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Hockey Discussions => Peewee Hockey => Topic started by: 6607 on June 08, 2016, 10:18:19 AM
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Tryouts in two days. Time to start the thread. What teams are returning their core from last year Pee Wee A? What are clubs saying to everyone about moving teams post tryout from AA to A and A to BB? What tourneys are you all headed to for Labor Day?
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Declarations currently show 23 teams in Pee Wee A.
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Declarations currently show 23 teams in Pee Wee A.
My guess is 6 or 7 good teams. Maybe 4
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Declarations currently show 23 teams in Pee Wee A.
Wow
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Declarations currently show 23 teams in Pee Wee A.
Wow
Only 8 PW BB teams. Looks like some teams should look to drop down with 23 A
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Declarations currently show 23 teams in Pee Wee A.
Wow
Only 8 PW BB teams. Looks like some teams should look to drop down with 23 A
Exactly why play A when you can fight for a playoff spot in BB
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So now that the weekend tryouts are over, out of 23 teams declared who will be the top 4 teams in PW A?
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So now that the weekend tryouts are over, out of 23 teams declared who will be the top 4 teams in PW A?
Looks like it's down to 21 now. Also there are clubs listed that I know will not have peewee A teams. Could be down to maybe 16 - 17 when its all said and done! Sorry I can't begin to pick top 4. Are there many 04 Teams this year?
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So now that the weekend tryouts are over, out of 23 teams declared who will be the top 4 teams in PW A?
Looks like it's down to 21 now. Also there are clubs listed that I know will not have peewee A teams. Could be down to maybe 16 - 17 when its all said and done! Sorry I can't begin to pick top 4. Are there many 04 Teams this year?
I can see a team or two from AA dropping too. Plus Lady Ducks will have teams.
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So now that the weekend tryouts are over, out of 23 teams declared who will be the top 4 teams in PW A?
Looks like it's down to 21 now. Also there are clubs listed that I know will not have peewee A teams. Could be down to maybe 16 - 17 when its all said and done! Sorry I can't begin to pick top 4. Are there many 04 Teams this year?
I can see a team or two from AA dropping too. Plus Lady Ducks will have teams.
True story... Good point!
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Which of the declared 21 teams did not make?
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Which of the declared 21 teams did not make?
Parents of the following programs informed me that they wouldn't have an A team: Bakersfield, Valencia and originally 2 other teams but it's looks like they will field A. Again, this came from parents... :-) Will the Wave and OC really have 3 teams each?
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Which of the declared 21 teams did not make?
Parents of the following programs informed me that they wouldn't have an A team: Bakersfield, Valencia and originally 2 other teams but it's looks like they will field A. Again, this came from parents... :-) Will the Wave and OC really have 3 teams each?
I am hearing Valencia will have a team and not a Bantam A team though.
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Which of the declared 21 teams did not make?
Parents of the following programs informed me that they wouldn't have an A team: Bakersfield, Valencia and originally 2 other teams but it's looks like they will field A. Again, this came from parents... :-) Will the Wave and OC really have 3 teams each?
Yes, Wave will have 2 ART and 1 ONT PWA teams
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OCHC indeed has three teams.
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I believe Valencia does have a PWA.
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I believe Valencia does have a PWA.
They LOI'd that team as PeeWee BB though.
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I believe Valencia does have a PWA.
They LOI'd that team as PeeWee BB though.
Hard to say how the middle of A shakes down they might mostly be BB and B.
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I believe Valencia does have a PWA.
They LOI'd that team as PeeWee BB though.
I think that is a savvy move by Valencia. The formation of the AA team brought some Riptide families and attracted some players to the program, but also grabbed up the returning '04 players who would have been the core of an A team.
The BB team is going to be made up of kids who have developed from their in-house program and 05's who played Squirt BB last season. They will probably be more competitive at BB than they would be at A, especially against programs which don't have an AA program.
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I believe Valencia does have a PWA.
They LOI'd that team as PeeWee BB though.
I think that is a savvy move by Valencia. The formation of the AA team brought some Riptide families and attracted some players to the program, but also grabbed up the returning '04 players who would have been the core of an A team.
The BB team is going to be made up of kids who have developed from their in-house program and 05's who played Squirt BB last season. They will probably be more competitive at BB than they would be at A, especially against programs which don't have an AA program.
I agree! Do you know what teams have committed to playing Labor Day in Valencia for the PeeWee A and AA divisions.
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Anybody have a good guess on who the top 4 teams will be for PeeWee A?
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Anybody have a good guess on who the top 4 teams will be for PeeWee A?
My early guess is Ducks, OC and Wave will be in the mix up top. Labor Day will tell us more for sure.
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Which OC team? There are 3 PWA teams.
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Which OC team? There are 3 PWA teams.
;D I was figuring one would be strong. lol
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Ducks (Kohn), Wave 1, Ducks (Runtso)
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Ducks (Kohn), Wave 1, Ducks (Runtso)
Are those the same Ducks team from SQA last season?
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Anybody have a good guess on who the top 4 teams will be for PeeWee A?
My early guess is Ducks, OC and Wave will be in the mix up top. Labor Day will tell us more for sure.
Where is everyone going to be playing?
I know Heat, Pasadena and Bears will be in Valencia.
Tinseltown has Blaze, Kings, Ducks, O Wave and a 2006 PW squad, not sure who 2006 Daughaday is?
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Ducks (Kohn), Wave 1, Ducks (Runtso)
Are those the same Ducks team from SQA last season?
The core of both Ducks PWA teams were the same as their Squirt A teams. It's my understanding that the Ducks- Kohn team lost their top scorer, but added some pretty skilled kids.
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I think OC PW A 2 will be a top contender. The team last year was PW B but went all the way to State Championship. They added a lot of good A players for this season.
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I think OC PW A 2 will be a top contender. The team last year was PW B but went all the way to State Championship. They added a lot of good A players for this season.
I agree, that team could be good. Their top scoring forward could have easily played AA this season and would have scored a lot at that.
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And their defense only allowed one goal in OT against the team that won CAHA. Lost 1 to 0 in OT. A lot of strong players.
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And their defense only allowed one goal in OT against the team that won CAHA. Lost 1 to 0 in OT. A lot of strong players.
Is that the team that had the two twin towers? Are the towers back or 03 kids?
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The two 05s are "The Deuce Brothers"
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Numbers 32and 62 so good
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Wasn't sure if "Deuce Brothers" was good or bad. We'll have to keep an eye on them. Sounds like OC PW A2 is one to watch from what you're all saying. They had a good run as PW B. I'll go along with the prediction of Ducks, OC and Wave in top of mix. The odds are good for OC with 3 teams in division.
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Is the wave eligible? I head they were short players based in the new regulations and trying to do anything they could to make their roster look eligible. Anyone heard anything?
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Which Wave Team? They have 3 teams too!
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In my opinion, the only Wave team that may do well is the 06 team out of Artesia. They will struggle against the bigger teams and 04 teams but, should have success against smaller 05 teams. Some of thier success will depend on how much their coach is around, he has a tendency to be absent a lot from what I understand. The other two Wave teams will likely struggle...
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Why do they keep calling them the wave 06 team? They have 04's and and 05's on their team. The question is whether or not they are eligible?
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Schedule is up for the Anaheim JD Early bird tourney.
Looks like some good match ups early on.
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Why do they keep calling them the wave 06 team? They have 04's and and 05's on their team.
Maybe because they are made up of a majority of 06 kids? :P
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Why do they keep calling them the wave 06 team? They have 04's and and 05's on their team. The question is whether or not they are eligible?
They have two teams in Artesia one is a mixed team and one is an 06 team. If they have 04's and 05's on that team that claims to be an 06 team they are small, small, small 04's and 05's.
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Lots of teams for the JD early bird including all three OC.
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I have heard that there are multiple teams in PW A that had very short rosters after tryouts (less than 10 skaters). Can anyone confirm this?
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Preseason Schedule is up!
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Any one know when the regular season starts? And will it be 15 or 16 games?
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Any one know when the regular season starts? And will it be 15 or 16 games?
I heard the regular season should start that next weekend after Pre-season and I think it should still be 16 games; at least 15. Seemed we gained a game at least this season.
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Any one know when the regular season starts? And will it be 15 or 16 games?
I heard the regular season should start that next weekend after Pre-season and I think it should still be 16 games; at least 15. Seemed we gained a game at least this season.
Well at least their cost went down and the parents are paying less... err ohh wait my bad the cost actually went up (again).. Just gotta love this stuff.. Apparently this is how we "Grow the sport" in So Cal.... One of the biggest sales pitches ever...
Last year AA had 4 Preseason games plus 4 CAHA weekends plus 12 SCAHA games. They are dropping like 10 games at least
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Any one know when the regular season starts? And will it be 15 or 16 games?
I heard the regular season should start that next weekend after Pre-season and I think it should still be 16 games; at least 15. Seemed we gained a game at least this season.
Well at least their cost went down and the parents are paying less... err ohh wait my bad the cost actually went up (again).. Just gotta love this stuff.. Apparently this is how we "Grow the sport" in So Cal.... One of the biggest sales pitches ever...
Last year AA had 4 Preseason games plus 4 CAHA weekends plus 12 SCAHA games. They are dropping like 10 games at least
Exactly raise rates and reduce games it's a money grab.
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Do we know of any teams that have been scrimmaging together and how they have been going?
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Do we know of any teams that have been scrimmaging together and how they have been going?
I heard Pasadena and the Wave (Art) had a scrimmage... I think the score was 8-0 or 9-0 Wave. Not sure which Wave team it was though.
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If they beat them by that much Pasadena should consider drooping down to BB.
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If they beat them by that much Pasadena should consider drooping down to BB.
I think Labor day should give all the teams a good idea. Between Valencia, Anaheim and TSC about 18 teams from PeeWee A (SCAHA) will be playing each other.
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All 3 OC Peewee A teams will be competitive along with Ontario and Wave team. Judging from Anaheim tournament, only the Ventura Mariners are weak and should play down as they lost 0-8 to OC Silver team. Too early to see a clear favorite but it will be a fun season for those who love youth hockey.
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If they beat them by that much Pasadena should consider drooping down to BB.
This early in the season it's a little silly to put too much stock in a scrimmage where teams are often missing players and there have been limited practices. Pasadena has a core of very good dare I say it, AA caliber players and are a legit Peewee A team who fell short of making the finals of the Valencia tourney by a goal. They have a strong coach who will have them playing some good hockey as the season progresses. Now that we have Labor Day results and one the pre-season plays out programs can make an educated decision.
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Agree... That 8-0 game might have been an aberration. I watched one of their games and not a bad little team. They have some size ..!
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Well... they actually went 1-3 in Valencia, scoring 8 goals and giving up 13 for last place. The only team they beat was a very weak Heat team by one goal. They have size, but they're going to have a tough time scoring against fast, skilled teams.
And the Wave team they lost to was Lewis' '06 team. They could turn it around, but not a good start versus middle of the road teams.
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Well... they actually went 1-3 in Valencia, scoring 8 goals and giving up 13 for last place. The only team they beat was a very weak Heat team by one goal. They have size, but they're going to have a tough time scoring against fast, skilled teams.
And the Wave team they lost to was Lewis' '06 team. They could turn it around, but not a good start versus middle of the road teams.
Well, again I think you have have the perspective of game play and not just a scoresheet. Yes they did lose 3 games. One of them vs. the Bears who are a strong team and were undefeated in the tournament. In that game the shots were about even and the Bears goalie was outstanding. That was a 2-0 loss but could have gone the other way with some puck luck. I watched a period and a half of the Santa Rosa game where they lost by a a goal and they were outplaying Santa Rosa for the majority of that game.
PML Peewee A is an amalgam of kids who played Peewee AA there last season, a few really good '06's and a nucleus of kids from their Peewee B team last year that was runner up in the state finals. When you watch a game you can tell when a team is getting blown off the ice, and that did not happen to PML, even if they have some holes and some things to work on. With even a couple of adjustments, from what I saw they will improve substantially.
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You mean the top 2 teams in a bracket where parents were complaining the bottom 3 of that bracket shouldn't even be in the division?
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Yes the top 2 teams in that bracket played a closer tighter competitive game against each other (2 to 1) than the 2 in the final game that was a blow out! (7 to 1)
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Well... they actually went 1-3 in Valencia, scoring 8 goals and giving up 13 for last place. The only team they beat was a very weak Heat team by one goal. They have size, but they're going to have a tough time scoring against fast, skilled teams.
And the Wave team they lost to was Lewis' '06 team. They could turn it around, but not a good start versus middle of the road teams.
Well, again I think you have have the perspective of game play and not just a scoresheet. Yes they did lose 3 games. One of them vs. the Bears who are a strong team and were undefeated in the tournament. In that game the shots were about even and the Bears goalie was outstanding. That was a 2-0 loss but could have gone the other way with some puck luck. I watched a period and a half of the Santa Rosa game where they lost by a a goal and they were outplaying Santa Rosa for the majority of that game.
PML Peewee A is an amalgam of kids who played Peewee AA there last season, a few really good '06's and a nucleus of kids from their Peewee B team last year that was runner up in the state finals. When you watch a game you can tell when a team is getting blown off the ice, and that did not happen to PML, even if they have some holes and some things to work on. With even a couple of adjustments, from what I saw they will improve substantially.
That Santa Rosa team was very opportunistic! I was watching the Bears out-shoot them 35-14 and the game was tied! I saw the same thing happen to PML... I was pretty surprised to see the Bakersfield Jr Condors beat PML 6-3; was a top player out that game from that nasty collision the game prior?
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Pasadena is big, which you can't coach... but they have trouble scoring, which you can coach. They'll likely be fine in PWA. There will be good, bad, and ho-hum teams in the division, as usual. But unless they figure out the scoring (8 goals in 5 games is an undeniable stat), they'll struggle to win 8 games.
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Pasadena is big, which you can't coach... but they have trouble scoring, which you can coach. They'll likely be fine in PWA. There will be good, bad, and ho-hum teams in the division, as usual. But unless they figure out the scoring (8 goals in 5 games is an undeniable stat), they'll struggle to win 8 games.
Now that IS a good point! Just saying....
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Skates, why not just be content with the fact that your team had a very strong showing but came up short, and congratulate both the Runtso Ducks on a very impressive run to the championship and OCHC3 on a strong showing in the other, deeper bracket to get to the finals? Having watched the Runtso Ducks, my impression was that they kept getting better as the tournament progressed and, as champions do, brought their best in the finals. As far as your team being the second best in the tournament, I am sure the teams in the other bracket would have something to say about that, particularly OCHC 1 who the rumor mill says beat your team in a recent scrimmage. and OCHC 3 who took second where it mattered - the tournament.
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6607, I don't have a kid on a PW team. Just getting my fill of teams for my son next season. And Rumor has it wrong. OC 3 MB lost to OC 2 JS in a scrimmage 6 to 2. OC 2 did lose to OC 1 by 1 point in a controlled scrimmage. So maybe the rumor mill should get it right but again it's the rumor mill.
I agree that all OC teams will be competitive.
Wave Artesia had a better showing than OC 3 and should of been in the final.
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As for the scrimmages which are first games of the year where everyone is developing the chemistry, kind of silly to automatically base your case on that. Your argument doesn't get much stronger using the first tourny of the year either. Getting all worked up over who should have played who. Control what you can control (your games), win by as much as you can win and then let chips fall. Bickley team won the right games and ended up in the final. Good for them. They will close the gap on that Runtso team by seasons end. Runtso team will get a fight from every one of those OC teams and doesn't go undefeated through the season.
One story of that tourney is all 3 OC teams showed they can win and I thought just the Smreud team was going to exit the tourney being able to show that. Runtso Ducks is team to beat and there doesn't appear to be a monster in PWA Like last years Riptide team.
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I guess I missed it so who are your top 4?
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6607, I don't have a kid on a PW team. Just getting my fill of teams for my son next season. And Rumor has it wrong. OC 3 MB lost to OC 2 JS in a scrimmage 6 to 2. OC 2 did lose to OC 1 by 1 point in a controlled scrimmage. So maybe the rumor mill should get it right but again it's the rumor mill.
I agree that all OC teams will be competitive.
Wave Artesia had a better showing than OC 3 and should of been in the final.
I was at the 6-2 scrimmage. While I agree with you that OC2 looked better, the scrimmage was definitely not "game conditions". Coaches were on the ice and stopped play in order to teach concepts, teams alternated power-play time to test out lineups, goalies switched in and out, etc.
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I actually saw that scrimmage too. Yes the coaches stopped the play a few times for positioning but no power play set ups. OC2 seemed to have more speed and better at setting up plays. From my understanding OC3 was supposed to be a PW BB team but wanted to play up so that may be a factor.
Regarding my top 4 picks, I don't want to put that out there until I have a look at the pre season games and could put all the stats together.
Again good luck to the teams. Squirt A won't be as exciting since there are only 8 teams in the division so we have all made the playoffs!
Interesting that a PWA scrimmage between OC2 and OC3 has generated so much interest. Another set of eyeballs, standing behind the OC2 goal has OC2 winning 5-3 with the Silver team scoring early, showing more speed and control of the neutral zone but maybe less effectiveness in finishing. OC2 seemed to ease up near the end (fatigue?) and their GK was probably better that night. Both teams that night looked stronger than OC1. The scrimmage flowed smoother and faster than a regular game. My initial assessment is that, based on that night, if the teams played 5 times, each would win 2 and the other game would be a tossup. Early wins mean little when teams are new and getting to know each other at this level or lower. The real issue is what team and what players develop the most over the next month or so.
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OCHC(3) 6 Wave (3) 2. Other scores?
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Bears over Wildcats #1 14-0
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Jr Kings PWA 1 - 2
OCHC - 4
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OCHC(1) 8
Wave(2) 0
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Was there any surprises this past weekend? I know the wildcat games were not a surprise. 😀
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Was there any surprises this past weekend? I know the wildcat games were not a surprise. 😀
Depends on who you talk to.
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Bears over Wildcats #1 14-0
Ouch. Plenty of room in BB though.
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Anyone know how wildcats 2, the heat, maple leafs or Runtso ducks did this past weekend?
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
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Sept 25 is deadline to voluntarily drop. There are a couple obvious candidates to do so. Don't see any of the teams as candidates to compete at AA level. Haven't seen Bears play yet, though.
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
There's not a team in A that should move up. There's 6 teams in AA that should move down to A. It sucks when half your scheduled games are not competitive. The kids get better when the games are a battle every week.
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
Following is the standard for each and every age group: Some AAA teams should be AA, some AA should be A, some A should be BB or B. The only instance you will see where a team should be at a higher level is usually do to a rule enforcement.
In PeeWee A this year:
There are 3-4 solid A teams (even though they would beat many existing AA teams) that are correctly placed. There are several teams that should drop to BB and others that should drop to B. The solid A teams hope that some AA teams drop as it will improve the division. However, history proves that the clubs will not do this on their own. We all wait to see if CAHA and SCAHA will do what they are threatening to do this year.
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
Following is the standard for each and every age group: Some AAA teams should be AA, some AA should be A, some A should be BB or B. The only instance you will see where a team should be at a higher level is usually do to a rule enforcement.
In PeeWee A this year:
There are 3-4 solid A teams (even though they would beat many existing AA teams) that are correctly placed. There are several teams that should drop to BB and others that should drop to B. The solid A teams hope that some AA teams drop as it will improve the division. However, history proves that the clubs will not do this on their own. We all wait to see if CAHA and SCAHA will do what they are threatening to do this year.
You are right on! If you find yourself questioning that teams are sandbagging in your division and should move up, it's probably because little Johnny's team should move down.
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
Following is the standard for each and every age group: Some AAA teams should be AA, some AA should be A, some A should be BB or B. The only instance you will see where a team should be at a higher level is usually do to a rule enforcement.
In PeeWee A this year:
There are 3-4 solid A teams (even though they would beat many existing AA teams) that are correctly placed. There are several teams that should drop to BB and others that should drop to B. The solid A teams hope that some AA teams drop as it will improve the division. However, history proves that the clubs will not do this on their own. We all wait to see if CAHA and SCAHA will do what they are threatening to do this year.
You are right on! If you find yourself questioning that teams are sandbagging in your division and should move up, it's probably because little Johnny's team should move down.
Very few, probably none , will move down. Not because they shouldnt, but because they will have to release their players and then re-sign them to a lower level. The one or two legit tier players they have will bolt to another team. Very unlikely.
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
There's not a team in A that should move up. There's 6 teams in AA that should move down to A. It sucks when half your scheduled games are not competitive. The kids get better when the games are a battle every week.
What also happens when there are soo many teams and the gap from top to bottom is so wide is... Teams will not have common opponents. PeeWee A seems very competitive this year and 1-8 will be close and if some teams feast on the bottom half and others aren't as fortunate; that could be a disaster resulting potentially in teams missing the playoffs.
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
There's not a team in A that should move up. There's 6 teams in AA that should move down to A. It sucks when half your scheduled games are not competitive. The kids get better when the games are a battle every week.
Unfortunately it doesn't come down to what's best for the kids.
It comes down to parents egos and $$$
What also happens when there are soo many teams and the gap from top to bottom is so wide is... Teams will not have common opponents. PeeWee A seems very competitive this year and 1-8 will be close and if some teams feast on the bottom half and others aren't as fortunate; that could be a disaster resulting potentially in teams missing the playoffs.
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It does make me wonder about how the scheduler goes about deciding who plays who when you have more teams than games. I agree, very competitive.
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Same thing happened last year with the schedule, with some teams getting a more favorable schedule and some teams likely making/missing playoffs because of it. Unfortunate for sure to see it likely happening again.
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
There's not a team in A that should move up. There's 6 teams in AA that should move down to A. It sucks when half your scheduled games are not competitive. The kids get better when the games are a battle every week.
What also happens when there are soo many teams and the gap from top to bottom is so wide is... Teams will not have common opponents. PeeWee A seems very competitive this year and 1-8 will be close and if some teams feast on the bottom half and others aren't as fortunate; that could be a disaster resulting potentially in teams missing the playoffs.
PeeWee A almost always has a clear cut top 4. The remaining 4 playoff spots are usually fought for by 8 teams. The remaining teams should have played in BB or B. The size of the division also does not matter, the teams that belong in the playoffs will win those key games and the others will complain about the schedule.
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
There's not a team in A that should move up. There's 6 teams in AA that should move down to A. It sucks when half your scheduled games are not competitive. The kids get better when the games are a battle every week.
What also happens when there are soo many teams and the gap from top to bottom is so wide is... Teams will not have common opponents. PeeWee A seems very competitive this year and 1-8 will be close and if some teams feast on the bottom half and others aren't as fortunate; that could be a disaster resulting potentially in teams missing the playoffs.
PeeWee A almost always has a clear cut top 4. The remaining 4 playoff spots are usually fought for by 8 teams. The remaining teams should have played in BB or B. The size of the division also does not matter, the teams that belong in the playoffs will win those key games and the others will complain about the schedule.
You can look to last year and you are correct, but go back a few and that's not true! And this year I feel that will not be the case where the top 4 run away with it. Look, it's not a complaint but a straight up observation.
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Last season the top 3 teams were Riptide, JK2, Wada Wave. They were on a completely different level from Labor Day and on. The last 5 playoff spots were up for grabs all year long as only the Saints, Wildcats, and Jk1, and the Blaze should have dropped down to the B-bracket.
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Anyone know score of Heat /Jr. Kings 2 game?
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Anyone know score of Heat /Jr. Kings 2 game?
I heard it was a tie 2-2.
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Adjusted Standings, including what I believe tournament records were over Labor Day:
1. Ducks 2 Runtso 6-0. Next up: OCHC3
2. Bears 5-0-1. Next up OCHC2
3. OCHC 2 Smerud 4-1. Next up: Bears
3. OCHC 3 Bix 4-2. Next up: Runtso Ducks
3. Ducks 1 Kohn 4-2. Next up: Bye
6. OCHC 1 Silver 3-1-1. Next up JK1
7. Saints 3-2. Next up Blaze
7. Wave 3 Howard 3-3. Next up WC2
7. Wave 1 Lewis 2-1-2. Next up JK2 and Wave2
10. Eagles 2-2-1. Next up Wave 2
11. PML 2-3. Next up: Condors
11. Condors 2-3. Next up: PML
13. Heat 1-2-2. Next up Mariners
14. JK1 1-3-1. Next up: OCHC1
15. Blaze 1-4. Next up: Saints
15. Wave 2 Raimondo 1-4. Next up: Wave 1 and Eagles
15. JK2 0-3-2. Next up: Wave 1
18. WC 2 0-1. Next up Ontario Wave
19. WC1 0-2. Next up Lady Ducks
20. Mariners 0-5 Next up: Heat
If there are any errors in record or next game, let me know.
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Adjusted Standings, including what I believe tournament records were over Labor Day:
1. Ducks 2 Runtso 6-0. Next up: OCHC3
2. Bears 5-0-1. Next up OCHC2
3. OCHC 2 Smerud 4-1. Next up: Bears
3. OCHC 3 Bix 4-2. Next up: Runtso Ducks
3. Ducks 1 Kohn 4-2. Next uo: Bye
6. OCHC 3 Silver 3-1-1. Next up JK1
7. Saints 3-2. Next up Blaze
7. Wave 3 Howard 3-3. Next up WC2
7. Wave 1 Lewis 2-1-2. Next up JK2 and Wave2
10. Eagles 2-2-1. Next up Wave 2
11. PML 2-3. Next up: Condors
11. Condors 2-3. Next up: PML
13. Heat 1-2-2. Next up Mariners
14. JK1 1-3-1. Next up: OCHC1
15. Blaze 1-4. Next up: Saints
15. Wave 2 Raimondo 1-4. Next up: Wave 1 and Eagles
15. JK2 0-3-2. Next up: Wave 1
18. WC 2 0-1. Next up Ontario Wave
19. WC1 0-2. Next up Lady Ducks
20. Mariners 0-5 Next up: Heat
If there are any errors in record or next game, let me know.
Looks like some good games this weekend! but hey... It's only preseason... :P :P :P :P
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Hearing around the rink that at least three AA teams are dropping down into A: Jr Gulls 2, SDIA and Wildcats. Anyone heard otherwise or heard about others? What about teams dropping down from A?
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Hearing around the rink that at least three AA teams are dropping down into A: Jr Gulls 2, SDIA and Wildcats. Anyone heard otherwise or heard about others? What about teams dropping down from A?
If the Wildcats are dropping from AA to A, i have to believe both PeeWee A squads will be dropping to BB or B. Any word on the streets?
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Declarations page on SCAHA website currently shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...
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Declarations page on SCAHA website currently shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...
Also still shows them listed as AA as well... LOL! i guess it's all in process?
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When is the deadline to drop, who is going from AA to A and from A to BB?
So much talk of teams dropping, are there any teams that are considering jumping to AA? It seems like a couple of the teams would be better suited to play at the higher level. Can SCAHA force teams to move up?
There's not a team in A that should move up. There's 6 teams in AA that should move down to A. It sucks when half your scheduled games are not competitive. The kids get better when the games are a battle every week.
What also happens when there are soo many teams and the gap from top to bottom is so wide is... Teams will not have common opponents. PeeWee A seems very competitive this year and 1-8 will be close and if some teams feast on the bottom half and others aren't as fortunate; that could be a disaster resulting potentially in teams missing the playoffs.
PeeWee A almost always has a clear cut top 4. The remaining 4 playoff spots are usually fought for by 8 teams. The remaining teams should have played in BB or B. The size of the division also does not matter, the teams that belong in the playoffs will win those key games and the others will complain about the schedule.
You can look to last year and you are correct, but go back a few and that's not true! And this year I feel that will not be the case where the top 4 run away with it. Look, it's not a complaint but a straight up observation.
Sometimes its only 3 or 2 teams that are clear cut standouts and sometimes its around 10 teams at the A level. This has been the case since the non checking / cross ice / playing up BS started. This analogy is not applicable before this current cluster f... Then again, this is just banter and does not matter.
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So did anyone see any good match ups this weekend? What teams are staying on top? Any teams that should drop to BB?
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Blaze 5 Saints 4 last second goal to win
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OC 3 Ducks-Runsto
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Declarations page on SCAHA website currently shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...
Also still shows them listed as AA as well... LOL! i guess it's all in process?
SCAHA site shows 24 teams in PWA for regular season.
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Declarations page on SCAHA website currently shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...
Also still shows them listed as AA as well... LOL! i guess it's all in process?
SCAHA site shows 24 teams in PWA for regular season.
Looks like it's official... Gulls#2, Wildcats and SDIA have moved down to PeeWee A.
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I do not think the Wildcats have dropped low enough. They may want to go down to BB
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Declarations page on SCAHA website currently shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...
Also still shows them listed as AA as well... LOL! i guess it's all in process?
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SCAHA site shows 24 teams in PWA for regular season.
Looks like it's official... Gulls#2, Wildcats and SDIA have moved down to PeeWee A.
GULLS. Going down is a good move. They are mostly 05s and small, but they have a goalie that will keep them in games. That kid is a top goalie. With good coaching that team will make some noise come playoff time. The parents also seem to get it. Good luck to them.
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Declarations page on SCAHA website currently shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...
Also still shows them listed as AA as well... LOL! i guess it's all in process?
SCAHA site shows 24 teams in PWA for regular season.
Looks like it's official... Gulls#2, Wildcats and SDIA have moved down to PeeWee A.
I'm guessing some teams might slide down to BB?
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Declarations page on SCAHA website currently shows three PW A teams for the Wildcats...
Also still shows them listed as AA as well... LOL! i guess it's all in process?
SCAHA site shows 24 teams in PWA for regular season.
Looks like it's official... Gulls#2, Wildcats and SDIA have moved down to PeeWee A.
I'm guessing some teams might slide down to BB?
About 7 should now.
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Okay so if SDIA dropped from PW AA and they were competetive at that level will they be sand bagging now at the A level like the riptide did last season? If so, this is why SCHA needs to monitor all of the levels of play.
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Okay so if SDIA dropped from PW AA and they were competetive at that level will they be sand bagging now at the A level like the riptide did last season? If so, this is why SCHA needs to monitor all of the levels of play.
Riptide sandbagged, huh?
Pretty sure they tried everything in their power as a team and association to move up to AA knowing full well they wouldn't dominate at AA, but SCAHA shot them down (twice!). May want to get your facts straight before you make uninformed statements and go accusing a team of sandbagging because they probably blew out your team at some point in the season.
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Okay so if SDIA dropped from PW AA and they were competetive at that level will they be sand bagging now at the A level like the riptide did last season? If so, this is why SCHA needs to monitor all of the levels of play.
IMO, this SDIA team is not nearly as good as the Riptide PWA team of last year... SDIA doesn't have kids like the 2 elite scorer the Riptide had and the goaltending is not at RT's level. SDIA will be a top 6 team in PWA but will they 'sandbag'? Well, that depends on your definition of sandbagging. They will destroy a lot of the low end teams but play the middle of the pack teams much closer, but winning it all? I'm sure the current top PWA teams will have something to say about that.
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True story regarding Riptide last season. They DID in fact try to move up to AA but were denied. Folks you have to accept SCAHA couldn't care less about who plays where in what level and yet every so often they do something really dumb (Like deny the RT a move-up). They really really don't care. Just pay your money and play where you want is their mantra. This discussion has been held for YEARS now. Total old news.
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True story regarding Riptide last season. They DID in fact try to move up to AA but were denied. Folks you have to accept SCAHA couldn't care less about who plays where in what level and yet every so often they do something really dumb (Like deny the RT a move-up). They really really don't care. Just pay your money and play where you want is their mantra. This discussion has been held for YEARS now. Total old news.
You are spot on, it is the mentality of, "the kids are playing hockey, that's good enough."
The Riptide didn't want to play down and neither did anyone else want them to play down. It was a subject for weeks on this board. It was a credit to the Riptide and everyone involved at PWA that the year went as well as it did.
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True story regarding Riptide last season. They DID in fact try to move up to AA but were denied. Folks you have to accept SCAHA couldn't care less about who plays where in what level and yet every so often they do something really dumb (Like deny the RT a move-up). They really really don't care. Just pay your money and play where you want is their mantra. This discussion has been held for YEARS now. Total old news.
Let me try and save alot of headaches that I went through in the past few years... 1. Many Non USA Hockey rules initiate from the Club Presidents, meaning if you don't like the rules.. complain to your club presidents. Blaming SCAHA is a complete waste of time. I went through it and decided to start shooting up the pole! Do the big clubs have more say? I have no idea, but could be, but if you are looking for a place to start.. contact your club Pres. Good luck!
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Okay so if SDIA dropped from PW AA and they were competetive at that level will they be sand bagging now at the A level like the riptide did last season? If so, this is why SCHA needs to monitor all of the levels of play.
SDIA was not competitive in AA, and if you are worried about them sand bagging, it's your team that needs to drop down a level!
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The Riptide could have played AA last season, along with Wave, JK2, and Mariners. Those 4 teams were better than the bottom 6 or 7 Peewee AA teams. If teams would just play in the proper division, Peewee A could have been just fine for the Riptide. And if it was such a big deal for their best player, he could have left to play AA or AAA at anytime. You have to release a player if they want to play up a level. The bitching and complaining about the Riptide is getting old. They were the best team, but not by that much, problem was all the B teams playing in A.
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Here's a question for you:
Why does Squirt A have 9 teams and Squirt BB 22, but Peewee A has 24 teams and Peewee BB only 8 teams.
If you are a good Peewee A team, it's going to be a long boring season. Probably 6-8 teams that should be Peewee A, along with 3 more from Peewee AA that didn't drop (you know who you are!). You'll be lucky if you get scheduled against the best teams, but chances are you'll only get about 3 or 4 competitive games all season. The rest of your schedule will be useless games. Your practices will be more fun to watch! You'll try and scrimmage the Peewee AA teams, only to be told you have to pay for the ice and the refs, if they even want to play you.
[/size]And all because SCAHA doesn't have the balls to move teams to the proper division. That, and the money grabbing clubs and coaches, who keep telling you how much potential you little johnny has...and the [/size]kool-aid they hand out every spring up until you sign your PTO.
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Here's a question for you:
Why does Squirt A have 9 teams and Squirt BB 22, but Peewee A has 24 teams and Peewee BB only 8 teams.
If you are a good Peewee A team, it's going to be a long boring season. Probably 6-8 teams that should be Peewee A, along with 3 more from Peewee AA that didn't drop (you know who you are!). You'll be lucky if you get scheduled against the best teams, but chances are you'll only get about 3 or 4 competitive games all season. The rest of your schedule will be useless games. Your practices will be more fun to watch! You'll try and scrimmage the Peewee AA teams, only to be told you have to pay for the ice and the refs, if they even want to play you.
[/size]And all because SCAHA doesn't have the balls to move teams to the proper division. That, and the money grabbing clubs and coaches, who keep telling you how much potential you little johnny has...and the [/size]kool-aid they hand out every spring up until you sign your PTO.
A 51.....you must have got some action last night.....your on fire !
What are your thoughts on the global economy ?
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Here's a question for you:
Why does Squirt A have 9 teams and Squirt BB 22, but Peewee A has 24 teams and Peewee BB only 8 teams.
If you are a good Peewee A team, it's going to be a long boring season. Probably 6-8 teams that should be Peewee A, along with 3 more from Peewee AA that didn't drop (you know who you are!). You'll be lucky if you get scheduled against the best teams, but chances are you'll only get about 3 or 4 competitive games all season. The rest of your schedule will be useless games. Your practices will be more fun to watch! You'll try and scrimmage the Peewee AA teams, only to be told you have to pay for the ice and the refs, if they even want to play you.
And all because SCAHA doesn't have the balls to move teams to the proper division. That, and the money grabbing clubs and coaches, who keep telling you how much potential you little johnny has...and the kool-aid they hand out every spring up until you sign your PTO.
A 51.....you must have got some action last night.....your on fire !
What are your thoughts on the global economy ?
don't get me started...
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There's really two problems that have lead to this.
1. They just added Peewee BB, and as a new division clubs aren't yet comfortable with what it means, and whether or not they should play in that division.
Obviously at each Tier there are impediments for the clubs and parents involved, making those fundamental decisions. At the "travel" tier (Anything A or under) there are always going to be teams that could move one way or another, but for clubs that are only able to field one team, or possibly one team and a second "new to the sport" team, there is inevitably a need to find the balance between serving the best players on the roster via more challenging competition, or the less skilled players, who will be overmatched. When people complain about teams, they are almost always complaining about teams where there are substantial extremes from the median sklll level of the team. Occasionally and historically there have been clubs that seem to regularly field teams that are entirely in the wrong division (not talking about the Riptide A team from last season!!!!) but that's a whole different issue, and not the norm.
2. Peewee is the end of the line for the "Play up" era, that started with the implementation of Mite ADM cross ice.
What has happened since that time, is that it has become the norm for individual kids as well as entire teams to play up a division. This starts with disgruntled Mite families who have kids that have essentially outgrown cross ice, and then continues year after year. For some reason, once on this habitrail wheel, people are convinced that their kids are not going to make the NHL unless they are playing at the next available age group, whether or not that is appropriate or even logical. Again this year we see numerous '06's playing Peewee A when they could have played Squirt A, and believing that this will make their kids better hockey players in the long run, even though there is absolutely no data to support this that doesn't involve anecdotal Wayne Gretzky or Sidney Crosby stories. These generational players who are complete outliers, seem to drive decision making, while the story of Auston Matthews who learned the game playing 3v3 on small rinks is ignored. Meanwhile, all those Canadian and "traditional US hockey market" NHL players all grew up playing against kids in their own age group.
Scaha, which at one time had clear rules forbidding this practice, has essentially rubber stamped it the last few years. It's bad enough that so many kids are unnecessarily playing up a division against kids 2-3 years older, but when you consider the thought process behind this idea, it becomes clear that the practice doesn't have the same cache when bragging to others about how your kid is so advanced they HAVE to play in a higher age group, if you don't have at least one A to tack onto their league. I know that many parents just follow the team and the coach along on this journey, but that doesn't make it any more reasonable.
So here we arrive at a Scaha Peewee A division with 24 teams as we speak, 16 games, and eight playoff spots to be won. Teams will play completely unfair schedules and find their season is essentially over by christmas. Other lesser teams will make it into the playoffs purely due to the luck of the draw. The top 4-6 teams may never play each other unless they meet up in tournament play.
Teams at the bottom of the A division who will be beaten by 98% of the division, and absolutely crushed by the top 70%, would be far better off in BB, but that would mean losing that all important 'A'. I'm sure in a few seasons things will level out, but apparently this season, the Peewee A division is going to be the crucible where all the issues of the last 5 years are made manifest.
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There's really two problems that have lead to this.
1. They just added Peewee BB, and as a new division clubs aren't yet comfortable with what it means, and whether or not they should play in that division.
Obviously at each Tier there are impediments for the clubs and parents involved, making those fundamental decisions. At the "travel" tier (Anything A or under) there are always going to be teams that could move one way or another, but for clubs that are only able to field one team, or possibly one team and a second "new to the sport" team, there is inevitably a need to find the balance between serving the best players on the roster via more challenging competition, or the less skilled players, who will be overmatched. When people complain about teams, they are almost always complaining about teams where there are substantial extremes from the median sklll level of the team. Occasionally and historically there have been clubs that seem to regularly field teams that are entirely in the wrong division (not talking about the Riptide A team from last season!!!!) but that's a whole different issue, and not the norm.
2. Peewee is the end of the line for the "Play up" era, that started with the implementation of Mite ADM cross ice.
What has happened since that time, is that it has become the norm for individual kids as well as entire teams to play up a division. This starts with disgruntled Mite families who have kids that have essentially outgrown cross ice, and then continues year after year. For some reason, once on this habitrail wheel, people are convinced that their kids are not going to make the NHL unless they are playing at the next available age group, whether or not that is appropriate or even logical. Again this year we see numerous '06's playing Peewee A when they could have played Squirt A, and believing that this will make their kids better hockey players in the long run, even though there is absolutely no data to support this that doesn't involve anecdotal Wayne Gretzky or Sidney Crosby stories. These generational players who are complete outliers, seem to drive decision making, while the story of Auston Matthews who learned the game playing 3v3 on small rinks is ignored. Meanwhile, all those Canadian and "traditional US hockey market" NHL players all grew up playing against kids in their own age group.
Scaha, which at one time had clear rules forbidding this practice, has essentially rubber stamped it the last few years. It's bad enough that so many kids are unnecessarily playing up a division against kids 2-3 years older, but when you consider the thought process behind this idea, it becomes clear that the practice doesn't have the same cache when bragging to others about how your kid is so advanced they HAVE to play in a higher age group, if you don't have at least one A to tack onto their league. I know that many parents just follow the team and the coach along on this journey, but that doesn't make it any more reasonable.
So here we arrive at a Scaha Peewee A division with 24 teams as we speak, 16 games, and eight playoff spots to be won. Teams will play completely unfair schedules and find their season is essentially over by christmas. Other lesser teams will make it into the playoffs purely due to the luck of the draw. The top 4-6 teams may never play each other unless they meet up in tournament play.
Teams at the bottom of the A division who will be beaten by 98% of the division, and absolutely crushed by the top 70%, would be far better off in BB, but that would mean losing that all important 'A'. I'm sure in a few seasons things will level out, but apparently this season, the Peewee A division is going to be the crucible where all the issues of the last 5 years are made manifest.
spot on!
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I don't think 06s playing Peewee A is the problem. Which teams are majority 06s besides Wave 1 and Kings 2? Wave 1 will be a playoff team. No idea how the Kings will do. I suspect not as well because they have a handful of 06s playing AA. But, they did tie a Heat team that I presume is filled with 04s & 05s.
It seems the real problem with the division are the teams with 04/05 players who shouldn't be playing at this level. And it seems there is the same problem in AA.
06's should be playing Squirt A, but Squirt A should only be the elite teams. Since that's not the case, kids play up a division.
I've seen some nasty collisions this season between 04's and 06's and we're only 8 games. And the 06 parents are screaming and yelling for a penalty. This is another problem with kids playing up. 04's will be moving to Bantam next season. Peewee AA and even Peewee A should be allowing a lot more body contact, but Ref's will almost always call a game to protect the little kids. These are Peewee games that should be played with 04's & 05's, and an occasional 06, but not at the level we see today. This is an important season for 04's to get ready for checking next season.
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I agree 06s should be playing Squirt A and that they should stop letting kids play up. But you failed to tell me how the 06s are the problem for the watering down of the lower half of the division this season in peewee A when it seems that only 2 of the 24 teams have a large group of 06s on their roster.
The point was already made. There are some predominantly 06 teams. There should be none. There are also '06's sprinkled throughout the many Peewee A and even AA teams. There is an '06 Ducks team in AA. Of course the argument is always made that these teams are on the AAA track, so they have to be excused for some reason, even though we are talking 10 year olds. I know of quite a number of '06's playing Peewee A at various clubs just off the top of my head.
The coaches take a few of the best '06's because they see their potential and relative skills, but as pointed out already, what happens is "large kid runs into small kid" and the incompetent refs call a penalty, and everyone loses.
If those kids were forced instead to either play at their age level, we would have more than 9 squirt A teams, and subsequently more BB and B teams and there would be necessary consolidation purely due to the simplicity and elegance of age group divisions that have existed for 60+ years. Meanwhile, in other hockey markets most travel hockey teams are birth year teams, and they solely play against other kids of the exact same age, and nobody is going to the organization and asking to have their squirt tryout for the Peewee team. They would be laughed at for even suggesting it.
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I agree 06s should be playing Squirt A and that they should stop letting kids play up. But you failed to tell me how the 06s are the problem for the watering down of the lower half of the division this season in peewee A when it seems that only 2 of the 24 teams have a large group of 06s on their roster.
SCAHA is the reason for the watering down of Peewee A. Move teams to the proper division and don't let kids play up without an exemption. Maybe have a max number of kids allowed each season, or team must be a birth year team and prove they can play up. The Ducks 06 Peewee AA team is a legit Peewee AA team, same with the Kings AA2 team, I believe they are a mixed 05-06 team. These kids know how to battle, even though the parents and coaches still want penalties called every time their undersized players are flattened, most of the time legally.
I don't blame them for playing up, and would probably have my son playing up if he was an 06, but that's because Squirt A isn't elite. Maybe it's time for Squirt AA as a SCAHA division only, 6-8 teams get moved up after pre season. You register as Squirt A and if you're good enough, we'll move you to AA.
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I agree 06s should be playing Squirt A and that they should stop letting kids play up. But you failed to tell me how the 06s are the problem for the watering down of the lower half of the division this season in peewee A when it seems that only 2 of the 24 teams have a large group of 06s on their roster.
The point was already made. There are some predominantly 06 teams. There should be none. There are also '06's sprinkled throughout the many Peewee A and even AA teams. There is an '06 Ducks team in AA. Of course the argument is always made that these teams are on the AAA track, so they have to be excused for some reason, even though we are talking 10 year olds. I know of quite a number of '06's playing Peewee A at various clubs just off the top of my head.
The coaches take a few of the best '06's because they see their potential and relative skills, but as pointed out already, what happens is "large kid runs into small kid" and the incompetent refs call a penalty, and everyone loses.
If those kids were forced instead to either play at their age level, we would have more than 9 squirt A teams, and subsequently more BB and B teams and there would be necessary consolidation purely due to the simplicity and elegance of age group divisions that have existed for 60+ years. Meanwhile, in other hockey markets most travel hockey teams are birth year teams, and they solely play against other kids of the exact same age, and nobody is going to the organization and asking to have their squirt tryout for the Peewee team. They would be laughed at for even suggesting it.
well said!
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I keep hearing the Wave #1 team is an 06 team, but I see a handful of 05 kids on that team. What the ratio.. 60/40?
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I agree 06s should be playing Squirt A and that they should stop letting kids play up. But you failed to tell me how the 06s are the problem for the watering down of the lower half of the division this season in peewee A when it seems that only 2 of the 24 teams have a large group of 06s on their roster.
