I heard the Bears did very well in Riverside. A parent on the Bears team told me there wasn't much competition out there. So either the Bears were that good orthere wasn't much competition out there.Heat, Flyers, OCHC and two GSE teams played in Anaheim. GSE team made the finals and lost to the same Canadian team that took out the Flyers and Heat.
Looks Like the Kings made it to the championship in Tinsel town only to loose to the 08 Patriots team? (If I'm wrong please correct the Tinsel Town website is not functioning correctly)
Anaheim Selects AKA 07 Ducks AA played AAA. Played close with the AAA ducks in a game. Then beat a team that didn't belong? Then had their pre approved goalie stolen? (again help me out the Tinsel Town web site is not friendly)
Not sure about other declared AA teams Condors Dogs M's and alike. Anyone know where or if they played?
T minus 8 days until that kid you thought was going to sign with your club becomes convinced he is to good to play with the players on your team!
Good luck to all!
So how many clubs are fielding teams this season. I see the Kings will field 2 12UAA teams and I found the information for Mariners/Shattuck on another California hockey forum called calhockeytalk.com. Apparently that forum will post everything. Looks like they will have a team as well. I also heard their first pre-tryout clinic had a lot of kids.
because they posted it on all the boards. it should have been posted in Professional Hockey Services. Looks like they got a little butt hurt and went and started their own board to push their new joint venture with Shattucks.So how many clubs are fielding teams this season. I see the Kings will field 2 12UAA teams and I found the information for Mariners/Shattuck on another California hockey forum called calhockeytalk.com. Apparently that forum will post everything. Looks like they will have a team as well. I also heard their first pre-tryout clinic had a lot of kids.
Why was it taken down here?
And 805...I have no idea why the administrator of this site keeps pulling the Mariner Shattuck info but you can always check in on the other forum calhockeytalk.com for information on all clubs.
Where did you find the 17 number? I couldn't find declarations on the new SCAHA site.
I found that the Bears, Heat, Flyers, 2xKings, 2xDucks, Goldrush, Ice Dogs, OCHC, and the Gulls were making a run at Peewee AA.
Anyone fold?
What teams am I missing?
Some simple math for CAHA to consider when making their decision to have every SOCAL AA Team travel to SJ for the "Jamboree".FYI:
45(ESTIMATED number of SoCal AA Teams traveling to SJ....PW, Bantam, Midget)
810(ESTIMATED number of SoCal AA players traveling to SJ....PW, Bantam, Midget....based on 18 player roster)
$1500(ESTIMATED cost for one parent and kid to travel to SJ for "Jamboree" weekend...flight, rental car, gas, hotels, food...)
$1,215,000(ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF MONEY SOCAL FAMILIES WILL SPEND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE "JAMBOREE" in San Jose!!)
These are just travel costs....there are club costs, missed work, missed school, etc. to consider as well.
Hopefully CAHA will see the financial stress this puts on most families and come up with a solution that is far more efficient and beneficial to the hockey families.
CAHA has a meeting coming up soon and I think any board member with an ounce of common sense will agree that there has to be a better way....
Some simple math for CAHA to consider when making their decision to have every SOCAL AA Team travel to SJ for the "Jamboree".FYI:
45(ESTIMATED number of SoCal AA Teams traveling to SJ....PW, Bantam, Midget)
810(ESTIMATED number of SoCal AA players traveling to SJ....PW, Bantam, Midget....based on 18 player roster)
$1500(ESTIMATED cost for one parent and kid to travel to SJ for "Jamboree" weekend...flight, rental car, gas, hotels, food...)
$1,215,000(ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF MONEY SOCAL FAMILIES WILL SPEND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE "JAMBOREE" in San Jose!!)
These are just travel costs....there are club costs, missed work, missed school, etc. to consider as well.
Hopefully CAHA will see the financial stress this puts on most families and come up with a solution that is far more efficient and beneficial to the hockey families.
CAHA has a meeting coming up soon and I think any board member with an ounce of common sense will agree that there has to be a better way....
Southwest Airlines "California Sale $29" just came out today, for any SoCal parents looking to travel to SJ Jamboree.
fineprint
Must purchase travel by 7/31/19 @ 11:59pm PST
Travel between 08/20/19 thru 12/18/19.
Blackout dates of 9/3/19 as well as 11/22/19 thru 12/2/19
JetBlue also has "Fetch a Deal" = $54 one way and more fineprint
Some simple math for CAHA to consider when making their decision to have every SOCAL AA Team travel to SJ for the "Jamboree".
45(ESTIMATED number of SoCal AA Teams traveling to SJ....PW, Bantam, Midget)
810(ESTIMATED number of SoCal AA players traveling to SJ....PW, Bantam, Midget....based on 18 player roster)
$1500(ESTIMATED cost for one parent and kid to travel to SJ for "Jamboree" weekend...flight, rental car, gas, hotels, food...)
$1,215,000(ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF MONEY SOCAL FAMILIES WILL SPEND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE "JAMBOREE" in San Jose!!)
These are just travel costs....there are club costs, missed work, missed school, etc. to consider as well.
Hopefully CAHA will see the financial stress this puts on most families and come up with a solution that is far more efficient and beneficial to the hockey families.
CAHA has a meeting coming up soon and I think any board member with an ounce of common sense will agree that there has to be a better way....
I know the financial math sucks for this "event" I settle for schedule or at window by division more that a couple weeks out and full games vs the mini 2 half running time games we get. If we are going to have to go to all this trouble at least make the games worth the time.Some simple math for CAHA to consider when making their decision to have every SOCAL AA Team travel to SJ for the "Jamboree".
45(ESTIMATED number of SoCal AA Teams traveling to SJ....PW, Bantam, Midget)
810(ESTIMATED number of SoCal AA players traveling to SJ....PW, Bantam, Midget....based on 18 player roster)
$1500(ESTIMATED cost for one parent and kid to travel to SJ for "Jamboree" weekend...flight, rental car, gas, hotels, food...)
$1,215,000(ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF MONEY SOCAL FAMILIES WILL SPEND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE "JAMBOREE" in San Jose!!)
These are just travel costs....there are club costs, missed work, missed school, etc. to consider as well.
Hopefully CAHA will see the financial stress this puts on most families and come up with a solution that is far more efficient and beneficial to the hockey families.
CAHA has a meeting coming up soon and I think any board member with an ounce of common sense will agree that there has to be a better way....
Based on the math above
8(ESTIMATED number of NorCal AA Teams PW, Bantam, Midget based on the 80%/20% distribution of teams last year)
144(ESTIMATED number of NorCal AA players traveling PW, Bantam, Midget....based on 18 player roster)
$1500(ESTIMATED cost for one parent and kid to travel to SoCal for "Jamboree" weekend...flight, rental car, gas, hotels, food...)
$216,000(Estimated Amount of Money for NorCal Families to travel to Socal)
If they insist on having this "Jamboree" then, we should always have it in SoCal based on the team distribution:
36 (ESTIMATED number of Socal AA Teams PW, Bantam, Midget based on the 80%/20% distribution of teams last year)
648(ESTIMATED number of SoCal AA players PW, Bantam, Midget....based on 18 player roster)
$334(ESTIMATED for each SoCal player to provide a $1500 reimbursement for the NorCal players to Travel to Socal for the useless "Jamboree")
Earliest game is 4pm Friday and latest is 4pm Monday
Earliest game is 4pm Friday and latest is 4pm Monday
Update today from CAHA. First SoCal Peewee AA games will begin Saturday morning.
So does anyone know what the hold up is with the schedule?
So does anyone know what the hold up is with the schedule?
We were given the schedule for our first two games by our manager today. I’d follow up with your team’s manager.
Thank you! Got it! Why can’t CAHA just post it online? It says online that it will be posted but it is not. Why does it always appear that they are hiding something?
Thank you! Got it! Why can’t CAHA just post it online? It says online that it will be posted but it is not. Why does it always appear that they are hiding something?
Hmm, I wonder. Maybe we should all just post the games we know about and reconstruct it.
per my friend, sounds like one flight...
per my friend, sounds like one flight...
One flight with 23 teams or are several dropping? If only one flight need to get down to 17 teams. There were 6 that did not belong.
Rumor is 16 teams.
Still, even with that bottom 5-6 teams will have minus 50+ goal differential by the end of the season, IMHO.
per my friend, sounds like one flight...
What 6 teams will be asked to play PWA?Interesting how much movement will happen in those six teams being sent down. Teams have to release all players and re-sign with club basically, all are free agents. If true, an unprecedented move in california youth hockey. Good move.
Can someone explain to me how that '09 Goldrush team beat that GSE team? I never saw Goldrush play but have seen them in the past but did see a very impressive GSE 2 team. I thought they wouldve been rocked to be honest but good for them.
GR2. Did a great job hanging with a real PWAA tier 1 team. They will be ready
as a true AA team in 29/21 season.
Quack 04, find a AAA team that has opening, then get your team release? "You know PWAA is the new PWA"
Puckslapper -
1. I am not the Flyers.
2. Flyers had tougher schedule than any teams I mentioned. Have those played Flyers schedule my guess would be your post would not exist
2019-2020 Peewee AA teams are confirmed:
Bears
Eagles(1)
Eagles(2)
Goldrush(1)
Goldrush(2)
Heat
Jr. Ducks(1)
Jr. Flyers
Jr. Ice Dogs(1)
Jr. Ice Dogs(2)
Jr. Gulls(1)
Jr. Kings(1)
Jr. Kings(2)
Jr. Reign(1)
Jr. Sharks(1)
Mariners
OC Hockey
With the modified multi age division CAHA weekends could mean only one trip up north for each SoCal team.
Flyers team has talent on it. What it could be? Half the Ducks 1 AA team consists of x-Flyers... That commute from Valencia to Lakewood rink during the week must be at least 2 hours one way? "That's hockey parent commitment".....special kind of crazy.
What a waste of a season playing a bunch of talentless teams. I guess there’s no development for the better teams. Should’ve played AAA.Quack04 The AAA teams spend more time scrimmaging AA here to add to their 6 game season so don't fret if you're going to win the CAHA trophy they'll be knocking down your door for scrimmages.
And I know a player who played Midget BB and now is in NHL - so what? We are talking majority and probability, not the exclusions.
There will be some future NHLers from bottom AA teams this year? Great. Still does not help top teams this year.
There are kids on teams that already played Flight I last year and this year they are getting worse product. Instead of step up - step down.
It is what it is, I am just saying there could be a better product for our team and my kid in particular (whom I do not call LG). So we will show up to games and we will destroy at least 6 teams. I just wish that bigger number of games would be more competitive than our internal practices.
If your son is on those bottom teams (which seems to be the case), and you think you got the product you like and 8 scores of 0-6+ does not bother you - good for you. You win.
I wish there was a better product where every level was set to be very close. The point is it doesn't happen here in CA or anywhere. As I said to Quack04 the AAA teams have all the time in the world and want to scrimmage since they only have a 6 game season. And I hope my son has a good year and scores a goal or an assist.I'm guessing you're a glass half empty kinda guy...
We probably will be scrimmaging AAA teams - that's up to the coach though. And that's separate money. Regular season became half worthless though. And again, it is what it is. Just seems like talent and skills on 07 level is quite lower than on 06 in CA (plus many 08 players on some teams - and 1st year PW used to get Flight II for the most part), hence AA division is watered down now - stronger case for flighting it but CAHA decided otherwise. Just half games out the window - maybe no big deal...
Alfirst, it’s your elitist line of thinking that has pushed so many kids out of the state to play hockey elsewhere. No state other than California flights teams and yet kids seem to excel.
