Well Bears won state in Batman AA last year and have kids returning.
The Wada wave 04 team won state in Pee Wee AA last year and they all move up.
Seems like two top teams?
Sharks have an all 03 team and GSE pretty much 03 too.
not too sure that Wada Wave will be a strong contender in this division since it is their first year in Bantam and heard that they lost a few players.
Empire is the team to beat this year. Most are returning players from last years AA playdown team. OC03 should be strong too.
Empire only has 6-7 returning players but has picked up three 03 players (1 F, 1D, & 1G). Most likely Bears, Sharks, Blackhawks, GSE to be top 4.
I would say GSE, Blackhawks, Sharks from Nor Cal. JK, JD, OC, Empire, Bears would be my top eight. Don't know much about Valencia.
I don't see either wave, 04 JK2, 04 JD2, 04 OC2, Reign, Saints, Mariners, GSE2 making the top eight.
Bicks team played Wada's spring team, Angry Eskimos. Bicks and his 9parents have NEVER beaten any of the teams, I think that's really what the issue is. Ref was a Bicks crony.. But it is what it is. Lines were crossed.not too sure that Wada Wave will be a strong contender in this division since it is their first year in Bantam and heard that they lost a few players.
Wada Wave's 2 lost players were replaced by 3 other kids that aren't exactly chopped liver... so I'd expect them to be competitive but Bantam AA's top flight will likely consist of 03 heavy teams, which is to be expected. With some luck, Wada's team should squeeze into lower top flight territory.
Curious to know if there are any other pure 04 Bantam AA teams like Wada Wave or Lektrop's Kings this year?
Bickleys OC2 team is all 04 with the exception of 3 players.
If your team does not make the upper flight... will you ask for a release?
Question came up and I'd love to hear all of your opinions..
If your team does not make the upper flight... will you ask for a release?
I myself wouldn't, but I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I predict that a parent on the Wada Wave will be ejected during the season.
I predict that a parent on the Wada Wave will be ejected during the season.Why would you talk trash about the Wada Wave's parents. Are you mad that you aren't on that team? Shut your mouth.
I predict that a parent on the Wada Wave will be ejected during the season.Why would you talk trash about the Wada Wave's parents. Are you mad that you aren't on that team? Shut your mouth.
I predict that a parent on the Wada Wave will be ejected during the season.Why would you talk trash about the Wada Wave's parents. Are you mad that you aren't on that team? Shut your mouth.
Wada Wave parents are most likely to BBQ in the parking before a game with cold drinks in their hands. From what I have seen a fun bunch overall.I second that. We've scrimmaged them in the past and they are the only peeps I know of that properly use a tail gate....as a set up for a full bar. Here's to the invent of adding a 110v outlet to the bed, for a blender of course! ;D
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊
Wada Wave parents are most likely to BBQ in the parking before a game with cold drinks in their hands. From what I have seen a fun bunch overall.I second that. We've scrimmaged them in the past and they are the only peeps I know of that properly use a tail gate....as a set up for a full bar. Here's to the invent of adding a 110v outlet to the bed, for a blender of course! ;D
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊
No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊
No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.
If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.
I wasn't at the game, and I dont think you were either, but I'm sure if there were many people upset, there may have been an issue. I'm am pretty sure that if your little Gretzky got ejected from a game, you would lose your mind. One play of a game delivers many opinions. Primarily who's side they are on determines objectivity of said opinion.
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊
No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.
If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.
I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job. I've seen people ejected for some really stupid reasons. I apologize that it was believed I was attacking the team. That said, I have no intention of quitting my day job.
I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job. That said I have no intention of quitting my day job.
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊
No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.
If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.
I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job. I've seen people ejected for some really stupid reasons. I apologize that it was believed I was attacking the team. That said, I have no intention of quitting my day job.
I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job. That said I have no intention of quitting my day job.
I pretty sure you referenced the ref ejecting someone and the people getting upset. Since these are not adults, narrows it down to who is getting ejected. The players should not be referenced, it they sometimes are. Not the case here. I am pretty sure you would be highly upset and would display your opposing view
C C C C CAN'T WWEEEE.........C CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG.....??????What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊
No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.
If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.
I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job. I've seen people ejected for some really stupid reasons. I apologize that it was believed I was attacking the team. That said, I have no intention of quitting my day job.
I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job. That said I have no intention of quitting my day job.
I pretty sure you referenced the ref ejecting someone and the people getting upset. Since these are not adults, narrows it down to who is getting ejected. The players should not be referenced, it they sometimes are. Not the case here. I am pretty sure you would be highly upset and would display your opposing view
This is a prediction thread and I was making a joke prediction. This is not a serious site and is only used by most to pass the time. It was only meant to start activity on the site.
I do not know what game you are referring... Maybe I should have done more research. You seem to know who I am so, we can discuss in person if you like. I assigned no blame in any of my comments and made no analyses of a situation. Believe it or not, there was no malicious intent. Again, I apologize for upsetting you and your team.
What's your beef with WW? You apparently do not like them or their parents. And it appears they don't like you either 🙊
No beef, it was a joke but, apparently it upset folks.
If that was a joke, I hope you don't quit your day job.
I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job. I've seen people ejected for some really stupid reasons. I apologize that it was believed I was attacking the team. That said, I have no intention of quitting my day job.
I honestly do not know why a ref ejecting someone would upset people, it is not like the refs do a good job. That said I have no intention of quitting my day job.
I pretty sure you referenced the ref ejecting someone and the people getting upset. Since these are not adults, narrows it down to who is getting ejected. The players should not be referenced, it they sometimes are. Not the case here. I am pretty sure you would be highly upset and would display your opposing view
This is a prediction thread and I was making a joke prediction. This is not a serious site and is only used by most to pass the time. It was only meant to start activity on the site.
I do not know what game you are referring... Maybe I should have done more research. You seem to know who I am so, we can discuss in person if you like. I assigned no blame in any of my comments and made no analyses of a situation. Believe it or not, there was no malicious intent. Again, I apologize for upsetting you and your team.
Are you frickin kidding me? So much over-sensitivity. This is the Bantam page. It is assumed that if you are here, you've been around the 'youth hockey' block SEVERAL times. Grow a set and learn not to take this site too seriously. And by the way, although it is rare, parents do in fact get ejected from games by the referee.
Wada Wave is playing Empire Sunday morning. Not sure if they will have their tail gate early morning though. If they did, I will just go for their tail gate. Heard they used to bring a massage chair to their tail gates.They are bringing the chair back. The kicked out parent will need some place to sit. ;D
*Alternate Reality Picks*Only with the help of a good slap shot.....even then barely. 😎
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*Alternate Reality Picks*Only with the help of a good slap shot.....even then barely. 😎
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Hahahaaha. Still Salty!!!
Just admit that your coaches game plan to hack-a-shaq a certain player backfired by focusing way too much energy on one kid. AND, he still scored the game winner... ;) ;) ;)
You still sandbagging your kid in Colorado? :o*Alternate Reality Picks*Only with the help of a good slap shot.....even then barely. 😎
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Hahahaaha. Still Salty!!!
Just admit that your coaches game plan to hack-a-shaq a certain player backfired by focusing way too much energy on one kid. AND, he still scored the game winner... ;) ;) ;)
Ducks 1 and Kings 1 tied 3-3 In a scrimmage today.
6-3 Bears, final
6-3 Bears, final
Darn is that the 04 Ducks or 03 Ducks? Still damn!
6-3 Bears, final
Darn is that the 04 Ducks or 03 Ducks? Still damn!
It was 03 AAA
Let's be honest though... Ducks are a weak AAA.. Bears looked
Very good though
I would agree with Teemu. The 03's are not a strong group nor do I think they have anyone close to the best Bantam AAA players in SoCal.
Word is that the AA Ducks coach was bragging that his team is better than the AAA team. Also , supposedly, there is a goalie and 1 or 2 other kids playing Ducks AA instead of AAA
The 03's are not a strong group nor do I think they have anyone close to the best Bantam AAA players in SoCal.
Empire beat Wada Wave 4-0.It was a very competitive game, and as expected, Empire was the better team. But IMO, Wave played a pretty decent game despite missing players and the game could've easily been 2-1 or 3-2... Empire will bring it this year and everyone knows that, but I was encouraged to see Wada Wave, as a pure 04 team, wasn't that far behind and will no doubt compete at Bantam AA.
You still sandbagging your kid in Colorado? :o*Alternate Reality Picks*Only with the help of a good slap shot.....even then barely. 😎
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Hahahaaha. Still Salty!!!
Just admit that your coaches game plan to hack-a-shaq a certain player backfired by focusing way too much energy on one kid. AND, he still scored the game winner... ;) ;) ;)
AA scrimmages this weekend:
JD1 vs Kings 1 430 Saturday at Lakewood
OC1 vs Kings 1 8am Sunday Yorba Linda
Any others? Post them and let us know how they go
Lets have everyone take a deep breath and relax here ::) ... Its still preseason/scrimmages people!!! teams are brand new, new coaches, and new systems. All these kids just came out of a summer and are guaranteed rusty. Give it a few weeks for coaches and players to work out their kinks and then start talking. Till then good luck to all the kids...
Bears 9 - Gulls AAA 2
Bears 9 - Gulls AAA 2
At the jamboree, if a team is bad enough they can send them down to A... can it work the other way and send the Bears to AAA?
You missing the point, Caha does not care as long as it doesn't impactBears 9 - Gulls AAA 2
At the jamboree, if a team is bad enough they can send them down to A... can it work the other way and send the Bears to AAA?
CAHA has the power to do this but would never do it. The AAA schedules are already done.
You missing the point, Caha does not care as long as it doesn't impactBears 9 - Gulls AAA 2
At the jamboree, if a team is bad enough they can send them down to A... can it work the other way and send the Bears to AAA?
CAHA has the power to do this but would never do it. The AAA schedules are already done.
The big 3 clubs, ducks, kings and sharks and maybe teams coached
By a spouse of a caha board member.
And as aaa teams schedule the games themselves, I doubt it would be to
hard to change.
Word is that the AA Ducks coach was bragging that his team is better than the AAA team. Also , supposedly, there is a goalie and 1 or 2 other kids playing Ducks AA instead of AAA
One of our family friend's kid is playing JD AA. Here is what our friend had to say:
Not a single player returned from last year Ducks AA2 (which is supposedly AA1 this year).
The team has 5 forwards, one D, and a goalie that played Wave 3 Bantam A ( I know Crush will correct me they were AA and I agree that they were mid/low AA but they played A).
Better in goal as One of the last year AAA goalie didn't get picked this year so he had to play AA. It wasn't his first choice. The second goalie played Wave 3.
They (Wave 3) lost all their Defensemen except one. Top 3 of out of 4 left due to various reasons. They added 3-5 defensemen that have never played tier hockey. Two of them were picked to meet PDR (25%) and wouldn't make an 04 AA team.
Ducks AAA 03, may not be as good as Kings AAA03. They, however, will crush (no in intended) Ducks AA1. At Carmen Starr, one of our friend at Kings AA1 was told by one of the top line forward parents, we will win state championship this year. Why bother playing in our division.
I heard Kings AA1 has practiced a couple of times and tied Ducks AA1 3-3.
Ducks AA1 coach is hallucinating.
With San Jose just a few days away... who do you all think will be in the top flight? By my count.. there are 13 viable top flight team's. That means at least 3 team's get screwed.Interesting that you have the 4 NorCal teams placed outside of the top 5, yet understandable since we have yet to see them play. One thing I've learned in the last 3 years in Tier hockey is to not underestimate the NorCal teams - they almost always have 1 or 2 teams in the top 5. Also, Ducks1 over Empire? I thought EHC just beat them last Saturday, and they have five 04s on that team. Agree that da Bears are the team to beat. Should make for a fun weekend!
No particular order...
1. Bears
2. Ducks 1
3. OC 1
4. Empire
5. Kings 1
6. Sharks
7. G SE 1
8. G SE 2
9. Blackhawk
10. Wave 1
11. Wada wave
12. Saints
13. Flyers
Thoughts???
Here is my new rankings.
Bears.
Everyone Else
Is there an 03 Sharks AAA team? If I was da Bears, I'd say eff the jamboree, go up and beat the Sharks AAA team, then insist on CAHA allowing them to play up. Why waste your time in a division where you're gonna boat race everyone? Just sayin'...
Yeah, but wasn't that a PDR issue? Don't think the Bears have that problem (pretty sure MOST of their players are from the Bears last season). Whatevs, they'll get to puff out their chests this year.
With San Jose just a few days away... who do you all think will be in the top flight? By my count.. there are 13 viable top flight team's. That means at least 3 team's get screwed.I think you nailed it!
No particular order...
1. Bears
2. Ducks 1
3. OC 1
4. Empire
5. Kings 1
6. Sharks
7. G SE 1
8. G SE 2
9. Blackhawk
10. Wave 1
11. Wada wave
12. Saints
13. Flyers
Thoughts???
Oh yeah, that's right. Well, Bears don't have another Bantam AA team to support a AAA team so I guess that's out. Bummer.Yeah, but wasn't that a PDR issue? Don't think the Bears have that problem (pretty sure MOST of their players are from the Bears last season). Whatevs, they'll get to puff out their chests this year.
Riptide reason had nothing to do with PDR. It had to do with having enough A/B teams to field a AA team.
Maybe Da Bears parents don't want to deal with the bull shit of doing AAA ??
12 actually. 3x Ducks, Kings, Gulls, and Sharks. But it's a moot point so, moving on... 8)Maybe Da Bears parents don't want to deal with the bull shit of doing AAA ??
Like the schedule with 6 games? lol
So looks like everyone agrees with the fact that it will be the Bears at the top of the charts. What are your predictions for below the Bears? What have you seen from the teams your sons team has scrimmaged? since not everyone has gotten a chance to see everyone. Inquiring minds want to know.
So looks like everyone agrees with the fact that it will be the Bears at the top of the charts. What are your predictions for below the Bears? What have you seen from the teams your sons team has scrimmaged? since not everyone has gotten a chance to see everyone. Inquiring minds want to know.
Judging by the scores reported.. Kings 1, Ducks 1, OC1, and Empire are all pretty even.
Didn't Kings 1 lose to the Wave team? not sure if the Wave team was the 03 or 04 though. Maybe the Kings had an off day?
Didn't Kings 1 lose to the Wave team? not sure if the Wave team was the 03 or 04 though. Maybe the Kings had an off day?
Didn't Kings 1 lose to the Wave team? not sure if the Wave team was the 03 or 04 though. Maybe the Kings had an off day?
Wave 04, so it must have just been an off day. (;
Stanley didn't mean it like that...actually I heard that those kids look pretty good for being a first year Bantam team....but since majority agree that the 03 teams are supposed to dominate this year...thought that maybe they had played the 03 Wave.
Ducks 1 are fine on PDR and not planning on cutting anyone if that's what you're thinking.
There is the possibility that they wont split the division.
Bears over GSE 1 1-0.... guess we shouldn't hand them the state championship just yet.
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:
Top flight:
1. Bears
2. Blackhawks
3. Sharks
4. GSE1
5. GSE2
6. Kings 1
7. OC 1
8. Ducks 1
9. Wave 1
10. Empire
Bottom flight:
1. Saints
2. Reign
3. Kings 2
4. OC 2
5. Ducks 2
6. Flyers
7. Mariners
8. Wave 2
Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.
And GSE 2 beats Bears 3-2. Interesting season ahead?
Kings 1 don't belong in the top flight.
I think the CAHA Board and presidents basically came at this whole thing with a couple main concerns:
1) An above-board coach and organization would drop their non-performing teams to Bantam A. CAHA clearly does not trust its club presidents to do the right thing so everyone gets summoned to San Jose for an audition. I guess the presidents are worried players would leave once the LOI has been voided and therefore can't be trusted to objectively evaluate their own teams. Personally, I doubt players leaving would happen in any great numbers. Most A teams have enough players by now. There is nowhere for the disgruntled AA player to go. Teams should play at the level they belong. Period.
2) CAHA created a rule mandating a AAA organization must have 2 AA teams if they want to keep the AAA team.
CAHA Rule 8.1.b states, "Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at the Tier II level in the current and previous season."
If we use the Jr. Reign as an example we can shed some light on the matter. They sent 3 AA teams to San Jose. The club also has an 18AAA team. The result of the weekend for the Riverside-based organization is:
12AA: 1-3
14AA: 1-3 (The one win was against the very weak JK2 squad. The scores of the games they lost were 1-9, 0-7 and 0-3).
16AA: 1-1-2
I believe the Reign also have ab 18AA team but they weren't in San Jose. I don't know how good they are but this team alone will not be enough to maintain the club's AAA eligibility.
Based on performance at the evaluation jamboree, one could make the argumnent that all three participating teams should be dropped to A. That, however, would jeopardize the viability of the 18AAA team. CAHA appears to want the Jr. Reign to keep their AAA eligibility. For this reason we have a silly new AA tier scheme. Jr. Reign teams get to stay "AA" and no LOIs are voided. It's a brilliant plan.
The problem is that several other teams will be going down with the ship. I feel bad for the "bubble" teams that will be needed to complete a 2nd flight system to accomodate the Jr. Reign.
I really hope I am wrong. If CAHA comes out and tells the Jr. Reign to drop to A I will be the first to congratulate them.
I think the CAHA Board and presidents basically came at this whole thing with a couple main concerns:
1) An above-board coach and organization would drop their non-performing teams to Bantam A. CAHA clearly does not trust its club presidents to do the right thing so everyone gets summoned to San Jose for an audition. I guess the presidents are worried players would leave once the LOI has been voided and therefore can't be trusted to objectively evaluate their own teams. Personally, I doubt players leaving would happen in any great numbers. Most A teams have enough players by now. There is nowhere for the disgruntled AA player to go. Teams should play at the level they belong. Period.
2) CAHA created a rule mandating a AAA organization must have 2 AA teams if they want to keep the AAA team.
CAHA Rule 8.1.b states, "Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at the Tier II level in the current and previous season."
If we use the Jr. Reign as an example we can shed some light on the matter. They sent 3 AA teams to San Jose. The club also has an 18AAA team. The result of the weekend for the Riverside-based organization is:
12AA: 1-3
14AA: 1-3 (The one win was against the very weak JK2 squad. The scores of the games they lost were 1-9, 0-7 and 0-3).
16AA: 1-1-2
I believe the Reign also have ab 18AA team but they weren't in San Jose. I don't know how good they are but this team alone will not be enough to maintain the club's AAA eligibility.
Based on performance at the evaluation jamboree, one could make the argumnent that all three participating teams should be dropped to A. That, however, would jeopardize the viability of the 18AAA team. CAHA appears to want the Jr. Reign to keep their AAA eligibility. For this reason we have a silly new AA tier scheme. Jr. Reign teams get to stay "AA" and no LOIs are voided. It's a brilliant plan.
The problem is that several other teams will be going down with the ship. I feel bad for the "bubble" teams that will be needed to complete a 2nd flight system to accomodate the Jr. Reign.
I really hope I am wrong. If CAHA comes out and tells the Jr. Reign to drop to A I will be the first to congratulate them.
Drops Mic and walks off stage.
Perfect
Jr Reign 18 AA went 0-4 at the Lake Forest tourney this weekend and had 3 G 24 GA
This will be talked about all year!
There are 4-5 teams that clearly belong in the top group. There are 3-4 that clearly belong in the second group. That leaves 7-9 teams in limbo. Teams will be placed in the wrong group.
This rule is almost as stupid as the PK icing rule change.
This will be talked about all year!
There are 4-5 teams that clearly belong in the top group. There are 3-4 that clearly belong in the second group. That leaves 7-9 teams in limbo. Teams will be placed in the wrong group.
This rule is almost as stupid as the PK icing rule change.
That icing on the PK is so stupid. So our kids are just trying to feather it out and just goes to their D
Okay, 1st annual CAHA Jamboree Festival Extravaganza is over and here are the raw results (Bantam data from stats sheet).
In order by win/loss:
Flight 1:
OC1
GSE 2
Sharks
Empire
Bears
GSE 1
Wave 2
Ducks 1
Mariners
Flight 2:
Valencia
OC2
Blackhawks
Wave 1
Saints
Ducks 2
Jr. Reign
Kings 1
Kings 2
Recognizing simple match up differences, here is the rankings by Goal Differentials:
Flight 1:
OC1
GSE 2
Empire
Sharks
Bears
Blackhawks
GSE 1
Wave 2
Wave 1
Flight 2:
Ducks 1
Valencia
OC 2
Saints
Kings 1
Mariners
Ducks 2
Kings 2
Jr. Reign
Before any first order schedule strength analysis, the indications show a clear top 5 and a bottom 3. 10 in the middle. Looks like a regular league.
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:
Top flight:
1. Bears
2. Blackhawks
3. Sharks
4. GSE1
5. GSE2
6. Kings 1
7. OC 1
8. Ducks 1
9. Wave 1
10. Empire
Bottom flight:
1. Saints
2. Reign
3. Kings 2
4. OC 2
5. Ducks 2
6. Flyers
7. Mariners
8. Wave 2
Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:
Top flight:
1. Bears
2. Blackhawks
3. Sharks
4. GSE1
5. GSE2
6. Kings 1
7. OC 1
8. Ducks 1
9. Wave 1
10. Empire
Bottom flight:
1. Saints
2. Reign
3. Kings 2
4. OC 2
5. Ducks 2
6. Flyers
7. Mariners
8. Wave 2
Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.
I'm still sticking with this list... although an argument can be made for Wave 2 to bump someone out.
For a legit analysis you need to see the team's play... some of those team's were tiny and will get blown off the ice by the big boys (OC1, bears, Empire, GSE) mariners won a few games against weak team's but got destroyed by OC1. OC had more short handed shots then the mariners had total shots.
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:
Top flight:
1. Bears
2. Blackhawks
3. Sharks
4. GSE1
5. GSE2
6. Kings 1
7. OC 1
8. Ducks 1
9. Wave 1
10. Empire
Bottom flight:
1. Saints
2. Reign
3. Kings 2
4. OC 2
5. Ducks 2
6. Flyers
7. Mariners
8. Wave 2
You should bump Ducks one out. Bears destroyed them 7-0 at one point till they backed off.
Teemu8 Says, "I'm sticking with this list....."
Teemu8, I think your list is interesting. To be honest, it confirms my greatest fears: Teams will be "Flighted" based on differing degrees of entitlement rather than actual merit. I miss the days of wins/losses deciding who the better teams were. Apparently, Jr. Kings can simply show up and they get a Flight 1 spot.
San Jose Results:
JK vs Sharks (2-3) LOSS
JK vs JD (0-2) LOSS
JK vs Wave2 (1-1)
JK vs GSE2 (1-5) LOSS
This gets them a Flight 1 spot?
The SCAHA schedule is very easy for JK1 for the most part. They get to play the Jr. Reign and the JK2 team. If memory serves me, neither team won a game in San Jose. The team does play Wave 1 but you have listed both as Flight 1 teams.
The fun game will be on October 1 when the Jr. Flyers get a shot at them. You have the Jr. Flyers in the bottom flight.
If the Flyers beat JK1 will you change your mind or do JK1 get Flight 1 simply because, well, they are the Kings after all?
You can't flight this thing based only on 4 games worth of wins and losses. Blackhawk lost 3 games.. but I saw them play.. they are damn good and belong in top flight. Base on "actual wins and losses they would be bottom flight and that's just wrong.
You can't flight this thing based only on 4 games worth of wins and losses. Blackhawk lost 3 games.. but I saw them play.. they are damn good and belong in top flight. Base on "actual wins and losses they would be bottom flight and that's just wrong.
I watched the Blackhawks a bit and they lost to damn good teams and the games were all close, that's why I slotted them 6th, right under teams that are clearly above most in Bantam AA. It's useless to go by point, win/loss or GF. The top 6 and bottom 5 are clear as day. It's the middle of the pack that's murky and very difficult to evaluate.
I think the CAHA Board and presidents basically came at this whole thing with a couple main concerns:
1) An above-board coach and organization would drop their non-performing teams to Bantam A. CAHA clearly does not trust its club presidents to do the right thing so everyone gets summoned to San Jose for an audition. I guess the presidents are worried players would leave once the LOI has been voided and therefore can't be trusted to objectively evaluate their own teams. Personally, I doubt players leaving would happen in any great numbers. Most A teams have enough players by now. There is nowhere for the disgruntled AA player to go. Teams should play at the level they belong. Period.
2) CAHA created a rule mandating a AAA organization must have 2 AA teams if they want to keep the AAA team.
CAHA Rule 8.1.b states, "Member Associations fielding Tier I teams shall maintain a minimum of two (2) teams at the Tier II level in the current and previous season."
If we use the Jr. Reign as an example we can shed some light on the matter. They sent 3 AA teams to San Jose. The club also has an 18AAA team. The result of the weekend for the Riverside-based organization is:
12AA: 1-3
14AA: 1-3 (The one win was against the very weak JK2 squad. The scores of the games they lost were 1-9, 0-7 and 0-3).
16AA: 1-1-2
I believe the Reign also have ab 18AA team but they weren't in San Jose. I don't know how good they are but this team alone will not be enough to maintain the club's AAA eligibility.
Based on performance at the evaluation jamboree, one could make the argumnent that all three participating teams should be dropped to A. That, however, would jeopardize the viability of the 18AAA team. CAHA appears to want the Jr. Reign to keep their AAA eligibility. For this reason we have a silly new AA tier scheme. Jr. Reign teams get to stay "AA" and no LOIs are voided. It's a brilliant plan.
The problem is that several other teams will be going down with the ship. I feel bad for the "bubble" teams that will be needed to complete a 2nd flight system to accomodate the Jr. Reign.
I really hope I am wrong. If CAHA comes out and tells the Jr. Reign to drop to A I will be the first to congratulate them.
Drops Mic and walks off stage.
Perfect
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team
Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA? I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team
Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA? I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team
Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA? I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team
Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA? I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.
I don't know if I'm the only one to notice but the size of most of the 04' players is drastically smaller than the 03' players this time last year. Most of the 04' players I've seen are the same height and weight as 2nd year Peewees and some are the same size as 1st year Peewees. This size difference plays a huge role in strength that translates into speed and puck protection capabilities. The other reason is checking. The PW AA state champs didn't have to deal with 5' 6" 150 lbs. of 13 or 14 year old checking them off the puck. They can have all the creativity and passing but without knowing when and how to check they're not going to be effective against many if any of the Bantam AA Major teams. Just my $0.02.
Which is why most people think that Kings 2 are the worst team
Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA? I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.
There is a simple explanation. It is Bantams, the game has changed.
It also explains why you don't want your player to peak at PW. There is lots of hockey left after 12 years old.