SCAHA is the reason for the watering down of Peewee A. Move teams to the proper division and don't let kids play up without an exemption. Maybe have a max number of kids allowed each season, or team must be a birth year team and prove they can play up. The Ducks 06 Peewee AA team is a legit Peewee AA team, same with the Kings AA2 team, I believe they are a mixed 05-06 team. These kids know how to battle, even though the parents and coaches still want penalties called every time their undersized players are flattened, most of the time legally.
I don't blame them for playing up, and would probably have my son playing up if he was an 06, but that's because Squirt A isn't elite. Maybe it's time for Squirt AA as a SCAHA division only, 6-8 teams get moved up after pre season. You register as Squirt A and if you're good enough, we'll move you to AA.
Everyone makes really good points... it should also be noted that there will likely be only 7 Squirt A teams once two teams supposedly drop.
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I agree 06s should be playing Squirt A and that they should stop letting kids play up. But you failed to tell me how the 06s are the problem for the watering down of the lower half of the division this season in peewee A when it seems that only 2 of the 24 teams have a large group of 06s on their roster.
SCAHA is the reason for the watering down of Peewee A. Move teams to the proper division and don't let kids play up without an exemption. Maybe have a max number of kids allowed each season, or team must be a birth year team and prove they can play up. The Ducks 06 Peewee AA team is a legit Peewee AA team, same with the Kings AA2 team, I believe they are a mixed 05-06 team. These kids know how to battle, even though the parents and coaches still want penalties called every time their undersized players are flattened, most of the time legally.
I don't blame them for playing up, and would probably have my son playing up if he was an 06, but that's because Squirt A isn't elite. Maybe it's time for Squirt AA as a SCAHA division only, 6-8 teams get moved up after pre season. You register as Squirt A and if you're good enough, we'll move you to AA.
Well It's an interesting case. I'm sure you know that the 06 Ducks team had a very important '05 last season, and ended up with a small roster. Both things worked greatly to their advantage. On the east coast, they would simply be recognized as a AAA team, and they would play other AAA and AA teams in the region. In other words, they could have simply concentrated on national competition, and they would have done very well, only without having their '05 ,who was a AAA player at his own age group.
Every birth year AA team has used AA as a springboard to AAA, and the assumption is the team is staying together for a few years, perhaps with some minor adjustments year to year, so that when they get to Bantam they are on the path for high level national competition. The problem is that the way this is being done is to throw them in with older kids who gain nothing from having to play younger kids in league play. The same thing could be accomplished with scrimmages which many teams seek out aggressively anyways.
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I don't think Wave 1 will make a playoff spot unless they get the luck of the draw of playing the lower teams as every one calls it. I think they will be middle of the pack. Have not seen them play against any of the top peewe A teams. I think their size will affect them. Just my guess from looking at who they have played so far.
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I'M DONE......THIS SHIT US STUPID !!
MAKE YOUR POINT WITHOUT WRITING A NOVEL !!!
......the problem is that 05/04s are playing in the PW division.
Are you shitting me ?
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I'M DONE......THIS SHIT US STUPID !!
MAKE YOUR POINT WITHOUT WRITING A NOVEL !!!
......the problem is that 05/04s are playing in the PW division.
Are you shitting me ?
I have yet to see anyone state this opinion. What are you referring to?
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I'M DONE......THIS SHIT US STUPID !!
MAKE YOUR POINT WITHOUT WRITING A NOVEL !!!
......the problem is that 05/04s are playing in the PW division.
Are you shitting me ?
HAHA! Did I miss that post?
This thread is on FIRE today!
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I don't think Wave 1 will make a playoff spot unless they get the luck of the draw of playing the lower teams as every one calls it. I think they will be middle of the pack. Have not seen them play against any of the top peewe A teams. I think their size will affect them. Just my guess from looking at who they have played so far.
I believe they are all '06s... and thus far, they've been doing quite well. They're fast and skilled, which is tough to beat at this level, regardless of size. Teams dropping from AA will affect things, of course, but I'd be surprised if they didn't make the playoffs or come very close.
If you want to look at a problem '06 team, look at Kings 2, the all '06 PWA team. All the elite talent went to the AA team, which is '05/'06. What was left has no business in PWA, let alone PWBB or PWB. Several kids on the team played SQB last year... and not that well. If they stay at PWA, they will be lucky to win one game, let alone score more than 20 goals on the season.
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Exactly why you can't say yet whether or not the wave 1 team will make playoffs. They played the Kings 2 team and won only 6 to 0. What top pw A team has the wave 1 team played so far and won, where you can say they would make playoffs? They have only played the lower end teams so that puts them in the middle of the pack so far. Now don't get me wrong they could grow ad become faster with the more practice but I am just guessing now what it looks like.
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I'M DONE......THIS SHIT US STUPID !!
MAKE YOUR POINT WITHOUT WRITING A NOVEL !!!
......the problem is that 05/04s are playing in the PW division.
Are you shitting me ?
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL DAY !!
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Skates, its not really fair or accurate to belittle the Wave or their competition as lower tier. Wave tied OCHC 1 and beat OCHC 3 in a close game. These may not be top teams in your view, but they certainly cannot be characterized as lower end teams. Right now, I would say there is only team that is clearly ahead of the pack, and that is Runtso Ducks, based on their 7-0 record to date. Even then, I don't think there is a lot of separation with many of the other teams. Btw, you clearly have an opinion as to the top teams, so let's hear it.
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I don't think Wave 1 will make a playoff spot unless they get the luck of the draw of playing the lower teams as every one calls it. I think they will be middle of the pack. Have not seen them play against any of the top peewe A teams. I think their size will affect them. Just my guess from looking at who they have played so far.
I believe they are all '06s... and thus far, they've been doing quite well. They're fast and skilled, which is tough to beat at this level, regardless of size. Teams dropping from AA will affect things, of course, but I'd be surprised if they didn't make the playoffs or come very close.
If you want to look at a problem '06 team, look at Kings 2, the all '06 PWA team. All the elite talent went to the AA team, which is '05/'06. What was left has no business in PWA, let alone PWBB or PWB. Several kids on the team played SQB last year... and not that well. If they stay at PWA, they will be lucky to win one game, let alone score more than 20 goals on the season.
Jr Kings only have one SQA team and I think it is all 07.
It will be interesting to see if SCAHA sticks to the rule of not letting kids playing up into squirts next season.
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I don't think Wave 1 will make a playoff spot unless they get the luck of the draw of playing the lower teams as every one calls it. I think they will be middle of the pack. Have not seen them play against any of the top peewe A teams. I think their size will affect them. Just my guess from looking at who they have played so far.
I believe they are all '06s... and thus far, they've been doing quite well. They're fast and skilled, which is tough to beat at this level, regardless of size. Teams dropping from AA will affect things, of course, but I'd be surprised if they didn't make the playoffs or come very close.
If you want to look at a problem '06 team, look at Kings 2, the all '06 PWA team. All the elite talent went to the AA team, which is '05/'06. What was left has no business in PWA, let alone PWBB or PWB. Several kids on the team played SQB last year... and not that well. If they stay at PWA, they will be lucky to win one game, let alone score more than 20 goals on the season.
Jr Kings only have one SQA team and I think it is all 07.
It will be interesting to see if SCAHA sticks to the rule of not letting kids playing up into squirts next season.
Are the Kings the new Wildcats?
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Exactly why you can't say yet whether or not the wave 1 team will make playoffs. They played the Kings 2 team and won only 6 to 0. What top pw A team has the wave 1 team played so far and won, where you can say they would make playoffs? They have only played the lower end teams so that puts them in the middle of the pack so far. Now don't get me wrong they could grow ad become faster with the more practice but I am just guessing now what it looks like.
I could be wrong, but I just don't think there are that many great PWA teams. Wave 1 went 2-1-1 over Labor Day, beat PML 8-0 in friendly, and 2-1 in preseason, crushing their elder team 11-1. As for the Kings 2 game, it was a massacre. Only 6-0 in score, but out shot them like 32-6 and it became a passing practice for the Wave. Complete different leagues. They have a good coach, all good players, and with development, they could make their way into the top 8 by the end of the season.
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I don't think Wave 1 will make a playoff spot unless they get the luck of the draw of playing the lower teams as every one calls it. I think they will be middle of the pack. Have not seen them play against any of the top peewe A teams. I think their size will affect them. Just my guess from looking at who they have played so far.
I believe they are all '06s... and thus far, they've been doing quite well. They're fast and skilled, which is tough to beat at this level, regardless of size. Teams dropping from AA will affect things, of course, but I'd be surprised if they didn't make the playoffs or come very close.
If you want to look at a problem '06 team, look at Kings 2, the all '06 PWA team. All the elite talent went to the AA team, which is '05/'06. What was left has no business in PWA, let alone PWBB or PWB. Several kids on the team played SQB last year... and not that well. If they stay at PWA, they will be lucky to win one game, let alone score more than 20 goals on the season.
Jr Kings only have one SQA team and I think it is all 07.
It will be interesting to see if SCAHA sticks to the rule of not letting kids playing up into squirts next season.
The '06 PWA Kings should be a SQA team.
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I don't think Wave 1 will make a playoff spot unless they get the luck of the draw of playing the lower teams as every one calls it. I think they will be middle of the pack. Have not seen them play against any of the top peewe A teams. I think their size will affect them. Just my guess from looking at who they have played so far.
I believe they are all '06s... and thus far, they've been doing quite well. They're fast and skilled, which is tough to beat at this level, regardless of size. Teams dropping from AA will affect things, of course, but I'd be surprised if they didn't make the playoffs or come very close.
If you want to look at a problem '06 team, look at Kings 2, the all '06 PWA team. All the elite talent went to the AA team, which is '05/'06. What was left has no business in PWA, let alone PWBB or PWB. Several kids on the team played SQB last year... and not that well. If they stay at PWA, they will be lucky to win one game, let alone score more than 20 goals on the season.
Jr Kings only have one SQA team and I think it is all 07.
It will be interesting to see if SCAHA sticks to the rule of not letting kids playing up into squirts next season.
The '06 PWA Kings should be a SQA team.
ALL good 06 teams should be SQ A
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I don't think 06s playing Peewee A is the problem. Which teams are majority 06s besides Wave 1 and Kings 2? Wave 1 will be a playoff team. No idea how the Kings will do. I suspect not as well because they have a handful of 06s playing AA. But, they did tie a Heat team that I presume is filled with 04s & 05s.
It seems the real problem with the division are the teams with 04/05 players who shouldn't be playing at this level. And it seems there is the same problem in AA.
I'm trying to make sure I didn't misunderstand what was written here. So 06's (who are obviously playing up into the PW division as they are clearly SQUIRTS) are NOT the problem as much as 04s and 05s who are rightfully in the their age appropriate division might be the problem? My god what?
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There's really two problems that have lead to this.
1. They just added Peewee BB, and as a new division clubs aren't yet comfortable with what it means, and whether or not they should play in that division.
Obviously at each Tier there are impediments for the clubs and parents involved, making those fundamental decisions. At the "travel" tier (Anything A or under) there are always going to be teams that could move one way or another, but for clubs that are only able to field one team, or possibly one team and a second "new to the sport" team, there is inevitably a need to find the balance between serving the best players on the roster via more challenging competition, or the less skilled players, who will be overmatched. When people complain about teams, they are almost always complaining about teams where there are substantial extremes from the median sklll level of the team. Occasionally and historically there have been clubs that seem to regularly field teams that are entirely in the wrong division (not talking about the Riptide A team from last season!!!!) but that's a whole different issue, and not the norm.
2. Peewee is the end of the line for the "Play up" era, that started with the implementation of Mite ADM cross ice.
What has happened since that time, is that it has become the norm for individual kids as well as entire teams to play up a division. This starts with disgruntled Mite families who have kids that have essentially outgrown cross ice, and then continues year after year. For some reason, once on this habitrail wheel, people are convinced that their kids are not going to make the NHL unless they are playing at the next available age group, whether or not that is appropriate or even logical. Again this year we see numerous '06's playing Peewee A when they could have played Squirt A, and believing that this will make their kids better hockey players in the long run, even though there is absolutely no data to support this that doesn't involve anecdotal Wayne Gretzky or Sidney Crosby stories. These generational players who are complete outliers, seem to drive decision making, while the story of Auston Matthews who learned the game playing 3v3 on small rinks is ignored. Meanwhile, all those Canadian and "traditional US hockey market" NHL players all grew up playing against kids in their own age group.
Scaha, which at one time had clear rules forbidding this practice, has essentially rubber stamped it the last few years. It's bad enough that so many kids are unnecessarily playing up a division against kids 2-3 years older, but when you consider the thought process behind this idea, it becomes clear that the practice doesn't have the same cache when bragging to others about how your kid is so advanced they HAVE to play in a higher age group, if you don't have at least one A to tack onto their league. I know that many parents just follow the team and the coach along on this journey, but that doesn't make it any more reasonable.
So here we arrive at a Scaha Peewee A division with 24 teams as we speak, 16 games, and eight playoff spots to be won. Teams will play completely unfair schedules and find their season is essentially over by christmas. Other lesser teams will make it into the playoffs purely due to the luck of the draw. The top 4-6 teams may never play each other unless they meet up in tournament play.
Teams at the bottom of the A division who will be beaten by 98% of the division, and absolutely crushed by the top 70%, would be far better off in BB, but that would mean losing that all important 'A'. I'm sure in a few seasons things will level out, but apparently this season, the Peewee A division is going to be the crucible where all the issues of the last 5 years are made manifest.
Yep goona have to agree with this one..
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I don't think 06s playing Peewee A is the problem. Which teams are majority 06s besides Wave 1 and Kings 2? Wave 1 will be a playoff team. No idea how the Kings will do. I suspect not as well because they have a handful of 06s playing AA. But, they did tie a Heat team that I presume is filled with 04s & 05s.
It seems the real problem with the division are the teams with 04/05 players who shouldn't be playing at this level. And it seems there is the same problem in AA.
06's should be playing Squirt A, but Squirt A should only be the elite teams. Since that's not the case, kids play up a division.
I've seen some nasty collisions this season between 04's and 06's and we're only 8 games. And the 06 parents are screaming and yelling for a penalty. This is another problem with kids playing up. 04's will be moving to Bantam next season. Peewee AA and even Peewee A should be allowing a lot more body contact, but Ref's will almost always call a game to protect the little kids. These are Peewee games that should be played with 04's & 05's, and an occasional 06, but not at the level we see today. This is an important season for 04's to get ready for checking next season.
Regarding the little 06s getting knocked over by 04s YEP!
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Skates, its not really fair or accurate to belittle the Wave or their competition as lower tier. Wave tied OCHC 1 and beat OCHC 3 in a close game. These may not be top teams in your view, but they certainly cannot be characterized as lower end teams. Right now, I would say there is only team that is clearly ahead of the pack, and that is Runtso Ducks, based on their 7-0 record to date. Even then, I don't think there is a lot of separation with many of the other teams. Btw, you clearly have an opinion as to the top teams, so let's hear it.
I watched that Wave team.. I think they will be fine.,. and Yes Runtso is probably Tops in class for now
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The Kings are not the new Wildcats. The Wildcats are the new Wildcats. They have multiple teams getting slaughtered.
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Skates, its not really fair or accurate to belittle the Wave or their competition as lower tier. Wave tied OCHC 1 and beat OCHC 3 in a close game. These may not be top teams in your view, but they certainly cannot be characterized as lower end teams. Right now, I would say there is only team that is clearly ahead of the pack, and that is Runtso Ducks, based on their 7-0 record to date. Even then, I don't think there is a lot of separation with many of the other teams. Btw, you clearly have an opinion as to the top teams, so let's hear it.
I was not belittling the wave 1, I was just stating my opinion. At this point I don't think that OC 1 and 3 are top A teams either. OC 3 has lost twice to runsto ducks now by a wide margin (not even close)(but they could get better) and OC 1 is doing just okay.
We have a long season to go and I do hope the teams get better, it makes it a fun season. All I am saying is that some predictions may be too soon to make.
My top team 3 predictions so far is, 1. Runsto, 2. Bears, and 3. 0C 2
I see Wave 1 at this time around 10th place but that could change if I ever get to see a score from a game where they have played a team in the top 6.
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I don't think Wave 1 will make a playoff spot unless they get the luck of the draw of playing the lower teams as every one calls it. I think they will be middle of the pack. Have not seen them play against any of the top peewe A teams. I think their size will affect them. Just my guess from looking at who they have played so far.
I believe they are all '06s... and thus far, they've been doing quite well. They're fast and skilled, which is tough to beat at this level, regardless of size. Teams dropping from AA will affect things, of course, but I'd be surprised if they didn't make the playoffs or come very close.
If you want to look at a problem '06 team, look at Kings 2, the all '06 PWA team. All the elite talent went to the AA team, which is '05/'06. What was left has no business in PWA, let alone PWBB or PWB. Several kids on the team played SQB last year... and not that well. If they stay at PWA, they will be lucky to win one game, let alone score more than 20 goals on the season.
Jr Kings only have one SQA team and I think it is all 07.
It will be interesting to see if SCAHA sticks to the rule of not letting kids playing up into squirts next season.
The '06 PWA Kings should be a SQA team.
Yea, but if they don't field that team they can't field their AA team. Or their AAA '05 team that didn't make the AA playoffs last year.
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Off topic, but NA vs Sweden OT was amazing.
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NA is my favorite team to watch. Probably on the outside looking in, but I hope they make the semis.
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Agree, NA is good hockey to watch!! Wish USA could've done something... anything. Skates, interesting you have so much commentary on PW A when you say your kid is a squirt. And so much hatred and bad info for OC3. Did Bix not let your kid play up on his team? Usually only EK draws this much dislike this early in the year. I didn't catch the last match between Runtso Ducks and OC3, but JD parents all said the score didn't tell the tale and it was anyone's game until the 3rd period. Maybe OC3 needs to learn to play a full 3 periods? Sounds like they should be a JD team, since that's just like the big Ducks. Also I wouldn't count out the 06 Waves. They are fast and play well and will be competitive. IMO, they shouldn't be playing up because they draw penalties from hits with even the smallest 04s. The refs need to sack up and call the games correctly. If a team or players want to play up, they need to play by the same rules. If the calls were right, I couldn't care less if they little guys wanted to play up. They're fun to watch. Just don't call my kid for a penalty, because he's playing in his correct division and your littler kid didn't fare well in the mix.
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Agree, NA is good hockey to watch!! Wish USA could've done something... anything. Skates, interesting you have so much commentary on PW A when you say your kid is a squirt. And so much hatred and bad info for OC3. Did Bix not let your kid play up on his team? Usually only EK draws this much dislike this early in the year. I didn't catch the last match between Runtso Ducks and OC3, but JD parents all said the score didn't tell the tale and it was anyone's game until the 3rd period. Maybe OC3 needs to learn to play a full 3 periods? Sounds like they should be a JD team, since that's just like the big Ducks. Also I wouldn't count out the 06 Waves. They are fast and play well and will be competitive. IMO, they shouldn't be playing up because they draw penalties from hits with even the smallest 04s. The refs need to sack up and call the games correctly. If a team or players want to play up, they need to play by the same rules. If the calls were right, I couldn't care less if they little guys wanted to play up. They're fun to watch. Just don't call my kid for a penalty, because he's playing in his correct division and your littler kid didn't fare well in the mix.
As I understand, the JD-Runtso - OC3 game was over in the 2nd. They belived the JD team started slow because Coach Runtso was not at the game due to a conflict with his squirt team. Also, I understand that one of the OC3 goals simply popped out of the golie's glove. OC3 did what was expected, they came out hard trying to gain retribution for the tournamnet loss and simply could not keep that pace. This likely will be a common thread with JD-Runtso as they will get the best game from everyone they play.
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It was a a competive game almost the entire way through. OCHC was leading at the halfway point, and made a goalie change which seemed to affect the momentum of the game. Ducks evened it up immediately upon the change. At the end of the second, it was a 4-2 game. The last three goals came in the last 5 minutes of the game, including a stat padder. OC let in some soft goals and had a couple of defensive lapses (e.g., letting a Duck cherry pick at the blue line and paying for it). The game was pretty even in terms of penalties (1 for OC and 2 for the Ducks) and SOGs (22 for the Ducks and 18 for OC). A very different game than at the finals two weeks ago, and closer than the final score would indicate.
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Agree, NA is good hockey to watch!! Wish USA could've done something... anything. Skates, interesting you have so much commentary on PW A when you say your kid is a squirt. And so much hatred and bad info for OC3. Did Bix not let your kid play up on his team? Usually only EK draws this much dislike this early in the year. I didn't catch the last match between Runtso Ducks and OC3, but JD parents all said the score didn't tell the tale and it was anyone's game until the 3rd period. Maybe OC3 needs to learn to play a full 3 periods? Sounds like they should be a JD team, since that's just like the big Ducks. Also I wouldn't count out the 06 Waves. They are fast and play well and will be competitive. IMO, they shouldn't be playing up because they draw penalties from hits with even the smallest 04s. The refs need to sack up and call the games correctly. If a team or players want to play up, they need to play by the same rules. If the calls were right, I couldn't care less if they little guys wanted to play up. They're fun to watch. Just don't call my kid for a penalty, because he's playing in his correct division and your littler kid didn't fare well in the mix.
Why can't anyone just state their opinion without someone thinking someone dislikes someone on this site. My son doesn't even play for OC and I don't even know many of their coaches. Remember I am a numbers guy and are just basically going off the final scores and numbers. I didn't even see the game. And why does everyone try to blame games on goalies and defense. You know forwards can learn to back check. They do have to get through 5 players to even get to the goalie. Sounds like OC 3 just couldn't hang on with the ducks speed. Anything could change it is a long season. I hope Squirt A is competitive with the eight teams.
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Better teams tend to break down opponents over the course of a game. Scores are often closer early in the game, with the better team pulling away in the third.
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With 24 teams in PWA is there any chance SCAHA will amend the playoffs?. One idea would be for a 4 team play in, which would allow 10 teams to participate in the playoffs.
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To be clear, I wasn't trying to lay blame on the d or the goalie. Team loss. The turning point of the game was a momentum shift when the goalies were changed, without regard to the goalies play. It seemed to function like a great time out. Having watched the game, I personally wouldn't attribute the outcome to a difference in speed. Much more like Handboni suggests - a better team pulled away in the third, and here it was late in the third. That's whaat good teams do. Runtso Ducks are good team, well coached and good parents. They will have a very good season. I wish them luck and look forward to playing them again.
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We don't have a final number of teams in Pee Wee A yet. The clubs have until Sunday to turn their declarations in. After that, the question becomes whether SCAHA steps in and tries to move team down against their will.
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A Runtso parent echoed the same sentiment the other night at the rink. Seemed to think there might have been some new additions to the OC team. He said OC came out fast and outskated the ducks for the first period and half. Seems to think OC will be a good team as the season goes on. He also said the the biggest difference in both games played so far was the composure from OC this past weekend compared to Labor day. Sounds like they took a few penalties that cost them in the Final. Didn' take those this past weekend, which is why it was a closer game.
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A Runtso parent echoed the same sentiment the other night at the rink. Seemed to think there might have been some new additions to the OC team. He said OC came out fast and outskated the ducks for the first period and half. Seems to think OC will be a good team as the season goes on. He also said the the biggest difference in both games played so far was the composure from OC this past weekend compared to Labor day. Sounds like they took a few penalties that cost them in the Final. Didn' take those this past weekend, which is why it was a closer game.
I can tell you with assurance, no additions to OC3, just one subtraction due to injury. OC did the smart thing and attempted to equalize the teams. I guess they could have gone with two A and one BB and strengthened both A teams. Butting heads against similar teams in practice and scrimmages will only raise the level of play over the course of the season.
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I'M DONE......THIS SHIT US STUPID !!
MAKE YOUR POINT WITHOUT WRITING A NOVEL !!!
......the problem is that 05/04s are playing in the PW division.
Are you shitting me ?
My apologies. I did indeed miss the ridiculous 04/05 Post and somehow glossed over it.
Honestly one of the dumber comments made here recently and that's saying something. :o
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It doesn't matter...half of this years pee wees will not be playing hockey in 2 years ...they will be gone once they start getting crushed from behind by the 100's of kids that never learned how to check until they were 14!! Back to Soccer and Baseball they go. Save your energy pee wee parents...it is quite possible this could be your kids last year of ice hockey but there is always roller for those that shy from contact :)
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Yeah I went back and read what you said prior to my reply, and your qualification doesn't make it any more sophisticated than when you first stated it. I already stated previously that even one squirt team in Peewee A is one too many. I already stated that there are '06's sprinkled throughout numerous teams in Peewee A that inflates rosters and sometimes robs older kids of spots they might otherwise have. Maybe you aren't aware of this, but as of two seasons ago, by Scaha's rules, clubs were not supposed to be allowed to field a team where the number of kids playing up was even 50%.
This has lead to a glut of players at Peewee A. It is not the only reason, as I was clear to mention, but it is still a significant one.
I've seen statements made here in the past, as well as straight from the mouths of parents that : "All the good kids of the 'xx birth year are playing up."
Completely untrue, and disproven in tournaments, and team migrations, and scrimmages, but there are still way too many people that buy into the idea and the net result is not good for anyone. The raw numbers of kids playing up is only part of the problem. The other part is the psychology of it.
Let's say that your kid is a legit Peewee on a bubble team. Is it really that hard to understand that this makes other legit peewee teams resistant to the idea that they should consider the median level of the team, when they have to deal with so many people who have convinced themselves that their kid is too good to play against their own age group.
Just because a kid is playing up a division at 8, doesn't mean that they are on a track to eclipse another kid who is 9. A year later the 10 year old is leading their squirt team in scoring and the 9 year old struggles against older faster and more intellectually ready teammates, regresses and finishes the season with 4 points. This same parent then feels that their kid should play up to peewee because they played on the same team with the legit Peewees simply because they have been on the same team for 2 years. At Peewee I've seen the physical differences become even more pronounced. Kids are really starting to sprout up at 12 years old, and they're just physically way more mature than a 10 year old in just about all cases. The gap that might not be as noticeable at Squirt really starts to be noticeable in many cases at Peewee.
The league should be helping people police their own vanity and worst instincts, but they haven't in recent years, and whether or not you believe your kid is part of a "competitive squirt A team playing up to Peewee A", you are contributing to the very problem you just complained about, only you don't seem to realize it. How many games your team wins this year means absolutely nothing when the actual sport of Hockey really begins to be played at age 13.
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Good points Ica.
I suggest that all the parents that have convinced themselves that their squirt has to play up to keep them on this trajectory to the Bigs, take time and print out all your posts and keep them in a folder. Then when your son is a 2nd year Bantam or a Midget, take them out and read them to yourself and have a good laugh.
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Yeah I went back and read what you said prior to my reply, and your qualification doesn't make it any more sophisticated than when you first stated it. I already stated previously that even one squirt team in Peewee A is one too many. I already stated that there are '06's sprinkled throughout numerous teams in Peewee A that inflates rosters and sometimes robs older kids of spots they might otherwise have. Maybe you aren't aware of this, but as of two seasons ago, by Scaha's rules, clubs were not supposed to be allowed to field a team where the number of kids playing up was even 50%.
This has lead to a glut of players at Peewee A. It is not the only reason, as I was clear to mention, but it is still a significant one.
I've seen statements made here in the past, as well as straight from the mouths of parents that : "All the good kids of the 'xx birth year are playing up."
Completely untrue, and disproven in tournaments, and team migrations, and scrimmages, but there are still way too many people that buy into the idea and the net result is not good for anyone. The raw numbers of kids playing up is only part of the problem. The other part is the psychology of it.
Let's say that your kid is a legit Peewee on a bubble team. Is it really that hard to understand that this makes other legit peewee teams resistant to the idea that they should consider the median level of the team, when they have to deal with so many people who have convinced themselves that their kid is too good to play against their own age group.
Just because a kid is playing up a division at 8, doesn't mean that they are on a track to eclipse another kid who is 9. A year later the 10 year old is leading their squirt team in scoring and the 9 year old struggles against older faster and more intellectually ready teammates, regresses and finishes the season with 4 points. This same parent then feels that their kid should play up to peewee because they played on the same team with the legit Peewees simply because they have been on the same team for 2 years. At Peewee I've seen the physical differences become even more pronounced. Kids are really starting to sprout up at 12 years old, and they're just physically way more mature than a 10 year old in just about all cases. The gap that might not be as noticeable at Squirt really starts to be noticeable in many cases at Peewee.
The league should be helping people police their own vanity and worst instincts, but they haven't in recent years, and whether or not you believe your kid is part of a "competitive squirt A team playing up to Peewee A", you are contributing to the very problem you just complained about, only you don't seem to realize it. How many games your team wins this year means absolutely nothing when the actual sport of Hockey really begins to be played at age 13.
Yes, but many parents have no choice. Many parents really don't know any better and they listen to their coach/club. It is dictated by the club they are with that they need to play up to then track themselves for tier in subsequent years.
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So let me get this straight. The reason Pee Wee A is full of weak teams is that undeserving and tiny 06s are robbing legit Pee Wee A caliber 04s and 05s of their roster spots. What a load of crap. With around 35 teams at Pee Wee A and AA, it is hard to think that there is a player with legit A level skills who couldn't find a team. If a kid can't earn one of the 500 or so roster spots available at these levels, lets just fess up and admit that the issue is probably with the skater and not the better player chosen over him. There are too many bad 04s and 05s in Pee Wee A, and you say it is the parents of the kids playing up who are doing so out of vanity and their own worst instincts? Given the diluted level of play, any one concerned with the level of play should welcome any kid or team that raises the median level of play. Put the 06s back in Squirt A, and the level of play falls even more. Replace them with supposedly deserving but less skilled 04s and 05s and the level of play becomes an even bigger joke.
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I am very happy that my kid is a bantam and the "playing up" issue is behind us. I was never a fan of it, never saw the point. To each their own, and if the rules and clubs are willing to allow it I never objected to it. I also never understood it.
I always figured at Squirt there are 3 levels of play available A, BB, and B. That seemed sufficient for 9 and 10 year olds to find an appropriate level of hockey. I think it is a combination of issues. Parents, coaches, clubs, and leagues allowing teams to play at inappropriate levels. I have seen first hand that the star squirt players are not the same players once they get to bantam, the kids change so much between squirt and bantam and they all change, physically and mentally, and different paces.
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Okay 6607 I disagree. Most 04's and 05's felt like they had to go play AA just to get away from the young 06's playing up to A in order to have a more competitive season. And 06's playing up, must have crazy parents. I don't think the 06's playing up to PW A will be dominating at all. Eugene has all the dominate 06 players along with the Kings 06. That's why they are playing AA too. The rest of the 06's are probably in hopes of catching up to those teams. Same thing for the 05 ducks. You will always have a small group of talented kids in each age group but then everyone else thinks they should be on those teams too. For the 04's and 05's that didn't move up to AA, does not mean they are not skilled. Just means their parents didn't drink the koolaid. My son will be playing squirt A this season and wlll be a lead player for his team. And no we didn't try out for pw A or one of those superstar teams (let me make that clear before someone try's to jump all over that). I just didn't drink the koolaid. I have done my research. Best for my kid to play with his age group. He will show and build much more confidence on the ice.
Also did I mention that I have 2nd year bantam player too? So I have been through all this peewee stuff already but the playing up just keeps getting worse.
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Yeah but the 06's playing AA are the few talented kids in each age group that I mentioned so at least it will be competitive.
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I am very happy that my kid is a bantam and the "playing up" issue is behind us. I was never a fan of it, never saw the point. To each their own, and if the rules and clubs are willing to allow it I never objected to it. I also never understood it.
I always figured at Squirt there are 3 levels of play available A, BB, and B. That seemed sufficient for 9 and 10 year olds to find an appropriate level of hockey. I think it is a combination of issues. Parents, coaches, clubs, and leagues allowing teams to play at inappropriate levels. I have seen first hand that the star squirt players are not the same players once they get to bantam, the kids change so much between squirt and bantam and they all change, physically and mentally, and different paces.
Nailed it.
It so doesn't matter at squirt. The cards are going to get reshuffled every year for as long as they play. Half of squirts won't even be putting on skates when they become bantam age for a series of reasons. I have seen many stand out SQ and PWs fade to the back of the pack by Bantam and Midget. We have all seen the in-house player or roller player become a standout bantam too. There are a few that continue to excel and every parent thinks their boy is that player. Having an 02 gives one a lot of perspective. In the northern climates, kids develop playing all different ages outdoors. I don't think anyone would argue that the 15 year old playing with a group of neighborhood kids 12-14 is not developing. In fact non-organized hockey is GREAT for development.
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Yeah but the 06's playing AA are the few talented kids in each age group that I mentioned so at least it will be competitive.
This is where the argument falls apart. The 2 peewee A teams with majority 06s ARE competitive at this level. The Wave much more than the Kings.
If the 2 majority 06 peewee A teams were getting their asses kicked (like a bunch of 04/05 teams are) then they should drop down. But that's not what is happening.
The only "Majority" 06 team doing well is the Wave 1. Kings 06 .. Not so much and should consider dropping.
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How can you say the wave 1 team is even doing well? They have only played for pre season the other wave team that should not be in A and the Kings team that should not be in A. And they tied the Eagles I think. And that team is questionable. And they are not a true all 06 team. They had to add some 04's and 05's to help them out. I believe their goalie is even an 05. So call it what it is. Wave 1.
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Skates, I am happy that you made a well thought out decision to have your son play squirt A. I would never state that he was undeserving of playing that level or higher, nor that you were crazy for making the decision to do so. So when you state that parents of 06s playing Pee Wee A are crazy, and imply, that the kids are underserving, you just sound petty and, yes, jealous. And the notion that there are 06s who should play at PW AA, and at Squirt A, but not at PW A, is just illogical. Why not just be comfortable with your decision to play Squirt A?
I am sure there are parents chasing letters at A and AA; there are also parents chasing easy wins and easy goals at Squirt A. But there are also a lot of parents, hopefully most of us, that made well thought out decisions about our player's skill, size, desire, maturity etc., and tried him out for the team and level that we thought he would best fit. Some of us may even have consulted multiple coaches and tried various levels in the spring to see what was the best fit.
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How can you say the wave 1 team is even doing well? They have only played for pre season the other wave team that should not be in A and the Kings team that should not be in A. And they tied the Eagles I think. And that team is questionable. And they are not a true all 06 team. They had to add some 04's and 05's to help them out. I believe their goalie is even an 05. So call it what it is. Wave 1.
So this goes back to my question i've asked a few times... Why do people keep calling them an 06 team?
I also said "well", not "Great"... you can only play who they put in front of you. If they had lost any of those games, that would be a different discussion; but they won.
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My 2 cents as my son is out of pee wee now and is a Bantam. I don't see a point in having an 06 play up unless he is just leading the league in Squirt A. If it's a whole squirt A team moving up did they win it all last year?
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My 2 cents a my son is out of pee wee now and is a Bantam. I don't see a point in having an 06 play up unless he is just leading the league in Squirt A. If it's a hole squirt A team moving up did they win it all last year?
Great point and from my observations, to answer your question, I would have to say no! This isn't the case. Of course not including Ducks 06.
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"MOST" 04s and 05s jumped to AA to avoid playing against 06s?
Now, that's just beyond stupid. 04s and 05s are probably playing AA because that's where they see their talent level and their team's. They probably feel AA is the best division for their child's development, skill and overall ability. If their main reason was to avoid playing against 06s - it sure backfired. 2 of the 8 AA teams have 06s. They'll actually be playing against 06s more often than had they played A where only 2 of the 24 teams are majority 06s!
I think we've played this topic out. There are a lot of things that go into where your kid plays. Besides friends and families, parents often follow a coach. Sure some parents will drive anywhere but for many the options where to skate their kid really don't go beyond two at the most. So if a parent can follow a coach, he may choose to have a kid play up. Parents send their kids where they think their kid is going to grow, have fun and be a good fit. If they are chasing anything, it is often an extra letter which is often dictated by a club. Nobody is running from a '06 team, but I have seen more than a few parents of older kids not be happy when their son's team loses to a team two years younger.
I actually believe the number of kids playing up are lower than last year. I don't believe there are anywhere near the number of 06 kids at tier 2.
[size=78%]That Ducks 05 team did very well at AA last year playing up and I believe nearly made the finals. [/size][size=78%]And for all the posts of only 8 teams in squirt. I remember when mite was full ice and their were only 3 A teams and 20 B teams. Those 3 A teams would have killed the other teams. [/size]
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We keep hearing at our rink that there are teams dropping to BB. Wave 2 is often mentioned. Any parents want to confirm or deny?
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"MOST" 04s and 05s jumped to AA to avoid playing against 06s?
Now, that's just beyond stupid. 04s and 05s are probably playing AA because that's where they see their talent level and their team's. They probably feel AA is the best division for their child's development, skill and overall ability. If their main reason was to avoid playing against 06s - it sure backfired. 2 of the 8 AA teams have 06s. They'll actually be playing against 06s more often than had they played A where only 2 of the 24 teams are majority 06s!
My point was that because younger kids crazy parents want their kids to play up so it forces more kids to play AA because the whole system gets watered down by these crazy parents that think their 06 will be the next superstar. You kid is 10. Why have age groups if everyone plays wherever they want?
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This all started by letting Mites play up. That was the beginning of the problem. Last year 7 teams at least had no business playing pee wee A. Last years AA was much stronger then this years too.
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Not so sure the "problem" began with letting Mites play up. At the Pee Wee level, there used to be a disencentive/block to playing up. It was called checking. Not sure if kids were ever allowed to play up from a non checking division into a checking one. Need some institutional memory from the board on this one.
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I agree with 6607 on this one. One solution is to keeping body checking in PW. That would keep the squirts in squirts where they can play mites. The bigger issue is keeping the kids playing as they get older. They should have been learning how to give/take/play a body checking game before their bodies get big which means more speed and mass (bigger hits and collisions). Now, kids can wait till they are 13 before they start keeping their heads up and looking to pass. They can dangle all day, not make passes and delay the development of their vision and hockey IQ as a 12 year old. When they hit 13, they hold onto the puck too long and get run over and their developing bones get broken. Most of the injuries will be forearm/wrist because kids don't see the hit coming till too late and reflexively, they try to absorb the hit with that part of their body. All it takes is to miss 4-6 months because of a wrist injury (can't hold a stick with a cast on) and now your kid is a season behind in terms of development. How things will change. Parents having their squirts play up one year to parents hoping their kid makes the BantamAAA minor team instead of AA so he can keep playing with his own birth year (unless the kid is big and fast enough to hang with the Bantam majors). Players like Gretzky and Crosby played up (in bantam/midget) because they learned about the hitting game as peewees and they developed their hockey vision/IQ so they moved the puck very well and would not be getting hit so often. Kids playing up from mite to squirt to peewee means nothing. Let's see if they are doing that as bantam/midget where no one is talking about teams "playing up".
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I'd like to see checking for Peewee AA only. That would help keep under aged and sized players in Peewee A or below. I also think that Bantam B should be no check to help keep more kids in the game. There is no checking in beer league where most of these kids will end up one day.
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I'd like to see checking for Peewee AA only. That would help keep under aged and sized players in Peewee A or below. I also think that Bantam B should be no check to help keep more kids in the game. There is no checking in beer league where most of these kids will end up one day.
I like that especially the Bantam B kids that don't skate well and are big.
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I agree that checking should be part of peewee hockey. By the time they are bantams the size difference can vary greatly and that's a tough way to learn about checking.
There are plenty of 4 foot something, 80-90 lbs bantams "learning" about checking with 6 foot +150 lbs bantams.
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Excellent suggestion on Bantam B no checking. But why only PWAAs with checking. There are two complete teams of '06s and last season same thing with '05s. Plus there were '05s scattered around on other teams including GSE, Wildcats, and Saints. Some of these playing up are under-sized and some big for their age. CIF, the governing body for high school sports in S. California used to use a formula including age, weight and height to distribute lower class players in football. A 110 lbs 10 year old is probably better off with older players and a 70 or 65 lb 12 year old may be quick enough and clever enough to avoid collisions and if not better to learn as a PW A, AA, or AAA than as a BN. Protecting PWAs with no checking just to protect '96s creates inconsistent and sometimes had refereeing.
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I see no reason to limit checking to certain levels. Hockey is a contact sport. I believe that it would be more beneficial for peewee players to have full checking, before kids really start growing. Keeping your head up become very important. I've seen many a small first year bantam, used to puck handling and dangling all over the place, get blown up because they don't keep their head up.
Can get ugly.
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My Bantam player agrees with checking at the PW AA level.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMjl_A1ycos
On checking
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I'd like to see checking for Peewee AA only. That would help keep under aged and sized players in Peewee A or below. I also think that Bantam B should be no check to help keep more kids in the game. There is no checking in beer league where most of these kids will end up one day.
I do not agree with the AA vs A for checking. I believe they should leave the no contact cross / half ice BS in mites and let them check in squirts while they are not big enough to do any damage. Let them learn the proper technique and let them learn how to play hockey. BTW, The head down argument is only partially valid as a skilled player will recognize that the player has their head down and will attack the puck.
I do support the idea that B should be non checking starting in squirts. In fact, I believe in Canada Bantam C is non checking. If you only aspire to play in a beer league then why learn how to play the game of hockey? Any form of hockey that is non-checking should be called something else because it is not hockey.
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the best major peewee's should be the ones playing Peewee AA (not counting the elite AAA's), with the exception of the minor birth year teams, two teams max. These are the kids that need to be ready for checking. The average and beginning players should be working on basics still and not having to worry about getting crushed by the kid whose Dad rewards him for every check he throws. Canada Hockey and USA Hockey eliminated checking at peewee for a reason, they were losing too many players too young. I believe it's more important to keep kids playing the game, and not worrying about entertaining the few hockey parents that need to see their kids checking at such a young age. These are probably the same parents that don't like watching their kids play cross ice and have their kids play up. Hockey is a small ice game! watching 1 or 2 kids per team skating up and down the ice doesn't prepare them for peewee, but cross ice will help them learn to keep their heads up.
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I see no reason to limit checking to certain levels. Hockey is a contact sport. I believe that it would be more beneficial for peewee players to have full checking, before kids really start growing. Keeping your head up become very important. I've seen many a small first year bantam, used to puck handling and dangling all over the place, get blown up because they don't keep their head up.
Can get ugly.
Agree about keeping one's head up, and I think allowing checking earlier for the more highly skilled kids is a good idea, but I think the studies show clearly that the risk of serious injury is higher the earlier checking starts, and skill development and player retention is way lower if less skilled kids are just getting blown up below the age of 12. The trick is managing that transition from non-checking to checking at an awkward age when hormones are surging and turning most boys into teen idiots.
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the best major peewee's should be the ones playing Peewee AA (not counting the elite AAA's), with the exception of the minor birth year teams, two teams max. These are the kids that need to be ready for checking. The average and beginning players should be working on basics still and not having to worry about getting crushed by the kid whose Dad rewards him for every check he throws. Canada Hockey and USA Hockey eliminated checking at peewee for a reason, they were losing too many players too young. I believe it's more important to keep kids playing the game, and not worrying about entertaining the few hockey parents that need to see their kids checking at such a young age. These are probably the same parents that don't like watching their kids play cross ice and have their kids play up. Hockey is a small ice game! watching 1 or 2 kids per team skating up and down the ice doesn't prepare them for peewee, but cross ice will help them learn to keep their heads up.
The bigger kids are at a big disadvantage in non-checking leagues. It is simple physics a larger kid does not yet have the strength to have the explosive first 3 steps that is required in hockey. Once the bigger kids hit puberty they gain the strength to have those explosive first 3 steps but, in non-checking league they can not use their size and strength to offset the speed differential. If they would actually call the PeeWee games the way they should, there would only be a handful of kids playing up. The problem is they do not allow the same amount of body contact with a big and small kid as they do with two big kids or two small kids. There should not be any difference, if your little Gretzky can bang with a kid 50lbs-75lbs pounds bigger than them, more power to them. Unfortunately, the refs do not call the contact correctly and then the big kids get conditioned to not go full speed against the smaller kids. The smaller kids (06 in this case) never have to check up or slow down so they appear to have more success than they actually are having.
If they allowed checking at the PWAA level many of the kids in PWAA would not be playing PWAA and some of the bigger kids in PWA would be playing PWAA. The skill argument is not valid in non-checking leagues because checking is one of the major skills in a checking league. Once there is checking the game comes to the bigger kids and the smaller kids usually stop playing. All you have to do is talk to some 03 parents or parents that have gone form non-checking to checking. The two types of play are nothing alike...
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"If you only aspire to play in a beer league then why learn how to play the game of hockey? Any form of hockey that is non-checking should be called something else because it is not hockey."
Personally I don't care what it's called. Let's call it tiddlywinks on ice. Or parcheesi on skates. If it gets kids playing longer and developing athletic skill, instead of sitting around posting dick pics on snapchat, I'm all for it!
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I don't really mind skilled 06 kids playing up vs 04/05 kids in PWAA. As the 06 kids we've played are fast and skilled and seem to be doing just fine. My issue is that some of these 06's are actually ultra aggressive and leaning, pushing and basically pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with. But when a physically bigger/taller 04/05 kid returns the favor, refs almost always give the smaller kids the breaks and the big kid ends up in the box. Refs really need to do a better job and call the game correctly.
I'm pretty sure the kids and coaches of the smaller teams are well aware of this and use it to their advantage.
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"If you only aspire to play in a beer league then why learn how to play the game of hockey? Any form of hockey that is non-checking should be called something else because it is not hockey."
Personally I don't care what it's called. Let's call it tiddlywinks on ice. Or parcheesi on skates. If it gets kids playing longer and developing athletic skill, instead of sitting around posting dick pics on snapchat, I'm all for it!
Are they serously doing that at 10, 11 and 12 years old? I guess some of the 12 year olds that have started puberty have but, I can not imagine 10 and 11 year olds doing that. That is just bad parenting....
