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Hockey Discussions => Midget Hockey => Topic started by: 1hockeydad on July 20, 2017, 01:13:37 PM
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Just heard that CAHA is under pressure from JK and JD clubs to force the Titans to quit AAA. The guise is that AAA hickey in CA is "too diluted. " So, effort is underway to have CAHA ask NAPHL to kick the Titans out of their umbrella.
On so many levels I find this sick, sad, and disgusting. No wonder in the youth hockey world that CA hockey is considered a joke and so bad politically.
I feel bad for kids in SD, and those who joined up with the Titans. The organization and the kids deserve better.
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They should have a good Junior hockey system here in the west coast...one that does not have 14-18 "imports" on a team and 4-6 spots for US kids...too bad NA3HL can't move out west...so few options for 01-97's
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CAHA is just so bad for Hockey in CA. Clubs should opt out of CAHA :'(
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Every time I hear the "too diluted" remark, I want to barf. Why do the big three automatically get AAA? If other clubs are more successful, why should they be forced to hand kids over? This is one big reason why families leave CA.
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Every time I hear the "too diluted" remark, I want to barf. Why do the big three automatically get AAA? If other clubs are more successful, why should they be forced to hand kids over? This is one big reason why families leave CA.
Totally agree. That and the politcal bs of JK and JD. While my kid isn't some superstar, he somehow wasn't good enough for his old team. Yet had two AAA offers for New England area teams. So we are gone. Good luck to you folks in CA.
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FAKE NEWS! The Ducks and Kings are not doing anything to try and get the Titans out of AAA. Proof please
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FAKE NEWS! The Ducks and Kings are not doing anything to try and get the Titans out of AAA. Proof please
You are kidding, right??
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FAKE NEWS! The Ducks and Kings are not doing anything to try and get the Titans out of AAA. Proof please
Lol
JK/JD (CAHA) are trying to keep EVERYONE, besides them, out of Tier 1. If San Diego was in closer proximity, they would take them out also.
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I'm with goumass. Where's the proof? Sounds like a conspiracy theory. I'm not sure the Kings and Ducks see the Titans as "competition". This isn't the Titans of old.
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I'm with goumass. Where's the proof? Sounds like a conspiracy theory. I'm not sure the Kings and Ducks see the Titans as "competition". This isn't the Titans of old.
Let's just say a little birdie with way more insider knowledge gave the info. The actual inital push has come from the JD. JK has pushed more now that the big Kings have gotten involved. If you know who just joined the Titans, as players and coaches, you will see what backs this.
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So U16's 6-35 (-111) and U18's 3-27 (-115) have nothing to do with this?
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Like it or not, and all politics aside, right now there are only 2 legitimate AAA clubs in CA. JD and JK in whatever order you want to put them.
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FAKE NEWS! The Ducks and Kings are not doing anything to try and get the Titans out of AAA. Proof please
WHY would you play AAA in New England. Send him there for Prep School not AAA Club.
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FAKE NEWS! The Ducks and Kings are not doing anything to try and get the Titans out of AAA. Proof please
WHY would you play AAA in New England. Send him there for Prep School not AAA Club.
Agree 100%
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Every time I hear the "too diluted" remark, I want to barf. Why do the big three automatically get AAA? If other clubs are more successful, why should they be forced to hand kids over? This is one big reason why families leave CA.
Totally agree. That and the politcal bs of JK and JD. While my kid isn't some superstar, he somehow wasn't good enough for his old team. Yet had two AAA offers for New England area teams. So we are gone. Good luck to you folks in CA.
WHY would you play AAA in New England. Send him there for Prep School not AAA Club
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Every time I hear the "too diluted" remark, I want to barf. Why do the big three automatically get AAA? If other clubs are more successful, why should they be forced to hand kids over? This is one big reason why families leave CA.
Totally agree. That and the politcal bs of JK and JD. While my kid isn't some superstar, he somehow wasn't good enough for his old team. Yet had two AAA offers for New England area teams. So we are gone. Good luck to you folks in CA.
WHY would you play AAA in New England. Send him there for Prep School not AAA Club
Never said my son was headed to New England AAA, just offers. Looking at Prep. Meanwhile, he is AAA in another state.
Regardless, this thread is about the attempt to limit AAA programs in CA. Which I find sad.
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Every time I hear the "too diluted" remark, I want to barf. Why do the big three automatically get AAA? If other clubs are more successful, why should they be forced to hand kids over? This is one big reason why families leave CA.
Totally agree. That and the politcal bs of JK and JD. While my kid isn't some superstar, he somehow wasn't good enough for his old team. Yet had two AAA offers for New England area teams. So we are gone. Good luck to you folks in CA.
WHY would you play AAA in New England. Send him there for Prep School not AAA Club
Never said my son was headed to New England AAA, just offers. Looking at Prep. Meanwhile, he is AAA in another state.
Regardless, this thread is about the attempt to limit AAA programs in CA. Which I find sad.
Just ask the Wildcats, Wave and Gulls if there is an concerted effort to limit AAA to the JK and JD. Look at who gets picked at the SCAHA and CAHA camps - not necessarily the best kids but the ones who are connected to JK, JD and JS (and in the west, going to PacificDivision is the only thing that gets scouted) The JK (more than then JD) get these coaches that the families can't stand and so the parents look for alternatives like Titans, Wave, Wildcats, etc and the JK have to find ways to stop the kids from jumping ship. This is why we went back to prep school, not because we love the terrible weather, but because there is year-round excellent hockey there with year-round scouting and hundreds of good teams and D1 and D3 schools with decent access to those coaches. If CAHA want to really turn California into a hockey Mecca (be a location like Minnesota, Wisconsin, New England) then they need to figure out how to keep players here and to do that you need more than just 2 or 3 AAA teams to compete against on a regular basis. Making parents travel 10 times a season to Tier1 weekends kills the kids grades and guess what, D1 and D3 won't touch your kid with under a 3.0 GPA and less than a 1250 SAT score.
I predicted 5 years ago that High School hockey would kill 16/18 AA hockey, and that's pretty much the case today except what I didn't see, was that Varsity Hockey would drop from AA level to A level (like it was last year). Putting my wizard hat on, here's what I see: CAHA 16AAA/18AAA are going to die within a few years as 17 and 18 year olds move to the WSHL instead of 18AAA (more teams, more ice time, play with european kids, slightly better than 18AAA quality, gets some national attention), 16AAA kids will start applying to mid-west AAA clubs or Prep-School more and more and all that will be left here is watered down high school and Tahoe Prep. That may force entrepreneurial individuals to create non-CAHA teams like the Arizona Bobcats to fill the void but you'll still not have enough AAA level talent left locally to get weekly high-quality hockey. CAHA - you need MORE TEAMS not LESS!!! and you need fair SCAHA/CAHA camps - not rigged. Make California Great Again!!!!
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Even if every CA kid stayed in CA there still would not be enough talent to have more than 3 competitive AAA teams. This is not MN or NE and never will be. Parents need to get a clue and be realistic, but that is never going to happen. So the debate will continue age group after age group.