Pls give me example today. I want to see if played vs those teams in AA evaluation tournament.
Ok I will do it Lord_of_the_rink... ;)
.@ronswanson1 my apologies for the post, I off course do not pretend to have the knowledge and experience about California youth hockey that you might have ....After all I did just rolled in and my kids only have 10 seasons of caha Tier 1 and Tier 2 hockey.
I did not want to ruffle any feathers ...what do I know, I just thought it would be fun and a way to validate POVs
I enjoy this site and their insightful conversations...I learn from people
Like Ronswanson1 and I get entertained. I will go back to obscurity and just read as I have the crazy believe that the development of my kids stem from team practice, stick times, skate lessons (when possible and feasible) and playing the games to the best of their abilities no matter the opponent. But perhaps I’ve had it all wrong all these years and it’s actually the opponent what drives my kids development.
Top five in alphabetical order should be Bears, Ducks 1, GSE 2, ID 1, Kings 1I'd have to agree here, looking at the penalty minutes Flyers have 60 minutes in the box. If they stay out of there maybe they have a chance to be in the top 5. Otherwise I see Bears and GSE and then JK 1 in the finals.
Agree Flyers have talent but play inconsistent to list them in top for now.
What a waste of a season playing a bunch of talentless teams. I guess there’s no development for the better teams. Should’ve played AAA.So, how's about a little weekend recap here. first of all kudos to quack04 for not deleting their comment after this weekends games. for a team that quack04 believes is "wasting" a season playing a bunch of talentless AA teams, and that "should've played AAA" here's the final tally for the weekend:
What a waste of a season playing a bunch of talentless teams. I guess there’s no development for the better teams. Should’ve played AAA.So, how's about a little weekend recap here. first of all kudos to quack04 for not deleting their comment after this weekends games. for a team that quack04 believes is "wasting" a season playing a bunch of talentless AA teams, and that "should've played AAA" here's the final tally for the weekend:
JK07AAA 13 - Ducks07AA - 0 :( Ducks07AAA 5 - Ducks 07AA - 0 :(
Total goals scored by PWAA teams against 07AAA teams this weekend: zero. :(
were there any other scrimmages by PWAA against 07AAA teams this weekend?
Ducks AA 1 is very talented team that can score a lot but they let the other teams offense get behind their D and then the flood gates open up on the scoring. The Kings 07 AAA has been playing together for quite a while and play true system that makes them successful.
This past weekend results at CCM Denver tournament
*Division 07 ELITE:
1. Golden State Elite went (5-1) and made it to the championships, lost with a score of 1-5 to NW Chargers, IL
*Division 07 AA-AAA:
1. San Jose Jr. Sharks AAA went (2-2-1) and lost in quarterfinals to Anaheim ID(1) with a score of 4-5.
2. Anaheim ID(1) went (2-3), did advance to semifinals and lost with a score of 1-4 to Chicago Young Americans, IL
*Division 08:
1. Anaheim ID(2) went (4-2) and made it to the championships, lost with a score of 3-8 to Krivo School of Hockey, CO
2. Side note, San Jose Jr. Sharks 08 AAA, went 1-3 and failed to make the cut for any playoff-consolation games
True on ID2 - have no idea why they (tournament) allowed that as team has appr. 50/50 07-08 split.
True on ID2 - have no idea why they (tournament) allowed that as team has appr. 50/50 07-08 split.
All it takes is one 08 and they are no longer an 07 team, they are an 08 team.
True on ID2 - have no idea why they (tournament) allowed that as team has appr. 50/50 07-08 split.
All it takes is one 08 and they are no longer an 07 team, they are an 08 team.
Seems like it’s the other way around. It takes one 07 and they are no longer an 08 team but an 07 team.
Kings 1 did beat Kings 2008 AAA, 7-1I think you're mixing up the 2007 and the 2008s. Younger birth years always have trouble with the older AA kids especially the flight 1 kids.
Any score updates from the weekend? I heard Ducks 1 beat Goldrush 1 10-0 in what was described as a "chippy" game. Anyone see it? I also heard the Bears beat the Reign 4-3.
MHR looks to be missing a few results from teams that could affect rankings. Overall, nice work SoCal!
Golden Knight - 100% with you on 2nd part of your statement. 1st part is confusing though - as why flighting by your logic would not mean "leveling up" - imho that's exactly what it is and what was needed this year.
And while next year is one of the crucial ones - we still are taking one year at a time and need to live through this one.
That sounds a little bit like a coach excuse for a "3rd liner": you have same touches during practices so if you sit during the game it's fine.
But the game is a test and some skills and hockey IQ can develop only during competitive games. Ultimately - it's about a game. Otherwise - we can stop playing any games and just concentrate on practices.
That sounds a little bit like a coach excuse for a "3rd liner": you have same touches during practices so if you sit during the game it's fine.Don't agree that hockey IQ can only develop during games but, yes, competitive instincts, full checking at Bantam and beyond, and hockey IQ develop best in games.
But the game is a test and some skills and hockey IQ can develop only during competitive games. Ultimately - it's about a game. Otherwise - we can stop playing any games and just concentrate on practices.
Which venue is the toughest this weekend? Vacaville or riverside?
Who shines? Who sinks?
Though Riverside will have my attention, I'll be watching Vacaville closely. As stated, three of the top five teams will be there. To me the most telling game will be GSE1 versus Ducks1 at 0600. That is a potential 1 v. 2 matchup right out of the gate and should have implications for the rest of us!
All it matters Kings 1 did well & Kings 2 “S ed†bed... Back to watching my Dodgers in Game 3...
All it matters Kings 1 did well & Kings 2 “S ed†bed... Back to watching my Dodgers in Game 3...
How do you define "well"? No offense to anyone, but I'm not sure Kings 1 played anyone other than Valencia. From what I saw on the evaluation weekend (and further validated this weekend) was that the Kings only played bottom third teams with Valenica somewhere in the middle. "Undefeated" is great and all, but we can all agree some of these teams are going to struggle. In my opinion it might be a tad early to start beating the greatness drum...
That said, based on conversations I've had with people in NorCal and SoCal all weekend, here are my picks:
1. Ducks1
2. GSE2
3. ID1
4. GSE1
5. Goldrush2
6. ID2
7. Kings1
8. Valencia
9. Bears
10. ID2
The most interesting thing I heard was regarding GSE2. Apparently, they've got a stud player that can take over a game. From what I was told, their game today versus Ducks1 was a battle. They might be one to watch.
Kings1 went 4-0 out in Riverside and ther are two ID2 listed in this AP top 10 poll. ID2 also beat GR2 today so not sure why they would be behind them
I heard that GR2 actually lost to ID2. CAHA has it reversed. Is this true?
All it matters Kings 1 did well & Kings 2 “S ed†bed... Back to watching my Dodgers in Game 3...
How do you define "well"? No offense to anyone, but I'm not sure Kings 1 played anyone other than Valencia. From what I saw on the evaluation weekend (and further validated this weekend) was that the Kings only played bottom third teams with Valenica somewhere in the middle. "Undefeated" is great and all, but we can all agree some of these teams are going to struggle. In my opinion it might be a tad early to start beating the greatness drum...
That said, based on conversations I've had with people in NorCal and SoCal all weekend, here are my picks:
1. Ducks1
2. GSE2
3. ID1
4. GSE1
5. Goldrush2
6. ID2
7. Kings1
8. Valencia
9. Bears
10. ID2
The most interesting thing I heard was regarding GSE2. Apparently, they've got a stud player that can take over a game. From what I was told, their game today versus Ducks1 was a battle. They might be one to watch.
Kings 1 have already beat ID 1 and ID 2 both by 3 goals and tied GSE 2. 7th is an interesting choice based on the games they have played.
ID Runtso beat GR1 either 12/11 to 1.
I heard the Ducks just lost to C-K Cyclones in the AAA Motown Classic, 7-0. C-K Cyclones is #52 on MHR Ontario. League.
Hmmm, "my source" being yourself ?! 8)
Good luck at the tournament!
My source confirmed this.
Ducks lost 5:3 to FL Alliance AAA #55 on MHR.
My source confirmed Ducks tied 4:4 NW Chargers AA #7 on MHR.
Triple confirmed!
I bet you don't know what comes after triple!!!
If you are going to be smart a make sure you are smart, other wise you are just an a.
Golden Knight, how is it that 11 or 12 year old boys could travel across the country and not be at their best? When professional football teams travel so far to play a game, are they at their best? That is why home teams are typically favored.
Golden Knight, I don't profess to judge your intent. Just not surprising kids from California might do not as well as expected or hoped when traveling a long distance. As it is, CA teams do surprisingly well when traveling. Thanks for sharing results.
I'd move Valencia down and Kings and Bears up. Surprised Bears lost today.
I'd move Valencia down and Kings and Bears up. Surprised Bears lost today.
My apologies to the Heat. I meant to put the Heat in at ten, not the Mariners. My mistake!
I can see the Heat climbing the polls. CAHA in two weeks will flush some pretenders out...
What are you hearing GK? Any early speculation on potential winners and losers from releases requested/contemplated?
These posts about buyers and sellers and parents pompously jumping ship from team to team every year is everything that is wrong with CAHA and hockey in California. Shame on those clubs and people. Funniest part is simple: not all of the best players in CA play AAA or AA because they are happy playing hockey where they are. Don't kid yourselves, "the best players in CA" don't all play Tier 1 hockey.
These posts about buyers and sellers and parents pompously jumping ship from team to team every year is everything that is wrong with CAHA and hockey in California. Shame on those clubs and people. Funniest part is simple: not all of the best players in CA play AAA or AA because they are happy playing hockey where they are. Don't kid yourselves, "the best players in CA" don't all play Tier 1 hockey.How do you know this Blades? Does your son or daughter go to AAA spring clinics and then tryouts? Does he go the Select tryouts? It takes a really good eye to compare players across A, AA, and AAA when the overall speed of play is different at each level. That is why Selects put all the kids on the ice at the same time. My guess is that it is impossible without having direct competition across levels. A forward might have dazzling moves playing A but lose the puck easily to a AAA defender who is just quicker and faster. A defender may be big and strong playing A and overwhelm smaller and slow forwards but be made to look silly against a AAA forward with quickness.
These posts about buyers and sellers and parents pompously jumping ship from team to team every year is everything that is wrong with CAHA and hockey in California. Shame on those clubs and people. Funniest part is simple: not all of the best players in CA play AAA or AA because they are happy playing hockey where they are. Don't kid yourselves, "the best players in CA" don't all play Tier 1 hockey.How do you know this Blades? Does your son or daughter go to AAA spring clinics and then tryouts? Does he go the Select tryouts? It takes a really good eye to compare players across A, AA, and AAA when the overall speed of play is different at each level. That is why Selects put all the kids on the ice at the same time. My guess is that it is impossible without having direct competition across levels. A forward might have dazzling moves playing A but lose the puck easily to a AAA defender who is just quicker and faster. A defender may be big and strong playing A and overwhelm smaller and slow forwards but be made to look silly against a AAA forward with quickness.
It might happen with a kid who is a first or second year A player because their game may evolve super fast.
My observation has been that most AAA players started out ahead of their peers and stay ahead because better coaching, better practices, more private stick times, and better competition. The same is true of AA players with more variation because financial costs and willingness to travel sometimes separate AA from AAA.