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"If you only aspire to play in a beer league then why learn how to play the game of hockey? Any form of hockey that is non-checking should be called something else because it is not hockey."
Personally I don't care what it's called. Let's call it tiddlywinks on ice. Or parcheesi on skates. If it gets kids playing longer and developing athletic skill, instead of sitting around posting dick pics on snapchat, I'm all for it!
Are they serously doing that at 10, 11 and 12 years old? I guess some of the 12 year olds that have started puberty have but, I can not imagine 10 and 11 year olds doing that. That is just bad parenting....
The 04s are all angels but I hear those 06s are a pretty precocious bunch!😎
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This all started by letting Mites play up. That was the beginning of the problem. Last year 7 teams at least had no business playing pee wee A. Last years AA was much stronger then this years too.
When your kid has played two years of full ice at mite and it is mandated that it is going to be cross ice, then you don't really have a choice. It's time to move up a division.
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From the SCAHA minutes for Nov. 2015:
Ben Cohen stated that he has concerns about teams in divisions that do not belong there and would like to see a more competitive balance amongst the teams in each of the divisions. SCAHA needs to take a more active role in placing teams. Discussion followed on how to move teams after the pre-season schedule, etc. Scott Allegrini suggested that we could possibly schedule using geographical zones. Kevin Culbertson stated that we should form a committee and bring ideas to the table at the January meeting. All were in agreement. The competition committee will be made up of the following members: Steve Yovetich, Todd Thomasy, Scott Allegrini, Ben Frank and Dave Bigelow.
And from the Feb. 2016 minutes:
Chris deferred to Ben Frank, Chair of the SCAHA Competitive Advancement Committee. Ben Frank briefly touched upon the proposal and that the committee has yet to finalize its revised recommendations. They will be presenting their revised proposal at the next board meeting
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No minutes have been posted since these. Anyone know what was proposed or decided? Interesting that Ben Frank was the chair of that committee.
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From the SCAHA minutes for Nov. 2015:
Ben Cohen stated that he has concerns about teams in divisions that do not belong there and would like to see a more competitive balance amongst the teams in each of the divisions. SCAHA needs to take a more active role in placing teams. Discussion followed on how to move teams after the pre-season schedule, etc. Scott Allegrini suggested that we could possibly schedule using geographical zones. Kevin Culbertson stated that we should form a committee and bring ideas to the table at the January meeting. All were in agreement. The competition committee will be made up of the following members: Steve Yovetich, Todd Thomasy, Scott Allegrini, Ben Frank and Dave Bigelow.
And from the Feb. 2016 minutes:
Chris deferred to Ben Frank, Chair of the SCAHA Competitive Advancement Committee. Ben Frank briefly touched upon the proposal and that the committee has yet to finalize its revised recommendations. They will be presenting their revised proposal at the next board meeting
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No minutes have been posted since these. Anyone know what was proposed or decided? Interesting that Ben Frank was the chair of that committee.
H. O. L. Y. S. H. I. T. !!!!!!!!!!
BF is chair of the committee on how to "properly" place teams. ??????
THAT has got to be the funniest shit to EVER appear on this board !!!
I would like to set up a committee to explore the possibility of getting the $$ BF owes me.
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I guess there's no chance of moving teams down this season!
How in the hell can BF be the chair of the Competitive Advancement Committee! Unfreakinbelievable!
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Ha! Ben Frank is the owner and president of the Wildcats!!!!! They always place their teams in the proper competitive division.
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I guess there's no chance of moving teams down this season!
How in the hell can BF be the chair of the Competitive Advancement Committee! Unfreakinbelievable!
This is the biggest joke ever Holly Shit!
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I guess there's no chance of moving teams down this season!
How in the hell can BF be the chair of the Competitive Advancement Committee! Unfreakinbelievable!
This is the biggest joke ever Holly Shit!
Clearly SCAHA is incapable of self-governance or, at a minimum, self-governance in the interest of players and their families. The more we learn about ice hockey and how it is governed, the more I regret we headed down this path. Maybe we would find better ice hockey governance in Fiji or New Zealand. Yes, I know they don't have hockey there but at least it would be better governed. Ben Frank! Who are these people???
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Managers are being asked to email scores to scaha tomorrow rather than simply input scores and upload scores heels by Monday night. Just coincidence that declarations are due tomorrow?
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From the SCAHA minutes for Nov. 2015:
Ben Cohen stated that he has concerns about teams in divisions that do not belong there and would like to see a more competitive balance amongst the teams in each of the divisions. SCAHA needs to take a more active role in placing teams. Discussion followed on how to move teams after the pre-season schedule, etc. Scott Allegrini suggested that we could possibly schedule using geographical zones. Kevin Culbertson stated that we should form a committee and bring ideas to the table at the January meeting. All were in agreement. The competition committee will be made up of the following members: Steve Yovetich, Todd Thomasy, Scott Allegrini, Ben Frank and Dave Bigelow.
And from the Feb. 2016 minutes:
Chris deferred to Ben Frank, Chair of the SCAHA Competitive Advancement Committee. Ben Frank briefly touched upon the proposal and that the committee has yet to finalize its revised recommendations. They will be presenting their revised proposal at the next board meeting
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No minutes have been posted since these. Anyone know what was proposed or decided? Interesting that Ben Frank was the chair of that committee.
H. O. L. Y. S. H. I. T. !!!!!!!!!!
BF is chair of the committee on how to "properly" place teams. ??? ???
THAT has got to be the funniest shit to EVER appear on this board !!!
I would like to set up a committee to explore the possibility of getting the $$ BF owes me.
This is like having a pedophile baby sit your kids. :o
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Adjusted Standings After Pre Season Week Two. Includes Tournament and SCAHA games. Excludes scrimmages.
1. Ducks Runtso (7-0.) Beat OCHC3 7-2. Next up: PML (3-3)
2. Bears (5-0-2.) Tied OCHC2 5-5. Next up: WC2 (0-2).
3. Wave 1/Lewis (4-1-2). Beat JK2 6-0 and Wave 2 11-1. Next up: M’s (0-6)
4. OCHC 1/Silver (4-1-1). Beat JK1 3-2. Next: up Sts. (3-3)
4. OCHC 2/ Smerud (4-1-1). Tied Bears 5-5. Next up: Condors (4-3)
6. Ducks Kohn (4-2). Bye. Next up: Blaze (2-4)
6. OCHC 3/ Bix (4-3). Lost to Runtso Ducks 7-2. Next up: Eagles. (3-2-1).
6. Ont. Wave 3 (4-3). Beat WC2 14-3. Next up: Heat (2-2-2)
9. Ontario Eagles (3-2-1). BeatWave 2 11-2. Next up: OCHC3 (4-3)
10. Maple Leafs (3-3) Beat Condors 4-3. Next up: Runtso Ducks (7-0).
11. Saints (3-3) Lost to Blaze 4-3. Next up JK1 (1-4-1)
12. Condors (2-4) . Lost to PML 4-3. Next up OCHC2 (4-1-1) \
13. Kings 1 (1-4-1). Lost to OCHC 1 3-2. Next up Saints (3-3)
14. Heat (2-2-2 ). Beat Mariners 8-0. Next up: Ontario Wave (4-3)
15. Blaze (2-4) Beat Saints 4-3. Next up: Ducks 1 (4-2)
16. Kings 2(0-4-2). Lost to Wave 1 6-0. Next up: OCHC 1 (4-1-1).
17. Mariners (0-6). Lost to Heat 8-0. Next up: Wave 1 (4-1-2)
18. Wave 2 (1-6). Lost to Wave 1 11-1 and Eagles 11-2. Next up Lady Ducks.
19. Wildcats 1 (0-3). Lost to Lady Ducks 22-0. Next up: Condors (2-4)
20. Wildcats 2 (0-2). Lost to Ontario Wave 14-3. Next up Bears (5-0-2)
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January Meeting:
Scott Allegrini reminded the board that at the SCAHA November meeting, the SCAHA board appointed him as the chair of a Competitive Advancement Committee whose mandate was to review the competitive levels of the SCAHA A/B teams and to come up with a proposal that would promote competitive advancement in the league. The committee members are; Ben Frank, Todd Thomasy, Scott Allegrini, Steve Yovetich and Dave Bigelow. Scott deferred to Dave Bigelow who presented the committee’s proposal. Dave Bigelow distributed a power point presentation to the board. Dave highlighted some lproblems that exist in our league.
Divisions and levels cluttered with teams at varying skill Competitive games are random
Pressure on clubs guessing where teams should play Matchups producing false positives and negatives Competitive hockey exists in pockets
Preseason too short for sorting out A/B
No consideration placed on geography
The goal is to try and build a competitive environment and structure so that teams can have competitive games relative to their opponents across the season. The overall goal is to grow the sport, keep the players playing from Mites to Midgets. The committee is proposing to create two divisions, with one division being state bound and the other division league bound only. Dave Bigelow distributed a chart showing the ranking and division of the teams that are state bound only. The table uses the “top†24 teams ranked into four-(4) pools of six-(6) teams each. Discussion followed. It was agreed upon that the non-state bound concept would be discarded. It was suggested the committee should revise the structure and use the same ranking/scheduling format as the chart presented but to apply it to A/BB/B pre-destined divisions and to have the league rank the teams into their appropriate division after the first 5-week play and then re-rank the teams after the 7- games played. The committee will regroup and re-present to the board at the next SCAHA board meeting.
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This all started by letting Mites play up. That was the beginning of the problem. Last year 7 teams at least had no business playing pee wee A. Last years AA was much stronger then this years too.
When your kid has played two years of full ice at mite and it is mandated that it is going to be cross ice, then you don't really have a choice. It's time to move up a division.
And since cross ice started kids seem to start younger with clubs. I got an e-mail from a club looking for kids for track 2 this year down to 2011! It will be interesting to see if SCAHA sticks to its guns and stops mites from playing up next season.
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This is Great. BF will have an 06 Bantam team next year.
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This is so ridiculous that henceforth he will no longer be identified as "BF". His name is BEN FRANK and he apparently has a scheming little plan to milk things as he sees fit. BEN FRANK IS the OWNER OPERATOR and MANAGER of the RIVERSIDE WILDCATS. So folks be advised and act accordingly. Any defenders of this guy please come forward, make yourself known and state your case (and be prepared to look like an idiot while doing it).
What's that saying?? Ohh yeah, THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. Oh wait there's another one that applies here.. What do men with power want? MORE POWER!!
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This is so ridiculous that henceforth he will no longer be identified as "BF". His name is BEN FRANK and he apparently has a scheming little plan to milk things as he sees fit. BEN FRANK IS the OWNER OPERATOR and MANAGER of the RIVERSIDE WILDCATS. So folks be advised and act accordingly. Any defenders of this guy please come forward, make yourself known and state your case (and be prepared to look like an idiot while doing it).
What's that saying?? Ohh yeah, THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. Oh wait there's another one that applies here.. What do men with power want? MORE POWER!!
Those who seek out power have the least ability to wield said power.
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OCHC3 over Eagles 4 to 3.
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Bears over Wildcats (2) 11-1
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OC 1 over Jr Kings 2: 10-1
Wave 1 over Mariners: 10-1
OC 2 over Condors: 5-2
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Jr. Kings 1 over S D Saints: 4-0
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Looking at some of these results, imagine what a competitive PWBB and PWA division would look like if some of the current lower end teams would consider dropping...
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
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Just heard Ducks Runsto over PML 4-2. Sounds like a great game!
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
PeeWee AA team dropped to A.. LOL!
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Squirt BB dropped to B and ended up losing in scaha semi finals. 14/15.
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
PeeWee AA team dropped to A.. LOL!
Okay i am impressed. ;D
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My kid will not drop down to a lower division. We love chasing the letter.
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My kid will not drop down to a lower division. We love chasing the letter.
;D That's cause your kid is the only kid on that team who will go pro.
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The deadline has now past. Who has dropped or does peewee A really have 24 teams?
If there are 24 teams then there should be 2- 12 team regional divisions and a 6 team cross divisional playoff format. Thoughts?
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My kid will not drop down to a lower division. We love chasing the letter.
;D That's cause your kid is the only kid on that team who will go pro.
Well thanks my lil superstar will be.
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AA thread says that SCAHA or CAHA reversed it decision, and denied SDIA's request to drop from AA to A. Thread says SDIA was winless (0-4-2) at AA.
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
PeeWee AA team dropped to A.. LOL!
Okay i am impressed. ;D
I'll tell you what... If only 1 team drops from A I'll buy you a beer.. But if at least 3 teams drop, you have to buy me a beer! Deal PK?
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
PeeWee AA team dropped to A.. LOL!
Okay i am impressed. ;D
I'll tell you what... If only 1 team drops from A I'll buy you a beer.. But if at least 3 teams drop, you have to buy me a beer! Deal PK?
Don't bet PK beers, he'll make you go broke.
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Will be good to get a list of any teams that are moving down from A. Heat PW A team has a short bench and we are looking for players so hoping to find 1 or 2 kids that are A quality but on a team moving down to BB (and the kids don't resign). Message me if you are looking for a team and are interested.
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
PeeWee AA team dropped to A.. LOL!
Okay i am impressed. ;D
I'll tell you what... If only 1 team drops from A I'll buy you a beer.. But if at least 3 teams drop, you have to buy me a beer! Deal PK?
Don't bet PK beers, he'll make you go broke.
I can't see you EVER running out of beers, Trans...
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
PeeWee AA team dropped to A.. LOL!
Okay i am impressed. ;D
I'll tell you what... If only 1 team drops from A I'll buy you a beer.. But if at least 3 teams drop, you have to buy me a beer! Deal PK?
I'm in!
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Anyone see any good match ups this past weekend? Score boards show a lot of blow outs again. Looks like some games were close. Some of the top teams were battling it out.
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anyone know the result of Wave 2 vs. Lady Ducks?
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April Minutes posted. Here's the discussion of competitive play:
Competitive Play Committee Ben Frank stated that the committee was tasked to update their proposals presented at
2|Pagethe last meeting implementing the results of the straw polls taken at that time. Ben Frank informed the board that the committee is recommending the following:
• Proposal #1 – add a Peewee BB division • Proposal #2 – longer evaluation period by extending the preseason from 3 games
to 5 games
Discussion followed in an open forum. There was an overall agreement by the presidents to add a Peewee BB division and to have a later final declaration date, after the 4th game of the preseason. In addition, it was recommended that teams should play in Labor Day tournaments. The SCAHA Commissioner will select the committee that will review the results of the preseason games and possibly Labor Day games wherever applicable. The committee will be tasked to make team movements whether up a level or down a level based on the results of these games. All movements will be communicated with clubs beforehand.
Chris Carcerano stated that the Letter-of-Intent will be reviewed at the Rules Committee. Chris asked for a straw poll from the presidents on whether SCAHA should continue with the Midget 16A and Midget 18A divisions. The presidents agreed that SCAHA should continue offering those divisions for the upcoming season.
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Everyone interested should also look at the March minutes for some of the other ideas floating around. The LOI reference is that it was proposed that LOIs stay intact if team are moved to different divisions within an A/B level...
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April Minutes posted. Here's the discussion of competitive play:
Competitive Play Committee Ben Frank stated that the committee was tasked to update their proposals presented at
2|Pagethe last meeting implementing the results of the straw polls taken at that time. Ben Frank informed the board that the committee is recommending the following:
• Proposal #1 – add a Peewee BB division • Proposal #2 – longer evaluation period by extending the preseason from 3 games
to 5 games
Discussion followed in an open forum. There was an overall agreement by the presidents to add a Peewee BB division and to have a later final declaration date, after the 4th game of the preseason. In addition, it was recommended that teams should play in Labor Day tournaments. The SCAHA Commissioner will select the committee that will review the results of the preseason games and possibly Labor Day games wherever applicable. The committee will be tasked to make team movements whether up a level or down a level based on the results of these games. All movements will be communicated with clubs beforehand.
Chris Carcerano stated that the Letter-of-Intent will be reviewed at the Rules Committee. Chris asked for a straw poll from the presidents on whether SCAHA should continue with the Midget 16A and Midget 18A divisions. The presidents agreed that SCAHA should continue offering those divisions for the upcoming season.
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Everyone interested should also look at the March minutes for some of the other ideas floating around. The LOI reference is that it was proposed that LOIs stay intact if team are moved to different divisions within an A/B level...
Always good to get the most up to date info from SCAHA in a timely fashion. ::)
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Lady Ducks- 7
Wave (2)- 1
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April Minutes posted. Here's the discussion of competitive play:
Competitive Play Committee Ben Frank stated that the committee was tasked to update their proposals presented at
2|Pagethe last meeting implementing the results of the straw polls taken at that time. Ben Frank informed the board that the committee is recommending the following:
• Proposal #1 – add a Peewee BB division • Proposal #2 – longer evaluation period by extending the preseason from 3 games
to 5 games
Discussion followed in an open forum. There was an overall agreement by the presidents to add a Peewee BB division and to have a later final declaration date, after the 4th game of the preseason. In addition, it was recommended that teams should play in Labor Day tournaments. The SCAHA Commissioner will select the committee that will review the results of the preseason games and possibly Labor Day games wherever applicable. The committee will be tasked to make team movements whether up a level or down a level based on the results of these games. All movements will be communicated with clubs beforehand.
Chris Carcerano stated that the Letter-of-Intent will be reviewed at the Rules Committee. Chris asked for a straw poll from the presidents on whether SCAHA should continue with the Midget 16A and Midget 18A divisions. The presidents agreed that SCAHA should continue offering those divisions for the upcoming season.
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Everyone interested should also look at the March minutes for some of the other ideas floating around. The LOI reference is that it was proposed that LOIs stay intact if team are moved to different divisions within an A/B level...
Always good to get the most up to date info from SCAHA in a timely fashion. ::)
Also great to see the "new" process working well ;D.
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Not so sure the "problem" began with letting Mites play up. At the Pee Wee level, there used to be a disencentive/block to playing up. It was called checking. Not sure if kids were ever allowed to play up from a non checking division into a checking one. Need some institutional memory from the board on this one.
It happened, but not very often and usually with kids who were oversized at their age. That tends to balance out as they progress. But a 5'5" squirt who had some coordination did just fine in peewee checking.
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Skates, on paper, the closest game was OC3/Eagles, which OC3 won 4 to 3. Game did not seem that close. Last goal was on empty net 6-4 power play that arose from a controversial unsportsmanlike conduct call; several potential OC goals were waived off or just not called. OC looked like it had a more balanced offense. Looking forward to two match ups this week: Mariners vs. Wildcats 2, and Ducks 1 vs Wave 1...
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The pursuit of the almighty "2nd A" continues. I just heard that a player on an A team threw a fit and demanded his release from his contract so he could play for a AA team this season. The reasoning behind the move you may ask? Little Gretzky has a better chance of playing bantam AAA next season if he plays AA this year. Has anyone heard of this being done right before the season starts? Seems like odd timing to me, but what do I know, my kid isn't going pro.
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Was the team about to be moved down?
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The pursuit of the almighty "2nd A" continues. I just heard that a player on an A team threw a fit and demanded his release from his contract so he could play for a AA team this season. The reasoning behind the move you may ask? Little Gretzky has a better chance of playing bantam AAA next season if he plays AA this year. Has anyone heard of this being done right before the season starts? Seems like odd timing to me, but what do I know, my kid isn't going pro.
What team?
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The pursuit of the almighty "2nd A" continues. I just heard that a player on an A team threw a fit and demanded his release from his contract so he could play for a AA team this season. The reasoning behind the move you may ask? Little Gretzky has a better chance of playing bantam AAA next season if he plays AA this year. Has anyone heard of this being done right before the season starts? Seems like odd timing to me, but what do I know, my kid isn't going pro.
My money is on a disappointing AAA evaluation next year. Jus sayin. Player threw a fit, or Daddy?
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Adjusted Standings. Includes tournaments and pre-season and exhibition games listed on SCAHA schedule. NOT a power ranking, which would be more fun.
1. Ducks 2 (8-0.) Next up: Eagles
2. Bears (6-0-2.) Beat WC2 11-1. Next up: JK1
3. Wave 1 (5-1-2.) Beat Mariners 10-1. Next up: Ducks 1
4. OC 1 (5-1-1.) Beat JK2 10-1. Next: up: Sts
4. OC 2 (5-1-1.) Beat Condors 5-2. Next up: JK2
6. Ducks 1 (5-2.) Beat Blaze 14- 6. Next up: Wave 1 and Heat
6. OC 3 (5-3.) Beat Eagles 4-3. Next up Lady Ducks
6. Wave 3 (5-3.) Lost to Heat 4-2. Next up: Blaze
9. Heat (3-2-2.) Beat Wave 3, 4-2. Next up: Ducks 1
10. Ontario Eagles (3-3-1.) Lost to OC3, 4-3. Next up: Ducks 2
11. Maple Leafs (3-4.) Lost to Ducks 1, 4-2. Next up: Wave 2
11. Saints (3-4.) Lost to JK1, 4-0. Next up: OC1
13. Kings 1 (2-4-1.) Beat Saints 4-0. Next up Bears
14. Condors (2-5.) Lost to OC2, 5-2. Next up: WC1
15. Blaze (2-5.) Lost to Ducks 1, 14-6 Next up: Wave 3
16. Wave 2 (1-6.) Lost to Wave 1, 11-1 and Eagles 11-2. Next up: PML
17. Kings 2 (0-5-2.) Lost to OC1 10-1. Next up: OC2
18. Mariners (0-7.) Lost to Wave 1, 10-1. Next up: WC2
19. Wildcats 1 (0-3.) Lost to Lady Ducks 22-0. Next up: Condors
20. Wildcats 2 (0-3.) Lost to Bears 11-1. Next up: Mariners
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Anyone know of any A teams that dropped to BB?
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No first hand knowledge, but other parents at the rink today said both Wildcats teams, Saints and Mariners.
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OC3 - 6 Lady Ducks - 2
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So now we know... BF is in the USA hockey news and the title is "Overcoming obstacles and building postitive club cluture" He says it is not all about winning games but player development. How can a player develop when they are getting beat 22 to 0? Sounds like they don't ever even touch a puck during the game. LOL!
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
PeeWee AA team dropped to A.. LOL!
Okay i am impressed. ;D
I'll tell you what... If only 1 team drops from A I'll buy you a beer.. But if at least 3 teams drop, you have to buy me a beer! Deal PK?
I'm in!
SCORE!! Looks like I won!! 3 teams dropped, Wildcats 1 and 2 and also looks like Mariners. Pitcher, here I come!!
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It looks like a Wave team is now listed in BB as well.
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
PeeWee AA team dropped to A.. LOL!
Okay i am impressed. ;D
I'll tell you what... If only 1 team drops from A I'll buy you a beer.. But if at least 3 teams drop, you have to buy me a beer! Deal PK?
I'm in!
SCORE!! Looks like I won!! 3 teams dropped, Wildcats 1 and 2 and also looks like Mariners. Pitcher, here I come!!
Yes Sir! Payable at the Valencia Bar.
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With today being the drop down date, has anyone heard of anything? I still have to believe the 2 Wildcat teams will drop since their AA team will fill the A club spot.
Can you name one time that a wildcats team has dropped down?
PeeWee AA team dropped to A.. LOL!
Okay i am impressed. ;D
I'll tell you what... If only 1 team drops from A I'll buy you a beer.. But if at least 3 teams drop, you have to buy me a beer! Deal PK?
I'm in!
SCORE!! Looks like I won!! 3 teams dropped, Wildcats 1 and 2 and also looks like Mariners. Pitcher, here I come!!
Yes Sir! Payable at the Valencia Bar.
AWESOME! I'll talk to a few buddies on your team to get your practice schedule!
Looks like they did make the SDIA stay in AA.
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Odd that Wave 2/Maple Leafs and OC/ Saints scores haven't been posted. Our Wave 2 and Saints dropping? Anyone know the scoress?
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I heard the Wave 2 lost 9-1 and that they won't drop because 3 of their players will look elsewhere and not re-sign. I do not understand why they are not forced by SCAHA to play down.
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I heard the Wave 2 lost 9-1 and that they won't drop because 3 of their players will look elsewhere and not re-sign. I do not understand why they are not forced by SCAHA to play down.
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Odd that Wave 2/Maple Leafs and OC/ Saints scores haven't been posted. Our Wave 2 and Saints dropping? Anyone know the scoress?
I believe it was OC 10 Saints 2
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I heard the Wave 2 lost 9-1 and that they won't drop because 3 of their players will look elsewhere and not re-sign. I do not understand why they are not forced by SCAHA to play down.
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What He said....
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I heard the Wave 2 lost 9-1 and that they won't drop because 3 of their players will look elsewhere and not re-sign. I do not understand why they are not forced by SCAHA to play down.
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What He said....
Wave 2 is 1-8-0 in 9 games with 62 GA 10 GF. The only team they beat was an out of state team which was basically an in house team. If I were one of the parents on that team, I would be pissed at those 3 family's. It's going to be a long season driving 2 hours watching you team lose by double digits. The kids will not develop if they are chasing in their defending zone the entire game. This is a case where SCAHA should step in and force drop the team and keep the LOI in place.
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I heard the Wave 2 lost 9-1 and that they won't drop because 3 of their players will look elsewhere and not re-sign. I do not understand why they are not forced by SCAHA to play down.
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What He said....
Wave 2 is 1-8-0 in 9 games with 62 GA 10 GF. The only team they beat was an out of state team which was basically an in house team. If I were one of the parents on that team, I would be pissed at those 3 family's. It's going to be a long season driving 2 hours watching you team lose by double digits. The kids will not develop if they are chasing in their defending zone the entire game. This is a case where SCAHA should step in and force drop the team and keep the LOI in place.
If this is really the case, they should drop and let those 3 families just go! They are loosing now with those 3 kids, so without them they could drop to BB or even B. If the other kids are struggling that much, they are not going to see much development at A anyway with 3 kids doing everything. At least in B they would touch the puck a whole lot more and that's contributes to development. Seems my theme of what am I missing applies here too.
What am I missing??
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I heard, that if they release those players they don't have enough to field a team. They would have to fold. Their roster shows 14 players. That would leave them with 11 players.
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I heard, that if they release those players they don't have enough to field a team. They would have to fold. Their roster shows 14 players. That would leave them with 11 players.
Makes sense... I think they could pull off 10 skaters plus 1 goalie at PeeWee B. Looks like the Lions are doing that now in PeeWee B.
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I heard, that if they release those players they don't have enough to field a team. They would have to fold. Their roster shows 14 players. That would leave them with 11 players.
Makes sense... I think they could pull off 10 skaters plus 1 goalie at PeeWee B. Looks like the Lions are doing that now in PeeWee B.
Two SQA teams do this (Ducks - EK/Artesia) and kick butt. What's the problem?
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Scaha rules allow squirt teams to play with 10 players. Same rules require pee wee teams to have 12 players.
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Let a team fold??? Now if you own an ice house where you have just had 14 people commit a shitload of money to you why in the world would you let these people out of their LOI no matter how bad the team is.. Folks its the money.. The money!! You are rationalizing as decent folks with no money to lose unlike the owner of this team.. There is no decency in these ice houses when a pocket is being filled. KNOW THIS!
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Let a team fold??? Now if you own an ice house where you have just had 14 people commit a shitload of money to you why in the world would you let these people out of their LOI no matter how bad the team is.. Folks its the money.. The money!! You are rationalizing as decent folks with no money to lose unlike the owner of this team.. There is no decency in these ice houses when a pocket is being filled. KNOW THIS!
The Money, the Money? yes, but I think that is why we all get out of bed in the morning isn't it? Nothing is stopping you from building a rink and being altruistic and building up youth hockey by letting kids play for free.
I don't think that these rinks are that lucrative of a business in SoCal. Rinks like every other business is in business...... to make money.
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and here I was thinking those powers that be were trying to grow the sport in So Cal.. Silly me, between that and believing 30,000 emails was an accident has caused me to rethink myself.
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Great another political board I may start avoiding now. Is no place safe?? :o :o :o :o
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Adjusted Standings. Not a power ranking.
1. Ducks 2 (9-0.) Beat Eagles 8-4. Next up: JK1
2. Bears (7-0-2.) Beat JK1 7-3. Next up: Condors
3. OC 1 (6-1-1). Beat Sts. 9-2. Next up: Maple Leafs
3. OC 2 (6-1-1). Beat JK2 8-0. Next up: Mariners
5. Wave 1 (5-2-2). Lost 3-0 to Ducks 1. Next up: Saints
6. Ducks 1 (6-3.) Beat Wave 1, 3-0 and lost 3-0 to Heat. Next up: OC3
6. OC 3 (6-3.) Beat Lady Ducks 6-2. Next up: Ducks
6. Wave 3 (6-3.) Beat Blaze 5-3. Next up: Lady Ducks
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9. Heat (4-2-2 .) Beat Ducks 1, 3-0. Next up: WC2
10. Maple Leafs (4-4.) Beat Wave 2, 10-1. Next up: OC1
11. Ontario Eagles (3-4-1). Lost to Ducks 2, 8-4. Next up: JK2
12. Saints (3-5.) Lost to OC1, 9-2. Next up: Wave 1
12. Condors (3-5.) Beat WC1 13-1. Next up: Bears
13. Kings 1 (2-5-1.) Lost to Bears 7-3. Next up: Eagles
14. Blaze (2-6.) Lost to Wave 3, 5-3. Next up: WC1
15. Wave 2 (1-7.) Lost to PML 10-1. Next up: Bye
16. Mariners (1-7). Beat WC2, 6-4. Next up: OC2.
17. Kings 2 (0-6-2.) Lost to OC2, 8-0. Next up: Eagles
18. Wildcats 1 (0-4.) Lost to Condors 13-1. Next up: Blaze.
19. Wildcats 2 (0-4.) Lost to Mariners 8 6-4. Next up: Heat.
Wildcats 1 and 2 and Mariners are dropping out of PWA. J Gulls and Wildcats are dropping into PW A.
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Adjusted Standings. Not a power ranking.
1. Ducks 2 (9-0.) Beat Eagles 8-4. Next up: JK1
2. Bears (7-0-2.) Beat JK1 7-3. Next up: Condors
3. OC 1 (6-1-1). Beat Sts. 9-2. Next up: Maple Leafs
3. OC 2 (6-1-1). Beat JK2 8-0. Next up: Mariners
5. Wave 1 (5-2-2). Lost 3-0 to Ducks 1. Next up: Saints
6. Ducks 1 (6-3.) Beat Wave 1, 3-0 and lost 3-0 to Heat. Next up: OC3
6. OC 3 (6-3.) Beat Lady Ducks 6-2. Next up: Ducks
6. Wave 3 (6-3.) Beat Blaze 5-3. Next up: Lady Ducks
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9. Heat (4-2-2 .) Beat Ducks 1, 3-0. Next up: WC2
10. Maple Leafs (4-4.) Beat Wave 2, 10-1. Next up: OC1
11. Ontario Eagles (3-4-1). Lost to Ducks 2, 8-4. Next up: JK2
12. Saints (3-5.) Lost to OC1, 9-2. Next up: Wave 1
12. Condors (3-5.) Beat WC1 13-1. Next up: Bears
13. Kings 1 (2-5-1.) Lost to Bears 7-3. Next up: Eagles
14. Blaze (2-6.) Lost to Wave 3, 5-3. Next up: WC1
15. Wave 2 (1-7.) Lost to PML 10-1. Next up: Bye
16. Mariners (1-7). Beat WC2, 6-4. Next up: OC2.
17. Kings 2 (0-6-2.) Lost to OC2, 8-0. Next up: Eagles
18. Wildcats 1 (0-4.) Lost to Condors 13-1. Next up: Blaze.
19. Wildcats 2 (0-4.) Lost to Mariners 8 6-4. Next up: Heat.
Wildcats 1 and 2 and Mariners are dropping out of PWA. J Gulls and Wildcats are dropping into PW A.
I am really looking forward to seeing the outcome of OC1 vs Leafs. I think they are better than their record from watching them play.
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Schedule is out. So much for scaha stepping in and forcing teams to drop.
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Schedule is out. So much for scaha stepping in and forcing teams to drop.
I heard a ton of teams moved this year.. most in a long time. It's a start. I for one don't want them making the calls but the coaches and clubs making the right call on placement! At this point in the game, parents can look and see what's going on.
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Adjusted Standings. Not a power ranking.
1. Ducks 2 (9-0.) Beat Eagles 8-4. Next up: JK1
2. Bears (7-0-2.) Beat JK1 7-3. Next up: Condors
3. OC 1 (6-1-1). Beat Sts. 9-2. Next up: Maple Leafs
3. OC 2 (6-1-1). Beat JK2 8-0. Next up: Mariners
5. Wave 1 (5-2-2). Lost 3-0 to Ducks 1. Next up: Saints
6. Ducks 1 (6-3.) Beat Wave 1, 3-0 and lost 3-0 to Heat. Next up: OC3
6. OC 3 (6-3.) Beat Lady Ducks 6-2. Next up: Ducks
6. Wave 3 (6-3.) Beat Blaze 5-3. Next up: Lady Ducks
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9. Heat (4-2-2 .) Beat Ducks 1, 3-0. Next up: WC2
10. Maple Leafs (4-4.) Beat Wave 2, 10-1. Next up: OC1
11. Ontario Eagles (3-4-1). Lost to Ducks 2, 8-4. Next up: JK2
12. Saints (3-5.) Lost to OC1, 9-2. Next up: Wave 1
12. Condors (3-5.) Beat WC1 13-1. Next up: Bears
13. Kings 1 (2-5-1.) Lost to Bears 7-3. Next up: Eagles
14. Blaze (2-6.) Lost to Wave 3, 5-3. Next up: WC1
15. Wave 2 (1-7.) Lost to PML 10-1. Next up: Bye
16. Mariners (1-7). Beat WC2, 6-4. Next up: OC2.
17. Kings 2 (0-6-2.) Lost to OC2, 8-0. Next up: Eagles
18. Wildcats 1 (0-4.) Lost to Condors 13-1. Next up: Blaze.
19. Wildcats 2 (0-4.) Lost to Mariners 8 6-4. Next up: Heat.
I'm curious about these rankings--do you think there will be much parity in the division this year or does it look like there might be a few dominant top teams that are going to win week in and week out. I'm concerned about the competition level throughout the season.
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Adjusted Standings. Not a power ranking.
1. Ducks 2 (9-0.) Beat Eagles 8-4. Next up: JK1
2. Bears (7-0-2.) Beat JK1 7-3. Next up: Condors
3. OC 1 (6-1-1). Beat Sts. 9-2. Next up: Maple Leafs
3. OC 2 (6-1-1). Beat JK2 8-0. Next up: Mariners
5. Wave 1 (5-2-2). Lost 3-0 to Ducks 1. Next up: Saints
6. Ducks 1 (6-3.) Beat Wave 1, 3-0 and lost 3-0 to Heat. Next up: OC3
6. OC 3 (6-3.) Beat Lady Ducks 6-2. Next up: Ducks
6. Wave 3 (6-3.) Beat Blaze 5-3. Next up: Lady Ducks
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9. Heat (4-2-2 .) Beat Ducks 1, 3-0. Next up: WC2
10. Maple Leafs (4-4.) Beat Wave 2, 10-1. Next up: OC1
11. Ontario Eagles (3-4-1). Lost to Ducks 2, 8-4. Next up: JK2
12. Saints (3-5.) Lost to OC1, 9-2. Next up: Wave 1
12. Condors (3-5.) Beat WC1 13-1. Next up: Bears
13. Kings 1 (2-5-1.) Lost to Bears 7-3. Next up: Eagles
14. Blaze (2-6.) Lost to Wave 3, 5-3. Next up: WC1
15. Wave 2 (1-7.) Lost to PML 10-1. Next up: Bye
16. Mariners (1-7). Beat WC2, 6-4. Next up: OC2.
17. Kings 2 (0-6-2.) Lost to OC2, 8-0. Next up: Eagles
18. Wildcats 1 (0-4.) Lost to Condors 13-1. Next up: Blaze.
19. Wildcats 2 (0-4.) Lost to Mariners 8 6-4. Next up: Heat.
I'm curious about these rankings--do you think there will be much parity in the division this year or does it look like there might be a few dominant top teams that are going to win week in and week out. I'm concerned about the competition level throughout the season.
There will be 2-4 dominate teams and the other 4-6 playoff spots will be fought out between 8-10 teams. That is how it has been in the non-checking play up era...
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Skating Dad:
Curious, will the 8-10 teams fighting for the other playoff spots be good enough to challenge those top 2-4 teams or will there be lack of parity?
What if a family were to find themselves on one of those top teams (and they thought, were told, the team would be middling, which it's not) and were concerned about possibly a lack of challenge for their kid. Would it be wrong to try and move the kid up to PWAA? Not a big fan of this, not married to the letters, not ego driven family--but we want our kid to be challenged and at this point are concerned he might be somewhat bored throughout the season. Thoughts???
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Unless you will be released, I don't really see how you can do it. Or, you could pay the $$$ and walk, but you'd probably not make any friends and then there's the questions as to if a AA team would pick you up. Maybe ask to play up a level at tournaments if your kid's team is so good.
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Skating Dad:
Curious, will the 8-10 teams fighting for the other playoff spots be good enough to challenge those top 2-4 teams or will there be lack of parity?
What if a family were to find themselves on one of those top teams (and they thought, were told, the team would be middling, which it's not) and were concerned about possibly a lack of challenge for their kid. Would it be wrong to try and move the kid up to PWAA? Not a big fan of this, not married to the letters, not ego driven family--but we want our kid to be challenged and at this point are concerned he might be somewhat bored throughout the season. Thoughts???
In the non-checking / play up era, the SCHA championship has been decided by these top teams. One of the other non top teams may make it to the semi's. There are more factors with state championship...
Unless you are paid in full, no club will release you. Even then, they may not release you depending on the club and team circumstances. Then, you would have to get a spot on one of the top teams. The top teams are almost always full as they had their pick of players.
The way it is set up, the off season is when you make your move. At this age coaching is the number one thing you should be looking at. You have to have your little Gretzky skate with multiple teams at multiple levels. There are a lot of stand up coaches out there that will give you a fair assessment. There are others who are in it for the money and are not truthful. You can usually tell who is who with a little research and talking with other parents. You will know where your kid is at and the strength of each team, then you can make your move. Even then, there are no guarantees...
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm not concerned about getting a release and the particulars of moving up to PWAA-- that's not the point. I'm thinking about my kids development, that's it for the purpose of this discussion. am i overthinking it or do i have a valid concern. without getting too specific let's say he plays a very specific position, one that doesn't favor us being on a top team. last year we were on a top 2 team where he pretty much didn't get much game action at all. Now we find ourselves on another top team where he's not going to see a lot of quality action. team coaches don't matter so much for him. He's got private coaches. i'm only concerned with game action, speed of game, his overall development. We've been told by multiple coaches that he would be absolutely fine at the PWAA level so I'm just trying to get some feedback from the forum here before we 'possibly' approach our club about options that may or may not be available to us.
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm not concerned about getting a release and the particulars of moving up to PWAA-- that's not the point. I'm thinking about my kids development, that's it for the purpose of this discussion. am i overthinking it or do i have a valid concern. without getting too specific let's say he plays a very specific position, one that doesn't favor us being on a top team. last year we were on a top 2 team where he pretty much didn't get much game action at all. Now we find ourselves on another top team where he's not going to see a lot of quality action. team coaches don't matter so much for him. He's got private coaches. i'm only concerned with game action, speed of game, his overall development. We've been told by multiple coaches that he would be absolutely fine at the PWAA level so I'm just trying to get some feedback from the forum here before we 'possibly' approach our club about options that may or may not be available to us.
If he is seeing private coaches he will develop and there are other options for game action such as tournaments, scrimmages, etc. Most ice time kids get is in practices and that is where the development comes from IMO. I wouldn't get hung up on the 10 games where he isn't seeing much action. There will be many more where he is seeing action (practices, privates, the handful of competitive games).
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm not concerned about getting a release and the particulars of moving up to PWAA-- that's not the point. I'm thinking about my kids development, that's it for the purpose of this discussion. am i overthinking it or do i have a valid concern. without getting too specific let's say he plays a very specific position, one that doesn't favor us being on a top team. last year we were on a top 2 team where he pretty much didn't get much game action at all. Now we find ourselves on another top team where he's not going to see a lot of quality action. team coaches don't matter so much for him. He's got private coaches. i'm only concerned with game action, speed of game, his overall development. We've been told by multiple coaches that he would be absolutely fine at the PWAA level so I'm just trying to get some feedback from the forum here before we 'possibly' approach our club about options that may or may not be available to us.
Yes, you are over thinking it. He is a PW.
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm not concerned about getting a release and the particulars of moving up to PWAA-- that's not the point. I'm thinking about my kids development, that's it for the purpose of this discussion. am i overthinking it or do i have a valid concern. without getting too specific let's say he plays a very specific position, one that doesn't favor us being on a top team. last year we were on a top 2 team where he pretty much didn't get much game action at all. Now we find ourselves on another top team where he's not going to see a lot of quality action. team coaches don't matter so much for him. He's got private coaches. i'm only concerned with game action, speed of game, his overall development. We've been told by multiple coaches that he would be absolutely fine at the PWAA level so I'm just trying to get some feedback from the forum here before we 'possibly' approach our club about options that may or may not be available to us.
If he is seeing private coaches he will develop and there are other options for game action such as tournaments, scrimmages, etc. Most ice time kids get is in practices and that is where the development comes from IMO. I wouldn't get hung up on the 10 games where he isn't seeing much action. There will be many more where he is seeing action (practices, privates, the handful of competitive games).
Thanks Goalie Dad. Good advice. Just what I needed to hear.
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm not concerned about getting a release and the particulars of moving up to PWAA-- that's not the point. I'm thinking about my kids development, that's it for the purpose of this discussion. am i overthinking it or do i have a valid concern. without getting too specific let's say he plays a very specific position, one that doesn't favor us being on a top team. last year we were on a top 2 team where he pretty much didn't get much game action at all. Now we find ourselves on another top team where he's not going to see a lot of quality action. team coaches don't matter so much for him. He's got private coaches. i'm only concerned with game action, speed of game, his overall development. We've been told by multiple coaches that he would be absolutely fine at the PWAA level so I'm just trying to get some feedback from the forum here before we 'possibly' approach our club about options that may or may not be available to us.
Sounds like your son is a goalie. Development generally comes from privates, particularly for goalies. Your son is fine, no matter his position. Enjoy the year, supplement the training, and evaluate options for next season. Most importantly, make sure your son has a good time on his team.
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm not concerned about getting a release and the particulars of moving up to PWAA-- that's not the point. I'm thinking about my kids development, that's it for the purpose of this discussion. am i overthinking it or do i have a valid concern. without getting too specific let's say he plays a very specific position, one that doesn't favor us being on a top team. last year we were on a top 2 team where he pretty much didn't get much game action at all. Now we find ourselves on another top team where he's not going to see a lot of quality action. team coaches don't matter so much for him. He's got private coaches. i'm only concerned with game action, speed of game, his overall development. We've been told by multiple coaches that he would be absolutely fine at the PWAA level so I'm just trying to get some feedback from the forum here before we 'possibly' approach our club about options that may or may not be available to us.
If he is seeing private coaches he will develop and there are other options for game action such as tournaments, scrimmages, etc. Most ice time kids get is in practices and that is where the development comes from IMO. I wouldn't get hung up on the 10 games where he isn't seeing much action. There will be many more where he is seeing action (practices, privates, the handful of competitive games).
Thanks Goalie Dad. Good advice. Just what I needed to hear.
Not to mention... the Bears had a very weak preseason schedule. Two of the teams they played (Wildcats!) are dropping down. There will be some easy games, but the 5-5 OCHC (2) is more like the norm. Top half of PWA are all tough.
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Is it me or did I just see the Ducks(2) score vs Jr Kings (1) 4-5? Did anyone see this game?
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For a goalie it's all about the rubber - lots of it.
Network with coaches who hold shooting clinics - they ALWAYS need goalies. I won't name names, but there are tier down goalies at our rink who play in controlled scrimmages with the year or two older boys and see 60 shots a game. Yes they get scored on, but they see moves and shots they are never going to see in their age group.
I was a goalie, and while it was nice to play on a winning team, all I had to deal with was the occasional breakaway. Better to be on a bad team and face those 2nd, 3rd and 4th rebounds.
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Is it me or did I just see the Ducks(2) score vs Jr Kings (1) 4-5? Did anyone see this game?
Yes, saw it as my friend's kid was playing and I was there early for our game. It got pretty exciting, actually! Kings were down 3-0 in the first; came back ahead at 5-3; Ducks scored I think on a PP (might be wrong on that) to make it 5-4; Ducks pulled their goalie about the last three minutes. Kings prevailed. Plus, heard Kings were down 3 forwards--same last week with Bears the parent told me, but had a lot of penalties that game, and moving goalies in and out for whatever reason.
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Is it me or did I just see the Ducks(2) score vs Jr Kings (1) 4-5? Did anyone see this game?
Yes, saw it as my friend's kid was playing and I was there early for our game. It got pretty exciting, actually! Kings were down 3-0 in the first; came back ahead at 5-3; Ducks scored I think on a PP (might be wrong on that) to make it 5-4; Ducks pulled their goalie about the last three minutes. Kings prevailed. Plus, heard Kings were down 3 forwards--same last week with Bears the parent told me, but had a lot of penalties that game, and moving goalies in and out for whatever reason.
Wow! No one is safe it seems... Should be a great season in PeeWee A!
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Is it me or did I just see the Ducks(2) score vs Jr Kings (1) 4-5? Did anyone see this game?
Yes, saw it as my friend's kid was playing and I was there early for our game. It got pretty exciting, actually! Kings were down 3-0 in the first; came back ahead at 5-3; Ducks scored I think on a PP (might be wrong on that) to make it 5-4; Ducks pulled their goalie about the last three minutes. Kings prevailed. Plus, heard Kings were down 3 forwards--same last week with Bears the parent told me, but had a lot of penalties that game, and moving goalies in and out for whatever reason.