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Even if every CA kid stayed in CA there still would not be enough talent to have more than 3 competitive AAA teams. This is not MN or NE and never will be. Parents need to get a clue and be realistic, but that is never going to happen. So the debate will continue age group after age group.
Disagree. There is plenty of talent for more than 3 competitive AAA teams. Just count how many kids leave CA because of the crap from coaches and politics.
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Every time I hear the "too diluted" remark, I want to barf. Why do the big three automatically get AAA? If other clubs are more successful, why should they be forced to hand kids over? This is one big reason why families leave CA.
Totally agree. That and the politcal bs of JK and JD. While my kid isn't some superstar, he somehow wasn't good enough for his old team. Yet had two AAA offers for New England area teams. So we are gone. Good luck to you folks in CA.
WHY would you play AAA in New England. Send him there for Prep School not AAA Club
Never said my son was headed to New England AAA, just offers. Looking at Prep. Meanwhile, he is AAA in another state.
Regardless, this thread is about the attempt to limit AAA programs in CA. Which I find sad.
Just ask the Wildcats, Wave and Gulls if there is an concerted effort to limit AAA to the JK and JD. Look at who gets picked at the SCAHA and CAHA camps - not necessarily the best kids but the ones who are connected to JK, JD and JS (and in the west, going to PacificDivision is the only thing that gets scouted) The JK (more than then JD) get these coaches that the families can't stand and so the parents look for alternatives like Titans, Wave, Wildcats, etc and the JK have to find ways to stop the kids from jumping ship. This is why we went back to prep school, not because we love the terrible weather, but because there is year-round excellent hockey there with year-round scouting and hundreds of good teams and D1 and D3 schools with decent access to those coaches. If CAHA want to really turn California into a hockey Mecca (be a location like Minnesota, Wisconsin, New England) then they need to figure out how to keep players here and to do that you need more than just 2 or 3 AAA teams to compete against on a regular basis. Making parents travel 10 times a season to Tier1 weekends kills the kids grades and guess what, D1 and D3 won't touch your kid with under a 3.0 GPA and less than a 1250 SAT score.
I predicted 5 years ago that High School hockey would kill 16/18 AA hockey, and that's pretty much the case today except what I didn't see, was that Varsity Hockey would drop from AA level to A level (like it was last year). Putting my wizard hat on, here's what I see: CAHA 16AAA/18AAA are going to die within a few years as 17 and 18 year olds move to the WSHL instead of 18AAA (more teams, more ice time, play with european kids, slightly better than 18AAA quality, gets some national attention), 16AAA kids will start applying to mid-west AAA clubs or Prep-School more and more and all that will be left here is watered down high school and Tahoe Prep. That may force entrepreneurial individuals to create non-CAHA teams like the Arizona Bobcats to fill the void but you'll still not have enough AAA level talent left locally to get weekly high-quality hockey. CAHA - you need MORE TEAMS not LESS!!! and you need fair SCAHA/CAHA camps - not rigged. Make California Great Again!!!!
Amen
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JK and JD have full teams with 20 kids each. MAYBE there are CA kids that have left, combined with some kids not on JK and JD that could make up a third AAA team, but there are definitely not 20-40 additional kids to fill out teams 4 and 5. JK and JD don't miss very often on AAA kids. I know that is not what parents want to hear but it is it reality. Right now they are the only legitimate and consistent AAA programs in CA.
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I agree with your numbers. A third socal team at most - TODAY. 4th liners from JK and JD would probably make the move, especially if geography improves. And the 2 to 3 per team AAA capable kids in the AA ranks might make the jump if the added cost and drive time is acceptable. But CAHA has to want to do it for the health of the system, even if it makes JK and JD less of a concentrated draw for them. We've done both up and down as the circumstances presented, seen both dynamics and some benefits. But the current set up is not very appealing to us. And many parents of kids still in AAA will tell you privately that AAA does not provide the cost/time benefit for them as well. They just don't have another good option at this point in time. But they keep looking.
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There should only be 2 So. CA nd 1 No. CA AAA teams at all levels and it should not always be Kings, Ducks or Sharks!
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BS - the numbers should depend on the talent available in each birth year.
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CAHA is concerned about fielding 1-2 competitive teams on the national stage at each birth year and that is about it.
CAHA's intentions at the lower levels is non-existent or worse. An $865,000 money grab for the city of San Jose making all 12, 14 & 16 AA players go up there over Labor Day. Nice use of resources, good job, way to grow the sport!
It's on a parent to develop their player, CAHA isn't doing shit.
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CAHA is concerned about fielding 1-2 competitive teams on the national stage at each birth year and that is about it.
CAHA's intentions at the lower levels is non-existent or worse. An $865,000 money grab for the city of San Jose making all 12, 14 & 16 AA players go up there over Labor Day. Nice use of resources, good job, way to grow the sport!
It's on a parent to develop their player, CAHA isn't doing shit.
Shots fired!
Great freakin post.
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So did the Titans lose their NA3HL status? I keep hearing rumors, but the website still says they have it. Just curious...
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BS - the numbers should depend on the talent available in each birth year.
And what upcoming birth year is going to change what has been the norm for years?
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BS - the numbers should depend on the talent available in each birth year.
And what upcoming birth year is going to change what has been the norm for years?
There was a promising group of 2013's at learn to skate a few weeks back. Ducks are talking to the parents to keep this group of young talent together. Talk is they are the next super team. Probably win the Brick and then National Championships.
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So did the Titans lose their NA3HL status? I keep hearing rumors, but the website still says they have it. Just curious...
That goes to the origin of this thread. CAHA has put pressure on NAPHL to force Titans out. That way CAHA doesn't look like the bad guy
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CAHA is concerned about fielding 1-2 competitive teams on the national stage at each birth year and that is about it.
CAHA's intentions at the lower levels is non-existent or worse. An $865,000 money grab for the city of San Jose making all 12, 14 & 16 AA players go up there over Labor Day. Nice use of resources, good job, way to grow the sport!
It's on a parent to develop their player, CAHA isn't doing shit.
There might be a lot of reasons to dislike the system but claiming it is a "money grab" isn't borne by the facts. Subtract expenses and we are not talking about much money.
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What the heck are the JK and JD afraid of? Outside of CAHA, they don't even play in the same league. JK afraid of being embarrassed by their "perceived" lesser competitors like when they fell to the Gulls last season? Or, perhaps they are afraid of being embarrassed by those they cut who went to the Titans who now have two solid goalies? Let the kids play...it is their best chance at scout exposure and away from the select camps that we all know are extremely biased towards them.
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CAHA is concerned about fielding 1-2 competitive teams on the national stage at each birth year and that is about it.
CAHA's intentions at the lower levels is non-existent or worse. An $865,000 money grab for the city of San Jose making all 12, 14 & 16 AA players go up there over Labor Day. Nice use of resources, good job, way to grow the sport!
It's on a parent to develop their player, CAHA isn't doing shit.
My son's team made it to the CAHA playoffs last season. During one of the games, I ended up sitting next to a CAHA director. I asked him why if there are more teams down south why all of the playoffs, etc. are held in San Jose. His comment back was that was due to there being 4 rinks available at one location. He thought that maybe after the new Ducks rink is built in Irvine perhaps they can move some of the activities down south. Not buying it...just passing on his comments.
