'm confused as to how they can be eligible for playoffs in A but not AA? SCAHA has basically the same rules in place below.
SECTION 24 - TEAM ELIGIBILITY
24.01 Block Recruitment occurs when more than the approved number of players from a final team roster in the previous season is rostered with a different club’s team in the new season. The team will not be included in the SCAHA schedule and will be ineligible for post-season playoffs. The approved numbers of players that may join a team from a different club’s previous season roster are as follows: Squirts – 5 players; Peewees, Bantams and Midgets – 6 players.
24.02 CAHA RULE - In order to be eligible for SCAHA and CAHA playoffs, Peewee, Bantam and Midget Tier II and ‘A’ level teams must meet the CAHA player development requirements (PDR).
Any team deemed ineligible for violating SCAHA or CAHA rules will not be included in the SCAHA schedule.
24.03 Any team deemed ineligible for violating SCAHA or CAHA rules will not be included in the SCAHA schedule.
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Thank you for the chapter and verse. There remains the mystery of the waiver. If these requirements can be waived, it looks like the aggrieved party (the Quackers) have the power to block the waiver, or are they in cahoots together. Are there any conflicts of interest that we know about or not know about?
Honestly, if the kids and parents want to play for a particular coach, I think it's their business and the team losing said players needs to look in the mirror. I understand that's not the rule, but that's my feeling based on perhaps incomplete knowledge.
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I'm confused as to how they can be eligible for playoffs in A but not AA? SCAHA has basically the same rules in place below.
SECTION 24 - TEAM ELIGIBILITY
Block Recruitment occurs when more than the approved number of players from a final team roster in the previous season is rostered with a different club’s team in the new season. The team will not be included in the SCAHA schedule and will be ineligible for post-season playoffs. The approved numbers of players that may join a team from a different club’s previous season roster are as follows: Squirts – 5 players; Peewees, Bantams and Midgets – 6 players.
CAHA RULE - In order to be eligible for SCAHA and CAHA playoffs, Peewee, Bantam and Midget Tier II and ‘A’ level teams must meet the CAHA player development requirements (PDR).
Any team deemed ineligible for violating SCAHA or CAHA rules will not be included in the SCAHA schedule.
I think you call it a Cluster Puck
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Every club and every coach knows these rules. I know for a fact that OCHC 16AA 1 and 2 had PDR problems during their tryouts and they had to take kids from one of teams and split them up so that both teams could make PDR. In conclusion, the better of the two teams probably ended up less competitive but they both met PDR.
My point is, they knew what they were getting into (or maybe they didn't) but they should get what they deserve (ignorance is no defense). Make lemonade out of lemons... You guys are doing the opposite and blaming the league for your mistakes or ignorance.
You could always play in AA tournaments and schedule tons of scrimmages and if you get ONE game in San Jose or Vacaville scheduled by the league as exhibition then maybe it would be wise to arrange another game or two (scrimmage) off the schedule to make it worth while when you're there. Or you can bitch and complain and just kick the crap out of everyone in A while driving an hour each way to watch your kids pound someone 16-0.
Take the 'A' route and my guess is you'll be behind the curve to the 03 teams that are taking their lumps in AA this year.
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Every club and every coach knows these rules. I know for a fact that OCHC 16AA 1 and 2 had PDR problems during their tryouts and they had to take kids from one of teams and split them up so that both teams could make PDR. In conclusion, the better of the two teams probably ended up less competitive but they both met PDR.
My point is, they knew what they were getting into (or maybe they didn't) but they should get what they deserve (ignorance is no defense). Make lemonade out of lemons... You guys are doing the opposite and blaming the league for your mistakes or ignorance.
You could always play in AA tournaments and schedule tons of scrimmages and if you get ONE game in San Jose or Vacaville scheduled by the league as exhibition then maybe it would be wise to arrange another game or two (scrimmage) off the schedule to make it worth while when you're there. Or you can bitch and complain and just kick the crap out of everyone in A while driving an hour each way to watch your kids pound someone 16-0.
Again, it was not by choice of the parents that this happened. In my opinion if it looks/sounds/smells like a bitter old wench, it is.
IDK about winning it all, but I think they'll finish higher than the jds. :P
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Every club and every coach knows these rules. I know for a fact that OCHC 16AA 1 and 2 had PDR problems during their tryouts and they had to take kids from one of teams and split them up so that both teams could make PDR. In conclusion, the better of the two teams probably ended up less competitive but they both met PDR.
My point is, they knew what they were getting into (or maybe they didn't) but they should get what they deserve (ignorance is no defense). Make lemonade out of lemons... You guys are doing the opposite and blaming the league for your mistakes or ignorance.
You could always play in AA tournaments and schedule tons of scrimmages and if you get ONE game in San Jose or Vacaville scheduled by the league as exhibition then maybe it would be wise to arrange another game or two (scrimmage) off the schedule to make it worth while when you're there. Or you can bitch and complain and just kick the crap out of everyone in A while driving an hour each way to watch your kids pound someone 16-0.
Again, it was not by choice of the parents that this happened. In my opinion if it looks/sounds/smells like a bitter old wench, it is.
IDK about winning it all, but I think they'll finish higher than the jds. :P
Then why are parents complaining? Because a coach who was fired told his parents he would have no problem getting a waiver? :o
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The point of pounding teams 15-0 is to piss off the coaches and parents so they complain.
W3 would be quite happy winning 7-0 or 8-1 just enough to run the clock.
in case you don't realize it, Ducks and Kings want to control everything, at least have first pick of the best kids. The independent teams will be at their whim. is that what everyone wants?
Of course W3 want better competition and are committed to some good tournaments.[size=78%] [/size]
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Heat 2 - 0 Wave 3 - 11
Wave 3 - 15 Wave 2 - 0
SDIA - 1 Wave 3 - 12
Mariners - 0 Wave 3 - 16
So let me get this straight. Pounding on the Mariners, the Oilers, the Heat and even their own club is proving a point by pissing off the coaches of those clubs and somehow it will send a message to the Ducks and the Kings? That's some good logic and so is winning by just enough to have the clock run. That'll make the boys better! Maybe I see now why this team is in this position.