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:
Top flight:
1. Bears
2. Blackhawks
3. Sharks
4. GSE1
5. GSE2
6. Kings 1
7. OC 1
8. Ducks 1
9. Wave 1
10. Empire
Bottom flight:
1. Saints
2. Reign
3. Kings 2
4. OC 2
5. Ducks 2
6. Flyers
7. Mariners
8. Wave 2
You should bump Ducks one out. Bears destroyed them 7-0 at one point till they backed off.
In my opinion, Kings1, a pure 03 team, lost 3 games to mainly 03-heavy teams, couldn't beat a pure 04 team in Wave2 (lost to Wave2 also in a scrimmage 2 weeks ago) should be placed in the lower flight. Also, Ducks1 are likely middle of the pack and not a top flight team, but lets be honest here, hell will freeze over before CAHA let all 4 Kings and Ducks team be seeded in the lower flight.
Here's my list:
GSE2
Bears
OC1
GSE1
Empire
Blackhawks
Sharks
Wave1
Ducks1
Wave2
Kings1
Flyers
Saints
Mariners
OC2
Ducks2
Jr Reign
Kings2
Flyers are the odd team here... Losing to Mariners but tying GSE1!? They seem a bit all over the board...
Can anyone shed some light on how a team can go from being in the PW AA State finals to arguably one of the worst team in Ban AA? I would not expect an 04 team to be one of the top teams but, they should be a mid pack team.
They split AAA into Minor and Major, and you never hear a minor AAA team complaining they aren't major. This flight thing, I think, is an attempt at doing the same. In the end, it really may be a good thing for Bantams, at least. But egos will be hurt.
They split AAA into Minor and Major, and you never hear a minor AAA team complaining they aren't major. This flight thing, I think, is an attempt at doing the same. In the end, it really may be a good thing for Bantams, at least. But egos will be hurt.
Except that it is entirely different. Major and Minor are for 100% birth year teams, because that is how AAA hockey is structured around the country and in Canada.
It would be great if there were more birth year teams, but not all clubs have the pool of kids that allow for birth year teams.
From what I've heard, the Flight proposal came about due to "parent complaints" about having to travel to play teams that "weren't good enough to provide competition" and this was in essence a punitive system meant to discourage those teams from punching above their weight class, and simultaneously protecting the top Flight teams from having to play teams from ever having to play teams that are beneath them.
Historically, many of the suspect teams happened to be composed of younger birth year teams, using Tier2 as a training ground prior to their jump to AAA. Of course there have also been an even greater number of teams that were just completely overmatched that weren't these AAA-in-waiting teams, but the feeling coming from the play-up teams is that it doesn't matter if they lose all their games, because playing up to Squirt from Mite, and Squirt to Peewee is seasoning and preparation for the AAA tournaments they will play. They literally have no incentive to stop the practice, and rather than just change the rules so these teams can no longer take a 90%+ roster and play up a division, CAHA came up with this unnecessary Flighting system.
The irony is that it isn't even applicable to Bantam and U16 where the phenomenon of playing up doesn't exist, and it's also ill timed because they are not allowing the Mites to play up anymore (SCAHA rule 19.04) No 8U aged player may play up.
Coming off the 180 degree turn on CAHA weekends, it would have been far wiser to utilize the existing rules for a year and see how things stabilized, but instead we can all once again be test subjects for another CAHA experiment.
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Umm. Yes, there are kids that play up in AAA u16.
2009 | Youth Tier II 14U | Frisco, Texas | Los Angeles Selects, CA | Allen Park Huskies, MI |
2008 | Youth Tier I 12U | Hackensack, New Jersey | Los Angeles Selects, CA | Detroit Honeybaked, MI |
2007 | Youth Tier II 14U | Buffalo, New York | California Stars, CA | Southern Connecticut Stars, CT |
2006 | Youth Tier II 14U | East Lansing, Michigan | Los Angeles Hockey Club, CA | Long Island Rebels, NY |
2006 | Youth Tier I 16U | Rochester, New York | California Wave, CA | New Jersey Devils, NJ |
2006 | Youth Tier I 14U | Rochester, New York | Los Angeles Selects, CA | Rochester Americans, NY |
2004 | Youth Tier II 16U | Ellenton, Florida | Long Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CA | Ellenton Eels, FL |
2003 | Youth Tier I 16U | Marlboro, Massachusetts | Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA | New Jersey Rockets, NJ |
2003 | Youth Tier I 14U | Buffalo, New York | California Wave 88's, CA | Shattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN |
2002 | Youth Tier I 14U | Colorado Springs, Colorado | Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA | Madison Capitols, WI |
2000 | Youth Tier I 12U | Anchorage, Alaska | Los Angeles Junior Kings, CA | Detroit Little Caesars, MI |
1997 | Youth Tier II 14U | Bismarck, North Dakota | Los Angeles Wildcats, CA | North Andover Knights, MA |
Just for Funzies here is a list of CA national championship teams (Tier I and Tier II) - excluding the gals for this exercise
and who they played. Its been a while since we were competitive at the national level. Not sure if "flighting" is a way to solve this drought
2009 Youth Tier II 14U Frisco, Texas Los Angeles Selects, CA Allen Park Huskies, MI 2008 Youth Tier I 12U Hackensack, New Jersey Los Angeles Selects, CA Detroit Honeybaked, MI 2007 Youth Tier II 14U Buffalo, New York California Stars, CA Southern Connecticut Stars, CT 2006 Youth Tier II 14U East Lansing, Michigan Los Angeles Hockey Club, CA Long Island Rebels, NY 2006 Youth Tier I 16U Rochester, New York California Wave, CA New Jersey Devils, NJ 2006 Youth Tier I 14U Rochester, New York Los Angeles Selects, CA Rochester Americans, NY 2004 Youth Tier II 16U Ellenton, Florida Long Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CA Ellenton Eels, FL 2003 Youth Tier I 16U Marlboro, Massachusetts Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA New Jersey Rockets, NJ 2003 Youth Tier I 14U Buffalo, New York California Wave 88's, CA Shattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN 2002 Youth Tier I 14U Colorado Springs, Colorado Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA Madison Capitols, WI 2000 Youth Tier I 12U Anchorage, Alaska Los Angeles Junior Kings, CA Detroit Little Caesars, MI 1997 Youth Tier II 14U Bismarck, North Dakota Los Angeles Wildcats, CA North Andover Knights, MA
Just for Funzies here is a list of CA national championship teams (Tier I and Tier II) - excluding the gals for this exercise
and who they played. Its been a while since we were competitive at the national level. Not sure if "flighting" is a way to solve this drought
2009 Youth Tier II 14U Frisco, Texas Los Angeles Selects, CA Allen Park Huskies, MI 2008 Youth Tier I 12U Hackensack, New Jersey Los Angeles Selects, CA Detroit Honeybaked, MI 2007 Youth Tier II 14U Buffalo, New York California Stars, CA Southern Connecticut Stars, CT 2006 Youth Tier II 14U East Lansing, Michigan Los Angeles Hockey Club, CA Long Island Rebels, NY 2006 Youth Tier I 16U Rochester, New York California Wave, CA New Jersey Devils, NJ 2006 Youth Tier I 14U Rochester, New York Los Angeles Selects, CA Rochester Americans, NY 2004 Youth Tier II 16U Ellenton, Florida Long Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CA Ellenton Eels, FL 2003 Youth Tier I 16U Marlboro, Massachusetts Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA New Jersey Rockets, NJ 2003 Youth Tier I 14U Buffalo, New York California Wave 88's, CA Shattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN 2002 Youth Tier I 14U Colorado Springs, Colorado Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA Madison Capitols, WI 2000 Youth Tier I 12U Anchorage, Alaska Los Angeles Junior Kings, CA Detroit Little Caesars, MI 1997 Youth Tier II 14U Bismarck, North Dakota Los Angeles Wildcats, CA North Andover Knights, MA
Just for Funzies here is a list of CA national championship teams (Tier I and Tier II) - excluding the gals for this exercise
and who they played. Its been a while since we were competitive at the national level. Not sure if "flighting" is a way to solve this drought
2009 Youth Tier II 14U Frisco, Texas Los Angeles Selects, CA Allen Park Huskies, MI 2008 Youth Tier I 12U Hackensack, New Jersey Los Angeles Selects, CA Detroit Honeybaked, MI 2007 Youth Tier II 14U Buffalo, New York California Stars, CA Southern Connecticut Stars, CT 2006 Youth Tier II 14U East Lansing, Michigan Los Angeles Hockey Club, CA Long Island Rebels, NY 2006 Youth Tier I 16U Rochester, New York California Wave, CA New Jersey Devils, NJ 2006 Youth Tier I 14U Rochester, New York Los Angeles Selects, CA Rochester Americans, NY 2004 Youth Tier II 16U Ellenton, Florida Long Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CA Ellenton Eels, FL 2003 Youth Tier I 16U Marlboro, Massachusetts Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA New Jersey Rockets, NJ 2003 Youth Tier I 14U Buffalo, New York California Wave 88's, CA Shattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN 2002 Youth Tier I 14U Colorado Springs, Colorado Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA Madison Capitols, WI 2000 Youth Tier I 12U Anchorage, Alaska Los Angeles Junior Kings, CA Detroit Little Caesars, MI 1997 Youth Tier II 14U Bismarck, North Dakota Los Angeles Wildcats, CA North Andover Knights, MA
Interesting. Any thoughts about why the drop-off since 2008/09?
Just for Funzies here is a list of CA national championship teams (Tier I and Tier II) - excluding the gals for this exercise
and who they played. Its been a while since we were competitive at the national level. Not sure if "flighting" is a way to solve this drought
2009 Youth Tier II 14U Frisco, Texas Los Angeles Selects, CA Allen Park Huskies, MI 2008 Youth Tier I 12U Hackensack, New Jersey Los Angeles Selects, CA Detroit Honeybaked, MI 2007 Youth Tier II 14U Buffalo, New York California Stars, CA Southern Connecticut Stars, CT 2006 Youth Tier II 14U East Lansing, Michigan Los Angeles Hockey Club, CA Long Island Rebels, NY 2006 Youth Tier I 16U Rochester, New York California Wave, CA New Jersey Devils, NJ 2006 Youth Tier I 14U Rochester, New York Los Angeles Selects, CA Rochester Americans, NY 2004 Youth Tier II 16U Ellenton, Florida Long Beach Jr. Ice Dogs, CA Ellenton Eels, FL 2003 Youth Tier I 16U Marlboro, Massachusetts Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA New Jersey Rockets, NJ 2003 Youth Tier I 14U Buffalo, New York California Wave 88's, CA Shattuck-St. Mary's Sabres, MN 2002 Youth Tier I 14U Colorado Springs, Colorado Los Angeles Jr. Kings, CA Madison Capitols, WI 2000 Youth Tier I 12U Anchorage, Alaska Los Angeles Junior Kings, CA Detroit Little Caesars, MI 1997 Youth Tier II 14U Bismarck, North Dakota Los Angeles Wildcats, CA North Andover Knights, MA
As my daughter would say Cool story Bro!
This has zero to do with the silly flight system and the fact that CAHA is killing CA hockey.
Hey I am just a stupid white guy (Plantation Peach) to be PC but didn't 2010 Orange County HC beat Florida 16aa Philadelphia. JD (Jr Kings Coach) and JB do not know where his is coaching now.
The flight system IS silly and CAHA IS killing CA Hockey. Youth Hockey survives in spite of CAHA, not because of CAHA.Spot on assessment. 2 AAA 03 teams this year are prime examples of this.
The reason why we did so well back in the day for a stretch was because there were not a lot of clubs doing AAA back then / nor AA for that matter - most clubs were A/B only. The Elite player pool was tighter, had fewer options hence they stayed together for several years. Only a few coaches coached at that level as well. It was not a business per se. For example.. if you did not play on the WAVE 89 Team, You just did not play on AAA. Also.. It was pretty cut throat, if a AA player from the Wave player wanting on AAA team did not make tryouts, they were cut - sometimes from the club. Little concern for please "stay in the club". You were done. Pretty brutal, but effective in simply getting best players on team.
The concept now is keeping the player in your club from 8-18 - possibly at the expense of talent.
I think the talent order of appearance over time was the JR Kings, then the WAVE, then LA Hockey. When LA Hockey came on-board, other clubs started catching on that if they ALSO developed a AAA program, they can keep those AA players.. and keep all those A players. More AAA teams also gave 2nd line / 3rd line players the chance to be 1st line material at another newer AAA club.. dilution of talent.. as simple as that. 13 years ago.. that player would have been SOL and would have to play AA hockey, or stop playing.
You can always create more clubs and AAA Teams, but you cannot simply create more talent.
If you really want to solve it you:
take the current set of AAA teams and you keep the top 20% of players and let the rest go they are not AAA material. Create two teams at each level (no major, no minor) - Don't care what club runs them.. heck they can switch it up every year of they like. But 2 teams for so-cal period per age group period. The rest can go play AA, and so on down the line it goes.
You would once again have a powerhouse AAA presence, and players that are fortunate enough and/or talented enough will get better faster.
Anything short of that, though, results in average teams that bow out in Nationals, empty promises, and a big dent in your bank account for spending a ton of dough.
I probably have a lot of facts wrong, but that is how I view the current state of tier hockey.
This issue.. and of course the absurd overreaching punitive nature of CAHA.. is killing AAA/AA hockey.
The flight system IS silly and CAHA IS killing CA Hockey. Youth Hockey survives in spite of CAHA, not because of CAHA.
The reason why we did so well back in the day for a stretch was because there were not a lot of clubs doing AAA back then / nor AA for that matter - most clubs were A/B only. The Elite player pool was tighter, had fewer options hence they stayed together for several years. Only a few coaches coached at that level as well. It was not a business per se. For example.. if you did not play on the WAVE 89 Team, You just did not play on AAA. Also.. It was pretty cut throat, if a AA player from the Wave player wanting on AAA team did not make tryouts, they were cut - sometimes from the club. Little concern for please "stay in the club". You were done. Pretty brutal, but effective in simply getting best players on team.
The concept now is keeping the player in your club from 8-18 - possibly at the expense of talent.
This issue.. and of course the absurd overreaching punitive nature of CAHA.. is killing AAA/AA hockey.
Holy shit......can you keep your rambles to the Cliff Note versions. :)The flight system IS silly and CAHA IS killing CA Hockey. Youth Hockey survives in spite of CAHA, not because of CAHA.
The reason why we did so well back in the day for a stretch was because there were not a lot of clubs doing AAA back then / nor AA for that matter - most clubs were A/B only. The Elite player pool was tighter, had fewer options hence they stayed together for several years. Only a few coaches coached at that level as well. It was not a business per se. For example.. if you did not play on the WAVE 89 Team, You just did not play on AAA. Also.. It was pretty cut throat, if a AA player from the Wave player wanting on AAA team did not make tryouts, they were cut - sometimes from the club. Little concern for please "stay in the club". You were done. Pretty brutal, but effective in simply getting best players on team.
The concept now is keeping the player in your club from 8-18 - possibly at the expense of talent.
This issue.. and of course the absurd overreaching punitive nature of CAHA.. is killing AAA/AA hockey.
It's funny you would say this. Because at the '05 level, the best team in the country the last few years has been the Philly Little Flyers that play out of Aston, PA. Interesting to see that they already have lost a game this season in tournament play, to a team from New Jersey. There are easily 10 AAA teams within the 1-1.5 hour drive radius, and any number of those teams will be ranked in the top 20 nationally, with quite a few in the Top10.
How does that jibe with your dissolution of talent theory? Countries like Finland and Sweden do not stress early specialization in hockey. They stress multiple sports and the development of athleticism, and routinely create professional players at a high number when looking at overall population. I keep seeing this narrative articulated over and over that the important thing is that California should have a few AAA teams where all the talent is concentrated and that these teams will then win all the championships and this will be good for hockey.
I can't for the life of me understand this thinking. Youth hockey is a sport, and the sport is for the enjoyment of its participants. Other people on these boards have brought up the low percentage of AAA players the state has vs. the overall player base. CAHA has fully embraced the philosophy you espouse, and it hasn't been producing national championships (which is something that will always be reserved for a select few (and involves a lot of right place, right time, plain old luck).
There's that popular Brick video floating around, where a couple of Toronto teams were playing each other, and the ice is full of future NHL'ers (Stamkos, Jordan Eberle, Martin Jones, Michael Del Zotto, etc). Nobody up there is fretting over the fact that they don't create one "super 10 year old team" and make sure that they keep that team together for 6 years so they can rack up as many youth hockey championships as possible. Out of all those super teams from the good old days, how many continued up into the highest levels of hockey?
The flight system IS silly and CAHA IS killing CA Hockey. Youth Hockey survives in spite of CAHA, not because of CAHA.
The reason why we did so well back in the day for a stretch was because there were not a lot of clubs doing AAA back then / nor AA for that matter - most clubs were A/B only. The Elite player pool was tighter, had fewer options hence they stayed together for several years. Only a few coaches coached at that level as well. It was not a business per se. For example.. if you did not play on the WAVE 89 Team, You just did not play on AAA. Also.. It was pretty cut throat, if a AA player from the Wave player wanting on AAA team did not make tryouts, they were cut - sometimes from the club. Little concern for please "stay in the club". You were done. Pretty brutal, but effective in simply getting best players on team.
The concept now is keeping the player in your club from 8-18 - possibly at the expense of talent.
This issue.. and of course the absurd overreaching punitive nature of CAHA.. is killing AAA/AA hockey.
It's funny you would say this. Because at the '05 level, the best team in the country the last few years has been the Philly Little Flyers that play out of Aston, PA. Interesting to see that they already have lost a game this season in tournament play, to a team from New Jersey. There are easily 10 AAA teams within the 1-1.5 hour drive radius, and any number of those teams will be ranked in the top 20 nationally, with quite a few in the Top10.
How does that jibe with your dissolution of talent theory? Countries like Finland and Sweden do not stress early specialization in hockey. They stress multiple sports and the development of athleticism, and routinely create professional players at a high number when looking at overall population. I keep seeing this narrative articulated over and over that the important thing is that California should have a few AAA teams where all the talent is concentrated and that these teams will then win all the championships and this will be good for hockey.
I can't for the life of me understand this thinking. Youth hockey is a sport, and the sport is for the enjoyment of its participants. Other people on these boards have brought up the low percentage of AAA players the state has vs. the overall player base. CAHA has fully embraced the philosophy you espouse, and it hasn't been producing national championships (which is something that will always be reserved for a select few (and involves a lot of right place, right time, plain old luck).
There's that popular Brick video floating around, where a couple of Toronto teams were playing each other, and the ice is full of future NHL'ers (Stamkos, Jordan Eberle, Martin Jones, Michael Del Zotto, etc). Nobody up there is fretting over the fact that they don't create one "super 10 year old team" and make sure that they keep that team together for 6 years so they can rack up as many youth hockey championships as possible. Out of all those super teams from the good old days, how many continued up into the highest levels of hockey?
Trouble in paradise. Heard top like for JD1 calling other teams. They may be leaving as the coach hasnt made it to many practices. Their defense looked bad against bears in a running clock 1:30 penalty kills. That will look worse in a real game 2 minute pk or worse in a 5 on 3 Pk.Don't worry WIPIH, hypocrisy reigns and it's good to be the king(s).
Their 4th top point producer is a forward that is being asked to play D. JK1 looked decent against empire in 2-1 loss in a scrimmage.
What happens if Jd1 loses players and Jk1 does better in Scaha games until flights are announced. Any ideas?
JK1 easily handled Jr. Reign 7-0. They looked like a AA team today.
JK(2) over Lady Ducks. 4-0
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers. Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3. Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions. IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense... PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers. Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3. Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions. IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense... PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.
Lower your standards BZ and you won't be disappointed.No doubt. After all of these years I thought the refs would be get better the older my kid got, huge mistake on my part. Although, our past two scrimmages we had great officials so yeah, maybe my expectations were a bit high...
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers. Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3. Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions. IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense... PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers. Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3. Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions. IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense... PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.
I'm not sure that's the right takeaway. None of the "03 vs. 04" SCAHA games that were played this weekend actually pitted a bubble 03 team against a bubble 04 team. To the contrary, all seemed designed to be blowouts (to the extent anybody gave any thought to it). These were certainly not the games anyone at SCAHA would have scheduled if they were looking for competitive 03 vs. 04 matchups, of which there could have been some.
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers. Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3. Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions. IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense... PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.
I'm not sure that's the right takeaway. None of the "03 vs. 04" SCAHA games that were played this weekend actually pitted a bubble 03 team against a bubble 04 team. To the contrary, all seemed designed to be blowouts (to the extent anybody gave any thought to it). These were certainly not the games anyone at SCAHA would have scheduled if they were looking for competitive 03 vs. 04 matchups, of which there could have been some.
Which 03 vs 04 matchup would you like to see? Let me Guess Wave 2 vs Kings 1? My point was that there's a very clear difference in these age groups due to puberty except for Wave 77 and a few others. Being a bubble team as 04 is a sign of good things to come but certainly doesn’t put you in a category of competing with the top 03 teams in the State (GSE’s, OC1, Bears, Sharks, Ducks 1 etc…). Getting beat in the Top division all year may be a good thing for development or winning the Bottom division and playing in tougher tournaments and obviously the SCAHA exhibition games may be just as beneficial. Hopefully you land where you want to so you can pound your chest. The kids probably don’t care so much. Good Luck!
Agree with you UHHHHDUHHHH maybe there needs to be a change in the way they arrange the Bantam division due to the size difference going on with kids going through puberty...however it seems that there wouldn't be that many 04's to create a division for just that age group. Also I am surprised that the Wave 77 isn't with an 03 team...he is big enough or is he an actual 03?
My question is this:
Why isn't the Bears in AAA?
IIRC, they've already soundly defeated 3 AAA teams in the last month...
Oh wait, nevermind, just remembered about the feeder teams rule...
I have a great Idea for how to do a flight system in Bantams.
So we could call the very top AAA
Then the level below AA
Then A
Lastly have B flight.
Sound good? Asking for a friend
Looks like SCAHA (with help from CAHA) scheduling was a purposeful message of 03 vs 04 teams or upper tier vs lower with the one exception being the possible bubble teams of Mariners vs Flyers. Scores so far are 14-0, 12-1, 10-3, 7-0, 7-3. Clearly shows the difference in these ages as 03s have mostly all started their growth spurts and 04s not so much with a few exceptions. IMO this is the only level were separating the AA division makes sense... PeeWees = no contact so doesn't matter and 16s have all had a chance to level out size wise.
I'm not sure that's the right takeaway. None of the "03 vs. 04" SCAHA games that were played this weekend actually pitted a bubble 03 team against a bubble 04 team. To the contrary, all seemed designed to be blowouts (to the extent anybody gave any thought to it). These were certainly not the games anyone at SCAHA would have scheduled if they were looking for competitive 03 vs. 04 matchups, of which there could have been some.
Which 03 vs 04 matchup would you like to see? Let me Guess Wave 2 vs Kings 1? My point was that there's a very clear difference in these age groups due to puberty except for Wave 77 and a few others. Being a bubble team as 04 is a sign of good things to come but certainly doesn’t put you in a category of competing with the top 03 teams in the State (GSE’s, OC1, Bears, Sharks, Ducks 1 etc…). Getting beat in the Top division all year may be a good thing for development or winning the Bottom division and playing in tougher tournaments and obviously the SCAHA exhibition games may be just as beneficial. Hopefully you land where you want to so you can pound your chest. The kids probably don’t care so much. Good Luck!
UhhhhDuhhhh, I didn't realize your skin was so thin, or I wouldn't have bothered responding. Which of the two of us was engaged in chest-beating? I simply made a reality-based comment. I couldn't care less about what preseason matchups SCAHA sets up or trying to divine what "purposeful messages" they might be trying to send, which is a fool's errand. Good luck at States!
UhhhhDuhhhh, I didn't realize your skin was so thin, or I wouldn't have bothered responding. Which of the two of us was engaged in chest-beating? I simply made a reality-based comment. I couldn't care less about what preseason matchups SCAHA sets up or trying to divine what "purposeful messages" they might be trying to send, which is a fool's errand. Good luck at States!
Funny! My kid won't be at States, he'll be in the Lower Tier
I have a great Idea for how to do a flight system in Bantams.Because the parents all complained that too many teams were in the wrong division. “We drove all the way to the Wildcats and it was a waste of timeâ€. Guess what? The kids still had fun pounding on them! Every now and then it’s fun to have a light week or a free square. It’s the parents who had the problem and finally CAHA listened and guess what - more complaining.
So we could call the very top AAA
Then the level below AA
Then A
Lastly have B flight.
Sound good? Asking for a friend
To me the Bears are the one organization doing it right by fielding ONE AA team which is almost all major year kids with the exception of an outstanding minor year kid here or there and then those who don’t make it ACTUALLY STAY at the club instead of searching elsewhere and they end up with a really strong A team as well. By consistently winning they will eventually have enough new bodies to do Major and Minor birth year teams at AA. Then maybe their A teams won’t be as strong, who knows...
My question is this:
Why isn't the Bears in AAA?
IIRC, they've already soundly defeated 3 AAA teams in the last month...
Oh wait, nevermind, just remembered about the feeder teams rule...
So which 3 AAA teams have they beat?
So which 3 AAA teams have they beat?
My bad, I think they only beat 2...
Ducks AAA 6-3
Gulls AAA 9-2
So which 3 AAA teams have they beat?
My bad, I think they only beat 2...
Ducks AAA 6-3
Gulls AAA 9-2
I watched that Ducks game.... it wasn't that close.... Bears dominated leading 4-0 after 1st. Ducks had to fight to get the score respectable
Why isn't anyone mentioning that the Bears list to the Ducks minor AAA team?
Oh I see, that loss doesn't count since there is an excuse attached to it.
I don't have a dog in that fight. Just thought that fact was absent from the discussion
So you get 2 average to below average AA teams instead of a good AA team and a good A team. (I am looking at you Wave lol)
Now that we're all waiting for CAHA to hand down the verdict, I still stand by my original list as I believe this is how the early season ranking should be...
GSE2 (or Bears)
Bears (or GSE2)
OC1
GSE1
Empire
Blackhawks
Sharks
Wave1
Ducks1
Wave2
Kings1
Flyers
Saints
Mariners
OC2
Ducks2
Jr Reign
Kings2
But in reality, the list below is more likely what CAHA will dish out:
Top Flight:
1 - GSE2 (or Bears)
2 - Bears (or GSE2)
3 - GSE1
4 - OC1
5 - Empire
6 - Blackhawks
7 - Sharks
8 - Ducks1
9 - Wave1
10 - Kings1
Lower Flight:
11 - Wave2
12 - Flyers
13 - Mariners
14 - Saints
15 - OC2
16 - Ducks2
17 - Jr Reign
18 - Kings2
I believe Mariners have beaten Flyers twice in the last week yet you rank Flyers higher. Interesting. The fact that Kings(1) is ranked higher than both of them is based on what?