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I think that is a legit response. It's a nice facility and can accommodate multiple divisions due to the 4 sheets. But to your point...Once the Great Park complex is done they can bid not only on Districts but Nationals as well. Good for So Cal when that happens
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There should only be 2 So. CA nd 1 No. CA AAA teams at all levels and it should not always be Kings, Ducks or Sharks!
I agree with the premise that AAA should not always be Kings, Ducks or Sharks. This is America people, home of the free market! If a Club can attract AAA talent they should be allowed to foster and grow that talent. Rinks are full of kids right now and I'm tired of hearing that there aren't enough good players to field more than 2 AAA teams in SoCal. The only thing keeping them down is the insanity of the CAHA board changing the rules every freakin' year and the JK's constantly having coaches that parents and kids can't stand so they have to keep shifting the rules to prevent competition. SoCal is losing talent as I've said many times because there is a lack of choice and there is no scouting here and there is no reason to scout here because there AREN'T ENOUGH TEAMS to draw scouts or OUTSIDE TALENT.
This month's rubber magazine lists the 5-6 kids who got into the 2017 NHL draft and it amazingly admitted that most of them left SoCal after their PeeWee years. Is that what CAHA wants? The only way to get into central scouting is by leaving after PeeWee?????
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Let's face it. CAHA is just out of step with both USA Hockey and the more established youth hockey markets.
Look at the Atlantic Youth Hockey League. 18 teams, all birth year AAA at multiple age groups. 12 AAA 18u teams this season. And this is in an area with robust High school hockey leagues.
The Boston Hockey League has 18 clubs, all of which have AAA birth year teams at multiple age groups.
The goal in all these markets is to get kids into AAA competition, not keep them out. There are enough economic factors at work here that already do that.
USA Hockey says not to over specialize at a young age, and not to pick winners and losers at this age either, and that is what the CAHA system is doing at present.
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Let's face it. CAHA is just out of step with both USA Hockey and the more established youth hockey markets.
Look at the Atlantic Youth Hockey League. 18 teams, all birth year AAA at multiple age groups. 12 AAA 18u teams this season. And this is in an area with robust High school hockey leagues.
The Boston Hockey League has 18 clubs, all of which have AAA birth year teams at multiple age groups.
The goal in all these markets is to get kids into AAA competition, not keep them out. There are enough economic factors at work here that already do that.
USA Hockey says not to over specialize at a young age, and not to pick winners and losers at this age either, and that is what the CAHA system is doing at present.
Here it is in a nutshell. The problem with CAHA is so obvious ....The President...never played. The VP..never played. 2nd VP...never played. 3rd VP...Club hockey in Oregon and a beer league champ...4th VP never played !!!! NONE of them have ever played the game...how on earth can they develop kids in a sport they have never even played? There has to be hockey knowledge at the top!!! Let's get some hockey people in charge to run this state's hockey association the right way. There are a few names on the board with a lot of hockey talent and actual hockey experience...but they are buried down low with very little say so. CAHA has become a laughing stock to all those that understand the wonderful game of hockey and the number of kids leaving the state to better themselves will continue to increase until they pull their collective heads out of their ......
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Let's face it. CAHA is just out of step with both USA Hockey and the more established youth hockey markets.
Look at the Atlantic Youth Hockey League. 18 teams, all birth year AAA at multiple age groups. 12 AAA 18u teams this season. And this is in an area with robust High school hockey leagues.
The Boston Hockey League has 18 clubs, all of which have AAA birth year teams at multiple age groups.
The goal in all these markets is to get kids into AAA competition, not keep them out. There are enough economic factors at work here that already do that.
USA Hockey says not to over specialize at a young age, and not to pick winners and losers at this age either, and that is what the CAHA system is doing at present.
Here it is in a nutshell. The problem with CAHA is so obvious ....The President...never played. The VP..never played. 2nd VP...never played. 3rd VP...Club hockey in Oregon and a beer league champ...4th VP never played !!!! NONE of them have ever played the game...how on earth can they develop kids in a sport they have never even played? There has to be hockey knowledge at the top!!! Let's get some hockey people in charge to run this state's hockey association the right way. There are a few names on the board with a lot of hockey talent and actual hockey experience...but they are buried down low with very little say so. CAHA has become a laughing stock to all those that understand the wonderful game of hockey and the number of kids leaving the state to better themselves will continue to increase until they pull their collective heads out of their ......
While I don't think it hurts I am not sure that playing the game of hockey adds that much to being able to successful manage a hockey organization. Many owners never played the game.
Would it disqualify a Surgeon from removing your cancer if he had not had cancer himself?
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For those who have been around for a bit on these forums, what CAHA is doing is what several have complained about in the past.
Several years ago AAA at most levels was being diluted by parents and clubs who felt their snowflake should be on a AAA team. You had some power houses back than at LA Selects and Jr Kings. The Jr Ducks AAA was a not very competitive. Anyways you always had the 3rd and 4th liners who felt they should be first liners. They often left to go to other clubs to be the first liners. Those teams than had to get questionable AA players to fill out the rosters. So in the end you had teams that maybe had 3 or 4 kids that could be AAA caliber subsidized with non-AAA kids. If you want to look at the biggest culprit of this look at the Wildcats out of KHS. For years people would complain about clubs like this and how they were diluting AAA in SoCal and how it was preventing the "true" AAA teams from finding good local competition to play against. Parents would complain that CAHA should do something because it was a waste of money, time, and fairness that their little superstar team had to waste a weekend playing against another team with disgruntled 3rd/4th liners or cut kids from tryouts. They suggested that CAHA either limit the number of teams allowed to play AAA, or suggest that there be a seeding based of a preseason type tournament (sound familiar). Even suggesting that CAHA should force teams to drop if they don't believe that the lower teams can be competitive.
Now the pendulum is swinging the other way. Seams to me that CAHA is "listening" to the people.
I do not support or object to what CAHA is doing, I really don't care. But I have been an observer on these forums since they started, a coach at a few clubs, and have had a child go through the system and another mid way through.
I do support Puck Yeah's comment that because you have not played means that you cannot successfully manage a program.
So how do you find the happy place. Limited the number of teams to keep them competitive against each other and to insure they play against other kids at the same caliber regardless if it stymies market control.
Or let the market decide and dilute the system where the top talent keeps leaving because the system is too diluted. Either way, people will leave to go back east because they can and feel that is what is right for them.
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Let's face it. CAHA is just out of step with both USA Hockey and the more established youth hockey markets.
Look at the Atlantic Youth Hockey League. 18 teams, all birth year AAA at multiple age groups. 12 AAA 18u teams this season. And this is in an area with robust High school hockey leagues.
The Boston Hockey League has 18 clubs, all of which have AAA birth year teams at multiple age groups.
The goal in all these markets is to get kids into AAA competition, not keep them out. There are enough economic factors at work here that already do that.
USA Hockey says not to over specialize at a young age, and not to pick winners and losers at this age either, and that is what the CAHA system is doing at present.