I'm not a fan of giant clubs but the Wave certainly have one of the largest with 34 teams which is 8 more than the Kings and only one less than the Ducks. The SCHAHA and CAHA boards both have representatives from all clubs. Votes and changes are done democratically. The small clubs have the big clubs out numbered so changes that only protect the big clubs are highly unlikely. In fact, this rule (PDR) is set so that little clubs don't get 'crushed' by having large groups of kids go from small clubs to big ones. Just because this happened the opposite way doesn't make it any more right which is why it was VOTED down.
The rules were broken. Own it and bite the bullet.
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Heat 2 - 0 Wave 3 - 11
Wave 3 - 15 Wave 2 - 0
SDIA - 1 Wave 3 - 12
Mariners - 0 Wave 3 - 16
So let me get this straight. Pounding on the Mariners, the Oilers, the Heat and even their own club is proving a point by pissing off the coaches of those clubs and somehow it will send a message to the Ducks and the Kings? That's some good logic and so is winning by just enough to have the clock run. That'll make the boys better! Maybe I see now why this team is in this position.
I'm not a fan of giant clubs but the Wave certainly have one of the largest with 34 teams which is 8 more than the Kings and only one less than the Ducks. The SCHAHA and CAHA boards both have representatives from all clubs. Votes and changes are done democratically. The small clubs have the big clubs out numbered so changes that only protect the big clubs are highly unlikely. In fact, this rule (PDR) is set so that little clubs don't get 'crushed' by having large groups of kids go from small clubs to big ones. Just because this happened the opposite way doesn't make it any more right which is why it was VOTED down.
The rules were broken. Own it and bite the bullet.
Couldn't have said it any better! Well said and spot on!
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Heat 2 - 0 Wave 3 - 11
Wave 3 - 15 Wave 2 - 0
SDIA - 1 Wave 3 - 12
Mariners - 0 Wave 3 - 16
So let me get this straight. Pounding on the Mariners, the Oilers, the Heat and even their own club is proving a point by pissing off the coaches of those clubs and somehow it will send a message to the Ducks and the Kings? That's some good logic and so is winning by just enough to have the clock run. That'll make the boys better! Maybe I see now why this team is in this position.
I'm not a fan of giant clubs but the Wave certainly have one of the largest with 34 teams which is 8 more than the Kings and only one less than the Ducks. The SCHAHA and CAHA boards both have representatives from all clubs. Votes and changes are done democratically. The small clubs have the big clubs out numbered so changes that only protect the big clubs are highly unlikely. In fact, this rule (PDR) is set so that little clubs don't get 'crushed' by having large groups of kids go from small clubs to big ones. Just because this happened the opposite way doesn't make it any more right which is why it was VOTED down.
The rules were broken. Own it and bite the bullet.
it was voted down because, corect me if I'm wrong A51, the jds have control CAHA because of the number of USA Hockey registered players. That includes, in house,club,high school and even adult league numbers. Just the number of adult and ALL of its high school league participants (even if they also play club with a non jd team) Is enough to dwarf the numbers at most clubs. It's like the City of Vernon, yes there are.city elections, BUT all the people voting are in the same "family". ;)
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Heat 2 - 0 Wave 3 - 11
Wave 3 - 15 Wave 2 - 0
SDIA - 1 Wave 3 - 12
Mariners - 0 Wave 3 - 16
So let me get this straight. Pounding on the Mariners, the Oilers, the Heat and even their own club is proving a point by pissing off the coaches of those clubs and somehow it will send a message to the Ducks and the Kings? That's some good logic and so is winning by just enough to have the clock run. That'll make the boys better! Maybe I see now why this team is in this position.
I'm not a fan of giant clubs but the Wave certainly have one of the largest with 34 teams which is 8 more than the Kings and only one less than the Ducks. The SCHAHA and CAHA boards both have representatives from all clubs. Votes and changes are done democratically. The small clubs have the big clubs out numbered so changes that only protect the big clubs are highly unlikely. In fact, this rule (PDR) is set so that little clubs don't get 'crushed' by having large groups of kids go from small clubs to big ones. Just because this happened the opposite way doesn't make it any more right which is why it was VOTED down.
The rules were broken. Own it and bite the bullet.
You are totally wrong about voting!
SCAHA each club has equal voting rights
CAHA voting percentage is based on USA Hockey membership. That includes SCAHA, High School, in house, and adult league. 3 teams control CAHA and they make the rules to protect their clubs, not the small clubs.
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That's exactly the kind of dialogue we need on here. Good job.
There is benefit in getting slaughtered once in a while. It actually may make the kids finally listen to their coach. My kids' team last year choked like a Donkey on a bag of Oreos in a game against a European team. It made them realize they weren't working hard enough and they played better in future such games.
I totally disagree with the underlying concept of the PDR rule. I don't think it's logical and I don't think it works, and ends up punishing kids who just want to play competitive hockey.
The current WAVE 3 situation just punishes the kids. Who wants a championship with an asterisk on it?
The attribution of this quote is not definitive, but it sure is appropriate.
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
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Affiliate hereby understands and agrees that the organization, structure, policy,
bylaws and/or operation of Affiliate shall reflect, and shall not violate, the following principles:
A. Membership
All Registered Participant Members of Affiliate, as a condition of membership in good standing with Affiliate, shall also be required to be Registered Participant Members in good standing with USA Hockey.
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C. Voting
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What am I missing here? What is A51 and can you put the verbiage up to educate us all?
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That's exactly the kind of dialogue we need on here. Good job.
There is benefit in getting slaughtered once in a while. It actually may make the kids finally listen to their coach. My kids' team last year choked like a Donkey on a bag of Oreos in a game against a European team. It made them realize they weren't working hard enough and they played better in future such games.
I totally disagree with the underlying concept of the PDR rule. I don't think it's logical and I don't think it works, and ends up punishing kids who just want to play competitive hockey.
The current WAVE 3 situation just punishes the kids. Who wants a championship with an asterisk on it?
The attribution of this quote is not definitive, but it sure is appropriate.
