Pee Wee A 2016-17

[SkatingDad]

Skating Dad, with regard to the calls at the OC3/Condors game, I welcome a discussion about what should/ should not have been called if you were actually there.  Here's the narrative of the Condors game.  OC controlled the game throughout the first period, and then some of the Condors lost control of their emotions as they amped up the physicality of their play, e.g., goalie pummeled OC player with stick and blocker, leveling kids from behind with cross checks, taking runs at kids along the boards, etc.  Condors were getting their money's worth out of these - I can tell you point blank that my boy at least had the biggest and darkest bruises he has ever had after this game.  From my perspective in the OC offensive zone, the penalties were not of the borderline was it a check or proper body contact variety, and there could have been a lot more calls made on the big guys than actually were made.  The special teams play for both teams had some outstanding moments, but was a wash.  Factor special teams out, and it would have been a 5-1 OC win   Happy to defer to others who were there with regard to play in the D zone.

I was not there and have no skin in the game at all...  I only know how games are called.  The parents do not understand how much body contact is allowed in Peewee.  I watch parents react to legal body contact because someone on their team gets blown up because they do not understand what is allowed. Almost half of these kids will be checking in two months and as the Peewee season gets closer to the end the body contact increases.  Your kid should have bruises after every game and if it is a problem for you and your kid maybe this is not the game for you. As for your goalie, it is the responsibility of your defenseman to protect your goalie.  The opposing team has to know that if they are going to hack your goalie their will be repercussions. That is the way the game is played, this is not AYSO.

[6607]

Skating Dad, we are not AYSO types, nor shrinking violets.  The point about the bruises was simply that these were not ticky tack fouls.  It really isn't all that uncommon to see the losing team cross the line out of frustration, and that was my impression as to what happened to a few of the Condor players.

Would like to hear what you mean by "blowing up" a player and when you think it is within the rules at Pee Wee A.  That phrase to me, almost always connotes an overt body check or charging, rather than angling someone off the puck or a battle along the boards.

[SkatingDad]

Skating Dad, we are not AYSO types, nor shrinking violets.  The point about the bruises was simply that these were not ticky tack fouls.  It really isn't all that uncommon to see the losing team cross the line out of frustration, and that was my impression as to what happened to a few of the Condor players.

Would like to hear what you mean by "blowing up" a player and when you think it is within the rules at Pee Wee A.  That phrase to me, almost always connotes an overt body check or charging, rather than angling someone off the puck or a battle along the boards.

Ever seen a skilled player rubbing out someone out on the boards?  If this is done correctly by a player that can skate,  the offensive player will be blown up. Following is what USA Hockey defines as body contact:



Rubbing Out
Screening Out
Boxing Out
Pinning


http://www.usahockey.com/page/show/908033-body-checking-rule


With a big strong kid who can skate any one of these will result in a player being blown up (not pinning).


The key to body contact is making a play on the puck, after a play is made on the puck any contact after that is incidental.  If a player does not first make a play on the puck then it is checking (with a couple of exceptions).  I have seen many of players blown up open ice because the defending player understands that he first needs to make a play on the puck and then hold his ground.  The bigger stronger kid who can skate always wins...

[station26]

Condors got a bit frustrated and loss some control of their emotions. I wouldn't be surprised if Condor coach told his players to impose their size a bit more which is what I would have done also. When Condors used their size, the game evened out a little more hence the mini comeback (goaltending/defense aside). But yes, there were a few hits that were called and should have been. If Condors back off just a little (and get control of their emotions), the game plan would have worked even better. A couple hard plays/hits but nothing earth shattering. Kind of a physical game which made it better to watch.

[Icelife]

Does anyone know why the OC and Eagles score is 0-0? They haven't played yet.

[Avcadet]

Someone posting an earlier game posted that by mistake. It will be corrected by the OC2 manager after the game next week. Meanwhile that fake tie is giving both the Eagles and OC2 and extra point/game played in the standings. Adjusted, this would drop the Eagles to 3rd and bring the Bears up to 2nd while OC2 maintains 4th.