Here it is in a nutshell. The problem with CAHA is so obvious ....The President...never played. The VP..never played. 2nd VP...never played. 3rd VP...Club hockey in Oregon and a beer league champ...4th VP never played !!!! NONE of them have ever played the game...how on earth can they develop kids in a sport they have never even played? There has to be hockey knowledge at the top!!! Let's get some hockey people in charge to run this state's hockey association the right way. There are a few names on the board with a lot of hockey talent and actual hockey experience...but they are buried down low with very little say so. CAHA has become a laughing stock to all those that understand the wonderful game of hockey and the number of kids leaving the state to better themselves will continue to increase until they pull their collective heads out of their ......
While I don't think it hurts I am not sure that playing the game of hockey adds that much to being able to successful manage a hockey organization. Many owners never played the game.
Would it disqualify a Surgeon from removing your cancer if he had not had cancer himself?
So Puck Yea is on the board !!! lol A Surgeon has been trained,groomed, walked the walk and learned how to evolve into a Surgeon. The current top end board members have never played single A hockey let alone groom a successful AAA program...how can they possibly know what they are doing or know how to shape something they have never had their hands on...your Surgeon analogy carries no weight!!! you cannot learn how to groom a hockey player or hockey program when you do not even know how to skate !!! Then your comment "many owners have never played" DUH!!! look around and count how many former players are running these organizations for the "owners that have never played"...there is a reason. Because the owner is trying to develop a winner and does not know how to skate!!!
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For those who have been around for a while Portent is right on. But no matter what the situation there are going to be those who will never be happy and always complain, that's just life. If you are honest with yourself about your kids abilities you will find the right answers. For those who are not honest with themselves they will continue to complain and chase.
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Let's face it. CAHA is just out of step with both USA Hockey and the more established youth hockey markets.
Look at the Atlantic Youth Hockey League. 18 teams, all birth year AAA at multiple age groups. 12 AAA 18u teams this season. And this is in an area with robust High school hockey leagues.
The Boston Hockey League has 18 clubs, all of which have AAA birth year teams at multiple age groups.
The goal in all these markets is to get kids into AAA competition, not keep them out. There are enough economic factors at work here that already do that.
USA Hockey says not to over specialize at a young age, and not to pick winners and losers at this age either, and that is what the CAHA system is doing at present.
Here it is in a nutshell. The problem with CAHA is so obvious ....The President...never played. The VP..never played. 2nd VP...never played. 3rd VP...Club hockey in Oregon and a beer league champ...4th VP never played !!!! NONE of them have ever played the game...how on earth can they develop kids in a sport they have never even played? There has to be hockey knowledge at the top!!! Let's get some hockey people in charge to run this state's hockey association the right way. There are a few names on the board with a lot of hockey talent and actual hockey experience...but they are buried down low with very little say so. CAHA has become a laughing stock to all those that understand the wonderful game of hockey and the number of kids leaving the state to better themselves will continue to increase until they pull their collective heads out of their ......
While I don't think it hurts I am not sure that playing the game of hockey adds that much to being able to successful manage a hockey organization. Many owners never played the game.
Would it disqualify a Surgeon from removing your cancer if he had not had cancer himself?
So Puck Yea is on the board !!! lol A Surgeon has been trained,groomed, walked the walk and learned how to evolve into a Surgeon. The current top end board members have never played single A hockey let alone groom a successful AAA program...how can they possibly know what they are doing or know how to shape something they have never had their hands on...your Surgeon analogy carries no weight!!! you cannot learn how to groom a hockey player or hockey program when you do not even know how to skate !!! Then your comment "many owners have never played" DUH!!! look around and count how many former players are running these organizations for the "owners that have never played"...there is a reason. Because the owner is trying to develop a winner and does not know how to skate!!!
That settles it. You win the the debate by virtue of the number of exclamation points used!!! This is obviously an emotional issue for you. Me? not so much. I used a surgeon example as a generalization. I could have used any number of examples. Picking apart a generalization to advance your own argument seems a bit over the top to me. Sometimes an argument is so devoid of substance that it becomes invincible. You win. It won't change a damn thing but, you win. Feel better? Take a xanax and climb down off the wall. You are ruining the drapes.
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take deep breath P.Y. and relax. you are going to have a nervous breakdown. you make some good points at times, but he was just pointing out your analogy didn't make any sense this time. you need to grow a thicker skin if you want to keep posting here.
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take deep breath P.Y. and relax. you are going to have a nervous breakdown. you make some good points at times, but he was just pointing out your analogy didn't make any sense this time. you need to grow a thicker skin if you want to keep posting here.
I don't no where you get the impression that I am the least bit bothered but the post. I was actually pointing out how over the top it was to use more than a dozen exclamation points. Just like yelling doesn't improve ones point neither does it in the written word.
I stand by my position that is is silly to presume that you must be or have been a hockey player to be capable of managing an organization.
Next thing you know you two will suggest you must be a politician to be President.......
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take deep breath P.Y. and relax. you are going to have a nervous breakdown. you make some good points at times, but he was just pointing out your analogy didn't make any sense this time. you need to grow a thicker skin if you want to keep posting here.
I don't no where you get the impression that I am the least bit bothered but the post. I was actually pointing out how over the top it was to use more than a dozen exclamation points. Just like yelling doesn't improve ones point neither does it in the written word.
I stand by my position that is is silly to presume that you must be or have been a hockey player to be capable of managing an organization.
Next thing you know you two will suggest you must be a politician to be President.......
And there in lies the problem. You just don't get it, as does the board of CAHA. Do you think Philip Anschutz knows anything about putting a great hockey team together? Or did he hire Rob Blake to make it work? That is my analogy and it make far more sense than any argument you have made. The upper, decision making board is made up on NON Hockey people trying to make Hockey sense. Evidently you have never played the game or my point would make sense to you. And no, you do not have to be a politician to be President you have to be a politician to be Presidential !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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take deep breath P.Y. and relax. you are going to have a nervous breakdown. you make some good points at times, but he was just pointing out your analogy didn't make any sense this time. you need to grow a thicker skin if you want to keep posting here.
I don't no where you get the impression that I am the least bit bothered but the post. I was actually pointing out how over the top it was to use more than a dozen exclamation points. Just like yelling doesn't improve ones point neither does it in the written word.
I stand by my position that is is silly to presume that you must be or have been a hockey player to be capable of managing an organization.
Next thing you know you two will suggest you must be a politician to be President.......
And there in lies the problem. You just don't get it, as does the board of CAHA. Do you think Philip Anschutz knows anything about putting a great hockey team together? Or did he hire Rob Blake to make it work? That is my analogy and it make far more sense than any argument you have made. The upper, decision making board is made up on NON Hockey people trying to make Hockey sense. Evidently you have never played the game or my point would make sense to you. And no, you do not have to be a politician to be President you have to be a politician to be Presidential !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am sorry, I am just not that invested in the debate as it is pointless. You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had. Bitching on a hockey forum has no effect positive or negative. It is a futile waste of energy.
Maybe you should become a board member and create a West Coast hockey empire with your knowledge of the game DTG? Apparently a couple years of Bantam travel and you become a organizational mastermind.