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
You’re right, the system is rigged! They put this rule in place directly to punish this particular set of people. LOL Go ahead with the they’re punishing the kids B.S. when in fact they’re punishing the coach, the parents, and the club for not following the rules!
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Affiliate hereby understands and agrees that the organization, structure, policy,
bylaws and/or operation of Affiliate shall reflect, and shall not violate, the following principles:
A. Membership
All Registered Participant Members of Affiliate, as a condition of membership in good standing with Affiliate, shall also be required to be Registered Participant Members in good standing with USA Hockey.
B. Government
The government and authority of Affiliate shall be vested in a Board of Directors composed of at least three representatives, as determined by Affiliate, selected through an annual democratic election process. A majority of the Board must always be composed of representatives selected by such election process. The officers of Affiliate, selected by the Registered Participant Members or the Board of Directors, shall include at least a president, vice president and secretary-treasurer. It is recommended that the terms of directors and officers be staggered.
C. Voting
Each Registered Participant Member of Affiliate shall be entitled to one vote in the process adopted by Affiliate for the election of its Board of Directors. The process adopted by Affiliate for the election of its Board of Directors shall be based upon the premise that each Registered Participant Member of Affiliate shall be entitled to one vote. The manner of any voting by proxy, shall be stated in writing and shall be subject to the approval of the Executive Committee of USA Hockey.
What am I missing here? What is A51 and can you put the verbiage up to educate us all?
UhhDuhhh, you took that straight from the SCAHA guide book. SCAHA is equal voting. Now try and find that in CAHA! Do you really think that the member clubs would vote in the new Tier I and II Requirements? Uhhh Duhhh
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Affiliate hereby understands and agrees that the organization, structure, policy,
bylaws and/or operation of Affiliate shall reflect, and shall not violate, the following principles:
A. Membership
All Registered Participant Members of Affiliate, as a condition of membership in good standing with Affiliate, shall also be required to be Registered Participant Members in good standing with USA Hockey.
B. Government
The government and authority of Affiliate shall be vested in a Board of Directors composed of at least three representatives, as determined by Affiliate, selected through an annual democratic election process. A majority of the Board must always be composed of representatives selected by such election process. The officers of Affiliate, selected by the Registered Participant Members or the Board of Directors, shall include at least a president, vice president and secretary-treasurer. It is recommended that the terms of directors and officers be staggered.
C. Voting
Each Registered Participant Member of Affiliate shall be entitled to one vote in the process adopted by Affiliate for the election of its Board of Directors. The process adopted by Affiliate for the election of its Board of Directors shall be based upon the premise that each Registered Participant Member of Affiliate shall be entitled to one vote. The manner of any voting by proxy, shall be stated in writing and shall be subject to the approval of the Executive Committee of USA Hockey.
What am I missing here? What is A51 and can you put the verbiage up to educate us all?
A51 CLASS IS IN !!!!!!!......BUT......
BRING THE RIGHT BOOK'!!!!!!!
MAMON :-[
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No, I took it from CAHA Guidebook here www.caha.com/guidebook-rules/2015-2017%20CAHA%20Guidebook.pdf
page 111 :o :o :o
Show me where it's written that it's based on percentage or size?
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Affiliate hereby understands and agrees that the organization, structure, policy,
bylaws and/or operation of Affiliate shall reflect, and shall not violate, the following principles:
A. Membership
All Registered Participant Members of Affiliate, as a condition of membership in good standing with Affiliate, shall also be required to be Registered Participant Members in good standing with USA Hockey.
B. Government
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What am I missing here? What is A51 and can you put the verbiage up to educate us all?
A51 CLASS IS IN !!!!!!!......BUT......
BRING THE RIGHT BOOK'!!!!!!!
MAMON :-[
Mouth, meet foot!
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My next question is why do Ducks have veto power over everything?
WAVE 3 were made an entirely ingenuous offer to come back to AA. It was NOT in good faith at all, not one of you would have signed it. Why is no one talking about that?
The season hasn't evenstarted yet. I don't speak for WAVE 3, but there is still time to negotiate something and in the interim, I don't blame WAVE 3 for beating A teams like rented mules.
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what were the terms of the offer to return to 2A?
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My next question is why do Ducks have veto power over everything?
WAVE 3 were made an entirely ingenuous offer to come back to AA. It was NOT in good faith at all, not one of you would have signed it. Why is no one talking about that?
The season hasn't evenstarted yet. I don't speak for WAVE 3, but there is still time to negotiate something and in the interim, I don't blame WAVE 3 for beating A teams like rented mules.
Backpedaling? Keep kicking and crying that it’s not fair!!! Good teaching point for your kids so I’m sure they’ll still be living at home at 30. Believe me, beating up on A teams doesn’t harm the A team because they all know it’s a AA team. On the other hand, it does your team no good. The right thing is to play AA tournaments and scrimmages and take what SCAHA or CAHA will give you in that division. You were wrong!
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On a side note.........
The only jd team (coach) that has the "balls" to play W3 are the Lady Ducks, tonight.
Protesting of JD Lives Matter will be meeting in the parking lot one hour before the game.
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The coach of wave 3 was a JD coach last year.. the majority of the team was JDs last year as well. So the wave willfully broke the rules in building this team... and their punishment is to win the A division in a landslide. The only real punishment here is what happens to the rest of the A division who does not deserve the @$$ whoopins they will be receiving. They should be forced to play a AA exhibition schedule... then they will be the only ones getting punished.
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Take what CAHA is willing to give us?
"Oh my, mem sahib, I am so grateful for your crumbs."
Hmm, let me think... how about what they used to say from my Knoxville Tennessee days: "---- --- , rude letter to follow."
As for the parking lot rumble with the girls tonight, my kid may be playing Danny in "Grease" this spring, so that may all work out.
As for Ducks, who died and made them God? Seriously, it's ridiculous.
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I dont understand why everyone thinks the Ducks are doing this....
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...So the wave willfully broke the rules in building this team...