[Avcadet]

Score deleted so standings now based on played games.

[skates]

Looks like the top 4 teams are staying strong....


My picks for the weekend:


Saints vs. Wildcats: Wildcats by 4


Heat vs. ML: ML by 2


Blaze vs. Jr Ducks 1: Jr. Ducks 1 by 7


Jr. Condors vs OC 2: OC 2 by 4


Wave 2 vs OC 3: OC 3 by 5 should be a piece of cake for OC 3. Will this game get them back in the 8th play off spot?


Jr. Ducks 2 vs. Eagles: Game of the week. Will the Eagles struggle?  Ducks 2 by 1


Bears vs Wavev3: Will probably be a game with lots of penalties: Bears by 3


OC 1 vs Kings 2: OC 1 by 3


Wave 1 vs. Bye: Bye week not good for the little guys. They can't afford to lose points if they want a chance for the 8th spot. Can they catch up?


Good luck to everyone! Have a drink! After all we will be at our kids hockey games and missing the super bowl!

[6607]

Skates called it. OC3 over W2, 6 to 1.  Other scores???

[MO-ICETIME]

Well Skates, the Bears vs Wave game surprisingly didn't have many Penalties. The Refs did a pretty decent job! Credit to the Wave, they came out and played and really look much improved! Their goalie #25 was a wall!! <we can say # on this site right? I'll edit if not allowed>

[SkatingDad]

Round robin play is 1,4,5,8 and 2,3,6,7


Play off prediction:


1. OCHC (2) 25 points (tie breaker head-to-head)
2. Ducks (2) 25 points
3. Bears 24 points
4. Ducks (1) 23 Points
5. Eagles 22 points
6. Maple Leafs 21 points
7. OCHC (1) 20 points
8. Kings (1) 19 points


The top 3 are set, may be a different order. 4 and 5 could switch but, they will be in the same bracket so... 6-8 are much more difficult to determine OCHC (3) could easy be in the mix.


Let the argument begin...

[Hockey05]

If there is a 6 point difference from 1-8 that has to be one of the closest finishes ever. 

[SkatingDad]

If there is a 6 point difference from 1-8 that has to be one of the closest finishes ever.

Closest since 2011/2012 which was 7 point difference from 1-8.

[station26]

Round robin play is 1,4,5,8 and 2,3,6,7


Play off prediction:


1. OCHC (2) 25 points (tie breaker head-to-head)
2. Ducks (2) 25 points
3. Bears 24 points
4. Ducks (1) 23 Points
5. Eagles 22 points
6. Maple Leafs 21 points
7. OCHC (1) 20 points
8. Kings (1) 19 points


The top 3 are set, may be a different order. 4 and 5 could switch but, they will be in the same bracket so... 6-8 are much more difficult to determine OCHC (3) could easy be in the mix.


Let the argument begin...

Oc3, Kings1 and Eagles all have a game in hand on several of those teams above them. This is closer than it already looks.

[MO-ICETIME]

Round robin play is 1,4,5,8 and 2,3,6,7


Play off prediction:


1. OCHC (2) 25 points (tie breaker head-to-head)
2. Ducks (2) 25 points
3. Bears 24 points
4. Ducks (1) 23 Points
5. Eagles 22 points
6. Maple Leafs 21 points
7. OCHC (1) 20 points
8. Kings (1) 19 points


The top 3 are set, may be a different order. 4 and 5 could switch but, they will be in the same bracket so... 6-8 are much more difficult to determine OCHC (3) could easy be in the mix.


Let the argument begin...

Oc3, Kings1 and Eagles all have a game in hand on several of those teams above them. This is closer than it already looks.

Seems he did the math and picked probables... Eagles still have a pretty tough road. If teams don't show up, a few upsets could change things a lot! Playoffs will become a whole new season!