The fact that Kings(1) is ranked higher than both of them is based on what?Ummm, they're the Kings? Please keep in mind who pulls the strings in California Hockey...
The fact that Kings(1) is ranked higher than both of them is based on what?Ummm, they're the Kings? Please keep in mind who pulls the strings in California Hockey...
I don't want to beat the proverbial dead horse, but you knew the results of San Jose when you made the list and still placed the losing team above the winning team. Does a team have to beat another team twice to be get a higher ranking?
No, it doesn't really matter. You're right.
It's just frustrating because a system has been put in place to evaluate teams but we're slowly learning that the "evaluation" isn't a fair one. In San Jose someone on our team also heard a Jr. Kings(1) coach say he was told by a CAHA evaluator that his then winless team would be a gifted a Flight 1 spot.
Yet still I trust the rational minds will prevail. I couldn't imagine the folks at CAHA would place their integrity into question when so many players, parents, coaches and club presidents are watching so closely.
game scores shouldn't matter when evaluating teams. Kings 1 might not have won a game, but they only played top flight teams (with maybe the exception of Wave 2). .....But in the end, depending what team your son is on, CAHA will get it wrong!
My guess is that the games were close enought to place them in the Top Flight. They tied Wave 2 but took it to them for most of the game.
I did see the Saints and they are a very good team.Sorry Area51 but I beg to differ.
I just want to send props to the manager of Jr. Ducks(2). It's been about three days since the teams played their first preseason games and s/he appears to be the only one who was able to successfully upload scores onto the SCAHA site.There used to be one a couple years ago when I was a manager. I think it was by Monday at 5pm.
According to information supplied by Jr. Kings(2), they played to a 0-0 tie with the Lady Ducks. Not sure that's accurate.
Nobody else even made the effort. This only applies to the managers of the home teams - Jr. Reign, Bears. Jr. Flyers, Empire and Jr. Ducks(1).
I don't believe the managers of the visiting teams needed to do anything this week. Isn't there a time limit?
I think SCAHA cares because they need the score sheets in case of possible suspensionsBut you can't enter the player because they haven't populated the rosters for AA. Doesn't matter, regardless of posting the score on SCAHA, our player's suspension showed up on CAHA on Monday anyway.
Relax, Francis. I don't think the outcome of ANY of the SCAHA exhibitions will have ANY impact on the much-anticipated flight system. Just curious, is this your first rodeo in Tier hockey? In case you were wondering, posted scores have routinely been delayed throughout the years, which is one of the main reasons this site was created - to get scores. So, no, it is not unreasonable to ask how teams did. That's why we ask here. Ask away.
Funny. You miss the point, though. You may not think the games have no meaning, but this is a bit of an exceptional year. Lots of folks say they don't think this, or they don't think that. Unfortunately, none of us really know the facts. You don't know. I don't know. It's speculation.Bingo. That's all it is. Don't mean to be so dismissive but it's safe to say that a lot of this is just smoke and mirrors. For instance, I don't care if either Kings 2 or Ducks 2 were the absolute worst teams in AA and most deservedly should be dropped to A. It'll never happen because they're required to field 2 AA teams to support their AAA teams. A lot of this is a foregone conclusion. I'll go out on a limb here and predict that this year's AA will look A LOT like last year's AA, and will be shocked if they even implement a 2-flight system.
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."
- California Wave 14AA-1
- Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
- Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- San Diego Saints 14AA
Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:you just made Miss My's day! this will probably be the only time here son's team is mentioned in the Top Flight :o :o :o"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."
- California Wave 14AA-1
- Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
- Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- San Diego Saints 14AA
Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."
- California Wave 14AA-1
- Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
- Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- San Diego Saints 14AA
Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."
- California Wave 14AA-1
- Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
- Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- San Diego Saints 14AA
Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.
I tried to compute the RPI from the Labor day tournament for 14AA and got the following for flight 1:"The RPI takes a team's winning percentage, their opponent's winning percentage, and their opponent's opponent's winning percentage and factors them together to come up with a team's RPI. The only difference between the two is the weighting of each category. College basketball still uses 25%-50%-25%, while college hockey weights their RPI 25%-21%-54%."
- California Wave 14AA-1
- Santa Clara Blackhawks U14AA
- Los Angeles Jr Kings 14AA-1
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- San Diego Saints 14AA
Of course, that's without politics, so YMMV.
You left off 2 very big teams.... GSE 1 and 2
Lighten up, Francis. I don't think the outcome of ANY of the SCAHA exhibitions will have ANY impact on the much-anticipated flight system. Just curious, is this your first rodeo in Tier hockey? In case you were wondering, posted scores have routinely been delayed throughout the years, which is one of the main reasons this site was created - to get scores. So, no, it is not unreasonable to ask how teams did. That's why we ask here. Ask away.DON'T CALL ME FRANCIS.....ERRRR BICKS..
Funny. You miss the point, though. You may not think the games have no meaning, but this is a bit of an exceptional year. Lots of folks say they don't think this, or they don't think that. Unfortunately, none of us really know the facts. You don't know. I don't know. It's speculation.Bingo. That's all it is. Don't mean to be so dismissive but it's safe to say that a lot of this is just smoke and mirrors. For instance, I don't care if either Kings 2 or Ducks 2 were the absolute worst teams in AA and most deservedly should be dropped to A. It'll never happen because they're required to field 2 AA teams to support their AAA teams. A lot of this is a foregone conclusion. I'll go out on a limb here and predict that this year's AA will look A LOT like last year's AA, and will be shocked if they even implement a 2-flight system.
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.
After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.
- Golden State Elite 14AA-2
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- California Wave 14AA-2
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Golden State Elite 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
Again, it's all math, with no politics. We could only hope it was handled that well.
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.
After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.
- Golden State Elite 14AA-2
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- California Wave 14AA-2
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Golden State Elite 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
Again, it's all math, with no politics. We could only hope it was handled that well.
Looks more like it but I think the Blackhawks will be in and the Mariners out. The last spot could be taken by either Flyers, Saints, Wave1 or Kings1 but Kings being the big club, we all know Kings1 will likely take that spot.
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.
After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.
- Golden State Elite 14AA-2
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- California Wave 14AA-2
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Golden State Elite 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
Again, it's all math, with no politics. We could only hope it was handled that well.
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.
After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.
- Golden State Elite 14AA-2
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- California Wave 14AA-2
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Golden State Elite 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
Again, it's all math, with no politics. We could only hope it was handled that well.
If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.
I said "tried" because I didn't think the directions that I could find online were all that precise, and I sadly didn't check my work very well.
After revisiting the instructions and checking the math, how do you feel about this list?This brings Wave2 and both GSE teams up, and knocks out the Blackhawks, Kings1, and Saints from flight 1.
- Golden State Elite 14AA-2
- San Jose Jr Sharks 14AA
- Orange County Hockey Club 14AA-1
- California Wave 14AA-2
- Empire Hockey Club 14AA
- Golden State Elite 14AA-1
- California Golden Bears 14AA
- Anaheim Jr Ducks 14AA-1
- Valencia Jr Flyers 14AA
- Ventura Mariners 14AA
Again, it's all math, with no politics. We could only hope it was handled that well.
If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.
Strength of schedule? Look at the Blackhawks schedule... OC1 and Bears... and they played both close... Blackhawks are 100% a top flight team
I agree, the Blackhawks will more than likely be in the top flight. Of their 3 loses in San Jose, all were very close games against arguably the top teams in flight 1. They pass the eyeball test of being a big fast 03 heavy team.
I don't see the Saints making it in. They were crushed by the 2 03 teams they played and also lost to Wave2.
That leaves Kings1, Flyers, Mariners, Wave1 and Wave2 fighting for 2 spots. (and really it seems like Kings1 will be in via all the chatter, so only 1 spot for the 4 remaining)
I think the Flyers are on the outside looking in with the loss to the Mariners in san jose. (I see they played last week though, any1 know the score of that game?)
Mariners play Ducks1 and Wave1 play Kings1. 2 very interesting games. I wonder if CAHA will be watching? 8)
And lastly the Wave1 vs Wave2 conversation is interesting. Have these two teams played each other yet this year?
I agree, the Blackhawks will more than likely be in the top flight. Of their 3 loses in San Jose, all were very close games against arguably the top teams in flight 1. They pass the eyeball test of being a big fast 03 heavy team.
I don't see the Saints making it in. They were crushed by the 2 03 teams they played and also lost to Wave2.
That leaves Kings1, Flyers, Mariners, Wave1 and Wave2 fighting for 2 spots. (and really it seems like Kings1 will be in via all the chatter, so only 1 spot for the 4 remaining)
I think the Flyers are on the outside looking in with the loss to the Mariners in san jose. (I see they played last week though, any1 know the score of that game?)
Mariners play Ducks1 and Wave1 play Kings1. 2 very interesting games. I wonder if CAHA will be watching? 8)
And lastly the Wave1 vs Wave2 conversation is interesting. Have these two teams played each other yet this year?
The RPI formula for hockey weighs your opponent's opponent's records more heavily than either your record or your opponent's records.
Strength of schedule? Look at the Blackhawks schedule... OC1 and Bears... and they played both close... Blackhawks are 100% a top flight team
If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.
If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.
Hey, let's make a bunch of teams travel to a jamboree so we can pick the top 10 teams, and then completely change our minds....
If you look at this list vs strength of schedule it's a darn good list. That being said I think it will just be one flight this year.
Hey, let's make a bunch of teams travel to a jamboree so we can pick the top 10 teams, and then completely change our minds....
I think when you see how things played out like a Tyson punch things changed.
I am sure they had the top flight picked before San Jose and now it's murky.
I think it was 8-5
could CAHA split the Filights 12/6 or 11/7? I think everyone can agree on the bottom 6 teams.
true, I'd like to see Mariners and Saints play each other for that final spotcould CAHA split the Filights 12/6 or 11/7? I think everyone can agree on the bottom 6 teams.
I think we agree on the bottom 5
could CAHA split the Filights 12/6 or 11/7? I think everyone can agree on the bottom 6 teams.
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight? I don't think either belong.
Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2
All those are clear top flight teams
I think it was 8-5
Not sure how much it matters, but that was hardly a "game". At some point, the Bears sent 4 players on the ice, and told the Ducks "ok guys, pretend that you are on a power-play". So the Ducks played for a few minutes 5 on 4, and scored a goal. Then the Bears told the Ducks "now it's our turn for PP", but since they took too many chances on aggressive plays, and not yet having a single practice, the Ducks scored a shortie. And so it went back and forth.
Pond hockey at best.
So, yes, I think the next game at KHS this Saturday will be a "real" game, with actual periods and time constraints.
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight? I don't think either belong.I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.
Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2
All those are clear top flight teams
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight? I don't think either belong.I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.
Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2
All those are clear top flight teams
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight? I don't think either belong.I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.
Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2
All those are clear top flight teams
Please argue me how the Wada Wave should be top flight? I'm listening
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight? I don't think either belong.I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.
Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2
All those are clear top flight teams
Please argue me how the Wada Wave should be top flight? I'm listening
What's your argument against? since you seem to have one. Always curious to hear someones perspective...
Excuses already ?? Game hasn't even been played.I think it was 8-5
Not sure how much it matters, but that was hardly a "game". At some point, the Bears sent 4 players on the ice, and told the Ducks "ok guys, pretend that you are on a power-play". So the Ducks played for a few minutes 5 on 4, and scored a goal. Then the Bears told the Ducks "now it's our turn for PP", but since they took too many chances on aggressive plays, and not yet having a single practice, the Ducks scored a shortie. And so it went back and forth.
Pond hockey at best.
So, yes, I think the next game at KHS this Saturday will be a "real" game, with actual periods and time constraints.
The Bears were at full strength when the shorthanded Duck goal was scored. They also scored two PP goals with a final score of 9-5. The Bears looked rusty and they are certainly a better team than that scrimmage demonstrated. This weekend could turn out quite a bit different. The Ducks will be on a short bench with a couple of key injuries. The Bears have good players with excellent coaching and several games/scrimmages and their belts.
I see WW 10, at best, right now. Come the New Year, top half.Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight? I don't think either belong.I'd have to agree with this list. You could argue both Wave teams and not Kings 1, but we all know that won't happen.
Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2
All those are clear top flight teams
Please argue me how the Wada Wave should be top flight? I'm listening
What's your argument against? since you seem to have one. Always curious to hear someones perspective...
It's nothing personal they have cool parents and I have no issues with them.
It's an all 04 team and look how they did vs the top 5 teams. Will they be better in Dec Yes but if you are asking today they are not a top flight team.
Beat Ducks2 3-1 probably the 3rd worst team.
Lost 6-3 to Sharks
Tied Kings 1 who I think is flight 2
Beat a Saints team 3-1 that's bottom Flight
Lost to Bears 12-3
Would they be able to beat the bears, gses and oc1s of the world ? Probably not consistently. But will put scare in them.
Why does everyone want to put Mariners and Saints in the top flight? I don't think either belong.
Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Sharks
Blackhawks
Empire
Ducks1
Kings1
Wave 1 or 2
All those are clear top flight teams
Wrong
Bears
GSE 1
GSE 2
OC1
Blackhawks
Empire
Clear top Flight you can argue the last 4
I heard a rumor that Jr Reign Bantam AA team is scrimmaging OCHC Bantam A team this Saturday...
Would anyone bet against you?I heard a rumor that Jr Reign Bantam AA team is scrimmaging OCHC Bantam A team this Saturday...
I would put my money on OC if true.
So how did the AAA 04 Ducks do against them Bears this time around?
Game called after an injury to an OC player... 5-2 final.. OC1 over Empire
Player was transported by Ambulance to Trauma Center. CT Scan was negative and will be released. Not sure of prognosis but probably a concussion. Parent had the video, player hit his head into glass then his chin hit the runner of the boards causing loss of consciousness. Not a hard hit by Empire player just one of those things. Kinda scary watching a kid removed on a back board...we are glad he is okay :)
Player was transported by Ambulance to Trauma Center. CT Scan was negative and will be released. Not sure of prognosis but probably a concussion. Parent had the video, player hit his head into glass then his chin hit the runner of the boards causing loss of consciousness. Not a hard hit by Empire player just one of those things. Kinda scary watching a kid removed on a back board...we are glad he is okay :)Glad he's ok.
Bears vs. Saints 8:0 (after beating Ducks AAA '04 7:0 the day before.Like Mr Wolf said, "Let's not start sucking each other's d#/k quite yet. "
Good week for their goalie, he doesn't have a single goal against. The joke was that "we are not sure if there will be another goal against us this year". I thought it was funny.
This coming weekend, da Bears have 3 games:
Saturday a prep-school show-case game against the AAA Gulls at Pickwick.
Sunday game against OC1 in the morning (big game)
Game against AAA Kings '04 in the afternoon.
I am hearing that the Bears are getting a lot of calls from other teams, for scrimmages. Sounds great for the kids (and the rest of us). 3 games a week would be perfect.
Like Mr Wolf said, "Let's not start sucking each other's d#/k quite yet. "LOL. Bears are good, no doubt. But beating an 04 AAA team followed by pounding the Saints, with upcoming games against the weakest 03 AAA team and another 04 AAA team doesn't seem like much of a test or challenge. Why aren't you guys playing the likes of Kings 03 AAA or some of the better 16AA teams? You'll probably handle OC1 just fine, but I'm not seeing anything to go pounding your chest about.
You'll probably handle OC1 just fine, but I'm not seeing anything to go pounding your chest about.
I agree with you.
It was almost embarrassing, sitting among the parents of the opposing team and rooting for your own kids. I was talking to a Swedish parent (of the Saints), great conversation, but every time the Bears scored, I cringed. When the Saints laid a couple of good hits, everybody applauded and cheered. When the Bears scored, deep silence, followed by thinly veiled apologies.
Tough to sit through a game like that (and drive 4.5 hours for it).
Same with the Ducks AAA game. Not quite as bad, but close. The Ducks did have a few chances though, it was nice to see that.
What can one do. Can't blame the kids for winning. But definitely not wins that one can be bragging about. Sorry if I came across that way.
Da Bears are a good team but certainly not unbeatable.GSE2 beat them at the Jamboree
The regular season hasn't even started. It's early and a few things are probably going to happen. Teams will narrow the gap. Kids will get hurt ect.
So admire yourself in the mirror while flexing now. Attila.
What a douche
I'm sure the team is talented. I haven't seen them play yet. But it's too bad for the kids that have this creep hanging around.
Shit, that could be any one of us. :-[What a douche
I'm sure the team is talented. I haven't seen them play yet. But it's too bad for the kids that have this creep hanging around.
And you would be referring to whom exactly?
You nailed it again! AA makes so much more sense, you play many games locally with options to play more diverse games as they fit, with a noticeably lighter wallet load and more open calendar to do privates with whom and when you want. The parents are less sticky as well - a real team experience and you don't have to home school to keep up. That is So Cal hockey. CAHA's rules are not about growing youth hockey, they are about control. So be it.
The libtards of California have infiltrated every part including Youth Hockey. It is no longer about what makes since it is about not hurting anyone's feeling and control of the masses. In this case, control of who gets to play at the level they should (up or down).
The smart people of California and youth hockey are fleeing the state in mass.
The libtards of California have infiltrated every part including Youth Hockey. It is no longer about what makes since it is about not hurting anyone's feeling and control of the masses. In this case, control of who gets to play at the level they should (up or down).
The smart people of California and youth hockey are fleeing the state in mass.
Let's avoid bringing politics into the board. You can make your points without bringing Obama, Trump or the NRA into things. We don't need Calhockey to turn into Yahoo news or facebook.
The libtards of California have infiltrated every part including Youth Hockey. It is no longer about what makes since it is about not hurting anyone's feeling and control of the masses. In this case, control of who gets to play at the level they should (up or down).
The smart people of California and youth hockey are fleeing the state in mass.
Let's avoid bringing politics into the board. You can make your points without bringing Obama, Trump or the NRA into things. We don't need Calhockey to turn into Yahoo news or facebook.
The libtards of California have infiltrated every part including Youth Hockey. It is no longer about what makes since it is about not hurting anyone's feeling and control of the masses. In this case, control of who gets to play at the level they should (up or down).
The smart people of California and youth hockey are fleeing the state in mass.
Let's avoid bringing politics into the board. You can make your points without bringing Obama, Trump or the NRA into things. We don't need Calhockey to turn into Yahoo news or facebook.
I fail to see where I brought up Obama, Trump or the NRA. You must be one of those libtard CAHA board members or you need to learn to read better.
I for one agree with the analogy. The CAHA board members are a product of their environment. The liberal view is to control everyone and enact laws so stupid they are mandatory. The favt that CAHA believes they should contol a feee market and not allow clubs to field teams at Tier I or Tier II is rediculous. Clubs should be able to place teams wherever they want and if the consumer does not like it they can take their money elsewhere. We dance around the real issue with CAHA, but the truth is they are a product of their environment. They will ruin youth hockey in California just like Sacramento has ruined the state.
Trying to make sure team's like ducks 2, OC2, kings 2, and Jr reign not play in the top AA division is not a liberal vs conservative issue... it's common sense... I saw the OC1 vs Ducks 2 game... the duck kids were literally scared to go on the ice. It could have been a blood bath if OC didn't take it easy. I can't imagine those poor kids playing against the Bears.
Drawing comparison between that and the political climate of the state is asinine.
In the words of a song from my high school days... "If you don't like what you see here get the funk out"
Trying to make sure team's like ducks 2, OC2, kings 2, and Jr reign not play in the top AA division is not a liberal vs conservative issue... it's common sense... I saw the OC1 vs Ducks 2 game... the duck kids were literally scared to go on the ice. It could have been a blood bath if OC didn't take it easy. I can't imagine those poor kids playing against the Bears.
Drawing comparison between that and the political climate of the state is asinine.
In the words of a song from my high school days... "If you don't like what you see here get the funk out"
It's a good day, when I can recognize an Extreme view
Bitching on a hockey forum has little effect positive or negative. I don't waste my time. If you don't like the current organization create a new one. OR, get involved in the current one and use the power of persuasion to make your points and affect change.
As in all aspects of life, people are quick to bitch and moan but slow to do any heavy lifting themselves.
Bitching on a hockey forum has little effect positive or negative. I don't waste my time. If you don't like the current organization create a new one. OR, get involved in the current one and use the power of persuasion to make your points and affect change.
As in all aspects of life, people are quick to bitch and moan but slow to do any heavy lifting themselves.
I do not believe any of us are planning to form a club so we can get involved. All we can do is bitch to our club so issues are brought to the board. The purpose of bitching on a forum is to gain momentum with the bitching to individual clubs. Politics are the same regardless of Federal, State, county, City, Corporate or Hockey.
Bitching on a hockey forum has little effect positive or negative. I don't waste my time. If you don't like the current organization create a new one. OR, get involved in the current one and use the power of persuasion to make your points and affect change.
As in all aspects of life, people are quick to bitch and moan but slow to do any heavy lifting themselves.
I do not believe any of us are planning to form a club so we can get involved. All we can do is bitch to our club so issues are brought to the board. The purpose of bitching on a forum is to gain momentum with the bitching to individual clubs.
Sounds like a CAHA board member response to me
I guess Kings 1 made flight 1, Wave2 in flight 2
are the Gulls dropping to AA?
3) Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.
are the Gulls dropping to AA?
3) Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.
I've heard that the Gulls being in Flight I was a typo. There are only 10 teams in Flight I.
Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:
Top flight:
1. Bears
2. Blackhawks
3. Sharks
4. GSE1
5. GSE2
6. Kings 1
7. OC 1
8. Ducks 1
9. Wave 1
10. Empire
Bottom flight:
1. Saints
2. Reign
3. Kings 2
4. OC 2
5. Ducks 2
6. Flyers
7. Mariners
8. Wave 2
Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.
This is what it looked like before the Jamboree. Why did we even have to go!Now that half the games are played... here is my predictions on who is in each flight:
Top flight:
1. Bears
2. Blackhawks
3. Sharks
4. GSE1
5. GSE2
6. Kings 1
7. OC 1
8. Ducks 1
9. Wave 1
10. Empire
Bottom flight:
1. Saints
2. Reign
3. Kings 2
4. OC 2
5. Ducks 2
6. Flyers
7. Mariners
8. Wave 2
Now before you all yell at me about who is ranked above who... these are in no particular order.
I guess I nailed it a few weeks ago!
If these are the correct flights, Does Flight 2 really need to travel to Nor Cal for two CAHA weekends? hopefully CAHA still has a little bit of common sense and gets that changed.thats a good point!!! hopefully the board realizes that.
where is the info coming from is it posted somewhere
Screw that!!! If WE gotta go, YOU gotta go! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DIf these are the correct flights, Does Flight 2 really need to travel to Nor Cal for two CAHA weekends? hopefully CAHA still has a little bit of common sense and gets that changed.thats a good point!!! hopefully the board realizes that.
where is the info coming from is it posted somewhere
The information is coming from team managers and coaches that provided the list to us parents.
where is the info coming from is it posted somewhere
The information is coming from team managers and coaches that provided the list to us parents.
must be nice to be liked by your coach and manger.... :P :P
must be nice to be liked by your coach and manger.... :P :PMaybe you should look at your TeamSnap
Bears
Blackhawks
Ducks 1
Empire
GSE1
GSE2
Gulls1
Kings1
OCHC1
Sharks
Wave1
Ducks2
Flyers
Kings2
Mariners
OCHC2
Reign
Saints
Wave2
Is this the NCAA? The CAHA board should be ashamed of themselves. The mandated all teams to San Jose to be "evaluated". That was a sham and a disgusting money grab. Most people knew how this was gonna shake out. What a joke. As someone stated earlier "it's good to be the king"
Is this the NCAA? The CAHA board should be ashamed of themselves. The mandated all teams to San Jose to be "evaluated". That was a sham and a disgusting money grab. Most people knew how this was gonna shake out. What a joke. As someone stated earlier "it's good to be the king"
Sharks 12UAA team got sent down to A, so even they didn't get everything they hoped for.
Who do you figure made money from the tournament? The Shark's rinks are booked solid about 18 hours/day, so they probably had to displace other customers to accommodate the jamboree. I guess the refs made money they weren't expecting.
I take the jamboree as a reaction to weak teams playing last year. How would you keep clubs from submitting weak teams?
You can't honestly say all of this was worth our time and money. They could have come darn close to figuring out the exact same thing with regular scrimmages.
And it isn't just the lower level teams that took it on the chin. So too all the best teams that had to subject themselves to that garbage when they could have gone to a real tournaments and played run time games over a big holiday weekend.
Now we have split divisions which in some cases have all So Cal teams. So all those teams have to go up North again to not play one team from up North??? Some teams will be in Vacaville to play So Cal teams they will be playing 2-3 times in CAHA and also in a SCAHA exhibition. That is nothing short of ridiculous. I'd rather donate my money in a kids charity game to all the people suffering from natural disasters. More than hockey is being played, people are wastefully playing with our time and money.
Well then why didn't the few teams travel to play the majority of the teams? Cuz it makes more sense to have more teams travel than just the few you are talking about.
I asked a CAHA Director at the State Championship games about everything being up north. He told me it had to do with one location having 4 rinks vs. multiple locations down here. He remarked that once the new Irvine Ducks facility was built there would be rotations.Well then why didn't the few teams travel to play the majority of the teams? Cuz it makes more sense to have more teams travel than just the few you are talking about.
i really think it was about ice availability, once the Ducks build their facility, i can see them alternating year to year. One year in NorCal on year is SoCal.
Two years ago, when my older son played Bantam AA and his Ducks team went to Nationals. During that season, a Kings2 AA team played a horrible SCAHA pre-season, did not win a game, and was badly outscored. The Coach and the Club recommended that the team drop to Bantam A. The PARENTS were furious and demanded they remain at the AA level. The Club, who did not want to lose a group of families, relented and allowed them to play at the AA level. As expected, their team went 0-15, scored 4 goals and gave up 129!! We played them and they did not have a shot on goal and we stopped shooting on net halfway through the 2nd period. I didn't think that anyone "won" in that scenario.
This all could be solved if each club was only allowed one AA for each division. Then the best of the best kids would truly be picked. When clubs have 2 AA teams one is allways trying to play above their level.
This all could be solved if each club was only allowed one AA for each division. Then the best of the best kids would truly be picked. When clubs have 2 AA teams one is allways trying to play above their level.