Pretty sure the Wave doesn't give a crap what level this team plays at, as long as they're getting paid. Also pretty sure they didn't force any of those JD parents to sign those LOIs, the first time or the second time. I think it's the parents' responsibility to do their due diligence before signing up, it's their collective fault that they're in the situation they're in. And if SCAHA/CAHA gives you a way out, no matter how shitty you feel the deal is, if it's better than running rampant all over the Bantam A table, YOU FREAKIN' TAKE IT. If you had a chance to play some semblance of an exhibition season against other AA teams, and you turned it down because of logistics, I hope you get to travel to Bakersfield to put an "@$$ whoopin" on the Dragons so you can lament about how bad a decision it was to play down in Bantam A after being offered a way out.
BTW, that wasn't directed at you Teemu, just borrowed your quote. Not sure if you have a kid on that team or not.
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As for Ducks, who died and made them God? Seriously, it's ridiculous.
Their level of influence is probably directly related to the level of their investment into the youth hockey scene out here on the west coast. Name a club out here that is doing more to grow the sport (overall) than the Ducks. Just sayin'...
...and no, my kid doesn't play for them and never has.
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How ingenuous can you get? When the problem arose every good team was full. There was no option except surrender or invade Poland.
The joke is the boys have bonded as the black sheep of SoCal hockey and are playing with a lot of fire.
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How ingenuous can you get? When the problem arose every good team was full. There was no option except surrender or invade Poland.
The joke is the boys have bonded as the black sheep of SoCal hockey and are playing with a lot of fire.
This "problem" didn't arrive after Tryouts... again I'm confused. The club knew the rules and fiellded the team anyway, correct? What the heck am I missing???
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How ingenuous can you get? When the problem arose every good team was full. There was no option except surrender or invade Poland.
The joke is the boys have bonded as the black sheep of SoCal hockey and are playing with a lot of fire.
Not sure you are making a good argument for how ingenuous everyone is being. Like MO said, the coach/club/parents should have been able to discern that they were breaking the PDR rule from the get go. Now, I accept that it seems a bit shady that a new rule would be instituted AFTER tryouts and be implemented retroactively, but again I say that if your team was given a way out of Bantam A and you chose to stay because it was perceived as a raw deal then you've made the bed you're sleeping in. Maybe next time you won't dance so close to the fire. Enjoy your "bonding" season, I'm sure they will improve at great lengths mopping the floor with everyone else.
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Blind Zebras - YOU NAILED IT - that the indefensible and vindictive part with respect to PDR.
1. AFTER Tryouts
2. RETROACTIVE (?!) and 3. (correct me if I'm wrong) do teams not normally have until December (not sure the date) to add players? I know there was an issue on my son's Kings' team last year where they were looking to add a kid who was moving here from, like, Mars, and the move kept getting delayed. I remember hearing "as long as he's here by December, we can add him."
In the end the kid never showed up, so it was mute.
Does anyone know chapter and verse of the deadline, or is this vindictive, retroactive punishment only being exacted on WAVE 3 -- which is my point to begin with. If the the rule was "X" and applied equally to everyone, fine. No one was "skating close to the flame" (lovely ironic image). It was all done retroactively and only to W3.
THAT'S why W3 is on a take no prisoners mission.
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The rule was already there... its not being applied retroactively. They knew what they were doing... and now the rest of Bantam A is being punished
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Blind Zebras - YOU NAILED IT - that the indefensible and vindictive part with respect to PDR.
1. AFTER Tryouts
2. RETROACTIVE (?!) and 3. (correct me if I'm wrong) do teams not normally have until December (not sure the date) to add players? I know there was an issue on my son's Kings' team last year where they were looking to add a kid who was moving here from, like, Mars, and the move kept getting delayed. I remember hearing "as long as he's here by December, we can add him."
In the end the kid never showed up, so it was mute.
Does anyone know chapter and verse of the deadline, or is this vindictive, retroactive punishment only being exacted on WAVE 3 -- which is my point to begin with. If the the rule was "X" and applied equally to everyone, fine. No one was "skating close to the flame" (lovely ironic image). It was all done retroactively and only to W3.
THAT'S why W3 is on a take no prisoners mission.
The PDR requirements were posted on the CAHA website in April. They are still there right now on the home page. Long before Tier 1 or Tier 2 tryouts. Your coach, parents, and club just can't read.
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Just curious - how bad was the Safesport violation?
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I heard it had something to do with drinking at a team event.... not 100%sure
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I have no dog in the fight but this is a very interesting thread. Safesport follows a coach anywhere so if it was a real issue, he or any other coach wouldn't be allowed to coach.
The pdr rule is not new *but* previous to now, the writing never had specific rules on eligibility. I encourage everyone to look up the pdr 2015 rule then the new rule of today.
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As I understand it, the old PDR rule allowed teams to play in desired division but would not be playoff eligible. Then, allegedly, a committee ruled that this Wave team could not play in AA at all. I think that is the angst of their argument, and why words like vindictive are being thrown around. Maybe it's just coincidence, as the Wave 3 team is the only one finding itself in this position this year. Or, it could be perceived as a personal attack by a particular club (JD) holding a grudge against a particular coach (MT) and various parents/kids that decided to follow said coach. Supposedly 2 of the 5 committee members were from the JD club.
My point still stands - this particular Wave team knew they were going to violate the standing PDR rule and chose to field a team anyways (enter iconic image of dancing and fire). A ruling was made which quashed any hope of playing at the AA level, relegating them to handing out weekly beat-downs in Bantam A. BUT, an offer was made (albeit distasteful) to have some sort of hybrid exhibition schedule, and the team opted to stay in Bantam A and adopt an "us against the world" attitude. You had a choice, you made it, live with it.
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As I understand it, the old PDR rule allowed teams to play in desired division but would not be playoff eligible. Then, allegedly, a committee ruled that this Wave team could not play in AA at all. I think that is the angst of their argument, and why words like vindictive are being thrown around. Maybe it's just coincidence, as the Wave 3 team is the only one finding itself in this position this year. Or, it could be perceived as a personal attack by a particular club (JD) holding a grudge against a particular coach (MT) and various parents/kids that decided to follow said coach. Supposedly 2 of the 5 committee members were from the JD club.
