Cheating the p.d.r to make playdowns

[OneandDone]

91 and Pioneer, but everything I've seen shows they easily make PDR at PWAA.

[trans4761]

A wise yet dick-ish man once told me "if youth hockey is the biggest thorn in your side, then life is good."  😉

[area51]

A wise yet dick-ish man once told me "if youth hockey is the biggest thorn in your side, then life is good."  😉

you must have been talking in your sleep!

[UhhhhDuhhhh]

Not sure if it was PDR or kids dropping out or the finances but Wave 2 is now off of the play down schedule and replaced by OCHC.

[Panther Coach]

Not sure if it was PDR or kids dropping out or the finances but Wave 2 is now off of the play down schedule and replaced by OCHC.

It was not meeting PDR.  Same as their Bantam team.

[OneandDone]

Hmmm PDR used to be 50% but I thought PDR for Tier II and A/B hockey was 25% this year

From SCAHA RULEBOOK

SECTION 24 - TEAM ELIGIBILITY

24.01    Block Recruitment occurs when more than the approved number of players from a final team roster in the previous season is rostered with a different club’s team in the new season. The team will not be included in the SCAHA schedule and will be ineligible for post-season playoffs. The approved numbers of players that may join a team from a different club’s previous season roster are as follows: Squirts – 5 players; Peewees, Bantams and Midgets – 6 players.

24.02     CAHA RULE - In order to be eligible for SCAHA and CAHA playoffs, Peewee, Bantam and Midget Tier II and ‘A’ level teams must meet the CAHA player development requirements (PDR).

24.03    Any team deemed ineligible for violating SCAHA or CAHA rules will not be included in the SCAHA schedule.


FROM CAHA RULEBOOK

6.22 PLAYER DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT(PDR): In order to be eligible for post season participation, all CAHA registered Pee Wee, Bantam and Midget A and Tier II teams must meet the following minimum Player Development Requirement:

a. Said teams must roster a minimum of 25% of its players from within its member association. Any team that falls below its Player Development Requirement will have until December 31 to replace their Player Development Requirement to maintain their postseason eligibility.

b. A team that falls below its Player Development Requirement minimum because of player movement to the Tier I or Junior level within the same age division, shall not render that team ineligible for playoffs because of the Player Development Requirement.

c. The minimum CAHA Player Development Requirement per team is as follows:
    12 player roster = 3 player minimum
    13 player roster = 3 player minimum
    14 player roster = 4 player minimum
    15 player roster = 4 player minimum
    16 player roster = 4 player minimum
    17 player roster = 4 player minimum
    18 player roster = 4 player minimum
    19 player roster = 5 player minimum
    20 player roster = 5 player minimum

d. Players eligible to meet the Player Development Requirement are defined as:
    1. Players who actively participated on teams within the same Member Association the previous season, as shown by USA Hockey registration.
    2. In the case of Tier II teams, players must have been rostered on a Tier I, Tier II, A or B team with the Member Association during the prior year and must have participated in the minimum number of games required to be eligible for CAHA state playoffs except where injury or
       illness prevented such participation (proof of illness or injury is required).
    3. Players designated as meeting the PDR requirement must be actively participating on the subject team as of October 31 of the current playing season unless injury or illness prevents such participation in which case medical documentation of the illness or injury must be provided.
    4. In the case of A teams, house players may not count toward the Player Development Requirement if they were also rostered on a Tier I, Tier II, A or B team with another Member Association during the same season.
    5. Players who are new to travel ice hockey may be counted as PDR for “A" teams.  These players cannot have previously played for any other travel ice hockey club in California.
    6. A consolidated team may meet its PDR requirement using players from the same team the previous season plus players from A or B teams on any of the team’s forming Member Associations during the previous season.