This all could be solved if each club was only allowed one AA for each division. Then the best of the best kids would truly be picked. When clubs have 2 AA teams one is allways trying to play above their level.
I agree yes! Only three teams put in second flight were wronged based on what I see.
Simi
Valencia
Wada
The rest could be dropped to A
Two years ago, when my older son played Bantam AA and his Ducks team went to Nationals. During that season, a Kings2 AA team played a horrible SCAHA pre-season, did not win a game, and was badly outscored. The Coach and the Club recommended that the team drop to Bantam A. The PARENTS were furious and demanded they remain at the AA level. The Club, who did not want to lose a group of families, relented and allowed them to play at the AA level. As expected, their team went 0-15, scored 4 goals and gave up 129!! We played them and they did not have a shot on goal and we stopped shooting on net halfway through the 2nd period. I didn't think that anyone "won" in that scenario.
That was the old days. The last few seasons, teams that are far below the average have been dropping or getting forced to drop from every level from Tier2 to BB. There was no need for this Flight system. It may be clearcut for Bantams this season, but I can tell you that U16 people seem to take issue with the assignments.
In PW my kid's team played a tough schedule, had all close games and got dropped into the 2nd flight where we get to play 5 other teams, one of which we have already beaten 2x by 5 goal margins each time. If we had simply tied a game 3-3 that we lost 3-2 (and outshot the opponent by 5 shots as well) we would probably be in the top flight. This happened for one reason and one reason only -- politics. Our record was 1-3. Another top flight team was 1-3. "That's a strong team and should be in the topflight!" Ok. And that team we are talking about, lost to the same team we lost to 3-2, 3-0. The team we beat 10-5 this weekend, played another team placed in the top flight over us, by 5-3 the weekend before. We were told that flighting was to insure competition. When you are losing to top flight teams by 2 goals in games where the shots are roughly even, and you could have won with a bit of puck luck, your team shouldn't be put in the lower flight and ours was.
This is a solution nobody needed to a problem that doesn't exist. It was tried roughly 10 years ago, but nobody at CAHA has any institutional knowledge. I'm a bit tired of people talking about these extreme situations (OMG a team beat another team by 8 goals!). I predict there will be any number of lopsided victories in the upper flight this year. Will they double down to 4 flights next year? It's kids hockey, these are games, it's a team game, there are geographical issues and size issues that benefit some clubs and handicap others, but at the end of the day, every single player in the NHL can tell you about games they played as a kid where the team they played on got spanked, or conversely beat another team badly. It is not an important issue, it is part of life. If this system was such a great idea, how come we don't see it anyplace else?
I think CAHA is giving a dose of bitter pill this year to see if this will remedy teams from playing out of the skill level in the future. Will it work? I don't know.
I think possibly a better solution but not without it's own problems, would be a longer preseason with more games. Maybe two games a weekend and the a mandatory evaluation and placement by CAHA forcing down teams that do not belong.
There is no Utopia. Every system will have it's detractors and reasons for it "being all wrong".
Schedule is up.... here comes the bitchin!
Schedule is up.... here comes the bitchin!
Ok I will start... F CAHA for not doing us a solid and making flight 2 travel up north twice.
OCHC1 at Bears...
1-1 after 1st
6-2 Bears after 2nd
bears are a solid team and what sets them apart from what I can see is that they play disciplined, mistake free hockey. OC1 played great when they were at full strength, but, 6 penalties pretty much killed any chance they had. Great game and really great pace of play. Gonna be a fun season.OCHC1 at Bears...
1-1 after 1st
6-2 Bears after 2nd
6-3 Bears final... OC hung with them at times...
bears are a solid team and what sets them apart from what I can see is that they play disciplined, mistake free hockey. OC1 played great when they were at full strength, but, 6 penalties pretty much killed any chance they had. Great game and really great pace of play. Gonna be a fun season.OCHC1 at Bears...
1-1 after 1st
6-2 Bears after 2nd
6-3 Bears final... OC hung with them at times...
Anyone know the score of the Bears vs 04 Kings?
Valencia 9
Flight 3 Wildcats 0
Simi 7
Flight 3 Ducks-2 1
Wada 3
flight 1 Wave 3
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So did the 03's take it easy on the little brothers? Not taking anything from the 04's but I know several expected the 03's would win.
So did the 03's take it easy on the little brothers? Not taking anything from the 04's but I know several expected the 03's would win.
The Bears seemed to only checked to separate a player from the puck while OC seemed to be checking players out of the play to send a message.
Can we just call out Laura Chan for for she runs Vacaville rink and sits on the CAHA board.That bring said, sounds to me like a BIG conflict of interest. Would LOVE to hear the justification for this decision.
So when a weekend needed to be dropped she chose a So Cal weekend getting dumped so her rink wouldn't lose that money.
Conflict of interest much?
Can we just call out Laura Cahn for for she runs Vacaville rink and sits on the CAHA board.
So when a weekend needed to be dropped she chose a So Cal weekend getting dumped so her rink wouldn't lose that money.
Conflict of interest much?
Maybe y'all haven't been paying attention, or may be y'all are new to this? Whenever a weekend is cancelled, it's Dec or Jan, and that's usually a SoCal locale. Been like this for years, not a grand conspiracy.
Maybe y'all haven't been paying attention, or may be y'all are new to this? Whenever a weekend is cancelled, it's Dec or Jan, and that's usually a SoCal locale. Been like this for years, not a grand conspiracy.
Valencia 9
Flight 3 Wildcats 0
Simi 7
Flight 3 Ducks-2 1
Wada 3
flight 1 Wave 3
Can we just call out Laura Cahn for for she runs Vacaville rink and sits on the CAHA board.
So when a weekend needed to be dropped she chose a So Cal weekend getting dumped so her rink wouldn't lose that money.
Conflict of interest much?
Next season, we'll have 3 FlightsValencia 9
Flight 3 Wildcats 0
Simi 7
Flight 3 Ducks-2 1
Wada 3
flight 1 Wave 3
But I thought the flight system was going to prevent scores like that. ??? 9-0 and 7-1 between teams in the same flight 2. What a joke. This weekend just proved that CAHA screwed up the season for so many. We pay way too much money for this BS.
High School hockey or alternative sports will now definitely receive more interest.
Can we just call out Laura Cahn for for she runs Vacaville rink and sits on the CAHA board.
So when a weekend needed to be dropped she chose a So Cal weekend getting dumped so her rink wouldn't lose that money.
Conflict of interest much?
Some of the club presidents have already questioned the CAHA Board and the rather odd way they carry out their responsibilities. Essentially, the response from the CAHA schedulers was the typical, "You signed up for it. It's too late to change. Are there any other questions I can answer?" (Actually, when we signed up their was no goofy flight system).
Anyway, I have come to the belief that the only way to go about this is to take our concerns directly to USA Hockey. I am currently putting together a very well-reasoned and thorough letter that outlines some of the concerns so many of us have. It will take a week or so to finalize as I want to make sure my facts are accurate. I want the person at USA Hockey to understand how many people here have valid concerns with some of the members of the CAHA Board. My goal is to leave emotion out of it and simply back up my arguments with facts. The main points of my letter will be:The concern I am trying to express is that special favors are given to certain people. The Board seems to have forgotten who they represent and have taken on somewhat of a "siege mentality" where they believe it's "us against them." Of course, the California hockey families are "them."
- Announcing the Flight system after LOIs were signed and the placement of teams. It's pretty easy to show that a team that won no games in San Jose, and was placed in the first flight, had strong CAHA Board representation. Likewise, the same club has a team that was allowed to stay in AA when they have no business being there.
- The Wildcats/Jr. Reign should have been dropped. There is no reason they should have been allowed to remain a "AA" team. They also have CAHA Board representation. Favors are given to those "in the clique."
- The Wildcats/Jr. Reign's designation as a "Model ADM Club" should be called into question. If you do some research and actually read the PowerPoint presentations their president delivered to USA Hockey you'd think you were living in an alternate reality. USA Hockey apparently has accepted everything they have been told by the person from Riverside. A strong counter-argument needs to be presented to them. To support my position I have all their stats and related info from the past few years and can show how the club's actions appear to contradict the goals of the ADM in a rather large way. Once you begin creating graphs and putting information into picture form you begin to see things more clearly.
Obviously, the situation where approximately 200 families from Southern California have to take their kids to Vacaville to play each other needs to be addressed. The connection is now quite clear. The marketing material coming from the NHL and USA Hockey tells us Hockey is for Everyone. CAHA's decision making process contradicts this. My family works very hard and earns an income that allows us to spend tons of money on a youth sport. Not every family can. Yes, I can buy a couple tickets on Southwest to Sacramento, pick up a rental car for the weekend, get a $150/night hotel for three nights and eat every meal in a a restaurant for three days and still not miss a meal. Do you think this inhibits hockey's growth in our state?
The knee-jerk reaction I hear from so many is that "those people" should not play hockey. If we want to grow our sports, and if we want the very best athletes to become hockey players, we really need to find ways to make it more accessible. CAHA can't see this.
We understand our kids play in a state-wide league. We were all prepared to do the travelling and weren't complaining about it. When the hockey landscape was changed this season and we learned only SoCal teams were in the 2nd flight, CAHA was given an opportunity to do something good that could have calmed some of the more upset families and moved the Vacaville weekend to SoCal. They chose to dig in their heels and put their own wants/needs over those of the people that pay the bills.
Somebody is a position of responsibility above the state level should at least be brought into the loop as to what is happening here.
On another note, how does one go about getting a spot on the CAHA Board? I plan on looking into this a bit more but it seems that we need some of us in the decision-making positions. I would be very happy to do whatever I can to try and improve CA hockey for our kids and their families. I'd be happy to buy my own plane tickets to their meetings each month (or whenever they meet).
Page 80 of CAHA guidebook
On another note, how does one go about getting a spot on the CAHA Board? I plan on looking into this a bit more but it seems that we need some of us in the decision-making positions. I would be very happy to do whatever I can to try and improve CA hockey for our kids and their families. I'd be happy to buy my own plane tickets to their meetings each month (or whenever they meet).
Maybe y'all haven't been paying attention, or may be y'all are new to this? Whenever a weekend is cancelled, it's Dec or Jan, and that's usually a SoCal locale. Been like this for years, not a grand conspiracy.
Maybe you haven't been paying attention to the fact that the Bantam and Peewee Flight2 groups have 0 norcal teams in them. As a matter of fact, there are only 6 teams in PW Flight 2 now because 2 teams were forced down. At least in Bantams you still have 8.
There is no need to go to Norcal to play a CAHA weekend when there are 0 teams from Norcal involved. Then add in the fact that at the same time people are questioning why this is happening, CAHA announces that the same Flight2 teams will not play at Lakewood.
In summary, it's illogical and the product of either bad planning, bad management, stubbornness, insensitivity, arrogance or maybe something worse if that is even possible. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to see a conflict of interest exists here in light of such blatant disregard for wasting peoples' time and money.
The idea of flights sounded ok in theory. We weren't sure how it was going to play out and kept hope that they wouldn't do a flight system if it wasn't called for. Wrong. We have three teams that don't belong in AA at all and they had to force 8 in flight two due to their stupid 10 team limit for flight 1.
Let's not forget that the original announcement listed Gulls1 in Flight 1. I'd like to see those evaluations.
Honestly how does a mistake like that happen if you are creating a list based on game evaluations? Were they that careless? Looks like they just copied and pasted the peewee flight 1 and made some adjustments to fit their agenda. The person who created the list didn't even check their own 10 team rule. They had 11 in flight 1.
What rule states CAHA's decisions cannot be questioned? I think they should have to explain their reasoning for each team and their respective placement. Based on games this past weekend they didn't do a very good job evaluating. Who were the evaluators? Oh that's right, the coaches. Another conflict of interest.
Flight 1
Bears
Blackhawks
Ducks(1)
Empire
GSE(1)
GSE(2)
Gulls(1)
Kings(1)
OCHC(1)
Sharks
Wave(1)
Flight 2
Ducks(2)
Flyers
Kings(2)
Mariners
OCHC(2)
Reign
Saints
Wave(2)
The idea of flights sounded ok in theory. We weren't sure how it was going to play out and kept hope that they wouldn't do a flight system if it wasn't called for. Wrong. We have three teams that don't belong in AA at all and they had to force 8 in flight two due to their stupid 10 team limit for flight 1.
Let's not forget that the original announcement listed Gulls1 in Flight 1. I'd like to see those evaluations.
Honestly how does a mistake like that happen if you are creating a list based on game evaluations? Were they that careless? Looks like they just copied and pasted the peewee flight 1 and made some adjustments to fit their agenda. The person who created the list didn't even check their own 10 team rule. They had 11 in flight 1.
What rule states CAHA's decisions cannot be questioned? I think they should have to explain their reasoning for each team and their respective placement. Based on games this past weekend they didn't do a very good job evaluating. Who were the evaluators? Oh that's right, the coaches. Another conflict of interest.
Flight 1
Bears
Blackhawks
Ducks(1)
Empire
GSE(1)
GSE(2)
Gulls(1)
Kings(1)
OCHC(1)
Sharks
Wave(1)
Flight 2
Ducks(2)
Flyers
Kings(2)
Mariners
OCHC(2)
Reign
Saints
Wave(2)
what teams do you believe are not AA caliber?
I think OCHC (2) should also be in this conversation.You're such a tool! 3 clubs in 4 years and already quit again - never make playoffs? common denominator? Have fun paying dues for nothing. Yes, OC2 is a minor year team with a few exceptions. One Dec 03, One who never played ice (only roller) and a kid on his 3rd year in skates. OC 1 last year went through the same process and now are in the running for the top 3-4 teams. OC2 just lost to Empire in a game that was 2-1 going into the 3rd. There's a huge difference in size between many of these kids and OC2 held their own until falling apart at the end. I'm sure the Empire group didn't feel like it was a total waste of time. Next week won't be any easier but they will get better just like Wada, Kings 2 and Ducks. BYE TOOL
Completely disagree with Blind Zebras. The game was very close through two periods.
Predetermined......not. Nice try.
So did the 03's take it easy on the little brothers? Not taking anything from the 04's but I know several expected the 03's would win.
Game was pretty much a sh*t show from the get go. Wave1's objective appeared to be running their opponents with intent to intimidate and injure. No doubt It was one of the most reckless hockey game I've ever seen.The Bears seemed to only checked to separate a player from the puck while OC seemed to be checking players out of the play to send a message.
Speaking of "sending a message," Wave1 is the exact opposite of the Bears. Zero discipline with maybe one or two skilled kids trying to go coast to coast. "Sending a message" was the name of their game with most hits being led with elbows and sticks, or worst yet, from behind.
It would've probably be a good game between the two Wave teams but Wave1 were too busy trying to act like a bunch of bad asses. Shame really, refs did try to keep things under control but Wave1 would not stop with the dirty hits... Wave1 coaches should take responsibilities for losing control of their bench and letting their kids pick up penalties after penalties.
Game ended with Wave1 picking up 14 penalties (without counting the ones they got away with), one shy of coach getting suspended.
The 14 penalties were as follow:
Head contact 2
Misconduct 10
Charging 5
Misconduct 10
Game misconduct - player kicked out
Checking from behind 2
Misconduct 10
Tripping 2
Boarding 2
Misconduct 10
Checking from behind 2
Misconduct 10
Roughing 2
Roughing 2
Pretty sad to see a group of kids trying to run at opponents instead of playing hockey. Not sure what their coaches tell them on the bench or perhaps that's their brand of hockey, or maybe they don't know how to check or something, but it's dangerous, reckless and concerning for their opponents.
I'm sure Wave1 parents would disagree, but impossible to dispute the numerous penalties called on Wave1 and on multiple occasions they had so many kids in the box, it was embarrassing.
Completely disagree with Blind Zebras. The game was very close through two periods.Hahaha!! The only thing close was the score. The Empire boys hardly celebrated the goals and laid off the hitting in the 3rd. OC's 1st goalie played well, that big O on his chest makes a nice target. I believe 2 of Empire's 1st three goals came shorthanded and they clearly had more scoring chances on the PK. If you have video be sure watch it without those rose-colored glasses...
Predetermined......not. Nice try.
I thank the Beer Gods for making that debacle watchable. I'm sure you're more interested in our morning game rather than the boat race that ensued later that evening. No bitterness here except the time wasted responding to your delusions. If you'd like a rematch, the Empire might make room for you on a future Saturday morning. Bring your wallet and some tissue.BZ....too many beers in the parking lot ??
Wait, before you respond, are you an actual OC2 parent or just some troll?
BZ....too many beers in the parking lot ??Be careful what you wish for Trans. He would join you if he could because he’s always looking for something?? but his kid’s an 03. Went from Stars to the team that beat them all year OCHC, then the Bears beat OCHC so he decided to jump over there, now back to Ontario. Hockey in SoCal is a small world and BZ obviously made a lot of friends along the way. :o :o
Should look into WW next year. ;)
blah, blah, blah...Oh brother, again with the rose-colored glasses? Do they have Lasik for myopic vision?? Apparently your penchant for delusional insight extends past hockey to my personal life. Left the Stars because, well, there were no more Stars *poof* and just like that there was an exodus from Ontario (how long have you been around?) Left OC for better coaching, and I'd do it again. Despite the awesome people there, two years driving to Burbank was enough. Now we're back close to home, low and behold - great coach and families. If you're paying attention here, you MIGHT just see a pattern and it's not letter chasing much like yourself. And yes, I've made many friends along the way. Shocking, I know.
and claim credit for the two flight rule change.
It's all in good fun.
If you're paying attention here, you MIGHT just see a pattern and it's not letter chasing much like yourself.
And just where do you draw the line for mostly 03s? Is it three 04s? Four? Five? That's how many Empire has, five.
:'( :'( :'( Suck it up, Buttercup. As for the "shit kicking", it all evened out at last Saturday's exhibition. Both games were close, it will be a fun match up all season.And just where do you draw the line for mostly 03s? Is it three 04s? Four? Five? That's how many Empire has, five.
I love the class the OCHC1 03 team has by not coming on the public form and saying what a waste of time it was shit kicking Empire. I was making a comment to a parent who was obviously not at the game so I'm sorry it was so offensive to you for me to say that the 04s hung in there. Were you playing?
Well, it says silly rule changes, so he either mistyped or you can't read.
sparked an attempt at some silly rule changes.
Fly poop in the pepper. Moving on...
Vacaville rink won't see a dime from me.
Vacaville rink won't see a dime from me.
You mean a dime more then we already paid for their dumb CAHA weekend fee.
Let's get back on track here.
So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?
Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0
Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1
Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3
Can someone tell me the Kings score?
Let's get back on track here.
So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?
Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0
Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1
Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3
Can someone tell me the Kings score?
Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed. 1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.
Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."
If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over? You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.
And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.
Let's get back on track here.
So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?
Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0
Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1
Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3
Can someone tell me the Kings score?
Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed. 1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.
Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."
If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over? You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.
And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.
Let's get back on track here.
So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?
Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0
Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1
Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3
Can someone tell me the Kings score?
Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed. 1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.
Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."
If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over? You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.
And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.
Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right? right? ;)
Let's get back on track here.
So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?
Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0
Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1
Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3
Can someone tell me the Kings score?
Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed. 1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.
Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."
If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over? You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.
And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.
Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right? right? ;)
i swear the kids are getting smaller and smaller...
Let's get back on track here.
So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?
Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0
Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1
Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3
Can someone tell me the Kings score?
Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed. 1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.
Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."
If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over? You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.
And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.
Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right? right? ;)
i swear the kids are getting smaller and smaller...
there really should be height and weight minimum for the bantam level. What happens when you get, one of the smallest 04 and they end up going against one of the bigger 03 it is down right dangerous. I know a lot of kids go in into Bantam from peewee with out any checking clinics or classes or the new coach does not work with the new bantams on checking at all and then you get a Major Bantam with a year of checking under his bet, it doesn't look good for little johnny versus big johnny. Im very surprised there isn't more injures.
Let's get back on track here.
So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?
Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0
Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1
Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3
Can someone tell me the Kings score?
Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed. 1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.
Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."
If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over? You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.
And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.
Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right? right? ;)
Maybe they should just go back to checking in PeeWee. Most of the kids haven't hit puberty by age 11.Most intelligent thing I read in here today. Other than LC bashing. She earned it
Let's get back on track here.
So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?
Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0
Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1
Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3
Can someone tell me the Kings score?
Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed. 1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.
Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."
If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over? You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.
And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.
Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right? right? ;)
i swear the kids are getting smaller and smaller...
there really should be height and weight minimum for the bantam level. What happens when you get, one of the smallest 04 and they end up going against one of the bigger 03 it is down right dangerous. I know a lot of kids go in into Bantam from peewee with out any checking clinics or classes or the new coach does not work with the new bantams on checking at all and then you get a Major Bantam with a year of checking under his bet, it doesn't look good for little johnny versus big johnny. Im very surprised there isn't more injures.
Let's get back on track here.
So the new Flight system was to keep teams from getting blown out right?
Valencia 9- BF Wildcats 0
Simi 7 Ducks that should be A 1
Wada who is flight two ties Flight one Wave 3-3
Can someone tell me the Kings score?
Sounds like Flight 1 will enjoy a competitive season.
Top 2nd flight teams get hosed. 1. Lack of competition, 2. wasted money going to Vacaville and San Jose to play same So. Cal teams again, 3. One tiny shot at 8th seed for all of them to fight over. How nice it was for CAHA to decide that 7 of 8 teams are guaranteed to never see playdowns.
Laura Cahn says "It's too late to cancel November. And we can't cancel San Jose...What a shame it would be for the season to end in January."
If your team is #2-8 in flight2 by January, do you really care if it's over? You would have had the same number of games played by then as you would have by the end of February.
And if you're #1 in flight2, your season isn't over in January.
Yeah but all those Flight 2 parents get to tell everyone that their Lil 70 pounder is playing Bantam AA! That's worth it right? right? ;)
i swear the kids are getting smaller and smaller...
there really should be height and weight minimum for the bantam level. What happens when you get, one of the smallest 04 and they end up going against one of the bigger 03 it is down right dangerous. I know a lot of kids go in into Bantam from peewee with out any checking clinics or classes or the new coach does not work with the new bantams on checking at all and then you get a Major Bantam with a year of checking under his bet, it doesn't look good for little johnny versus big johnny. Im very surprised there isn't more injures.
Because you can never have enough laws or enough rules.
Why repost this? Did you have anything to add or just stirring the pot? Trying to keep up activity on the BN AA thread perhaps?I think OCHC (2) should also be in this conversation.You're such a tool! 3 clubs in 4 years and already quit again - never make playoffs? common denominator? Have fun paying dues for nothing. Yes, OC2 is a minor year team with a few exceptions. One Dec 03, One who never played ice (only roller) and a kid on his 3rd year in skates. OC 1 last year went through the same process and now are in the running for the top 3-4 teams. OC2 just lost to Empire in a game that was 2-1 going into the 3rd. There's a huge difference in size between many of these kids and OC2 held their own until falling apart at the end. I'm sure the Empire group didn't feel like it was a total waste of time. Next week won't be any easier but they will get better just like Wada, Kings 2 and Ducks. BYE TOOL
Why repost this? Did you have anything to add or just stirring the pot? Trying to keep up activity on the BN AA thread perhaps?I think OCHC (2) should also be in this conversation.You're such a tool! 3 clubs in 4 years and already quit again - never make playoffs? common denominator? Have fun paying dues for nothing. Yes, OC2 is a minor year team with a few exceptions. One Dec 03, One who never played ice (only roller) and a kid on his 3rd year in skates. OC 1 last year went through the same process and now are in the running for the top 3-4 teams. OC2 just lost to Empire in a game that was 2-1 going into the 3rd. There's a huge difference in size between many of these kids and OC2 held their own until falling apart at the end. I'm sure the Empire group didn't feel like it was a total waste of time. Next week won't be any easier but they will get better just like Wada, Kings 2 and Ducks. BYE TOOL
trans where did you get the schedule this week? Doesn't match SCAHA schedule, long night at the rink?My bad :-[
.......Let's try this again....trans where did you get the schedule this week? Doesn't match SCAHA schedule, long night at the rink?My bad :-[
I heard that Empire barley handled the Mariners.
I heard that Empire barley handled the Mariners.
Mariners are better then everyone thinks. Not at all surprized
I heard that Empire barley handled the Mariners.
Mariners are better then everyone thinks. Not at all surprized
I saw them once... and they lost 9-0
Also Simi was up 4-1 short 5 players and their top D. Refs called a 2 and 10 on Simi and things went south.Short 5 players??? What's the story there?
Also Simi was up 4-1 short 5 players and their top D. Refs called a 2 and 10 on Simi and things went south.Short 5 players??? What's the story there?
Any word on the remainder of the SCAHA schedule? I'm assuming that the SoCal teams will play each other regardless of Flight. So does that mean that the 4 NorCal teams just play each other?
Don't forget to visit the pro shop
This board has been dead lately, so lets get people fired up again.....
Predictions for Valencia weekend:
Ducks Vs. Kings Ducks by 2
Empire vs. Bears Bears by 5
Wave Vs. GSE 1 GSE by 4
GSE2 Vs. Sharks GSE2 by 2
Blackhawks vs. OC OC by 1
Kings vs. Wave Kings by 1
OC vs. GSE1 GSE by 1
Empire vs GSE 2 GSE by 4
Bears Vs. Blackhawks Bears by 3
Sharks vs. Ducks Sharks by 2
OC Vs Wave OC by 3
GSE1 vs GSE 2 GSE2 by 2
Sharks vs. Empire Sharks by 3
Blackhawks vs. Ducks Blackhawks by 2
Bears vs. Kings Bears by 5
Ducks vs. Wave Ducks by 2
Empire vs. Blackhawks blackhawks by 3
Sharks Vs OC OC by 1
GSE 2 vs Bears (Best game of the weekend) I predict a tie ;)
Kings vs GSE 1 GSE by 5
Don't forget to visit the pro shop
That's next month. lol ;D
So the title of the thread is "Predictions for AA?"
Anybody want to make a prediction as to when we'll actually see a SCAHA regular season schedule?
I can't be the only one who is thinking about business and holiday travel plans am I?
Not to mention somewhat of a passing interest in who will be playing whom in between our CAHA diversions.
I predict we will have it on Saturday the 14th and my kid's team will probably have a 7am game in San Diego the next day
Haha. And we will probably only get the next 4 weeks. This will allow scaha to punish any team with 3 hour drives and 7:00 am games throughout the entire season., if they complain too much. That , Or create matchups that help some teams while hurting others as we head into each month with the next 4 weeks.
where will weekend scores be posted?