Wow! No one is safe it seems... Should be a great season in PeeWee A!
11 and 12 year old kids acting their age. Sounds like they went up by 3 early and got over confident. Kids are kids and don't always show up...
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm not concerned about getting a release and the particulars of moving up to PWAA-- that's not the point. I'm thinking about my kids development, that's it for the purpose of this discussion. am i overthinking it or do i have a valid concern. without getting too specific let's say he plays a very specific position, one that doesn't favor us being on a top team. last year we were on a top 2 team where he pretty much didn't get much game action at all. Now we find ourselves on another top team where he's not going to see a lot of quality action. team coaches don't matter so much for him. He's got private coaches. i'm only concerned with game action, speed of game, his overall development. We've been told by multiple coaches that he would be absolutely fine at the PWAA level so I'm just trying to get some feedback from the forum here before we 'possibly' approach our club about options that may or may not be available to us.
I'm not a goalie parent (thank god) so, I can not help you there...
Playing time at this age is more important than being on a good teem and riding the pine. The kids are in it to have fun and want to play. The parents get concerned about the letter(s) behind the level. I would rather my player to be a on a competitive team and get playing time than an top team and not get playing time. They do no develop watching other kids...
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Is it me or did I just see the Ducks(2) score vs Jr Kings (1) 4-5? Did anyone see this game?
Yes, saw it as my friend's kid was playing and I was there early for our game. It got pretty exciting, actually! Kings were down 3-0 in the first; came back ahead at 5-3; Ducks scored I think on a PP (might be wrong on that) to make it 5-4; Ducks pulled their goalie about the last three minutes. Kings prevailed. Plus, heard Kings were down 3 forwards--same last week with Bears the parent told me, but had a lot of penalties that game, and moving goalies in and out for whatever reason.
Wow! No one is safe it seems... Should be a great season in PeeWee A!
11 and 12 year old kids acting their age. Sounds like they went up by 3 early and got over confident. Kids are kids and don't always show up...
Ducks showed up! I'm not a JK parent, but I give them credit where it's due. They played hard whole game, with three forwards out. I heard that Matt "Moose" Johnson is back coaching their D full time now. Maybe he got them on the right path!!
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Adjusted Standings. Not a power ranking.
3. OC 1 (6-1-1). Beat Sts. 9-2. Next up: Maple Leafs
3. OC 2 (6-1-1). Beat JK2 8-0. Next up: Mariners
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9. Heat (4-2-2 .) Beat Ducks 1, 3-0. Next up: WC2
10. Maple Leafs (4-4.) Beat Wave 2, 10-1. Next up: OC1
Wildcats 1 and 2 and Mariners are dropping out of PWA. J Gulls and Wildcats are dropping into PW A.
I am really looking forward to seeing the outcome of OC1 vs Leafs. I think they are better than their record from watching them play.
You pretty much called it. Leafs are a team that is going to continue to get stronger as the season progresses.
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How did OC vs Leafs turn out?
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Is it me or did I just see the Ducks(2) score vs Jr Kings (1) 4-5? Did anyone see this game?
Yes, saw it as my friend's kid was playing and I was there early for our game. It got pretty exciting, actually! Kings were down 3-0 in the first; came back ahead at 5-3; Ducks scored I think on a PP (might be wrong on that) to make it 5-4; Ducks pulled their goalie about the last three minutes. Kings prevailed. Plus, heard Kings were down 3 forwards--same last week with Bears the parent told me, but had a lot of penalties that game, and moving goalies in and out for whatever reason.
Wow! No one is safe it seems... Should be a great season in PeeWee A!
11 and 12 year old kids acting their age. Sounds like they went up by 3 early and got over confident. Kids are kids and don't always show up...
Ducks showed up! I'm not a JK parent, but I give them credit where it's due. They played hard whole game, with three forwards out. I heard that Matt "Moose" Johnson is back coaching their D full time now. Maybe he got them on the right path!!
I'm not trying to take away what JK1 did, they beat an undefeated team. The JK1 kids deserve credit for doing what no team to date has done. The JK kids who showed up, played the entire game and won. It is ether a match up problem or the Ducks had an off game. Since the Ducks went up 3-0 in the first and only scored 1 more eludes to them not playing the entire game. It looks like they play again in January...
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Adjusted Standings. Not a power ranking.
3. OC 1 (6-1-1). Beat Sts. 9-2. Next up: Maple Leafs
3. OC 2 (6-1-1). Beat JK2 8-0. Next up: Mariners
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9. Heat (4-2-2 .) Beat Ducks 1, 3-0. Next up: WC2
10. Maple Leafs (4-4.) Beat Wave 2, 10-1. Next up: OC1
Wildcats 1 and 2 and Mariners are dropping out of PWA. J Gulls and Wildcats are dropping into PW A.
I am really looking forward to seeing the outcome of OC1 vs Leafs. I think they are better than their record from watching them play.
You pretty much called it. Leafs are a team that is going to continue to get stronger as the season progresses.
The Leafs are a big team and look like they have a lot of 04's. They will get better as will all the teams who have a large number of 04 teams. The testosterone really kicks in at the end of the season for the 04's.
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Adjusted Standings. Not a power ranking.
3. OC 1 (6-1-1). Beat Sts. 9-2. Next up: Maple Leafs
3. OC 2 (6-1-1). Beat JK2 8-0. Next up: Mariners
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9. Heat (4-2-2 .) Beat Ducks 1, 3-0. Next up: WC2
10. Maple Leafs (4-4.) Beat Wave 2, 10-1. Next up: OC1
Wildcats 1 and 2 and Mariners are dropping out of PWA. J Gulls and Wildcats are dropping into PW A.
I am really looking forward to seeing the outcome of OC1 vs Leafs. I think they are better than their record from watching them play.
You pretty much called it. Leafs are a team that is going to continue to get stronger as the season progresses.
Assuming they beat OCHC (1). Pretty darn impressive if they did. Turned it around fast. Will definitely fight it out.
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Don't quote me, but I heard leafs won 7-2.
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I wouldn't sleep on the Heat... They will make the playoff and surprise one of the top dogs and OCHC3 will improve and compete as well.
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I wouldn't sleep on the Heat... They will make the playoff and surprise one of the top dogs and OCHC3 will improve and compete as well.
But did you consider who they have played in the pre-season? At least three of the teams are now B/BB, no? That's the problem with these pre-season predictions, the level of play demanded of various teams has been all over the board, with lots of players missing or out for various reasons.
Time will, of course, tell!!
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I wouldn't sleep on the Heat... They will make the playoff and surprise one of the top dogs and OCHC3 will improve and compete as well.
But did you consider who they have played in the pre-season? At least three of the teams are now B/BB, no? That's the problem with these pre-season predictions, the level of play demanded of various teams has been all over the board, with lots of players missing or out for various reasons.
Time will, of course, tell!!
After looking at the Heat games, the one that jumps out is the tie against the Jr Kings (2). That Kings 2 team has lost to Wave1 6-0, OCHC(1) 10-1, OCHC(2) 8-0 and Eagles 5-1.... Wildcats(2) 8-5 win seems kinda off a bit?
But hey, i mentioned a while ago that the Leafs and Heat shouldn't be overlooked. I think PML will make the bigger jump though. To borrow Skates phrase.... "Time will tell!"
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Don't quote me, but I heard leafs won 7-2.
Saw the Leafs v. OC1 game. The Leafs are a good team. Their defense is outstanding. The team is big, has decent speed, passes well, and seems well coached. OC1 is better than they played. Their easy schedule has given them a false sense of superiority. Hard to call which of the three OC teams has the most promise. Each has strengths and weaknesses. It depends on which team develops the most over the next few weeks as with most of the other good PWA teams. Probably 8 or more teams can beat any other team on a given weekend. Last weekend, Leafs came to play; OC1 not so much.
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I wouldn't sleep on the Heat... They will make the playoff and surprise one of the top dogs and OCHC3 will improve and compete as well.
But did you consider who they have played in the pre-season? At least three of the teams are now B/BB, no? That's the problem with these pre-season predictions, the level of play demanded of various teams has been all over the board, with lots of players missing or out for various reasons.
Time will, of course, tell!!
Perhaps I should pay more attention to the score sheets (didn't they just beat Ducks1, a supposedly pretty strong team?)... No dog in the PWA fight, just going by what I know of a few of the Heat players and coach, it's my opinion that they can play and will be in the mix.
I do watch OCHC3 practice often and I believe they are good enough to challenge for a playoff spot as well.
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I saw a good chunk of the Heat's game against the Ducks 1. They had strong scoring chances. It was an exciting game.
I sort of feel that it is wide open at A based on the disparity of games played in preseason and the teams dropping. Many think 2-4 teams will dominate but I'm not so sure.
No one has mentioned the Bears which played some weaker teams. They have very strong goal tending and seem like a deep team.
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I saw a good chunk of the Heat's game against the Ducks 1. They had strong scoring chances. It was an exciting game.
I sort of feel that it is wide open at A based on the disparity of games played in preseason and the teams dropping. Many think 2-4 teams will dominate but I'm not so sure.
No one has mentioned the Bears which played some weaker teams. They have very strong goal tending and seem like a deep team.
I think for the most part, all of the "top 8" played it's share of weaker games. HOWEVER <Steven A Smith voice> The Bears did play the Kings (1) and OCHC (2) and a Jr Condors team that beat the Jr Ducks (1) and lost to PML by 1; so not a pushover at all.
But as the Kings showed this past weekend ... Any given sunday!
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Just a side question... why does it take so long for certain scores to be posted on SCAHA? It's Tuesday and some scores are still not listed.
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I wouldn't sleep on the Heat... They will make the playoff and surprise one of the top dogs and OCHC3 will improve and compete as well.
But did you consider who they have played in the pre-season? At least three of the teams are now B/BB, no? That's the problem with these pre-season predictions, the level of play demanded of various teams has been all over the board, with lots of players missing or out for various reasons.
Time will, of course, tell!!
After looking at the Heat games, the one that jumps out is the tie against the Jr Kings (2). That Kings 2 team has lost to Wave1 6-0, OCHC(1) 10-1, OCHC(2) 8-0 and Eagles 5-1.... Wildcats(2) 8-5 win seems kinda off a bit?
But hey, i mentioned a while ago that the Leafs and Heat shouldn't be overlooked. I think PML will make the bigger jump though. To borrow Skates phrase.... "Time will tell!"
Yes, Time will tell!! The Kings 2 is all 06, not sure if that makes a difference to anyone pondering all of this.
And, isn't the Heat coach the same one from last year -- had AA and A and both did pretty poorly and a lot of players, from what I heard, left the club due to coaching style and poor organization during games. Maybe they learned something we don't know ... yet!!
PML will be interesting, but so will everyone else judging by the way this is going!
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Just a side question... why does it take so long for certain scores to be posted on SCAHA? It's Tuesday and some scores are still not listed.
This was a question posted on Tier board as well. Managers post scores, so no idea why some get it up so late.
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Any opinions on how the Mariners and Wildcats will fare dropping from A?
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Hey all, just a quick follow up about the potential move up to PWAA for my son. We spoke to some folks at our club and everyone agreed we should enjoy the season in PWA – so that’s exactly what we’re going to do. I realize we are fortunate to be in a very good situation and I can’t thank everyone at the club enough for their advice and feedback.
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Hey all, just a quick follow up about the potential move up to PWAA for my son. We spoke to some folks at our club and everyone agreed we should enjoy the season in PWA – so that’s exactly what we’re going to do. I realize we are fortunate to be in a very good situation and I can’t thank everyone at the club enough for their advice and feedback.
Reasonable, smart decision, you won't regret it.
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Hey all, just a quick follow up about the potential move up to PWAA for my son. We spoke to some folks at our club and everyone agreed we should enjoy the season in PWA – so that’s exactly what we’re going to do. I realize we are fortunate to be in a very good situation and I can’t thank everyone at the club enough for their advice and feedback.
Reasonable, smart decision, you won't regret it.
We have experienced losing week end and week out, being on a top team with bulls-eye on your chest and and a competitive playoff teams. Knowing you have almost no chance to win is very hard to do for an entire season. I will never do that again! The only thing I hope for every year is to be on a competitive team. If you place you player correctly on a team consisting of the median talent level of your player, chances are you will have a good year. I do not understand why the reluctance to drop is so prevalent. You absolutely made the right choice.
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Rankings – Week 1. Parity Rules. Any Given Sunday. There is baker's dozen of teams that seem to have a shot at the playoffs, without looking at their schedules. Hope the bottom teams prove me wrong. Good luck to all!
1A. Bears (8-0-2.) Relatively untested in pre-season, but undefeated status earns top spot going into season.
This week: OC3
Wins: Heat, PML, Condors (2x), SR Flyers, JK1, WC1, WC2
Losses: None.
Ties: OC2, SR Flyers
1B. Ducks 2 (9-1.) Great pre-season against tough schedule, but not an unstoppable beast. Loss to JK1 underscored there is no ‘Tide this year.
This week: JK2.
Wins: OC2, OC3 (2x), PML, Eagles, Blaze, Sts., W2, Nevada Storm
Losses: JK1
3. Ducks 1 (6-3.) Team looks capable of beating any team or losing to any top 12 team. Same could be said for many teams.
This week: Wave 2
W: W1, OC3, W3, JK1, Blaze (2x), JK2
L: W3, Heat, Condors
4. OC 2 (7-1-1). Placed this high on basis of tie with Bears and 1 goal loss against D2, not on wins against second division and BB teams. Weaker pre-season schedule could lead to some early season upsets.
This week: Bye
W: JK1, Condors, Sts, W2, Nevada Storm, JK2, M’s,
L: D2
T: Bears
5. OC 3 (6-4.) Apart from match up issue with D2, this team has played a strong preseason against strong competition. Two other close losses against top teams. May have this team too high or too low.
This week: Bears
W: OC1, Eagles (2x), W3, Lady Ducks, M’s
L: D2 (2x), D1, W1
6. Wave 1 (6-2-2). Really like this team. Conventional wisdom is better catch them early in the season, but I wonder how they will match up against 04s when the older kids hit their stride.
This week: Heat
W: OC3, Sts., W2, JK2, M’s (2x),
L: D1, Eagles
T: OC1, Eaglea
7. OC1 (6-2-1). Record bloated by weak pre-season line up. Has not looked good in recent games and scrimmages. Not sure whether it is because a weak pre season schedule had not honed their intensity or some deeper chemistry issue. Might be both.
This week: Bye
W: Eagles, JK1, Sts., JK2, W2, M’s,
L: OC3, PML
T: W1.
8. Heat (5-2-2 .) Early preseason tie against JK2 troubling, but later wins against D1 and Wave 3 suggest team could rise higher
This week: Wave 1
W: D1, W3, Condors, M’s, WC2
L: Bears, PML
T: SR Flyers, JK2
9. Maple Leafs (5-4.) Wins over OC1 and Heat may have warranted higher placment
This week: Saints
W: OC1, Heat, Condors, WC2, W2
L: Bears, Condors, SR Flyers
10. Wave 3 (7-3.) Lost three pre-season games against competitive teams. Does not bode well.
This week: Blaze
W: D1, JK1, Blaze (2x), JK2, WC2, Lady Ducks
L: D1, OC3, Heat
11. Ontario Eagles (4-4-1). Another team that may be placed too low. Matches up with Wave 1 and has played some other top teams tight but just cant quite bet them...yet.
This week: Lady Ducks
W: W1, JK2, W2, M’s
L: D2, OC1, OC3 (2x)
T: W1
12. Condors (3-6.) Strong pre season schedule produced mixed results
This week: Jr Gulls
W: D1, PML, WC1
L: Bears (2x), OC2, PML, Heat, SR Flyer,
13. Kings 1 (3-5-1.) Not so easy to dismiss after last week.These kids have proven they can take down any team.
This week: Wildcats
W: D2, Blaze, Sts.
L: Bears, D1, OC2, OC1, W3
T: JK2
14. Blaze (3-6.) No wins over strong teams in pre season. They have their work cut out for them.
This week: Wave 3
W: Sts, JK2, WC1
L : D2, D1 (2x), W3 (2x), JK2
15. Saints (3-6.) No wins against strong teams in pre season.
This week: PML
W: W2 (2x), Nevada Storm , WC1
L: D2, OC2, W1, OC1, JK1, Blaze
16. Wave 2 (1-7.) Out of principle, one win team ranked higher than winless team.
This week: JD1
W: Nevada Storm
L: D2, Oc2, OC1, W1,, Eagles, PML,Sts., Lady Ducks
17. Kings 2 (0-7-2.) 06 team played strong competition in preseason. Not as bad as winless record suggests, but likely too far behind growth chart to be true playoff contender. Hope I am wrong. Probably better than Wave 2.
This week: JD2
L D1, W1, OC2, OC1, W3, Eagles JK1,
T JK1, heat
Not ranked: Wildcats
This week: JK1
Not ranked: Jr Gulls.
This week: Condors
ThT
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What went down today, folks??
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Bears 3 OC3 1. Exciting game
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Lady Ducks 6 Eagles 4
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Had time on my hands!!
Ducks(2) 5 over JK (2) 0
Condors 7 over Gulls 4
Wave 1 (Art) 6 over Heat 4
Ducks (1) 6 over Wave 2 (Art) 0
Wave 3 (Ont) 11 over Blaze 0
JK (1) 6 over WCats (3--former AA that dropped??) 4
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Can someone call the Saints manager and have them report the score from their game against the Leafs?
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Can someone call the Saints manager and have them report the score from their game against the Leafs?
Seriously. What is the problem?
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Some interesting match ups this coming weekend. 😀 Does anyone want to take a dab at the outcomes?
I got the Jr. Kings vs wave 1 game. Kings by 3.
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There's not much better than a 'rental melt-down. The best, I think last season, was a cat-fight between two women at Pickwick.
I miss all the good stuff. :-(
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There's not much better than a 'rental melt-down. The best, I think last season, was a cat-fight between two women at Pickwick.
I miss all the good stuff. :-(
I ever see that, I'll have to "make it rain !"
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OC 1 vs Heat. OC 1 by 3
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OC 1 vs Heat. OC 1 by 3
OC 1 over Heat 4-1. Skates you nailed the point spread. Heat was a decent team.
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I bet I am right about the wave 1 vs Jr king game too! We shall wait and see. 😉
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OC 1 over Heat 4-1. Skates you nailed the point spread. Heat was a decent team.
I hear OC1 (Silver) is supposedly the best of the 3 OCHC PWA teams and one of the top dogs in the division. I know Heat can play, so was the game lopsided or pretty even mostly?
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OC 1 is not the best OC team and not the top dogs. People keep track of stats. OC tied wave 1 and lost to OC 3 during Labor Day tournament and both those teams are not very strong. Wave 1 beat the Heat and I bet wave 1 lost today against the Jr. Kings. Waiting for the score to be posted for that game, but I bet I am right. Top team is still up for grabs, but I can tell you it won't be Wave 1 or OC 1.
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Ha, ha .... you have an uncanny talent.
Kings win by 3 over Wave 1
Kings 4 - Wave 1
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Ha ha!! I knew it! I wish we could bet on youth hockey in Vegas. Lol!
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I'd give you a suitcase of money to take with you!
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Kind of funny that both games I predicted were 4 to 1 games! Hmm I should of laid out all my prefictions for the weekend, but those 2 games I knew I would be right. 😀
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4-2 Junior Ducks 1 over Bears. Very competitive game.
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OC 1 over Heat 4-1. Skates you nailed the point spread. Heat was a decent team.
I hear OC1 (Silver) is supposedly the best of the 3 OCHC PWA teams and one of the top dogs in the division. I know Heat can play, so was the game lopsided or pretty even mostly?
The score probably reflects where the two teams are at this point. 2-0 in period 1, 0-0 in period 2 (a very close and competitive period), and 2-1 in period 3. OC got scoring from where they need to in order to compete but failed to convert on several power plays. OC defense is in process of becoming good but gave up some breakaways and saved the day through great hustle. Unlike "Skates", I would not pay much attention to Labor Day tournament scores or even pre-season games. The teams that will dominate PWA will be those that evolve through good coaching and player development. All the OC teams have a shot and the Heat are not far behind each of them -- now.
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IMHO, Top Dogs right now are Ducks 2 and Ducks 1, which makes this weekend quite interesting.
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OC 1 over Heat 4-1. Skates you nailed the point spread. Heat was a decent team.
I hear OC1 (Silver) is supposedly the best of the 3 OCHC PWA teams and one of the top dogs in the division. I know Heat can play, so was the game lopsided or pretty even mostly?
The score probably reflects where the two teams are at this point. 2-0 in period 1, 0-0 in period 2 (a very close and competitive period), and 2-1 in period 3. OC got scoring from where they need to in order to compete but failed to convert on several power plays. OC defense is in process of becoming good but gave up some breakaways and saved the day through great hustle. Unlike "Skates", I would not pay much attention to Labor Day tournament scores or even pre-season games. The teams that will dominate PWA will be those that evolve through good coaching and player development. All the OC teams have a shot and the Heat are not far behind each of them -- now.
Just curious, but if not paying attention to LD tourney and pre-season, like Skates, how do you rate Heat being up there with the OC teams? They did well in pre-season (but against I think 3 teams that are now B) and so-so in LD, and lost both reg. season games.
For that matter, however, not sure how Skates predicts these so well if one does consider LD and pre-season!!
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OC 1 over Heat 4-1. Skates you nailed the point spread. Heat was a decent team.
I hear OC1 (Silver) is supposedly the best of the 3 OCHC PWA teams and one of the top dogs in the division. I know Heat can play, so was the game lopsided or pretty even mostly?
The score probably reflects where the two teams are at this point. 2-0 in period 1, 0-0 in period 2 (a very close and competitive period), and 2-1 in period 3. OC got scoring from where they need to in order to compete but failed to convert on several power plays. OC defense is in process of becoming good but gave up some breakaways and saved the day through great hustle. Unlike "Skates", I would not pay much attention to Labor Day tournament scores or even pre-season games. The teams that will dominate PWA will be those that evolve through good coaching and player development. All the OC teams have a shot and the Heat are not far behind each of them -- now.
Just curious, but if not paying attention to LD tourney and pre-season, like Skates, how do you rate Heat being up there with the OC teams? They did well in pre-season (but against I think 3 teams that are now B) and so-so in LD, and lost both reg. season games.
For that matter, however, not sure how Skates predicts these so well if one does consider LD and pre-season!!
Good point. Perhaps I was being overly polite to a Heat team that played hard even if out-gunned enough to lose by 3. Want to say my, "Eye test" but perhaps it is a "blind eye."
If OC1 had played as poorly as they did in their last preseason game, the outcome could have been different. The teams have some random variation in their performance which makes forecasting outcomes difficult. Judging from one of the OC1 players that I know and love, he can vary widely in his play. He is just 11 so it is part of the development process. As Deming might observe applying his ideas to athletic performance, variation is negative. It is also unavoidable for most of them. It may also be part of the process of development. Part of what separates a AAA from an A might be that the triple A's are more consistent.
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perfectly explained
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OC 1 over Heat 4-1. Skates you nailed the point spread. Heat was a decent team.
I hear OC1 (Silver) is supposedly the best of the 3 OCHC PWA teams and one of the top dogs in the division. I know Heat can play, so was the game lopsided or pretty even mostly?
The score probably reflects where the two teams are at this point. 2-0 in period 1, 0-0 in period 2 (a very close and competitive period), and 2-1 in period 3. OC got scoring from where they need to in order to compete but failed to convert on several power plays. OC defense is in process of becoming good but gave up some breakaways and saved the day through great hustle. Unlike "Skates", I would not pay much attention to Labor Day tournament scores or even pre-season games. The teams that will dominate PWA will be those that evolve through good coaching and player development. All the OC teams have a shot and the Heat are not far behind each of them -- now.
Just curious, but if not paying attention to LD tourney and pre-season, like Skates, how do you rate Heat being up there with the OC teams? They did well in pre-season (but against I think 3 teams that are now B) and so-so in LD, and lost both reg. season games.
For that matter, however, not sure how Skates predicts these so well if one does consider LD and pre-season!!
Good point. Perhaps I was being overly polite to a Heat team that played hard even if out-gunned enough to lose by 3. Want to say my, "Eye test" but perhaps it is a "blind eye."
If OC1 had played as poorly as they did in their last preseason game, the outcome could have been different. The teams have some random variation in their performance which makes forecasting outcomes difficult. Judging from one of the OC1 players that I know and love, he can vary widely in his play. He is just 11 so it is part of the development process. As Deming might observe applying his ideas to athletic performance, variation is negative. It is also unavoidable for most of them. It may also be part of the process of development. Part of what separates a AAA from an A might be that the triple A's are more consistent.
Consistency is what separates NHL players! Allstars are the most consistent, where lesser professional players are not as consistent. I've always believed that the top youth teams are simply more consistent in their quality play.
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Skates ........ whatsay you about this weekend's match ups?!!
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Okay, I will try and take a guess at a few for this weekend. I have been really busy this week and not a whole lot of time to look at my numbers.
OC 1 vs Eagles OC 1 by 4
Jr ducks 1 vs Jr ducks 2. Jr ducks 1 by 2.
OC 3 vs Wave 3 hmmm this one is hard. Wave 3 has not played very many strong teams. And OC 3 forwards get over powered easily by bigger teams. This one I am m going to take a big gamble. Wave 3 by 2.
Jr Kings 1 vs Condors. Jr Kings 1 by 4.
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Looking forward to the score updates? Looks like some good hockey should be played today!
Bears over OCHC2 6-4 in a very good competitive game!
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OCHC3 over Wave 3, score 4 to 2. Not as close as the score.
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OC1 and Eagles tied 6-6
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Wow! My predictions were way off this past weekend. That's what happens when you rush looking at stats. I will need to carefully analyze for next week.
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Wow! My predictions were way off this past weekend. That's what happens when you rush looking at stats. I will need to carefully analyze for next week.
We'll give you a pass for last week! LOL!
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Wow! My predictions were way off this past weekend. That's what happens when you rush looking at stats. I will need to carefully analyze for next week.
You surprised me with that Wave3 Pick.. win By 2? That's a big differential considering the preseason game was won by OC 6 to 2.. That would have been 6 point turnaround.. Teams change during the season but 6 points difference is a lot.
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Skates is still brilliant in my book, and he did have that disclaimer that he didn't have as much time on his hands to look this over! Also, he called it and JK 1 beat Condors, but 5-3 (although looking at box-score it was a 4 goal lead at one point as he predicted!)
Hope he can help us out for this weekend's fun and games.
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What teams are going to what tourneys for Thanksgiving? OC 3 is playing at the Rinks tournament...
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I believe
Heat; one of the OCHC; Maple Leafs; JK 1 and 2; Bay Harbor (BB playing A) are at Toyota Sports Center
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I believe
Heat; one of the OCHC; Maple Leafs; JK 1 and 2; Bay Harbor (BB playing A) are at Toyota Sports Center
Looks like Rinks has: OCHC, Duck2, Bears, Saints, Wave, Nevada Storm, Vac Jets, Eagles
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My picks for this weekend:
Heat vs ducks 2 - ducks 2 by 3
Jr. Condor vs. Eagles - will be a close game.
Jr. Ducks 1 vs. Jr Kings 2 - Jr ducks by at least 6
Wildcats 3 vs Wave Ontario 3 - will be a close game. Wave 3 by 2.
OCHC 2 vs. blaze- OC 2 at least by 5
Wave Art 1 vs. Gulls Wave 1 by 5
Saints vs. Bears Bears by 4
OCHC vs. Maple Leaves Maple Leaves by 2.
Wave Art 2 vs Kings 1- Kings 1 by at least 6
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OC beat Blaze 8-1
Wave beat Gulls 8-2
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So far Skates is calling it ....... yet again!!
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My picks for this weekend:
Heat vs ducks 2 - ducks 2 by 3
Jr. Condor vs. Eagles - will be a close game.
Jr. Ducks 1 vs. Jr Kings 2 - Jr ducks by at least 6
Wildcats 3 vs Wave Ontario 3 - will be a close game. Wave 3 by 2.
OCHC 2 vs. blaze- OC 2 at least by 5
Wave Art 1 vs. Gulls Wave 1 by 5
Saints vs. Bears Bears by 4
OCHC vs. Maple Leaves Maple Leaves by 2.
Wave Art 2 vs Kings 1- Kings 1 by at least 6
I don't know if this weekend was just a case of kids being kids, it's closer than everyone thought or teams simply closing the gap... but games were much closer than expected.
Heat tying Ducks2 and had a legit opportunity to win it? Saints seem to be getting stronger? Ducks1 vs Kings2? As was mentioned before, any given Sunday I guess. Skates..... your job just got harder my friend!! Lol!
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Gotta give the Wildcats some love (mostly cause they never get any) but they spanked in their game against a solid team. And they gave Ducks 2 a two point game. Not rollovers this season.
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Postage, what was the deal in the WC - Wave game? Over 20 penalties between the two teams... And does anyone know the result of OC1 - Maple Leafs?
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Postage, what was the deal in the WC - Wave game? Over 20 penalties between the two teams... And does anyone know the result of OC1 - Maple Leafs?
I heard the OC1/Leafs game was a tie.
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Postage, what was the deal in the WC - Wave game? Over 20 penalties between the two teams... And does anyone know the result of OC1 - Maple Leafs?
I think the WC coach actually took the higher ground on that one...Most of the minutes came from the Wave side with their coach doing his usual Jim Playfair impression...I'm wondering when SCAHA is just going to get tired of this goat rodeo and send the guy packing...Then his son decides to spear a kid in the throat on a face off, and give the crowd the bird when he gets ejected...Ontario has really fallen far from where they used to be...
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Postage, what was the deal in the WC - Wave game? Over 20 penalties between the two teams... And does anyone know the result of OC1 - Maple Leafs?
I think the WC coach actually took the higher ground on that one...Most of the minutes came from the Wave side with their coach doing his usual Jim Playfair impression...I'm wondering when SCAHA is just going to get tired of this goat rodeo and send the guy packing...Then his son decides to spear a kid in the throat on a face off, and give the crowd the bird when he gets ejected...Ontario has really fallen far from where they used to be...
OC1-ML tied 1-1 in a hard fought game. OC1 finished the last 4 plus minutes with consecutive penalties so little or no chance to pull out a win. It was a fair outcome.
On WC-Wave game, the WC coach is calm and a gentleman so not surprised that he took the higher ground. Winning just isn't that important to him or whoever fills in for him. Maybe that is a good thing sometime.
Spearing an opponent in the throat on a face off is extreme and giving the crowd the bird shows a lack of control. Sportsmanship should be valued.
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Doesn't that result in suspension?
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Humm.. A 12-year old (possibly younger) kid spearing another kid in the throat, gets thrown out and then gives the bird to his elders. Yeah, I promise folks you don't have to worry about my kid doing that because he would get his ass kicked by me. Then again since my kid is raised with class to know what's acceptable and what isn't Im sure we wont have to worry about that to begin with. Well done Wave coach. If this story is true you have zero class and I sure hope my kid doesn't get speared by your spawn.
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Humm.. A 12-year old (possibly younger) kid spearing another kid in the throat, gets thrown out and then gives the bird to his elders. Yeah, I promise folks you don't have to worry about my kid doing that because he would get his ass kicked by me. Then again since my kid is raised with class to know what's acceptable and what isn't Im sure we wont have to worry about that to begin with. Well done Wave coach. If this story is true you have zero class and I sure hope my kid doesn't get speared by your spawn.
Apparently the child was actually the son of the coach, and after he exited the rink told the parents of the kid he speared "I was just doing what my dad told me to do"...If that is the case -- thats a pretty crappy way to coach a team and Im pretty sure the Wave brass an SCAHA should have a few conversations with that coach...
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Absolutely zero respect for your opponent and the game of hockey.
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It would be interesting to hear from Wave parents, there are always 2 sides to every story. Curious know what they think happened.
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So waht's the scouting report on the Vacaville Jets Pee Wee A team? And does any one know which Wave team is playing at the Rinks for Thanksgiving weekend?
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So waht's the scouting report on the Vacaville Jets Pee Wee A team? And does any one know which Wave team is playing at the Rinks for Thanksgiving weekend?
They seem to be a mid pack team up north. I think the Santa Rosa Flyers are tops.
http://www.norcalyouthhockey.com/Sched/VV12A-Team.html (http://www.norcalyouthhockey.com/Sched/VV12A-Team.html)
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Postage, what was the deal in the WC - Wave game? Over 20 penalties between the two teams... And does anyone know the result of OC1 - Maple Leafs?
Sorry for the slow response. Was watching the election. Glad others had the scoop. I was just pulling off Scaha.
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Looks like WC found a home in A, beating OC1 4-1 today. In looking at scoresheet, regarding O Wave v WC, looks like they gave the coach's kid a cross check penalty and not spearing, so maybe coach was ok ordering that. Kid got suspended a game. Should've been more and, same as Sta26 said, my kid would suffer more from me if he ever thought of spearing and giving elders the bird. Saw that coach lose his mind and get ejected during a game earlier this year. Leading by example, with his kid getting 17 PIM and another kid getting 18 PIM in game vs WC. Sportsmanship, pass it on. So what's the line this week?
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I will give it a try today for a few predictions. Been so busy no time to really look at stats. Congrats to the wild cats for yesterday's win.
OC 3 vs. Gulls- OC 3 by 2
OC 2 vs. Kings 2 - OC 2 by 5
Bears vs. Eagles. Bears by 4
Ducks 2 vs Wave 1 - hmmm this is hard... ducks 2 have not been very dominant lately. Ducks 2 by 3.
Wave 3 vs. condors - wave 3 by 2.
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I will give it a try today for a few predictions. Been so busy no time to really look at stats. Congrats to the wild cats for yesterday's win.
It was a close game, 1-0 OC1 period one, 0-0 in 2nd period, and then WC earned 2 quick goals in mid 3rd period and scored the final goal on an empty net off. The differences might be traced to fact that WC practices 3 times per week heritage of their flirtation with PWAA, mostly high energy according to a WC parent/friend, while OC1 practices twice per week with lower energy practices, lots of standing around. Touches on the puck per month and season may be the best predictor of which teams and players improve and which do not. WC defense was better, they passed more and better, and they finished.
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Haha! Hockey sophist must be a wild cat parent. There is nothing intense about a wild cat practice. And most of the OC teams from my understanding practice 3 times a week. Parents pay for an extra practice. By the way the a couple of wild cats defenseman came from the OC. They played OC last year. So I wouldn't give credit to WC just yet....
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Crash, not a WC parent. WC practices last year were expensive 3v3, though. Was told this year they are better. While this easy to run, there is some benefit of 3v3 and better than lots of standing. OC1 scoring last two weeks has been anemic. Other than skating at outset of OC1 practices, too few touches on puck and too soft.
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OC 3 must of lost today since 6607 has not reported the score yet.
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Anyone know why the Kings/Wave2 game on 11/6 was marked "forfeit"? Looks like they actually played.
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Anyone know why the Kings/Wave2 game on 11/6 was marked "forfeit"? Looks like they actually played.
I see a coach suspension for playing an ineligible player. Maybe that's it?
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The word is, that the player was given multiple game suspension and a match during game vs. Bears preseason. He served those suspensions, but did not go to hearing. His first game back was vs. Wave2, but because he did not go to hearing scaha called it a forfeit. Word is that the club gave him the go ahead to play. Heard they are trying to fight it.
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Sorry Skates for not reporting -- it has been a long day and life happens. OC3 and Gulls tied 1 to 1 in Escondido. How are your team (s) doing? Squirt A is interesting this year, don't really follow Bantam too closely. Hope you and everyone had a good hockey weekend.
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The word is, that the player was given multiple game suspension and a match during game vs. Bears preseason. He served those suspensions, but did not go to hearing. His first game back was vs. Wave2, but because he did not go to hearing scaha called it a forfeit. Word is that the club gave him the go ahead to play. Heard they are trying to fight it.
Gotcha! I knew of his suspension but thought they would just serve it and business as usual? Just attend the hearing so the kid can start playing!
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Heard Kings-Wave 2 forfeit has been squared away and the game will stand -- it was a 10 goal win for the Kings, by looking at the box score. Seems SCAHA got it wrong and the suspension had been served. Probably not updated yet.
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Great game Wave ( fortune) vs ducks ( runtso ) . Ducks goalie is a great little player. Wave battled hard but fell short to some "Quick" like saves. Good job boys, good to see some healthy honest competition . Good luck to both teams...
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Looks like another good weekend of games coming up.
Wilcats3 vs PML - Cats look like they have been getting better every week.
Heat vs Eagles - Which Heat team will show up? The one that tied Ducks2 or squeaked by Wave2? Can't seem to figure that team out.
Jr Condors vs OCHC1 - OCHC1 Tied PML, but I don't know much about this team. Should be a good competitive game.
Gulls vs Jr Ducks1 - Will be a test to see if the Gulls are getting better.
Ducks2 vs Wave Ont3 - Can the Wave Ont3 bounce back against top team?
Bears vs Kings1 - Should be a great game to watch! Kings would be top 4 if you don't factor in the forfeit.
Kings2 vs OCHC3 - Will the Kings be able to keep it close? (within 3)
OCHC2 vs Saints - the Saints don't look as bad as their record, but OCHC2 only has 1 loss!
Lady Ducks vs Wave1 - Can the wave build on their close game against Ducks2 last week?
I'm going to leave the pics to SKATES! This is just what i'll be looking out for. Good luck everyone!
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Yes, waiting on Skates too!
That Kings forfeit still hasn't been adjusted on SCAHA it appears, so interesting to see where that puts them when it's taken care of, given the high # of goals in that game. I heard the loss Sunday against PML was a 1 goal game until Kings pulled their goalie and an empty netter was scored -- plus Kings had something like four players out. Ducks/Wave 3 will be great. I agree on the Heat -- they are all over the map.
Sort it out will ya, Skates?!
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Yes, waiting on Skates too!
That Kings forfeit still hasn't been adjusted on SCAHA it appears, so interesting to see where that puts them when it's taken care of, given the high # of goals in that game. I heard the loss Sunday against PML was a 1 goal game until Kings pulled their goalie and an empty netter was scored -- plus Kings had something like four players out. Ducks/Wave 3 will be great. I agree on the Heat -- they are all over the map.
Sort it out will ya, Skates?!
I believe it would put them #2 so far in the standings. How are 4 kids missing a game? The Kings1 are a hard team to figure out also.... I'm learning goal differential is a bad recipe to use when judging this years teams! LOL!
Kings1 beat Condors by 2 while the Eagles beat the same team by 7?? A win is a win.. GF means nadda! ::) ::) ::) :o :o
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Sorry this was late. I was out of town for work. You are right teams are closing the gaps. PeeWee A is getting hard to predict but I do think after the top 6 teams the stats take a dive.
Wildcats vs ML ML by 2
Eagles vs heat Eagles by 1
OC 1 vs condors OC by 3
Gulls vs ducks 1 ducks by 2
Ducks 2 vs wave 3 ducks 2 by 4
Kings 1 vs bears game of the week. Kings 1 by 1
Kings 2 vs OC 3 OC by 6
OC 2 vs saints OC by 4
Wave 1 vs lady ducks wave better win this game. 😀
I agree with mo-icetime summary. Good luck everyone!
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Mo-ice you were right wildcats are getting better. They beat the maple leaves And looks like the other teams are catching up to ducks 2.
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The Kings and Bears game looked every bit a battle between 2 top 4 (Forfeit removed) teams! Bears won 2-1.
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OC (3) 5 - Kings (2) 1.
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I am surprised I thought OC 3 would of beat the Jr kings 2 by a bigger margin.
I think that the top 4 teams will stay on top for awhile now. After they update the score for the OC 2 team game this past weekend OC 2 will actually have the best goal differential. 29 goals for and 7 against. Their defense is solid this season.
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I am surprised I thought OC 3 would of beat the Jr kings 2 by a bigger margin.
I think that the top 4 teams will stay on top for awhile now. After they update the score for the OC 2 team game this past weekend OC 2 will actually have the best goal differential. 29 goals for and 7 against. Their defense is solid this season.
Skates, don't forget GD means nadda :o :o ;D ;D [size=78%].. [/size][/size]Especially when most of those games they ran the score up on were not top 8 teams. [size=78%]
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Very True MO-ICETIME. So far this PW season has been unpredictable. Can you tell just based off the tournament below?
How is everyone's turkey tournament going? So far I saw that OC1 beat the Kings1 4 to 1 and OC 3 tied the saints 3 to 3. ? And Ducks 2 won 8 to 0 against Jets. How about the Wave 1 beat ducks 1? What happened at that game?? My stats would of never predicted that game.
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This a.m. at Yorba Linda: OC3 beat Wave 3, 3 to 2. Saints beat Bears, 4 to 3. Heard the Bears are playing without a pretty good player and that the Saints have bolstered their roster for the tourney. Saints got the game winner with about 15 seconds left. Saints also tied yesterday's game against OC with under a minute to go. Pick your metaphor, but the Saints play until the final horn. All of the games in this division of PW A at the rinks have been close hard fought games...
And in Escondido, looks like Ducks 1 and Gulls tied...
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At Toyota Center and other rinks, the OC1 made the final against the Heat. Maybe an OC parent or a JK2 parent can comment on what happened immediately following their game. I heard an OC parent tried to climb over the short side of the glass at KHS rink 2 to speak with or have an up close and personal conversation with a ref. Another OC parent pulled him off the boards and then sucker punched him. He hit him with his ring finger hand in the head and blood was everywhere. The OC beat the Kings 2, 3-0.
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At Toyota Center and other rinks, the OC1 made the final against the Heat.
OC2 at Toyota tourney. OC1 is in SD.
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At Toyota Center and other rinks, the OC1 made the final against the Heat. Maybe an OC parent or a JK2 parent can comment on what happened immediately following their game. I heard an OC parent tried to climb over the short side of the glass at KHS rink 2 to speak with or have an up close and personal conversation with a ref. Another OC parent pulled him off the boards and then sucker punched him. He hit him with his ring finger hand in the head and blood was everywhere. The OC beat the Kings 2, 3-0.
If TRUE..........Just the latest affirmation why it pays to be selective who you hang out with in this crazy sport .... I would normally say Unbelievable but this is actually very believable.. Lord have mercy... all over 12 year old hockey at the "A" level. I get there's some reffs that are Horrid (One female in particular and we all know who I'm talking about) but man.!! A punch to the head of your own teams dad?
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At Toyota Center and other rinks, the OC1 made the final against the Heat. Maybe an OC parent or a JK2 parent can comment on what happened immediately following their game. I heard an OC parent tried to climb over the short side of the glass at KHS rink 2 to speak with or have an up close and personal conversation with a ref. Another OC parent pulled him off the boards and then sucker punched him. He hit him with his ring finger hand in the head and blood was everywhere. The OC beat the Kings 2, 3-0.
If TRUE..........Just the latest affirmation why it pays to be selective who you hang out with in this crazy sport .... I would normally say Unbelievable but this is actually very believable.. Lord have mercy... all over 12 year old hockey at the "A" level. I get there's some reffs that are Horrid (One female in particular and we all know who I'm talking about) but man.!! A punch to the head of your own teams dad?
Haha! S26 who would that ref be in wonder??
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At Toyota Center and other rinks, the OC1 made the final against the Heat. Maybe an OC parent or a JK2 parent can comment on what happened immediately following their game. I heard an OC parent tried to climb over the short side of the glass at KHS rink 2 to speak with or have an up close and personal conversation with a ref. Another OC parent pulled him off the boards and then sucker punched him. He hit him with his ring finger hand in the head and blood was everywhere. The OC beat the Kings 2, 3-0.
If TRUE..........Just the latest affirmation why it pays to be selective who you hang out with in this crazy sport .... I would normally say Unbelievable but this is actually very believable.. Lord have mercy... all over 12 year old hockey at the "A" level. I get there's some reffs that are Horrid (One female in particular and we all know who I'm talking about) but man.!! A punch to the head of your own teams dad?
OC1 pwa played in San Diego. There are 3 OC pwa teams. Get the correct identity please. OC1 played a sensational game against SDIA ending in a 0-0 tie. Great goal keeping for both teams.
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I was not there but it is my understanding that all of the negative and hostile activity was the result of the same individual including the sucker punch to an OC2 player's relative who then tried to defend himself. All other OC parents involved had been trying to remove this individual from the rink before thing escalated even more.
Be assured that this individual's behavior does reflect how the OC2 parents as a group behave and how they support the team.
That being said, OC2 played a great tournament with 5 wins (4 of which were shutouts) and only allowing 1 goal vs. Kings.
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Any word if OC will report this individual to SCAHA? Parents who have done way less that that have been barred from the rink and put on the website suspension list.
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Sounds like he needs to be. Apparently he is a problem child who has difficulty controlling himself. I get the feeling the OC staff is tiring of this individual quickly and he has worn out his welcome. Back to Riverside! If that's even an option.
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I can't decide what shocks me more... that some idiot parent does this when the team is winning or that there hasn't been more bashing comments on this incident resulting in the person being outed. Parents behaving badly is comedy gold on this site! These kids are 10-12! What the hell is going through your head to do this??
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Sounds like he needs to be. Apparently he is a problem child who has difficulty controlling himself. I get the feeling the OC staff is tiring of this individual quickly and he has worn out his welcome. Back to Riverside! If that's even an option.
They should flat out be tired now. This doesn't seem to be new, but a trend if it's the parent I'm thinking of! What are they waiting for???
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They can suspend the parent from all games and practices, if he's not OK with that, then they can cut the kid by 12/1 and he can resign with another A team by 12/31. Eight months is a long time to deal with problem parents, sounds like he's worn out his welcome! It just sucks for the kid. Kid would probably be happy if his Dad couldn't come to his games, if he goes to another club, Dad will embarrass his son there as well :(
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If I'm not mistaken....If he is cut and signs with a new club he would not be eligible for post season play with his new team due to the lack of games played with that club. If that is correct that will go over well with Daddy.