Good and insightful response Blades. Some points for exploration. 1. The fact that hockey especially in CA is about money is a separate and distinct argument from the quality of AAA or AA players.These posts about buyers and sellers and parents pompously jumping ship from team to team every year is everything that is wrong with CAHA and hockey in California. Shame on those clubs and people. Funniest part is simple: not all of the best players in CA play AAA or AA because they are happy playing hockey where they are. Don't kid yourselves, "the best players in CA" don't all play Tier 1 hockey.How do you know this Blades? Does your son or daughter go to AAA spring clinics and then tryouts? Does he go the Select tryouts? It takes a really good eye to compare players across A, AA, and AAA when the overall speed of play is different at each level. That is why Selects put all the kids on the ice at the same time. My guess is that it is impossible without having direct competition across levels. A forward might have dazzling moves playing A but lose the puck easily to a AAA defender who is just quicker and faster. A defender may be big and strong playing A and overwhelm smaller and slow forwards but be made to look silly against a AAA forward with quickness.
It might happen with a kid who is a first or second year A player because their game may evolve super fast.
My observation has been that most AAA players started out ahead of their peers and stay ahead because better coaching, better practices, more private stick times, and better competition. The same is true of AA players with more variation because financial costs and willingness to travel sometimes separate AA from AAA.
I appreciate your faith in the coaching and reputation of selects and clinics at the highest levels, but I am of the ilk that believes most of it to be a money maker where the coaches already have their rosters and favorites.
As for the speed of the game, I see it all the time - the super goal scorer who gets 10 breakaways a game at lower levels and his parents immediately think he should be playing AAA. That same player would never make "my roster" because most of the time they are not a complete player. The speed you speak of is a new trendy shift in the desire and design of today's hockey game. In reality, the puck will always move faster than the fastest skaters in the world. Start looking at players for hockey sense and their ability to move the puck because they have hockey sense, awareness, and vision. I am finding more and more that the players that do not belong on the ice at higher levels have good edges, speed, but a complete lack of understanding hockey situations on the ice.
I often wonder how much is hockey and hockey culture a part of these players lives. Do they watch hockey every day? Do they play hockey on video games? Do they watch highlights every morning before going to school? Are they participating in a fantasy hockey league (thereby giving them a deeper knowledge by studying the game)? Are they out back, in the driveway, or in the garage working on their craft on their own on a daily basis? Answering 'YES' to all of these questions will provide your hockey player (even at age 10-12) with true "hockey sense" and at a higher success rate when compared to clinics and "better coaching." I am of the opinion that most of the youth hockey players in CA answer 'NO' to most of those questions even at the highest levels.
ID1 and Jr. Ducks are currently playing in the Chicago AAA World Invite. So far, Ducks are 2-0 and ID1 are 1-1. Both look like they can move on to the quarterfinals (tournament rules say that top four from each division move on). Let's go SoCal!
In Chicago ID1 and Ducks lost in last 16, not in quarters. There were 4 divisions and 4 teams per each qualified.
Ducks were 1st in theirs and in sweet 16 lost to a team that got only 2 points on Round Robin - and that was vs ID1.
So both teams were eliminated in the early rounds but in close games.
Last games were simply consolations.
Just couple corrections:
NW Chargers lost in semis to Omaha team, not in final.
Clearwater beat ID 2 team, not ID1
And just FYI - ID1 and Ducks played mid-07 division called Jetspeeds. There was another division where top teams (supposedly higher level AAA) played.
ID2 and Bears played lesser division called Ribcor.
In other state tons of AAA teams more often that not can be really weighted equally vs good AA teams from CA as they do not have those franchise restrictions.
For all the rankings - as everyone does not play everyone a lot depends on the strength of local market teams and how those won/losses are weighted. Personally would not put too much credit on that.
E.g. Goldrush PWA team is ranked higher than ID2 team. I highly doubt GR is any better than ID2.
But yes, CA teams can measure sticks on the "open" market. No trophies so far, middle of the pack results but no blunder.
Just couple corrections:RANKINGS DON'T ME SHIT !!
NW Chargers lost in semis to Omaha team, not in final.
Clearwater beat ID 2 team, not ID1
And just FYI - ID1 and Ducks played mid-07 division called Jetspeeds. There was another division where top teams (supposedly higher level AAA) played.
ID2 and Bears played lesser division called Ribcor.
In other state tons of AAA teams more often that not can be really weighted equally vs good AA teams from CA as they do not have those franchise restrictions.
For all the rankings - as everyone does not play everyone a lot depends on the strength of local market teams and how those won/losses are weighted. Personally would not put too much credit on that.
E.g. Goldrush PWA team is ranked higher than ID2 team. I highly doubt GR is any better than ID2.
But yes, CA teams can measure sticks on the "open" market. No trophies so far, middle of the pack results but no blunder.
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively. Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES. To think otherwise would be foolish.Rankings are real.......for the real delusional. Not my first rodeo. MANY a time has a team ranked higher all year get beaten by a much lower ranked team. Especially when tournaments are played back east.NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively. Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES. To think otherwise would be foolish.NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively. Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES. To think otherwise would be foolish.NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz
Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but in AA the MHR rankings are not an accurate reflection of standings because scores are reported too inconsistently (garbage in = garbage out) and they do not have much predictive value (too many teams and too few points of comparison). I have often seen bottom-dwelling AA teams rank higher than top AA teams because one reports results and the other doesn't In AAA they are a better reflection of actual "rankings" (because data reporting is better) [size=78%]but only according to one particular algorithm which the best-run clubs are adept at [/size]gaming[size=78%]. Even there [/size][size=78%]the predictive value is poor outside of the top 5 or 10 teams, although the results do give you a decent general sense of which quartile or quintile a team is in with respect to competitiveness. It's not unusual for top California AA teams to be competitive with bottom half AAA teams nationally.[/size]
The ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively. Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES. To think otherwise would be foolish.NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz
Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but in AA the MHR rankings are not an accurate reflection of standings because scores are reported too inconsistently (garbage in = garbage out) and they do not have much predictive value (too many teams and too few points of comparison). I have often seen bottom-dwelling AA teams rank higher than top AA teams because one reports results and the other doesn't In AAA they are a better reflection of actual "rankings" (because data reporting is better) [size=78%]but only according to one particular algorithm which the best-run clubs are adept at [/size]gaming[size=78%]. Even there [/size][size=78%]the predictive value is poor outside of the top 5 or 10 teams, although the results do give you a decent general sense of which quartile or quintile a team is in with respect to competitiveness. It's not unusual for top California AA teams to be competitive with bottom half AAA teams nationally.[/size]
The ranking on MHR are uploaded by fact-checking individuals. The scores must be reported from a legitimate source aka league/team site. If you see a mistake, there is a link to submit information to fix the score. The person responsible for the team/league then can fact-check it and fix it. It works and works within 2-3 days. I have submitted fixes and schedule scores with 100% success and satisfaction. So, please, don't spread lies and misinformation about MHR and its system.
Do all teams have a representative/volunteer to submit EVERY score from every game? No. If you do not like it, be the person who clicks the link to submit proof of scores from a team/league website for teams without a full results schedule on MHR. It is literally that easy.
You all want the rankings to be exact and a perfect predictor for who is better than whom? That is moronic. Every sport at every level in the sporting world has some sort of "Power Rankings." Show me the one rankings system that is 1,000% a perfect and exact predictor or show me one that has never EVER had a team(s) grossly undervalued, and I will show you pigs flying over winged unicorns while Atreyu dances with David Bowie singing "Oh! You Pretty Things." ( It's all a FANTASY!)
Ranking are for fun, but if you want to bash 'em b/c your kids team should be ranked 50 spots higher out of 1,400+ possible teams, I submit you watch old clips of "Daily Affirmations With Stuart Smalley" because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, you're just a hockey parent.
LolThe ranking on MHR are a very real and accurate representation of where teams are comparatively. Perfect, no, but pretty darn close, YES. To think otherwise would be foolish.NEWS FLASH... baseball is boring zZz ZZz z Z zzz
Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but in AA the MHR rankings are not an accurate reflection of standings because scores are reported too inconsistently (garbage in = garbage out) and they do not have much predictive value (too many teams and too few points of comparison). I have often seen bottom-dwelling AA teams rank higher than top AA teams because one reports results and the other doesn't In AAA they are a better reflection of actual "rankings" (because data reporting is better) [size=78%]but only according to one particular algorithm which the best-run clubs are adept at [/size]gaming[size=78%]. Even there [/size][size=78%]the predictive value is poor outside of the top 5 or 10 teams, although the results do give you a decent general sense of which quartile or quintile a team is in with respect to competitiveness. It's not unusual for top California AA teams to be competitive with bottom half AAA teams nationally.[/size]
The ranking on MHR are uploaded by fact-checking individuals. The scores must be reported from a legitimate source aka league/team site. If you see a mistake, there is a link to submit information to fix the score. The person responsible for the team/league then can fact-check it and fix it. It works and works within 2-3 days. I have submitted fixes and schedule scores with 100% success and satisfaction. So, please, don't spread lies and misinformation about MHR and its system.
Do all teams have a representative/volunteer to submit EVERY score from every game? No. If you do not like it, be the person who clicks the link to submit proof of scores from a team/league website for teams without a full results schedule on MHR. It is literally that easy.
You all want the rankings to be exact and a perfect predictor for who is better than whom? That is moronic. Every sport at every level in the sporting world has some sort of "Power Rankings." Show me the one rankings system that is 1,000% a perfect and exact predictor or show me one that has never EVER had a team(s) grossly undervalued, and I will show you pigs flying over winged unicorns while Atreyu dances with David Bowie singing "Oh! You Pretty Things." ( It's all a FANTASY!)
Ranking are for fun, but if you want to bash 'em b/c your kids team should be ranked 50 spots higher out of 1,400+ possible teams, I submit you watch old clips of "Daily Affirmations With Stuart Smalley" because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, you're just a hockey parent.
Please read the posts to which you are responding before making yourself look like to total tool. I wasn't "bashing" the MHR rankings, just describing what they do and don't do.
But thank you for agreeing with me that they aren't reliable or highly predictive, I guess.
You missed a classic one used for years, “The kids had a 6 hour drive and then had to play a game.â€
Good stuff!
Ok... here are the AA games this weekend. For entertainment purposes, go ahead and predict winning team and goal differential for each game. After the weekend concludes, we can then check against MHR to see if you did better than their rankings predict. This will be fun... everyone feel free to participate.
11/08/19 3:00p 12033 Jr. Ducks(1) Jr. Flyers Lakewood 5-2
11/08/19 4:00p 12034 Mariners OC Hockey Lakewood 3-2
11/08/19 4:40p 12035 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 5-2
11/08/19 5:40p 12036 Jr. Sharks(1) Goldrush(1) Lakewood 2-4
11/08/19 6:20p 12037 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Eagles(1) Lakewood 4-2
11/08/19 8:00p 12038 Eagles(2) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 5-1
11/09/19 7:30a 12039 Mariners Jr. Reign(1) Lakewood 1-4
11/09/19 7:45a 12040 Jr. Flyers Heat Lakewood 5-4
11/09/19 9:10a 12041 Goldrush(1) Eagles(1) Lakewood 0-5
11/09/19 9:25a 12042 Eagles(2) Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Lakewood 4-2
11/09/19 10:50a 12043 Goldrush(2) Jr. Sharks(1) Lakewood 4-0
11/09/19 11:05a 12044 Jr. Kings(1) Bears Lakewood 4-2
11/09/19 12:45p 12045 Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 1-7
11/09/19 2:10p 12046 Mariners Jr. Gulls(1) Lakewood 1-4
11/09/19 3:50p 12047 Jr. Sharks(1) Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Lakewood 1-5
11/09/19 4:05p 12048 Eagles(2) Goldrush(1) Lakewood 6-0
11/09/19 5:50p 12049 Bears Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 6-1
11/09/19 7:10p 12050 Eagles(1) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 5-2
11/09/19 7:25p 12051 OC Hockey Heat Lakewood 1-6
11/10/19 7:00a 12052 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 1-7
11/10/19 8:40a 12053 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Jr. Flyers Lakewood 4-3
11/10/19 8:40a 12054 Bears Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Lakewood 4-1
11/10/19 10:20a 12056 Eagles(2) Jr. Kings(1) Lakewood 5-3
11/10/19 10:20a 12055 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Sharks(1) Lakewood 5-1
11/10/19 12:00p 12057 Eagles(1) Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 5-0
11/10/19 12:00p 12058 Goldrush(1) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 1-4
11/10/19 3:20p 12059 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Lakewood 3-2
11/10/19 3:20p 12060 Bears Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 2-5
11/10/19 5:00p 12062 OC Hockey Jr. Reign(1) Lakewood 1-4
OK - so this time it worked - I am taking a challenge and posting my scoresOk... here are the AA games this weekend. For entertainment purposes, go ahead and predict winning team and goal differential for each game. After the weekend concludes, we can then check against MHR to see if you did better than their rankings predict. This will be fun... everyone feel free to participate.