Yoy have two teams wave & empire losing all their games. Empire is playing tough teams but i see them winning 2 out of four. They have already beat blackhawks before and should be able to handle sharks. Their coaching is too good for them to lose all four games. Should be an interesting weekend unlike any other caha weekend where half of the games were easy for major year teams. Every team will have to earn their wins.This board has been dead lately, so lets get people fired up again.....
Predictions for Valencia weekend:
Ducks Vs. Kings Ducks by 2
Empire vs. Bears Bears by 5
Wave Vs. GSE 1 GSE by 4
GSE2 Vs. Sharks GSE2 by 2
Blackhawks vs. OC OC by 1
Kings vs. Wave Kings by 1
OC vs. GSE1 GSE by 1
Empire vs GSE 2 GSE by 4
Bears Vs. Blackhawks Bears by 3
Sharks vs. Ducks Sharks by 2
OC Vs Wave OC by 3
GSE1 vs GSE 2 GSE2 by 2
Sharks vs. Empire Sharks by 3
Blackhawks vs. Ducks Blackhawks by 2
Bears vs. Kings Bears by 5
Ducks vs. Wave Ducks by 2
Empire vs. Blackhawks blackhawks by 3
Sharks Vs OC OC by 1
GSE 2 vs Bears (Best game of the weekend) I predict a tie ;)
Kings vs GSE 1 GSE by 5
Observed & overheard: Blackhawks players in front of the rink last night bragging and laughing about how the embellishment got a Ducks player ejected from the game. They seemed quite pleased with themselves.
Jr. Flyers and JK2 is showing a 1-1 tie. Is this real?
This board has been dead lately, so lets get people fired up again.....
Predictions for Valencia weekend:
Ducks Vs. Kings Ducks by 2
Empire vs. Bears Bears by 5
Wave Vs. GSE 1 GSE by 4
GSE2 Vs. Sharks GSE2 by 2
Blackhawks vs. OC OC by 1
Kings vs. Wave Kings by 1
OC vs. GSE1 GSE by 1
Empire vs GSE 2 GSE by 4
Bears Vs. Blackhawks Bears by 3
Sharks vs. Ducks Sharks by 2
OC Vs Wave OC by 3
GSE1 vs GSE 2 GSE2 by 2
Sharks vs. Empire Sharks by 3
Blackhawks vs. Ducks Blackhawks by 2
Bears vs. Kings Bears by 5
Ducks vs. Wave Ducks by 2
Empire vs. Blackhawks blackhawks by 3
Sharks Vs OC OC by 1
GSE 2 vs Bears (Best game of the weekend) I predict a tie ;)
Kings vs GSE 1 GSE by 5
This week's picks for the Red Headed Step Child FlightJr Flyers screwing me twice !!
Benny's. Vs. Mariners. Mariners by 6
Saints. Vs. Oc2. Saints by 2
Jr Flyers. Vs. Jd2. IF by 2
Mariners. Vs. JK2. Mariners by 4
Benny's. Vs. WW. WW by 3
Benny's. Vs. Saints. Saints by 5
Jk2. Vs. Jd2. Jk2 by 1
Mariners. Vs. JF. Mariners by 2
WW. Vs. OC2. WW by 2
OC2. Vs. Benny's. OC2 by 2
WW. VS. Saints. WW by 1
JK2. Vs. J Flyers. JF by 1
Good luck everyone
Interesting weekend for sure. Empire is really showing grit and potential for growth and success. They have one of the best goalies who held Bears 3-3 up into the third period. It will be interesting to watch them develop. They have big kids and coach has them pretty disciplined even if they have mouths.OC was with 4 skaters pretty much the entire weekend. Lack of discipline really hurt them. Hopefully for them, they will right that ship. (OC blew 2 leads, both in the last few minutes...) It’s definitely going to be an exciting year in the top flight. My question is why were Ducks 1 shooting on an empty net (wave) at the end of a blow out game when the score was like 9 to 1 ? (Celebrating each empty netter) 😳🙄😬
The bears have always been and will remain the team to beat. Although they are not the biggest they are fast and play smart. Coach uses their talent and the boys are disciplined and work. They are fast and anticipate each play and trust each other--good hockey
GSE 1/2 both played hard but overall looked middle of the pack.
The real shock was OCHC 1 really choking. They appeared strong in San Jose with their robust bench and physical smart play. Then it seems like they brought the same team from last season to Valencia. Trying to make something work that might not be there. Perhaps without Green on their bench rolling the lines, coaching, and using their entire bench the magic is just not there (he was busy putting up a W for his season opener). Not to mention their penalties
My question is why were Ducks 1 shooting on an empty net (wave) at the end of a blow out game when the score was like 9 to 1 ? (Celebrating each empty netter) 😳🙄😬Is that why the score was 17-2?? A bunch of empty-netters? Yikes...
Yes....( I saw I think 5 empty netters) it was embarrassing to see them celebrating each goal. Poor sportsmanship at its finestMy question is why were Ducks 1 shooting on an empty net (wave) at the end of a blow out game when the score was like 9 to 1 ? (Celebrating each empty netter) 😳🙄😬Is that why the score was 17-2?? A bunch of empty-netters? Yikes...
So my question is why was the goalie pulled and they went empty net? Were both Goalies hurt?I watched the 1st period and came back towards the end of the 3rd. It was like 9 to 1 or something like that and the wave were without a goalie. I heard he got kicked out.... not sure why. From that point on I watched and saw Ducks 1 going 100 percent.... maybe a Ducks or wave parent can chime in.
So my question is why was the goalie pulled and they went empty net? Were both Goalies hurt?
Wave parent told me that there were a few Duck parents telling their kids to stop scoring... and the coach was yelling at them for not shooting... I was in the rink for the 17th goal... listening to about half the parents cheering just as load as if it was the 1st. Sickening. I would be embarrassed if it was my team doing that.
Anybody know why there was not a running clock?
So what is the story with OC1?
I thought they were a top 4 team going into this weekend.
Now they look like they will be between 6-8
So what is the story with OC1?
I thought they were a top 4 team going into this weekend.
Now they look like they will be between 6-8
Penalties, penalties, and more penalties.
So what is the story with OC1?
I thought they were a top 4 team going into this weekend.
Now they look like they will be between 6-8
OC has one issue... penalties. Skating short handed does a few things...mainly it messes
The lines up and wears out the skaters. OC will be fine as long as the players that continue to go in the box become more disciplined in the near future. OC was very flat for the opening 2 periods vs the WAve (wave goalie was fantastic as well) and OC played a solid game against the sharks and came up short.
unsportsmanlike for running up the score or for the goalie jumping on someone and throwing punches. sometimes you get what you deserve. What was the score before the goalie was ejected? I heard it was 12-1, if so, that's only 5 empty net goals.
The wave in that same game were pretty dirty as well (seems to be a trend eh?)
It does seem like a trend...it is understood that the kids are 13-14 years of age and have raging hormones but the question that I keep hearing over and over is....where is the discipline from the Coach or Coaches? do they absolutely not have any control of the team? As a parent I would be ashamed to be linked to what is going on there or maybe the club president should step up or step in. A shame because they do have a few skilled players.
Great question as we were up 10-0 going into the third and they never ran a clock. I was told that since GD matters they will not be running the clocks at CAHA weekends.No more cap at 7 GD per game?
unsportsmanlike for running up the score or for the goalie jumping on someone and throwing punches. sometimes you get what you deserve. What was the score before the goalie was ejected? I heard it was 12-1, if so, that's only 5 empty net goals.
It was 9 to 1 at the time the goalie was ejected. Each additional goal was celebrated including the one that went in at the final buzzer. Ducks continued full speed, even taking two offensive zone penalties in the frenzy to score - otherwise it COULD have been more. "Sometimes you get what you deserve" no doubt applies here. Giving them "what they deserve" should always be a higher priority than sportsmanship or decorum. It teaches the kids what's important in sports.
The goalie showed no restraint in the situation which frees up the opposing coach from any obligation to show restraint.
Good thing the Ducks taught that goalie the lesson that he and his team deserved for his mistake. An unsportsmanlike act should always be addressed with good aggressive unsportsmanlike oneupsmanship. It was fun to watch. Makes one proud of California hockey.
Stick tap for the sarcasm...lolunsportsmanlike for running up the score or for the goalie jumping on someone and throwing punches. sometimes you get what you deserve. What was the score before the goalie was ejected? I heard it was 12-1, if so, that's only 5 empty net goals.
It was 9 to 1 at the time the goalie was ejected. Each additional goal was celebrated including the one that went in at the final buzzer. Ducks continued full speed, even taking two offensive zone penalties in the frenzy to score - otherwise it COULD have been more. "Sometimes you get what you deserve" no doubt applies here. Giving them "what they deserve" should always be a higher priority than sportsmanship or decorum. It teaches the kids what's important in sports.
The goalie showed no restraint in the situation which frees up the opposing coach from any obligation to show restraint.
Good thing the Ducks taught that goalie the lesson that he and his team deserved for his mistake. An unsportsmanlike act should always be addressed with good aggressive unsportsmanlike oneupsmanship. It was fun to watch. Makes one proud of California hockey.
The wave in that same game were pretty dirty as well (seems to be a trend eh?)
It does seem like a trend...it is understood that the kids are 13-14 years of age and have raging hormones but the question that I keep hearing over and over is....where is the discipline from the Coach or Coaches? do they absolutely not have any control of the team? As a parent I would be ashamed to be linked to what is going on there or maybe the club president should step up or step in. A shame because they do have a few skilled players.
Wave1 coaches obviously have zero control over their kids, or worst yet, are telling them to play like thugs. Sure they have a few skilled kids, but sadly they're the ones hitting late, boarding or elbowing kids in the head. As far as their parents, I hear them cheering when their kids dish out dirty hits and whining when refs send them to the box.
I understand young men at 13-14 can be unpredictable and we can always blame it on raging hormones. But by now, they've played enough hockey to know what's right and what's wrong. If you play like thugs out there trying to lay big hits and hurt people instead of playing hockey, you deserve what you get. If my kid continuously ends up in the box with late dirty hits, no way will I be cheering for him to behave like a thug.
Honor the game, play it the right way or you ain't playing at all.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
Great question as we were up 10-0 going into the third and they never ran a clock. I was told that since GD matters they will not be running the clocks at CAHA weekends.No more cap at 7 GD per game?
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game. I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them... That could be any team on on any given game. Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing. The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called.
That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game. I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them... That could be any team on on any given game. Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing. The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called.
That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game. I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them... That could be any team on on any given game. Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing. The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called.
That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.
If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.
Stay Classy folks!
Karma
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game. I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them... That could be any team on on any given game. Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing. The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called.
That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.
If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.
Stay Classy folks!
I am not a Wave 1 parent.
If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play. Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game. I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them... That could be any team on on any given game. Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing. The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called.
That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.
If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.
Stay Classy folks!
I am not a Wave 1 parent.
If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play. Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game. I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them... That could be any team on on any given game. Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing. The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called.
That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.
If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.
Stay Classy folks!
I am not a Wave 1 parent.
If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play. Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.
SkatingDad, I guess you haven't seen Wave 1 play yet, so forgive those of us who have for taking your comments on the topic with a truckload of salt. It has nothing to do with size -- in fact, Wave 1 are not even a particularly big team, which is one reason why their chicken$#&^ will come home to roost.
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for. Especially the celebrations.
I am not a Wave 1 parent.
If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play. Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game. I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them... That could be any team on on any given game. Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing. The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called.
That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.
If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.
Stay Classy folks!
I am not a Wave 1 parent.
If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play. Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.
Evidently changing the name of your team but keeping the administration intact hasn't changed the results for BF's wildcats/reignBystander: Your kid obviously has never played for BF or heard his sales pitch. It's not about winning. It's about development, it's about FUELING THE PASSION!! You don't ever see any of his teams orchestrating a goalie ejection or running up the score. HE IS PURE INTEGRITY. The club's 80% player turnover every year is a little puzzling though.
12U AA. 0-3-1
14U AA. 0-4-0
16U AA. 0-3-0
18U AA. 0-3-1
why didn't the wave suit up a skater? is that not allowed? I think they have couple of kids that have played goalie before.
Evidently changing the name of your team but keeping the administration intact hasn't changed the results for BF's wildcats/reignBystander: Your kid obviously has never played for BF or heard his sales pitch. It's not about winning. It's about development, it's about FUELING THE PASSION!! You don't ever see any of his teams orchestrating a goalie ejection or running up the score. HE IS PURE INTEGRITY. The club's 80% player turnover every year is a little puzzling though.
12U AA. 0-3-1
14U AA. 0-4-0
16U AA. 0-3-0
18U AA. 0-3-1
Where the heck is our SCAHA schedule?
Where the heck is our SCAHA schedule?
Our manager got it from SCAHA... they gave her the next 4 weeks.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game. I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them... That could be any team on on any given game. Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing. The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called.
That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.
If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.
Stay Classy folks!
I am not a Wave 1 parent.
If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play. Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.
SkatingDad, I guess you haven't seen Wave 1 play yet, so forgive those of us who have for taking your comments on the topic with a truckload of salt. It has nothing to do with size -- in fact, Wave 1 are not even a particularly big team, which is one reason why their chicken$#&^ will come home to roost.
I have seem them play and there are some tall kids.
These are kids we are talking about! The coaches and parents should be ashamed of themselves for cheering for running up a 17-2 score with an empty next. You included! They are kids.
BTW, I prefer Sea Salt and Bantam Chickens.
Seems like you really have an ax to grind against Wave 1.
I have an axe to grind against any team that plays like a bunch of dirty thugs trying to hurt other kids instead of focusing on playing the game.
I did not see this game so, I can not speak to that game. I do not know if you were there ether but, it sounds like you where since you think they played like thugs. There are lots of reasons a goalie can loose his shit, happens to the best of them... That could be any team on on any given game. Depends on which colored glasses you are wearing. The refereeing in youth hockey is extremely inconsistent and a lot of things are missed or unfairly called.
That said, I do think it is bad form to run up a 17-2 score because the other team does not have a goalie regardless of the reason the goalie is not on the ice.
SkatingDad...it has been addressed a few times by different people from different teams the same way. "Wave1 play dirty and the Coach has no control of their team" This is the first time that I hear the goalie lost his cool but the players are a whole different story.
If you are a Wave1 parent you should really be looking at the team and questioning the type of coaching your kid is getting. There is no development when you are just gooning it up.
Stay Classy folks!
I am not a Wave 1 parent.
If your kid is on the smaller side and is getting crushed by a kid then, you are going to yell goon, others would call it physical play. Physical play for Bantams is very subjective and every team has a hot head.
SkatingDad, I guess you haven't seen Wave 1 play yet, so forgive those of us who have for taking your comments on the topic with a truckload of salt. It has nothing to do with size -- in fact, Wave 1 are not even a particularly big team, which is one reason why their chicken$#&^ will come home to roost.
I have seem them play and there are some tall kids.
These are kids we are talking about! The coaches and parents should be ashamed of themselves for cheering for running up a 17-2 score with an empty next. You included! They are kids.
BTW, I prefer Sea Salt and Bantam Chickens.
Sorry Skating Dad, you must have me mistaken for some other tool. I wasn't there, let alone cheering, so I have nothing to be "ashamed" of. Nor did I advocate cheering while running up the score. Please read twice, and then take a breath before hitting the "post" button, next time you have an urge to reply to me.
lighten up francis;D ;D ;D That's like the 3rd reference to "Francis" in the last two weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs)
lighten up francis;D ;D ;D That's like the 3rd reference to "Francis" in the last two weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs)
If any of you homos talk shit on my team...... I'll kill ya!Your kid can't shoot and skates funny...... :D
If any of you homos talk shit on my team...... I'll kill ya!Your kid can't shoot and skates funny...... :D
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for. Especially the celebrations.Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. I've watched them play. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for. Especially the celebrations.Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.
The coach won't do anything about them. The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle). The parents won't do anything about them. So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it. I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message. Then we can all go back to just playing hockey. Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.
Will LOVE to see what a big, skilled 03 team will do to them if they pull that crap .......Wait, play OC 03s this week end...... ;DI don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for. Especially the celebrations.Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. I've watched them play. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.
The coach won't do anything about them. The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle). The parents won't do anything about them. So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it. I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message. Then we can all go back to just playing hockey. Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.
I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for. Especially the celebrations.Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.
The coach won't do anything about them. The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle). The parents won't do anything about them. So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it. I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message. Then we can all go back to just playing hockey. Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.
Running up the score is not the issue. The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout. When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal. Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents. Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties, this behavior can not be justified.
Running up the score is not the issue. The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout. When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal. Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents. Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties, this behavior can not be justified.
Every coach my kid ever played for was teaching the kids not to retaliate and instead hurt them where it matters the most, on the board. Wouldn't that apply here since the empty net was a result of a goalie being ejected from the game for attacking one of the ducks players? If the goalie left the game due to injury now that would be a different story.This. There are a few JD1 kids that could have taken matters in their own hands and looked to retaliate physically. Be glad there was only damage done on the scoreboard and that some egos were hurt...they heal a lot quicker than concussions and injuries.
Running up the score is not the issue. The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout. When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal. Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents. Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties, this behavior can not be justified.
What the actual f%*k did I just read!? You are sure 1/3 to 1/2 of the calls were not actually penalties? How so? If you've seen how they play, I'd bet Wave1 probably got away with 1/3 more than what was actually called. Quit worrying about meaningless cellies instead of the actual problem, which is why are these kids playing like a bunch of thugs. Playing recklessly and trying to hurt other kids is the ONLY behavior that can not be justified.
You sure you're not a Wave1 parent?
Anyone know why the Ducks 1 and Wave 1 score was changed to 0-1? CAHA now states the Wave won.Forfeit??
Anyone know why the Ducks 1 and Wave 1 score was changed to 0-1? CAHA now states the Wave won.
It's because they used a suspended player. Look at suspension list on CAHA.com
baahaa...this guy!I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for. Especially the celebrations.Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.
The coach won't do anything about them. The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle). The parents won't do anything about them. So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it. I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message. Then we can all go back to just playing hockey. Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.
Running up the score is not the issue. The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout. When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal. Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents. Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties, this behavior can not be justified.
baahaa...this guy!I don't care how dirty a team is.... and Wave 1 has been dirty... 17 goals is excessive and uncalled for. Especially the celebrations.Never like to bag on kids, but these are clearly out of control. Careless, reckless, dangerous. This team alone holds 7 of the top 13 spots for penalty minutes for Flight I.
The coach won't do anything about them. The Club won't do anything about them (recall last year's PWAA debacle). The parents won't do anything about them. So if there was ever a situation to justify running up the score, in my book, this would be it. I'm fine with other teams pounding them, until the kids, the coach, the parents get the message. Then we can all go back to just playing hockey. Until then, hopefully no one gets hurt.
Running up the score is not the issue. The issue is celebrating each empty net goal like it was the first goal. We have all been on each side of a blowout. When you are blowing out a team you do not celebrate each goal. Classy players also do not celebrate goals in a blow out, they just go back to the face off circle. I guess it starts with the parents. Regardless of how you feel about penalties and I am sure at least a third (maybe half) of all penalties called are not actually penalties, this behavior can not be justified.
were the manager and coach unaware of the Game Misconduct??? you got to be kidding me!!!It's because they used a suspended player. Look at suspension list on CAHA.com
How dumb can you be? I hope that was worth it. :o
The 1/3 to 1/2 of calls not being actual penalties is an observation of watching youth hockey for many years. They also miss that many calls. The same statistics apply to every game with a standard deviation.
They are overly protective of the small kids and the refs actually give reasons for the penalties of "He hit to hard" That is not in the rule book! If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was. I have seen that called many times and it usually is a 10 and 2. What is that teaching the kids?
No Wave 2 parent, I am not a Wave 1 parent.
The 1/3 to 1/2 of calls not being actual penalties is an observation of watching youth hockey for many years. They also miss that many calls. The same statistics apply to every game with a standard deviation.
They are overly protective of the small kids and the refs actually give reasons for the penalties of "He hit to hard" That is not in the rule book! If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was. I have seen that called many times and it usually is a 10 and 2. What is that teaching the kids?
No Wave 2 parent, I am not a Wave 1 parent.
Thanks for clarifying because I seriously thought for a sec that you're a Wave1 parent since you go out of the way to defend them (despite general consensus being that Wave1 plays like goons) and said you have never even watch them play?
Seems to only be a consensus with Wave 2 parents.
It's because they used a suspended player. Look at suspension list on CAHA.comThis is PURE comedy. Both teams are pretty funny. One one side we have the Wave... everyone is complaining about how cheap they are and that they run around cheapshoting everyone. Then, on the other side we have the misfit Ducks 1 with a coach that’s at best, questionable (cheater). You can’t make this stuff up folks. 😂😂😂😂 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The team was told the ejection from the previous game would not affect that player's ability to play in the next game.
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?
My guess is that they will get a Wave goalie from a 14U A team. I believe teams can fill the goaltending position in this type of a situation.
Would they be able to have one of their current skaters suit up?
Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
That is a good question. The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.
Think since he played in a game he wasn't supposed (even though it was a forfeit) to that he still has to sit a game.
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
That is a good question. The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.
I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
That is a good question. The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.
I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.
I sill think it should be a suspension but, the game technically did not happen. There is no score sheet for the game. How could he have hit a kid in the head with his blocker if the game did not happen?
Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
That is a good question. The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.
I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.
I sill think it should be a suspension but, the game technically did not happen. There is no score sheet for the game. How could he have hit a kid in the head with his blocker if the game did not happen?
But you see the game did happen. I was there. I watched it happen. The coach for the Jr Ducks used a suspended player which wasn't discovered until after the game was over. It's no different if a player gets a match penalty during a pre-season exhibition game. As long as the game falls under USA Hockey rules, the enforcement of penalties still occurs regardless of the status of the game. Exhibition game, pre-season game, regular season game, forfeited game, etc... it doesn't matter. Penalties can be handed out before, during and after the game. The game occurred, the goalie punched a player in the head so he is suspended.
Correction, Skating Dad: at least a third (maybe half) of the goals and assists should not count. BE CONSISTENT!Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
That is a good question. The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.
I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.
I sill think it should be a suspension but, the game technically did not happen. There is no score sheet for the game. How could he have hit a kid in the head with his blocker if the game did not happen?
But you see the game did happen. I was there. I watched it happen. The coach for the Jr Ducks used a suspended player which wasn't discovered until after the game was over. It's no different if a player gets a match penalty during a pre-season exhibition game. As long as the game falls under USA Hockey rules, the enforcement of penalties still occurs regardless of the status of the game. Exhibition game, pre-season game, regular season game, forfeited game, etc... it doesn't matter. Penalties can be handed out before, during and after the game. The game occurred, the goalie punched a player in the head so he is suspended.
Agreed
However, using that same logic, the goals and assist should also count.
Correction, Skating Dad: at least a third (maybe half) of the goals and assists should not count. BE CONSISTENT!Umm, does the Wave have another goalie to suit up against OC1 this weekend?Why is this question comming up, is he suspended?
That is a good question. The game he got suspended in technically did not happen because it was a forfeit. I am sure he is still suspended but, it makes you wounder if he should be.
I'm sorry but the game did happen. The goalie did punch other players in the head with his blocker. The goalie was given a game misconduct so he should be and is suspended from his next game. Just because the coach of the opposing team used a suspended player doesn't mean other players are not responsible for their actions.
I sill think it should be a suspension but, the game technically did not happen. There is no score sheet for the game. How could he have hit a kid in the head with his blocker if the game did not happen?
But you see the game did happen. I was there. I watched it happen. The coach for the Jr Ducks used a suspended player which wasn't discovered until after the game was over. It's no different if a player gets a match penalty during a pre-season exhibition game. As long as the game falls under USA Hockey rules, the enforcement of penalties still occurs regardless of the status of the game. Exhibition game, pre-season game, regular season game, forfeited game, etc... it doesn't matter. Penalties can be handed out before, during and after the game. The game occurred, the goalie punched a player in the head so he is suspended.
Agreed
However, using that same logic, the goals and assist should also count.
The 1/3 to 1/2 of calls not being actual penalties is an observation of watching youth hockey for many years. They also miss that many calls. The same statistics apply to every game with a standard deviation.
They are overly protective of the small kids and the refs actually give reasons for the penalties of "He hit to hard" That is not in the rule book! If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was. I have seen that called many times and it usually is a 10 and 2. What is that teaching the kids?
No Wave 2 parent, I am not a Wave 1 parent.
Thanks for clarifying because I seriously thought for a sec that you're a Wave1 parent since you go out of the way to defend them (despite general consensus being that Wave1 plays like goons) and said you have never even watch them play?
Anyhow, regarding the "he hits too hard" or 2 & 10 calls, I know those too well unfortunately. My kid seems to excel at violent hits. If you know who he is, you'd know that he has never been labeled dirty. He never even targets little kids, but if you are his same size or bigger, it's fair game to him and recently he got a 2 & 10 vs a Kings1 Dmen who was probably 3-4 inches taller but when he was hit, he curled up and fell into the boards. Clean and legal hit but again, "too violent" which like you said, it's not in the rule book.
Refs have called a few 2 & 10's on him and their explanation is usually the same, the hits are "too big" or "too violent" that they had to call something. Not that they were dirty hits, just "too big" and I can tell you that my kid has been a different player ever since... For the past few weeks, he hasn't been himself on ice. He's apprehensive about when to hit and afraid to get calls and when you're not playing free out there, your game suffers. He did manage to make hits while not visiting the box during Valencia and he even had a convo with a ref in the parking lot after his last game and it went like this:
Ref: Hey are you 'last name,' number XX?
Kid: Yes.
Ref: Ya, I saw you out there... trying to kill people...
Kid: .......
Ref: But they were all clean.
I can tell you that my son felt somewhat validated and was appreciative of what the ref said. Hopefully he has learned his lesson and will play carefree again soon with more emphasis on safety...
So my point is that yes, you're not wrong to say that 1/3 to 1/2 calls are iffy/borderline and justice depends on the refs. You get a picky ref, a borderline call is a penalty but to a not-so-picky ref, he might let them play. But I'm with you on "If it is a legal hit then it does not matter how hard it was" but truth is the refs dictate what's legal or not. It's just when it comes to Wave1, it really seems to be a pattern and getting harder to justify their action...
Well the OC v Wave game this weekend should be another good spectacle. Between Waves "dirty" thug play and OCs inability to stay out of the penalty box it could get ugly. It appears that Waves coach is condoning this play and OC is full of less disciplined players. OC has a few big kids but those don't seem to be their liability players that are hurting their team. I put wave by 1 this weekend
Well the OC v Wave game this weekend should be another good spectacle. Between Waves "dirty" thug play and OCs inability to stay out of the penalty box it could get ugly. It appears that Waves coach is condoning this play and OC is full of less disciplined players. OC has a few big kids but those don't seem to be their liability players that are hurting their team. I put wave by 1 this weekend
I would say that is optimistic If you remember, the Wave only have one goalie and he is suspended. They will be playing with a sub goalie.