My point still stands - this particular Wave team knew they were going to violate the standing PDR rule and chose to field a team anyways (enter iconic image of dancing and fire). A ruling was made which quashed any hope of playing at the AA level, relegating them to handing out weekly beat-downs in Bantam A. BUT, an offer was made (albeit distasteful) to have some sort of hybrid exhibition schedule, and the team opted to stay in Bantam A and adopt an "us against the world" attitude. You had a choice, you made it, live with it.
The problem with that "you had a choice, you made it live with it" statement is that you are making this all about wave 3 and not about the teams that actually belong at Bantam A. They are the ones getting screwed here. The other 18 teams did not have a choice and they are being forced to live with it.
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What was the offer caha made to the wave 3?
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I heard it had something to do with drinking at a team event.... not 100%sure
I always drink at team events. Makes them much more tolerable.
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I heard it had something to do with drinking at a team event.... not 100%sure
I always drink at team events. Makes them much more tolerable.
Exactly. However, you are not coaching the team, so there's that.
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I heard it had something to do with drinking at a team event.... not 100%sure
I always drink at team events. Makes them much more tolerable.
Ironic that the coach went to the tailgate capital of South Cal youth hockey. :P
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I heard it had something to do with drinking at a team event.... not 100%sure
I always drink at team events. Makes them much more tolerable.
Ironic that the coach went to the tailgate capital of South Cal youth hockey. :P
It wasn't just drinking, it was fall down drunk.
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The problem with that "you had a choice, you made it live with it" statement is that you are making this all about wave 3 and not about the teams that actually belong at Bantam A. They are the ones getting screwed here. The other 18 teams did not have a choice and they are being forced to live with it.
Point taken, you are correct. Everybody loses here. I was just addressing the claim that it's all CAHA's fault, and not the fact that the rest of the Bantam A division now has to suffer and play for 2nd place.
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Recognizing that this Board has apparently already awarded this team the Bantam A banner before the end of the pre-season, it will be interesting to see how they do this weekend against the Bears team which is also undefeated and have won their pre-season games by fairly large margins.
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Bears are one of a very few teams that may be able to keep it somewhat close.
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I just can't believe they are allowed to play in the playoffs if all of this has been stated correctly.
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Let them play. What does it matter? Don't like it don't play them take a forfeit!!
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I have no dog in the fight but this is a very interesting thread. Safesport follows a coach anywhere so if it was a real issue, he or any other coach wouldn't be allowed to coach.
The pdr rule is not new *but* previous to now, the writing never had specific rules on eligibility. I encourage everyone to look up the pdr 2015 rule then the new rule of today.
What is amazing is this is the 2nd thread dedicated to the same issue! Note "Why is Wave 3 playing in Bantam A" further down the blog list! At this point, we could write a book! Imagine the thread when they lose their first game!
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Recognizing that this Board has apparently already awarded this team the Bantam A banner before the end of the pre-season, it will be interesting to see how they do this weekend against the Bears team which is also undefeated and have won their pre-season games by fairly large margins.
Wave 3 by 6
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I don't think any of the Wave parents are complaining. They are totally fine with playing in Bantam A and keeping this team together for next season. And for all the Haters, you should be hating on CAHA, not the Wave 3 team that was forced down by the CAHA (Ducks).
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Bears team should be a good test, but W3 will be ready.
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How did Wave 3 do in their scrimmage with Lady Ducks?
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Crash,
U must be new with Coach MT, because if u knew the history of him and what went on, then you would not pile on. You are going to open a pandoras box and it will not be pretty. There are a lot of people on this forum that know everything that went on, but they keep it to themselves because they want to forget about all the shenanigans. Iam sure you re a good parent with good intentions for your kid, so run as far as you can from MT.
Btw, I think you guys are in the right division. I watched your labor day game against OC1 and although you have a lot of skilll, your team is too small for AA. The score was 3-1, but it could of been 10 - 1. They really pounded you guys physically and you guys had no answer for the physical play. I believe you had 2 kids get knocked out of the game and half of them did not want to have anything to do with the puck, because they were craping their pants. Remember, the sharks and AA Bears are more skilled than OC1 and the ducks are bigger and meaner. Checking changes a lot of things, just ask the 02 bears of last year. They were one of the top peewee AA team and only won 2 games in bantam AA.
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Well, glad to hear you've gotten through life with never needing a second chance.
Full disclosure was made, we liked the potential of the team for my son's particular situation and how Coach planned to utilize him. It is early days and there have certainly been some challenges, including losing #1 goalie, and my son being out until November with a serious injury, but we have no complaints with how our son is treated and his role on the team.
With respect to Labour Day, they went 1.1.1 and all the games were close. Considering it was the first time some of the boys were playing together and they are all 03s they did okay. Adjustments are being made. My son took a cheap crosscheck from behind in the first game (OC, I think) and landed strangely on his little finger, the tip of which exploded, blood was pouring out of his glove. It was a weird and painful injury, but we taped it up and he played the rest of the games.
As for Lady Ducks AAA v W3 there was no checking allowed - for the boys, the girls checked plenty. Down 3-0 in the third, the boys figured it out, and got it to 2-3, outshooting them 28-20, but their goalie is very good (and big) so that was the final score.
It is always weird playing girls' teams, in previous years my kid's teams have never played well against girls. But it was a good skate and they will be ready for Bears on Sunday.
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First weekend is in the books. A few of the scores are posted on SCAHA.
I saw the Wave Art1 game vs the Bears. Well played game on both sides. Two very evenly matched teams and the game probably could have went either way.
Wave Art1 pulled out a 3-1 (empty net) win in the end. Fast game with a lot of passing. Was fun to watch.
Any thoughts on the games this weekend?
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I believe a bunch of games were cancelled in San Diego due to power failure. Not sure totality of teams/tiers.
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Kings and Ducks 1 seemed pretty even...they tied 1-1
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Anyone playing in a Thanksgiving tourney?
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At Toyota Center tournament... Ducks 1 and Red Wings tied at 2. Ducks tied it with :44 left in the game.
Ducks 2 lost to Vacaville 4-0
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Where are the Wave 3? Have they played any good games yet?