11/08/19 3:00p 12033 Jr. Ducks(1) Jr. Flyers Lakewood 5-2
11/08/19 4:00p 12034 Mariners OC Hockey Lakewood 3-2
11/08/19 4:40p 12035 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 5-2
11/08/19 5:40p 12036 Jr. Sharks(1) Goldrush(1) Lakewood 2-4
11/08/19 6:20p 12037 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Eagles(1) Lakewood 4-2
11/08/19 8:00p 12038 Eagles(2) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 5-1
11/09/19 7:30a 12039 Mariners Jr. Reign(1) Lakewood 1-4
11/09/19 7:45a 12040 Jr. Flyers Heat Lakewood 5-4
11/09/19 9:10a 12041 Goldrush(1) Eagles(1) Lakewood 0-5
11/09/19 9:25a 12042 Eagles(2) Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Lakewood 4-2
11/09/19 10:50a 12043 Goldrush(2) Jr. Sharks(1) Lakewood 4-0
11/09/19 11:05a 12044 Jr. Kings(1) Bears Lakewood 4-2
11/09/19 12:45p 12045 Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 1-7
11/09/19 2:10p 12046 Mariners Jr. Gulls(1) Lakewood 1-4
11/09/19 3:50p 12047 Jr. Sharks(1) Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Lakewood 1-5
11/09/19 4:05p 12048 Eagles(2) Goldrush(1) Lakewood 6-0
11/09/19 5:50p 12049 Bears Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 6-1
11/09/19 7:10p 12050 Eagles(1) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 5-2
11/09/19 7:25p 12051 OC Hockey Heat Lakewood 1-6
11/10/19 7:00a 12052 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 1-7
11/10/19 8:40a 12053 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Jr. Flyers Lakewood 4-3
11/10/19 8:40a 12054 Bears Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Lakewood 4-1
11/10/19 10:20a 12056 Eagles(2) Jr. Kings(1) Lakewood 5-3
11/10/19 10:20a 12055 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Sharks(1) Lakewood 5-1
11/10/19 12:00p 12057 Eagles(1) Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 5-0
11/10/19 12:00p 12058 Goldrush(1) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 1-4
11/10/19 3:20p 12059 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Lakewood 3-2
11/10/19 3:20p 12060 Bears Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 2-5
11/10/19 5:00p 12062 OC Hockey Jr. Reign(1) Lakewood 1-4
| Alfirst | JAHP | |||||||||
| 11/08/19 3:00p 12033 Jr. Ducks(1) Jr. Flyers Lakewood 5-2 | 4-5 | |||||||||
| 11/08/19 4:00p 12034 Mariners OC Hockey Lakewood 3-2 | 1-3 | |||||||||
| 11/08/19 4:40p 12035 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 5-2 | 5-1 | |||||||||
| 11/08/19 5:40p 12036 Jr. Sharks(1) Goldrush(1) Lakewood 2-4 | 1-5 | |||||||||
| 11/08/19 6:20p 12037 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Eagles(1) Lakewood 4-2 | 2-2 | |||||||||
| 11/08/19 8:00p 12038 Eagles(2) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 5-1 | 8-2 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 7:30a 12039 Mariners Jr. Reign(1) Lakewood 1-4 | 1-6 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 7:45a 12040 Jr. Flyers Heat Lakewood 5-4 | 6-3 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 9:10a 12041 Goldrush(1) Eagles(1) Lakewood 0-5 | 2-4 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 9:25a 12042 Eagles(2) Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Lakewood 4-2 | 5-3 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 10:50a 12043 Goldrush(2) Jr. Sharks(1) Lakewood 4-0 | 3-1 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 11:05a 12044 Jr. Kings(1) Bears Lakewood 4-2 | 6-3 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 12:45p 12045 Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 1-7 | 2-5 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 2:10p 12046 Mariners Jr. Gulls(1) Lakewood 1-4 | 0-4 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 3:50p 12047 Jr. Sharks(1) Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Lakewood 1-5 | 1-8 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 4:05p 12048 Eagles(2) Goldrush(1) Lakewood 6-0 | 5-2 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 5:50p 12049 Bears Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 6-1 | 4-2 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 7:10p 12050 Eagles(1) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 5-2 | 5-2 | |||||||||
| 11/09/19 7:25p 12051 OC Hockey Heat Lakewood 1-6 | 1-5 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 7:00a 12052 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 1-7 | 2-6 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 8:40a 12053 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Jr. Flyers Lakewood 4-3 | 3-3 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 8:40a 12054 Bears Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Lakewood 4-1 | 4-3 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 10:20a 12056 Eagles(2) Jr. Kings(1) Lakewood 5-3 | 3-4 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 10:20a 12055 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Sharks(1) Lakewood 5-1 | 7-1 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 12:00p 12057 Eagles(1) Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 5-0 | 6-1 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 12:00p 12058 Goldrush(1) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 1-4 | 3-3 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 3:20p 12059 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Lakewood 3-2 | 2-4 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 3:20p 12060 Bears Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 2-5 | 3-5 | |||||||||
| 11/10/19 5:00p 12062 OC Hockey Jr. Reign(1) Lakewood 1-4 | 2-6 |
Alfirst JAHP 11/08/19 3:00p 12033 Jr. Ducks(1) Jr. Flyers Lakewood 5-2 4-5 11/08/19 4:00p 12034 Mariners OC Hockey Lakewood 3-2 1-3 11/08/19 4:40p 12035 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 5-2 5-1 11/08/19 5:40p 12036 Jr. Sharks(1) Goldrush(1) Lakewood 2-4 1-5 11/08/19 6:20p 12037 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Eagles(1) Lakewood 4-2 2-2 11/08/19 8:00p 12038 Eagles(2) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 5-1 8-2 11/09/19 7:30a 12039 Mariners Jr. Reign(1) Lakewood 1-4 1-6 11/09/19 7:45a 12040 Jr. Flyers Heat Lakewood 5-4 6-3 11/09/19 9:10a 12041 Goldrush(1) Eagles(1) Lakewood 0-5 2-4 11/09/19 9:25a 12042 Eagles(2) Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Lakewood 4-2 5-3 11/09/19 10:50a 12043 Goldrush(2) Jr. Sharks(1) Lakewood 4-0 3-1 11/09/19 11:05a 12044 Jr. Kings(1) Bears Lakewood 4-2 6-3 11/09/19 12:45p 12045 Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 1-7 2-5 11/09/19 2:10p 12046 Mariners Jr. Gulls(1) Lakewood 1-4 0-4 11/09/19 3:50p 12047 Jr. Sharks(1) Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Lakewood 1-5 1-8 11/09/19 4:05p 12048 Eagles(2) Goldrush(1) Lakewood 6-0 5-2 11/09/19 5:50p 12049 Bears Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 6-1 4-2 11/09/19 7:10p 12050 Eagles(1) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 5-2 5-2 11/09/19 7:25p 12051 OC Hockey Heat Lakewood 1-6 1-5 11/10/19 7:00a 12052 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 1-7 2-6 11/10/19 8:40a 12053 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Jr. Flyers Lakewood 4-3 3-3 11/10/19 8:40a 12054 Bears Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Lakewood 4-1 4-3 11/10/19 10:20a 12056 Eagles(2) Jr. Kings(1) Lakewood 5-3 3-4 11/10/19 10:20a 12055 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Sharks(1) Lakewood 5-1 7-1 11/10/19 12:00p 12057 Eagles(1) Jr. Kings(2) Lakewood 5-0 6-1 11/10/19 12:00p 12058 Goldrush(1) Goldrush(2) Lakewood 1-4 3-3 11/10/19 3:20p 12059 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Lakewood 3-2 2-4 11/10/19 3:20p 12060 Bears Jr. Ducks(1) Lakewood 2-5 3-5 11/10/19 5:00p 12062 OC Hockey Jr. Reign(1) Lakewood 1-4 2-6
Ok... so I may have stepped out on a couple... anyone else care to enter the friendly competition? You have until 3:00 today to do so!
Here are my predictions.
11/08/19 Jr. Ducks(1) Jr. Flyers 6-3
11/08/19 Mariners OC Hockey 1-4
11/08/19 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Kings(2) 4-2
11/08/19 Jr. Sharks(1) Goldrush(1) 1-3
11/08/19 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Eagles(1) 2-2
11/08/19 Eagles(2) Goldrush(2) 5-3
11/09/19 Mariners Jr. Reign(1) 1-5
11/09/19 Jr. Flyers Heat 5-4
11/09/19 Goldrush(1) Eagles(1) 0-6
11/09/19 Eagles(2) Jr. Ice Dogs(1) 4-2
11/09/19 Goldrush(2) Jr. Sharks (1) 5-0
11/09/19 Jr. Kings(1) Bears 5-2
11/09/19 Jr. Ice Dogs(2) Jr. Ducks(1) 2-7
11/09/19 Mariners Jr. Gulls(1) 2-5
11/09/19 Jr. Sharks(1) Jr. Ice Dogs (1) 0-7
11/09/19 Eagles(2) Goldrush(1) 8-0
11/09/19 Bears Jr. Kings(2) 6-1
11/09/19 Eagles(1) Goldrush(2) 5-2
11/09/19 OC Hockey Heat 1-5
11/10/19 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ducks(1) 1-6
11/10/19 Jr. Ice Dogs(1) Jr. Flyers 6-4
11/10/19 Bears Jr. Ice Dogs(2) 5-2
11/10/19 Eagles(2) Jr. Kings(1) 4-3
11/10/19 Jr. Reign(1) Jr. Sharks(1) 5-1
11/10/19 Eagles(1) Jr. Kings(2) 7-0
11/10/19 Goldrush(1) Goldrush(2) 1-5
11/10/19 Jr. Gulls(1) Jr. Ice Dogs (2) 2-4
11/10/19 Bears Jr. Ducks(1) 4-6
11/10/19 OC Hockey Jr. Reign(1) 1-4
11/10/19 Jr. Kings (1) Heat 5-3
Alfirst - just have to ask this question, how much pee wee AA hockey do you watch to make these predictions? You seem to know all the players and their skill level.