Busy at work.
Someone's gotta pay for the weekends.....
WRATH OF CAHA(N)
OCHC over Wave 6-0.Shots were 58-6 OC
Wave kids were dirty as hell.2 Wave1 players were kicked out of the game. The last one was a check from behind into the boards
Well by the looks of SOG and the score did OC finally show up and play-was it that the Wave had a fill in goalie or did they look better than they did in Valencia??? Just curious. Sounds like Wave can not get control of their kids!
Any other scores to report?
Wave kids were dirty as hell.
Well by the looks of SOG and the score did OC finally show up and play-was it that the Wave had a fill in goalie or did they look better than they did in Valencia??? Just curious. Sounds like Wave can not get control of their kids!OC played like they should... the difference between this game and the one in Valencia was that OC got back on track to playing like a team AND staying out of the box. 3 to 4 penalties a game is average but they took 13 against them in Valencia and they didn’t play a team game. The Wave goalie was awesome in Valencia and this one played great as well... OC will be fine... 14 year olds can lose focus quickly and the coach is definitely holding kids accountable for missed plays and bad penalties. A lot of kids were sat today after a shift for undisciplined play. Giving up two leads in Valencia was a big wake up call for the team.
Any other scores to report?
Ducks1 over Flyers 2-0
Flyers pulled their goalie with over 2 min left and Ducks cashed in on it.
Lots of penalties on the Flyers two of their D men got 10 min each.
A coach of ours was at his daughter's LD practice and observed a loud fight/disagreement between Ducks 1 parents. Ducks 1 Coach came in screaming about something regarding their ability to "get along"? I heard this 2nd hand just attempting to squash rumors or generate interesting commentary on a hockey blog...
Well the OC v Wave game this weekend should be another good spectacle. Between Waves "dirty" thug play and OCs inability to stay out of the penalty box it could get ugly. It appears that Waves coach is condoning this play and OC is full of less disciplined players. OC has a few big kids but those don't seem to be their liability players that are hurting their team. I put wave by 1 this weekend
Well the OC v Wave game this weekend should be another good spectacle. Between Waves "dirty" thug play and OCs inability to stay out of the penalty box it could get ugly. It appears that Waves coach is condoning this play and OC is full of less disciplined players. OC has a few big kids but those don't seem to be their liability players that are hurting their team. I put wave by 1 this weekend
Hope you didn't bet money on that.
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable. I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of. Nothing like an entire game of special teams.
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable. I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of. Nothing like an entire game of special teams.
That is incorrect. Bantam Flyers only took 4 penalties to the Ducks who took 2. 4 Penalties is hardly an "entire game of special teams".
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable. I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of. Nothing like an entire game of special teams.
That is incorrect. Bantam Flyers only took 4 penalties to the Ducks who took 2. 4 Penalties is hardly an "entire game of special teams".
Except half of the Flyers were game misconduct 10 min.
PuckYeah was also speaking about the Midget game he was there not at the Bantam game.
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable. I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of. Nothing like an entire game of special teams.He doesn't stipulate which game was entirely of special teams. Since the Bantams only took 4, care to speculate on what happened there?
The number of stupid penalties on the Flyers both Bantam and Midget is unbelievable. I would have thought there would be some consequence handed out by now but none that I am aware of. Nothing like an entire game of special teams.
That is incorrect. Bantam Flyers only took 4 penalties to the Ducks who took 2. 4 Penalties is hardly an "entire game of special teams".
Except half of the Flyers were game misconduct 10 min.
PuckYeah was also speaking about the Midget game he was there not at the Bantam game.
10 Minute misconducts don't equate to special team play. He specifically said the Bantam took penalties that put them on special teams for the entire game.
anyone know any of the Flight II results?
anyone know any of the Flight II results?
Why are managers not posting scores?
anyone know any of the Flight II results?
Why are managers not posting scores?
I don't think SCAHA scores get posted for AA. Only the CAHA scores.
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WAVE1. JD1. JD1 BY 17 (IF THEY DON'T CHEAT)
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OC 1 Over OC 2... 10-1
Empire over JK2 7-0
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4
Great observations on OC1.... Definitely inconsistent and really, thats ok.(it's a long season) They are a collective group of good 03's that play pretty hard. No kids are billited or travel 2 plus hours to play there. They're all local homegrown 14 year olds that work hard and enjoy playing hard. You're gonna win and lose. They played 2 periods of good hockey this am against some fast skilled 04 AAA players and took 6 penalties ( Kings scored 4 power play goals) OC came out flat after a four goal lead(6-2) going into the third and really let that slip away. Big let down for OC and it felt like a loss.... Against the Mariners, OC really didn't skate and unfortunately for them couldn't close the game. Mariners have a kid that is as good as any player in the top tier as well as a very good goalie.... At the end of the day, it's youth hockey and its always exciting to watch. Congrats to the MarinersOC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4
OC wins for most inconsistent team on the ice
OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4
Mariners were close to beating another good top tier team the week before ( empire)OC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4
Just shows how dumb the flight system is. I don't care if it was game two of the day.
I do see your point and understand what you’re saying but in the end I think CaHA is simply saying, ‘ok, of you’re not willing to properly assess your teams, then we will. We all know there’s teams playing levels throughout California that shouldn’t be #moneygrab #parentalbraggingrightsOC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4
Just shows how dumb the flight system is. I don't care if it was game two of the day.
I do see your point and understand what you’re saying but in the end I think CaHA is simply saying, ‘ok, of you’re not willing to properly assess your teams, then we will. We all know there’s teams playing levels throughout California that shouldn’t be #moneygrab #parentalbraggingrightsOC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4
Just shows how dumb the flight system is. I don't care if it was game two of the day.
Yeah... super lame and very unfortunate. The top teams playing the worst teams definitely don’t look forward to it. I know for a fact that when a certain top tier team plays the lower teams, they don’t hit.I do see your point and understand what you’re saying but in the end I think CaHA is simply saying, ‘ok, of you’re not willing to properly assess your teams, then we will. We all know there’s teams playing levels throughout California that shouldn’t be #moneygrab #parentalbraggingrightsOC1 (Flight 1) - 4
Mariners(Flight 2) - 4
Just shows how dumb the flight system is. I don't care if it was game two of the day.
Good point. There is little question something needed to be done to keep certain clubs from placing their teams in the wrong division. The frustration for many is the way CAHA decided to go about it. There is already a mechanism in place to address the situation: Move the team to Bantam A.
Instead of having the difficult conversation with coaches and clubs, and instead of inconveniencing the CAHA board member who runs the Riverside team, the CAHA leadership decided to allow clubs to retain their ability to simply place teams anywhere they want. Nothing has really changed. As a matter of fact, CAHA has now put in place a system where less honest clubs can more easily sell the "AA" dream and never have to be accountable if the team is really bad. They just go to Flight 2.
CAHA needed leadership when things got tough. They did not get it. The solution is simple:
If a team is not good enough to play with the other AA teams, they are an A team.
Ehh. I think a simple rule where clubs can only field 1 AA team and 1 AAA team will make the problem go away.That would be WAY to simple and legit. hahahahahah
Basically. AAA = major, AA = minor.. the rest are A and B. Then you say no AAA without a AA team and no AA without an A team.
Then hold all AAA,AA,A tryouts over two weekends all at the same time.
Then let the free market solve the rest.
Yeah... super lame and very unfortunate. The top teams playing the worst teams definitely don’t look forward to it. I know for a fact that when a certain top tier team plays the lower teams, they don’t hit.
(And the final scores are usually 10-0 or 15-1 ) And because of that, the games different.
If they did hit, it wouldn’t be pretty. And who benefits from that?
How can you say AAA in Cali is "not really AAA"You guys are dumb !
Cali teams nationally rank in the top 20 on a regular basis
No doubt it's early but here are the current AAA rankings of Cali teams:
2005s. #8
2004s. #11
2003s. #9
2002s. #19
What is your measure of success?
LMAO!!!! CA is not real AAA hockey ;DBrace yourself, here come all the upset AAA parents.
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Dumb?Let my be more eloquent,
I'm impressed with the breadth of your vocabulary.
The point that was being made was based on competitiveness within their peer group. Rankings are based on strength of schedule, goal differential and performance. Seems like an objective unit of measure. So yes it does mean something.
Winning State is one measure of success but it's like being the biggest fish in small bowl. A more comprehensive measure is how you compete in a deeper and broader talent pool.
Maybe the AP should stop with their Top 25 since it doesnt mean sh*t. Only the national championship matters.
Not sure what happened with that postLOL
It's interesting to hear people try to diminish the quality of that level. It usually comes from those who are unable to play at that level due to skill, means, commitment , etc. however they are the first to bad mouth AAA.
My comment certainly doesn't apply to all. There are many who do want the AAA politics. They're usually not the "angry" ones. They are the practical ones who enjoy the sport and what it provides.
For the record, I am a AA tier 1 parent who's son also won their respective state championship.
LMFAO!!! yeah sure ok, a USHL scout came to CA to scout CA kids and witnessed the 16AAA #2 ranked team in the nation play (Craig Johnson, Alex Kim) team and says this is not AAA hockey? hahaha..... YOU ARE FAKE NEWS!!!! :'(Touched a nerve 😉 sorry about that
"Mariners have a kid that is as good as any player in the top tier as well as a very good goalie.... " stick to flight 2 Mr. Very good goalie LMFAO!!!!
Mr Hockey Rankings Don't Mean Sh*t-where are you getting your info about JDAA being top ranked team in California?If you read my post again professor, you'd see I said #1 in Calif
Last I checked Bears AA were ranked #1 in the country, JDAA ranked #52.
FAKE NEWS. Sad!
Mr. Hockey Rankings Don't Mean sh*t:I didn't do the rankings Gilligan.
So you're saying 52 ranked JDAA are higher ranked than #1 ranked Bears?
LMFAO
JD2 is ranked #1 in Calif for 04 team's because they are the only team listed. It's a tongue in cheek remark.. trying to say that rankings are a joke.Way to go Teemu, hit it out of the park !!
Hey... I'm just here to help... 😉
Hey... I'm just here to help... 😉
Seems we lost focus an how the Flight one OC team could tie a Flight 2 team?
Let's get back on topic.
you still going with the 2nd game of the day shouldn't matter?Hey... I'm just here to help... 😉
Seems we lost focus an how the Flight one OC team could tie a Flight 2 team?
Let's get back on topic.
Just my opinion, but i wouldn't put much onto scaha game results. Some teams understand that these games are meaningless except to egos (like rankings :P )
Some coaches keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have.
I believe OC1 is a legit flight 1, and I also believe they would beat most if not all flight 2 teams if game counted
Not affiliated with either team. I just think that if it's a CAHA game OC approaches it differently.Just my opinion, but i wouldn't put much onto scaha game results. Some teams understand that these games are meaningless except to egos (like rankings :P )
Some coaches keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have.
I believe OC1 is a legit flight 1, and I also believe they would beat most if not all flight 2 teams if game counted
So you are saying OC could of pounded Simi but didn't really care so that's why it was a tie.
Yes that makes sense
Tell us, how would they approach it differently? Does the coach tell the kids the game does not matter? Does he tell them to relax and just have a great time? Does he tell them it doesn't matter if a team assigned to Flight 2 does well against them? I am dying to know what it means to "approach it differently."
Tell us, how would they approach it differently? Does the coach tell the kids the game does not matter? Does he tell them to relax and just have a great time? Does he tell them it doesn't matter if a team assigned to Flight 2 does well against them? I am dying to know what it means to "approach it differently."
If you had read before pressing the "post" button, you would've seen that Trans explained that in meaningless SCAHA games some coaches might actually "keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have" instead of coaching to win. For the same reason some coaches might schedule meaningless scrimmages on the same day as meaningless SCAHA games, which seems to have happened here. And amazing as it may seem, some 13-14 year old kids don't put it all on the line for games that don't make a difference in the standings (kinda like NHL players that way).
Kudos to CAHA/SCAHA for giving us half a season of games that don't count -- it must be an ADM thing.
It is a bit discouraging. Seems like a waste of time, actually. If the other teams aren't going to be serious and put forth any real effort, why are we even playing the games? Perhaps it would be better to do it like the guys up north and let teams make their own schedules outside of the CAHA weekends. By doing this the teams could only schedule games with teams that do things the same way. Teams that want to mail it in could play like-minded teams. Those that want a real game can limit their ice time to teams that want to compete.Take it easy Ms. 4808088008800880,
A couple weeks ago our team won a game against a flight 2 team. After the game the parents on the other side made sure we all knew the coach had benched their star player for the first two periods. "Obviously, our team would have won if he had played. It's just a meaningless SCAHA game so the coach decided to teach the kid a lesson," they explained.
The following week the opposing team simply cancelled. My kid had no game. Just a SCAHA game. No big deal.....
Next, it's off to Yorba Linda and we get all this. Team plays a scrimmage right before they play us. Others chime in an discredit our kids' efforts. Just a SCAHA game. Nobody cares. Coach approaches it differently.
That's OK, though. I bought my plane tickets, have my hotel booked in Vacaville and a rental car waiting for me in Sacramento. Our guys will finally play games that count. Of course, they will be against three other SoCal teams, but at least we'll have an excuse-free weekend. I hope
Awesome season. Just loving it. Super duper.
Tell us, how would they approach it differently? Does the coach tell the kids the game does not matter? Does he tell them to relax and just have a great time? Does he tell them it doesn't matter if a team assigned to Flight 2 does well against them? I am dying to know what it means to "approach it differently."
If you had read before pressing the "post" button, you would've seen that Trans explained that in meaningless SCAHA games some coaches might actually "keep rolling lines even on pp/pks to see what they actually have" instead of coaching to win. For the same reason some coaches might schedule meaningless scrimmages on the same day as meaningless SCAHA games, which seems to have happened here. And amazing as it may seem, some 13-14 year old kids don't put it all on the line for games that don't make a difference in the standings (kinda like NHL players that way).
Kudos to CAHA/SCAHA for giving us half a season of games that don't count -- it must be an ADM thing.
It is a SCAHA thing as NorCal doesn't schedule games. However individual clubs will schedule between them to try to stay sharp. This is only in tier divisions.
Strange that when a Flight 1 team blows out a Flight 2 team they are quick to post their victory and exclaim to the world how much better they are than the Flight 2 team, who clearly is so unskilled they do not deserve to play the CaHA designated (for no justifiable reason) superior Flight 1 team. Absolutely no mention of it being a meaningless scaha game. But as soon as a Flight 2 team ties a Flight 1 team then the excuses start flowing like water. Oh it’s a meaningless game; oh our coach was just rolling the lines, oh we had to play a game before and on and on.
Your club is going to have a tough time getting respect because you guys are on butt fuck Egypt, relax and enjoy your one and a half hour rides to each game.
Wow.... such hostility...
I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses.. blah blah blah
Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn) game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie
Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game. Good chance they win flight 2, WW and flyers might have something to say about it. Mariners played well and deserved that tie. But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard.
And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful, it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA
Mariners are a good team well coached.
I would hold off on crowning them Flight two champs just yet.
Wow.... such hostility...
I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses.. blah blah blah
Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn) game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie
Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game. Good chance they win flight 2, WW and flyers might have something to say about it. Mariners played well and deserved that tie. But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard.
And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful, it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA
Come on PKWow.... such hostility...
I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses.. blah blah blah
Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn) game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie
Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game. Good chance they win flight 2, WW and flyers might have something to say about it. Mariners played well and deserved that tie. But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard.
And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful, it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA
Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
Come on PKWow.... such hostility...
I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses.. blah blah blah
Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn) game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie
Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game. Good chance they win flight 2, WW and flyers might have something to say about it. Mariners played well and deserved that tie. But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard.
And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful, it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA
Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
A team can still make it into playdownd as a flight 2.
If a team can't make it out of flight 2, what makes you think they. Would have done well in flight 2 ??
That's where coaching comes into play.Come on PKWow.... such hostility...
I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses.. blah blah blah
Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn) game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie
Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game. Good chance they win flight 2, WW and flyers might have something to say about it. Mariners played well and deserved that tie. But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard.
And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful, it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA
Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
A team can still make it into playdownd as a flight 2.
If a team can't make it out of flight 2, what makes you think they. Would have done well in flight 2 ??
That's not really my point.
My point is I would rather be facing flight one teams in CAHA weekends vs playing a few teams that should be A. Insert names here _____________.
You get better facing stronger teams vs blowing some teams out or having the kids coast cause they can.
That's where coaching comes into play.Come on PKWow.... such hostility...
I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses.. blah blah blah
Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn) game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie
Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game. Good chance they win flight 2, WW and flyers might have something to say about it. Mariners played well and deserved that tie. But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard.
And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful, it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA
Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
A team can still make it into playdownd as a flight 2.
If a team can't make it out of flight 2, what makes you think they. Would have done well in flight 2 ??
That's not really my point.
My point is I would rather be facing flight one teams in CAHA weekends vs playing a few teams that should be A. Insert names here _____________.
You get better facing stronger teams vs blowing some teams out or having the kids coast cause they can.
It is a bit discouraging. Seems like a waste of time, actually. If the other teams aren't going to be serious and put forth any real effort, why are we even playing the games? Perhaps it would be better to do it like the guys up north and let teams make their own schedules outside of the CAHA weekends. By doing this the teams could only schedule games with teams that do things the same way. Teams that want to mail it in could play like-minded teams. Those that want a real game can limit their ice time to teams that want to compete.
A couple weeks ago our team won a game against a flight 2 team. After the game the parents on the other side made sure we all knew the coach had benched their star player for the first two periods. "Obviously, our team would have won if he had played. It's just a meaningless SCAHA game so the coach decided to teach the kid a lesson," they explained.
The following week the opposing team simply cancelled. My kid had no game. Just a SCAHA game. No big deal.....
Next, it's off to Yorba Linda and we get all this. Team plays a scrimmage right before they play us. Others chime in an discredit our kids' efforts. Just a SCAHA game. Nobody cares. Coach approaches it differently.
That's OK, though. I bought my plane tickets, have my hotel booked in Vacaville and a rental car waiting for me in Sacramento. Our guys will finally play games that count. Of course, they will be against three other SoCal teams, but at least we'll have an excuse-free weekend. I hope
Awesome season. Just loving it. Super duper.
Call 'em like I see 'emThat's where coaching comes into play.Come on PKWow.... such hostility...
I thought the tie was sparking a debate about the merits of the flight stystem... instead it's attack OC...and OC is making excuses.. blah blah blah
Let's look at OC1 vs Mariners...(played 4 times since memorial day tourn) game 1 was OC 8, Mariners 2..... game 2 was Mariners 4 , OC 2 (both of those were memorial day tournament).... game 3 was OC 9, Mariners 0 (San Jose)... game 4 was a 4-4 tie
Mariners are good... some good skilled fast forwards and a goalie that can steal a game. Good chance they win flight 2, WW and flyers might have something to say about it. Mariners played well and deserved that tie. But it was a TIE in a meaningless scrimmage... dont thump your chests to hard.
And when other scores are reported on here of the 14-0 and 10-1 type blowouts it's not boastful, it's just reporting scores to people who may want to know since they are rarely reported on SCAHA
Maybe is you spent the time and Money and had a pretty good team that just was dumped to flight 2 before the season started you might be a bit salty too.
A team can still make it into playdownd as a flight 2.
If a team can't make it out of flight 2, what makes you think they. Would have done well in flight 2 ??
That's not really my point.
My point is I would rather be facing flight one teams in CAHA weekends vs playing a few teams that should be A. Insert names here _____________.
You get better facing stronger teams vs blowing some teams out or having the kids coast cause they can.
Are you having a hot cup of Trevor Tea now?
I think what overlooked on the mariners is their D.
Solid
I think what overlooked on the mariners is their D.They are big and play physical, but sometimes to their detriment. Several times I've seen them chasing down a breakaway only to end up creating a dog pile on their own goalie. Their goalie can be a game changer for them but he seems to have a rather short fuse, and once he reaches a point he loses his s--t. When that happens the pucks have an easier time finding the net.
Solid
I think what overlooked on the mariners is their D.They are big and play physical, but sometimes to their detriment. Several times I've seen them chasing down a breakaway only to end up creating a dog pile on their own goalie. Their goalie can be a game changer for them but he seems to have a rather short fuse, and once he reaches a point he loses his s--t. When that happens the pucks have an easier time finding the net.
Solid
so just get the goalie pissed and u win ? wow! seems easy enough.Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea. Fantastic. How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last month).so just get the goalie pissed and u win ? wow! seems easy enough.Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hold off there Sonny,Great idea. Fantastic. How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).so just get the goalie pissed and u win ? wow! seems easy enough.Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great idea. Fantastic. How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last month).so just get the goalie pissed and u win ? wow! seems easy enough.Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
This weeks picks
Mariners vs Saints Saints by 1
Jr Reign Saints Saints by 7
Jr Flyers vs Da Bears DB by 9
Wave 1 vs Jr Ducks 2 Wave 2 by 5
OC1 Lady Ducks OC1 by 6
WW vs JK1 JK1 by 1
Jr Ducks 1 Empire JDs by 1
Bicks vs Mariners Mariners by 5
Good luck everyone !!
Unless one of you is going to a tournament .This weeks picks
Mariners vs Saints Saints by 1
Jr Reign Saints Saints by 7
Jr Flyers vs Da Bears DB by 9
If
Wave 1 vs Jr Ducks 2 Wave 2 by 5
OC1 Lady Ducks OC1 by 6
WW vs JK1 JK1 by 1
Jr Ducks 1 Empire JDs by 1
Bicks vs Mariners Mariners by 5
Good luck everyone !!
Valencia won't lost to Bears no freakin way.
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?Mytime is not that valuable. :-[
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?
Hahaha!! I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids. Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.Hold off there Sonny,Great idea. Fantastic. How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).so just get the goalie pissed and u win ? wow! seems easy enough.Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua. The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Nope, we're all just a bunch of dumbassessessesses...Hahaha!! I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids. Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.Hold off there Sonny,Great idea. Fantastic. How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).so just get the goalie pissed and u win ? wow! seems easy enough.Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua. The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Some more than othersNope, we're all just a bunch of dumbassessessesses...Hahaha!! I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids. Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.Hold off there Sonny,Great idea. Fantastic. How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).so just get the goalie pissed and u win ? wow! seems easy enough.Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua. The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Fellow Dumbasses: My point was that you might strike it rich if you, intentionally or otherwise, start pressing buttons (targeting short-fused players to lose their s*** is nothing new). Or it might blow up in your face with something unforeseen, like an ineligible player. That game was a clusterf***. No winners, only losers. Making us all DA's. But I must give the goon team some credit - they do have some talent and if they just played the game they could be as good as several of the Flight 2 teams.Some more than othersNope, we're all just a bunch of dumbassessessesses...Hahaha!! I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids. Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.Hold off there Sonny,Great idea. Fantastic. How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).so just get the goalie pissed and u win ? wow! seems easy enough.Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua. The other EATS Chihuahuas.
......keep telling my wife that....shes mot buying.Fellow Dumbasses: My point was that you might strike it rich if you, intentionally or otherwise, start pressing buttons (targeting short-fused players to lose their s*** is nothing new). Or it might blow up in your face with something unforeseen, like an ineligible player. That game was a clusterf***. No winners, only losers. Making us all DA's. But I must give the goon team some credit - they do have some talent and if they just played the game they could be as good as several of the Flight 2 teams.Some more than othersNope, we're all just a bunch of dumbassessessesses...Hahaha!! I don't know about the dog references, but yes they are two different kids. Every goalie reacts differently when you get in their head, don't assume when they lose their minds they automatically start throwing blows.Hold off there Sonny,Great idea. Fantastic. How quickly you dumbasses forget what happens when you piss off the goalie (Ducks 1/Wave 1 game in Valencia last moohnth).so just get the goalie pissed and u win ? wow! seems easy enough.Well, it doesn't hurt... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Before you travel through the toll booth, remember, one bites like a Chihuahua. The other EATS Chihuahuas.
Sidebar: The only one of us with half a brain is trans, who figured out the Godfather reference. Bonus prize forthcoming.
THIS WEEK' CAHA WEEKEND PICKS
JD2. VS. WW. WW BY 4
OC2. VS. JR FLYERS. JF BY 2
SAINTS. VS. JK2. SAINTS BY 5
MARINERS. VS. OC2. OC2 BY 1 (UPSET OF THE WEEKEND)
WW. VS. JK2. WW BY 3
JR FLYERS. VS. JR REIGN. JF BY 5
SAINTS. VS. JD2. SAINTS BY 7
JK2. VS. JR REIGN. BENNY'S EITH 1ST WIN
OC2. VS. JD2. OC2 BY 3
JR FLYERS. VS. SAINTS. SAINTS BY 1
WW. VS. MARINERS. WW BY 2
JD2. VS. JR REIGN. JR BY 2
JR FLYERS. VS. WW. GAME FOR 1ST PLACE
OC2. VS. JK2. OC2 BY 2
Now
Don't come at me saying I'm full of shit. I know I am, hear it every day.
GOOD LUCK EVERYONE !!
A you're full of Shit! ;D No way Mariners lose to OC.Unless they roster an ineligible player... :o ;D ;D ;D
tranny needs to get his head out of his ass...so full of shit!
Bring sharp skates! And don't forget to Boycott the skate and snack shops in Vacaville. Send them da message.
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?Mytime is not that valuable. :-[
Why bother to make picks on meaningless games that no one cares about, no one tries and coaches are just using to see what they have? Why waste your precious time coming up with picks for meaningless games that no one plays to win?Mytime is not that valuable. :-[
Tranny is an honest man
Caught a few games so far this weekend. Bears as sharp as ever and buried OC in the third it seems that's when they really come alive. They are fast smart and they are playing like a cohesive team (not surprised). It's aparent that OC is not the same team from San Jose jamboree and that's becoming more aparent with every caha and "it doesn't matter scaha game". They seem to have very little coaching and adopt a dump and chase ideology and depend on a few boys which isn't working. I'm surprised that empire hasn't put up a w yet this weekend but they are middle of the pack--I still think they could come alive as the season goes on. They have size and seem to have some game sense and coaching. GSE 2 looks big fast and smart with strong coaching behind their bench. Enjoying lovely Vacaville for one more dayEvery one of your post is bashing OC1 🤣
Caught a few games so far this weekend. Bears as sharp as ever and buried OC in the third it seems that's when they really come alive. They are fast smart and they are playing like a cohesive team (not surprised). It's aparent that OC is not the same team from San Jose jamboree and that's becoming more aparent with every caha and "it doesn't matter scaha game". They seem to have very little coaching and adopt a dump and chase ideology and depend on a few boys which isn't working. I'm surprised that empire hasn't put up a w yet this weekend but they are middle of the pack--I still think they could come alive as the season goes on. They have size and seem to have some game sense and coaching. GSE 2 looks big fast and smart with strong coaching behind their bench. Enjoying lovely Vacaville for one more dayEvery one of your post is bashing OC1 🤣
Yes they’re struggling... yes the bears and gse2 are dominant teams. The rest of the top flight is a coin flip. Each team plays twice. Lots of hockey to play.
