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Xfactor_56

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Bantam AAA
« on: May 13, 2016, 07:59:48 AM »
Good luck to all the players and teams with tryouts this weekend! 

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2016, 09:59:23 AM »
I have noticed a trend in Northern CA where most of the talented kids playing AAA, are heading off to brighter places like the Midwest and even SoCal at the bantam level.   Case in point: no 15AAA, 14AAA and a piece meal 16AAA in T1 Elite in 2016.  (yes there is GSE 15s but they are 1 line).   As a new parent looking to tier and beyond, the Jr Sharks are pretty much the only option for T1 Elite exposure unless one wants to go the AA route with SCA or GSE and take chances with CAHA weekend exposure and maybe a decent tourney here or there.  What is crazy is that I can think of 2 maybe 3 recent birth years where if the talent would have stayed local and rallied behind one team, there might have been a strong case for a semi-legitimate tier 1 team (a strong tier 2 team for sure) but again the best leave.  There are numbers—we have seen it:  4+ house teams, A/B teams, AA and AAA teams from the SJ alone (not to mention TV, SCA, VV, and other “big” local clubs.) per age group and still we have a sub par product.  What is it:  the coaching/development, the quality of athletes entering the sport, the true numbers, the finances, lack of ice...????  Sad fact is I don’t foresee the scenario that if your kid has W, O, Q, USHL, NAHL, or even SSM or NE prep in their future that he can stay in a Norcal club!  It’s Detroit, MN, or possibly LA for proper exposure and development at bantam major.  Somebody… sell us on Norcal youth hockey and maybe California hockey for that matter, and a reason to stay if you have talent…

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2016, 10:09:11 AM »
If your kid is that good he will be noticed. And will be contacted.

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 12:32:26 PM »
     No one wants to play with a losing team!!!!  No scouts are watching teams that are losing big 19-0 like the Jr. Sharks 03 vs Jr Kings 03.   Those are Mites and Squirt type of scores.  Coaching and culture has to be a big part of it.   


GSE North PeeWee team had some quality kids.  I think they won states also and the AA division was dominate by Norcal teams last year.   Why are those kids not going to SJ to play AAA?  From what heard that GSE coach and the one from Stockton are one of the most qualify coaches.    It sounds like up north the quality kids & coaches are spread out. 
 

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2016, 04:23:48 PM »
Certainly a smaller pool of players, and as a transplant from SoCal to NoCal it certainly feels much more spread out.

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2016, 05:47:50 PM »
Smaller pool of players is not the issue. 

We heard this from mutiiple NorCal parents that Players that are AAA caliper rather play AA elsewhere in the Bay Area and SJ AAA players with any talent eventually leaves. 

Losing will eventually get to you.

11AAA. Last place
12 AAA 2nd to last place
13 AAA 2nd to last place
14 AAA 2nd to last place
16 AAA (2) last place
16 AAA (1) 5th place of 10 teams.

"Winning is FUN"

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2016, 10:05:18 PM »
Something like 60% of the state's population is in SoCal.  While it isn't the only factor to the issues you are describing, it is a factor.  Less talent to pull from in a state where hockey isn't really a major sport.

The GSE North PW-AA team was solid last year.  But, if you live in the outer areas (Roseville/Stockton/Tahoe for example) commuting to SJ for AAA may not be feasible, and as you pointed out, their teams haven't been enjoying a lot of recent success - so why go through all that.

So is your question/issue with the JR Sharks program?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2016, 10:14:12 PM by BigDuke6 »

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2016, 10:46:58 PM »
Many people are disenchanted with the Jr. Sharks program.   That is the one program in NorCal that would have the ability to attract and retain the region's best talent.  A number of the best players from NorCal now play in SoCal, or in the Midwest.  As a result, there are no AAA teams in NorCal in a couple of age groups, or less competitive teams.

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2016, 10:57:14 PM »
Handboni,
It sounds like Flow is trying to justify playing in SJ and not moving elsewhere.  You stated that the kids are leaving.  Isn’t that alone a clue that something might be wrong?  Why would someone send their kids away if everything was Ok?  It sounds like they aren’t even trying to make it better.

There is always an excuse, Could of, Should of, Would of.   Stop making excuses.
It’s sad but great for Socal hockey that we get their top players.  If they provided a top notch and competitive program the kids wouldn’t leave.     

 
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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2016, 06:51:11 AM »
Exactly my point.