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DTG:Other than hiring Gretzky or Orr, what specific things should CAHA do to improve or promoteyouth hockey in California? BTW. Sam Pollock was the greatest GM in NHL history, and he never played at an advanced level.
Having said that, I don't see how limiting the number of AAA teams helps. If an organization can't field a competitive team, the other teams don't have to play it. More teams means more opportunities for kids who are still developing and want to pursue their dreams, or their parents' dreams. I just read about a goalie drafted by NHL who played for Titans' 18U before juniors and college. Would he have had that opportunity if he hadn't played for Titans?
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I have a question, what defines a "competitive team?" Wins and losses, +/-, GD, or the ever popular argument -"it is a development year".
The reason I ask is because like Puck Yeah said, people will complain regardless. Limit the teams and people will complain about less opportunity. Let the clubs choose and you dilute the market decreasing the competitiveness overall and people complain. A market with too many diluted teams means the higher teams have to go to more tournaments out of state to play "equal caliber" teams thus spending more money. Limiting the number of teams means not enough teams to play locally so now they have to spend more money to go out of state tournaments. Again, people will complain regardless. As I stated before, I don't care which way it goes. I do take issue with the CAHA board bashing though. Say what you want, but you are ignorant if you think the board members don't care or are not at least trying something different. Their decisions may be right or wrong for hockey, but they are trying something.
Go back on the CAHA standings page and look at the previous 7 years worth of history. Look at all the AAA levels and see competitive looks like.
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I have a question, what defines a "competitive team?" Wins and losses, +/-, GD, or the ever popular argument -"it is a development year".
The reason I ask is because like Puck Yeah said, people will complain regardless. Limit the teams and people will complain about less opportunity. Let the clubs choose and you dilute the market decreasing the competitiveness overall and people complain. A market with too many diluted teams means the higher teams have to go to more tournaments out of state to play "equal caliber" teams thus spending more money. Limiting the number of teams means not enough teams to play locally so now they have to spend more money to go out of state tournaments. Again, people will complain regardless. As I stated before, I don't care which way it goes. I do take issue with the CAHA board bashing though. Say what you want, but you are ignorant if you think the board members don't care or are not at least trying something different. Their decisions may be right or wrong for hockey, but they are trying something.
Go back on the CAHA standings page and look at the previous 7 years worth of history. Look at all the AAA levels and see competitive looks like.
Coaches are always going to want to go out of state and parents buy in. Plus either with or without the teams at AAA you have no choice. The fact of the matter remains that the system is failing. Almost all the very best kids leave. Acadad summed it up best, the "CAHA board is out of step with USA Hockey and the more established youth hockey markets." The argument that California doesn't have the players no longer holds up. No we aren't MN, MI or MA, but we are a very large hockey market for USA Hockey.
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Is CA a large market for USA Hockey in terms of number of players or quality of players? There is big difference, and this seems to be the issue of the debate as to how many AAA teams should be in CA.
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Is CA a large market for USA Hockey in terms of number of players or quality of players? There is big difference, and this seems to be the issue of the debate as to how many AAA teams should be in CA.
Agreed, except there are still political games, snd favorites of coaches at the expense of other kids. My kid had a bad experience with his coach who cut his time. Yet two other coaches of AAA teams in the organization liked my son, and totally felt he was getting a bad deal. He played on a Canadian tournament team, yet his coach looked at him as not as worthy as the kids who had been on the team for years. So yes, what makes a kid "AAA"? And who is to decide? Now he is on another AAA team elsewhere, with a coach who looks forward to helping develop him as a player and young man.
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Is CA a large market for USA Hockey in terms of number of players or quality of players? There is big difference, and this seems to be the issue of the debate as to how many AAA teams should be in CA.
Agreed, except there are still political games, snd favorites of coaches at the expense of other kids. My kid had a bad experience with his coach who cut his time. Yet two other coaches of AAA teams in the organization liked my son, and totally felt he was getting a bad deal. He played on a Canadian tournament team, yet his coach looked at him as not as worthy as the kids who had been on the team for years. So yes, what makes a kid "AAA"? And who is to decide? Now he is on another AAA team elsewhere, with a coach who looks forward to helping develop him as a player and young man.
If you find this mythical place that lacks political games and favoritism let me know. I want grab the pot of gold that awaits and ride a unicorn out of there. It is human nature. It can't be escaped. Life isn't fair and we all just have to try to make the best decisions under the circumstances as they present themselves. Many times what we think is a raw deal turns out to be for the best in hindsight.
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In 2015-16, USA hockey (per their website) had registered 364,500 total players that were 18 or under. 11,680 of these were from California, or 3.2%. 2016-17 numbers don't seem to be posted yet. Per the MHR tier 1 rankings for 2016-17:
four 18U teams out of 134 -> 3.0% CA based (#27, #50, #85, #114) average performing
five 16U teams out of 147 ->3.4% CA based (#21, #43, #68, #82, #102) over performing
four 15U teams out of 80 ->5.0% CA based (#23, #29, #41, #56) over performing
three 2002 teams out of 109 ->2.8% CA based (#36, #39, #57) over performing
four 2003 teams out of 97 ->4.1% CA based (#3, #50, #60, #87) top heavy
four 2004 teams out of 92 ->4.3% CA based (#11, #15, #32, #56) high performing
three 2005 teams out of 90 ->3.3% CA based (#6, #15, #55) high performing
The numbers suggest California tends to be slightly over represented, while demonstrating the quality to back it up. CAHA deserves at least some credit for that. But it would seem there may be a little more room at a birthyear or two for perhaps one more AAA team, if the talent is available, ready, and willing. Part of the problem may be that 1/3 of that remaining marginal AAA talent is in Norcal and 2/3 in Socal...maybe they could practice and play out of Bakersfield.
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In 2015-16, USA hockey (per their website) had registered 364,500 total players that were 18 or under. 11,680 of these were from California, or 3.2%. 2016-17 numbers don't seem to be posted yet. Per the MHR tier 1 rankings for 2016-17:
four 18U teams out of 134 -> 3.0% CA based (#27, #50, #85, #114) average performing
five 16U teams out of 147 ->3.4% CA based (#21, #43, #68, #82, #102) over performing
four 15U teams out of 80 ->5.0% CA based (#23, #29, #41, #56) over performing
three 2002 teams out of 109 ->2.8% CA based (#36, #39, #57) over performing
four 2003 teams out of 97 ->4.1% CA based (#3, #50, #60, #87) top heavy
four 2004 teams out of 92 ->4.3% CA based (#11, #15, #32, #56) high performing
three 2005 teams out of 90 ->3.3% CA based (#6, #15, #55) high performing
The numbers suggest California tends to be slightly over represented, while demonstrating the quality to back it up. CAHA deserves at least some credit for that. But it would seem there may be a little more room at a birthyear or two for perhaps one more AAA team, if the talent is available, ready, and willing. Part of the problem may be that 1/3 of that remaining marginal AAA talent is in Norcal and 2/3 in Socal...maybe they could practice and play out of Bakersfield.
Nice analysis.