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I reported on the WAVE 3 Channel, but here you go. Easy games no controversy so far.
Friday:
WAVE 3 (4) OCHC 2 (2)
WAVE 3 (4) LA Jr. Kings (0) shots 32-18 (Kings' goalie amazing)
Saturday:
WAVE 3 v OCHC 1 tbd. Obviously this will tell the tale. I believe Kings are playing Bears today. Good luck to everyone.
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In looking at the scores of the A-teams playing in A-tournaments, OCHC (1) faced the Blaze in the IHE Tournament in San Diego area with Blaze winning 4-0. Out of the actual "A" teams, still impressed by a Blaze, with only 10 players, holding their own against the larger clubs.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure that was the OCHC(2) team, not OCHC(1).
I agree the Blaze A team is pretty impressive. They are big, they can skate, but boy do they draw penalties. For example, 15 minors and two GM's on the HC in the game against the Heat on 11/6. That's their weakness. Put a couple of them in the box and the bench gets real short.
The Escondido Extravaganza tournament also features the Santa Rosa Flyers and SDIA, who played an intense defensive battle that ended 1-1 last night.
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Ducks 1 plays The Red Wings in the final at Toyota Center Sunday. This has been a good, competitive tourney with no blow outs. Vacaville Jets, Ducks 2, Kings, condors were the other teams. Ducks scores were:
2-2 vs Red Wings
4-0 over Condors
3-1 over Ducks 2
2-0 over Kings
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I think it is hilarious that Ducks play at Toyota, while we travel to Aliso Viejo and Lake Forest to play Kings.
I have given up trying to parse the logic of SoCal hockey.
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We (WAVE 3) will play KINGS AA in Las Vegas. We could theoretically play Ducks in playoffs there. It's so dumb.
To me, half the fun of tournaments is playing really different teams with cool jerseys. We did the pin trading in Quebec last year, and we've done it in Denver, but I guess it's falling out of style which is too bad. It's a nice thing for the boys to have when they are older.
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Congrats to the 8-player squad of Desert Blaze Bantam A for their Championship
Win at the Extravaganza in Escondido. They may be rough on the edges, but when a team with only 8 players scores 32 GF / 2GA, it does show some old-fashioned hockey passion. Nope, I don't have a player in that division... but like the drive to win!
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Ducks 1 beat the Red Wings 1-0 in finals at Toyota Center. Wings Goalie was spectacular.
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8 out players? That's impressive. Impressive bench management too, keep the shifts short.
When I played 4 on 4 (out every other shift) I often felt more involved in the game. Good on them.
I do have to say though that "Extravaganza in Escondido" sounds like something out of a Warren Zevon song. :-)
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I do have to say though that "Extravaganza in Escondido" sounds like something out of a Warren Zevon song. :-)
"Lawyers, Guns and Money" Crash.
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yeah!
Or maybe "Carmelita" -- I think it goes something like this:
"Oh I ate an enchilada,
that was probably a mistake,
Take away the carne asada
Cause it tastes really bad and...
Chorus - "Carmelita! Bring the Charmin'
I think I'm sinking down
Cause I'm all strung out on Immodium
in a bad part of town."
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Ha! Good one.
Grinder
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Anyone know what happened in the Blaze vs Ice Hawks game? SCAHA still doesn't have the game posted.
3 ties last weekend! Goes to show what a dog fight it is going to be for the last 4 playoff spots.
The OCHC1 vs Mariners score was a bit of a head scratcher. 2-1? Mariners goalie stand on his head or OCHC1 not show up?
Everyone enjoy the bye weekend. The following week looks to have some nice matchups.
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Talked to an OC 1 parent... OC outshot them by 40 and had 2 5 on 3s... great game by Mariner goalie.
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Anyone know what happened in the Blaze vs Ice Hawks game? SCAHA still doesn't have the game posted.
Blaze 10-1 win.
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Hats off to OC, they had a fantastic season. Any theories about what happened to them last weekend? The Bears game was epic!!! And how were the games in Bracket 1? Also predictions for next weekend?
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No tooting of the horn Crash ???
Congrats to Wave 3 on their SCAHA championship.
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Thank you. The boys worked their posteriors off.
Next up: they have Molson Canadian on draft in San Jose. :-)
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Good luck to Wave 3 Tatavosian this weekend at States !!
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Thank you. The boys worked their posteriors off.
Next up: they have Molson Canadian on draft in San Jose. :-)
What, no Kokanee ??
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Good luck to Wave 3 Tatavosian this weekend at States !!
Tatavosian? I thought Calder was HC
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Good luck to Wave 3 Tatavosian this weekend at States !!
Tatavosian? I thought Calder was HC
Good question!! Are the rumors true??
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Good luck to Wave 3 Tatavosian this weekend at States !!
Tatavosian? I thought Calder was HC
hahaha!! Calder probably couldn't name 3 kids on that team. That's MT's team through and through, which is likely why they got the shaft from CAHA/SCAHA this season. Not to worry, they're already having their names engraved on the trophy for next years Bantam AA State Championship. ;D
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i thought they are going AAA next year!
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i thought they are going AAA next year!
Sherman Anti Trust issue.
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San Jose April 2nd 2017
Wave 4 Bears 0
Wave 3 Bantam A State Champions 2016/17
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San Jose April 2nd 2017
Wave 4 Bears 0
Wave 3 Bantam A State Champions 2016/17
Congrats to the Boys
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San Jose April 2nd 2017
Wave 4 Bears 0
Wave 3 Bantam A State Champions 2016/17
That's all you got ???
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This was a team that was entering AAA tourneys and quite honestly a 4-0 win for the A championship is not what I expected! I thought it would have been a blowout, this team must not have improved at all playing A!
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Was this team all 03's? I think I read that a waze back somewhere on all the threads that got started with these guys...
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This was a team that was entering AAA tourneys and quite honestly a 4-0 win for the A championship is not what I expected! I thought it would have been a blowout, this team must not have improved at all playing A!
Let's not take anything away from the Bears, who play a pretty good brand of hockey. It's really kind of a shame that tier hockey issues had to result in a situation like this, where there really aren't any winners. The Bears are a small regional club, that put together 2 competitive Bantam teams this year, and if not for rules violations at the Wave, would be celebrating championships in both divisions.