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I would have thought that the referee would have ejected this spectator, which would have been a match penalty requiring a SCAHA hearing and take it out of the club's hands. Regarding the kid's playoff eligibility, don't tournament games count?
Looking over the tournament weekend, it looks like the gaps between teams are closing. Saw/heard of a lot of tight games and split decisions. The games that I saw just reinforced that the difference between the top and bottom teams this year can be one or two players. Look what two PWAA players did for the Saints. Saw the Bears play a mediocre game against the Saints, which they lost in the last 15 seconds of the game. Saw them also turn in the best PW A game I have seen this year later that night against OC3. Thought sure that they would have beaten the Eagles, but the Eagles seem to be a much improved team.
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He needs to be rostered with another team by 12/31 and play 10 games (reg season, scrimmage, tournament) to be playoff eligible. But what team will want that Dad around?
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I would have thought that the referee would have ejected this spectator, which would have been a match penalty requiring a SCAHA hearing and take it out of the club's hands. Regarding the kid's playoff eligibility, don't tournament games count?
Looking over the tournament weekend, it looks like the gaps between teams are closing. Saw/heard of a lot of tight games and split decisions. The games that I saw just reinforced that the difference between the top and bottom teams this year can be one or two players. Look what two PWAA players did for the Saints. Saw the Bears play a mediocre game against the Saints, which they lost in the last 15 seconds of the game. Saw them also turn in the best PW A game I have seen this year later that night against OC3. Thought sure that they would have beaten the Eagles, but the Eagles seem to be a much improved team.
I have to agree with all of your points. I've seen parents receive a match for way less!
this tournament weekend featured alot of revenge matches and seems the teams didn't take the teams they beat too serious this go around. I'm going to hold my opinion until after this next week of games; but watching closely I will do! <My best Yoda voice>
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In talking with an OC parent from the team, said that the irate parent sucker punched the other OC parent who was coming over to help separate him from the referee. The irate guy then took off from the rink before the police could be called and he left his kid behind at the rink. Just like a thug, Great parenting.......... hope that SCAHA and the OC club take appropiate action and ban this clown for years to come........... Other clubs take note and beware of this family...............hes been trouble before at IceTown..........
Sucks for the boys at OC2 who looked to have had a good tournament, and now the attention is on this topic instead..............
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I would have thought that the referee would have ejected this spectator, which would have been a match penalty requiring a SCAHA hearing and take it out of the club's hands. Regarding the kid's playoff eligibility, don't tournament games count?
Looking over the tournament weekend, it looks like the gaps between teams are closing. Saw/heard of a lot of tight games and split decisions. The games that I saw just reinforced that the difference between the top and bottom teams this year can be one or two players. Look what two PWAA players did for the Saints. Saw the Bears play a mediocre game against the Saints, which they lost in the last 15 seconds of the game. Saw them also turn in the best PW A game I have seen this year later that night against OC3. Thought sure that they would have beaten the Eagles, but the Eagles seem to be a much improved team.
How can two AA players on the Saints play down for the tournament? It is my understanding that you can always play up but not down.
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I don't know how it was that the AA players were allowed to be on the Saints roster. I do know that the tournament acceptance letter was pretty clear that rostering such players was not allowed. Perhaps the tournament made an exception for them so that the team could make? Perhaps the coach or manager didn't realize it was not allowed? Perhaps it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission...
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Or maybe some teams are trying to make excuses as to why they had problems with a team who is 1 and 5??????????? Come on now!!!!! That rule is a standard rule and would need a release letter from the team I would assume...............
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I would have thought that the referee would have ejected this spectator, which would have been a match penalty requiring a SCAHA hearing and take it out of the club's hands. Regarding the kid's playoff eligibility, don't tournament games count?
Looking over the tournament weekend, it looks like the gaps between teams are closing. Saw/heard of a lot of tight games and split decisions. The games that I saw just reinforced that the difference between the top and bottom teams this year can be one or two players. Look what two PWAA players did for the Saints. Saw the Bears play a mediocre game against the Saints, which they lost in the last 15 seconds of the game. Saw them also turn in the best PW A game I have seen this year later that night against OC3. Thought sure that they would have beaten the Eagles, but the Eagles seem to be a much improved team.
How can two AA players on the Saints play down for the tournament? It is my understanding that you can always play up but not down.
Wondering the exact same thing. Same thing happened in Bantam B division of Tinseltown tournament. The team that brought the higher-level players won every game until the final which they lost 0-4 according to the website. Either the website was wrong or the tournament organizers made them play the last game without the extra bodies is my guess. Very easy to verify, players were on the SCAHA A roster.
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Or maybe some teams are trying to make excuses as to why they had problems with a team who is 1 and 5? ??? ??? ??? ? Come on now!!!!! That rule is a standard rule and would need a release letter from the team I would assume...............
Saints roster 14 skaters for SCAHA. They rostered 10 skaters for the tournament and 2 of those are not on the SCAHA roster. If the Saints only brought their top 8 skaters and rounded out their roster with 2 AA kids, they would be a much better team. They had 2 lines consisting of top players and they would be on the ice at all times. I have seen both the Saint's SCAHA and tournament teams and they most definitely had better tournament team. However, I do not believe they affected the outcome as they lost in the semi finals to the tournament favorite and winner.
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I don't know how it was that the AA players were allowed to be on the Saints roster. I do know that the tournament acceptance letter was pretty clear that rostering such players was not allowed. Perhaps the tournament made an exception for them so that the team could make? Perhaps the coach or manager didn't realize it was not allowed? Perhaps it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission...
It's all about playing different teams over the holidays and Kingofthe951, I didn't hear parents nor coaches complaining. It is what it is.. and I think when 6607 and I spoke <wink> I think it was you, it was more about what was the actual rule? But hey, I get it that if Saints need a few players to field a team and the AA's were just sitting around get the team going. On to the SCAHA season....
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Kind of quiet for the week after a tournament. Let's stir the pot up a bit if we can.
1. Heard third-hand that OC1 has added a d-man this week. Any word out of Lake Forest on whether he or she is an impact player for them?
2. Skates was quick to find OC 3's 5 to 1 win over Kings 2 a couple weeks back disappointing, but no comment on OC2 only winning 3-0 over Kings 2 at the tournament. I don't really buy into GD, but Skates' numbers seems to place a high value on it. Congrats, btw, to OC2 for dominaiting the Kings tournament.
3. Maybe someone from the Runtso team would like to comment on their semi final game. Almost an upset there, but Runtso's team is clearly the team to beat so far.
4. Anyone who attended Escondido want to comment upon prevailing opinion on SDIA playing down? Were the games SDIA played close, apart from the OC1 tie?
5. With regard to the Saints adding two AA players for the tournament, I have no sour grapes against the kids. They all played hard from the puck drop to the final buzzer and their tenacity got them two extra points that got them into the semis. Rather than argue about ethics, was curious whether people think that the four games with the AA players will have helped them, hurt them, or have no affect on them? I use to think that "guest" players would be beneficial, but now lean in the other direction. Would rather that the team get four more games playing as a team, than relying on other kids to provide the structure on the ice.
6. Both the Eagles and Kings 1 look to have greatly improved since September. Anyone want to comment?
7. Looking early at next season, any word on whether CAHA has revisited CAHA weekends/AA scheduling?
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I was impressed when my son's team played the Saints. Even though down the whole game, the Saints never gave up and pushed hard right up to the end. That is a very admirable trait.
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Kind of quiet for the week after a tournament. Let's stir the pot up a bit if we can.
4. Anyone who attended Escondido want to comment upon prevailing opinion on SDIA playing down? Were the games SDIA played close, apart from the OC1 tie?
Taking a AA team and staying home to play a A tournament seems like something the WC would do.
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Kind of quiet for the week after a tournament. Let's stir the pot up a bit if we can.
2. Skates was quick to find OC 3's 5 to 1 win over Kings 2 a couple weeks back disappointing, but no comment on OC2 only winning 3-0 over Kings 2 at the tournament. I don't really buy into GD, but Skates' numbers seems to place a high value on it. Congrats, btw, to OC2 for dominaiting the Kings tournament.
3. Maybe someone from the Runtso team would like to comment on their semi final game. Almost an upset there, but Runtso's team is clearly the team to beat so far.
5. With regard to the Saints adding two AA players for the tournament, I have no sour grapes against the kids. They all played hard from the puck drop to the final buzzer and their tenacity got them two extra points that got them into the semis. Rather than argue about ethics, was curious whether people think that the four games with the AA players will have helped them, hurt them, or have no affect on them? I use to think that "guest" players would be beneficial, but now lean in the other direction. Would rather that the team get four more games playing as a team, than relying on other kids to provide the structure on the ice.
6. Both the Eagles and Kings 1 look to have greatly improved since September. Anyone want to comment?
I think Kings2 had two AA players on the squad ;D .............. last two games between JK2 and OC2 teams has been 10-0, 18-0 if you add the pre season game.............. I wouldnt read too much into that 3-0 score..... As far as Kings1 improving, they went 1-4 in Thanksgiving and only managed to beat JK2 1-0 with a -7 goals . How is that improvement :o ??? ?? I see A lot of favoritism to the JK club...........oh well.... it will be disappointing for them in the end........... Credit to the Eagles they do look like they are improving.........
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I have not seen Kings 1 play yet, but they had a pretty strong run from the end of the preseason until a couple weeks ago, which out performed what I thought they would do. Some people on this board who have played them see them as a Top 4 team. So yes, I think it is fair to say that they have improved.
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I have not seen Kings 1 play yet, but they had a pretty strong run from the end of the preseason until a couple weeks ago, which out performed what I thought they would do. Some people on this board who have played them see them as a Top 4 team. So yes, I think it is fair to say that they have improved.
I have seen them play and I have heard that they have been playing Preseason and most of the early regular season without a complete roster. Maybe some Kings fans can confirm; but that would attribute to them getting stronger. Now factoring in the Thanksgiving showing... I just am at a loss for words on what happened there! Also before they played the Bears, they were a top 4 team in the standings.
I'm not going to factor Thanksgiving into things too much! Teams got what they got from it, so i'll be looking to see how that translates this coming weekend.
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Here is what I'll be looking for this weekend:
Bears vs Wildcats(3):
Will the Wildcats continue to show their week over week improvement? Should be a great game!
Blaze vs Condors:
I just realized that the Blaze are tied for the 8th spot but after the Condors, their schedule looks pretty brutal. The Condors have been in every game with the exception of playing on the "Pond" against the Eagles (that's should be a different topic to post). Could be a big W for the Condors.
Kings(1) vs Kings(2):
Will the real Kings please step forward? I'll be looking to see how the Kings1 look and if they are back on track.
Lady Ducks vs OCHC1:
Do the Lady Ducks field the same team each week? I know a few of them play on AA teams so maybe they don't make every game? This would make their games hard to judge.
Gulls vs Leafs:
This should be a great match up. Are the Gulls improving? After this game we should know more about them.
Ducks2 vs Wave2:
How close can the Wav2 keep it?
Wave1 vs Saints:
The Saints are a scrappy quick little team. I haven't seen Wave1 play, but they seem to be on a roll right now. Can the Wave1 keep it going?
Ducks1 vs OCHC3:
Another good game to watch. OCHC3 is a team you can't skip over! the Ducks1 will have to come to play.
Heat vs OCHC2:
Here we are again asking the same thing with the Heat... This is a good match up of mainly 04's... So can the Heat keep the momentum going? They already tied a top 4 team....
A Lot of games that could have that "Any given Sunday" feel to it! Good luck everyone!
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Okay here it goes.....
Bears vs. wildcats. Bears by 2 if they have all their players
Blaze vs Jr Condors - Jr Condors by 3
Kings 1 vs kings 2 - kings 1 by 5
Lady ducks vs OC 1 - lady ducks by 2 if they have all their players
Gulls vs leafs - leaves by 3
Ducks 2 vs wave 2 - Ducks 2 by 6
Wave 1 vs saints - wave 1 by 3 - wave 1 looked like they did good in the Thanksgiving tournament but according to their tournament roster they added a player or two.
Ducks 1 vs OC 3 - ducks 1 by 2 - will OC be able to hang on? Probably not.
Heat vs OC2 - OC by 4
Good luck to everyone!
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Damn Skates! You called it!
Bears over Wildcats(3) 5-3! The Refs swallowed their whistles in this one!
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Haha! Wow I did get that right! I guess we will have to see if I got any more right after scores are posted.
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OC3 and Ducks 1 skated to a 3-3 tie.
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OC2 beat the Heat 6-1
Wave 1 beat the Saints 10-2
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Lady Ducks beat OC (1) 3-2.
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I see posted:
Kings 1 over Kings 2: 7-3
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Saints PWBB team has ice this saturday for a scrimmage. Anybody interested? Ice is at Carlsbad.
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Wow! I predicted almost all the teams that would win last weekend with the exception of OC 3. Surprisingly they were able to hang on for a tie. My point spreads were pretty close too with the exception of the wave 1 vs Saints. Guess I should of gave Wave 1 a little more credit. After all they played the saints which most teams have won by big point spreads. Looks like we still have the same 4 top teams. Good luck to everyone this coming weekend!
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Saints PWBB team has ice this saturday for a scrimmage. Anybody interested? Ice is at Carlsbad.
Nobody is down for a scrimmage eh? Try the Coyotes from OC they're a tournament team I believe always looking for games.
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Wow! I predicted almost all the teams that would win last weekend with the exception of OC 3. Surprisingly they were able to hang on for a tie. My point spreads were pretty close too with the exception of the wave 1 vs Saints. Guess I should of gave Wave 1 a little more credit. After all they played the saints which most teams have won by big point spreads. Looks like we still have the same 4 top teams. Good luck to everyone this coming weekend!
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That's why I said they should't overlook OCHC3. With point spreads, I think anything over 5 you should just have as 5+ LOL! Sometimes kids battle to keep it at 4-5 and other times they just loose the fight and give up some easy ones at the end.
Looking forward to seeing your picks this week!
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Any news on the OCHC2 parent? Did he receive a 30 day or more? Sorry If I missed it!
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Good question..
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My picks for the weekend:
Wave 1 vs kings 2: Wave 1 by 6
Bears Vs. OC 1: Bears by 4
Gulls vs. saints: Gulls by 2. (Should be a good game for both teams)
Jr Condors vs. Wave 2: Jr. Condors by 4
Wave 3 vs Lady Ducks: Lady Ducks by 1
OC 2 vs Maple 🍁: OC 2 by 2 (This might be more. Looking at OC 2 goals against, they have the best defensive record so far.)
Wildcats vs Eagles (Game of the week): Wildcats by 2
Jr Ducks 1 vs Heat: Jr Ducks by 3
OC 3 vs Kings 1: Kings 1 by 1 or will it be another tie? For OC sake if they want to grasp a play off spot they better start winning. They keep sinking on the board. Could it be that their goals for needs to improve? Their goal tender is keeping them in the games.
Good luck to everyone!
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Skates, you're getting scary good at your predictions...
Agree with your assessment on OC3. They need to pick up some goals in order to secure a playoff spot. They're goals against looks to be #2 in division, while their goals for drops down to #16. They need to find the back of the net more. It's going to be a tight race for playoff spots so don't want to fall too far down in standings.
Good luck to all teams this weekend!
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Ok, a bit late but here is what I'll be looking for this weekend.
Wave1 vs Kings2:
Not looking for much here, but curious if the small ice keeps the Goal Diff closer than Skates spread
Bears vs OCHC1:
Love when teams are playing each other for the 1st time! 3 ties for OCHC1?
Lady Ducks vs Wave2 Ont:
Should be a close game. If Ladies have their roster, should be a good game!
Leafs vs OCHC2:
Leafs seem to be a streaky team and will need to be on their game to stay in this one. Can they pull the upset?
Saints vs Gulls:
Should be a close game.
Eagles vs Wildcats:
I have to agree with Skates; game of the week! Can the Wildcats get back in the win column?
OCHC3 vs Kings1:
The Kings seem to be in a slump after Thanksgiving and this matchup will be a test! As I said last week; you need to show up against OC3!
Wave2 vs Condors:
I look for the Condors to add another W and jump up a bit in the standings.
Heat vs Ducks1:
Humm??? I think the Heat is the most dangerous 1 win team out there! Tied Ducks2? Looking to see what happens with this score.
This seems to be the calm before the storm next week! Good luck everyone!
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WAVE3-8 LADY DUCKS-2
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OCHC1 over Bears 4-3... Bears thought they didn't have to show up and when they realized it; it was too late! OCHC1 played a strong discipline game!
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Another tie for OC 3...
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OC1 v. Bears: OC1 often starts slow and when they do, they pay a price with 3 ties. Today they played all three periods strong and when they do, they are a good team. They beat Kohn's Ducks 6-3 in a meaningless scrimmage before a Ducks game. While not a predictor of the regular season game, it gave OC1 some confidence along with a decent Thanksgiving tournament.
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OC1 v. Bears: OC1 often starts slow and when they do, they pay a price with 3 ties. Today they played all three periods strong and when they do, they are a good team. They beat Kohn's Ducks 6-3 in a meaningless scrimmage before a Ducks game. While not a predictor of the regular season game, it gave OC1 some confidence along with a decent Thanksgiving tournament.
The Bears are very inconsistent and they played their only complete game over Thanksgiving. After looking at today's game, they only played hard during that 6-7 min streak when they scored 3 then went back into "getting mine" mode! OC played well but Bears were way off their game! "And that's why we play the game!"
At this age its hard getting kids to play 3 solid periods week in and week out... I'm sure this is the problem with all teams.
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Yep!! Certainly applies to our team.. "I gotta get mine" is always recipe for failure.. and the results yield accordingly. Remember..There is no joy in the hard back-check and sadly, so few kids at this level do it. For those that do, I sincerely applaud you.
Then again, there aren't many in AA that do it either. AAA is the only place you will consistently see it.
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I'll add that seeing the Bears in the Thanksgiving Tourny I was quite impressed with that team. They can beat anyone if they played like that every game.
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Anyone know the Heat; Saints; Condors outcomes of yesterday?
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Some great matchups this weekend! I'm going to be a fan and enjoy it! Good luck everyone!
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Ok, a bit late but here is what I'll be looking for this weekend.
Wave1 vs Kings2:
Not looking for much here, but curious if the small ice keeps the Goal Diff closer than Skates spread
Bears vs OCHC1:
Love when teams are playing each other for the 1st time! 3 ties for OCHC1?
Lady Ducks vs Wave2 Ont:
Should be a close game. If Ladies have their roster, should be a good game!
Leafs vs OCHC2:
Leafs seem to be a streaky team and will need to be on their game to stay in this one. Can they pull the upset?
Saints vs Gulls:
Should be a close game.
Eagles vs Wildcats:
I have to agree with Skates; game of the week! Can the Wildcats get back in the win column?
OCHC3 vs Kings1:
The Kings seem to be in a slump after Thanksgiving and this matchup will be a test! As I said last week; you need to show up against OC3!
Wave2 vs Condors:
I look for the Condors to add another W and jump up a bit in the standings.
Heat vs Ducks1:
Humm??? I think the Heat is the most dangerous 1 win team out there! Tied Ducks2? Looking to see what happens with this score.
This seems to be the calm before the storm next week! Good luck everyone!
Hmmmm Maple Leaves held on I heard and tied OC2 in the last 30 seconds of the game.
Wildcats did not hang on
And OC3 just can't get in the winning bracket.
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Here are my picks for tomorrow: man 10 to 12 year olds are just so unpredictable!
Wave 1 vs Bears: Bears by 3
Maple Leaves vs Wave 3: Maple Leaves by 2
Saints vs Heat: Will Heat get a win?
Eagles vs Jr Kings 2: Eagles by 4
Blaze vs Jr. Kings 1: Kings by 5
OC 1 Vs. OC 3: OC 1 by 2 (hmm will OC3 get a break since this will be OC 1's 2nd game of the day?)
OC 1 vs Wave 2: OC 1 by 5
Wave 1 vs Ducks 1: Ducks 1 by 3
Good luck everyone!
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Ok, a bit late but here is what I'll be looking for this weekend.
Wave1 vs Kings2:
Not looking for much here, but curious if the small ice keeps the Goal Diff closer than Skates spread
Bears vs OCHC1:
Love when teams are playing each other for the 1st time! 3 ties for OCHC1?
Lady Ducks vs Wave2 Ont:
Should be a close game. If Ladies have their roster, should be a good game!
Leafs vs OCHC2:
Leafs seem to be a streaky team and will need to be on their game to stay in this one. Can they pull the upset?
Saints vs Gulls:
Should be a close game.
Eagles vs Wildcats:
I have to agree with Skates; game of the week! Can the Wildcats get back in the win column?
OCHC3 vs Kings1:
The Kings seem to be in a slump after Thanksgiving and this matchup will be a test! As I said last week; you need to show up against OC3!
Wave2 vs Condors:
I look for the Condors to add another W and jump up a bit in the standings.
Heat vs Ducks1:
Humm??? I think the Heat is the most dangerous 1 win team out there! Tied Ducks2? Looking to see what happens with this score.
This seems to be the calm before the storm next week! Good luck everyone!
Hmmmm Maple Leaves held on I heard and tied OC2 in the last 30 seconds of the game.
Wildcats did not hang on
And OC3 just can't get in the winning bracket.
OCHC3 will.. If you look at who has played the tougher schedule so far; OC3 has only played 2 " Bottom half" teams while OC3 has played 4 and Jr Condors have played 3. Those few games easily chances things a bit. The playoffs will come down to the last week!
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So far 2 scores are posted. Any other updates tonight?
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Well, believe it or not but OC1 tied BOTH of their games today! They were missing 2 key kids. 3-3 against Wave 2 and 2-2 against OC3. Had their chances in Wave game but heard Wave goalie played well. These ties are messing everything up! Also, why are a few teams playing 2 games in one day? Kinda strange!
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Well, believe it or not but OC1 tied BOTH of their games today! They were missing 2 key kids. 3-3 against Wave 2 and 2-2 against OC3. Had their chances in Wave game but heard Wave goalie played well. These ties are messing everything up! Also, why are a few teams playing 2 games in one day? Kinda strange!
Those teams also have received an extra bye weekend so it evens itself out; got to make the game up somewhere. Seems the clubs that have the most available ice didn't double up, so it could be an ice issue?
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OC2 beat the Wildcats 6-1
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Ducks2 lost to the Gulls?? Is there a story to this? Missing kids?
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Ducks parent said gulls skated hard and took it to them early. By time ducks got things in gear gulls goalie was on fire.
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So now that all of the top 4 teams have lost, Who is considered the Top Dog and the team to beat ?????????????????
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Is It true CAHA is no longer allowing players to play up? For example, a second year squirt can't play PW anymore?
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Is It true CAHA is no longer allowing players to play up? For example, a second year squirt can't play PW anymore?
I believe that begins with the 09s.
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I don't think it applies to major Squirts playing up to Pee Wee. Believe it is a SCAHA prohibition on Mites playing up into Squirts.
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Anyone know the Heat-Saints and OCHC v. OCHC scores from Sunday. How are those still not posted?!!
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Anyone know the Heat-Saints and OCHC v. OCHC scores from Sunday. How are those still not posted?!!
I believe there was an earlier post that had the OC vs OC game as a Tie.
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Oh, sorry. Thanks!
What takes these managers so long......
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Oh, sorry. Thanks!
What takes these managers so long......
No worries!
I have no idea... aside from major obvious reasons... there is no excuse!! I've heard it takes no more than 10min!!
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So now that all of the top 4 teams have lost, Who is considered the Top Dog and the team to beat ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??
Hmmm... Well Bears are in 1st but OC 2 is in 2nd but they have the better point record. OC has the best defensive record and lost to the bears where this game was 6 to 5. So 6 out of the 14 goals against for OC came from one game? Then you have the Eagles who seem to be doing well.
I think Bears and OC2 are the top dogs at this moment.
And once again OC 3 tied. If you do the math for the rest of the season and teams that should win win, then it appears anyone listed as #10 or more may be out of the playoffs.
Where is everyone playing over Christmas break?
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Hey Skates! Glad you took a stab at this; I just couldn't call it! LOL!
After seeing a few top teams loose games they should have won, it reminded me that "Any Given Sunday" if a team doesn't show up, they can loose. Both the Ducks2 and Bears had a taste of that. With that said, I would bet that more shoes are going to drop as the 2nd half schedule for many teams at the top gets much harder.
Here is a breakdown of the top 10 teams and how many games they have had against "Top 8" teams in the current standings.
Bears - 5
OCHC2 - 2
Eagles - 1
Ducks2 - 2
Kings1 - 3
Ducks1 - 4
Leafs - 3
Wave1 - 4
OC1 - 3
OC3 - 4
I think this shows that some teams at the top will have a much tougher schedule after the holidays. Including OC2 which is giving up 4.5 goals per game against the 2 top 8 teams teams they played. They are a good team for sure, but just not buying into the "defensive/point record" theory.
Enjoy the holidays everyone!
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Great stat. One minor correction. OC3 has played 4 top 8 teams so far...
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Great stat. One minor correction. OC3 has played 4 top 8 teams so far...
HAHA! Just adjusted... Also Bears topped OC3 6-4.. Sorry Skates; I had to keep the corrections going!
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Correction: OC 2 has played 3 of top 8 teams.
But I agree anything is possible to change with 10 to 12 year olds.
I think Eagles are the team to watch out for.
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Great stat. One minor correction. OC3 has played 4 top 8 teams so far...
HAHA! Just adjusted... Also Bears topped OC3 6-4.. Sorry Skates; I had to keep the corrections going!
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Haha correction: Don't you mean OC 2 6 to 4! Too many OC teams to keep up with.
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Great stat. One minor correction. OC3 has played 4 top 8 teams so far...
HAHA! Just adjusted... Also Bears topped OC3 6-4.. Sorry Skates; I had to keep the corrections going!
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Haha correction: Don't you mean OC 2 6 to 4! Too many OC teams to keep up with.
DAMIT! that's what I meant, thanks for correcting my correction! LOL! Seems I missed that OC2 vs OC3 game!
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Correction: OC 2 has played 3 of top 8 teams.
But I agree anything is possible to change with 10 to 12 year olds.
I think Eagles are the team to watch out for.
The Eagles are lucky to be playing the tougher teams on their Pond! But I still think they will drop back down a bit; 5 tough games coming up for them....
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I must be missing something. I see that OC2 lost to the Bears and tied the Maple Leafs. What other Top 8 team have they played?
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I am showing Kings 1.
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Never mind I got them mixed up with OC 3 again. But OC2 did beat Kings 1 in the Thanksgiving Tournament and pre season.
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Tis the season and all....but I'm ready for some Hockey action. Ready to get back at it.
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Happy New Year!!!
My picks for this coming weekend:
Maple Leaves vs. Blaze: Maple Leaves by 5
🐻 vs. Jr. Ducks 2: 🐻 by 2
OCHC 3 vs Wave 1: Wave 1 just because OC 3 can't seem to score. Wave 1 by 2
Saints vs. OCHC 1: OC 1 by 3
Jr. Kings 1 vs. Heat: Heat by 1
Jr. Ducks 1 vs. Jr. Condors: Jr Ducks 1 by 4
Jr. Kings 2 vs. Lady Ducks: Lady Ducks
Jr. Gulls vs. Wave 2: Jr. Gulls by 4
I guess the wild cats have a bye week.
Good luck to everyone and let's see what 2017 brings.
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Bears vs Ducks 2 should be a great game. Pretty crucial for the rest of the top teams for D2 to beat the Bears. because the balance of the Bears schedule is against teams outside of the Top 10. Bears have been very impressive against a tough schedule and while D2 is a great team, this is their first SCAHA test against a top 5 team. A win by the Bears makes them odds on favorites for the top seed going into the playoffs.
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I think you forgot about Wave3 vs OCHC2??
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I'm guessing the Ducks 2 mention about not playing top 5 teams is referring to the regular season. For some reason I think the Ducks 2 have played all of those teams in some form. Tourneys or pre season.
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I'm guessing the Ducks 2 mention about not playing top 5 teams is referring to the regular season. For some reason I think the Ducks 2 have played all of those teams in some form. Tourneys or pre season.
Correct, this is based on SCAHA regular season games only. Also the ducks2 haven't played the Bears in any type of play this season.
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Bears vs Ducks 2 should be a great game. Pretty crucial for the rest of the top teams for D2 to beat the Bears. because the balance of the Bears schedule is against teams outside of the Top 10. Bears have been very impressive against a tough schedule and while D2 is a great team, this is their first SCAHA test against a top 5 team. A win by the Bears makes them odds on favorites for the top seed going into the playoffs.
Bears will be playing without a few top Forwards so could be a tough game!
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OC(3) beat Wave(1), 4 to 2. Other scores?
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Kings 1 beat Heat 5-2
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OC2 over Ontario Wave 6-3
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Heard Ducks2 over Bears 4-2. Will be interesting to see when they play aging at full strength, but heard a good game by both teams kids!
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OC1 over Saints 7-0. Good weekend for the OC teams.
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Looking at the standings, it looks like strength of schedule will be an enormous factor in the last few playoff spots. A real shame, there are 15 regular season games and 3 byes. Those 3 byes could have been used to make sure that every team played every team and taken strength of schedule out of the equation.
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Heard Ducks2 over Bears 4-2. Will be interesting to see when they play aging at full strength, but heard a good game by both teams kids!
Looking back the Bears always seem to be "missing kids" when they play top teams. Just saying...
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Heard Ducks2 over Bears 4-2. Will be interesting to see when they play aging at full strength, but heard a good game by both teams kids!
Looking back the Bears always seem to be "missing kids" when they play top teams. Just saying...
Really? Seemed to only happen 1 other time and it was against Wave (Ont) over Thanksgiving.. A top team? Humm?? When they played OCHC3, it was presumed they were missing kids, but was a full roster; so again.. Humm?? Just saying....
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Injuries, sickness or suspension?
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Looking at the standings, it looks like strength of schedule will be an enormous factor in the last few playoff spots. A real shame, there are 15 regular season games and 3 byes. Those 3 byes could have been used to make sure that every team played every team and taken strength of schedule out of the equation.
Sounds like your on a team that is desperately trying to make playoffs and probably won't so you have to make excuses. Just win your games then you would at least be in the top 8.
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So I guess my picks last week were not that accurate but I was rooting for the underdog in most cases and lost. Guess I will have to do a better pick for next weekend.
Hmmm it appears after last weeks games, OC 2 has taken 1st place. Their defense is strong. And their forwards are coming through for them when needed.
It appears to me that there really are only Top 6 teams and then the rest are fighting just to survive making a playoff spot. Should be an interesting 2nd half of the season. Good luck!
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Yes, Skates, not much of a surprise that my son's team is in the battle for one of the last playoff spots. Yes, for their sake it would have been nice if every team could have been given the same path to the playoffs (like all of the teams in your kid's Squirt A division), particularly when there were the bye weeks on the calendar to do it. But why wouldn't more hockey and an even playing field be a good thing for everyone?
I don't feel the need to make an excuse for my son's team. To date, they've given everyone their money's worth. They are showing a lot of development during the course of the season. And they will get their chance to play all of the playoff contenders during the regular season. Wouldn't have that any other way.
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So I guess my picks last week were not that accurate but I was rooting for the underdog in most cases and lost. Guess I will have to do a better pick for next weekend.
Hmmm it appears after last weeks games, OC 2 has taken 1st place. Their defense is strong. And their forwards are coming through for them when needed.
It appears to me that there really are only Top 6 teams and then the rest are fighting just to survive making a playoff spot. Should be an interesting 2nd half of the season. Good luck!
OC2 vs Ducks2 in two weeks should be a great game. They have the same system and both rely heavy on their defense and goaltending. I expect it to be a low scoring game and it will most likely set the first seed.
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Heard Ducks2 over Bears 4-2. Will be interesting to see when they play aging at full strength, but heard a good game by both teams kids!
Looking back the Bears always seem to be "missing kids" when they play top teams. Just saying...
It's true, the Bears were missing two kids but that's not to take anything away from the Ducks. It was a tight game, 2-2 going into the 3rd period I believe. The Ducks played a very solid, disciplined game and they were the better team yesterday. You won't hear us griping about it or making excuses. They beat us fair and square.
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So I guess my picks last week were not that accurate but I was rooting for the underdog in most cases and lost. Guess I will have to do a better pick for next weekend.
Hmmm it appears after last weeks games, OC 2 has taken 1st place. Their defense is strong. And their forwards are coming through for them when needed.
It appears to me that there really are only Top 6 teams and then the rest are fighting just to survive making a playoff spot. Should be an interesting 2nd half of the season. Good luck!
OC2 vs Ducks2 in two weeks should be a great game. They have the same system and both rely heavy on their defense and goaltending. I expect it to be a low scoring game and it will most likely set the first seed.
HMMM they rely heavy on their defense? ??? ??? ??? ? They are the top scoring team. I think their offense is their defense....... Having played against them, they have small defense who are a bit on the slow side. If it weren't for their very fast forwards the defense would be in a lot of trouble. Their defense is the weakness of the team......... OC2 will fall from first place anyways, all of the top teams have fallen from it this year..........That game vs Ducks will be a good one though...........
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Looking at the standings, it looks like strength of schedule will be an enormous factor in the last few playoff spots. A real shame, there are 15 regular season games and 3 byes. Those 3 byes could have been used to make sure that every team played every team and taken strength of schedule out of the equation.
Sounds like your on a team that is desperately trying to make playoffs and probably won't so you have to make excuses. Just win your games then you would at least be in the top 8.
As much as some of your past posts have bored me, I'll agree with you on this one. Play the game right (especially this deep into the season) and you wont have to worry about strength of schedule as much. Breakdowns, poor back-check and lack of basic passing will happen but when it happens to the degree it does with them, you will struggle against good to decent teams.
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Oops sorry skates did I kick you in the groin??? By the looks of your post, you must have a defenseman on that team.... they do have the best defense and it's because of their offense. We played them, not just watched as you say but seriously doubt. I did not see anything close to what you claim the defense can do. They do have fast forwards not just at center but wingers as well.... pretty good sized ones too.... all credit to oc2 they are a strong team....
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Oops sorry skates did I kick you in the groin??? By the looks of your post, you must have a defenseman on that team.... they do have the best defense and it's because of their offense. We played them, not just watched as you say but seriously doubt. I did not see anything close to what you claim the defense can do. They do have fast forwards not just at center but wingers as well.... pretty good sized ones too.... all credit to oc2 they are a strong team....
What are you talking about? Just because I find stats fun and taking a guess at what teams are at the top, you assume I have a defenseman on the OC team. My numbers and the score board just show that they have the best defense. And 6 of those goals out of 15 happened to be from 1 game. So do the math out of the total games played what is their percentage of average goals against per game in the remaining games. And from watching a couple of their games, the games I saw their defense was on fire! So if you played them of course, you thought your team was better than their defense. Did you win?
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So I guess my picks last week were not that accurate but I was rooting for the underdog in most cases and lost. Guess I will have to do a better pick for next weekend.
Hmmm it appears after last weeks games, OC 2 has taken 1st place. Their defense is strong. And their forwards are coming through for them when needed.
It appears to me that there really are only Top 6 teams and then the rest are fighting just to survive making a playoff spot. Should be an interesting 2nd half of the season. Good luck!
OC2 vs Ducks2 in two weeks should be a great game. They have the same system and both rely heavy on their defense and goaltending. I expect it to be a low scoring game and it will most likely set the first seed.
HMMM they rely heavy on their defense? ??? ??? ??? ? They are the top scoring team. I think their offense is their defense....... Having played against them, they have small defense who are a bit on the slow side. If it weren't for their very fast forwards the defense would be in a lot of trouble. Their defense is the weakness of the team......... OC2 will fall from first place anyways, all of the top teams have fallen from it this year..........That game vs Ducks will be a good one though...........
Wildwinger what team/game were you watching? I happened to see a couple of OC 2 games. Also they have the best defensive record. They have a few fast forwards but from what I have seen their forwards do not back check and like to demonstrate their speed but need to work on passing because the games I saw they relied on their defense quite a bit when their forwards got into a bind and defense with their speed had to save the forwards butts a lot the games I saw. And their defense sets up most of their plays getting them out of the defensive area.
Grant it they are all just peewee A and every kid at this level will make a few mistakes.
No kid in this fight but what you described is not the type of game and chemistry that I saw. I think that is why they have climbed to the top.
Defense does not mean Defenseman, defense is a team effort. All the players have to buy into playing a defensive system. A good defensive team will spend a lot of time in their attacking zone because they are able to move the puck out of their defensive zone. The best way to determine if a team is a good defensive team is by shots against. A good goalie will make a team with low shots against a great team.
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Oops sorry skates did I kick you in the groin??? By the looks of your post, you must have a defenseman on that team.... they do have the best defense and it's because of their offense. We played them, not just watched as you say but seriously doubt. I did not see anything close to what you claim the defense can do. They do have fast forwards not just at center but wingers as well.... pretty good sized ones too.... all credit to oc2 they are a strong team....
What are you talking about? Just because I find stats fun and taking a guess at what teams are at the top, you assume I have a defenseman on the OC team. My numbers and the score board just show that they have the best defense. And 6 of those goals out of 15 happened to be from 1 game. So do the math out of the total games played what is their percentage of average goals against per game in the remaining games. And from watching a couple of their games, the games I saw their defense was on fire! So if you played them of course, you thought your team was better than their defense. Did you win?
I think we talked about this a while back... Let's look a bit deeper into this stat.
The only stat I keep looking at is when OCHC2 plays a top team, they are giving up 4.5 GA per game. Looking at Ducks2, they are giving up 2 GA per game, Kings 1 2.75 GA just to list a few (against the same top 9, added OC3). Since the 2nd half has more top teams coming up for OC2, I think the stat you look at will change a bit and even out. Statistically, the Ducks2 "Team" D seems to be the best right now. But hey, OC2 has handled their business up to this point, so you have to give them their due! They deserve to be right where they are...1st!
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Our kids played against OC2 and we watched them play in a tournament. They have an all around decent team and their defense is pretty fast and isn't afraid to carry the puck or shoot. In the game against us their defense scored half of the goals. Much like every team at this level, there are lapses in judgement in terms of positioning and penalties but for the most part their defense was making the plays out of their zone and passing it up, in each of the games I saw. There are a couple kids on D that are faster than their forwards. Maybe not all the time but at the games we watched, it was consistent. We had them tied but, they ultimately came ahead by their D scoring. They have a lot of kids that are fast and I hear a few are 05's. Should be fun for the next half of the season. I think the teams are all putting on a great show. We should all keep in mind these kids are 11 and 12 and still learning the fundamentals and body placement. They all deserve a huge high 5 regardless of the standings!
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I don't think anyone is being critical of the kids play, unless I missed a post. I think it's a great field for sure! Skates and I are stat nuts! Haha! Again, this has zero to do with how hard these kids are playing. As I've said from the beginning.... it's an any given Sunday kinda season!
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The winning team isn't the team with the most individual talent. It's the team that comes together and becomes a team of talent.
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The winning team isn't the team with the most individual talent. It's the team that comes together and becomes a team of talent.
Well said. Now if we could only get our kids to play like a team on a consistent basis we'll be unstoppable :)
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Weekend's Picks, Skates?
Anyone else care to chime in?!
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Here is what I got:
Wave1 over Wildcats3
Bears over Heat
OCHC2 over Ducks1 - I just think OC size will be too much for the Ducks
OC1 over Wave Ont
Kings1 over Gulls
Ducks2 over Condors
Eagles over Blaze
PML over OC3 - this was hard for me! I'm an OC3 fan but PML is pretty tough and big.
Kings2 over Wave2
The 2 games I'll be looking at are Leafs/OC3 (Can OC 3 continue the climb in standings. This would be a great win for them!) And OC2/Ducks1 should be a great game!
Good luck to everyone!
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The winning team isn't the team with the most individual talent. It's the team that comes together and becomes a team of talent.
Well said.
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Here is what I got:
Wave1 over Wildcats3
Bears over Heat
OCHC2 over Ducks1 - I just think OC size will be too much for the Ducks
OC1 over Wave Ont
Kings1 over Gulls
Ducks2 over Condors
Eagles over Blaze
PML over OC3 - this was hard for me! I'm an OC3 fan but PML is pretty tough and big.
Kings2 over Wave2
The 2 games I'll be looking at are Leafs/OC3 (Can OC 3 continue the climb in standings. This would be a great win for them!) And OC2/Ducks1 should be a great game!
Good luck to everyone!
My picks for the weekend:
Wave 1 vs. wildcats - should of been a close game. Wave 1 by 2
Bears vs. Heat - Bears by 3
OC vs. ducks1 - should be a good game.
OC 1 vs. wave3 - OC 1 by 2
Kings vs gulls - Kings by 3
Ducks2 vs condors- Ducks2 by 5
Eagles vs Blaze- Eagles by 4
PML vs OC 3 - PML by 2
Kings2 vs wave 2 - should be a fun game for both sides. Kings by 2
Good luck everyone!
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OC3 beat Maple Leafs 3 to 1. Other scores?
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Looks like the scores are coming in now! Was anyone at the OC2/Ducks1 game? Heard some things and I hope the kid is ok! I didn't notice any ejections or major penalties though.
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OC3 beat Maple Leafs 3 to 1. Other scores?
And here comes the big push by OC3! OC2 has Ducks2 next week, so it doesn't get any easier for them. The Eagles have 4 tough ones coming up too! 2nd half schedule could shake things up it seems!
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What happened at the OC2 game????
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Looks like the scores are coming in now! Was anyone at the OC2/Ducks1 game? Heard some things and I hope the kid is ok! I didn't notice any ejections or major penalties though.
Humm.. Lets keep ears peeled... but if something did happen Im going to bet my next paycheck that........... The usual suspect might be involved in some way or another... then it just becomes a matter of whether a daddy tried to fly over glass again.. Ill bet the loss didn't help matters and maybe even lit the fuse.
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Looks like the scores are coming in now! Was anyone at the OC2/Ducks1 game? Heard some things and I hope the kid is ok! I didn't notice any ejections or major penalties though.
Humm.. Lets keep ears peeled... but if something did happen Im going to bet my next paycheck that........... The usual suspect might be involved in some way or another... then it just becomes a matter of whether a daddy tried to fly over glass again.. Ill bet the loss didn't help matters and maybe even lit the fuse.
I think it involves a child injury during ice play! Pretty serious scene! Any OC2 parents out there that can confirm? Hate to hear this stuff and I don't have specific details, so sorry to be vague.
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It is my understanding that early in the 3rd period, an OC player got himself twisted up falling down against the boards. According to him, there was no involvement by a Ducks player during the fall. He was in extreme pain so the decision was made to call an ambulance and paramedics to the rink. He was removed and taken to the hospital after about a half hour review by the paramedics.
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I heard from one of the Ducks dad's who was there, the child was trying to defend against the boards and skating hard to the puck and made a hard stop on skates and with a shove from behind fell forward into the boards with his knee and twisted over the opposite way. There was talk the boy who may have hit him from behind may have fallen on him, but he said he didn't see anyone fall on him, but he immediately grabbed his leg. He was unable to get off the ice himself so was carried off. I'm assuming that's when the ambulance was called. The parents that we know said everyone was really concerned for him and his family as it looked pretty scary. His player was pretty upset as he felt so bad for him so I don't think anything was intentional. I wasn't there but that's what was shared by people who were and I don't think they are on the site to relay what they witnessed.
I hope he is okay and our hockey family is sending prayers that it isn't serious. I hate to see anyone get injured. If there are OC parents that know him or the family, are there any updates as to the injury? I hope it's not a broken leg or ACL injury??? What a shame to happen so close to the end of the season.
Prayers to the child who was injured...
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Certainly glad to hear nothing dirty on the play. Hate to see a bad injury but really hate it when its the result of dirty play.. Get well quick kiddo....
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Nice little log jam at the top of the standings. Be an intersting race to the finish. 1 loss here or there could drop you down to the 8 spot barely hanging on for post season contention. Good hockey still to be played. If the regular season is any indicator of playoffs it should be a great few months left.
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Can anyone speak on what happened to the Gulls / Kings game? 5-1?? Gulls have beat Ducks2 and now Kings1... If this is the real deal, they have a legit shot at playoffs. Winning their next 3 games will lead up to a pretty big match up with the Eagles that could make or break a playoff spot for each team. (Eagles Schedule gets considerably harder)
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Can anyone speak on what happened to the Gulls / Kings game? 5-1?? Gulls have beat Ducks2 and now Kings1... If this is the real deal, they have a legit shot at playoffs. Winning their next 3 games will lead up to a pretty big match up with the Eagles that could make or break a playoff spot for each team. (Eagles Schedule gets considerably harder)
The Eagles have a serious home ice advantage at the rink that should be condemned.
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Can anyone speak on what happened to the Gulls / Kings game? 5-1?? Gulls have beat Ducks2 and now Kings1... If this is the real deal, they have a legit shot at playoffs. Winning their next 3 games will lead up to a pretty big match up with the Eagles that could make or break a playoff spot for each team. (Eagles Schedule gets considerably harder)
The Eagles have a serious home ice advantage at the rink that should be condemned.
I've said that also.. by looking at their scores its like 2 different teams playing home vs away!
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Eagles have 9 games and only 1 against a top 8 team and it was a loss to the Bears...........However they have played 7 of the 8 bottom teams
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My picks for the week:
I am still shaking my head from last week. ;D
Sooooooooo..... all games this week should be close with the exception of a few.
Game of the weekend should be the Eagles vs the Maple Leaves.
Good luck to everyone!
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And I was expecting Skates to pick Bye week by 2 over OC3. :) Scores?
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And I was expecting Skates to pick Bye week by 2 over OC3. :) Scores?
No word from the OC2 vs Ducks2 game?
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OC2 won 3-1 over Ducks 2
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Looks like it is going to be pretty close for the playoffs in Bantam A and PW A. I forgot what are the tiebreakers to make the playoffs. Is the first tiebreaker, head to head and then goal differential? Total wins?