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According to USA Hockey tier 1 roster spots should be limited to 15% of the total players in an age group for the affiliate (CAHA). So figure out what 15% of the total number of midget aged players there are in the CAHA, then divide that number by 20 (approximate roster size) and that will give you the answer to how many AAA midget teams there should be in California.
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According to USA Hockey tier 1 roster spots should be limited to 15% of the total players in an age group for the affiliate (CAHA). So figure out what 15% of the total number of midget aged players there are in the CAHA, then divide that number by 20 (approximate roster size) and that will give you the answer to how many AAA midget teams there should be in California.
There were 1,700 Midget 16s in the 2015-16 season.
By comparison CO has 1250 members and and four 16UAAA and four 15UAAA.
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According to USA Hockey tier 1 roster spots should be limited to 15% of the total players in an age group for the affiliate (CAHA). So figure out what 15% of the total number of midget aged players there are in the CAHA, then divide that number by 20 (approximate roster size) and that will give you the answer to how many AAA midget teams there should be in California.
As I stated before, CAHA is out of step with USA Hockey on many levels and issues. Thanks for providing such a simple formula.
I think it's actually far worse of a situation given that many people have been discouraged at AAA and AA from even considering it as an option due to the costs associated with extensive travel. The midget numbers are decreasing as people choose High school as a low cost alternative, rather than a supplement.
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According to USA Hockey tier 1 roster spots should be limited to 15% of the total players in an age group for the affiliate (CAHA). So figure out what 15% of the total number of midget aged players there are in the CAHA, then divide that number by 20 (approximate roster size) and that will give you the answer to how many AAA midget teams there should be in California.
As I stated before, CAHA is out of step with USA Hockey on many levels and issues. Thanks for providing such a simple formula.
I think it's actually far worse of a situation given that many people have been discouraged at AAA and AA from even considering it as an option due to the costs associated with extensive travel. The midget numbers are decreasing as people choose High school as a low cost alternative, rather than a supplement.
Actually midget membership is up 6% in 2016-17 or 2015-16. I am not sure I would call HS a "low cost alternative" especially once the subsidies dry up.
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The big cost in AAA is not primarily the fees, but the cost of travel to compete with other AAA teams around the country and in Canada. This is partially a function of CAHA and the geography involved, but it makes it an essential requirement when you have 2-3 teams in your AAA league.
At just about any club around, you can see that hockey is in an echo-boom period following the Kings 2 stanley cups. Hockey membership should be up, and you can see that the entry level programs are bursting with kids.
While High school may not be free it's still cheaper than travel hockey, but again, in a lot of other hockey markets, kids are playing High school because they want that experience, but they are often also playing travel hockey as well. That is my point.
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Just heard that CAHA is under pressure from JK and JD clubs to force the Titans to quit AAA. The guise is that AAA hickey in CA is "too diluted. " So, effort is underway to have CAHA ask NAPHL to kick the Titans out of their umbrella.
On so many levels I find this sick, sad, and disgusting. No wonder in the youth hockey world that CA hockey is considered a joke and so bad politically.
I feel bad for kids in SD, and those who joined up with the Titans. The organization and the kids deserve better.
does this have anything to do with them losing their AAA programs, because i don't see any other teams declared except for the two AAA teams.
from caha rules
b. Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at the Tier II level in the current and previous season. c. With Youth Council’s recommendation, the CAHA board has the
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Just heard that CAHA is under pressure from JK and JD clubs to force the Titans to quit AAA. The guise is that AAA hickey in CA is "too diluted. " So, effort is underway to have CAHA ask NAPHL to kick the Titans out of their umbrella.
On so many levels I find this sick, sad, and disgusting. No wonder in the youth hockey world that CA hockey is considered a joke and so bad politically.
I feel bad for kids in SD, and those who joined up with the Titans. The organization and the kids deserve better.
does this have anything to do with them losing their AAA programs, because i don't see any other teams declared except for the two AAA teams.
from caha rules
b. Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at the Tier II level in the current and previous season. c. With Youth Council’s recommendation, the CAHA board has the
Titans have had U18 and U16 AAA for a number of seasons.
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it says teams must field 2 current AA teams if they want to make a AAA team.
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They only have 1 AA team at the Mariners which is their feeder club!
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Per the Mariners website, it shows they have 12UAA and 14UAA. I thought there was a 16UAA team as well, although it isn't listed right now.
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Per the Mariners website, it shows they have 12UAA and 14UAA. I thought there was a 16UAA team as well, although it isn't listed right now.
The Mariners don't update their website often. There is only a 14UAA team.
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Per the Mariners website, it shows they have 12UAA and 14UAA. I thought there was a 16UAA team as well, although it isn't listed right now.
The Mariners don't update their website often. There is only a 14UAA team.
They declared a 16AA on SCAHA. From the rumors (yes, rumors) I have heard, it will just be a filler for qualifying the Titans.
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Last yearJK only had one bantam AA team but had two AAA teams in 14u division. Rules are meant for clubs other than JK , JD etc
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Last yearJK only had one bantam AA team but had two AAA teams in 14u division. Rules are meant for clubs other than JK , JD etc
The rule requires two AA teams at any level. They don't have to be in the same age group.
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They are trying to put together a 16AA team made up of JV high school players so they can keep their AAA team. But if CAHA does what they say they will do at the Jamboree they will move the 16AA team down to A and there goes the AAA team!
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They are trying to put together a 16AA team made up of JV high school players so they can keep their AAA team. But if CAHA does what they say they will do at the Jamboree they will move the 16AA team down to A and there goes the AAA team!
I am not sure that is the goal of the flight system. If I understand it correctly, the lesser teams will be assigned to the 2nd flight but will remain AA. The tier I rule only says two AA teams must be "maintained".
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Rumors are circulating that the 16AAA Titans would play in the NAPHL, and also play 16AA in CAHA. Anyone?
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I have no personal insight on the situation or rumor, but I doubt the NAPHL allows a AA team to play in their league.
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There you go...
http://naphl.com/teams/
And according to SCAHA, Mariners declared 18AA, 16AA, 14AA, and 12AA, but I believe status quo is that they'll have 16AA and 14AA, which still qualifies them for tier I.
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There you go...
http://naphl.com/teams/ (http://naphl.com/teams/)
And according to SCAHA, Mariners declared 18AA, 16AA, 14AA, and 12AA, but I believe status quo is that they'll have 16AA and 14AA, which still qualifies them for tier I.
I believe that they were granted admission to the NAPHL based on their status being at the AAA level.
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For those who have been around for a bit on these forums, what CAHA is doing is what several have complained about in the past.
Several years ago AAA at most levels was being diluted by parents and clubs who felt their snowflake should be on a AAA team. You had some power houses back than at LA Selects and Jr Kings. The Jr Ducks AAA was a not very competitive. Anyways you always had the 3rd and 4th liners who felt they should be first liners. They often left to go to other clubs to be the first liners. Those teams than had to get questionable AA players to fill out the rosters. So in the end you had teams that maybe had 3 or 4 kids that could be AAA caliber subsidized with non-AAA kids. If you want to look at the biggest culprit of this look at the Wildcats out of KHS. For years people would complain about clubs like this and how they were diluting AAA in SoCal and how it was preventing the "true" AAA teams from finding good local competition to play against. Parents would complain that CAHA should do something because it was a waste of money, time, and fairness that their little superstar team had to waste a weekend playing against another team with disgruntled 3rd/4th liners or cut kids from tryouts. They suggested that CAHA either limit the number of teams allowed to play AAA, or suggest that there be a seeding based of a preseason type tournament (sound familiar). Even suggesting that CAHA should force teams to drop if they don't believe that the lower teams can be competitive.