Wave 2 Were:
 

Number	Last Year Team
4	Wave SQ A
11	Wave Art 2 PWA
12	Wave SQ A
13	Wave Art 2 PWA
14	Wave SQ A
16	Ice Dogs 2 SQ A
18	Jr Ducks 2 PWAA
19	Ice Dogs PWA
21	Bears
22	Ice Dogs 1 SQ A
27	Ice Dogs 2 SQ A
28	Wave SQ A
31	Jr Ducks 1 PWA
33	OCHC1 PWA
52	Ice Dogs 2 SQ A
66	Wave Art 1 PWA
68	OCHC SQ A
70	Jr Ducks 1 PWAA
98	Wave Art 2 PWA

[Panther Coach]

Tier 2 is 50%. Tier 1 was 25% this season

[OneandDone]

Confusing??

6.22 PLAYER DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT(PDR): In order to be eligible for post season participation, all CAHA registered Pee Wee, Bantam and Midget A and Tier II teams must meet the following minimum Player Development Requirement:

a. Said teams must roster a minimum of 25% of its players from within its member association. Any team that falls below its Player Development Requirement will have until December 31 to replace their Player Development Requirement to maintain their postseason eligibility.

[OneandDone]

It could easily be any of the following too:

6.24 RECRUITMENT:

a. Recruitment is defined as the open solicitation and/or direct contact by coaches, team officials, association officials, parents or players, by mail, email, and/or telephone, of players currently registered with another association except as explicitly allowed by USA Hockey.
b. CAHA prohibits any one from offering or providing financial incentives to any player or any player's family as an inducement to join any team that is not offered to all players or player's families.

6.25 DUAL ROSTERING:
Except as otherwise set forth in these rules, no player may be rostered on more than one team within the state of California that is state and/or national championship eligible.  This rule specifically prohibits the rostering of a player on a USA Hockey registered team or any college team (except college club teams) and any other A, B or Tier team in the state.


This same group of coaches has been sending out tons of emails lately under the guise of "Patriots Hockey" to all kinds of families outside of their club.  They have no regard for the rules and think they can do whatever they want and it's about time CAHA/SCAHA made an example out of them.  Their Bantam A team is even more of a mess.  Be interesting to see if they will be playoff eligible. I would think not...

[lcadad]

You listed 19 players.  Did they really have a 19 player roster?  2 Practice players? (PDR circumvention?)  Kids leaving the team?


The one other thing about the PDR is that if a kid played at the club the year prior, then they would still count toward the PDR.  The kid from the Bears played for the Wave the prior season, so should also count.  Perhaps there were others.  But clearly from your list, they should have easily made the PDR.


If it is indeed the PDR, then that's a shame because as a primarily '05 team, they showed a lot of development over the course of the season from the looks of their results in the 2nd half.

[Voice in ur head]

Congrats, due to your feelings being hurt, everyone not thinking your child is the best, and you wanting to get even with the coach, you single handedly devastated a group of kids and their families. Bravo... Remember karma ALWAYS comes back

[area51]

So Cal is such a small hockey community, it's too bad parents don't think first before alienating themselves, now who's gonna want this parent part of their group in the future?

[OneandDone]

Congrats, due to your feelings being hurt, everyone not thinking your child is the best, and you wanting to get even with the coach, you single handedly devastated a group of kids and their families. Bravo... Remember karma ALWAYS comes back

Not sure who you're referring to, but I believe karma just has come back.  Definitely sucks for the kids and that's the worst part. These coaches think they're above the rules and if parents follow coaches who break safe sport rules, recruiting rules, PDR and more, buyer beware.   Personally, I would look at the Club who takes on these type and obviously the coaches if you're looking for blame.

[trans4761]

So Cal is such a small hockey community, it's too bad parents don't think first before alienating themselves, now who's gonna want this parent part of their group in the future?

This Dumb Dumb (hockey rules) might want to look into the new BF Team the Tijuana Kitties.  They'll take him.

[Panther Coach]

So Cal is such a small hockey community, it's too bad parents don't think first before alienating themselves, now who's gonna want this parent part of their group in the future?

This Dumb Dumb (hockey rules) might want to look into the new BF Team the Tijuana Kitties.  They'll take him.

Aren't the rules in place for a reason?  Did they change the rules mid-season?  Wave did the same thing with a Bantam team and everyone was all upset.  It's not that hard to comply