It is a bit discouraging. Seems like a waste of time, actually. If the other teams aren't going to be serious and put forth any real effort, why are we even playing the games? Perhaps it would be better to do it like the guys up north and let teams make their own schedules outside of the CAHA weekends. By doing this the teams could only schedule games with teams that do things the same way. Teams that want to mail it in could play like-minded teams. Those that want a real game can limit their ice time to teams that want to compete.I guess over the week end you realized that when games matter, outcome sometimes turn out a little different.
A couple weeks ago our team won a game against a flight 2 team. After the game the parents on the other side made sure we all knew the coach had benched their star player for the first two periods. "Obviously, our team would have won if he had played. It's just a meaningless SCAHA game so the coach decided to teach the kid a lesson," they explained.
The following week the opposing team simply cancelled. My kid had no game. Just a SCAHA game. No big deal.....
Next, it's off to Yorba Linda and we get all this. Team plays a scrimmage right before they play us. Others chime in an discredit our kids' efforts. Just a SCAHA game. Nobody cares. Coach approaches it differently.
That's OK, though. I bought my plane tickets, have my hotel booked in Vacaville and a rental car waiting for me in Sacramento. Our guys will finally play games that count. Of course, they will be against three other SoCal teams, but at least we'll have an excuse-free weekend. I hope
Awesome season. Just loving it. Super duper.
Thanks for clarifying.Caught a few games so far this weekend. Bears as sharp as ever and buried OC in the third it seems that's when they really come alive. They are fast smart and they are playing like a cohesive team (not surprised). It's aparent that OC is not the same team from San Jose jamboree and that's becoming more aparent with every caha and "it doesn't matter scaha game". They seem to have very little coaching and adopt a dump and chase ideology and depend on a few boys which isn't working. I'm surprised that empire hasn't put up a w yet this weekend but they are middle of the pack--I still think they could come alive as the season goes on. They have size and seem to have some game sense and coaching. GSE 2 looks big fast and smart with strong coaching behind their bench. Enjoying lovely Vacaville for one more dayEvery one of your post is bashing OC1 🤣
Yes they’re struggling... yes the bears and gse2 are dominant teams. The rest of the top flight is a coin flip. Each team plays twice. Lots of hockey to play.
Orangecone I just think you guys have talent that is aparent, you have a big bench, and pretty big kids. I would like to see you guys put up a fight-- not bashing just observing. OC had a great showing In San Jose if you don't mind me asking from an insiders perspecive what's going on? Would love to watch you guys come back second half of this season and put up some wins.
Does anyone know what happened between JK2 and Jr. Reign yesterday? It was originally posted as a 3-3 tie, now it says 1-0 win for JK2.Benny's played with a suspended player resulting in a forfeit
THEY WENT 1-1-1
The game vs WW was really not that close. WW contained #88 pretty much all game. REALLY good player. Even though he was hounded by WW the whole game, kid kept his composure and continued to play hard. One of the top players WW has faced, and seems to be a great kid. It' refreshing to see. Mariners #14 did all he coukd to keep game within reach. Also really good player.THEY WENT 1-1-1
Who did they play?
What’s the consensus from this past weekends games? Anyone?
What’s the consensus from this past weekends games? Anyone?
In other news...what the hell is up with the ice in Vacaville? One of the coldest barns in California, rivaling KHS rink B, yet some of the softest ice I've seen. Anybody else get tired of all the "net's off" BS that went on all weekend? Maybe they ought to redirect the cold air turning spectators into human popsicles onto the other side of the glass.
What’s the consensus from this past weekends games? Anyone?
Didn't watch every single Flight 2 game, but did catch a few...
OCHC2 - Typical of Bickley's teams, catching on and improving in the middle of the season and when they're on, very capable of upsetting just about anyone in Flight 2...
Ducks2 - Needs scoring help. A few big bodies on D and their bigger goalie can really give teams trouble.
Kings2 - Needs scoring help. Have lots of skaters and will make your team skate. Goalie is solid but often time gets overwhelmed by D allowing too many shots.
Saints - Continues to play their solid game. Well coached, very balanced from top to bottom, very little drop off in talent. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.
Mariners - Takes the right players, right game plan and kids buying into the game plan to beat them. Have 2 of the more talented kids in BantamAA but having only 1 goalie may be a problem down the line. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.
Wave2 - Not firing on all cylinders yet but had a pretty good weekend. When they're on, capable of beating anyone in Flight 2 and perhaps a team or two in Flight 1. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.
Flyers - Out of all Flight 2 teams, I have seen Flyers the least so not too much I can say about them, except they have a few big kids, one very very big kid, and perhaps a bit inconsistent as evidence by all their ties. Will challenge for Flight 2 supremacy.
Reign - Have 1 or 2 solid Bantam AA players, but not a Bantam AA team. Would've been a great Bantam A team.
Just want to give props to #88 on the Mariners. Kid sent me a message on Instagram giving our team props for locking him down... Mad respect kid. To the parents of #88, you guys have raised a fine young man. We look forward to the next time we meet. #itsonlikedonkeykong
It is really refreshing to see positive comments about players, rather than the venom some people like to put out there.
It is really refreshing to see positive comments about players, rather than the venom some people like to put out there.
Here we go...
From Rubner Mag...
About six years ago, as a first-time hockey parent of a Mite house player, I recall asking a couple of the veteran travel parents if they had any recommendations for information about different hockey clubs and the tryout process.
One parent was vocal about the wealth of resources you could find on the hockey message boards. The other parent was equally as vocal and stated in no uncertain terms that I should avoid those sites like the gaps in the mats at hockey rinks. I found myself fascinated by these differing opinions and began to scour the internet to learn more about hockey message boards.
These message boards are mostly populated by “adults†who have little or no understanding of the impact of their conversations on their children. These boards contain page after page of adults disparaging children and their performance in hockey. Visit the first-year Mite message board and clearly see the most upsetting comments imaginable regarding the athletic prowess of a child who probably learned to ride a bike less than two years before. I cannot even begin to describe the level of hate often expressed toward certain coaches whom parents will openly accuse of things that range from tax evasion to bribery.
Yet to their face, they say nothing.
Behind the guise of anonymity, parents attack other parents, clubs and governing bodies and it’s not uncommon for these adults to spend time arguing over the over/under scores of children’s hockey games every weekend. Further, parents will actively refer in vague terms to players or families whom they feel are not worthy to play with their children or whom they feel will never perform at the level that they (referring to the collective message board community) believe they should reach.
This was most beautifully illustrated by the torrent of messages regarding the California Amateur Hockey Association board decision to implement an evaluation protocol to help determine placement of teams for safety purposes. If one agrees or disagrees with the implementation of this policy is an individual’s choice, but the message boards erupted with such vitriol and angst equal to hot lava being poured upon the Stanley Cup.
Furthermore, almost every individual on the board went to great lengths to discuss the appropriateness of ranking one team or another in a division and the heresy of certain teams being included or not included.
It is crystal clear that the manner in which these adults are sharing their thoughts DOES impact the manner in which their children integrate the game and their attitude toward other players and clubs. Hockey as a sport is clearly one that brings people together and provides children with a long term, incredibly healthy after-school activity, which promotes friendship, discipline, and positive habits. What can easily erode the positive impact of hockey, however, is the negative filters and unresolved maladaptive manipulations of the parent, which is seen most clearly in the messages posted upon these boards.
Some parents have asked for my suggestions regarding the messages posted on the boards (because regardless of disclaimers, the children ARE reading these boards and hearing other adults speak negatively about them). What I tell them is to inform their players and children that there will always be people who are negative and there will always be people who search for an anonymous forum to display their unresolved mental health issues. And, most importantly, to consider what it felt like to hear or read something negative about their club or team and hold that memory for the next time they consider making a rude or inappropriate comment on social media. It might be too late to help the “adults†on these message boards integrate a different mindset, but there is a chance for the players of today to become the responsible and positive hockey parents of tomorrow.
Trevor Small, Psy.D., is a clinical psychologist who is the Safe Sport coordinator for the Los Angeles Jr. Kings, the clinical director of Bridges to Recovery, and is in private practice in Santa Monica. He has provided mental health services to adolescents and adults for almost 30 years.
Gotta agree with Trans, that article does not even begin to cover all of the different subjects discussed here, but rather focuses solely on the negative aspects. The fact that it was written by a large club representative is certainly no surprise. I guess the site needs to have more visual disclaimers, much like a pack of cigarettes stating they may cause cancer, in an effort to protect people's feelings.
LMFAO!!! ;D ;D ;DGotta agree with Trans, that article does not even begin to cover all of the different subjects discussed here, but rather focuses solely on the negative aspects. The fact that it was written by a large club representative is certainly no surprise. I guess the site needs to have more visual disclaimers, much like a pack of cigarettes stating they may cause cancer, in an effort to protect people's feelings.
Not to mention the Guy who wrote this has a kid on a A team that is playing in AA.
It is really refreshing to see positive comments about players, rather than the venom some people like to put out there.
Here we go...
From Rubber Mag...
About six years ago, as a first-time hockey parent of a Mite house player, I recall asking a couple of the veteran travel parents if they had any recommendations for information about different hockey clubs and the tryout process.
One parent was vocal about the wealth of resources you could find on the hockey message boards. The other parent was equally as vocal and stated in no uncertain terms that I should avoid those sites like the gaps in the mats at hockey rinks. I found myself fascinated by these differing opinions and began to scour the internet to learn more about hockey message boards.
These message boards are mostly populated by “adults†who have little or no understanding of the impact of their conversations on their children. These boards contain page after page of adults disparaging children and their performance in hockey. Visit the first-year Mite message board and clearly see the most upsetting comments imaginable regarding the athletic prowess of a child who probably learned to ride a bike less than two years before. I cannot even begin to describe the level of hate often expressed toward certain coaches whom parents will openly accuse of things that range from tax evasion to bribery.
Yet to their face, they say nothing.
Behind the guise of anonymity, parents attack other parents, clubs and governing bodies and it’s not uncommon for these adults to spend time arguing over the over/under scores of children’s hockey games every weekend. Further, parents will actively refer in vague terms to players or families whom they feel are not worthy to play with their children or whom they feel will never perform at the level that they (referring to the collective message board community) believe they should reach.
This was most beautifully illustrated by the torrent of messages regarding the California Amateur Hockey Association board decision to implement an evaluation protocol to help determine placement of teams for safety purposes. If one agrees or disagrees with the implementation of this policy is an individual’s choice, but the message boards erupted with such vitriol and angst equal to hot lava being poured upon the Stanley Cup.
Furthermore, almost every individual on the board went to great lengths to discuss the appropriateness of ranking one team or another in a division and the heresy of certain teams being included or not included.
It is crystal clear that the manner in which these adults are sharing their thoughts DOES impact the manner in which their children integrate the game and their attitude toward other players and clubs. Hockey as a sport is clearly one that brings people together and provides children with a long term, incredibly healthy after-school activity, which promotes friendship, discipline, and positive habits. What can easily erode the positive impact of hockey, however, is the negative filters and unresolved maladaptive manipulations of the parent, which is seen most clearly in the messages posted upon these boards.
Some parents have asked for my suggestions regarding the messages posted on the boards (because regardless of disclaimers, the children ARE reading these boards and hearing other adults speak negatively about them). What I tell them is to inform their players and children that there will always be people who are negative and there will always be people who search for an anonymous forum to display their unresolved mental health issues. And, most importantly, to consider what it felt like to hear or read something negative about their club or team and hold that memory for the next time they consider making a rude or inappropriate comment on social media. It might be too late to help the “adults†on these message boards integrate a different mindset, but there is a chance for the players of today to become the responsible and positive hockey parents of tomorrow.
Trevor Small, Psy.D., is a clinical psychologist who is the Safe Sport coordinator for the Los Angeles Jr. Kings, the clinical director of Bridges to Recovery, and is in private practice in Santa Monica. He has provided mental health services to adolescents and adults for almost 30 years.
Remeber no one likes excuses...right Miss My 48080? so how were your games this weekend?
Remeber no one likes excuses...right Miss My 48080? so how were your games this weekend?
Seems like the Mariners are the only ones that don't make excuses.
Remeber no one likes excuses...right Miss My 48080? so how were your games this weekend?
Seems like the Mariners are the only ones that don't make excuses.
Speaking of that. OC1 went 0-4 what happened?
Sounds awfully threatening.
Sounds awfully threatening.
Yes, we need to set up a safe space. ;D
Sounds awfully threatening.
Yes, we need to set up a safe space. ;D
LMAO
Interesting pool set up at Tinseltown, OC will play Wave1 and Kings2, followed by someone in the other pool which could be Wave2, Kings1, or Ducks1. Got a favorable match up in the pool they're in, and will likely play Wave2 in their 3rd game. Solid chance to go 3-0 in pool play but it won't tell us anything about whether or not they've "righted their ship" as they will probably play two flight 2 teams and a questionable flight 1 team. Will be fun to see how the game against Wave1 goes.Sounds awfully threatening.
Yes, we need to set up a safe space. ;D
LMAO
There was nothing threatening about my comment. I was simply using confidence to say that I expect OC1 to perform better in Riverside than they did in Vacaville. Saying, "We'll see some of you at the tournament in LA" is simply a statement of fact that OC1 is playing against Wave1, Wave2, JK1, JK2, and JD at the Tinseltown Tournament at TSC. It's not healthy to read into things. Just my $0.02...
Interesting pool set up at Tinseltown, OC will play Wave1 and Kings2, followed by someone in the other pool which could be Wave2, Kings1, or Ducks1. Got a favorable match up in the pool they're in, and will likely play Wave2 in their 3rd game. Solid chance to go 3-0 in pool play but it won't tell us anything about whether or not they've "righted their ship" as they will probably play two flight 2 teams and a questionable flight 1 team. Will be fun to see how the game against Wave1 goes.Sounds awfully threatening.
Yes, we need to set up a safe space. ;D
LMAO
There was nothing threatening about my comment. I was simply using confidence to say that I expect OC1 to perform better in Riverside than they did in Vacaville. Saying, "We'll see some of you at the tournament in LA" is simply a statement of fact that OC1 is playing against Wave1, Wave2, JK1, JK2, and JD at the Tinseltown Tournament at TSC. It's not healthy to read into things. Just my $0.02...
Word on the steeet OC1 is struggling with some Gretzky wanna be egos and the team is not cohesive---not talking trash just heard it at the rink while my kid was skating. They also have some unnecessary injuries that occurred at practice. They have great players I will say that over and over. The match up against the wave will be an oppurtunity to "right the ship" hopefully and they can bring a new game to Riverside. They looked like they could have given the bears a challenge at the Jamboree and there is nothing more I would like to see then OC1 rising up and making the bears work
Probably one of the goalies i bet ;) ;)
I have no idea where the rumor of "Gretzky egos" came from but I can't think of who it could be.
This weeks picks that don't mean shit.....
Bennys vs OC1 OC1 by shit load (BNNMCA ?? 35% to you if you collect my $$)
BTW, Congrats to the Jr. Reign 14U AAs... for winning the San Diego Bantam A tournament... seriously? ??? ??? What's even funnier is that they didn't even go through undefeated.
BTW, Congrats to the Jr. Reign 14U AAs... for winning the San Diego Bantam A tournament... seriously? ??? ??? What's even funnier is that they didn't even go through undefeated.Amazing what happens when you play where you should.
BTW, Congrats to the Jr. Reign 14U AAs... for winning the San Diego Bantam A tournament... seriously? ??? ??? What's even funnier is that they didn't even go through undefeated.Amazing what happens when you play where you should.
How did everyone's weekend go, any surprises, failures or upsets?
How did everyone's weekend go, any surprises, failures or upsets?
What place do you need to be in to make playdowns?Top 7 from flight1 and top team from flight 2.
I thought #8 from flight 1 would play #1 from flight 2 for the last spot in playdowns.What place do you need to be in to make playdowns?Top 7 from flight1 and top team from flight 2.
What place do you need to be in to make playdowns?Top 7 from flight1 and top team from flight 2.
The top 7 teams in Flight 1 go to the playdowns and the #8 team plays one game against the top Flight 2 team for the last spot.In hindsight, this is brilliant for the top four flight 2 teams - they are going to fight their asses off for a chance to make it into the Flight 1 playdowns.
The top 7 teams in Flight 1 go to the playdowns and the #8 team plays one game against the top Flight 2 team for the last spot.In hindsight, this is brilliant for the top four flight 2 teams - they are going to fight their asses off for a chance to make it into the Flight 1 playdowns.
Can't remember a team having a more complete meltdown than OC1. It's really disheartening. There are a lot of good, loyal families suffering through an abysmal season. I don't know if there's enough alcohol and good times to see you through this one. Really thought they'd be a top 5 team this year.
Does anyone on here know which Jr Ducks team is coming to Colorado for the U14 AA 8Presidents Day tournament?
Does anyone on here know which Jr Ducks team is coming to Colorado for the U14 AA 8Presidents Day tournament?
I'm 99% it's the Jr Ducks AA Minor team.
Does anyone on here know which Jr Ducks team is coming to Colorado for the U14 AA 8Presidents Day tournament?
I'm 99% it's the Jr Ducks AA Minor team.
Thanks!
I will hit up Trans for a scouting report
Does anyone on here know which Jr Ducks team is coming to Colorado for the U14 AA 8Presidents Day tournament?
I'm 99% it's the Jr Ducks AA Minor team.
Thanks!
I will hit up Trans for a scouting report
A scouting report on the Jr Ducks AA 04 team? Trust me, you don't need one... ;-)
Jr. Kings 1. They are doing better than most expected them to. They have three good players and their assisstant coach tries to pay man on man coverage. They try to stiffle u in neutral zone and their forwads r usually high in the d zone making it harder for points in offensive zone to become threat. Due to forwads being highbthwy do get more breakaways. A lefy forward, who has mostly played d before, a righty d, who has played forward all his life, and an nhl player son who plays forward r the players to watch. A beatable team if u play your game. Good luck @one hockey tournament at schwann rinks where u pay $8 per day spectator fee just to watch your kid play youth hockey.
A few WW players and their families got stuck in Copenhagen. Connecting flight was cancelled to L.A. Both goalies, Fwd and A D-man and coach are out for tomorrows game vs Valencia.
Is there a new blog that everybody went to? Calhockey is crickets lately.As far as I could tell it's like this...
Let's stir it up hopefully and talk prematurely and pointlessly about playdowns.
Question #1: Flight 1: 5 teams are still mathematically eligible for the #6/7/8 spots at this point, though Wave1 and OC1 would have to run the table and GSE1 would have to lose all remaining. With that said, assume Wave1 and OC1 don't make top 8, leaving either GSE1, Blackhawks or Sharks in #8 spot. Stay with me here. This means winner of Flight 2 plays the tie breaker somewhere in NorCal, yes?
Question #2: Flight 2 - who wins? Three in the running: Saints, Wave 2 and Mariners. Wave2 so hot and cold, I count them out right now. Could come down to one game - Mariners/Saints Feb 4. I pick Saints 3-1, Saints go to NorCal for tiebreaker (?).
Short handed Flyers 4 Tired saints 0
Bears 5, Empire 3.
#13 - 145 points in 53 games. Oh my. I think he needs to play up a level for proper challenge. Those are video game numbers.Play up to where.. AAAA? LOL! They are already playing all of the AAA teams in Cali... They play top AAA teams back east already. He's just a stud!
#13 - 145 points in 53 games. Oh my. I think he needs to play up a level for proper challenge. Those are video game numbers.Play up to where.. AAAA? LOL! They are already playing all of the AAA teams in Cali... They play top AAA teams back east already. He's just a stud!
He was noticeably absent from the CAHA Select Camp... he would have been great to see there!And that brings up a seperate point... If I remember correctly, the Select tryouts were during the SSAT (or whatever they call it) and a lot of kids missed it. I think I heard if kids miss one game of the tryouts, they were not eligible to make the team?
Several of the Bears players took that test on that weekend. A few of them drove all the way to Lakewood to check in and get their jerseys, but missed their first game for the test. They were not evaluated during their 2nd games, and were not even allowed to skate in their 3rd. Rules are rules, but damn...He was noticeably absent from the CAHA Select Camp... he would have been great to see there!And that brings up a seperate point... If I remember correctly, the Select tryouts were during the SSAT (or whatever they call it) and a lot of kids missed it. I think I heard if kids miss one game of the tryouts, they were not eligible to make the team?
Several of the Bears players took that test on that weekend. A few of them drove all the way to Lakewood to check in and get their jerseys, but missed their first game for the test. They were not evaluated during their 2nd games, and were not even allowed to skate in their 3rd. Rules are rules, but damn...He was noticeably absent from the CAHA Select Camp... he would have been great to see there!And that brings up a seperate point... If I remember correctly, the Select tryouts were during the SSAT (or whatever they call it) and a lot of kids missed it. I think I heard if kids miss one game of the tryouts, they were not eligible to make the team?
There were kids who did not attend the CAHA select tryouts in Lakewood and made the cut.I believe there is a waiver process in place. Either that or it's all politics ;D ;D :o
There is a waiver process for injured players only.Soooooo....was it last year when the 03 Kings were out of town for the SCAHA camp? Were they all injured??? Memory's a bit foggy here but I thought several of those players got an automatic bid to the CAHA camp?
There were 7 evaluators.
4 were from SoCal, 3 from NorCal
Kids were ranked from top to bottom and then waterlined based on allocations dictated by USA Hockey for the state
AA and A kids were selected over some AAA players independent of geographical location
Pretty impartial process based on the process and results
The rest is fake news or emotion
At the 04 level I believe 5 forwards and 1 defenseman, not including alternates.
There is a waiver process for injured players only.
There were 7 evaluators.
4 were from SoCal, 3 from NorCal
Kids were ranked from top to bottom and then waterlined based on allocations dictated by USA Hockey for the state
AA and A kids were selected over some AAA players independent of geographical location
Pretty impartial process based on the process and results
The rest is fake news or emotion
#1 will play #8 or whomever wins the playoff between the number 1 flight 2 team and the number 8 flight 1 team.So San Diego Vs San Jose how much you want bet the game Will not be played Somewhere 1/2 way.
#1 will play #8 or whomever wins the playoff between the number 1 flight 2 team and the number 8 flight 1 team.So San Diego Vs San Jose how much you want bet the game Will not be played Somewhere 1/2 way.
surprised the play-in games aren't in vacaville also...
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.I guess this situation is worse by having two teams literally at each end of the state
the Tier 1 should need to go to the Tier 2 team, they are the "better team" they will more than likely win, why should the weaker team need to travel to a game that will be harder for them. ;) ;)
Saints by 2the Tier 1 should need to go to the Tier 2 team, they are the "better team" they will more than likely win, why should the weaker team need to travel to a game that will be harder for them. ;) ;)
Hardly the better team.
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.
A CAHA rep told me they are going to "improve things" next year :o
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.
They should of taken the top 7 teams in flight one and given them a pass to the playdowns. Then you take the top 4 Flight two teams all BTW can beat a flight one team. Take those top 4 into a playoff with one team coming out as your 8th seed. A wildcard round for lack of a name. You would get more money more excitement for the clubs. You could also take the 8th and 9th team in flight one into the wildcard round giving 6 teams a fight for a spot.
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.
They should of taken the top 7 teams in flight one and given them a pass to the playdowns. Then you take the top 4 Flight two teams all BTW can beat a flight one team. Take those top 4 into a playoff with one team coming out as your 8th seed. A wildcard round for lack of a name. You would get more money more excitement for the clubs. You could also take the 8th and 9th team in flight one into the wildcard round giving 6 teams a fight for a spot.
I almost hate to give helpful suggestions to "improve" something I don't think makes any sense in the first place, but I was thinking along those same lines.
What would be a lot more interesting I thought would be:
-Flight1 top 6 get placed in Playdowns
-Have a Flight2 tournament with all the Flight1 7+ teams and the rest of the 8 spots filled by the Flight2 teams. To avoid inherent bias I would interleave the seedings:
Flight1 #7 - Seed 1
Flight2 #1 - Seed 2
Flight1 #8 - Seed 3
Flight2 #2 - Seed 4
etc as needed
Take the finalists and seed em into playdowns as #7 & #8.
This would actually make this interesting for more teams, and a lot less wonky and more forgiving of the scenarios where teams progress and become strong contenders as the seasons goes on, while also giving more Flight2 teams as well as the borderline/bottom flight1 teams a reason to care.
Why would the Bears want to do that, when they can play a lot more teams in AA, and travel and play in AAA tournaments whenever they want. What would the benefit for them to be restricted to just playing 3 other teams?
I would argue because playing 9 competitive AAA league games is far more valuable than boat racing the entire AA division over 18 non competitive games. 129 GF and 27 GA is a joke. There isn’t a team in AA that can come close to these guys. I understand OC beat them up in Vancouver but obviously thst was an anomaly. I also understand they had some close games this weekend but their best player didn’t even play. I talked to someone who saw the GSE game and it wasn’t really competitive in their opinion. . GSE must have had 10+ icing calls simply trying to fend the Bears off. They also dump the puck every possession with next to zero sustained pressure. The tactic worked keeping the game close until they got a breakaway goal to keep it really tight.
The Bears could have had great games against the Kings. They played the Ducks early and beat them they played the Sharks and lost one and tied one and smoked the Gulls who should have played AA.
In the end you have to play teams at your level to be challenged and to stimulate development.
Because this whole system is set up to curb the placement of A teams in AA. Why should the flight I Team have to travel for this game, especially when they already beat out two other flight I teams for 8th place? There’s no way to do this and make everybody happy.
They should of taken the top 7 teams in flight one and given them a pass to the playdowns. Then you take the top 4 Flight two teams all BTW can beat a flight one team. Take those top 4 into a playoff with one team coming out as your 8th seed. A wildcard round for lack of a name. You would get more money more excitement for the clubs. You could also take the 8th and 9th team in flight one into the wildcard round giving 6 teams a fight for a spot.
I almost hate to give helpful suggestions to "improve" something I don't think makes any sense in the first place, but I was thinking along those same lines.