Now the pendulum is swinging the other way. Seams to me that CAHA is "listening" to the people.
I do not support or object to what CAHA is doing, I really don't care. But I have been an observer on these forums since they started, a coach at a few clubs, and have had a child go through the system and another mid way through.
I do support Puck Yeah's comment that because you have not played means that you cannot successfully manage a program.
So how do you find the happy place. Limited the number of teams to keep them competitive against each other and to insure they play against other kids at the same caliber regardless if it stymies market control.
Or let the market decide and dilute the system where the top talent keeps leaving because the system is too diluted. Either way, people will leave to go back east because they can and feel that is what is right for them.
Actually KHS proved that you could start an AAA program and make it successful if CAHA hadn't changed the rules 'after the season was over'. True, for the first 2 years of their AAA program the teams weren't as competitive as the established clubs, but for god's sake give them a year or two to build. Hell, the Ducks couldn't field a decent AAA team for years because of OC so they had to buy OC to do it. Same with the Kings buying LA Hockey - Kings couldn't field a decent AAA team either. In their third year of AAA the Wildcats did very well and if CAHA really wanted a decent league in SoCal they would have thrown support behind them instead of hiding behind rules that only served to bolster the JKs.
Talent is going to flood out of CA for back east - look at the last Rubber Mag and compare how many California kids are now in Prep school as compared to previous years - it's triple.
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Talent has been flooding to the east coast for several years now, it's not new. What is new, is a club hosting a prep school scouting weekend which is essentially saying we encourage you to leave our program and go play some place else.
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Not really accurate because that club decided it was not going to offer midget teams. And at this point they would have a hard time changing course given the lack of available ice at their rink.
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Actually KHS proved that you could start an AAA program and make it successful if CAHA hadn't changed the rules 'after the season was over'. True, for the first 2 years of their AAA program the teams weren't as competitive as the established clubs, but for god's sake give them a year or two to build. Hell, the Ducks couldn't field a decent AAA team for years because of OC so they had to buy OC to do it. Same with the Kings buying LA Hockey - Kings couldn't field a decent AAA team either. In their third year of AAA the Wildcats did very well and if CAHA really wanted a decent league in SoCal they would have thrown support behind them instead of hiding behind rules that only served to bolster the JKs.
Ok, first of don't mix kHs wildcats with ben's wildcats. KL no matter if you are a fan of him did not sell A's like Ben does with the endorsement of USA hockey. Go back 8 years an KL and ML decided several times that the talent at tryouts where not Aaa worthy. Also you can't compare the old la select days with today, it was the only game in town to play aaa so it got the best players. Right before jr kings purchased la hockey/selects the club was struggling , having a hard time to roster enough teams for a 3 sheet facility. As for wildcats fproving you can start a aaa program I beg to differ. Just because you have one team which was TK sons birth year which was recruited like hell doesn't make it a AAA program. Look how all the other AAA teams did. Just because wildcats call it aaa doesn't make it one.
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Mariners are on the 18AA Caha site under schedule, that's "new"....FWIW
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Heard the Titans and JK scrimmaged this weekend. Anyone know the results?
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Rumor: Ducks 16AAA beat Ducks 18AAA 6-1 in a scrimmage. If true, :o
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Heard the Titans and JK scrimmaged this weekend. Anyone know the results?
We've got friends with kids on both the JK 16AAA and the JK 18AAA. Don't quote me on the scores as I wasn't there and heard from the kids tonight.
The JK 16's beat the Titans something like 9-2.
The Titans 18's beat JK somewhere near 5-2.
Again, the scores probably aren't exact but the W/L is.
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Heard the Titans and JK scrimmaged this weekend. Anyone know the results?
We've got friends with kids on both the JK 16AAA and the JK 18AAA. Don't quote me on the scores as I wasn't there and heard from the kids tonight.
The JK 16's beat the Titans something like 9-2.
The Titans 18's beat JK somewhere near 5-2.
Again, the scores probably aren't exact but the W/L is.
My sources on the JK16 said it was 9-1. The title of this thread fits with how they played.
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I had heard JK16 played JD 16s and JD won....can anyone confirm whether it was the JD 16s or 18s?
Wow...Titans got smashed...not a good start
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JD 16AAA beat 18 AAA - 4-1 per CJ
JD 16 AAA beat JK 16 AAA - 5-2 - competitive game (1-0 after first half - two 30 min periods), but JD's are faster and have at least 3 game changing players and great goal tending - tough combo to beat!
JK 16 AAA beat Titans 16 AAA 9-1 - game was not competitive - Titans Goalie played very well or it could have been much worse.
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Heard the Titans and JK scrimmaged this weekend. Anyone know the results?
We've got friends with kids on both the JK 16AAA and the JK 18AAA. Don't quote me on the scores as I wasn't there and heard from the kids tonight.
The JK 16's beat the Titans something like 9-2.
The Titans 18's beat JK somewhere near 5-2.
Again, the scores probably aren't exact but the W/L is.
My sources on the JK16 said it was 9-1. The title of this thread fits with how they played.
The score of the 18s was Titans 18AAA 5 Kings 18AAA 4
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First west coast swing through Tier 1 elite complete. Looks like a smashing success for the JD. Not so much for the JK. Bad for the Sharks... JD's putting high numbers on the board with splendid goaltending. JK getting lots of shots; not scoring as much. Sharks pretty dismal. But....perhaps not too bad as these teams have lots of new players and first weekend of heavy competition when playing together. Go California!
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Ok, first of don't mix kHs wildcats with ben's wildcats. KL no matter if you are a fan of him did not sell A's like Ben does with the endorsement of USA hockey. Go back 8 years an KL and ML decided several times that the talent at tryouts where not Aaa worthy. Also you can't compare the old la select days with today, it was the only game in town to play aaa so it got the best players. Right before jr kings purchased la hockey/selects the club was struggling , having a hard time to roster enough teams for a 3 sheet facility. As for wildcats fproving you can start a aaa program I beg to differ. Just because you have one team which was TK sons birth year which was recruited like hell doesn't make it a AAA program. Look how all the other AAA teams did. Just because wildcats call it aaa doesn't make it one.
You must have been drunk when you wrote this. LA Selects wasn't the only AAA club in town when the Kings bought them, as I noted in my post OC had a great AAA club at the same time and the Titans also had AAA then as did the Wave (remember "the crease?"). The Kings and Ducks both also had AAA but couldn't compete but they had $ and used it to by the Selects and OC (who have now formed the Gold Rush, bet they will have AAA within 5 years). And how can you not mix the KHS wildcats with Ben's? Going back 8 years the Wildcats actually had some of the best talent around (2 of their 99 kids at that time just made the NHL draft this year for god's sake). I believe the Wildcats showed you can form an AAA club, except for the morons at CAHA who immediately tried to tank it and pump up their self anointed AAA clubs. In any case, if you have any talent, you'll leave the state and find real opportunities away from CAHA.