Ducks parent? It was closer than that. From what I was told It was an even game with up and down play and it was a 2-1 game late into 3rd and flyers got caught trying to generate some offense.
| Home | Visitor | Actual sprd | Alf sprd | Alf diff | JAHP sprd | JAHP diff | HDad sprd | HDad diff | MHR sprd | MHR diff | ||
| Jr. Ducks(1) | 5 | Jr. Flyers | 1 | 4 | 3 | 1 | -1 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 1.4 | 2.6 |
| Mariners | 1 | OC Hockey | 2 | -1 | 1 | -2 | -2 | 1 | -3 | 2 | -2.1 | 1.1 |
| Jr. Reign(1) | 0 | Jr. Kings(2) | 1 | -1 | 3 | -4 | 4 | -5 | 2 | -3 | 1.4 | -2.4 |
| Jr. Sharks(1) | 2 | Goldrush(1) | 6 | -4 | -2 | -2 | -4 | 0 | -2 | -2 | -1.7 | -2.3 |
| Jr. Ice Dogs(1) | 2 | Eagles(1) | 2 | 0 | 2 | -2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.9 | -0.9 |
| Eagles(2) | 5 | Goldrush(2) | 3 | 2 | 4 | -2 | 6 | -4 | 2 | 0 | 2.5 | -0.5 |
| Mariners | 2 | Jr. Reign(1) | 5 | -3 | -3 | 0 | -5 | 2 | -4 | 1 | -1.8 | -1.2 |
| Jr. Flyers | 2 | Heat | 5 | -3 | 1 | -4 | 3 | -6 | 1 | -4 | 2.3 | -5.3 |
| Goldrush(1) | 1 | Eagles(1) | 7 | -6 | -5 | -1 | -2 | -4 | -6 | 0 | -4.0 | -2.0 |
| Eagles(2) | 2 | Jr. Ice Dogs(1) | 4 | -2 | 2 | -4 | 2 | -4 | 2 | -4 | 0.3 | -2.3 |
| Goldrush(2) | 3 | Jr. Sharks(1) | 2 | 1 | 4 | -3 | 2 | -1 | 5 | -4 | 4.5 | -3.5 |
| Jr. Kings(1) | 3 | Bears | 5 | -2 | 2 | -4 | 3 | -5 | 3 | -5 | 1.0 | -3.0 |
| Jr. Ice Dogs(2) | 0 | Jr. Ducks(1) | 10 | -10 | -6 | -4 | -3 | -7 | -5 | -5 | -3.5 | -6.5 |
| Mariners | 0 | Jr. Gulls(1) | 2 | -2 | -3 | 1 | -4 | 2 | -3 | 1 | -4.1 | 2.1 |
| Jr. Sharks(1) | 1 | Jr. Ice Dogs(1) | 4 | -3 | -4 | 1 | -7 | 4 | -7 | 4 | -6.7 | 3.7 |
| Eagles(2) | 6 | Goldrush(1) | 3 | 3 | 6 | -3 | 3 | 0 | 8 | -5 | 5.2 | -2.2 |
| Bears | 5 | Jr. Kings(2) | 1 | 4 | 5 | -1 | 2 | 2 | 5 | -1 | 4.3 | -0.3 |
| Eagles(1) | 5 | Goldrush(2) | 0 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1.2 | 3.8 |
| OC Hockey | 6 | Heat | 6 | 0 | -5 | 5 | -4 | 4 | -4 | 4 | -1.9 | 1.9 |
| Jr. Gulls(1) | 2 | Jr. Ducks(1) | 8 | -6 | -6 | 0 | -4 | -2 | -5 | -1 | -3.6 | -2.4 |
| Jr. Ice Dogs(1) | 5 | Jr. Flyers | 8 | -3 | 1 | -4 | 0 | -3 | 2 | -5 | 0.2 | -3.2 |
| Bears | 4 | Jr. Ice Dogs(2) | 1 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0.4 | 2.6 |
| Eagles(2) | 3 | Jr. Kings(1) | 6 | -3 | 2 | -5 | -1 | -2 | 1 | -4 | 1.1 | -4.1 |
| Jr. Reign(1) | 2 | Jr. Sharks(1) | 4 | -2 | 4 | -6 | 6 | -8 | 4 | -6 | 1.9 | -3.9 |
| Eagles(1) | 8 | Jr. Kings(2) | 0 | 8 | 5 | 3 | 5 | 3 | 7 | 1 | 5.2 | 2.8 |
| Goldrush(1) | 3 | Goldrush(2) | 1 | 2 | -3 | 5 | 0 | 2 | -4 | 6 | -2.8 | 4.8 |
| Jr. Gulls(1) | 2 | Jr. Ice Dogs(2) | 3 | -1 | 1 | -2 | -2 | 1 | -2 | 1 | -0.2 | -0.8 |
| Bears | 2 | Jr. Ducks(1) | 7 | -5 | -3 | -2 | -2 | -3 | -2 | -3 | -3.1 | -2.0 |
| OC Hockey | 6 | Jr. Reign(1) | 1 | 5 | -3 | 8 | -4 | 9 | -3 | 8 | 0.3 | 4.7 |
| Heat | 2 | Jr. Kings(1) | 6 |
-1 | -3 | -3 | -1 | -2 | -2 | -1.7 | -2.3 | |||||
| TOTAL Spread Diff. | -24 | 8 | -32 | -8 | -16 | -1 | -23 | -2.9 | -21.1 | |||
| # best predictions | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 |
There were some curious results this past weekend. Based on our two points of reference, here's our updated list:
1. Ducks 1
2. GSE 1
3. ID 1
4. Flyers
5. Kings 1
6. GSE 2
7. Heat
8. Bears
9. ID 2
10. Goldrush 1
Thoughts??
OC Hockey Dad 07... Based off your rankings your too generous.... Please get back to reality!!!
Golden Knight... You’ve rated the Flyers & Heat too high based off this pasted CAHA weekend... Flyers upset ID1. Heat beat the Flyers. Didn’t show up for OCHC. Got lucky they tied, should off lost? Flyers are good but not quite at the level of JD1, GSE1 or our Kings1...
Golden Knight... You’ve rated the Flyers & Heat too high based off this pasted CAHA weekend... Flyers upset ID1. Heat beat the Flyers. Didn’t show up for OCHC. Got lucky they tied, should off lost? Flyers are good but not quite at the level of JD1, GSE1 or our Kings1...
Kings 1 also lost to the AAA 08 Ducks. In my mind, this disqualifies them from a top spot. Also, as previously stated, the Kings are one of the teams that have a Jekyl/Hyde complex. Having seen them play I remain unconvinced that they can play team hockey.
Flyers are a better team than Kings 1. The Heat are also trending up. Both teams have shown they can compete. From what I've seen, the toughest teams are Ducks, ID1, GSE 1 and 2, Flyers, and Heat. Sorry 2 Cups, your Kings aren't passing (literally) the eye test.
Golden Knight... You’ve rated the Flyers & Heat too high based off this pasted CAHA weekend... Flyers upset ID1. Heat beat the Flyers. Didn’t show up for OCHC. Got lucky they tied, should off lost? Flyers are good but not quite at the level of JD1, GSE1 or our Kings1...
Kings 1 also lost to the AAA 08 Ducks. In my mind, this disqualifies them from a top spot. Also, as previously stated, the Kings are one of the teams that have a Jekyl/Hyde complex. Having seen them play I remain unconvinced that they can play team hockey.
Flyers are a better team than Kings 1. The Heat are also trending up. Both teams have shown they can compete. From what I've seen, the toughest teams are Ducks, ID1, GSE 1 and 2, Flyers, and Heat. Sorry 2 Cups, your Kings aren't passing (literally) the eye test.
No one can take that top 6 seriously. You have the 2 worst of the top 8 based on CAHA games.
Certainly Kings 1 belong in the top, they beat Flyers, Heat and GSE (2), 3 from your top 6.
Golden Knight... You’ve rated the Flyers & Heat too high based off this pasted CAHA weekend... Flyers upset ID1. Heat beat the Flyers. Didn’t show up for OCHC. Got lucky they tied, should off lost? Flyers are good but not quite at the level of JD1, GSE1 or our Kings1...
Kings 1 also lost to the AAA 08 Ducks. In my mind, this disqualifies them from a top spot. Also, as previously stated, the Kings are one of the teams that have a Jekyl/Hyde complex. Having seen them play I remain unconvinced that they can play team hockey.
Flyers are a better team than Kings 1. The Heat are also trending up. Both teams have shown they can compete. From what I've seen, the toughest teams are Ducks, ID1, GSE 1 and 2, Flyers, and Heat. Sorry 2 Cups, your Kings aren't passing (literally) the eye test.
No one can take that top 6 seriously. You have the 2 worst of the top 8 based on CAHA games.
Certainly Kings 1 belong in the top, they beat Flyers, Heat and GSE (2), 3 from your top 6.
Dont forget that not everyone has played a tough schedule yet in CAHA. Beating up on the bottom teams is meaningless. Losing to them is a problem. Playing close games with them is also a problem. Dont forget, Kings 1 has lost to the 08AAA Ducks TWICE. That's not top five in my book.
Golden Knight... You’ve rated the Flyers & Heat too high based off this pasted CAHA weekend... Flyers upset ID1. Heat beat the Flyers. Didn’t show up for OCHC. Got lucky they tied, should off lost? Flyers are good but not quite at the level of JD1, GSE1 or our Kings1...
Kings 1 also lost to the AAA 08 Ducks. In my mind, this disqualifies them from a top spot. Also, as previously stated, the Kings are one of the teams that have a Jekyl/Hyde complex. Having seen them play I remain unconvinced that they can play team hockey.
Flyers are a better team than Kings 1. The Heat are also trending up. Both teams have shown they can compete. From what I've seen, the toughest teams are Ducks, ID1, GSE 1 and 2, Flyers, and Heat. Sorry 2 Cups, your Kings aren't passing (literally) the eye test.
No one can take that top 6 seriously. You have the 2 worst of the top 8 based on CAHA games.
Certainly Kings 1 belong in the top, they beat Flyers, Heat and GSE (2), 3 from your top 6.
Dont forget that not everyone has played a tough schedule yet in CAHA. Beating up on the bottom teams is meaningless. Losing to them is a problem. Playing close games with them is also a problem. Dont forget, Kings 1 has lost to the 08AAA Ducks TWICE. That's not top five in my book.
Have you looked at the scores, Kings are 3-1 in CAHA games against GSE 2, Flyers, Heat and Bears with a 20-12 goal differential.
OCHockey07: I believe you have GSE1 and GSE2 records in the top 8 switched; shouldn't they be 2-2-1 and 2-3-1 respectively?
golden Knight
What was interesting about the flyers ducks game was not that the flyers little back up goalie did a decent job but what that game would have been like if the flyers real goalie had been in net. That was the surprising part. Not a shocker on ice dogs games.
There were some curious results this past weekend. Based on our two points of reference, here's our updated list:
1. Ducks 1
2. GSE 1
3. ID 1
4. Flyers
5. Kings 1
6. GSE 2
7. Heat
8. Bears
9. ID 2
10. Goldrush 1
Thoughts??
I’m just going to put this out there,
Carl Henry Picks
1. [size=78%]Ducks 1[/size]
[size=78%]2. GSE1[/size]
[size=78%]3. Bears[/size]
[size=78%]4. ID1[/size]
[size=78%]5. GSE2[/size]
[size=78%]6. Flyers[/size]
[size=78%]7. Kings 1[/size]
8. Heat
[/size]9. ID2
[/size]10. Goldrush
[/size]Thoughts?