Ok, so kids got on a rink and played hockey. Nothing against the Wave, but for the good of their club, they need to clean up their act, before they further tarnish the reputation of their organization.
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This birth year, well 02/03, seems to have have this issue the last few years. A couple of years ago the Vacaville Jets destroyed everyone at PW-A. The following year it was Riptide. This year it was Wave3. I guess the kids don't really care at the end of the day/game. Parents are probably more bothered by it.
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Two 02s on WAVE 3.
Bears played very well and most importantly never quit. They can be truly proud of what they accomplished.
As for some of the comments on here... I promised I wouldn't say anything, and I won't, but don't assume you know everything that has gone on, because you don't.
These kids overcame tremendous challenges and the abuse just made them tighter. That's why they won and most importantly improved tremendously over the season.
Have a great summer.
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Crash:
You keep alluding to things like this, and use words like "abuse". You keep playing the victim card, when the reality is that your team made choices and decisions that resulted in them playing Bantam A when they should have been playing AA. I've read probably every post you've created on the matter, so I'm not sure I understand who you've promised something to. I'm not going to lie and pretend I haven't found these posts entertaining at times, and kept things lively, but in all seriousness, there's no glorious victory in stomping a division of teams that you shouldn't have been playing in the first place.
Unlike the Riptide Peewee A last season, you were not constrained by rules pertaining to your entire club. Unlike the Riptide, you really had no basis for an appeal. From what I've been told, the Riptide lost the appeal to the CAHA board that would have had them play AA by one vote. The Riptide team ultimately accomplished what they did with 10 skaters on the roster.
There just is no comparison I can see to your situation, which stems from rules violations of your coach from the year prior.
Your team could have taken the high road, played an independent schedule and made your reputation on the basis of scrimmages and tournaments. I'm not saying that wouldn't have been difficult, but it was feasible alteranative for you, and I would think would have been more meaningful than a season punctuated by far too many games against teams you should never have been playing that you were able to easily beat by 7-10 goals.
At any rate, good luck to your squad next season. Teams at this age don't tend to last long, as there are so many forces at play which pull them apart, given either success or failure.
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Crash:
You keep alluding to things like this, and use words like "abuse". You keep playing the victim card, when the reality is that your team made choices and decisions that resulted in them playing Peewee A when they should have been playing AA. I've read probably every post you've created on the matter, so I'm not sure I understand who you've promised something to. I'm not going to lie and pretend I haven't found these posts entertaining at times, and kept things lively, but in all seriousness, there's no glorious victory in stomping a division of teams that you shouldn't have been playing in the first place.
Unlike the Riptide Peewee A last season, you were not constrained by rules pertaining to your entire club. Unlike the Riptide, you really had no basis for an appeal. From what I've been told, the Riptide lost the appeal to the CAHA board that would have had them play AA by one vote. The Riptide team ultimately accomplished what they did with 10 skaters on the roster.
There just is no comparison I can see to your situation, which stems from rules violations of your coach from the year prior.
Your team could have taken the high road, played an independent schedule and made your reputation on the basis of scrimmages and tournaments. I'm not saying that wouldn't have been difficult, but it was feasible alteranative for you, and I would think would have been more meaningful than a season punctuated by far too many games against teams you should never have been playing that you were able to easily beat by 7-10 goals.
At any rate, good luck to your squad next season. Teams at this age don't tend to last long, as there are so many forces at play which pull them apart, given either success or failure.
Good post spot on almost. The Riptide lost the vote to move up to AA 0-21.
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These kids overcame tremendous challenges and the abuse just made them tighter. That's why they won and most importantly improved tremendously over the season.
Pretty sure nobody "abused" the kids so there was never anything to "overcome" there. Sure, the club, coach and probably several parents all took some abuse - they were the decision makers so were fair game. But please stop with "tremendous challenges" dogma, nobody is buying it. You guys cruised to a State Championship in a division that was clearly below you. Truth is, your team would have had a tough time making it to play downs in AA, so please enjoy your medals...quietly.
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These kids overcame tremendous challenges and the abuse just made them tighter. That's why they won and most importantly improved tremendously over the season.
Pretty sure nobody "abused" the kids so there was never anything to "overcome" there. Sure, the club, coach and probably several parents all took some abuse - they were the decision makers so were fair game. But please stop with "tremendous challenges" dogma, nobody is buying it. You guys cruised to a State Championship in a division that was clearly below you. Truth is, your team would have had a tough time making it to play downs in AA, so please enjoy your medals...quietly.
Agree the Wave team would of been about 10th or 11th in AA.
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The word 'abuse' was a bad choice, that's the only bone I'll throw you. "Road Apples" is what we call it back home.
What a bunch of sour grapes. When I wasn't on here for months, nobody else posted anything.
With respect to playing AA last season, not ONE of you would have taken the crap deal we were offered. Not one.
But don't worry. We'll be back next season causing more trouble. :-)
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The word 'abuse' was a bad choice, that's the only bone I'll throw you. "Road Apples" is what we call it back home.
What a bunch of sour grapes. When I wasn't on here for months, nobody else posted anything.
With respect to playing AA last season, not ONE of you would have taken the crap deal we were offered. Not one.
But don't worry. We'll be back next season causing more trouble. :-)
Holy crap, what a clown. Great, your CHILDS team won the State title, not you. Stop posting and acting like you were out there taking shifts. People like Crash are EVERYTHING that is wrong with Youth hockey. I am willing to bet that Crash bought himself a hoodie with the red "State Champions" stamp on it just so he may have the chance to explain to people how "we" instead "My child's team" won the State tournament and all of the obstacles they had to overcome throughout the season. Do other patents on the Wave3 team know about Crash coming online and running his fat mouth and all
Of the bullsh*t that comes out of it? If my son skates in this team I would tell this dipshit to shut his mouth and stop dragging the teams reputation through the mud.
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Holly Crap! Shots fired! Shots Fired! 8)
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Everyone is a hero online.