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CAHA just posted Tier 1 selections
Message from the President regarding Tier I Selections
Jan 27, 2018 8:49 AM
Per the Tier 1 Policy set forth by the CAHA Board of Directors on January 23, 2016, I would like to report the following Associations will be recognized as Tier 1 Programs through our affiliate, and USA Hockey for the 2018-19 season. Congratulations to the following:
11AAA (Minor) - Anaheim Jr. Ducks, Los Angeles Jr. Kings, San Jose Jr. Sharks
12U (Major) - Anaheim Jr. Ducks, Los Angeles Jr. Kings, San Jose Jr. Sharks
13AAA (Minor) - Anaheim Jr. Ducks, Los Angeles Jr. Kings, San Jose Jr. Sharks
14U (Major) - Anaheim Jr. Ducks, Los Angeles Jr. Kings, Golden State Elite, San Jose Jr. Sharks
15AAA - Anaheim Jr. Ducks, Los Angeles Jr. Kings, San Jose Jr. Sharks
16U - Anaheim Jr. Ducks, Los Angeles Jr. Kings, San Diego Jr. Gulls, San Jose Jr. Sharks
18U - Anaheim Jr. Ducks, Los Angeles Jr. Kings, Jr. Reign, San Jose Jr. Sharks
Congratulations to the successful applicants!
Tom Hancock
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The part that gets me about this announcement is this:"Congratulations to the successful applicants!"
Jr Ducks, Jr Kings, Jr Sharks don't have to apply.
I don't really, fully understand this.
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Indeed, GSE, the Reign and the Jr Gulls all had to apply for the glorious honor of playing amongst the JK, JD and Sharklings.
They must be besides themselves with joy.
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In deciding to move forward and not granting one age group five AAA teams (if not more), CAHA has once again gone against USA Hockey, what is being done in other states and statistics provided by intelligent hockey parents on this board.
CAHA's rules should be scrapped. Whatever happened in the past should be forgotten. Do you really need prerequisites to field a AAA team when you have six different divisions at some levels that include flight 1 & flight 2?
But besides that I'll make the argument that CAHA won't think twice about the sacrifices being made by parents at any level and even less outside of AAA:
1. They had every tier team statewide travel to San Jose for a pre-season evaluation. Regardless of placement, regardless of good team or lousy team, in hindsight did anything positive come from Labor Day weekend?
2. There is no reasonable explanation why geographical divisions can't be set up for large divisions at lower levels.Does an A team with 20 + teams in their division really need to travel from San Diego to Bakersfield for a regular season game?
3. Do you really need to have a Nor Cal CAHA weekend when all the teams in flight 2 at multiple levels are from Southern California? Or is this part of the discouraging teams from playing up theory which is clearly going to back fire when big and small clubs decide to play up just to be placed in the lower tier.
In conclusion, CAHA cares enough about your player only to continue to fund the club their board members represent. This isn't about player development, it is about legalities, club protectionism and business. It is no wonder why every serious hockey family with a son or daughter with potential has to consider leaving the state. And players continue to leave in droves.
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I find this sad news. It is a shame, as the Titans are a decent organization. Yes, their teams struggled, but they do have some really good kids and players. Watch even more talent leave California.
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For those of us who live in the "in between areas" of the state, this is tough. For many of us who live in the northern part of LA and the central Valley, we no longer have any viable options for challenging midget level hockey next year. It's pretty sad and really, this is not how you grow the sport unless the plan is to limit it to big city kids.
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I think the biggest challenge for growing the sport is actually the competition, much of it due to the climate. There is SO much to do in CA. You can also play other sports all year round in CA. You go to MN and even tiny little rural towns of 1,700 people like Warroad develop NHLers. That and the expense of early development in CA due to paying for ice. Cold climate have kids that live on the ice all winter. There is nothing like no Dads no Coaches pond hockey for developing young players. Creativity gets unleashed.
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I think the biggest challenge for growing the sport is actually the competition, much of it due to the climate. There is SO much to do in CA. You can also play other sports all year round in CA. You go to MN and even tiny little rural towns of 1,700 people like Warroad develop NHLers. That and the expense of early development in CA due to paying for ice. Cold climate have kids that live on the ice all winter. There is nothing like no Dads no Coaches pond hockey for developing young players. Creativity gets unleashed.
I don't agree with this at all. CA is actually loaded with talent. The problem is the talent must leave the state to advance. Top CA teams are top teams when they travel East they show well.
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This whole CA hockey is so depressing.
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Top CA teams are top teams when they travel East they show well
I agree with the above statement as my son's team (16AA) went to the Jr. Bruins tournament and won their games except fr a loss to a 16AAA team by 2 goals including an empty netter. Thy also went to CCM Chicago and went 2-1-1 (loss by a single goal). The only time they were little outclassed is when they went t Richmond BC and completed in the Tier 1 division - only 1 win. Then again too they were not playing well at that time.
So talent wise CA is not that much different. However they do not get the same ice time they may in a state like Minnesota that has much more frozen ponds.
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Also the Ducks 1 16 AA team has done well back east too.
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I think the biggest challenge for growing the sport is actually the competition, much of it due to the climate. There is SO much to do in CA. You can also play other sports all year round in CA. You go to MN and even tiny little rural towns of 1,700 people like Warroad develop NHLers. That and the expense of early development in CA due to paying for ice. Cold climate have kids that live on the ice all winter. There is nothing like no Dads no Coaches pond hockey for developing young players. Creativity gets unleashed.
I don't agree with this at all. CA is actually loaded with talent. The problem is the talent must leave the state to advance. Top CA teams are top teams when they travel East they show well.
I am not sure I agree that they must leave. They do leave but if the talent just stayed home California would be a power house. Much like all of the talent in the SCV thinking they have to go play elsewhere. If they all played at home. Valencia would be a State contender every year.
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I think the biggest challenge for growing the sport is actually the competition, much of it due to the climate. There is SO much to do in CA. You can also play other sports all year round in CA. You go to MN and even tiny little rural towns of 1,700 people like Warroad develop NHLers. That and the expense of early development in CA due to paying for ice. Cold climate have kids that live on the ice all winter. There is nothing like no Dads no Coaches pond hockey for developing young players. Creativity gets unleashed.
I don't agree with this at all. CA is actually loaded with talent. The problem is the talent must leave the state to advance. Top CA teams are top teams when they travel East they show well.
I am not sure I agree that they must leave. They do leave but if the talent just stayed home California would be a power house. Much like all of the talent in the SCV thinking they have to go play elsewhere. If they all played at home. Valencia would be a State contender every year.
What I am saying is that if kids want to move up and play AAA they basically have little choice but to leave. Sure in SOCAL you have a couple teams that are basically picked already. Also in places that are thriving they allow more then 4 AAA teams in the state.
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I agree. Same thing in NorCal. The Jr. Sharks AAA teams are typically pre-determined (not always the best players too) along with the NorCal Selects. Some players don't even need to show up.