[/size]Plus I predict that the Bears will beat the Heat and ID1 in the next nine days, also My disclaimer is that I’m a novice hockey parent. LOL
I’m just going to put this out there,
Carl Henry Picks
1. [size=78%]Ducks 1[/size]
[size=78%]2. GSE1[/size]
[size=78%]3. Bears[/size]
[size=78%]4. ID1[/size]
[size=78%]5. GSE2[/size]
[size=78%]6. Flyers[/size]
[size=78%]7. Kings 1[/size]
8. Heat
[/size]9. ID2
[/size]10. Goldrush
[/size]Thoughts?
[/size]Plus I predict that the Bears will beat the Heat and ID1 in the next nine days, also My disclaimer is that I’m a novice hockey parent. LOL
First of all, I’m a Bear parent. LOL. That being said, Bears beat the Kings in the head to head 5-3 and it wasn’t as close as the score shows, Bears we’re up 4-1 against GSE 2 and had some breakdowns and ended up 4-4, we’ve played ID1 twice and went 1-1, second game we were up and gave a 2 goal lead away if I recall correctly. We play the ID1 twice in the next nine days so that will be settled or be made clear for me.[size=78%] I wasn’t at the Heat game but I heard they ran us, we will be playing the Heat next Friday. Flyers we haven’t played yet, but since I have some good friends on that team I’m going to say we’re better. Golden Knight posted something before that really describes our team, Tons of talent that seems to pull in different directions, once we figure it out we should be contenders. That’s my reasoning.[/size]
Ice Dogs 1 beat Ducks??? Holy cow! Does that make the Ice Dogs the new team to beat? Any insights from the game?
"Golden Knight" The Kings & JD 1 are NOT the teams we thought they were? The Heat is rising to the top and in the final against JD 1.
Does anyone have scores from this weekend? I know the Kings rescued victory from the jaws of defeat as they were tied 4-4 in the third period with GR1, winning 7-4. I also know that the Ducks regained some form against the Gulls, prevailing 12-0. I also want to say that the Bears beat ID1 at the last second? From where I sit the dust seems to be settling a bit, making for an interesting CAHA weekend. Buckle up!
You kiddos see the selects rosters?!?!?!
Selects rosters? Do tell...
Be ready!!!! '07 are NEXT YEAR!!!! WHAT A RIDE! Be there or be SQUARE! 8)
You kiddos see the selects rosters?!?!?!
Selects rosters? Do tell...
Be ready!!!! '07 are NEXT YEAR!!!! WHAT A RIDE! Be there or be SQUARE! 8)
2 Cups, why the separate room? You could have discussed the Kings' mediocrity perfectly well here. From what I saw of the Kings, it all came together for Ice Dogs 1. To be honest though, I felt like the Dogs lost it more than the Kings won it. As I've said all season, I'm not convinced. I need to see some actual teamwork on a repeated basis.I think you have the teams listed below as your top 9. The records against each other in CAHA games are listed next to team name.
Dogs 2 looked like they could be a factor, putting in some nice periods of work. I don't think my rankings will change after what I saw. No one has convinced me of anything else but Ducks, ID1, GSE(s) as top four. Bears, Flyers, Kings2, ID2, aming others, are on the outside looking in.
So below are the updated Top 10 AA teams in CA (as of today, 12/18), along with their national rankings (among 1,355 teams in the Tier 2 bracket) and 2007 AAA overlay ranking (assuming only one team was inserted into AAA rankings at a time -- not the entire group all at once), according to MHR...
1. Jr. Ducks (#8) - same - would be ranked #53/92 if 2007 AAA team
2. Ice Dogs 1 (#20) - same - would be ranked #70/92 if 2007 AAA team
3. Jr. Flyers (#32) - dropped 2 spots nationally - would be ranked #72/92 if 2007 AAA team
4. Jr. Kings 1 (#35) - dropped 4 spots nationally, improved 2 spots in CA - would be ranked #72/92 if 2007 AAA team
5. GSE 1 (#36) - dropped 2 spots nationally, dropped 1 spot in CA - would be ranked #73/92 if 2007 AAA team
6. GSE 2 (#37) - dropped 1 spot in CA - would be ranked #73/92 if 2007 AAA team
7. Bears (#52) - improved 9 spots nationally - would be ranked #81/92 if 2007 AAA team
8. Ice Dogs 2 (#74) - dropped 1 spot nationally - would be ranked #82/92 if 2007 AAA team
9. Heat (#78) - dropped 2 spots nationally - would be ranked #82/92 if 2007 AAA team
10. Jr. Gulls (#127) - dropped 8 spots nationally - would be ranked #87/92 if 2007 AAA team
Comments?
He said they could’ve scored 30 in that one. Everyone knows, when it’s that one sided, it’s almost impossible not to score goals.
JD1 loaded up on goals? I hate the Ducks but my buddy’s kid is on that team and apparently the D was playing F almost half the first game. He said they could’ve scored 30 in that one. Everyone knows, when it’s that one sided, it’s almost impossible not to score goals. Maybe the question should be “why are they playing against pilons in PWAA?â€
GR2 did beat the Bears, and Bears lost to the Gulls today 5-6.
After what I saw this past weekend, here are the top TEAMS:
Ducks
Ice Dogs 1
Eagles 1
Bears
After what I saw this past weekend, here are the top TEAMS:
Ducks
Ice Dogs 1
Eagles 1
Bears
Are there any surprises left for the last weekend?
After what I saw this past weekend, here are the top TEAMS:
Ducks
Ice Dogs 1
Eagles 1
Bears
Are there any surprises left for the last weekend?
Don’t you think the Kings belong on this list? They are 12-1 and ranked second in CAHA.
1. Ducks
- only 1 team to keep them under 5 goals = GSE1 (2)
2. Kings1
3. IceDogs1
4. GSE1
- 2-4 are a tight group.
- Kings1 beat ID1 by 5 & GSE1 by 3
- ID1 & GSE1 tied 2-2.
5. Bears
6. Flyers
7. GSE2
- 5-7 tight group, but inconsistent bunch.
- on a good day, they can hang with 2-4; then again, on a bad day...
1. Ducks
- only 1 team to keep them under 5 goals = GSE1 (2)
2. Kings1
3. IceDogs1
4. GSE1
- 2-4 are a tight group.
- Kings1 beat ID1 by 5 & GSE1 by 3
- ID1 & GSE1 tied 2-2.
5. Bears
6. Flyers
7. GSE2
- 5-7 tight group, but inconsistent bunch.
- on a good day, they can hang with 2-4; then again, on a bad day...
Much more realistic rankings.
I guess who cares what team is a better “TEAMâ€, isn’t it W’s that matter?
1. Ducks
- only 1 team to keep them under 5 goals = GSE1 (2)
2. Kings1
3. IceDogs1
4. GSE1
- 2-4 are a tight group.
- Kings1 beat ID1 by 5 & GSE1 by 3
- ID1 & GSE1 tied 2-2.
5. Bears
6. Flyers
7. GSE2
- 5-7 tight group, but inconsistent bunch.
- on a good day, they can hang with 2-4; then again, on a bad day...
Much more realistic rankings.
I guess who cares what team is a better “TEAMâ€, isn’t it W’s that matter?
I guess it all depends on what your values are and what your kid views as having a "fun" time. If your kid is content sitting on the bench, not being developed into a hockey player who is capable of understanding (and showing) how to play actual hockey, then I guess you're right. The win matters more than learning how to play and having fun.
If your kid wants to actually be on the ice, learn the game, and play team hockey versus mite/squirt hockey (e.g. the kids who never move the puck and attempt to go coast-to-coast), then the win doesn't matter. Who cares if you win and kids aren't learning. Is your kid really getting better sitting on the bench? Is a championship meaningful if your kid is just on the team and doesn't actually play to earn it?
At the end of the day, these kids are kids. Having fun and playing matters; the wins don't. Last time I checked youth hockey is still about the development of these kids into adults of character. Playing team hockey and being a good teammate matters at every level.
The Ws don't matter if they come at the expense of kids not developing. In fact, the Ws don't matter at all. From what I've seen of the Kings team (which is a lot) I'm not interested in what they bring to the table. The yelling and screaming by the coaching staff, the demeaning of players, the insistence on rewarding selfish play, and other line items are clear indicators of fundamental problems.
1. Ducks
- only 1 team to keep them under 5 goals = GSE1 (2)
2. Kings1
3. IceDogs1
4. GSE1
- 2-4 are a tight group.
- Kings1 beat ID1 by 5 & GSE1 by 3
- ID1 & GSE1 tied 2-2.
5. Bears
6. Flyers
7. GSE2
- 5-7 tight group, but inconsistent bunch.
- on a good day, they can hang with 2-4; then again, on a bad day...
Much more realistic rankings.
I guess who cares what team is a better “TEAMâ€, isn’t it W’s that matter?
I guess it all depends on what your values are and what your kid views as having a "fun" time. If your kid is content sitting on the bench, not being developed into a hockey player who is capable of understanding (and showing) how to play actual hockey, then I guess you're right. The win matters more than learning how to play and having fun.
If your kid wants to actually be on the ice, learn the game, and play team hockey versus mite/squirt hockey (e.g. the kids who never move the puck and attempt to go coast-to-coast), then the win doesn't matter. Who cares if you win and kids aren't learning. Is your kid really getting better sitting on the bench? Is a championship meaningful if your kid is just on the team and doesn't actually play to earn it?
At the end of the day, these kids are kids. Having fun and playing matters; the wins don't. Last time I checked youth hockey is still about the development of these kids into adults of character. Playing team hockey and being a good teammate matters at every level.
The Ws don't matter if they come at the expense of kids not developing. In fact, the Ws don't matter at all. From what I've seen of the Kings team (which is a lot) I'm not interested in what they bring to the table. The yelling and screaming by the coaching staff, the demeaning of players, the insistence on rewarding selfish play, and other line items are clear indicators of fundamental problems.
As a parent from the outside, (not jr. kings or jr. ducks ) you are a joke golden knights..... yep, my first post, come at me buddy, my team is in the bottom of the league, but as a parent who went to clinics with that “demeaning screaming coach†from the outside, I’m still bummed I didn’t do that drive to be a part of that TEAM. As someone from far, shush princess, please.
I looked at your posts, if you go through them, you are obviously a kings hater, probably expected your kid to be AAA, right???
Wake up buddy. It’s hard to see parents like you...... you know what, I’ll end there.....
Ducks
Kings 1
Ice dogs 1
GSE 1
Bears
GSE 2
Flyers
Ice dogs 2
Done
Go to bed, Knighty knight
The funny thing is, the Kings aren't known for developing good players. They recruit them! Let's use your AAA argument for the two AAA clubs. Half of the Kings team is new this year or last year with a small amount of lids having co.e through the system. The Ducks on the other hand have had the majority of lids the last four years or so. I'll take development over Recruiting all day in youth sports.
The funny thing is, the Kings aren't known for developing good players. They recruit them! Let's use your AAA argument for the two AAA clubs. Half of the Kings team is new this year or last year with a small amount of lids having co.e through the system. The Ducks on the other hand have had the majority of lids the last four years or so. I'll take development over Recruiting all day in youth sports.
Every team recruits. Not many clubs develop players, some coaches do but club wide not really.
Case in point, this years Jr Ducks 12 U AA has very few kids that played with the club and coach just 2 years ago in Squirt A.
The funny thing is, the Kings aren't known for developing good players. They recruit them! Let's use your AAA argument for the two AAA clubs. Half of the Kings team is new this year or last year with a small amount of lids having co.e through the system. The Ducks on the other hand have had the majority of lids the last four years or so. I'll take development over Recruiting all day in youth sports.
Every team recruits. Not many clubs develop players, some coaches do but club wide not really.