Love to see this guy coming over the blue line with his head down. :-)
I'm out. Have a great summer.
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Empty online promises.
What's the matter Crash, truth hurts? Next time I am in California I will keep my eyes peeled for the clown with the "State Champions" hoodie on.
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What's the matter Crash, truth hurts? Next time I am in California I will keep my eyes peeled for the clown with the "State Champions" hoodie on.
I'd pay money to see that! It'll be the guy with "We Got Screwed" embroidered on the front, or some cliche about overcoming adversity...
See you next year Crash, it should prove to be entertaining!
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In the end, it was all about the hoodie. That's understandable. Let's chip in and buy the guy one.
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In the end, it was all about the hoodie. That's understandable. Let's chip in and buy the guy one.
BTW, you're "the guy", and when I said I'd pay money it was to see you wearing it. ;D ;D ;D
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Congrats Wave 3.
Who is the leader for AA next season?
Bears/ Wave ( Artesia ) and maybe GSE?
I know the bears will have a big recruiting class as well as the Wave.
Any thoughts ?
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The hot rumor is that Tatavosian is one and done with the Wave... he is bailing out and heading to El Segundo. Does that mean the entire Wave 3 roster is going to be Kings next season? If so won't they have the same PDR problem again?
And honestly.... its not a rumor... its 100% true.
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The hot rumor is that Tatavosian is one and done with the Wave... he is bailing out and heading to El Segundo. Does that mean the entire Wave 3 roster is going to be Kings next season? If so won't they have the same PDR problem again?
And honestly.... its not a rumor... its 100% true.
And this explains why the PDR rule was changed back to 25%
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The hot rumor is that Tatavosian is one and done with the Wave... he is bailing out and heading to El Segundo. Does that mean the entire Wave 3 roster is going to be Kings next season? If so won't they have the same PDR problem again?
And honestly.... its not a rumor... its 100% true.
And this explains why the PDR rule was changed back to 25%
LOL! It's funny to think that, but not likely. The Rule for PDR was agreed for i think pretty much before the season even started or close to it. :D :D :D
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Sorry, I haven't looked it up, but aren't there still rules regarding block recruiting? If MT tried to take a majority of "his" Wave3 team with him, wouldn't that just be a different violation?
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Sorry, I haven't looked it up, but aren't there still rules regarding block recruiting? If MT tried to take a majority of "his" Wave3 team with him, wouldn't that just be a different violation?
That would be block recruitment and would result in no playoff eligibility. Right?
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The hot rumor is that Tatavosian is one and done with the Wave... he is bailing out and heading to El Segundo. Does that mean the entire Wave 3 roster is going to be Kings next season? If so won't they have the same PDR problem again?
And honestly.... its not a rumor... its 100% true.
Interesting. So which of the existing Kings teams is moving to the Wave to make room for them? 8)
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Sorry, I haven't looked it up, but aren't there still rules regarding block recruiting? If MT tried to take a majority of "his" Wave3 team with him, wouldn't that just be a different violation?
That would be block recruitment and would result in no playoff eligibility. Right?
CORRECT!
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Sorry, I haven't looked it up, but aren't there still rules regarding block recruiting? If MT tried to take a majority of "his" Wave3 team with him, wouldn't that just be a different violation?
That would be block recruitment and would result in no playoff eligibility. Right?
CORRECT!
Not for the JKs.........
"It's good to be the King !"........junior king ;)
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Sorry, I haven't looked it up, but aren't there still rules regarding block recruiting? If MT tried to take a majority of "his" Wave3 team with him, wouldn't that just be a different violation?
That would be block recruitment and would result in no playoff eligibility. Right?
CORRECT!
Not for the JKs.........
"It's good to be the King !"........junior king ;)
Has it happened? I honestly don't know.... Hopefully the new PDR rule will stop families from feeling they have to make that drive to play on underperforming AA teams just for the opportunity to play AAA!
PS - let me know when you get that money owed to you!! Hahaha!!!
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Is MT going to have a Bantam team at the Kings? Heard he was going to coach a Peewee AA team.
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Crash is oddly silent at the moment.
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Is MT going to have a Bantam team at the Kings? Heard he was going to coach a Peewee AA team.
I heard JK will not allow MT to have a Bantam team so, they cannot follow him. If this is true, how do those Bantam family's feel?
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Is MT going to have a Bantam team at the Kings? Heard he was going to coach a Peewee AA team.
I heard JK will not allow MT to have a Bantam team so, they cannot follow him. If this is true, how do those Bantam family's feel?
Hard to believe Kings wouldn't let him have a Bantam team. They would or could have two Bantam AA teams.
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Is MT going to have a Bantam team at the Kings? Heard he was going to coach a Peewee AA team.
I heard JK will not allow MT to have a Bantam team so, they cannot follow him. If this is true, how do those Bantam family's feel?
Hard to believe Kings wouldn't let him have a Bantam team. They would or could have two Bantam AA teams.
Problem is the Kings already have a Bantam AA 03 team, and an 04 AA team ready to move up. Let the musical chairs begin!
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Crash is oddly silent at the moment.
Right???
Would love his input on this actually... 8)
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Crash is oddly silent at the moment.
Right???
Would love his input on this actually... 8)
Crash is too busy on his Champinship press junket across the Nation.
For only $75, you can have your picture taken with the Bantam A State Banner, State Trophy, and the legendary man who overcame so much adversity and abuse: Mr. Crash!
Get tickets while they are still available in your city.
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Crash is oddly silent at the moment.
Right???
Would love his input on this actually... 8)
Crash is too busy on his Champinship press junket across the Nation.
For only $75, you can have your picture taken with the Bantam A State Banner, State Trophy, and the legendary man who overcame so much adversity and abuse: Mr. Crash!
Get tickets while they are still available in your city.
Winning! ;D
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Crash is in mourning for the late Don Rickles, and is unable to comment at this time. Thank you.
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Crash is in mourning for the late Don Rickles, and is unable to comment at this time. Thank you.
Talking in the 3rd person....nice...
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You're never lonely when you're a schizophrenic. :-)
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You're never lonely when you're a schizophrenic. :-)
You will also never drink or eat alone.