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Looks like it is going to be pretty close for the playoffs in Bantam A and PW A. I forgot what are the tiebreakers to make the playoffs. Is the first tiebreaker, head to head and then goal differential? Total wins?
Tie Breaker is determined by #1 Standings, #2 Most Wins, #3 Head-to-Head, #4 Goal Differential, #5 Quotient. Your right; it't going to come down to some of these for seeding and even making the playoffs!
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OC1 won 6-2 over JD1
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How about Maple Leafs vs. Eagles?
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How about Maple Leafs vs. Eagles?
I think I heard that was a tie.
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And I was expecting Skates to pick Bye week by 2 over OC3. :) Scores?
Hahaaa! 6607, you know me too well! But nah I knew OC 3 wouldn't have any trouble staying alive this last weekend! Great to see they didn't lose any points.
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How about Maple Leafs vs. Eagles?
I heard it was a tie! Probably a great game! Man what takes them so long to post scores?
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Home team manager has until end of day Tuesday to post results.
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SCAHA guidebook requires score sheets to be uploaded by 10 pm on the Monday following the game.
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That would explain why I am not a team manager.
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Schedule for Phoenix President's Day tournament is out...
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Anyone know why a 0 to 0 score has been entered for the OC2/Eagles game in Feb.?
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Anyone know why a 0 to 0 score has been entered for the OC2/Eagles game in Feb.?
I bet it was a slip... LOL!
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Word is the wildcats beat the heat today 6 to 3.
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My picks for the week.
Wave art 2 vs ML - ML by 4
Jr Kings 1 vs Ducks 2- Ducks 2 by 2
Wave art 1 vs Eagles - Eagles by 3
Condors vs OC3 - OC 3 by 3
Blaze vs OC1 - OC 1 by 4
Jr kings 2 vs gulls - gulls by 3
Wave 3 vs Saints - wave 3 by 2
Lady Ducks vs - Bears - should be a good game if All LD roster is there.
OC2 vs. Bye - OC2
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OC3 beat Condors 9 to 5. Other scores?
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OC1 beat Blaze 10 - 1.
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I heard the Eagles beat the Wave1? Not sure of the final score, but i think it was 2 goal DF....
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OC3 beat Condors 9 to 5. Other scores?
Wow what happened? Seems the defense might of slipped a little for both teams. Sounds like a lot of action. Glad OC walked away with the win.
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I heard the Eagles beat the Wave1? Not sure of the final score, but i think it was 2 goal DF....
It is posted. Eagles 5 Wave 1: 2
I got the goal differential of 3 correct and was only 1 goal off for the OC 3 game. Looks like the Wave 06 team is falling in the standings.
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Re: the OC3/Condors game, pretty high octane affair. There were some soft goals, but the game was greatly influenced by the number of penalties - 21 all told. More than half of the goals were scored by special teams.
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Re: the OC3/Condors game, pretty high octane affair. There were some soft goals, but the game was greatly influenced by the number of penalties - 21 all told. More than half of the goals were scored by special teams.
WOW! 21?? Bad calls or just a physical game? Any kids get 5 or more or a total team effort?
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Down to crunch time with very little margin for error for the last few playoff spots.
Good luck to all the teams, and my condolences on the ridiculous number of teams in the division, and associated "strength of schedule" factors.
With that said, seems like a lot of parity amongst the playoff teams, and the play downs should be a wild ride.
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Re: the OC3/Condors game, pretty high octane affair. There were some soft goals, but the game was greatly influenced by the number of penalties - 21 all told. More than half of the goals were scored by special teams.
WOW! 21?? Bad calls or just a physical game? Any kids get 5 or more or a total team effort?
The officiating changes from week to week. The kids never know how they are suppose to play. A team that goes from averaging 6-8 penalties a games plays a game were there are none. Do you seriously think there were no penalties? A team goes from averaging 1 or 2 penalties to 10 in one game. Do you seriously think they became thugs over the course of the week? The inconsistent officiating in a non checking league is frustrating. The refs do not seem to know what is allowed and how to have physical play within the rules. The players have to go week to week to see how the game is going to be called so they know how physical they can be. The problem is that most kids can not figure this out at this young age, if ever...
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Agree with you SkatingDad.
It's no better in AA, because play levels are not part of the criteria qualifying you to referee either.
What is very apparent is that in other regions, there seems to be a better understanding of the basic rules of the sport. This can be a minor shock to Cali kids who are being trained to avoid penalties. There is a reason for this, but I'll address that later.
For example, there is an entire book on "Body contact". I know that many parents are not aware of this, and I wouldn't expect them to be, but there is a lot of contact allowable at this age group, and yet I routinely see penalties called on what should have been legal contact because the ref heard a "loud sound". Rubouts, and contact that entails closing out an advancing player via a rubout along the boards are good examples of what is suppossed to be legal body contact, and yet turns into a penalty. For 50/50 pucks, kids sometimes run into each other. That is not a situation where a kid should be penalized because they knocked down another kid who was going for the same puck, again assuming that the kid was focused on the puck and not on trying to check the other player.
There's also the ever present "big kid collided with smaller kid while going for 50-50 puck" which 90% of the time ends up with "Big kid" in box.
I watch refs routinely make calls on plays they can't see because the ref is looking at the backs of the players and "guessing" that there was a trip or something else that occurred.
At the end of the day, refs are highly fallible. It is not easy to referee a game, and let's face the facts that experienced refs want nothing to do with youth hockey. It is not worth it to them to deal with the low pay, travel and early morning games, not to mention the belligerent parents yelling at them regardless of whether they are competent or not.
Ostensibly the levels are this:
Level 1 (Mites)
Level 2 (Squirts)
Level 3 (Peewees - Midgets + High School)
Level 4 (Midget Tier 1 & 2 Nationals)
So theoretically a referee should have 3 years of experience at Peewee, although realistically they could have 2 years, and freshly passed the level 3 exam and clinic). Along the same lines, a very inexperienced ref (basically 1 season) can easily be reffing a Squirt A game, where the players themselves have been playing 3-4x as long as the ref has been certified. There is only so many refs available and willing, so in a pinch a level 1 ref can be coaching a Squirt game, and on up the ladder.
I don't see a lot of officials coming into the profession who have comfort and experience with the sport. This leads to situations where the refs are challenged just by the mechanics of skating adequately, and consequently they can't get into the right spots to see play, avoid high traffic areas, or even avoid falling on their backs. This is in basic violation of the rule of thumb, which is that refs should skate at the same level or better than the players they are reffing. I see lots of games where it's apparent the refs are not even close to the speed and level of the kids they are reffing.
But the biggest thing effecting what we all see is that the focus of referees from USA Hockey down, is "player safety". When a ref sees something they think was "dangerous" they will call a penalty because that is the focus of the job, per the training they are now receiving. They are essentially being encouraged to take a sport that is inherently chaotic and full of intrinsic physical contact, and to try and make it "safe". In many case since they never played it themselves, they really don't understand what is safe and what isn't. So we get games occasionally like the one you described where clearly a ref lost his mind. But even routinely, I find that refs are calling too many penalties that aren't penalties at all. Then you go to Minnesota, Detroit, Boston or Canada and find out how the game is played everywhere else. From what I've heard from other people, the kids do tend to acclimate, but in our local leagues, it's more often than not a train wreck. I find it helps to remind myself that it's not personal, and without refs, we wouldn't have an organized game at all to occupy us on Sunday morning.
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With regard to the OC3/Condors game, from my perspective, by and large, this was not a case of ticky tack calls. Condors had 13 penalties if the double minor is counted as 2 penalties. 8 of these were roughs, cross checks and body checks, all of which came after OC had established a 3-0 lead at the end of the first period. To my eye, I only saw one "protect the players" type of call, and it was a coincidental high sticking call where two big players were playing very physically with their sticks very high. Saw one correct non call that sent the wrong message - one player tried to level a kid on the boards, missed his attempt to check/charge, and no call was made. Also saw one ticky tack slashing called after a player was levelled away from the puck and then expressed his displeasure by tapping the other one on the ankle. But by and large, thought the game was pretty well reffed.
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The most frustrating part for the kids happens when the refs make a call that they don't understand and there isn't anyone who explains it to them. When the kids ask what they did, they get another penalty for talking back. It's BS at times and that is part of their job! I see it all the time!
Also, had my kid smashed into the boards by a ref who backed up into him while he was going after the puck, fell on top of him and caused a delay of game and the other team scored. How is that fair? That goal caused us the game at 1-0.
My favorite is when the refs swear at the kids and tell them to shut up! I don't talk to my kids the way a few of the refs do and yet they continue to officiate despite a not so pleasant complaint.
All in any given Sunday, but doesn't mean we have to like it or agree with it!
Playing in other states has been a huge wake up call for the kids who have that luxury. Other parts of the country have taught how to play aggressive and fast without the penalties and for the most part are consistent with calls. Checking from behind is the big call in Canada and often comes because kids are trying to play at their tempo.
Nonetheless. Best of luck this weekend!
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With regard to the OC3/Condors game, from my perspective, by and large, this was not a case of ticky tack calls. Condors had 13 penalties if the double minor is counted as 2 penalties. 8 of these were roughs, cross checks and body checks, all of which came after OC had established a 3-0 lead at the end of the first period. To my eye, I only saw one "protect the players" type of call, and it was a coincidental high sticking call where two big players were playing very physically with their sticks very high. Saw one correct non call that sent the wrong message - one player tried to level a kid on the boards, missed his attempt to check/charge, and no call was made. Also saw one ticky tack slashing called after a player was levelled away from the puck and then expressed his displeasure by tapping the other one on the ankle. But by and large, thought the game was pretty well reffed.
I am sure that many of those Checking and Roughing penalties where not actually penalties. Teams with big players often get treated unfairly and the Condors are a big team (especially that one kid). As stated the refs do not understand what type of body contact is allowed, I rarely see those called correctly. If PW games were called correctly the Squirt teams would not be playing up because they would be physically unable to do so. This is what happens when those Squirt teams go East and the games are called more to the actual rules, they get a rude awakening.
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Yep! I remember a kid last season who was the biggest kid on his team and constantly was in the box because kids ran into him and fell. 9 times out of 10 he played the puck. The same kid would also get called because he was one of their best skaters and would use his hips/behind to back up into someone or step in front of someone for the puck while the other kid fell or was in the act of falling and bam! He got the call. It's sad because they get so mad and fear the next penalty, they can't play the game it's supposed to be played.
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Skating Dad, with regard to the calls at the OC3/Condors game, I welcome a discussion about what should/ should not have been called if you were actually there. Here's the narrative of the Condors game. OC controlled the game throughout the first period, and then some of the Condors lost control of their emotions as they amped up the physicality of their play, e.g., goalie pummeled OC player with stick and blocker, leveling kids from behind with cross checks, taking runs at kids along the boards, etc. Condors were getting their money's worth out of these - I can tell you point blank that my boy at least had the biggest and darkest bruises he has ever had after this game. From my perspective in the OC offensive zone, the penalties were not of the borderline was it a check or proper body contact variety, and there could have been a lot more calls made on the big guys than actually were made. The special teams play for both teams had some outstanding moments, but was a wash. Factor special teams out, and it would have been a 5-1 OC win Happy to defer to others who were there with regard to play in the D zone.
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Skating Dad, with regard to the calls at the OC3/Condors game, I welcome a discussion about what should/ should not have been called if you were actually there. Here's the narrative of the Condors game. OC controlled the game throughout the first period, and then some of the Condors lost control of their emotions as they amped up the physicality of their play, e.g., goalie pummeled OC player with stick and blocker, leveling kids from behind with cross checks, taking runs at kids along the boards, etc. Condors were getting their money's worth out of these - I can tell you point blank that my boy at least had the biggest and darkest bruises he has ever had after this game. From my perspective in the OC offensive zone, the penalties were not of the borderline was it a check or proper body contact variety, and there could have been a lot more calls made on the big guys than actually were made. The special teams play for both teams had some outstanding moments, but was a wash. Factor special teams out, and it would have been a 5-1 OC win Happy to defer to others who were there with regard to play in the D zone.
I was not there and have no skin in the game at all... I only know how games are called. The parents do not understand how much body contact is allowed in Peewee. I watch parents react to legal body contact because someone on their team gets blown up because they do not understand what is allowed. Almost half of these kids will be checking in two months and as the Peewee season gets closer to the end the body contact increases. Your kid should have bruises after every game and if it is a problem for you and your kid maybe this is not the game for you. As for your goalie, it is the responsibility of your defenseman to protect your goalie. The opposing team has to know that if they are going to hack your goalie their will be repercussions. That is the way the game is played, this is not AYSO.
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Skating Dad, we are not AYSO types, nor shrinking violets. The point about the bruises was simply that these were not ticky tack fouls. It really isn't all that uncommon to see the losing team cross the line out of frustration, and that was my impression as to what happened to a few of the Condor players.
Would like to hear what you mean by "blowing up" a player and when you think it is within the rules at Pee Wee A. That phrase to me, almost always connotes an overt body check or charging, rather than angling someone off the puck or a battle along the boards.
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Skating Dad, we are not AYSO types, nor shrinking violets. The point about the bruises was simply that these were not ticky tack fouls. It really isn't all that uncommon to see the losing team cross the line out of frustration, and that was my impression as to what happened to a few of the Condor players.
Would like to hear what you mean by "blowing up" a player and when you think it is within the rules at Pee Wee A. That phrase to me, almost always connotes an overt body check or charging, rather than angling someone off the puck or a battle along the boards.
Ever seen a skilled player rubbing out someone out on the boards? If this is done correctly by a player that can skate, the offensive player will be blown up. Following is what USA Hockey defines as body contact:
Rubbing Out
Screening Out
Boxing Out
Pinning
http://www.usahockey.com/page/show/908033-body-checking-rule (http://www.usahockey.com/page/show/908033-body-checking-rule)
With a big strong kid who can skate any one of these will result in a player being blown up (not pinning).
The key to body contact is making a play on the puck, after a play is made on the puck any contact after that is incidental. If a player does not first make a play on the puck then it is checking (with a couple of exceptions). I have seen many of players blown up open ice because the defending player understands that he first needs to make a play on the puck and then hold his ground. The bigger stronger kid who can skate always wins...
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Condors got a bit frustrated and loss some control of their emotions. I wouldn't be surprised if Condor coach told his players to impose their size a bit more which is what I would have done also. When Condors used their size, the game evened out a little more hence the mini comeback (goaltending/defense aside). But yes, there were a few hits that were called and should have been. If Condors back off just a little (and get control of their emotions), the game plan would have worked even better. A couple hard plays/hits but nothing earth shattering. Kind of a physical game which made it better to watch.
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Does anyone know why the OC and Eagles score is 0-0? They haven't played yet.
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Someone posting an earlier game posted that by mistake. It will be corrected by the OC2 manager after the game next week. Meanwhile that fake tie is giving both the Eagles and OC2 and extra point/game played in the standings. Adjusted, this would drop the Eagles to 3rd and bring the Bears up to 2nd while OC2 maintains 4th.
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Score deleted so standings now based on played games.
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Looks like the top 4 teams are staying strong....
My picks for the weekend:
Saints vs. Wildcats: Wildcats by 4
Heat vs. ML: ML by 2
Blaze vs. Jr Ducks 1: Jr. Ducks 1 by 7
Jr. Condors vs OC 2: OC 2 by 4
Wave 2 vs OC 3: OC 3 by 5 should be a piece of cake for OC 3. Will this game get them back in the 8th play off spot?
Jr. Ducks 2 vs. Eagles: Game of the week. Will the Eagles struggle? Ducks 2 by 1
Bears vs Wavev3: Will probably be a game with lots of penalties: Bears by 3
OC 1 vs Kings 2: OC 1 by 3
Wave 1 vs. Bye: Bye week not good for the little guys. They can't afford to lose points if they want a chance for the 8th spot. Can they catch up?
Good luck to everyone! Have a drink! After all we will be at our kids hockey games and missing the super bowl!
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Skates called it. OC3 over W2, 6 to 1. Other scores???
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Well Skates, the Bears vs Wave game surprisingly didn't have many Penalties. The Refs did a pretty decent job! Credit to the Wave, they came out and played and really look much improved! Their goalie #25 was a wall!! <we can say # on this site right? I'll edit if not allowed>
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Round robin play is 1,4,5,8 and 2,3,6,7
Play off prediction:
1. OCHC (2) 25 points (tie breaker head-to-head)
2. Ducks (2) 25 points
3. Bears 24 points
4. Ducks (1) 23 Points
5. Eagles 22 points
6. Maple Leafs 21 points
7. OCHC (1) 20 points
8. Kings (1) 19 points
The top 3 are set, may be a different order. 4 and 5 could switch but, they will be in the same bracket so... 6-8 are much more difficult to determine OCHC (3) could easy be in the mix.
Let the argument begin...
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If there is a 6 point difference from 1-8 that has to be one of the closest finishes ever.
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If there is a 6 point difference from 1-8 that has to be one of the closest finishes ever.
Closest since 2011/2012 which was 7 point difference from 1-8.
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Round robin play is 1,4,5,8 and 2,3,6,7
Play off prediction:
1. OCHC (2) 25 points (tie breaker head-to-head)
2. Ducks (2) 25 points
3. Bears 24 points
4. Ducks (1) 23 Points
5. Eagles 22 points
6. Maple Leafs 21 points
7. OCHC (1) 20 points
8. Kings (1) 19 points
The top 3 are set, may be a different order. 4 and 5 could switch but, they will be in the same bracket so... 6-8 are much more difficult to determine OCHC (3) could easy be in the mix.
Let the argument begin...
Oc3, Kings1 and Eagles all have a game in hand on several of those teams above them. This is closer than it already looks.
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Round robin play is 1,4,5,8 and 2,3,6,7
Play off prediction:
1. OCHC (2) 25 points (tie breaker head-to-head)
2. Ducks (2) 25 points
3. Bears 24 points
4. Ducks (1) 23 Points
5. Eagles 22 points
6. Maple Leafs 21 points
7. OCHC (1) 20 points
8. Kings (1) 19 points
The top 3 are set, may be a different order. 4 and 5 could switch but, they will be in the same bracket so... 6-8 are much more difficult to determine OCHC (3) could easy be in the mix.
Let the argument begin...
Oc3, Kings1 and Eagles all have a game in hand on several of those teams above them. This is closer than it already looks.
Seems he did the math and picked probables... Eagles still have a pretty tough road. If teams don't show up, a few upsets could change things a lot! Playoffs will become a whole new season!
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The Eagles have a very tough road: OC2, Gulls, and OC3. If the Gulls beat them, they may very well have to beat a team that has beaten them twice already just to make the playoffs. Eagles have had a great season, but they have not beaten any playoff contender to date. And the Gulls have wins against Ducks 2 and Kings 1. I would not pick the Eagles to miss the playoffs, but I see them finishing with 20 points instead of 22.
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Meanwhile, OC3, which some have predicted to be on the outside looking in caught a schedule where they play (or played) every contender and missed three teams that have a combined record of 6-28-2 and a combined goal differential of -115. I don't know if anyone had a stronger schedule but this one was pretty rough given what an extra 3-4 points would mean in the standings this season.
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Meanwhile, OC3, which some have predicted to be on the outside looking in caught a schedule where they play (or played) every contender and missed three teams that have a combined record of 6-28-2 and a combined goal differential of -115. I don't know if anyone had a stronger schedule but this one was pretty rough given what an extra 3-4 points would mean in the standings this season.
Strength of schedule has has a major role in this season. There are 5-6 teams that should have played BB. Some of the teams in the playoffs are not going to fair well because they appear to be better than they are. OC3 should be in the playoffs in place of some of the teams that played all of these BB teams and the ones out of a playoff spot. That said, you have to take care of business and can not blame strength of schedule.
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The Eagles have a very tough road: OC2, Gulls, and OC3. If the Gulls beat them, they may very well have to beat a team that has beaten them twice already just to make the playoffs. Eagles have had a great season, but they have not beaten any playoff contender to date. And the Gulls have wins against Ducks 2 and Kings 1. I would not pick the Eagles to miss the playoffs, but I see them finishing with 20 points instead of 22.
Two of the Eagles games are at the rink that should be condemned. They have only lost one regular season game in their barn. They have a tremendous home ice advantage as they know how to play on that horrible ice. I do not see them doping two games there.
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The one game lost was against the only top contending team that they have faced at home. Not sure how much of a real advantage they have there.
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To add, OC3 has been pushed for most of the year by their strong schedule. It seems to be paying dividends as they are playing a good brand of hockey now. I think OC already beat Eagles in pre-season on that ice..
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OC3 beat the Eagles 4 to 3 during pre-season.
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Has there been any updates to the injuries that a few teams have endured? Was told last weekend there was another knee injury to a kid who was looking at a solid chance of playing higher level hockey. Any thoughts as to how those injuries will effect the outcome of the season? Wasn't sure if the other child with the knee injury was a huge contributor to his team but hadn't heard an update as to how they are or how their absence effected their teams? Our Jr D friends thought one of them was one of their better players so was thinking that may shake things up too as we near the end of the season...
Any thoughts on tournaments next weekend?
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OC2 player who went down at game vs Ducks (1) is back on the ice. Fortunately, he did not suffer any serious injuries.
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Any picks for this week? Looks to be some good games. Good luck to everyone!
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ohh shoot! No pics this week!
Just a few things I'll be looking at this weekend:
Kings1 vs OCHC1: Should be a good game and has major playoff implications. OC1 seems to be playing some good hockey.
Eagles vs OC2: This should be a great game. OC2 is a physical team but the Eagles move the puck pretty well. Can the Eagles get a big win away from their home ice??
Wildcats3 vs OC3: OC3 is playing some good hockey right now and the Wildcats are on a 3 game win streak. I think this could be a closer game than expected.
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any updates so far? Bears over Jr Condors 13-6. Over under on score vs penalties called?
Any other updates?
Also voting is starting for who the last team to post scores will be?
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OC3 and Wildcats tied 2-2. OC3 had the winning goal in final minute or two waved off by ref without explanation. Refused to even come over and talk to OC coach. Very even game and refs let the teams play. WC goalie VERY strong. WC better than their record. Just a shame from OC standpoint, though. Tough road ahead with Runtso Ducks and Eagles.
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OC1 9-2 over Jr Kings1
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OC3 and Wildcats tied 2-2. OC3 had the winning goal in final minute or two waved off by ref without explanation. Refused to even come over and talk to OC coach. Very even game and refs let the teams play. WC goalie VERY strong. WC better than their record. Just a shame from OC standpoint, though. Tough road ahead with Runtso Ducks and Eagles.
Wow! Guess I missed a lot. I didn't even get my picks in. ;D I don't think WC is better than what their record shows. They have lost all their games against all of the top 4 teams. I think OC 3 is holding on by a thread. Will OC3 get the 8th spot. I think it will come down to the final games for OC3 and Kings 1 to see who gets that final spot.
Should be an interesting few last season games. Good luck! I always like to see the underdog move up in the standings. Makes for an interesting season. The squirt season is quite boring this season I have to say.
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OC3 and Wildcats tied 2-2. OC3 had the winning goal in final minute or two waved off by ref without explanation. Refused to even come over and talk to OC coach. Very even game and refs let the teams play. WC goalie VERY strong. WC better than their record. Just a shame from OC standpoint, though. Tough road ahead with Runtso Ducks and Eagles.
Wow! Guess I missed a lot. I didn't even get my picks in. ;D I don't think WC is better than what their record shows. They have lost all their games against all of the top 4 teams. I think OC 3 is holding on by a thread. Will OC3 get the 8th spot. I think it will come down to the final games for OC3 and Kings 1 to see who gets that final spot.
Should be an interesting few last season games. Good luck! I always like to see the underdog move up in the standings. Makes for an interesting season. The squirt season is quite boring this season I have to say.
Agree with 6607 WC are better than record. Only team to beat OC1 this season. OC1 bet Kings1 by score of 9-2.
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Let me slightly rephrase what I mean. No team is better than their record. It is earned and factual. But the same (or worse) won-loss record does not necessarily mean that a team with the same (or better record) is the better team when there is in imbalanced schedule. If you look past the Wildcats' record against the Top 4 teams to their record against the top 10, the Wildcats have a better (or equal) record compared to several playoff contenders or playoff-clinched teams; for example, the Kings and the Maple Leafs. And, yes, the Wildcats lost to the Top 4 teams, but unlike several teams, they had to play all 4 of the Top 4 teams. Two of their "do not plays" are Wave 2 and Kings 2. Let's take away games against Wave 2 and Kings 2 and sub in games against Top 4 teams and where might Kings 1 and MLs and maybe even OC1 be?
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I'd agree that WC are a stronger team than their record would indicate. The scores were close in most of their losses against the toughest teams, and they are the only team to beat OC1. OC2 loss seemed anomaly in their record with a 6-1 loss. With a current 4 pt difference from 1st to 8th, I think the whole "Top 4" comparison is out the window. The only thing about being Top 4 is their playoff spot secure at this point. Impressive division showing anything can happen on any given Sunday. Should be an interesting couple of weeks to see who can fill out the Top 8.
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Seriously, this round robin in a few weeks could be sick. Some good hockey on the horizon that's for sure.
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There is some pretty exciting hockey being played right now, too. Congrats to the teams that have clinched, you have all earned it, and good luck to the teams still in the hunt!
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Looking ahead to the playoffs, here are the Top 9 team's records against the Top 9 teams:
Ducks 2: 4-1. d/n/p Maple Leafs and OC1. Still to play OC3
Bears: 4-3. d/n/p Maples Leafs.
OC2: 2-2-2. d/n/p Kings 1 and OC1
Ducks 1: 2-3-1. d/n/p Eagles and Kings 1
OC1: 3-0-3. d/n/p OC2 and Ducks 2
Maple Leafs: 1-1-3. d/n/p Bears and Ducks 2
Eagles:0-2-3. d/n/p Kings 1 and Ducks 1. Still to play OC3
Kings 1: 0-4-1. d/n/p OC2, Eagles and Ducks 1.
OC3: 1-2-3. Still to play Ducks 2 and Eagles
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OC2 beat the Bears to win one of the PWA divisions in Phoenix. Ducks 1 lost in semis to Bears. A small OC3 squad made it to the semis in the other PWA division before losing to a bigger and better Colorado team that went on to take the championship. Very good showing by the SCAHA teams.
Heard there may have been some parental misbehavior at the San Diego tournament. Anyone got the details?
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Heard there may have been some parental misbehavior at the San Diego tournament. Anyone got the details?
Oh boy, heard the same thing! Anybody at SD Cal State Games, Escondido Iceoplex, PWA, Sunday 2/20/17, PWA game with pictures or story?
Allegedly a parent pushing/punching opposing team players and grabbing the goalie by his bucket?
Was given the opportunity to exit the arena in bracelets by 2 SD 👮 officers in a 4 door sedan with lights on top!
Pics & story please?!
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OC2 beat Ducks1 4 to 0 in semi final then beat Bears 1 to 0 to win pennant
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OC2 and Bears game was a lot of fun to watch as a disinterested spectator. Well done by OC2. Great to see such a close championship game. Playoffs should be very competitive.
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OC2 and Bears game was a lot of fun to watch as a disinterested spectator. Well done by OC2. Great to see such a close championship game. Playoffs should be very competitive.
The bears tying goal being waved off by the official had a huge impact on the outcome of that game, to say the least. Two refs only in AZ, one was 25 feet away from the action and blows the whistle when he lost sight. Then skates over to retrieve the puck from the inside of OC's net. Long way to go to have officiating decide a game rather than game play.
But...what's done is done. Congrats to OC.
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OC2 and Bears game was a lot of fun to watch as a disinterested spectator. Well done by OC2. Great to see such a close championship game. Playoffs should be very competitive.
The bears tying goal being waved off by the official had a huge impact on the outcome of that game, to say the least. Two refs only in AZ, one was 25 feet away from the action and blows the whistle when he lost sight. Then skates over to retrieve the puck from the inside of OC's net. Long way to go to have officiating decide a game rather than game play.
But...what's done is done. Congrats to OC.
Would have been great to see the OT format! 4vs4 for 2 min running clock, then 3vs3 for 2 min running clock... And you guessed it, followed by 2vs2 for 2 min running clock! The other PeeWee A division had this happen right before the game! It was WILD to say the least!
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2 on 2 on Olympic Ice seemed like a crazy way to decide a championship to me! Anyway, why was the Bears goal wave off?. I was watching from the lobby and was far from that net. Was it goalie interference? Also thought the Bears should have pulled goalie sooner.
So we know at Phoenix OC2 took a championship, Bears a finalist and Ducks 1 and OC2 were semifinalists. Heard Wave 1 won in Valencia? How did everyone else do?
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Hearing rumors of OCHC2 playing an unregistered goalie for the final game in AZ. Anyone have input on this?
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Not true, OCHC2 has had only one goalie all season and he played all games. The lack of goals scored against shows that he did a great job
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OC (3) and Ducks (2) tied 1-1. Other scores?
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OC (3) and Ducks (2) tied 1-1. Other scores?
I called it, OC3 is a tough team! Congrats on the Tie and battling into a playoff spot!
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Also seems the final game between Eagles and OC3 will be a big one too! Awesome hockey this season!
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Pound for pound that #35 goalie for OC3 is legit. He might be smaller but he battles and reads plays/ shots well..
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Pound for pound that #35 goalie for OC3 is legit. He might be smaller but he battles and reads plays/ shots well..
That kids tracks the puck like a pro!
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Does anyone know why the Wave1 vs OC2 game was a forfeit?
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Wave 1 went to Fargo, I believe
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Wave 1 went to Fargo, I believe
http://www.fargohockey.org/page/show/2828085-squirt-international
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Wave 1 went to Fargo, I believe
Wonder if they would have gone if they were in the middle of a playoff hunt??
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Wave 1 went to Fargo, I believe
Wonder if they would have gone if they were in the middle of a playoff hunt??
That is a Squirt level tournament. What happened to the kids on the team that are over-aged?
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Wave 1 went to Fargo, I believe
Wonder if they would have gone if they were in the middle of a playoff hunt??
That is a Squirt level tournament. What happened to the kids on the team that are over-aged?
Seems they don't care about the 05 kids?
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Wave 1 went to Fargo, I believe
Wonder if they would have gone if they were in the middle of a playoff hunt??
That is a Squirt level tournament. What happened to the kids on the team that are over-aged?
I understand that one of their goalies is an 04...
Seems they don't care about the 05 kids?
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I don't have any first hand information, but we heard about this weeks if not months ago. A W1 parent can correct this, but what we heard was that the intent to play Fargo was disclosed in advance to parents and that W1 was under impression that SCAHA would accommodate them on the schedule. Also believe that the tourney allow some 05s to play in Squirt division. Again, can't vouch for this.
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Not true, OCHC2 has had only one goalie all season and he played all games. The lack of goals scored against shows that he did a great job
Not making this up -- An OC2 parent told me they let one of their goalies go earlier this season. It was very clear from our conversation that they had more than one goalie rostered this year. If Avcadet statement is true, then that parent lied to me. But our conversation was very specific about why they let that other goalie go so not really sure what's going on.
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Here is some first hand info:
The Fargo tourney follows the Minnesota birth year, which means squirts for 2016/2017 includes anyone born on or after July 1, 2005. The parents of any kids on W1 born before that date were told before they signed LOI's that the team would be travelling to this tourney and that their kids were not eligible. But they were eligible for the Labor Day, Thanksgiving, New Year's, and President's Day tournaments so its not like they didn't get a lot of extra games in this season.
Also apparently SCAHA approved for them to have a bye week in order to travel that weekend. However, they still scheduled them for a game that weekend. W1 notified SCAHA that they had mistakenly scheduled them for a game on a weekend that they had already been told they could take off to travel. What do the ever so gracious schedulers at SCAHA do? Instead of fixing the schedule they just decide to rescind the scheduling accommodation.Scheduling is hard, fixing mistakes is even harder.Already bought your plane tickets? Sorry. Already made a tournament deposit? Well I guess that's your problem.
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Not true, OCHC2 has had only one goalie all season and he played all games. The lack of goals scored against shows that he did a great job
Not making this up -- An OC2 parent told me they let one of their goalies go earlier this season. It was very clear from our conversation that they had more than one goalie rostered this year. If Avcadet statement is true, then that parent lied to me. But our conversation was very specific about why they let that other goalie go so not really sure what's going on.
My statement is in error. OC2 had 2 goalies during pre-season and very early into the regular season. The one goalie was released and OC2 has played with the one goalie that played in Phoenix for almost all of the season.
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Thank you for clearing that up Avcadet
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Here is some first hand info:
The Fargo tourney follows the Minnesota birth year, which means squirts for 2016/2017 includes anyone born on or after July 1, 2005. The parents of any kids on W1 born before that date were told before they signed LOI's that the team would be travelling to this tourney and that their kids were not eligible. But they were eligible for the Labor Day, Thanksgiving, New Year's, and President's Day tournaments so its not like they didn't get a lot of extra games in this season.
Also apparently SCAHA approved for them to have a bye week in order to travel that weekend. However, they still scheduled them for a game that weekend. W1 notified SCAHA that they had mistakenly scheduled them for a game on a weekend that they had already been told they could take off to travel. What do the ever so gracious schedulers at SCAHA do? Instead of fixing the schedule they just decide to rescind the scheduling accommodation.Scheduling is hard, fixing mistakes is even harder.Already bought your plane tickets? Sorry. Already made a tournament deposit? Well I guess that's your problem.
SCAHA seems to forget that they work for the kids and their families.
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Here is some first hand info:
The Fargo tourney follows the Minnesota birth year, which means squirts for 2016/2017 includes anyone born on or after July 1, 2005. The parents of any kids on W1 born before that date were told before they signed LOI's that the team would be travelling to this tourney and that their kids were not eligible. But they were eligible for the Labor Day, Thanksgiving, New Year's, and President's Day tournaments so its not like they didn't get a lot of extra games in this season.
Also apparently SCAHA approved for them to have a bye week in order to travel that weekend. However, they still scheduled them for a game that weekend. W1 notified SCAHA that they had mistakenly scheduled them for a game on a weekend that they had already been told they could take off to travel. What do the ever so gracious schedulers at SCAHA do? Instead of fixing the schedule they just decide to rescind the scheduling accommodation.Scheduling is hard, fixing mistakes is even harder.Already bought your plane tickets? Sorry. Already made a tournament deposit? Well I guess that's your problem.
SCAHA does not reschedule games in B, BB, or A and they also don't take schedule requests, even if you give it to them before the schedule is released.
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SCAHA does not reschedule games in B, BB, or A and they also don't take schedule requests, even if you give it to them before the schedule is released.
SCAHA could easily do a better job if they wanted to. It is not rocket science to modify a schedule.
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It isn't much per family, but one can only wonder if SCAHA will also charge the $500 fee for the forfeit?
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Seems to be a common thread with the Wave and the scaha conspiracy of broken promises? 1st the Bantam team and now this..... wonder how this would have shaken out if Wave1 was in the playoff hunt though?
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It isn't much per family, but one can only wonder if SCAHA will also charge the $500 fee for the forfeit?
We the Riptide got hit with the 500 fine last year.
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Credit to OC1 for what they've done and I don't fault Wave 1. However, when there's 3 points between 1st and 7th, a lot of people would have liked to see that game played.
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Credit to OC1 for what they've done and I don't fault Wave 1. However, when there's 3 points between 1st and 7th, a lot of people would have liked to see that game played.
With 3 OC teams, it can get confusing sometimes but it was OC2 that got to sleep in due to lack of a game to play.
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Credit to OC1 for what they've done and I don't fault Wave 1. However, when there's 3 points between 1st and 7th, a lot of people would have liked to see that game played.
We would have as well. You can credit SCAHA with that. We made every attempt to reschedule that game from before the first day of the season including pay for the ice at the rink of their choice.
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Credit to OC1 for what they've done and I don't fault Wave 1. However, when there's 3 points between 1st and 7th, a lot of people would have liked to see that game played.
We would have as well. You can credit SCAHA with that. We made every attempt to reschedule that game from before the first day of the season including pay for the ice at the rink of their choice.
So they actually offered a waiver that they would give you a bye week that weekend or more like a promise? I'm really just curious because I remember the same thing with the Ducks team last year and they had to forfeit as well. But no talks of a "Waiver" though.
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To add a little confusing context, when my son's team (not the Wave) requested over the summer that they get a bye week on a particular weekend, we were told that SCAHA does not accept or grant such requests.
But Mo Icetime is spot on about the Wave organization. There were a lot of interesting story lines coming out of the Wave this year. In addition to this and the Bantam A/AA's, the Calder PWAA team was rendered ineligible for the playoffs due to PDR issues. And Ontario Wave families were only told a few days before tryouts last June that there would not be an AA team out of Ontario.
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Credit to OC1 for what they've done and I don't fault Wave 1. However, when there's 3 points between 1st and 7th, a lot of people would have liked to see that game played.
We would have as well. You can credit SCAHA with that. We made every attempt to reschedule that game from before the first day of the season including pay for the ice at the rink of their choice.
With all this talk going on, how did they do in Fargo ??
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Credit to OC1 for what they've done and I don't fault Wave 1. However, when there's 3 points between 1st and 7th, a lot of people would have liked to see that game played.
We would have as well. You can credit SCAHA with that. We made every attempt to reschedule that game from before the first day of the season including pay for the ice at the rink of their choice.
With all this talk going on, how did they do in Fargo ??
We went 3 wins and 2 OT losses to Hermantown and Edina. They definitely did not want a California team going deep into the brackets and gave us a super tough draw but California made a strong showing against the best they had there. Would have loved a shot at Chaska though. Definitely one of the best tournaments your kids could ever take part in.
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Maybe Wave 1 should of played Squirt A for this season since they did well in a squirt tournament. They might of had a better season and could of made playoffs.
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They were just fine at Pee Wee and won a Pee Wee A tournament the week before. There was nothing to be proven or accomplished by playing at Squirt A (and, of course, several of the players are not Squirt age). This team would have coasted through Squirt A while demolishing the competition.
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To add a little confusing context, when my son's team (not the Wave) requested over the summer that they get a bye week on a particular weekend, we were told that SCAHA does not accept or grant such requests.
But Mo Icetime is spot on about the Wave organization. There were a lot of interesting story lines coming out of the Wave this year. In addition to this and the Bantam A/AA's, the Calder PWAA team was rendered ineligible for the playoffs due to PDR issues. And Ontario Wave families were only told a few days before tryouts last June that there would not be an AA team out of Ontario.
This is a theme with the Wave year-in and year-out. Those of us who have been on this board and the previous one knows this to be true. The Wave ether do not understand the rules or believe they do not apply to them.
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They were just fine at Pee Wee and won a Pee Wee A tournament the week before. There was nothing to be proven or accomplished by playing at Squirt A (and, of course, several of the players are not Squirt age). This team would have coasted through Squirt A while demolishing the competition.
I disagree. They would of been a competitor for sure in Squirt A. I don't think they would of crushed all those teams. Remember I have a squirt player. They didn't make playoffs for PW A and were really competitive with the bottom half of the teams. They only had a few 04's and 05's that could of played on another team that wouldn't of had to forfeit a game. Instead their season is being cut short. Just think if they would of played Squirt A! They could of been on their way to playoffs and the experience of a state championship game. Instead they will be attending clinics.
Does anyone know the score of the Jr Kings 1 game?
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To add a little confusing context, when my son's team (not the Wave) requested over the summer that they get a bye week on a particular weekend, we were told that SCAHA does not accept or grant such requests.
But Mo Icetime is spot on about the Wave organization. There were a lot of interesting story lines coming out of the Wave this year. In addition to this and the Bantam A/AA's, the Calder PWAA team was rendered ineligible for the playoffs due to PDR issues. And Ontario Wave families were only told a few days before tryouts last June that there would not be an AA team out of Ontario.
This is a theme with the Wave year-in and year-out. Those of us who have been on this board and the previous one knows this to be true. The Wave ether do not understand the rules or believe they do not apply to them.
Come on SK !!!!
Sounds like someone a little bitter.
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They didn't make playoffs for PW A and were really competitive with the bottom half of the teams.
I know it bugs you that a team with a bunch of 06s played peewee A. And as much as you want to believe they were not competitive in the division, the fact of the matter is they were.
They beat Ducks 1 twice, Maple leafs (by 8 in a scrimmage), OCHC 3.
They tied Eagles and OCHC 1.
Those are playoff teams.
They lost to the Bears by 2 and the Ducks 2 by 1. Those are arguably the best two teams in the division and the Wave went toe to toe against them. (They never played OCHC 2).
Teams close to making the playoffs like the Gulls they beat three times and Wildcats twice.
To imply the team was only competitive with the bottom half of teams is just stupid.
Don't forget in the infinite wisdom of SCAHA we got to play the Bears and Ducks 2 on the same day 3 hours apart.
Then got to travel to the Eagles to play in a rink that isn't suitable for a Free skate.
Just to be clear there is not drama on our team or club. We applied for a tournament (FARGO) and were approved and then after we notified SCAHA that the tournament was approved but they had scheduled a game they revoked the tournament waiver. (all good live and learn I guess)
Don't worry Skates we will be fine. See everybody in the Spring
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To add a little confusing context, when my son's team (not the Wave) requested over the summer that they get a bye week on a particular weekend, we were told that SCAHA does not accept or grant such requests.
But Mo Icetime is spot on about the Wave organization. There were a lot of interesting story lines coming out of the Wave this year. In addition to this and the Bantam A/AA's, the Calder PWAA team was rendered ineligible for the playoffs due to PDR issues. And Ontario Wave families were only told a few days before tryouts last June that there would not be an AA team out of Ontario.
Not bitter, just an observation...
This is a theme with the Wave year-in and year-out. Those of us who have been on this board and the previous one knows this to be true. The Wave ether do not understand the rules or believe they do not apply to them.
Come on SK !!!!
Sounds like someone a little bitter.
Not bitter, just an observation...
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Seems weird to me as to why the schedule couldn't have been flip flopped as OC2 plays both Wave teams on their ice the last two weeks of the season. Seems like a pretty simple switch to accommodate the tournament.
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They didn't make playoffs for PW A and were really competitive with the bottom half of the teams.
I know it bugs you that a team with a bunch of 06s played peewee A. And as much as you want to believe they were not competitive in the division, the fact of the matter is they were.
They beat Ducks 1 twice, Maple leafs (by 8 in a scrimmage), OCHC 3.
They tied Eagles and OCHC 1.
Those are playoff teams.
They lost to the Bears by 2 and the Ducks 2 by 1. Those are arguably the best two teams in the division and the Wave went toe to toe against them. (They never played OCHC 2).
Teams close to making the playoffs like the Gulls they beat three times and Wildcats twice.
To imply the team was only competitive with the bottom half of teams is just stupid.
Arguably, OCHC2 is right up there with Ducks 2 who they beat 3 to 1 and Bears who they recently beat 1 to 0 in Phoenix. They are a very solid team.
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They didn't make playoffs for PW A and were really competitive with the bottom half of the teams.
I know it bugs you that a team with a bunch of 06s played peewee A. And as much as you want to believe they were not competitive in the division, the fact of the matter is they were.
They beat Ducks 1 twice, Maple leafs (by 8 in a scrimmage), OCHC 3.
They tied Eagles and OCHC 1.
Those are playoff teams.
They lost to the Bears by 2 and the Ducks 2 by 1. Those are arguably the best two teams in the division and the Wave went toe to toe against them. (They never played OCHC 2).
Teams close to making the playoffs like the Gulls they beat three times and Wildcats twice.
To imply the team was only competitive with the bottom half of teams is just stupid.
Actually the team might not be as good after all since they play the one kid 67 minutes a game (obvious daddy coach situation there) but give entertainment props to them as I think its the mom of same kid that has without question the second filthiest female mouth in So Cal Hockey....
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What team are you referring to?
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They didn't make playoffs for PW A and were really competitive with the bottom half of the teams.
I know it bugs you that a team with a bunch of 06s played peewee A. And as much as you want to believe they were not competitive in the division, the fact of the matter is they were.
They beat Ducks 1 twice, Maple leafs (by 8 in a scrimmage), OCHC 3.
They tied Eagles and OCHC 1.
Those are playoff teams.
They lost to the Bears by 2 and the Ducks 2 by 1. Those are arguably the best two teams in the division and the Wave went toe to toe against them. (They never played OCHC 2).
Teams close to making the playoffs like the Gulls they beat three times and Wildcats twice.
To imply the team was only competitive with the bottom half of teams is just stupid.
Arguably, OCHC2 is right up there with Ducks 2 who they beat 3 to 1 and Bears who they recently beat 1 to 0 in Phoenix. They are a very solid team.
If they were competitive, they would of made playoffs., and Rumor has it, the tournaments they won, they had kids added to their roster.
Anyhow, here are my final picks for today:
Wave 1 vs. OC1 : OC 1 by 3
Saints vs Jr. Ducks 2 - Jr. Ducks 2 by 5
OC2 vs Wave 2: OC2 by 4
OC 3 vs Eagles: Will OC3 be able to hold onto the 8th spot? (Game of the week!)
Kings 2 vs. condors - Condors by 2
Kings 1 vs Wave 3 - (Will Kings 1 be able to hold on for a chance at the 8th spot? They must win or tie this game and hope OC3 loses today - Game of the week)
Bears vs Gulls: Bears by 2
Blaze Vs Heat: Heat by 2
Good luck to everyone! And good luck to the top 8 teams!
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OC2 is a very strong team, and easily within the Top 3, and a strong case for number 1. The best games I have seen played this season involved the Bears and OC2, either against each other, or against my son's team. The Bears, I think, play a better brand of team hockey, but are too dependent on their top player in the close game. OC2 has more players who can score the go ahead goal but has more independent contractors. OC2 is also very physical. My guess is that refs will be less likely to make calls on these physical plays in the playoffs, which should work to OC2's advantage.
Regarding the Wave, there is a difference between being competitive and making the playoffs. Wave 1 was clearly a playoff contender for a lot of the season. If only the playoff teams were "competitive" and deserved to be in the division, then PWA would be like Squirt A this year where everybody makes the playoffs. And if you are going to pick on teams that should not have been in the division and who were not competitive, there are many better candidates.