Case in point, this years Jr Ducks 12 U AA has very few kids that played with the club and coach just 2 years ago in Squirt A.
I would fully agree with that. My point is that no kids will be moving on if they cant play team hockey.
After what I saw this past weekend, here are the top TEAMS:
Ducks
Ice Dogs 1
Eagles 1
Bears
Are there any surprises left for the last weekend?
Maybe we all should secede from SCAHA, meaning every club should bail on the league and make their own league without Kings/Ducks. That would be neat. Teach em a lesson.
NorCal (Send Bakersfield, and maybe Valencia to NorCal)
SCAHA (Kings/Ducks)
SDHA (The rest of us. Give Reign and Gulls back their AAA teams)
That should thin out the douchebaggery at the top.
Fine, keep Valencia, but we all have to travel to that place 3+ times a friggin year. They HOST weekends, and hardly ever have to leave. Only the pitiful A/B teams would have travel concerns... and we all know we don't care about them HA-HA-HA-ugh...
Also, CAHA used the comparatively low player registration numbers for players in CA to justify only having (typically) three tier teams at an age level which is total fn garbage (they don't want watered-down teams). I get it, Minnesota and others have a billion more youth hockey players registered, but they don't have to travel 80 - 700 miles to "local" rinks. Have they ever looked at a map?!?!?
As a result, 15+ AA teams are screwed and have to travel IN STATE thousands and thousands of miles. AA travels just as much AAA and that is BS. All the travel, but not the clout or recognition and opportunity LOCALLY to try out for AAA. (insert poo emoji)
Brew: costs aren’t a function of the level, but largely of the amount of travel that a particular team does. In our last AA season, we had at least 27 hotel nights. That cut almost in half this year in AAA. Yes, our travel tournament expense has gone up somewhat, but our CAHA related travel is virtually zero. At AA we had 2 overnight weekends in Valencia, 2 plane trip weekends in Vacaville, and a long weekend in Escondido.. At AAA, our CAHA related travel expense is virtually zero: we have 1 night in San Jose, with games scheduled to make it driveable. At AA, we had 4 travel tournaments -- not counting the quasi-obligatory pre-tryout trip to Minnesota. At AAA, we have 5 (lumping showcases, negotiated series of games, etc. in as tournaments), some of which are at the same cities as last season. I am not saying that either experience is representative of either level, just that our AAA season will end up less costly than last AA season and that it is not accurate to say that AAA expenses are always greater than those of AA.
Brew: costs aren’t a function of the level, but largely of the amount of travel that a particular team does. In our last AA season, we had at least 27 hotel nights. That cut almost in half this year in AAA. Yes, our travel tournament expense has gone up somewhat, but our CAHA related travel is virtually zero. At AA we had 2 overnight weekends in Valencia, 2 plane trip weekends in Vacaville, and a long weekend in Escondido.. At AAA, our CAHA related travel expense is virtually zero: we have 1 night in San Jose, with games scheduled to make it driveable. At AA, we had 4 travel tournaments -- not counting the quasi-obligatory pre-tryout trip to Minnesota. At AAA, we have 5 (lumping showcases, negotiated series of games, etc. in as tournaments), some of which are at the same cities as last season. I am not saying that either experience is representative of either level, just that our AAA season will end up less costly than last AA season and that it is not accurate to say that AAA expenses are always greater than those of AA.
Are you seriously comparing CAHA AAA where you have 2 or 3 teams in your Division, play every team 2x for a total of 6 or 8 games, to AA where you are playing 18 games (with another 8 or so SCAHA games)?
There are always a few AA teams that travel more like AAA teams, but that is certainly the exception. As for fees and dues, Landshark and others have covered that. Color me skeptical on AAA being cheaper, although to be fair, it's awfully expensive regardless whether it be tier 1 or 2.
"Sargent" Are you surprised? Only a total of 4 teams in the division... Now they will have to play some real teams.
Final weekend.
Playoff predictions?
Big upset tonight. Gold Rush 2 beats Kings 1.Final score was 5-1. I heard the Kings had twice as many shots as GR, and GR goalie stood on his head.
Actually, in CAHA games home team Managers only update stats. All non CAHA games Managers are responsible for inputting stats. So if two CAHA teams play a SCAHA game.... The team manager inputs stats for their own team in CAHA portal. For instance if team A and team B both from CAHA play a SCAHA game CAHA portal does not automatically recognize both teams as CAHA. Instead CAHA expects that all scrimmage or tournament games be inputted by each team and does not cross fact check even though the score sheet must be uploaded by both teams. So this allows each manager to input scores as they desire as long as its not a CAHA game. Also some scrimmage or tournament venue do not record shots on goal or time in goal. Also some AA team play in A tournaments during the year. These games are recorded in CAHA and point are awarded.... ( some of the top scorers under all games may have played in an A tournament in which they score 5 goals per game).
MHR....
Look at games played in MHR vs total game played in CAHA all games. Some teams choose to omit their losses out of state in hopes team from out of state do not report. This inflates rankings. This also makes it hard to judge who should win a game when playing out of state. One CA team claims they have never lost to any out of state teams who were not AAA teams. They can claim this because some out of state AA teams do not report...….
If one wants to rig the stats and rankings it is not difficult.
So first match-ups for Feb 28 playdowns:
1. Ducks - Flyers
2. ID1 - GSE2
3. GSE1 - Bears
4. Kings1 - GR2
Starting to gather predictions....
Golden Knight.... What happened with your picks today? “Apparently they did NOT show upâ€
1. Ducks
2. Kings1
3. IceDogs1
4. GSE1
- 2-4 are a tight group.
- Kings1 beat ID1 by 5 & GSE1 by 3
- ID1 & GSE1 tied 2-2.
5. Bears
6. Flyers
7. GSE2
- 5-7 tight group, but inconsistent bunch.
- on a good day, they can hang with 2-4; then again, on a bad day...
Golden Knight.... What happened with your picks today? “Apparently they did NOT show upâ€
“You LOSTâ€â€.
Blue Liner... Your delusional responses are just sour grapes!!! You Flyers parents have some very good players BUT... The team you should be really PISSED off at is Ducks 1 for fleecing your players & ex Flyer parents who allowed 17/18 Squirt A team to be deluded..
Golden Knight 2 years ago the Flyers SQA team had hand full of those Duck1 players... They jump ship to play PWAA... Apparently the Duck logo & the commute to Lakewood rink was more appealing?
I would have to guess that all of the Valencia/Santa Clarita/Canyon Country kids that should call the Flyers home left for a clear reason. I've heard it said that it is coaching, the program itself, and the inability to address the concerns of parents. When people are willing to drive well beyond their home rink and spend three hours on a commute daily, you can bet there is a larger problem at the core.
I am the dad of the kid who moved from the Flyers to Kings 1. No enticements. No recruiting. No promises. The day we were verbally assaulted in front of our son and then watched our 12 year son get berated by the Flyers PWAA head coach when our son simply asked his coach if he could meet him and talk, we left the team. Plain and simple. Any other story out there is untrue.
We teach our son to treat others with respect and we expect a head coach to demonstrate leadership qualities especially in front of his 12 year old player. Wasn't the first time this occurred but it was definitely going to be the last time. After we left, the Flyers PWAA head coach sent an email to our son apologizing for his actions. Nothing to gain other than an important lesson for our son: Nothing in life is worth more than your own self-respect for the way you allow yourself to be treated. .
Whatever positive impact our son could have offered the rest of this Flyer's season, parents can give those dirty looks to their coach.
I completely agree with transparency, I too was once part of a not for profit club and those same concerns were at the surface. Also, club boards and the like are excellent when there is a balance of power and the roles and responsibilities are well defined (and transparent).
We are on the same page - parent feedback (questions/concerns, etc) are absolutely imperative when running a club. There are some clubs that run as my-way-or-high-way, but the most successful business model requires feedback and input surveyed from its costumers. The parents are the costumers and should be heard accordingly.
Our son's commitment, the coach's development and devotion to the team is the reason this departure didn't occur in October. When all the parents including you are concerned the head coach doesn't show up for 3 of the first 10 CAHA games, the question should be able to be asked without condescending, threatening responses. Uncorrected unacceptable behavior finally trumped player development.
DSC...what exactly were you expecting when you signed up to be on a team where the Head Coach is shared with another tier team? Did you expect him to be at every game? I think that's unrealistic. You knew what you were signing up for. You knew you would have the assistant coach for some games. Don't blame him missing some games because he was "out of town". He was coaching his other team, not on vacation, like you are making it sound. Let's be honest here.
Not for nothing, but I know that coach pretty well and many on the team, and that was the understanding of the people I talked to....that the coach was gonna split time between his AA teams. That coach has always had a very stern personality, and you get that from day 1..
....former NHL players... asked about "the coach that was your favorite."
They always respond two-fold.... BUT the S.O.B. that was hard, demanding, candid, stern, mean, etc (you get the idea) was always the coach they respected the most and the coach they revered for pushing them the hardest to succeed. Every time I hear, "I hated him at first, but I love what he did for me as a player."
Ice hockey is full of children...
....former NHL players... asked about "the coach that was your favorite."
They always respond two-fold.... BUT the S.O.B. that was hard, demanding, candid, stern, mean, etc (you get the idea) was always the coach they respected the most and the coach they revered for pushing them the hardest to succeed. Every time I hear, "I hated him at first, but I love what he did for me as a player."
Ice hockey is full of children...
... who burn out on the grind half way through high school.
Me thinks perspective helps here: These are 11-13 year old boys. Things acceptable at 16-17 are not automatically acceptable for 6th and 7th graders. A coach that has lost that perspective is someone a parent need not force their family to endure.
That said, I have never given any of my son’s coaches my hockey opinion or pleaded for more ice time. It is the coach’s team and he is the one volunteering his time. Respecting that arrangement can be as easy as avoiding practices and keeping your coaching suggestions to yourself.
I find myself understanding the parents decision to change clubs more than the “have the 12-year old learn that dealing with a bad boss is part of life†crowd... (6th and 7th graders). If these were high school upper classmen, I would be lining up with the life lesson crowd.
My unqualified opinion unleashed upon the interwebz...
....former NHL players... asked about "the coach that was your favorite."
They always respond two-fold.... BUT the S.O.B. that was hard, demanding, candid, stern, mean, etc (you get the idea) was always the coach they respected the most and the coach they revered for pushing them the hardest to succeed. Every time I hear, "I hated him at first, but I love what he did for me as a player."
Ice hockey is full of children...
... who burn out on the grind half way through high school.
Me thinks perspective helps here: These are 11-13 year old boys. Things acceptable at 16-17 are not automatically acceptable for 6th and 7th graders. A coach that has lost that perspective is someone a parent need not force their family to endure.
That said, I have never given any of my son’s coaches my hockey opinion or pleaded for more ice time. It is the coach’s team and he is the one volunteering his time. Respecting that arrangement can be as easy as avoiding practices and keeping your coaching suggestions to yourself.
I find myself understanding the parents decision to change clubs more than the “have the 12-year old learn that dealing with a bad boss is part of life†crowd... (6th and 7th graders). If these were high school upper classmen, I would be lining up with the life lesson crowd.
My unqualified opinion unleashed upon the interwebz...
So... Finals postponed. 9 hours into our drive south and the news arrives. So, south of Burbank we switch from the rain and traffic jam on 5-south to the rain and traffic jam on 5-north...
Better half has started her driving shift and I am very bored with the road and rain, so...
How do folks think the 19-20 season will ultimately end?