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2016, 09:31:31 AM »
The way it is currently, Jr Sharks are basically granted monopoly on AAA hockey in N. Cal. The same can be said about Gulls in San Diego. The system is expecting these clubs to do the right things and put together competitive teams for the benefit of player development. Time will tell if this is just wishful thinking.

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2016, 09:48:17 AM »
Smaller pool of players is not the issue. 

We heard this from mutiiple NorCal parents that Players that are AAA caliper rather play AA elsewhere in the Bay Area and SJ AAA players with any talent eventually leaves. 

Losing will eventually get to you.

11AAA. Last place
12 AAA 2nd to last place
13 AAA 2nd to last place
14 AAA 2nd to last place
16 AAA (2) last place
16 AAA (1) 5th place of 10 teams.

"Winning is FUN"

Actually, Jr. Sharks 16AAA (1) team was third at end of regular season, but they had a bye to Nationals so they didn't play States or District.  Other teams ended up playing more games and getting more points, and now they're listed ahead of Jr. Sharks on CAHA site.

Regardless, some talented kids just don't want to play there or the parents don't want to fight the traffic, so NorCal talent gets spread out, and top AAA guys still leave.  Wish it was different, and I don't have a solution, but it's a fact - just can't see NorCal AAA teams consistently beating SoCal at Mid 16 and below. at least not any time soon.

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2016, 12:25:04 PM »
Since Jr Sharks, Ducks, and Kings are now guaranteed of being allowed to field AAA teams, what incentive do they have to improve?

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2016, 01:52:24 PM »
Longtime lurker. First post. Transplant to Norcal. 1 kid playing for Jr Sharks for a few years, not a bantam so too soon to say what the hockey future holds for the boy.


Reality Check nails it: if your kid is that good, he’ll get noticed. Wherever he is.


Lots of kids are good players, but the one who can make a career out of it will be the self-motivated one who practices, practices, practices all on their own without dad making spreadsheets or cramming extra lessons. You know the kid: always at sticktime/Gretzky running his own circuit. This kid gets along with coaches and teammates, doesn’t rest on his superior laurels, and understands that there is always a next level. He has to be lucky, uninjured, and hopefully dad doesn’t screw it up for him. So that describes the tiny percent of kids where the discussion of leaving Norcal even matters at all.


Population demographics and geography/infrastructure play a huge role in the AAA struggle for Norcal. The pool of players actually is pretty small, and they are spread out. Norcal is isolated, and the roads are jammed. Despite Silicon Valley, plenty of people aren’t swimming in extra $ to drop on sports. A lot of families do make the trek to SJ for the Sharks, but for several it is simply impossible with traffic patterns. There are probably a few AAA caliber players at each birth year up northwards in Santa Rosa/Vacaville/Roseville, and another few eastwards in Stockton/Tahoe/Fresno. Those families thank their lucky stars that they have proven sires like LC and DE to guide their kids. Driving 2hrs+ for practice in SJ is out of the question, but they have great coaching closer to home, even if they don’t have enough other talented kids around to form AAA teams. They do what they can, and those guys help their kids get where they eventually need to be. But for those families within an hour drive to SJ, other factors must come into play.


 
The Jr Sharks seem to take a lot of heat here. I’m not sure why. There may be the assumption that because they are NHL club affiliated, they should automatically be world class at the top of the charts. Give ‘em a break. They are working on it. Hockey is a growing sport in the bay area, but it isn’t huge yet. If the big boy Sharks manage to pull off a cup this year, we can expect an explosion of 07/08/09/10 kids to pick up sticks. Let’s also give the program some credit: there was a big shakeup in the Tier coaching for this coming year. The coaches and administrators are approachable. Biannual surveys, public hockey council meetings, and an open-door policy to speak your mind to the administration allows anyone with ideas to be heard. Is it perfect? Of course not. But what is? I’d imagine personalities and intrigues of parents and coaches are a big factor for those who decide they can’t abide the Jr Sharks for AAA. If there are parents on here who have spoken up and been denied assistance for their kid, that would be interesting. I plan to keep my kid in the program as long as he’s happy. Every year has improved a bit. However, the factors that will determine whether or not the boy Makes it Big in hockey are not ones that depend on the club or any one specific coach. They are either within him or they aren’t.

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Re: Bantam AAA
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2016, 02:36:08 PM »
You still didn’t answer the root question:  “Flow” asked why are the kids leaving?  Is it coaching or culture?   Are you telling us that people rather move than to drive 1 ½ to practice?   Even if they were to move to SoCal, you really think that the traffic is that much better here.
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