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If they were competitive, they would of made playoffs.
What an absolutely asinine comment. Skates, you've been a hater all year. Why so mad, bro? Bummed your 06 ain't good enough?
Wave 1 lost to OC1 early this morning 3-5. They were down 0-3 but fought back. As an OC parent, I would say that they are competitive and good enough to have made the playoffs. They are one of the best skating teams in PWA in terms of speed and stick handling. The game was in doubt until the last minute when OC1 scored on an empty goal. They also have good balance across their lines.
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If they were competitive, they would of made playoffs.
What an absolutely asinine comment. Skates, you've been a hater all year. Why so mad, bro? Bummed your 06 ain't good enough?
Oops I hit a nerve! lol! Nah my Squirt didn't even try out for the Wave! Nor would I want him too. Take away 2 of their players and they would of been bottom 4. No I am not a hater, just too much hype about them when they didn't even make the playoffs.
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Seems weird to me as to why the schedule couldn't have been flip flopped as OC2 plays both Wave teams on their ice the last two weeks of the season. Seems like a pretty simple switch to accommodate the tournament.
I don't think flip flopping a schedule would of been possible. It is probably harder than you think and would of messed up a few other games. Not Scahas job to accommodate teams.
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Seems weird to me as to why the schedule couldn't have been flip flopped as OC2 plays both Wave teams on their ice the last two weeks of the season. Seems like a pretty simple switch to accommodate the tournament.
I don't think flip flopping a schedule would of been possible. It is probably harder than you think and would of messed up a few other games. Not Scahas job to accommodate teams.
My impression is that SCAHA has a no reschedule policy for a/b. Makes it easier to tell everyone NO. Just like I think they turndown every minor year play up appeal. Or so I've heard
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Nah my Squirt didn't even try out for the Wave!
Lol! Rocket your the idiot. I wouldn't have to worry about the ice time because my kid wouldn't even be picked because he wouldnt be one of the top 20 with stats to make the team! We didn't even try out or go to the clinics. We didn't even participate.
Seems to be a theme. You know your kid isn't good enough so why bother have him tryout. You know he's not going to make it anyway. Instead of just accepting he's behind in his birth year, you like to diss the kids in front of him because it makes you FEEL better.
Oh geez, somebody is hurt that I said their team wasn't competitive. Just my opinion. Doesn't mean you have to agree. My son didn't try out for that team, because one, we don't live close by and two, not a club I would want my son to play for. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Look at it this way, you have more time for golf now.
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If they were competitive, they would of made playoffs.
What an absolutely asinine comment. Skates, you've been a hater all year. Why so mad, bro? Bummed your 06 ain't good enough?
Oops I hit a nerve! lol! Nah my Squirt didn't even try out for the Wave! Nor would I want him too. Take away 2 of their players and they would of been bottom 4. No I am not a hater, just too much hype about them when they didn't even make the playoffs.
Skates, often enjoy your comments but good grief, if someone took away the top two skaters from any PWA team, PWAA team or even PWAAA team, that team would be very different. We have experience with all 3 levels in the last two seasons. My impression is that Wave 1 had more consistency from top to bottom of the roster than most of the playoff teams. That reflects not just good recruiting or whatever one wants to call it, but effective coaching. PWA teams all have some really talented kids and weaknesses at the bottom of roster.
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If they were competitive, they would of made playoffs.
What an absolutely asinine comment. Skates, you've been a hater all year. Why so mad, bro? Bummed your 06 ain't good enough?
Oops I hit a nerve! lol! Nah my Squirt didn't even try out for the Wave! Nor would I want him too. Take away 2 of their players and they would of been bottom 4. No I am not a hater, just too much hype about them when they didn't even make the playoffs.
Skates, often enjoy your comments but good grief, if someone took away the top two skaters from any PWA team, PWAA team or even PWAAA team, that team would be very different. We have experience with all 3 levels in the last two seasons. My impression is that Wave 1 had more consistency from top to bottom of the roster than most of the playoff teams. That reflects not just good recruiting or whatever one wants to call it, but effective coaching. PWA teams all have some really talented kids and weaknesses at the bottom of roster.
I actually agree with you about minus some kids the dynamics of a team changes. But I do think the top 4 teams actually have 90% of kids that contribute to the team and that's why they are the top 4. I just don't think they were as good as all the hype was. And good coaches are coaches that can by the end of the season have pulled up those weaker kids to be in the 90%. I am not sure which coach you are talking about was good. They seemed to not have a steady coach, just a dad coach.
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As a way to derail this circus...Any news from the Kings 1 game? Things very intersting after soem early results today.
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Wave 3 beat Kings 1. OC3 lost a really exciting game to Eagles 4 to 3. OC3 takes 8th seed.
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My son didn't try out for that team, because one, we don't live close by and two, not a club I would want my son to play for. And three, he wouldn't make it.
Makes sense.
Okay you got me, if that makes you feel better so you can move on.
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Wave 3 beat Kings 1. OC3 lost a really exciting game to Eagles 4 to 3. OC3 takes 8th seed.
;D OC 3 held on by one point. Will they be able to handle the pressure of playoffs? What does their stats look like with the top 4 teams?
1. Bears
2. OCHC 2
3. Ducks 2
4. Eagles
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Wave 3 beat Kings 1. OC3 lost a really exciting game to Eagles 4 to 3. OC3 takes 8th seed.
;D OC 3 held on by one point. Will they be able to handle the pressure of playoffs? What does their stats look like with the top 4 teams?
1. Bears
2. OCHC 2
3. Ducks 2
4. Eagles
Strange that it now says OC2 only played 13 games and is at 20 points? What's that about?
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Skates, the record against the Top 4 is beside the point, but I'll look into it. The more relevant stat is their record against the 1, 4 and 5 seeds.
If my tabulations are correct, counting tourneys, pre season and regular season, the Bears are 4-1 against their first round competition, the Eagles are 1-5-1, OC1 is 2-1-2 and OC3 is 3-3-1. These were hastily put together, so not saying they are 100% accurate. That being said, how does one assess how teams are currently playing? OC3 is playing great, but is also down one of their top forwards who broke his wrist at Phoenix. Btw, the Eagles looked like a much improved team over when we saw them over Labor Day and in the pre-season.
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Anyone know the score for the Bears - Jr Gulls game?
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Bears won 7-1
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Skates, you ask how will OC3 handle the pressure of the playoffs. The issue is not pressure. As an 8th seed, they are the official underdog in all of their games here on out. I don't expect them to feel any extra pressure. They had to play there way in against the toughest schedule in PWA this year; this cost them standing points and a higher seeding, but it spurred a lot of development and has accustomed them to playing tough competition and close games. After losing the first two games of the season, every game was a must win. I'm admittedly biased, but I think they are pretty tough for an 8th seed. Should be a lot of fun this weekend!
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Skates, you ask how will OC3 handle the pressure of the playoffs. The issue is not pressure. As an 8th seed, they are the official underdog in all of their games here on out. I don't expect them to feel any extra pressure. They had to play there way in against the toughest schedule in PWA this year; this cost them standing points and a higher seeding, but it spurred a lot of development and has accustomed them to playing tough competition and close games. After losing the first two games of the season, every game was a must win. I'm admittedly biased, but I think they are pretty tough for an 8th seed. Should be a lot of fun this weekend!
they have nothing to lose...it's the first place team that will have all the pressure. Just ask GSE2 Peewee AA who lost to the 8th seed OCHC and they are now out of the playoffs.
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Skates, you ask how will OC3 handle the pressure of the playoffs. The issue is not pressure. As an 8th seed, they are the official underdog in all of their games here on out. I don't expect them to feel any extra pressure. They had to play there way in against the toughest schedule in PWA this year; this cost them standing points and a higher seeding, but it spurred a lot of development and has accustomed them to playing tough competition and close games. After losing the first two games of the season, every game was a must win. I'm admittedly biased, but I think they are pretty tough for an 8th seed. Should be a lot of fun this weekend!
Not quite sure you're familiar with the term "must-win". For a team that won only 6 of their 15 games, it's hard to say that they played that many must-wins. Unfortunately for OC3, there are no ties in playoffs, you actually need to WIN games now and you don't get the added benefit of playing bottom feeders anymore. OC3 has only 1 win against the top 10 teams this season. I don't see them lasting too long.
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Wow, blew OC3 out of the water. Congrats to OC3 but realistically they are the huge underdogs, with very little odds in going further. They had the worst offense of the top 8 with only 47, compared to the other teams. 6 of the 8 teams have over 60 and 4 of those teams almost hit 80 goals (pending scores)....... speaking of goals OC2 hit the wave with 15, was that really necessary???????????? seems pretty classless move by the coach................
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Wow, blew OC3 out of the water. Congrats to OC3 but realistically they are the huge underdogs, with very little odds in going further. They had the worst offense of the top 8 with only 47, compared to the other teams. 6 of the 8 teams have over 60 and 4 of those teams almost hit 80 goals (pending scores)....... speaking of goals OC2 hit the wave with 15, was that really necessary? ??? ??? ??? ?? seems pretty classless move by the coach................
That Wave team gave up 110 goals in 14 games. No disrespect to them but they simply weren't very good in this division and seems to me that any team could put up 10 on them with little problem. OCHC2 is one of the top 3 teams in the division. Should the coach tell the kids to stop playing?
Our team put up a lot of goals a few times this season. At 7 goals up our coach would switch offense to defense and vice versa. Made the kids make 3 passes before shooting on goal, and yet we would still be able to score pretty much at will on weaker teams. Does this make a coach classless? What would you do in that situation?
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With regard to the playoffs this weekend, you've got 3 points separating the 1st seed from the 7th. Should be an awesome weekend and good luck to all the teams who made the postseason. Should be a lot of fun for the kids.
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Wow, blew OC3 out of the water. Congrats to OC3 but realistically they are the huge underdogs, with very little odds in going further. They had the worst offense of the top 8 with only 47, compared to the other teams. 6 of the 8 teams have over 60 and 4 of those teams almost hit 80 goals (pending scores)....... speaking of goals OC2 hit the wave with 15, was that really necessary? ??? ??? ??? ?? seems pretty classless move by the coach................
That Wave team gave up 110 goals in 14 games. No disrespect to them but they simply weren't very good in this division and seems to me that any team could put up 10 on them with little problem. OCHC2 is one of the top 3 teams in the division. Should the coach tell the kids to stop playing?
Our team put up a lot of goals a few times this season. At 7 goals up our coach would switch offense to defense and vice versa. Made the kids make 3 passes before shooting on goal, and yet we would still be able to score pretty much at will on weaker teams. Does this make a coach classless? What would you do in that situation?
Keep in mind that OCHC2 did not play last weekend due to Wave1 forfeit. The game yesterday represented the last opportunity to play a game before the play-offs begin. OCHC2 had their game face on and executed play at their best in order to be prepared for next week. Wave2 did put up a fight and were respected for that.
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Bystander, you are right that I didn't parse my words carefully enough. A much more accurate description would have been "can't lose" situation, which was true for all their games from November until 10 a.m. yesterday. But it really isn't accurate to imply that the team with the hardest schedule got fat on bottom feeders. There are only 5 teams that term could fairly describe and OC3 didn't even play 3 of them. And if you dig a little deeper you will see they had a winning record against 2 of their first round opponents.
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Wow, blew OC3 out of the water. Congrats to OC3 but realistically they are the huge underdogs, with very little odds in going further. They had the worst offense of the top 8 with only 47, compared to the other teams. 6 of the 8 teams have over 60 and 4 of those teams almost hit 80 goals (pending scores)....... speaking of goals OC2 hit the wave with 15, was that really necessary? ??? ??? ??? ?? seems pretty classless move by the coach................
I think it would of been necessary for stats. If OC2 could of racked up the score to 21 goals, it might of put OC2 in first place above the Bears instead of 2nd. 1st and second seed is a difference of a few goals.
Good Luck to everyone in the playoffs!
I pretty sure the 1st tie breaker is wins, then it goes to Goal Differential. Also, to your point... Goal differential maxes out at 7 goals in a game to keep the blowouts from reaching the 21-0 mark. :o :o :o [size=78%] [/size]
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Wow, blew OC3 out of the water. Congrats to OC3 but realistically they are the huge underdogs, with very little odds in going further. They had the worst offense of the top 8 with only 47, compared to the other teams. 6 of the 8 teams have over 60 and 4 of those teams almost hit 80 goals (pending scores)....... speaking of goals OC2 hit the wave with 15, was that really necessary? ??? ??? ??? ?? seems pretty classless move by the coach................
I think it would of been necessary for stats. If OC2 could of racked up the score to 21 goals, it might of put OC2 in first place above the Bears instead of 2nd. 1st and second seed is a difference of a few goals.
Good Luck to everyone in the playoffs!
I pretty sure the 1st tie breaker is wins, then it goes to Goal Differential. Also, to your point... Goal differential maxes out at 7 goals in a game to keep the blowouts from reaching the 21-0 mark. :o :o :o
I think 2nd tie breaker is head to head. Also I don't think the weekly standing alway correctly reflect tie-breakers.
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Just ask GSE2 Peewee AA who lost to the 8th seed OCHC and they are now out of the playoffs.
9th seed baby, 9th seed! Get it right bro ;D
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Can someone please from Jr Gulls land please remind the manager to post the scores?
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Round robin play is 1,4,5,8 and 2,3,6,7
Play off prediction:
1. OCHC (2) 25 points (tie breaker head-to-head)
2. Ducks (2) 25 points
3. Bears 24 points
4. Ducks (1) 23 Points
5. Eagles 22 points
6. Maple Leafs 21 points
7. OCHC (1) 20 points
8. Kings (1) 19 points
The top 3 are set, may be a different order. 4 and 5 could switch but, they will be in the same bracket so... 6-8 are much more difficult to determine OCHC (3) could easy be in the mix.
Let the argument begin...
After applying the tie breaker rules in section 34.9 of the SCAHA Guidebook. http://www.scaha.com/scaha/downloads/SCAHA-Guidebook.pdf
There is a three way tie for 1st between Bears, OCHC (2) and Jr Ducks (2) and a two way tie between Jr Ducks (1) and Maple Leafs.
I believe the following will be the standing after tie breaker rules are applied.
1) Bears - Most Wins
2) OCHC (2) - Point Differential
3) Jr Ducks (2)
4) Eagles
5) OCHC (1)
6) Jr Ducks (1) - Most Wins
7) Maple Leafs
8) OCHC (3)
Was not that far off...
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What I'd give for a magic eight ball right now. Dude if you can predict the 2 finalists, let alone the eventual champ, you will truly be the amazing kreskin of this site.
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What I'd give for a magic eight ball right now. Dude if you can predict the 2 finalists, let alone the eventual champ, you will truly be the amazing kreskin of this site.
I'll bite...
OCHC (2) and Ducks (2) in the finals.
Roll the dice on who wins but, I will go with Ducks (2).
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Skatingdad, don't think your prediction will work.
OCHC2 and Ducks2 are in the same bracket, so they could play in the semi's but not the finals.
Finals are bracket 1 winner vs bracket 2 winner.
And while anything can happen on any given Saturday or Sunday, we're probably looking at Bears vs OCHC2, with Bears taking the title in a grudgematch/rematch of their Arizona championship game.
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Skatingdad, not sure that your prediction is even possible.
OCHC2 and Ducks2 are in the same bracket, so they could play in the semi's but not the finals.
Finals are bracket 1 winner vs bracket 2 winner.
I think semis are bracket 1 #1 v bracket 2 #2 and bracket 2 #1 vs bracket 1 #2
Therefore teams in the same bracket can only meet again in SCAHA final?
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Ooops. That's my bad.
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Why do i feel the Maple Leafs will be playing that last Sunday?
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Defense wins championships
The teams withe the lowest goals against an lowest shots against will usually do the best. That is what I based by picks on.
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Based on an partially informed eye test: OC2 and Bears make it to semi's and, based only on results, Ducks 2. The final team is OC1. They have a good defense but are a streaky team. In reality, any 4 teams could make it out of the quarterfinals. An untimely penalty, a fast or slow whistle in front of a goal, or a bad call could determine any game. It depends on who comes to play for the most games. It should be a great hockey weekend.
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One of the benefits of the schedule OC3 was handed is that we got to see all of the playoff teams. Runtso/Ducks 2 whom we have played three times counting tourneys, pre season and the season, more than passes the eye test. They play the most complete team game that we have seen. OC2 is very deep and a team full of big kids with strong legs. They feasted on the lowest five teams, but I think their physical style of play will be a major advantage in the playoffs. Ducks 1 has proven they can upset the best teams. MLs, I believe, did not beat any of the playoff teams in the regular season, but stayed in all of their games. Tough to pick against Bears or OC2 in that bracket.
Bears are the most formidable team, IMHO. Very good team but perhaps too dependent on their star. Suspect that at least one team will play a match up game there, and it will be interesting to see what happens. They are the clear favorite in their bracket. After that, I think its up for grabs. OC3 and Eagles played three 4-3 games, with OC3 winning two. OC3 and OC1 played two games, with OC3 winning one and tying the other. Eagles and OC1 tied their SCAHA game, and OC 1 beat Eagles in the Labor Day tourney. But Eagles look really strong right now. I think the most critical game is the first game of the playoffs - Eagles/OC1. Loser of that game has to beat the Bears to advance.
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Agree, OC1 - Eagles is probably the key game for each. It is 7:30 am game and OC1 is not a good early morning team. Last time they played, Eagles went up by 3 early but OC1 clawed there way back to tie. Both times, apparently, are improved. Should be a great game.
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I looked at how many games vs. other top 8 teams each of the top 8 played and here are the results
Bears: 6
OCHC2: 6
Ducks2: 5
Eagles: 6
OCHC1: 5
Ducks1: 6
Maple Leafs: 5
OCHC3: 7
1 team played one more game than most while 3 teams played one game less than most. In my opinion, I don't think there were really any harder or easier schedules. The reality is that play-offs are a completely new game and the end results will be based on who wants the win the most (and a little luck). Good luck to all!
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Happy Playoffs! May the teams do their best and have fun! Remember to hydrate the kids!
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G1 Eagles over OC1 5-3
G2 Bears over OC3 4-1
Any other results?
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OC2 over ML 2-1
D1 over D2 3-0
Bears Over OC1 7-4
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Looks like Eagles won today also.. should be a great 2nd day of hockey!
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Moving on...
Bears
Maple Leafs
Eagles
OCHC2
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Eagles the only team to exit first round without a loss.
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Wow! What a weekend. No Ducks1. What happened to the Ducks2? Can't believe the Leafs and Eagles are in semi finals.
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Eagles played really well and were down at least in two games and fought back. As an outside observer, I like the Eagles a lot. Their game with the Bears was outstanding PWA hockey.
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Eh. Nothing against the Eagles at all but it was less about their 'outstanding PWA hockey' and more about the Bears lack of focus. Bears pretty much dominated them the entire game EXCEPT for a 40 second stretch very late in the third period. Bears were up 4-2 with about 3 minutes remaining and then in a 45 second stretch gave up 3 very quick goals which was less about amazing play by the Eagles and more about the Bears thinking they had the game in hand. Uncharacteristic of them for sure but of course they are 11-12 and these things are bound to occur at the worst possible times. And yes the Eagles took full advantage so kudos to them. Good luck to all semi final teams next week.
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Bears are without a doubt a great team and its all well and fine for the team to tell itself that they dominated but lost. Bottom line is that Bears didn't just lose the game in a 45 second stretch. They lost when they did not put the game out of reach in the span during which you believe they were dominating. And for all the Bears just lost focus for 45 seconds mantra, the flip side is that while the Bears did not keep focus while they were on the way to the win, the Eagles kept their focus while losing. Congrats and good luck to both teams!
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Speaking of keeping focus, WTH happened to OC2??????????? what a smackdown!!!!!!!! 8-2 ??????? pretty embarrassing at this stage of the game. Not very elite or dominant as they were considered to be I guess..............
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Bears are without a doubt a great team and its all well and fine for the team to tell itself that they dominated but lost. Bottom line is that Bears didn't just lose the game in a 45 second stretch. They lost when they did not put the game out of reach in the span during which you believe they were dominating. And for all the Bears just lost focus for 45 seconds mantra, the flip side is that while the Bears did not keep focus while they were on the way to the win, the Eagles kept their focus while losing. Congrats and good luck to both teams!
Haha. Okay then. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Yep. Btw, the best games I saw played all year were by the Bears. Looks like what I thought would be the final is now a semifinal. Good luck!
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Speaking of keeping focus, WTH happened to OC2? ??? ??? ??? ? what a smackdown!!!!!!!! 8-2 ??? ??? ? pretty embarrassing at this stage of the game. Not very elite or dominant as they were considered to be I guess..............
It was a nothing game for OC2 and the last game of the season for Ducks 2.
It would appear that the Ducks 2 played lose which they should have done for the two previous games.
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So what you are saying is OC2 didnt care about this game and were willing to accept 8 goals in the process instead of playing with pride, going undefeated, and proving why they where considered top contenders??????? Not very logical IMO. I get it to some point (not really) its a nothing game at that point. But 8 goals???? and you only score 2???? Bears should have a feast on this team....... Bears Vs Leafs in the final
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I'll say that with both Eagles and Bears playing knowing they were both going to advance; they both played strong and credit to both coaches and kids for that. They played like it was win or go home and to 6677 point - Although Bears had majority puck control throughout the game, you have to give credit to the Eagles for keeping it out of the net during that stretch! They never gave up and it's a lesson learned... Just glad that lesson didn't cost the kids from moving on to the next round! LOL!
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Eagles Over Leafs..... Bears over OC2 (because OC will take a bad penalty at a very bad time and it will cost them).
Bears over Eagles in final in what will be a very good game.
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Well skates by the quick and defensive reply im sure you must have some stock in this team. Was it too soon for you? Is that but whipping still a ache?
Now speaking of sitting on the couch, if you had time to go through my posts I pity your pathetic life. Your probably some fat NHL wannabe dad who sucked and now is sitting at home stuffing ding dongs in your mouth as you pretend they are pucks. You live vicariously through your kid and can't stand to be called out on a 8-2 score that probably makes you think and have flashbacks of your own failures on the ice....
Now as far as jealousy for your team, none, zero buddy. I wouldn't want my kids on your team full of drama. Parents fighting parents, parents trying to fight referees, parents talking trash to kids on other teams, and a coach who stirred up his own drama in Phoenix and made the team and club look bad... yes not a very good role model for kids their. I know about that too skates.... and you can keep it all
Skates get a life....it's a post on a surprising score that I'm sure a lot of people did not expect....
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Wildwinger you seem to be a OC2 hater and real curious about them, because if you look at all of your posts, you are always first to post their score for the weekend. You must be extremely jealous of this team. They must of beat your team and must be sitting on the couch eating potato chips because your team didn't even make it to the playoffs. But for you to say they are not elite or dominant, just shows for some reason you must be jealous!!
Oops! Wildwinger hit a nerve! lol!
Oh my, wildwinger didn't hit a nerve, buy you just did. Just because I look at stats, and know that kids are kids, you assume wildwinger hit a nerve. I just think that grown adults that live through their kids, like wildwinger, have to degrade other kids to make them feel better and to keep the focus on their Johnny. Wildwinger is probably sitting back making excuses why their team did not make playoffs. Because it couldn't be their Johnnys fault, since their kid is the superstar.
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Hahahahahaha!!!! You folks are hi-larious!
Lookit, to some extent we all live vicariously through our kids and if you think you don't you're lying to yourself. For me personally it's NHL or bust. Anything less than that would be a total and complete failure both by me and my kid. I put a ton of pressure on him and am very critical of his gameplay, but I find that's the only way to get him to improve. Sometimes if he plays particularly bad I'll withhold a meal. I also find it effective to yell at him in front of his teammates. To my thinking youth hockey isn't about fun, it's about molding a future NHL player. But that's just what works for me and my kid. And if you doubt my methods I don't care. We're still playing so it's clear to me I'm doing something right.
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Hahahahahaha!!!! You folks are hi-larious!
Lookit, to some extent we all live vicariously through our kids and if you think you don't you're lying to yourself. For me personally it's NHL or bust. Anything less than that would be a total and complete failure both by me and my kid. I put a ton of pressure on him and am very critical of his gameplay, but I find that's the only way to get him to improve. Sometimes if he plays particularly bad I'll withhold a meal. I also find it effective to yell at him in front of his teammates. To my thinking youth hockey isn't about fun, it's about molding a future NHL player. But that's just what works for me and my kid. And if you doubt my methods I don't care. We're still playing so it's clear to me I'm doing something right.
Are you in favor of car coaching? Is it best just to tell your child to ignore the coach and listen to you? I think we can all learn from what you have figured out.
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Are you in favor of car coaching? Is it best just to tell your child to ignore the coach and listen to you? I think we can all learn from what you have figured out.
Well let's face it, most of these coaches really have no idea what they're doing or talking about. So while I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm into car coaching my son knows that when his coach is full of it he can basically ignore whatever the guy says. I know you're being sarcastic saying you could learn from me, but the truth is you really could learn from me. My kid is a bonafide star and for certain a future NHL'er so I say unto you -- isn't it obvious I'm on the right track??
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Well skates by the quick and defensive reply im sure you must have some stock in this team. Was it too soon for you? Is that but whipping still a ache?
Now speaking of sitting on the couch, if you had time to go through my posts I pity your pathetic life. Your probably some fat NHL wannabe dad who sucked and now is sitting at home stuffing ding dongs in your mouth as you pretend they are pucks. You live vicariously through your kid and can't stand to be called out on a 8-2 score that probably makes you think and have flashbacks of your own failures on the ice....
Now as far as jealousy for your team, none, zero buddy. I wouldn't want my kids on your team full of drama. Parents fighting parents, parents trying to fight referees, parents talking trash to kids on other teams, and a coach who stirred up his own drama in Phoenix and made the team and club look bad... yes not a very good role model for kids their. I know about that too skates.... and you can keep it all
Skates get a life....it's a post on a surprising score that I'm sure a lot of people did not expect....
Classic post !!
Top 10......brought a tear to my eye......Shades of Zamboni Driver with less mizsspellingz.
BACK TO THE SQ THREAD SKATES !!
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Okay... These kids are 11-12! Every team in this division has lost a game thus, it has been proven that there are days that the "top" teams have off games. Every team has had a game they wish they could erase or done something different. Everyone of you have made mistakes in your own lives and I sure hope the people who have observed your mistakes don't treat you like some of you have treated these kids. They all work really hard day in and day out. For anyone to judge a team because they lost, shouldn't be allowing their kid to play as your kids have all lost! Instead of bashing teams because they have done well and lost a few games, why don't you give credit where credit is deserved, they all deserve it! Hockey is a sacrafice to many kids who pass on bday parties and sleepovers to play the sport. They all put hours upon hours of practice to be where they are. Good luck to the remaining teams!
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Well skates by the quick and defensive reply im sure you must have some stock in this team. Was it too soon for you? Is that but whipping still a ache?
Now speaking of sitting on the couch, if you had time to go through my posts I pity your pathetic life. Your probably some fat NHL wannabe dad who sucked and now is sitting at home stuffing ding dongs in your mouth as you pretend they are pucks. You live vicariously through your kid and can't stand to be called out on a 8-2 score that probably makes you think and have flashbacks of your own failures on the ice....
Now as far as jealousy for your team, none, zero buddy. I wouldn't want my kids on your team full of drama. Parents fighting parents, parents trying to fight referees, parents talking trash to kids on other teams, and a coach who stirred up his own drama in Phoenix and made the team and club look bad... yes not a very good role model for kids their. I know about that too skates.... and you can keep it all
Skates get a life....it's a post on a surprising score that I'm sure a lot of people did not expect....
Classic post !!
Top 10......brought a tear to my eye......Shades of Zamboni Driver with less mizsspellingz.
BACK TO THE SQ THREAD SKATES !!
I think I am in Love. Just picked up some Ding Dong for the ride home.
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Are you in favor of car coaching? Is it best just to tell your child to ignore the coach and listen to you? I think we can all learn from what you have figured out.
Well let's face it, most of these coaches really have no idea what they're doing or talking about. So while I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm into car coaching my son knows that when his coach is full of it he can basically ignore whatever the guy says. I know you're being sarcastic saying you could learn from me, but the truth is you really could learn from me. My kid is a bonafide star and for certain a future NHL'er so I say unto you -- isn't it obvious I'm on the right track??
This s so awesome. Whether or not you are joking is irrelevant to me. Love it.
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lol.. agree!! This is good comedy! Ding Dongs for hockey pucks!! That's totally me! LOL there's
some good entertainment value here. Stick taps for everyone!!
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I know that Nirradus has been using this the last few seasons and had a lot of success with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE
:P
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I know that Nirradus has been using this the last few seasons and had a lot of success with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE)
:P
Then you should also know that my son is deaf so I think your attempt at humor is more cruel than funny. Obviously he'd have no use for something like that. You're a hurtful person.
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I know that Nirradus has been using this the last few seasons and had a lot of success with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE)
:P
Been considering these for a while now. How is the battery life? Do they pick up signals from other parents sometimes? If I am yelling skate faster and some other parent yells the puck is at your feet, I think he may just get confused.
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I know that Nirradus has been using this the last few seasons and had a lot of success with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE)
:P
Been considering these for a while now. How is the battery life? Do they pick up signals from other parents sometimes? If I am yelling skate faster and some other parent yells the puck is at your feet, I think he may just get confused.
Use an electric shock dog collar instead. Can be worn under a neck guard without anyone noticing. If the kid does something wrong a quick zap would get him heading back in the right direction.
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I know that Nirradus has been using this the last few seasons and had a lot of success with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE)
:P
Been considering these for a while now. How is the battery life? Do they pick up signals from other parents sometimes? If I am yelling skate faster and some other parent yells the puck is at your feet, I think he may just get confused.
Use an electric shock dog collar instead. Can be worn under a neck guard without anyone noticing. If the kid does something wrong a quick zap would get him heading back in the right direction.
Brilliant! It can also serve as a neck guard multi use tool.
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I know that Nirradus has been using this the last few seasons and had a lot of success with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPi35iEvjgE)
:P
Then you should also know that my son is deaf so I think your attempt at humor is more cruel than funny. Obviously he'd have no use for something like that. You're a hurtful person.
Cmon now we both know that selective hearing is a choice not a handicap!
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If a kid is deaf and playing hockey, I am as impressed as hell with that kid and his character and drive. Via con Dios.
As for talking to your kid on the ice, I think anything beyond "Put in your freaking mouthguard" is borderline psychotic.
There was a dad yelling at his kid, the team's goalie, throughout our playoff game last Sunday. The kid gave up 5 on 52 shots and he had no D to speak of. He did pretty damn well and would have done better without the yelling.
I REALLY wanted to say something, I felt really bad for him, but I'm in enough trouble already.
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There are deaf hockey players and there is a camp established by Hall of Fame member Stan Mikita. If you know of a deaf or hard of hearing player pass along the information. It takes place every summer in Chicago. I believe the costs are very affordable:
http://www.usadeafhockey.org/teams/default.asp?u=AHIHA&s=hockey&p=custom&pagename=Summer+Hockey+Camp
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Okay... These kids are 11-12! Every team in this division has lost a game thus, it has been proven that there are days that the "top" teams have off games. Every team has had a game they wish they could erase or done something different. Everyone of you have made mistakes in your own lives and I sure hope the people who have observed your mistakes don't treat you like some of you have treated these kids. They all work really hard day in and day out. For anyone to judge a team because they lost, shouldn't be allowing their kid to play as your kids have all lost! Instead of bashing teams because they have done well and lost a few games, why don't you give credit where credit is deserved, they all deserve it! Hockey is a sacrafice to many kids who pass on bday parties and sleepovers to play the sport. They all put hours upon hours of practice to be where they are. Good luck to the remaining teams!
Well said!!
Again good luck to all teams!
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Skates, I thought you were done with this . You must of ran out of ding dongs cause your hands are free to type another post. Simple on a surprising 8-2? I'm sure a few people were wondering the same thing. If it offended you oh f#$@ well. If it's not your team why are you crying about it? Oh yeah you ran out of ding dongs..... some wallmarts are open 24 hours go grab another box and stop by the sporting goods section and get a pair while you're add it..... you whine like you're missing some.....
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There are deaf hockey players and there is a camp established by Hall of Fame member Stan Mikita. If you know of a deaf or hard of hearing player pass along the information. It takes place every summer in Chicago. I believe the costs are very affordable:
http://www.usadeafhockey.org/teams/default.asp?u=AHIHA&s=hockey&p=custom&pagename=Summer+Hockey+Camp (http://www.usadeafhockey.org/teams/default.asp?u=AHIHA&s=hockey&p=custom&pagename=Summer+Hockey+Camp)
So a couple of things -- first off, yes this is a great event. We Know a family who has a couple of hearing impaired kids and they have attended this and raved about the experience.
2nd, just to let people in on the joke, Nirradus knows who I am and vice versa, and our sons have played together in the past and are friends. His kid hears fine. :o
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Update on Leafs/Eagles game this morning? The Bears are just wondering who they'll be playing next weekend.
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Eagles
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It was a classic really fun game eagles won in double OT
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So it's going to be OC2 v. Eagles next week. Should be an exciting game!
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What was the score? Thought the bears would win but at this point all the teams are so good flip a coin
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OCHC 3 Bears 2
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Update on Leafs/Eagles game this morning? The Bears are just wondering who they'll be playing next weekend.
Uh...nobody, OCHC2 made sure of that
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Oh ouchie Avcadet. You're such a wit.
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Oh ouchie Avcadet. You're such a wit.
The Bears played a good game but OCHC played better and went away with the win. Plain and simple, no tricks, bad ref calls, etc.
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Absolutely! Congrats to OCHC2 and good luck to them next week in finals and also states.
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You win some you lose some. What's important is teaching my kid to be a good sport either way regardless of whether the team that beat them today had one #17 goalie throughout the season or two.
Right Avcadet? Wink wink...
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You win some you lose some. What's important is teaching my kid to be a good sport either way regardless of whether the team that beat them today had one #17 goalie throughout the season or two.
Right Avcadet? Wink wink...
I am sure that one and only #17 parents would be insulted by a remark like that.
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You win some you lose some. What's important is teaching my kid to be a good sport either way regardless of whether the team that beat them today had one #17 goalie throughout the season or two.
Right Avcadet? Wink wink...
So are they sandbagging a goalie using the same #? we tied them this year and their goalie stood on his head.
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Skates, its not really fair or accurate to belittle the Wave or their competition as lower tier. Wave tied OCHC 1 and beat OCHC 3 in a close game. These may not be top teams in your view, but they certainly cannot be characterized as lower end teams. Right now, I would say there is only team that is clearly ahead of the pack, and that is Runtso Ducks, based on their 7-0 record to date. Even then, I don't think there is a lot of separation with many of the other teams. Btw, you clearly have an opinion as to the top teams, so let's hear it.
I was not belittling the wave 1, I was just stating my opinion. At this point I don't think that OC 1 and 3 are top A teams either. OC 3 has lost twice to runsto ducks now by a wide margin (not even close)(but they could get better) and OC 1 is doing just okay.
We have a long season to go and I do hope the teams get better, it makes it a fun season. All I am saying is that some predictions may be too soon to make.
My top team 3 predictions so far is, 1. Runsto, 2. Bears, and 3. 0C 2
I see Wave 1 at this time around 10th place but that could change if I ever get to see a score from a game where they have played a team in the top 6.
Hmmm... I guess my beginning of the season predictions were not too far off. Just in a different order. With Eagles and Maple Leaves in the mix. And OC2 and Eagles will be number 1 or number 2.
And I was right about the Wave1 too. 12th place is where they landed. I guess there was too much hype over them.
Good luck to both OC2 and Eagles next weekend.
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You win some you lose some. What's important is teaching my kid to be a good sport either way regardless of whether the team that beat them today had one #17 goalie throughout the season or two.
Right Avcadet? Wink wink...
So are they sandbagging a goalie using the same #? we tied them this year and their goalie stood on his head.
No sandbagging. Garrett stood tall. I admire his effort, for sure. What Narradus was poking fun at was avcadet. Avcadet said there was one goalie for ochc2 all season. Then later said there were two, I guess he, or she convienantly forgot. Just a few pages back if anyone would like to check..
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You win some you lose some. What's important is teaching my kid to be a good sport either way regardless of whether the team that beat them today had one #17 goalie throughout the season or two.
Right Avcadet? Wink wink...
So are they sandbagging a goalie using the same #? we tied them this year and their goalie stood on his head.
No sandbagging. Garrett stood tall. I admire his effort, for sure. What Narradus was poking fun at was avcadet. Avcadet said there was one goalie for ochc2 all season. Then later said there were two, I guess he, or she convienantly forgot. Just a few pages back if anyone would like to check..
I had previously admitted to brain fade regarding that remark about only having one goalie. There is no conspiracy theory, OCHC2 did have two goalies at the beginning of the season. The other goalie left the team fairly early in the season and OCHC2 has played with only one goalie since. As stated above, our goalie has played a solid season and will continue to do so during the SCAHA championship as well as CAHA
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So with the Bears out of the final, what is everyone's prediction for the final? And does anyone know how the teams up north compare to the last 2 teams standing?
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So with the Bears out of the final, what is everyone's prediction for the final? And does anyone know how the teams up north compare to the last 2 teams standing?
Up North the Sabercats are pretty hot! They were a mid pack team but beat top two teams to win it all. Over Presidents Day they tied Ducks (Kohn) and lost to the Bears 4-3 in OT. They play that exact style which is the Kryptonite for the Bears... BIG and Physical. The OC2 game and Sabercats should be a good watch; both BIG and love to bang!
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Scaha just posted:
SCAHA PW Champions - OC2
Congratulations to OC2!
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Scaha just posted:
SCAHA PW Champions - OC2
Congratulations to OC2!
The Final was everything it should have been. Both teams showed up to play and the action showed it. OCHC2 took the early lead but the Eagles caught up and then brought up the score to 3 to 1. OCHC2 kept pushing and scored two more goals by the end of the 3rd forcing overtime. The winning goal for OCHC2 came pretty quickly in OT with a rush on the net. Both teams should be proud for the game they played and will strongly represent SCAHA up north in San Jose next weekend.
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Congrats to these teams. Awesome seasons and awesome playoff runs!!!
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Yes. I was totally messing with Avcadet. #17 had the Bears number and played very well against Bears in Arizona championship game and semi final. Kudos to that goalie. Great job.
That said I just find it odd that Avcadet 'forgot' that his team had a second goalie earlier in the season. I mean I imagine that goalie was with them in preseason. And then for a few weeks during the regular season. So how do you forget that your team had another goalie earlier in the season? We're taking goalies here. I can remember every goalie that played for my sons teams since mites. And Avcadet was adamnet at first that they only had one goalie. And then he changes his tune cause I called him out and now they have another goalie--but here's the thing--if I'm not mistaken there was never mention of another goalie on OC roster. And when we played them early in the season they made no note on the scoresheet that they had a second goalie. So the whole thing is just a bit odd, especially in light of the whole Calder thing. I mean you really can't trust that anybody is playing by the rules. And yet, even if there was indeed something fishy about OCs one or two goalie mystery it's really all just ancient history at this point. But know this--I've got my (good) eye on you Avcadet and that eye is watching you. So watch your step.
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It would be absolutely hilarious if it turned out that OCs goalie was an '03.
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Not true, OCHC2 has had only one goalie all season and he played all games. The lack of goals scored against shows that he did a great job
Skates, calm down. I'm not a hater and neither my son nor I are "dramatized" over the loss to OC2 (but I am concerned that your grammar is like that of a second grader). I already gave their goalie total props, should I give their coach a backrub?
All I'm saying is that it's strange that Avcadet was so certain that his team only had one goalie, going so far as to say he played all the games, and then changed that tune upon being called out on it. Just doesn't seem like the kind of thing most would "forget". But who knows, maybe Avcadet has early onset Alzheimers. That would certainly explain it. But just saying "whoops I forgot, we actually did have another goalie and he did play in some games." Really? You forgot that? From a month ago? You actually forgot that your team once had a second goalie? It's fine okay. I just don't buy it. Something ain't quite right in hockeytown, but that's just my take on it.
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Skates you're using the word wrongly. The correct word for your sentence would be traumatized, as in "your writing acumen traumatizes me greatly". With the way you write I wouldn't go bandying about your "Masters degree" because that online school that issued it just might want to take it back.
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Nirradus Your trying so hard to stir up some drama by conveniently forgetting to post all of the facts. You dont mention that in the preseason you faced our 2nd goalie who started that game. You forgot to mention that he was actually pulled after allowing the first 3 goals and was replaced by our current goalie (and only goalie since then.) The other goalie actually quit after that game. You failed to mention that you faced our current goalie again in the regular season, a game you guys won. Both of our last two games, phoenix and semis, we're great 1 goal games that could have gone either way. You had a great season and have great players. But so do we. So stop trying to take credit away from our boys hard work. Stop trying to make excuses for your loss, you sound like a whimpering fool..... we'll send you a postcard from San Jose...... it's Burbank 91506 right?
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Not true, OCHC2 has had only one goalie all season and he played all games. The lack of goals scored against shows that he did a great job
Skates, calm down. I'm not a hater and neither my son nor I are "dramatized" over the loss to OC2 (but I am concerned that your grammar is like that of a second grader). I already gave their goalie total props, should I give their coach a backrub?
All I'm saying is that it's strange that Avcadet was so certain that his team only had one goalie, going so far as to say he played all the games, and then changed that tune upon being called out on it. Just doesn't seem like the kind of thing most would "forget". But who knows, maybe Avcadet has early onset Alzheimers. That would certainly explain it. But just saying "whoops I forgot, we actually did have another goalie and he did play in some games." Really? You forgot that? From a month ago? You actually forgot that your team once had a second goalie? It's fine okay. I just don't buy it. Something ain't quite right in hockeytown, but that's just my take on it.
Yep you nailed it! I am a second grader with a Masters Degree.
Still trying to stir up trouble. I think once any player decides to quit a team after only being there for pre season and the team moved on, we would all forget about that player.
The Graduate Degree is your problem :) The only thing that would be worse is a Doctorate Degree...
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Nirradus Your trying so hard to stir up some drama by conveniently forgetting to post all of the facts.
Not really trying hard at all. Replying inbetween my EST treatments.
You dont mention that in the preseason you faced our 2nd goalie who started that game. You forgot to mention that he was actually pulled after allowing the first 3 goals and was replaced by our current goalie (and only goalie since then.)
Forgot to mention... Intentionally left out... What's the difference?
The other goalie actually quit after that game.
Wasn't aware of that.
Both of our last two games, phoenix and semis, we're great 1 goal games that could have gone either way.
Yes. Totally. Excellent competitive games. Would rather lose like that than blow some team out 14-0.
You had a great season and have great players.
Well, let's not get carried away. This is PWA we're talking about, not a Tier 1 AAA team.
So stop trying to take credit away from our boys hard work.
Oh god please. That's the last thing on my mind. Your boys deserve to be where they are. No argument here.
Stop trying to make excuses for your loss, you sound like a whimpering fool.....
Where exactly in any of my responses have I tried to make excuses for our loss? At every turn I've agreed wholeheartedly that the games were great and competitive and that the better team won. Doesn't sound like sour grapes to me at all. As for the whimpering, well, I can't stop you if that's how you choose to read it.
we'll send you a postcard from San Jose......
Nice thought, but not very sporting of you to kick us while we're down.
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we'll send you a postcard from San Jose......
Nice thought, but not very sporting of you to kick us while we're down.
There are 17 other teams that would also like a postcard...
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Yes. I was totally messing with Avcadet. #17 had the Bears number and played very well against Bears in Arizona championship game and semi final. Kudos to that goalie. Great job.
That said I just find it odd that Avcadet 'forgot' that his team had a second goalie earlier in the season. I mean I imagine that goalie was with them in preseason. And then for a few weeks during the regular season. So how do you forget that your team had another goalie earlier in the season? We're taking goalies here. I can remember every goalie that played for my sons teams since mites. And Avcadet was adamnet at first that they only had one goalie. And then he changes his tune cause I called him out and now they have another goalie--but here's the thing--if I'm not mistaken there was never mention of another goalie on OC roster. And when we played them early in the season they made no note on the scoresheet that they had a second goalie. So the whole thing is just a bit odd, especially in light of the whole Calder thing. I mean you really can't trust that anybody is playing by the rules. And yet, even if there was indeed something fishy about OCs one or two goalie mystery it's really all just ancient history at this point. But know this--I've got my (good) eye on you Avcadet and that eye is watching you. So watch your step.
Everything Kingofthe951 said regarding OCHC2 goalies is correct. He is not part of the conspiracy that you continue to believe is going on. Go to your team manager and look at the score sheet from the September pre-season game.You will see two goalies on the roster at that time. Then look at the October score sheet and you will notice that there is only one goalie on the roster. It really is that simple. Next time, do your homework before you start accusing a team of cheating. As far as watching me, pull your head out of your behind (it is not a hat) and then maybe you can use both eyes. Better yet, leave it in there and everyone on this forum will be happy. P.S. There is always one problem parent on a team, I would have enjoyed sharing a couple of beers with the other Bears parents up in San Jose. Maybe next season.
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Whoa Avcadet!! Who said anything about cheating? I certainly didn't. And how bold of you to suggest I'm a problem parent. Or that we even have a problem parent. You know nothing about me or the team. I'm only discussing things I've heard. No more and no less. Save your cheating talk for another thread. Like for example I heard that your second goalie was kicked off the team because of problems with the family. You say he quit. Okay so we heard different things. I heard that second goalie played well into the regular season. You say he did not. We're just going to have to agree that we heard different things. And really Avcadet how can you be sure about anything wrt your team? You didn't even recall you had a second goalie in the first place so your memory most of all shouldn't be counted on for anything but our amusement. Now seriously can we move on and focus on the CAHA games this weekend. You OC folks really do like to hang out in the gutter.