A) Ducks given title (best regular season)
B) GSE-1 given title (best playdowns/playoffs)
C) No 2020 Tier 2 12U AA Champion
D) Ducks & Kings have a title game (reg season 1&2)
E) Ducks & GSE-1 have a title game (playdown’s 2-0 teams)
F) Full double-elim tourney in April
G) 4-way co-champions
H) Other
Ducks are clearly the best team as shown by their record.“Clearly the best team†in the postseason was GSE-1, 2 regulation wins in 2 games. Then... you have the Ducks, 2 OT wins in 2 games.
All SCAHA and CAHA seasons put on hold
How do folks think the 19-20 season will ultimately end?
How do folks think the 19-20 season will ultimately end?
C) No 2020 Tier 2 12U AA Champion
From the CAHA home page’s 3/13/20 6:28 PM Update: “Not contestedâ€
I like it, I hope they stay with that.
How do folks think the 19-20 season will ultimately end?
C) No 2020 Tier 2 12U AA Champion
From the CAHA home page’s 3/13/20 6:28 PM Update: “Not contestedâ€
I like it, I hope they stay with that.
Yet the number one team, in this case the Ducks, went wire to wire. It is not even close by all metrics. Since no one else has a claim (its not like GSE, Kings, or ID was tied in points, wins, or differential) CAHA should award the championship to the top team. Leaving the championship as "uncontested" just invalidates their entire season and every game played under the CAHA banner.
How do folks think the 19-20 season will ultimately end?
C) No 2020 Tier 2 12U AA Champion
From the CAHA home page’s 3/13/20 6:28 PM Update: “Not contestedâ€
I like it, I hope they stay with that.
Yet the number one team, in this case the Ducks, went wire to wire. It is not even close by all metrics. Since no one else has a claim (its not like GSE, Kings, or ID was tied in points, wins, or differential) CAHA should award the championship to the top team. Leaving the championship as "uncontested" just invalidates their entire season and every game played under the CAHA banner.
The best metrics show JD in 2nd place....
Playoffs matter, all 8 playoff teams played in playdowns.
3 pts for a regulation win
2 pts for OT win
1 pt for OT loss
0 pts for regulation loss
With the double elimination format, pure points earned fails, as a team that plays 3 games may have more potential points than a 2-0 team. Taking average points earned per game gives you a clean metric of who did the best in post season play.
- the higher the seed, the lower seeded the opponents you had to face; that is where regular season consideration ends in post-season.
1) GSE-1: earned 3pts/game
- 6 pts for 2 regulation wins, divided by 2 games
- Average opponent seed = 4th
- Played higher seeds than JD, yet was only team to max pts/game
2) JrDucks: earned 2.5 pts/g
- 5 pts for 1 OT win, 1 reg win, divided by 2 games
- Average opponent seed = 6th
- Needing OT to beat 8th seed, costly stumble out of the gate
3) IceDogs1: earned 2 pts/g
- 6 pts for 2 reg wins, w/1 reg loss, divided by 3 games
4) JrKings1: earned 1.67 pts/g
- 5 pts for 1 OT win, 1 reg win, w/1 reg loss, divided by 3 games
“Clearly†post-season metrics are the best metrics for artificially determining the championship; all post-season metrics clearly show GSE-1 was the best post-season team in 12U AA in 2020...
Even with the fact that my kid wore #33 in net for GSE-1, I think the best thing CAHA could do is leave the title vacant, second best thing being a 4-way co-championship.
Get over it.How do folks think the 19-20 season will ultimately end?
C) No 2020 Tier 2 12U AA Champion
From the CAHA home page’s 3/13/20 6:28 PM Update: “Not contestedâ€
I like it, I hope they stay with that.
Yet the number one team, in this case the Ducks, went wire to wire. It is not even close by all metrics. Since no one else has a claim (its not like GSE, Kings, or ID was tied in points, wins, or differential) CAHA should award the championship to the top team. Leaving the championship as "uncontested" just invalidates their entire season and every game played under the CAHA banner.
The best metrics show JD in 2nd place....
Playoffs matter, all 8 playoff teams played in playdowns.
3 pts for a regulation win
2 pts for OT win
1 pt for OT loss
0 pts for regulation loss
With the double elimination format, pure points earned fails, as a team that plays 3 games may have more potential points than a 2-0 team. Taking average points earned per game gives you a clean metric of who did the best in post season play.
- the higher the seed, the lower seeded the opponents you had to face; that is where regular season consideration ends in post-season.
1) GSE-1: earned 3pts/game
- 6 pts for 2 regulation wins, divided by 2 games
- Average opponent seed = 4th
- Played higher seeds than JD, yet was only team to max pts/game
2) JrDucks: earned 2.5 pts/g
- 5 pts for 1 OT win, 1 reg win, divided by 2 games
- Average opponent seed = 6th
- Needing OT to beat 8th seed, costly stumble out of the gate
3) IceDogs1: earned 2 pts/g
- 6 pts for 2 reg wins, w/1 reg loss, divided by 3 games
4) JrKings1: earned 1.67 pts/g
- 5 pts for 1 OT win, 1 reg win, w/1 reg loss, divided by 3 games
“Clearly†post-season metrics are the best metrics for artificially determining the championship; all post-season metrics clearly show GSE-1 was the best post-season team in 12U AA in 2020...
Even with the fact that my kid wore #33 in net for GSE-1, I think the best thing CAHA could do is leave the title vacant, second best thing being a 4-way co-championship.
You cant skew the results by using different metrics than what have been used all season. Wins-losses-draws-goal differential. By those standards, no one is close to the Ducks whom have no losses and one draw. By way of comparison, GSE has three losses.
I do agree with one thing though. These two teams should play. I know people on both sides and could probably facilitate this. In fact, one of my Ducks friends is willing to buy the ice. Thoughts?
GK, my thoughts,HOLY SHIT !!
The regular season and the padded/bogus regular season stats are immaterial for post-season discussion. On top of that, different coaches approach the regular season differently; knowing that trophies are not handed out for regular season games.
We had a postseason where all playoff teams played; the jrDucks, by all post season metrics, were 2nd fiddle.
As for the regular season, any argument based on those metrics disintegrates in a gentle breeze.
Exhibit A) Some coaches allow regular season scores to be run up, leading to padding stats on weaker teams. GSE-1 did not score more than 8 goals in a game because the coach directed players to stop scoring; more than one 3rd period was spent practicing scissor passes in the offensive zone. Kudos to him, teaching these 11-13 year olds that respecting the game and respecting the opponent does not involve running up 15-0 scores in a regular season game against an overwhelmed opponent.
- Now, if CAHA wants re-write their rules to say regular season goals for (GF) are more than just a tiebreaker for playoff seeding - let them do it and everyone will operate with the same objectives. Trying to point to goals for, in the absence of those ground rules, is actually an indictment of that team/club and not an argument for post-season results.
Exhibit B) Some teams, whether by ignorance, incompetence or deceit; rendered goalie metrics for their team bogus... In particular, the JrDucks yielded 28 goals as a team... but if you add up goals against for JD#31 (1 ga) and JD#32 (8 ga) you get 9 goals yielded. Considering the JrDucks record, I am not buying that there were 19 empty net goals against the JrDucks. The fact is that the JrDucks under-reported goals against their goalies by 65% (28 v 9)... (IceDogs1 underreported 75%; 34 v 9.)
- so 1, 2, 3, & 5 in the goalie metrics are bogus...
- Now GSE-1 gave up 22 goals as a team: #33=8 ga & #77=14 ga. Shocking how they managed to be 100% accurate in their reporting... so, the legitimate best goalie in CAHA 12U AA looks to be the kid CAHA has erroneously in 4th...
- Heck, the JrDuck kid listed in 1st w/ 1 goal yielded all season gave up 7 In the final game alone.
Exhibit C) GSE-1 ran 5on5 in the regular season with all kids on equal shifts; save a little bench time to reflect on knuckle-headed/pre-teen plays. So the 15th best skater had a chance to develop and play with the top players. While getting a ticket to the post-season is important for all, some coaches use the regular season games to, wait for it, develop the kids on the back half of the roster to make them better. Other teams run the same top 2-3 players for extended shifts while the back 5 might be lucky to see 10 minutes of ice. The latter is not what 12U hockey should be about; so again - that second approach is an indictment of the team/club, not an argument for post-season titles.
Clearly, regular season CAHA metrics are not valid as listed and any argument for post-season placement that attempts to use them is invalid from the word Go.
So, we find ourselves back to actual post-season accomplishments.
1) GSE-1
2) JrDucks
3) IceDogs1
4) JrKings1
But again, no champion or a 4 way co-champion was the way to go, in my mind.
All that said, I am happy to indulge the what ifs and regular season trends:
GSE-1 had only been together as a team for 7 weeks of practice, when they played the JrDucks to a 1-2 result in October’s first CAHA weekend. 17 kids that were coming from 6 different clubs and 7 different teams (7+4+2+1+1+1+1). A post-season rematch with the JrDucks, where the GSE-1 kids have the benefit of more than seven weeks with a new coach, learning a new system, and playing with new teammates - yeah; that weighs very, very, very heavily in the favor of GSE-1. (That GSE-1 held the Ducks close at 1-2, despite the above, kind of reflects negatively on the JrDucks desired mythos.)
GSE-1 ended the CAHA regular season on a 7 game win streak. In that span, they registered the only 2 shutouts to be posted against a team to make the post-season: 4-0 over the JrFlyers and 5-0 over GR2. (The last CAHA goal yielded by GSE-1’s #33 net minder was half way though the second period of an eventual 2-2 tie with IceDogs1, on Nov 8, 2019.)
GSE-1’s last non-win (of any kind) was to the JrKings1 team at the start of January, a 2-5 loss.
- worth noting, GSE-1’s 2nd goalie was in net (‘08 minor). Conscious decision by the coaching staff to let her face a top-tier team... regular season game, team was already a lock for post-season; great opportunity to get next year’s #1 some heavy work. Kudos to the coaches for thinking long term and giving her the game.
- GSE-1 (3rd seed) beat the JrKings1 (2nd seed) in the post-season 4-2 (in regulation) with their #1 goalie in net. With #33 in net, GSE-1 kept all 3 other Final Four playoff opponents to just 2 goals in their previous match ups. GSE-1 legitimately ended the regular season as Clearly the best defense in CAHA with only 22 CAHA goals yielded all season. #2 JrDucks: 28. #3 IceDogs1: 34.
So GSE-1 had stout defense from the beginning. The regular season allowed the skaters a chance to learn a new coach, a new system and new teammates.
Add to the above, JrDucks yield 7 goals in their last regular season game... Next, the JrDucks need over-time to beat 8th seed in the playoffs.
Clearly, JrDucks were trending down, while GSE-1 has been trending up. So yeah, *all* signs pointed to GSE-1 coming out on top in a head to match up.
We will never know... The season was cancelled, those two teams will not be the same next year, and #33 may well be playing in SoCal next year...
- Beebe has him rostered 07AAA Chi-town tourney next month
- Kabanets for 07AAA Sweden/Belarus tourney back half of April
- Khomchenko for 07AAA St Petersburg tourney in Aug
Looking forward to meeting more families from SoCal on those trips.
Santa Barbara rink is still open. No that all of the kids have time on their hands I think GSE and JRD need to get this done. Video only so we can have our social distancing. I'm sure there is a betting website that needs to find some sport to bet on....
$50 on GSE
Icedad would be proud of this rant !
Santa Barbara rink is still open. No that all of the kids have time on their hands I think GSE and JRD need to get this done. Video only so we can have our social distancing. I'm sure there is a betting website that needs to find some sport to bet on....
$50 on GSE
Are you f'in crazy?