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This thread is tremendous.
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Update on Leafs/Eagles game this morning? The Bears are just wondering who they'll be playing next weekend.
Nirradus stop with the hypocrisy. You started this whole conspiracy theory of our goalie and even went as far as saying that he could be an 03. Now that we gave you the facts about our goalies your saying you weren't trying to acuse anyone of cheating? Grow a pair and apologize for your misleading posts or stand by what you created....as far as claiming poor sportsmanship, wasn't this your post? Yeah sportsmanship......
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Well, it's on to Spring Hockey! Great season by all the teams! Time for a new thread!
Let's start talking about the teams that had majority 05 kids and see what that looks like!
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CAHA posted:
PW A state champs Tahoe Grizzlies
OC2 came in 2nd in states. That's a huge accomplishment. You made SoCal proud!
SCAHA Champs - OC2
Great Season boys! Take some time off and get ready for next season. I am sure every one of those boys would be a great asset to any team next season! Such a great experience for all that make it that far to compete.
That's a huge acomplishment for Tahoe! That's a small place with a small pool of kids to draw from. Props to Tahoe!
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I heard the competition wasn't that great.
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CAHA posted:
PW A state champs Tahoe Grizzlies
OC2 came in 2nd in states. That's a huge accomplishment. You made SoCal proud!
SCAHA Champs - OC2
Great Season boys! Take some time off and get ready for next season. I am sure every one of those boys would be a great asset to any team next season! Such a great experience for all that make it that far to compete.
That's a huge acomplishment for Tahoe! That's a small place with a small pool of kids to draw from. Props to Tahoe!
Yes Props to Tahoe! They also have 2 kids on their roster that live in Nevada, so I am sure that they draw more kids from other areas. And they have played together for 3 years.
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I heard the competition wasn't that great.
Comments like that is exactly why your son will never make it to the state championship level and exactly why your team was eliminated.
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I heard the competition wasn't that great.
Comments like that is exactly why your son will never make it to the state championship level and exactly why your team was eliminated.
For the record what he says is his own opinion! Also his son did go to States last year!
Moving on to Spring now... lol..
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CAHA posted:
PW A state champs Tahoe Grizzlies
OC2 came in 2nd in states. That's a huge accomplishment. You made SoCal proud!
SCAHA Champs - OC2
Great Season boys! Take some time off and get ready for next season. I am sure every one of those boys would be a great asset to any team next season! Such a great experience for all that make it that far to compete.
That's a huge acomplishment for Tahoe! That's a small place with a small pool of kids to draw from. Props to Tahoe!
Yes Props to Tahoe! They also have 2 kids on their roster that live in Nevada, so I am sure that they draw more kids from other areas. And they have played together for 3 years.
3 years?? Damn! That's rare!
I think I'm going to start hitting you up Skates for all of my scouting reports! Haha!
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CAHA posted:
PW A state champs Tahoe Grizzlies
OC2 came in 2nd in states. That's a huge accomplishment. You made SoCal proud!
SCAHA Champs - OC2
Great Season boys! Take some time off and get ready for next season. I am sure every one of those boys would be a great asset to any team next season! Such a great experience for all that make it that far to compete.
That's a huge acomplishment for Tahoe! That's a small place with a small pool of kids to draw from. Props to Tahoe!
Yes Props to Tahoe! They also have 2 kids on their roster that live in Nevada, so I am sure that they draw more kids from other areas. And they have played together for 3 years.
3 years?? Damn! That's rare!
I think I'm going to start hitting you up Skates for all of my scouting reports! Haha!
How shocking is it that Tahoe kids have played together for years? Where are they going to go? Sharks Bay Area?
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Jesus Skates. You really do have a stick up your arse! I was kidding. Joking. Being sarcastic. Obviously the competition was good enough to eliminate the #1 SoCal seeded PWA team. For the love of god get a hobby, take some medication and mellow the shuck out! AND I believe our team was eliminated because we scored less goals than the other team. I don't see how winning or losing any game has much to do with me or my opinions.
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CAHA posted:
PW A state champs Tahoe Grizzlies
OC2 came in 2nd in states. That's a huge accomplishment. You made SoCal proud!
SCAHA Champs - OC2
Great Season boys! Take some time off and get ready for next season. I am sure every one of those boys would be a great asset to any team next season! Such a great experience for all that make it that far to compete.
Skates, you are a class act and OC2 thanks you for the compliment.
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It was a great season. The closest I've ever seen. Congrats to the parents for surviving a season that is as long as a Major League Baseball season. Get some rest, tryouts are in two months.
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I heard the competition wasn't that great.
Comments like that is exactly why your son will never make it to the state championship level and exactly why your team was eliminated.
Skates, for godsakes, at this point can't you tell that you are being trolled? Luckily we get to see your response to a post lacking sportsmanship is to come back with one that drops the bar even lower. I'm guessing nirradus was giggling to himself the entire time, especially when you boldly declared that his kid would never partake in the very experience (CAHA championship) his kid played in last season. If you feel a bit dumb knowing you fell for it and put your foot in your mouth, welcome to the internet. :o
My kid did not play for the Bears this year, so I can acknowledge without prejudice that the club as a whole had plenty to celebrate besides a 1st place finish in Peewee A, including sending their Peewee AA team to the CAHA tournament, their Peewee B team to states after winning SCAHA, their Bantam A team to states after being runner up in the SCAHA championship, and having their Bantam AA team win CAHA and move on to the national championship tournament next weekend.
I know lots of the families at the club, and they are classy folks who appreciate the sport and the competition, and wished your OC team congratulations and the best representing SoCal. I watched the semi final game between your teams, and it was a tightly contested 1 goal game that all the parents and kids should feel proud to have been a part of.
You will play these same kids and families in years to come. Hell, in the future you may even end up on the same teams. Take a deep breathe, appreciate the accomplishments your team had this year, and try not to get bitter and angry at a whole group of people you don't know. I know it was a long season, and I hope you and your family can enjoy a quick breather, because spring hockey has so many people back on the habitrail wheel. If you're moving up to tier next season, you'll hardly have time to air the equipment out!
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CAHA posted:
PW A state champs Tahoe Grizzlies
OC2 came in 2nd in states. That's a huge accomplishment. You made SoCal proud!
SCAHA Champs - OC2
Great Season boys! Take some time off and get ready for next season. I am sure every one of those boys would be a great asset to any team next season! Such a great experience for all that make it that far to compete.
That's a huge acomplishment for Tahoe! That's a small place with a small pool of kids to draw from. Props to Tahoe!
Yes Props to Tahoe! They also have 2 kids on their roster that live in Nevada, so I am sure that they draw more kids from other areas. And they have played together for 3 years.
3 years?? Damn! That's rare!
I think I'm going to start hitting you up Skates for all of my scouting reports! Haha!
How shocking is it that Tahoe kids have played together for years? Where are they going to go? Sharks Bay Area?
Some travel to Santa Rosa to play. A few left the club adventured off.
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CAHA posted:
PW A state champs Tahoe Grizzlies
OC2 came in 2nd in states. That's a huge accomplishment. You made SoCal proud!
SCAHA Champs - OC2
Great Season boys! Take some time off and get ready for next season. I am sure every one of those boys would be a great asset to any team next season! Such a great experience for all that make it that far to compete.
That's a huge acomplishment for Tahoe! That's a small place with a small pool of kids to draw from. Props to Tahoe!
Yes Props to Tahoe! They also have 2 kids on their roster that live in Nevada, so I am sure that they draw more kids from other areas. And they have played together for 3 years.
3 years?? Damn! That's rare!
I think I'm going to start hitting you up Skates for all of my scouting reports! Haha!
How shocking is it that Tahoe kids have played together for years? Where are they going to go? Sharks Bay Area?
Some travel to Santa Rosa to play. A few left the club adventured off.
Wow a 3hr drive each way to practice? Damn
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I heard the competition wasn't that great.
Comments like that is exactly why your son will never make it to the state championship level and exactly why your team was eliminated.
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My kid did not play for the Bears this year, so I can acknowledge without prejudice that the club as a whole had plenty to celebrate besides a 1st place finish in Peewee A, including sending their Peewee AA team to the CAHA tournament, their Peewee B team to states after winning SCAHA, their Bantam A team to states after being runner up in the SCAHA championship, and having their Bantam AA team win CAHA and move on to the national championship tournament next weekend.
I know lots of the families at the club, and they are classy folks who appreciate the sport and the competition, and wished your OC team congratulations and the best representing SoCal. I watched the semi final game between your teams, and it was a tightly contested 1 goal game that all the parents and kids should feel proud to have been a part of.
Just need to clear up some facts! Wrong: Bears did not come in 1st place for PW A.
1st: OC2 SCAHA Champions
2nd: Eagles SCAHA Finalists
3rd: Bears
4th: Maple Leaves
And nobody congratulated my OC team because my son doesn't play for OC. He is on squirt and his team did not make it that far.
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Wrong Skates. Clearly I was referring to the regular season, where they came in 1st and were the 1st seed. Everyone who has looked at scaha, or kept up with the playoffs knows what occurred in the playoffs. I'm well aware of what occurred in the playoffs, as I attended the semi-final game, as I mentioned. I guess you didn't read my post. Furthermore, how do you decide who comes in 3rd and 4th?
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Wrong Skates. Clearly I was referring to the regular season, where they came in 1st and were the 1st seed. Everyone who has looked at scaha, or kept up with the playoffs knows what occurred in the playoffs. I'm well aware of what occurred in the playoffs, as I attended the semi-final game, as I mentioned. I guess you didn't read my post. Furthermore, how do you decide who comes in 3rd and 4th?
Wrong Icadad. There is only one 1st place team for the season. The SCAHA champions -OC 2. Regular season games means nothing except for making the top 8. And yes I do know what happened in the semi final game, the best team won! And moved on to win SCAHA. Third and fourth are based on how they seeded during the regular season.
Nobody remembers who came in 1st during the regular season for NHL, they only remember who won the Stanley cup. Stop trying to grip at anything to keep the Bears in the spotlight, They clearly got beat. OC clearly had the better defensive record with only 26 goals against to the bears 41 goals against during the season. It was bound to happen for OC.
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HAHA! Back to the defense topic.. Skates has been beating that drum all season!
I'll tell you what... I'll buy you a beer next season. It's ok man.. Inhale... Exhale!! [/size] ;) ;) [size=78%][/size][size=78%] [/size][/size][size=78%] [/size]
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OC clearly had the better defensive record with only 26 goals against to the bears 41 goals against during the season. It was bound to happen for OC.
This, after he says nobody remembers who finishes 1st after regular season play. ::) Pretty sure points, wins, and goals for all come before goals against in the scheme of things. OC won so you didn't even have to go there. Next time just say "OC won the championship" and drop the mic...
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HAHA! Back to the defense topic.. Skates has been beating that drum all season!
I'll tell you what... I'll buy you a beer next season. It's ok man.. Inhale... Exhale!! ;) ;) [size=78%][/size]
Yep based on stats, which I do for a living, defense wins games.
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OC clearly had the better defensive record with only 26 goals against to the bears 41 goals against during the season. It was bound to happen for OC.
This, after he says nobody remembers who finishes 1st after regular season play. ::) Pretty sure points, wins, and goals for all come before goals against in the scheme of things. OC won so you didn't even have to go there. Next time just say "OC won the championship" and drop the mic...
Yep I went there. 😀
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HAHA! Back to the defense topic.. Skates has been beating that drum all season!
I'll tell you what... I'll buy you a beer next season. It's ok man.. Inhale... Exhale!! ;) ;)
Yep based on stats, which I do for a living, defense wins games.
So I guesss your defense forgot to show up for the CAHA championship game
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HAHA! Back to the defense topic.. Skates has been beating that drum all season!
I'll tell you what... I'll buy you a beer next season. It's ok man.. Inhale... Exhale!! ;) ;)
Yep based on stats, which I do for a living, defense wins games.
So I guesss your defense forgot to show up for the CAHA championship game
I don't know what happened, I was not there. My son doesn't play for OC. It could of been a defensive breakdown or a bad ref call. We would need someone from OC to comment on that. Maybe Avcadet could fill everyone in if he wants to.
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HAHA! Back to the defense topic.. Skates has been beating that drum all season!
I'll tell you what... I'll buy you a beer next season. It's ok man.. Inhale... Exhale!! ;) ;)
Yep based on stats, which I do for a living, defense wins games.
So I guesss your defense forgot to show up for the CAHA championship game
I don't know what happened, I was not there. My son doesn't play for OC. It could of been a defensive breakdown or a bad ref call. We would need someone from OC to comment on that. Maybe Avcadet could fill everyone in if he wants to.
I'm sure Avcadet would say it was a great game and the better team won that day! Stats don't win every game; that's why you play the game, right... And that's why parents go crazy on CalHockey.com! LOL!
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HAHA! Back to the defense topic.. Skates has been beating that drum all season!
I'll tell you what... I'll buy you a beer next season. It's ok man.. Inhale... Exhale!! ;) ;)
Yep based on stats, which I do for a living, defense wins games.
So I guesss your defense forgot to show up for the CAHA championship game
I don't know what happened, I was not there. My son doesn't play for OC. It could of been a defensive breakdown or a bad ref call. We would need someone from OC to comment on that. Maybe Avcadet could fill everyone in if he wants to.
I'm sure Avcadet would say it was a great game and the better team won that day! Stats don't win every game; that's why you play the game, right... And that's why parents go crazy on CalHockey.com! LOL!
No, I put money on Avcadet saying that the refs stole it from them somehow...........
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Fun fact. That lil' Wave team that had no business playing PeeWee A beat Tahoe twice this year.
Really? I just saw Tahoe beat the Wave 7-2 December 30th... when else did they play?
http://www.norcalyouthhockey.com/Sched/LT12A-Team.html
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Fun fact. That lil' Wave team that had no business playing PeeWee A beat Tahoe twice this year.
Just a little fun fact, that Tahoe team was not the same team because jus like all travel tournaments, many teams all the kids don't travel and the little Waves added players for all of their tournaments that is the only reason they won the tournaments they did.
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skates you have never had fun with any fact you only complain about facts
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I know for a fact that the wave1 team added players for all their tournaments. I have the inside scoop on that team. With a lot more info then they would not like for me to discuss. But since they did not make playoffs there is no need for me to share that information.
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I know for a fact that the wave1 team added players for all their tournaments. I have the inside scoop on that team. With a lot more info then they would like for me to discuss. But since they did not make playoffs there is no need for me to share that information.
LMAO!! So are you saying had they made the playoffs, you would spill the beans??
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Nah I wouldn't have too! It would be discovered by itself. It would only hurt the kids and I am not about ruining it for kids.
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Fun fact. That lil' Wave team that had no business playing PeeWee A beat Tahoe twice this year.
Really? I just saw Tahoe beat the Wave 7-2 December 30th... when else did they play?
http://www.norcalyouthhockey.com/Sched/LT12A-Team.html (http://www.norcalyouthhockey.com/Sched/LT12A-Team.html)
Time to Score which is where NORCAL posts all games and scoresheets shows same score 7 to 2
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Nah I wouldn't have too! It would be discovered by itself. It would only hurt the kids and I am not about ruining it for kids.
Ahh, the same situation that the AA went through??
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There isn't a website for the Mammoth tourney, but here's a link for the Valencia tourney. Please compare and contrast this roster with their SCAHA roster and tell me which ringers were added. Jersey numbers will be just fine.
http://www.sportability.com/spx/leagues/Team.asp?LgID=43167&TmID=288512 (http://www.sportability.com/spx/leagues/Team.asp?LgID=43167&TmID=288512)
Lol! That is the only tournament they didn't add players and the teams they played were not even in the top 8. Believe me I know a lot about that team.
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Shouldn't we be gossiping about more important things; like next year's teams?? ;D
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Just a fun little fact: I heard the only reason OCHC2 got as far as they did was because they snuck an '03 goalie onto their PWA roster--and I know that team really well.
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Shouldn't we be gossiping about more important things; like next year's teams?? ;D
Are you kidding? Who knows? Take some time off before you even think of next season. Besides, clubs need to announce their coaches first.
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Skates for someone who works with statistics and has a masters degree--did you skip all your English classes? Seriously. I think the word you were looking for is "already." One word. Not "all ready". For example, "There is no reason to poke fun at Skate's grammar deficiencies since we've already covered that topic". As opposed to "We are all ready to throw Skates off the bridge."
You're welcome.
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Just a fun little fact: I heard the only reason OCHC2 got as far as they did was because they snuck an '03 goalie onto their PWA roster--and I know that team really well.
Oh my! Avcadet all ready cleared that up. Get over it. Believe me your kid is probably all ready over the loss.
Dude, stop falling for it!! Haha... He already said he's kidding!!
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Skates for someone who works with statistics and has a masters degree--did you skip all your English classes? Seriously. I think the word you were looking for is "already." One word. Not "all ready". For example, "There is no reason to poke fun at Skate's grammar deficiencies since we've already covered that topic". As opposed to "We are all ready to throw Skates off the bridge."
You're welcome.
Lol! Thanks I corrected it. I didn't say I had a masters in English. 😀
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Fun fact. That lil' Wave team that had no business playing PeeWee A beat Tahoe twice this year.
It was a tough division. The Wildcats beat the Eagles Presidents Day weekend. It was just incredibly close.
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Time to Score which is where NORCAL posts all games and scoresheets shows same score 7 to 2
That score is wrong. It was entered incorrectly. Wave went 5-0 in that tournament and have the championship banner hanging at East West.
Yeah you have the banner with the help of a few added players.
Skates, 122 posts in an area your kid doesn't play is concerning to me. And what is your infatuation with Wave 1? My son played on that team and I think you're borderline Megan's law here? Can you post your picture so I can make sure my son knows Stranger Danger? To quote the late great "Zamdriver" posting about or going to a game my son doesn't play in isn’t ok in any courtroom.
In all seriousness We did substitute 1 05 player in Mammoth after 1 of our kids wasn’t allowed to play for concussion protocol, O5 as well. How many rosters for any team at a tournament are identical to the season? I don’t think there is a team here that can say they have never substituted a player.
What is this great secret? I know I have every game sheet to review... Do you? (If you do I think my above concern is valid)
Seriously the season is over and after the adversity these kids had to go through this season I know I'm proud of my kid. Are you proud of yours? (Sure seem more excited to talk about Wave 1)
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Stick tap for the Zamdriver reference...
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Time to Score which is where NORCAL posts all games and scoresheets shows same score 7 to 2
That score is wrong. It was entered incorrectly. Wave went 5-0 in that tournament and have the championship banner hanging at East West.
Yeah you have the banner with the help of a few added players.
Skates, 122 posts in an area your kid doesn't play is concerning to me. And what is your infatuation with Wave 1? My son played on that team and I think you're borderline Megan's law here? Can you post your picture so I can make sure my son knows Stranger Danger? To quote the late great "Zamdriver" posting about or going to a game my son doesn't play in isn’t ok in any courtroom.
In all seriousness We did substitute 1 05 player in Mammoth after 1 of our kids wasn’t allowed to play for concussion protocol, O5 as well. How many rosters for any team at a tournament are identical to the season? I don’t think there is a team here that can say they have never substituted a player.
What is this great secret? I know I have every game sheet to review... Do you? (If you do I think my above concern is valid)
Seriously the season is over and after the adversity these kids had to go through this season I know I'm proud of my kid. Are you proud of yours? (Sure seem more excited to talk about Wave 1)
B77 you took your post to the lowest post I have seen on this forum. For your FYI my son plays squirt, season stats with few teams was going to be boring. I am a statistician and a numbers person. With the number of teams for PW A, seeing if I could predict the final outcome is what I was doing and I nailed it pretty close without watching the games. I saw the Wave 1 play at the beginning of the season and I knew that they didn't have the talent to make the top 8. You can't rely on 1 or 2 players the whole season. I am sorry that it hurt your feelings and I was right.
My son is a PW next season and I hope he plays for a team that has class.
Enjoy your time off.
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This just gets better and better...
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Skates moral indignation is a well that seems to have no bottom to it.
What I find amusing about Skates is similar to something I noticed about the way my kids and their friends talked to each other some years ago. One of their favorite things to say was: "No offense but --"
Whenever they start with "No offense" you can be sure they are about to say something really offensive.
Skates posts that "shucks I'm just using STATISTICS to make picks" but then throws in a "see I told ya your team sucked cause I saw em pre-season" and it's ok cause in hindsight they didn't win enough games during the season to be winners! The fact that this analysis is being done on a division of kids older than his, just makes it better.
Skates, please don't ever change man. With the loss of Zam, this forum desperately needs you and your seemingly humorless reactionary posts, especially during this brief period of downtime.
Also, Tier1 tryouts are May 12-14, with Tier2 June 2. So all that relaxation time isn't going to be all that relaxing for a lot of people.
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Ok, with all this Wave talk going on can someone please fill us in on what is going on over there.. I'm sure we have all heard it... Whats up with the coaching situation??? I'm hearing all kinds of things from coaching to teams next year! 411 PLEASE!
Skates? B77?
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Skates, 122 posts in an area your kid doesn't play is concerning to me. And what is your infatuation with Wave 1? My son played on that team and I think you're borderline Megan's law here? Can you post your picture so I can make sure my son knows Stranger Danger?
I laughed so hard that I had to put down my cocktail. This is the best it has been in a long time. Thanks guys.
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The following is heresay, rumor and scuttlebutt.
In a nutshell it was proven that the KC coached Wave(2) Peewee AA team was putting a player on the roster for home games that was not actually playing. They didn't have enough players to make the CAHA minimum, but this was noticed by opponents who were counting kids on the bench I suppose. Subsequently, they were disqualified from the playoffs, despite the fact they had come in 8th.
Since the coaches have to sign the roster/scoresheet, the ultimate responsibility for the violation stops with the head coach.
That coach (from what I heard) will not be allowed to coach a team next season.
I also heard that the Wave would not be allowed to have Peewee AA teams at all this season, as punishment for the club for letting this happen, but that the club was fighting this.
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The following is heresay, rumor and scuttlebutt.
In a nutshell it was proven that the KC coached Wave(2) Peewee AA team was putting a player on the roster for home games that was not actually playing. They didn't have enough players to make the CAHA minimum, but this was noticed by opponents who were counting kids on the bench I suppose. Subsequently, they were disqualified from the playoffs, despite the fact they had come in 8th.
Since the coaches have to sign the roster/scoresheet, the ultimate responsibility for the violation stops with the head coach.
That coach (from what I heard) will not be allowed to coach a team next season.
I also heard that the Wave would not be allowed to have Peewee AA teams at all this season, as punishment for the club for letting this happen, but that the club was fighting this.
Ok, that's what I heard too!
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The following is heresay, rumor and scuttlebutt.
In a nutshell it was proven that the KC coached Wave(2) Peewee AA team was putting a player on the roster for home games that was not actually playing. They didn't have enough players to make the CAHA minimum, but this was noticed by opponents who were counting kids on the bench I suppose. Subsequently, they were disqualified from the playoffs, despite the fact they had come in 8th.
Since the coaches have to sign the roster/scoresheet, the ultimate responsibility for the violation stops with the head coach.
That coach (from what I heard) will not be allowed to coach a team next season.
I also heard that the Wave would not be allowed to have Peewee AA teams at all this season, as punishment for the club for letting this happen, but that the club was fighting this.
Ok, that's what I heard too!
I overheard this rumor this week. I guess there is some truth to it. The only thing I can add is that I heard the team manager is also suspended for one year.
Often a ref will look over a roster list to count players and see who is actually there prior to a game start. If the player was not actually on the bench this is one way it could have been discovered.
I guess I'll be the first to pick the '05 Wave PWA team to win it all next year.
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I overheard this rumor this week. I guess there is some truth to it.
It's not a rumor. A reliable source did tell me last week that the Wave will NOT have a Peewee AA team next year. Now whether they're trying to fight that or not, I have no clue, but as of right now, no PWAA for Wave next season.
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How many Wave will stay and play A, and how many will leave to chase AA? This could work out well for the other clubs.
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The following is heresay, rumor and scuttlebutt.
In a nutshell it was proven that the KC coached Wave(2) Peewee AA team was putting a player on the roster for home games that was not actually playing. They didn't have enough players to make the CAHA minimum, but this was noticed by opponents who were counting kids on the bench I suppose. Subsequently, they were disqualified from the playoffs, despite the fact they had come in 8th.
Since the coaches have to sign the roster/scoresheet, the ultimate responsibility for the violation stops with the head coach.
That coach (from what I heard) will not be allowed to coach a team next season.
I also heard that the Wave would not be allowed to have Peewee AA teams at all this season, as punishment for the club for letting this happen, but that the club was fighting this.
Ok, that's what I heard too!
I overheard this rumor this week. I guess there is some truth to it. The only thing I can add is that I heard the team manager is also suspended for one year.
Often a ref will look over a roster list to count players and see who is actually there prior to a game start. If the player was not actually on the bench this is one way it could have been discovered.
I guess I'll be the first to pick the '05 Wave PWA team to win it all next year.
I also have heard from several sources that the HC was also suspended for a year. Although is it my understanding that the roster is the managers responsibly not the HC, so it will likely be overturned. Don't know if that is true or not...
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The following is heresay, rumor and scuttlebutt.
In a nutshell it was proven that the KC coached Wave(2) Peewee AA team was putting a player on the roster for home games that was not actually playing. They didn't have enough players to make the CAHA minimum, but this was noticed by opponents who were counting kids on the bench I suppose. Subsequently, they were disqualified from the playoffs, despite the fact they had come in 8th.
Since the coaches have to sign the roster/scoresheet, the ultimate responsibility for the violation stops with the head coach.
That coach (from what I heard) will not be allowed to coach a team next season.
I also heard that the Wave would not be allowed to have Peewee AA teams at all this season, as punishment for the club for letting this happen, but that the club was fighting this.
Ok, that's what I heard too!
I overheard this rumor this week. I guess there is some truth to it. The only thing I can add is that I heard the team manager is also suspended for one year.
Often a ref will look over a roster list to count players and see who is actually there prior to a game start. If the player was not actually on the bench this is one way it could have been discovered.
I guess I'll be the first to pick the '05 Wave PWA team to win it all next year.
I also have heard from several sources that the HC was also suspended for a year. Although is it my understanding that the roster is the managers responsibly not the HC, so it will likely be overturned. Don't know if that is true or not...
Actually the roster is the Clubs responsibility as far as making the official list; which may be why the Club is getting dinged. The scratching of players can be done by the coach and or manager; but ultimately falls on the coach as he/she has to sign each copy for each game. Now if a HC wants to play that card.. "I didn't know, my manager made a mistake?" is 100% BS... Did that happen in this case; no idea but what you said leads me to believe that's what's being attempted.
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The following is heresay, rumor and scuttlebutt.
In a nutshell it was proven that the KC coached Wave(2) Peewee AA team was putting a player on the roster for home games that was not actually playing. They didn't have enough players to make the CAHA minimum, but this was noticed by opponents who were counting kids on the bench I suppose. Subsequently, they were disqualified from the playoffs, despite the fact they had come in 8th.
Since the coaches have to sign the roster/scoresheet, the ultimate responsibility for the violation stops with the head coach.
That coach (from what I heard) will not be allowed to coach a team next season.
I also heard that the Wave would not be allowed to have Peewee AA teams at all this season, as punishment for the club for letting this happen, but that the club was fighting this.
Ok, that's what I heard too!
I overheard this rumor this week. I guess there is some truth to it. The only thing I can add is that I heard the team manager is also suspended for one year.
Often a ref will look over a roster list to count players and see who is actually there prior to a game start. If the player was not actually on the bench this is one way it could have been discovered.
I guess I'll be the first to pick the '05 Wave PWA team to win it all next year.
I also have heard from several sources that the HC was also suspended for a year. Although is it my understanding that the roster is the managers responsibly not the HC, so it will likely be overturned. Don't know if that is true or not...
Actually the roster is the Clubs responsibility as far as making the official list; which may be why the Club is getting dinged. The scratching of players can be done by the coach and or manager; but ultimately falls on the coach as he/she has to sign each copy for each game. Now if a HC wants to play that card.. "I didn't know, my manager made a mistake?" is 100% BS... Did that happen in this case; no idea but what you said leads me to believe that's what's being attempted.
The roaster is not the managers responsibility. You can roster whoever you want. It IS the managers responsibility to make sure the scorecard is correct. The manager uploads the score card to the Scaha web site. Anyone who had been a manger knows that the coaches NEVER check the scorecard. They just scribble their names as they way TO the bench. It's NOT the coaches responsibility to make sure the scoecard is right/
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The following is heresay, rumor and scuttlebutt.
In a nutshell it was proven that the KC coached Wave(2) Peewee AA team was putting a player on the roster for home games that was not actually playing. They didn't have enough players to make the CAHA minimum, but this was noticed by opponents who were counting kids on the bench I suppose. Subsequently, they were disqualified from the playoffs, despite the fact they had come in 8th.
Since the coaches have to sign the roster/scoresheet, the ultimate responsibility for the violation stops with the head coach.
That coach (from what I heard) will not be allowed to coach a team next season.
I also heard that the Wave would not be allowed to have Peewee AA teams at all this season, as punishment for the club for letting this happen, but that the club was fighting this.
Ok, that's what I heard too!
I overheard this rumor this week. I guess there is some truth to it. The only thing I can add is that I heard the team manager is also suspended for one year.
Often a ref will look over a roster list to count players and see who is actually there prior to a game start. If the player was not actually on the bench this is one way it could have been discovered.
I guess I'll be the first to pick the '05 Wave PWA team to win it all next year.
I also have heard from several sources that the HC was also suspended for a year. Although is it my understanding that the roster is the managers responsibly not the HC, so it will likely be overturned. Don't know if that is true or not...
Actually the roster is the Clubs responsibility as far as making the official list; which may be why the Club is getting dinged. The scratching of players can be done by the coach and or manager; but ultimately falls on the coach as he/she has to sign each copy for each game. Now if a HC wants to play that card.. "I didn't know, my manager made a mistake?" is 100% BS... Did that happen in this case; no idea but what you said leads me to believe that's what's being attempted.
The roaster is not the managers responsibility. You can roster whoever you want. It IS the managers responsibility to make sure the scorecard is correct. The manager uploads the score card to the Scaha web site. Anyone who had been a manger knows that the coaches NEVER check the scorecard. They just scribble their names as they way TO the bench. It's NOT the coaches responsibility to make sure the scoecard is right/to
Ultimately, it is weather it's getting handled properly or not... Refs also should be headcounting weather they do it or not.
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The roaster is not the managers responsibility. You can roster whoever you want. It IS the managers responsibility to make sure the scorecard is correct. The manager uploads the score card to the Scaha web site. Anyone who had been a manger knows that the coaches NEVER check the scorecard. They just scribble their names as they way TO the bench. It's NOT the coaches responsibility to make sure the scoecard is right
Not really. In most games, the Ref comes and talks to the coaches about the lineup. When there are kids who are not playing, the Ref actually asks about this as a check of the lineup cards. It seems like you are suggesting that the mgr. of the team might have been unilaterally pulling a fast one on everyone including the coach, and that would be a viable excuse. No way did that happen, nor would it be accepted as an excuse. From my recollection, the kids on the roster who are not playing are literally crossed off on the sheet.
I heard from people before this all went down, that parents in the stands suspected something was up, just looking at the number of kids on the bench, and it's also a small world and people have friends, and for all we know, one or more of the disgruntled parents might have talked to friends, so people had their suspicions about the Wave not having the required number of players by the time the deadline rolled around. The CAHA rules specify that a team who is not able to maintain the 15 required players by end of year, won't be eligible for playoffs.
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How many Wave will stay and play A, and how many will leave to chase AA? This could work out well for the other clubs.
And could be an absolute nightmare too ... if you think about it.. Do the math
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Yeah, Sta 26, there will be an infusion into other clubs as a result. So my kid who would love to play Tier 1 but won't deal with the politics (0k, so maybe we've told our kid WE won't deal with it), will now have to figh toff more kids to retain his Tier 2 spot. So be it. Anything KC did shouldn't impact you though.
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it was a witch hunt since tryouts. certain clubs didn't like losing so many kids to the Wave...and it wasn't the JD or JK's. When KC and the Patriots Band decided to leave last season, there were certain people out to get them all season long. a couple disgruntled parents quit the team and give a certain someone all the ammo she needed. It's too bad for the boys on this team, but rules were broken and they got disqualified from the playoffs.
But to ban the Wave from having a Peewee AA team next season is going way too far!
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The "roaster"? C'est what?
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it was a witch hunt since tryouts. certain clubs didn't like losing so many kids to the Wave...and it wasn't the JD or JK's. When KC and the Patriots Band decided to leave last season, there were certain people out to get them all season long. a couple disgruntled parents quit the team and give a certain someone all the ammo she needed. It's too bad for the boys on this team, but rules were broken and they got disqualified from the playoffs.
But to ban the Wave from having a Peewee AA team next season is going way too far!
A witch hunt, are you kidding me? Your team barely made the playoffs and had to cheat to get there. Do you really think those clubs are worried about losing a few kids to the Wave? You have to go back there if you want your kid to play AAA anyway, you have no choice.
Was your kid looking at his team stats on the SCAHA site with a player listed that didn't exist? Or, did he ask for the game sheet after the game and question who that kid he never really knew that stopped playing and for some reason was listed on the roster that day? If he did either, then maybe you should get some ethics and think about the bigger picture.
People give hundreds if not thousands of hours of their time so that these games can be played. Are they perfect? Hell no, among many other things the refs frequently suck. There are reasons why team managers give hours and hours of their time and subject themselves to misery by ridiculous parents. There are reasons coaches are required to do online and classroom training by USA Hockey. Why is all this work being done? It sure as hell isn't to sign your name on a score sheet to a bogus team.
Time to drive and see the way some other clubs handle things, because your season ended a huge failure that goes far beyond a win or a loss. The players deserved better, they worked too hard for that failure. They were let down by the club (who I heard knew about it), the coaches, the team manager and by parents in the know. Good luck.
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not my team
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Do you really think those clubs are worried about losing a few kids to the Wave? You have to go back there if you want your kid to play AAA anyway, you have no choice.
Damn, so my kid has to go to the Ice Dogs to play AAA? I knew I must be missing something. K Thx bye.
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not my team
Your team was the CA AA State Champion Wave team then?
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not my team
Your team was the CA AA State Champion Wave team then?
No
I know A-51.....he's too douchie to be on that team. Parents would chew him up and spit him out.
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not my team
Your team was the CA AA State Champion Wave team then?
No
I know A-51.....he's too douchie to be on that team. Parents would chew him up and spit him out.
Doesn't drink enough either. He'd need to up his game bigly.
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not my team
Your team was the CA AA State Champion Wave team then?
No
I know A-51.....he's too douchie to be on that team. Parents would chew him up and spit him out.
Doesn't drink enough either. He'd need to up his game bigly.
I can second that.
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it was a witch hunt since tryouts. certain clubs didn't like losing so many kids to the Wave...and it wasn't the JD or JK's. When KC and the Patriots Band decided to leave last season, there were certain people out to get them all season long. a couple disgruntled parents quit the team and give a certain someone all the ammo she needed. It's too bad for the boys on this team, but rules were broken and they got disqualified from the playoffs.
But to ban the Wave from having a Peewee AA team next season is going way too far!
So during the "witch hunt", with "certain clubs" upset over losing players, disgruntled parents, and people "out to get them all season" the club/coach/manager decided to get cute with the roster and score sheets all season? That certainly was an interesting choice if your description of the situation is accurate.
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To be very clear regarding the PWAA Wave 2, the manager and coach followed the advice of the club only to have it come back and bite them in the ass. They were assured there were no PDR issues and everything would be fine, on more than one occasion. Players were not intentionally left on the roster maliciously. The coach, nor the manager wanted to hurt the team in anyway. Hours upon hours of volunteer hours were given, only to be bashed and verbally abused, even threatened by parents. So before you spread vile , hurtful rumors, learn the facts. Maybe ask someone from the team and get the truth. You have no idea of what went on with this team!
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To be very clear regarding the PWAA Wave 2, the manager and coach followed the advice of the club only to have it come back and bite them in the ass. They were assured there were no PDR issues and everything would be fine, on more than one occasion. Players were not intentionally left on the roster maliciously. The coach, nor the manager wanted to hurt the team in anyway. Hours upon hours of volunteer hours were given, only to be bashed and verbally abused, even threatened by parents. So before you spread vile , hurtful rumors, learn the facts. Maybe ask someone from the team and get the truth. You have no idea of what went on with this team!
But people do have an idea what went on with the team. Scoresheets were signed showing a player who did not play had played. I don't think that those involved in this deception did so with malice or exercised anything but bad judgement, but if you are trying to say that coach & mgr went to the Wave and stated "we have this issue with our roster" and the Wave came back and said: "Ok so what you do is, just put a kid on the roster and we'll hope nobody notices" I find that really hard to believe.
I also have been given information in regards to statements that have been made since then, that don't back up what you seem to be implying.
Many people volunteer hours to help their clubs and teams. A number of the people who visit this forum regularly have been team managers in the past, or are involved in some official capacity with their clubs. There are difficult parents on many teams, and nearly everyone I know has war stories involving other parents and crap that happens.
I take no joy in what happened to your team. Truly, I felt for your kids. At the end of the day, because we are talking about Peewee hockey and it's not that big of a deal, but it sucks to be deprived of something you earned. I thought your team did well this season in many ways. I wish you all well, and I'm sure that there will be options for you all this winter. I just don't see that there's any value to continuing with the narrative that some bitter parents screwed your team. The people involved in the deception made a mistake, and I can't help thinking they should have known better, because the obvious alternative was to have the organization go to the CAHA board and ask for an exemption, but that would have involved being forthcoming and transparent.
If anything, the coach, team and organization is being made an example of, and looking at it from the point of view of CAHA (which by the way all of the scaha teams including the wave are voting members of) I don't see any other way this could have played out.
Hope you all have a good spring, and I'm sure your kids will land on their feet in 2 months, only perhaps with a different jersey to wear come winter.
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To be very clear regarding the PWAA Wave 2, the manager and coach followed the advice of the club only to have it come back and bite them in the ass. They were assured there were no PDR issues and everything would be fine, on more than one occasion. Players were not intentionally left on the roster maliciously. The coach, nor the manager wanted to hurt the team in anyway. Hours upon hours of volunteer hours were given, only to be bashed and verbally abused, even threatened by parents. So before you spread vile , hurtful rumors, learn the facts. Maybe ask someone from the team and get the truth. You have no idea of what went on with this team!
While it is apparent that something went on with the roster I don’t believe for 1 minute that there wasn’t some scoresheet manipulation done by the team manager and or the coach. They know who is on the team and who is missing from games. If they forgot to scratch a player once the penalty wouldn’t have been what it was. The penalty matches the attempt to deceive all parties involved. All the kids on other teams deserved fairness. If the club told the coach and manager to run in front of a moving car would they?....probably not. This is where one has to question the Managers and Coaches integrity and the Club's business practices. Here in lies the problem… the coach signed his name, the manager didn’t scratch players and the club put players on the T1 roster that never had any intention of playing a game much less 10 games before the deadline. The Club, Coach, Manager and (Parents in the Know..we all know there are a few on every team) all seem to have lied and got caught. The “I didn’t do it, the coach did itâ€, or “the Club told me to do itâ€, seems like the parents that left the team were the smart ones. It is a shame that the ADULTS on this team tried to deceive CHHA, SCAH and USA Hockey but they tried and got caught and THEIR KIDS paid the price.
The adults that should be ashamed of themselves.
End of Story.
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It is a shame that the ADULTS on this team tried to deceive CHHA, SCAH and USA Hockey but they tried and got caught and THEIR KIDS paid the price.
Actually, a bunch of kids and families who had nothing to do with any of it are now paying the price as well. This includes kids from other clubs who were considering going to the Wave for AA.
Paying the price or just informed? This could have easily happened to them as well!
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You can assume what you want. The manager, coach, and club are the only ones that know the truth. It is truly hurtful and mean to point the finger at someone when no one but those three truly know the situation and everything involved. Maybe one or two are a little to blame, because of the what they were advised, and honestly did not know any better. And the person that advised on the situation will not take any accountability, and the other parties involved are taking all the blame! But if it makes you feel good to bash people and a situation you truly know nothing about but hearsay and assumptions,more power to you.
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Anyone play this weekend?
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You can assume what you want. The manager, coach, and club are the only ones that know the truth. It is truly hurtful and mean to point the finger at someone when no one but those three truly know the situation and everything involved. Maybe one or two are a little to blame, because of the what they were advised, and honestly did not know any better. And the person that advised on the situation will not take any accountability, and the other parties involved are taking all the blame! But if it makes you feel good to bash people and a situation you truly know nothing about but hearsay and assumptions,more power to you.
Assumptions not anymore, people from your team last week at TSC spilled the beans. That bar upstairs is a great thing. Hurtful and Mean are you kidding me what you did was hurtful to every player on your team and any team that you beat with a falsified roster that you entered. Maybe a little to blame is that like hey mom the baseball only broken a little bit of the window, don’t worry I’m only a little pregnant, it’s okay don’t worry it’s only a little bit of syphilis. Why don’t you tell us here what you did since You, the Coach and Club are the only ones to know how you planned to deceive everyone. So here you again blaming club for your responsibility to enter a correct scoresheet. If the club told you to do this and you thought this was okay I’d hate to see where your moral compass points when nobody is looking. If you have any questions to where this is right or wrong information you were given, you could’ve opened up a rulebook and read the rules. But you chose not to you chose what you thought was the best way for you, and in the process, You the Couch and the Club screwed your kids and all the other teams that you played with the falsified roster. So please come back here and do tell how YOU handled the issue.
Mrs. Manager or was that Mismanaged.
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A player was never put on our roster that did not play! If you feel that is a fact, please tell me who it was. Players on the roster, were not left on intentionally or to mislead anyone, ever! Every single player on that roster practiced and played in games with the team.
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You can assume what you want. The manager, coach, and club are the only ones that know the truth. It is truly hurtful and mean to point the finger at someone when no one but those three truly know the situation and everything involved. Maybe one or two are a little to blame, because of the what they were advised, and honestly did not know any better. And the person that advised on the situation will not take any accountability, and the other parties involved are taking all the blame! But if it makes you feel good to bash people and a situation you truly know nothing about but hearsay and assumptions,more power to you.
Assumptions not anymore, people from your team last week at TSC spilled the beans. That bar upstairs is a great thing. Hurtful and Mean are you kidding me what you did was hurtful to every player on your team and any team that you beat with a falsified roster that you entered. Maybe a little to blame is that like hey mom the baseball only broken a little bit of the window, don’t worry I’m only a little pregnant, it’s okay don’t worry it’s only a little bit of syphilis. Why don’t you tell us here what you did since You, the Coach and Club are the only ones to know how you planned to deceive everyone. So here you again blaming club for your responsibility to enter a correct scoresheet. If the club told you to do this and you thought this was okay I’d hate to see where your moral compass points when nobody is looking. If you have any questions to where this is right or wrong information you were given, you could’ve opened up a rulebook and read the rules. But you chose not to you chose what you thought was the best way for you, and in the process, You the Couch and the Club screwed your kids and all the other teams that you played with the falsified roster. So please come back here and do tell how YOU handled the issue.
Mrs. Manager or was that Mismanaged.
Man, hurt ego's and quitters sure bring the lies out by the dozens.
Ok Power Play, which parent are you mentioned by Northland in the original article about the Wave team?
"PARENTS
Parent 1
Ripped kid of the team early on because his kid was not getting enough ice time and in my opinion did so in a cowardly way because it was too early in the season for lines to even be set.
Parent 2
Ripped kid off the team (Quit) and I heard (not directly) her reasoning was her kid was not being treated fairly.
Did not see any of that, but that parent has been on the war path every since.
Parent 3
Ripped her kid of the team in December because she claimed her kid was not being treated fairly.
Moving to a back up role seemed to be the more likely reason.
It seems this parent had so much venom because her star moved to more of a semi-back up role (due to being outplayed) that her ego could not take it so she took the information she had about the added player knowing he did not actually play 10 games and complained to CAHA shortly before playoffs stating that the team was cheating.
It seemed carefully planned out with one intention: To make sure that the Wave 2 kids paid the price and were removed from the playoffs.
She did not hurt the parents, she hurt the kids and she took something away from them that she could never have earned on her own.That speaks volumes for what this individual stands for and having had kids played travel for 5 years I have never seen a more vindictive move to intentionally break the heart of kids that busted tail all year (fairly) to earn a spot.
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Regardless you are a liar because you state falsehoods in your post. You try to make it sound legit by saying "people from your team last week at TSC spilled the beans. That bar upstairs is a great thing."
I know every one of the Wave kids and parents that are trying out for the Jr. Kings this season (2006 and 2005 kids) and all of them liked the coach and the manager. Stop spreading lies because as Hockey_Mama said you don't know anything about what happened and I think she stated what happened clearly in previous posts.
The Manger is friends with all the parents except the quitters.
That team made the playoffs 100% legit, they were down players, there were no star players secretly rostered, there was no cheating and the player that was added that did not play enough games was not a AA caliber player.
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Wow! I remember this season. Come to think of it, PWA was as bad then as it is now. Also, explains why Wave had (2) A teams in 17-18 and zero AA teams. This was also the FIRST season to introduce the PWBB division.... I remember thinking many more teams should have been BB... same is the case EVERY YEAR! Past 16 teams, all you get are games with running clocks and huge blowouts. What a waste. It took a couple seasons, but 12UBB has had 16 teams in it for the last two years. UNFORTUNATELY, the 12UA division has had and average of over 20 teams year after year making it some of the worst hockey around. The effect on clubs and teams? Trying to fill too many teams and clubs sending teams to AA that are loaded from the urban flight from the ghetto PWA. Always a bottleneck to the top few clubs.
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Get back in the Delorean to 2020 !
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Get back in the Delorean to 2020 !
;D ;D ;D I knew you would find this post!