What would be a lot more interesting I thought would be:
-Flight1 top 6 get placed in Playdowns
-Have a Flight2 tournament with all the Flight1 7+ teams and the rest of the 8 spots filled by the Flight2 teams. To avoid inherent bias I would interleave the seedings:
Flight1 #7 - Seed 1
Flight2 #1 - Seed 2
Flight1 #8 - Seed 3
Flight2 #2 - Seed 4
etc as needed
Take the finalists and seed em into playdowns as #7 & #8.
This would actually make this interesting for more teams, and a lot less wonky and more forgiving of the scenarios where teams progress and become strong contenders as the seasons goes on, while also giving more Flight2 teams as well as the borderline/bottom flight1 teams a reason to care.
That's good too.
Keeps more teams in the mix and makes the system better. Then again CAHA doesn't care about making things better.
But they play all of these AAA teams... they actually play a legit AAA schedule (21 AAA games to be exact) and they get the games for free (local games) most of the time I believe. That sounds like a great plan to me, why chase the extra A if in this case it doesn't mean anything. More people should probably get on board with this logic and maybe things would change? Can you imagine AAA kids playing for AA teams? What would the big clubs do?? LOL!Why would the Bears want to do that, when they can play a lot more teams in AA, and travel and play in AAA tournaments whenever they want. What would the benefit for them to be restricted to just playing 3 other teams?
I would argue because playing 9 competitive AAA league games is far more valuable than boat racing the entire AA division over 18 non competitive games. 129 GF and 27 GA is a joke. There isn’t a team in AA that can come close to these guys. I understand OC beat them up in Vancouver but obviously thst was an anomaly. I also understand they had some close games this weekend but their best player didn’t even play. I talked to someone who saw the GSE game and it wasn’t really competitive in their opinion. . GSE must have had 10+ icing calls simply trying to fend the Bears off. They also dump the puck every possession with next to zero sustained pressure. The tactic worked keeping the game close until they got a breakaway goal to keep it really tight.
The Bears could have had great games against the Kings. They played the Ducks early and beat them they played the Sharks and lost one and tied one and smoked the Gulls who should have played AA.
In the end you have to play teams at your level to be challenged and to stimulate development.
Empire has come "close" every time they've met. Just sayin...Why would the Bears want to do that, when they can play a lot more teams in AA, and travel and play in AAA tournaments whenever they want. What would the benefit for them to be restricted to just playing 3 other teams?
I would argue because playing 9 competitive AAA league games is far more valuable than boat racing the entire AA division over 18 non competitive games. 129 GF and 27 GA is a joke. There isn’t a team in AA that can come close to these guys. I understand OC beat them up in Vancouver but obviously thst was an anomaly. I also understand they had some close games this weekend but their best player didn’t even play. I talked to someone who saw the GSE game and it wasn’t really competitive in their opinion. . GSE must have had 10+ icing calls simply trying to fend the Bears off. They also dump the puck every possession with next to zero sustained pressure. The tactic worked keeping the game close until they got a breakaway goal to keep it really tight.
The Bears could have had great games against the Kings. They played the Ducks early and beat them they played the Sharks and lost one and tied one and smoked the Gulls who should have played AA.
In the end you have to play teams at your level to be challenged and to stimulate development.
Empire has come "close" every time they've met. Just sayin...Why would the Bears want to do that, when they can play a lot more teams in AA, and travel and play in AAA tournaments whenever they want. What would the benefit for them to be restricted to just playing 3 other teams?
I would argue because playing 9 competitive AAA league games is far more valuable than boat racing the entire AA division over 18 non competitive games. 129 GF and 27 GA is a joke. There isn’t a team in AA that can come close to these guys. I understand OC beat them up in Vancouver but obviously thst was an anomaly. I also understand they had some close games this weekend but their best player didn’t even play. I talked to someone who saw the GSE game and it wasn’t really competitive in their opinion. . GSE must have had 10+ icing calls simply trying to fend the Bears off. They also dump the puck every possession with next to zero sustained pressure. The tactic worked keeping the game close until they got a breakaway goal to keep it really tight.
The Bears could have had great games against the Kings. They played the Ducks early and beat them they played the Sharks and lost one and tied one and smoked the Gulls who should have played AA.
In the end you have to play teams at your level to be challenged and to stimulate development.
The SCAHA parents crack me up! Now you are bitchin cause the tier 2 1st place teams have to go to the bay area to play your play-in games against the 8th place tier 1 team. It's been scheduled that way since the Tier Rules came out on June 17th. See #12
Also, you bitch because you have to go to Vacaville for a CAHA weekend when all the tier 2 teams are from SCAHA. So you are saying it’s not fair the CAHA weekend location didn’t get changed to Socal because only SCAHA teams ended up in the lower tier?
Last season CAHA changed the schedule because SCAHA teams didn’t want to travel up North to play SCAHA teams during CAHA weekends & wanted to play those games in Socal during non CAHA weekends. Then SCAHA teams started bitchin cause their CAHA games against SCAHA teams interfered with their SCAHA league schedule. Since it didn’t work out for you, the CAHA schedule gets changed back the way it was.
You make CAHA sound like the bad guy when they set things up before hand and even try to help Socal, but just because it doesn’t end in your Socal’s favor, you bitch.
Flame away. This should keep the board busy for a while.
On June 17, 2017, the CAHA Board of Directors adopted the following CAHA Tier II Flight System Administration Guidelines
1) All Tier II teams will be required to participate in Preseason Evaluation Jamboree; failure to attend will result in disqualification from all Tier II participation.
2) In order to ‘Flight’ a division there must be a minimum of 12 teams (6 teams per flight minimum).
3) Flight 1 will have a maximum of 10 teams.
4) CAHA may schedule multiple rounds of games within the CAHA weekends to assure each team gets 12 – 18 games.
5) If after preseason jamboree evaluation the Evaluation Committee determines a particular division cannot be equitably split into two divisions that division will play as a whole without being split into two flights.
6) Evaluation Jamboree format will be 1â€hour mini game slots, with a 3 minute warmup, (2) 25 minute runtime periods, and a 1 minute intermission between periods.
7) Teams will play minimum of four (4) games (any team may be asked to play a 5th game at the jamboree at the request of the evaluation committee).
8 ) The two weeks following the Preseason Evaluation Jamboree, teams are subject to being required to play further evaluation “prove me†game(s) within their respective leagues (SCAHA/NORCAL) if requested by the Evaluation Committee.
9) CAHA will ensure no less than three (3) evaluators are assessing each age division (if possible, evaluators will not review multiple age divisions).
10) Tier II Playdowns will still be an 8 team playdown.
11) Flight 1/Flight 2 Playdown Scenarios: a. Flight 1 has 6 teams; #1 and #2 seed from Flight 2 advance to playdowns.
b. Flight 1 has 7 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 advances to playdowns.
c. Flight 1 has 8 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
d. Flight 1 has 9 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
e. Flight 1 has 10 teams; #1 seed from Flight 2 has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, winner advances to playdowns.
12) When Flight 2 #1 seed has playâ€in game against Flight 1 #8 seed, the Flight 1 team shall be the home team, with the Flight 2 team traveling to play said game.
13) In the event a Flight 2 #1 seed declines the opportunity for the playâ€in game, the Flight 1 #8 seed will advance to playdowns.
Yes, everyone signed up knowing the deal with the flights. Agree, disagree that isn’t the issue and if there were No Cal teams in both flights, by all means be fair and have a weekend up north. HOWEVER, I would argue that there should be ZERO games played in Vacaville. San Jose has much better facilities, it’s easier to get to, the ice is better and it is much safer (I know multiple people that have had cars broken into in Vacaville). Argue with me that there is not enough rice slots there and that is the reason...However we all know that is not the real reason and doesn’t happen because of who is on the board.
CAHA makes no decision based on COMMON SENSE. When the flights were determined and every single team in Flight 2 is in So Cal, they should have immediately cancelled the weekend up north and found ice here in So Cal. There are several rinks here with 2 sheets so any argument that “the ice slots would be full†is complete and utter bullshit. I am sure Valencia, Anaheim Ice, Lakewood, Simi, Riverside or even KHS (would be the last choice) Would be happy to rearrange to host a CAHA weekend. Saves the parents time, money and oh yeah, likely keeps their kids in the school that Friday. However, said Board Member’s home rink would be out the funds generated.
Once again, I will state what I did in the beginning...follow the money and the answers will show themselves.
You really believe that everything should have been scrapped up north and rescheduled in SoCal just to accommodate?
Thanks for explaining how the California Amateur Hockey Association, which exists for one purpose only -- to organize games between the member teams, is actually a money making venture meant to funnel money to specific rinks. Here I was under the impression that all the rinks were community owned with free ice time for all.QuoteYou really believe that everything should have been scrapped up north and rescheduled in SoCal just to accommodate?
And to answer your direct question, yes they should have reorganized, just as they reorganized the schedule to include dropping one our CAHA weekends due to the Flight assignments they made.
Just wait untill the word gets out about a Flight 2 Playoff that's in the works for next month. Then we will be able to really complain.
Puck Yeah, you have unintentionally put your finger on the problem. CAHA is in fact a non-profit organization, funded by dues from its member teams (which are in turn passed on to the players' families). It is not a for-profit monopoly company, and its mission is not "supposed" to be to line its own pockets, fleece its customers, or deliver a product that is unnecessarily expensive. One can reasonably agree or disagree with some of the decisions CAHA makes every year and whether they are in the best interests of the California hockey community they serve, but it is hard to see how anyone could defend certain of their decisions this year as being either well-reasoned, impartial or in the best interests of their membership generally.
The problem the Flight 2 teams had was when one of the weekends got cancelled, why was it KHS and not Vacaville? we all know the answer to that question.Puck Yeah, you have unintentionally put your finger on the problem. CAHA is in fact a non-profit organization, funded by dues from its member teams (which are in turn passed on to the players' families). It is not a for-profit monopoly company, and its mission is not "supposed" to be to line its own pockets, fleece its customers, or deliver a product that is unnecessarily expensive. One can reasonably agree or disagree with some of the decisions CAHA makes every year and whether they are in the best interests of the California hockey community they serve, but it is hard to see how anyone could defend certain of their decisions this year as being either well-reasoned, impartial or in the best interests of their membership generally.
Yes CAHA is non profit. To my knowledge most rinks are not. My point was that it is easy to bitch. Let's say you own a NorCal rink and you have the playdowns scheduled and SoCal is bitching about having to drive 6 hours. Would you just say, "you know, I never thought about that, I will forfeit the income, play in SoCal for your convenience" ? It just isn't reasonable. Rinks are businesses and like most businesses they look out for their own financial interest. That is how they survive. If you don't like the profit motive maybe try Hockey in Venezuela or Cuba. If looking out for your family's financial interest is "following the money trail" then I agree with you. Running CAHA or running a Rink is just like hockey. Looks easy from the bleachers.
Puck Yeah, you have unintentionally put your finger on the problem. CAHA is in fact a non-profit organization, funded by dues from its member teams (which are in turn passed on to the players' families). It is not a for-profit monopoly company, and its mission is not "supposed" to be to line its own pockets, fleece its customers, or deliver a product that is unnecessarily expensive. One can reasonably agree or disagree with some of the decisions CAHA makes every year and whether they are in the best interests of the California hockey community they serve, but it is hard to see how anyone could defend certain of their decisions this year as being either well-reasoned, impartial or in the best interests of their membership generally.
Yes CAHA is non profit. To my knowledge most rinks are not. My point was that it is easy to bitch. Let's say you own a NorCal rink and you have the playdowns scheduled and SoCal is bitching about having to drive 6 hours. Would you just say, "you know, I never thought about that, I will forfeit the income, play in SoCal for your convenience" ? It just isn't reasonable. Rinks are businesses and like most businesses they look out for their own financial interest. That is how they survive. If you don't like the profit motive maybe try Hockey in Venezuela or Cuba. If looking out for your family's financial interest is "following the money trail" then I agree with you. Running CAHA or running a Rink is just like hockey. Looks easy from the bleachers.
I get it. CAHAs Mission is re-distribution of wealth
Their role is to ensure that rinks remain profitable (especially those affiliated with board members).
If you run one of those rinks you get a Free Stuff. Sound familiar?
Another example of the twisted welfare state of California
Business viability doesn't depend on customer demand for your value proposition it relies on subsidies. Sound familiar?
My comments have absolutely nothing to do with how much time and money is invested in my kids, how much distance I travel to support them, the quality of CA hockey, scholarships, nor entitlements.
I don't get emotional about any of that because those are choices
My comments have everything to do with what's morally right and wrong.
Believe calling this "immoral" is a bit of a streach.My comments have absolutely nothing to do with how much time and money is invested in my kids, how much distance I travel to support them, the quality of CA hockey, scholarships, nor entitlements.
I don't get emotional about any of that because those are choices
My comments have everything to do with what's morally right and wrong.
I like to think I have a high moral standard. What is immoral? Sincere question, not a challenge or looking for a gotcha.
All this because of a trip to Vacaville?
Yes, everyone signed up knowing the deal with the flights. Agree, disagree that isn’t the issue and if there were No Cal teams in both flights, by all means be fair and have a weekend up north. HOWEVER, I would argue that there should be ZERO games played in Vacaville. San Jose has much better facilities, it’s easier to get to, the ice is better and it is much safer (I know multiple people that have had cars broken into in Vacaville). Argue with me that there is not enough rice slots there and that is the reason...However we all know that is not the real reason and doesn’t happen because of who is on the board.
CAHA makes no decision based on COMMON SENSE. When the flights were determined and every single team in Flight 2 is in So Cal, they should have immediately cancelled the weekend up north and found ice here in So Cal. There are several rinks here with 2 sheets so any argument that “the ice slots would be full†is complete and utter bullshit. I am sure Valencia, Anaheim Ice, Lakewood, Simi, Riverside or even KHS (would be the last choice) Would be happy to rearrange to host a CAHA weekend. Saves the parents time, money and oh yeah, likely keeps their kids in the school that Friday. However, said Board Member’s home rink would be out the funds generated.
Once again, I will state what I did in the beginning...follow the money and the answers will show themselves.
You really believe that everything should have been scrapped up north and rescheduled in SoCal just to accommodate? Are we all that entitled now to go without inconvenience? We are entitled to the nicer facilities?
I don't know about you but I get up at 4:30 or 5 every morning for one reason. Money. These are not non profit organizations designed to get little Johnny to the Bigs. It takes a little electricity to keep the water solid and money to pay the taxes. Who the hell are you to tell someone else how to run their business? Don't like it, open you own rink and have Bernie Sanders run it for you. Free ice for everyone. Become a board member. Start your own hockey association. There is still a small amount of freedom left in California. Jump on the opportunity before it is entirely gone.
So let's play this out with the suggestion that ice contracts are awarded after the flights have been made. Where would the games be played out? Most likely rinks that have more than one sheet right? Lakewood, El Segundo, Anaheim, Riverside, San Jose. You don't think people will start complaining that CAHA is in the pockets of the three major clubs only to support their profits and agendas? Oh wait, people are already saying that. I am not arguing that having 8 socal teams going to Vacaville to play each other is logistically stupid.
I went through this 10 years ago with my son. When he was a squirt and we chose to play A I would "complain" that the SCAHA board was useless with making teams travel to Bakersfield. Pretty much for all the same reasons I hear on this topic now. Than when he decided to make AA we heard about the dreaded "Vacaville" weekends. We choose to play AA and suffer through it... and yes even 8 years ago there were talks about broken in cars and crappy food. We complained that CAHA was in the pockets of this club or that club just like people are doing now.
Now, this year we will most likely have to make the trip again with my daughter. We can choose not to sign her up for AA, we can choose not to place her on a team that travels out of state or up north at all,we can choose not to pull her out of school to miss any days, we can choose for her not to play hockey at all. What is my point, we are the consumers and ultimately responsible for what we do with our money. Our decisions will shape our reality. Don't want to go to Vacaville or San Jose, or miss so many days of school, than don't sign up on any teams that do any of those.
Ummm....So let's play this out with the suggestion that ice contracts are awarded after the flights have been made. Where would the games be played out? Most likely rinks that have more than one sheet right? Lakewood, El Segundo, Anaheim, Riverside, San Jose. You don't think people will start complaining that CAHA is in the pockets of the three major clubs only to support their profits and agendas? Oh wait, people are already saying that. I am not arguing that having 8 socal teams going to Vacaville to play each other is logistically stupid.
I went through this 10 years ago with my son. When he was a squirt and we chose to play A I would "complain" that the SCAHA board was useless with making teams travel to Bakersfield. Pretty much for all the same reasons I hear on this topic now. Than when he decided to make AA we heard about the dreaded "Vacaville" weekends. We choose to play AA and suffer through it... and yes even 8 years ago there were talks about broken in cars and crappy food. We complained that CAHA was in the pockets of this club or that club just like people are doing now.
Now, this year we will most likely have to make the trip again with my daughter. We can choose not to sign her up for AA, we can choose not to place her on a team that travels out of state or up north at all,we can choose not to pull her out of school to miss any days, we can choose for her not to play hockey at all. What is my point, we are the consumers and ultimately responsible for what we do with our money. Our decisions will shape our reality. Don't want to go to Vacaville or San Jose, or miss so many days of school, than don't sign up on any teams that do any of those.
I would suggest that any player at the Peewee level simply play A. You stop at states anyways. Save your money. What exactly are you chasing when your kid is 11-12?
If you all play A instead of AA, the talent level would be the same, and you will save about 3-5k to boot.
Once again, I will state what I did in the beginning...follow the money and the answers will show themselves.
You really believe that everything should have been scrapped up north and rescheduled in SoCal just to accommodate? Are we all that entitled now to go without inconvenience? We are entitled to the nicer facilities?
I don't know about you but I get up at 4:30 or 5 every morning for one reason. Money. These are not non profit organizations designed to get little Johnny to the Bigs. It takes a little electricity to keep the water solid and money to pay the taxes. Who the hell are you to tell someone else how to run their business? Don't like it, open you own rink and have Bernie Sanders run it for you. Free ice for everyone. Become a board member. Start your own hockey association. There is still a small amount of freedom left in California. Jump on the opportunity before it is entirely gone.
Puck Yeah, here is where you are wrong. This is a statewide non-profit organization. When you are elected or appointed to CAHA your obligation is to the players and their families , not the club you own or work. You can't be serious that if you were a member or this organization you wouldn't have thought of the consequences of placing every So Cal team in a flight? There are other things that could have been done. Hell, parents would gladly have paid a stipend to get out of traveling up there to meet the ice slots. The ice isn't that expensive. Instead parents got fleeced into multiple weekends of their life, hours in the car or airport and hotel rooms.
I think you need to be honest with yourself. Laura, Ben and the rest of the board need to be held accountable. We all get up early to make money Puck Yeah.
We've bitched about this for 8 months. The dumb mistakes of that organization continue to come up over and over again. And many of us give hundreds of hours of our time to youth hockey for free.
Now maybe you can help come up with a solution to keep players in the state that are leaving in droves and to help CAHA get exposure to some of our outstanding AA players. Because kids are not getting seen on the national level in this state and it is wrong.
Ummm....So let's play this out with the suggestion that ice contracts are awarded after the flights have been made. Where would the games be played out? Most likely rinks that have more than one sheet right? Lakewood, El Segundo, Anaheim, Riverside, San Jose. You don't think people will start complaining that CAHA is in the pockets of the three major clubs only to support their profits and agendas? Oh wait, people are already saying that. I am not arguing that having 8 socal teams going to Vacaville to play each other is logistically stupid.
I went through this 10 years ago with my son. When he was a squirt and we chose to play A I would "complain" that the SCAHA board was useless with making teams travel to Bakersfield. Pretty much for all the same reasons I hear on this topic now. Than when he decided to make AA we heard about the dreaded "Vacaville" weekends. We choose to play AA and suffer through it... and yes even 8 years ago there were talks about broken in cars and crappy food. We complained that CAHA was in the pockets of this club or that club just like people are doing now.
Now, this year we will most likely have to make the trip again with my daughter. We can choose not to sign her up for AA, we can choose not to place her on a team that travels out of state or up north at all,we can choose not to pull her out of school to miss any days, we can choose for her not to play hockey at all. What is my point, we are the consumers and ultimately responsible for what we do with our money. Our decisions will shape our reality. Don't want to go to Vacaville or San Jose, or miss so many days of school, than don't sign up on any teams that do any of those.
I would suggest that any player at the Peewee level simply play A. You stop at states anyways. Save your money. What exactly are you chasing when your kid is 11-12?
If you all play A instead of AA, the talent level would be the same, and you will save about 3-5k to boot.
This is a Bantam thread. :-[
We go out of our flight 2 team in pre season and stuck with High School Hockey, best decision I could have made all year.Ummm....So let's play this out with the suggestion that ice contracts are awarded after the flights have been made. Where would the games be played out? Most likely rinks that have more than one sheet right? Lakewood, El Segundo, Anaheim, Riverside, San Jose. You don't think people will start complaining that CAHA is in the pockets of the three major clubs only to support their profits and agendas? Oh wait, people are already saying that. I am not arguing that having 8 socal teams going to Vacaville to play each other is logistically stupid.
I went through this 10 years ago with my son. When he was a squirt and we chose to play A I would "complain" that the SCAHA board was useless with making teams travel to Bakersfield. Pretty much for all the same reasons I hear on this topic now. Than when he decided to make AA we heard about the dreaded "Vacaville" weekends. We choose to play AA and suffer through it... and yes even 8 years ago there were talks about broken in cars and crappy food. We complained that CAHA was in the pockets of this club or that club just like people are doing now.
Now, this year we will most likely have to make the trip again with my daughter. We can choose not to sign her up for AA, we can choose not to place her on a team that travels out of state or up north at all,we can choose not to pull her out of school to miss any days, we can choose for her not to play hockey at all. What is my point, we are the consumers and ultimately responsible for what we do with our money. Our decisions will shape our reality. Don't want to go to Vacaville or San Jose, or miss so many days of school, than don't sign up on any teams that do any of those.
I would suggest that any player at the Peewee level simply play A. You stop at states anyways. Save your money. What exactly are you chasing when your kid is 11-12?
If you all play A instead of AA, the talent level would be the same, and you will save about 3-5k to boot.
This is a Bantam thread. :-[
well crap. :) then if you do not make the first flight, drop and Play A hockey, and La cross and save a sh*ton of money
The problem with the current state of affairs, if you want to play club beyond Bantam, you have to play Tier. Otherwise you have to play in the glorified in house league AKA High School. Therefore, you want to play at least one year of AA before Midget. It is a big jump from Bantam A to Midget AA.The HS League skill level it's pretty good calling it in house is not correct IMO.
There are signs of this changing since they are now charging full price for High School but, that remains to be seen. We can thank the Ducks for messing everything up...
There are signs of this changing since they are now charging full price for High School but, that remains to be seen. We can thank the Ducks for messing everything up...
There are signs of this changing since they are now charging full price for High School but, that remains to be seen. We can thank the Ducks for messing everything up...
what do you feel the Ducks did to mess up the league, im curious?
There are signs of this changing since they are now charging full price for High School but, that remains to be seen. We can thank the Ducks for messing everything up...
what do you feel the Ducks did to mess up the league, im curious?
Where have you been?
The Ducks in a pure power grab created the High School league with their money and influence. They wanted full control of hockey in SoCal and to take things away from clubs, SCAHA and CAHA. This year the Kings also joined in on the power move. However, a lot of people are rumbling about having the pay full price. They simply do not see a cost versus benefit for the skill level of a glorified in house league. I for one hope that more people choose club hockey in the future.
Sorry, it' not like they do it out of the goodness of their heart. It' a good/inexpensive marketing tool for the Ducks. But more importantly, the kids registered in the WHOLE high school league counts towards the JD registered players, thus giving the JD more power in SCAHA.
The Ducks didn't create the HS league as a power grab for money or control. Geez, some people need to review the USA hockey stats on memberships. Male membership has been on the decline in the 2nd year Bantam through midgets for years. The Ducks looked for ways to not only keep those players from leaving, but also how to grow the numbers. They researched what was being done in other parts of the country where the decline is less. Playing HS hockey was an alternative and they decided to run with it. They heavily subsidize the first few years of new clubs to help them gain some footing. Doesn't sound like a money grab to me. Besides, don't we always have those parents complain that we should be doing it like the east coast anyways... I will make no argument on the quality of the HS teams, that will just take time.
However, getting back to the point. Because of the HS league, local club push, and other factors California is one of the highest growing states in terms of membership right now. Pretty much across most levels.
Sorry, it' not like they do it out of the goodness of their heart. It' a good/inexpensive marketing tool for the Ducks. But more importantly, the kids registered in the WHOLE high school league counts towards the JD registered players, thus giving the JD more power in SCAHA.
The Ducks didn't create the HS league as a power grab for money or control. Geez, some people need to review the USA hockey stats on memberships. Male membership has been on the decline in the 2nd year Bantam through midgets for years. The Ducks looked for ways to not only keep those players from leaving, but also how to grow the numbers. They researched what was being done in other parts of the country where the decline is less. Playing HS hockey was an alternative and they decided to run with it. They heavily subsidize the first few years of new clubs to help them gain some footing. Doesn't sound like a money grab to me. Besides, don't we always have those parents complain that we should be doing it like the east coast anyways... I will make no argument on the quality of the HS teams, that will just take time.
However, getting back to the point. Because of the HS league, local club push, and other factors California is one of the highest growing states in terms of membership right now. Pretty much across most levels.
From my understanding, the more registered players you have in your system ( that I believe also includes adult league but not sure) the more voting power you have.Sorry, it' not like they do it out of the goodness of their heart. It' a good/inexpensive marketing tool for the Ducks. But more importantly, the kids registered in the WHOLE high school league counts towards the JD registered players, thus giving the JD more power in SCAHA.
The Ducks didn't create the HS league as a power grab for money or control. Geez, some people need to review the USA hockey stats on memberships. Male membership has been on the decline in the 2nd year Bantam through midgets for years. The Ducks looked for ways to not only keep those players from leaving, but also how to grow the numbers. They researched what was being done in other parts of the country where the decline is less. Playing HS hockey was an alternative and they decided to run with it. They heavily subsidize the first few years of new clubs to help them gain some footing. Doesn't sound like a money grab to me. Besides, don't we always have those parents complain that we should be doing it like the east coast anyways... I will make no argument on the quality of the HS teams, that will just take time.
However, getting back to the point. Because of the HS league, local club push, and other factors California is one of the highest growing states in terms of membership right now. Pretty much across most levels.
by what mechanism? What is the power that they acquire? Legit question not a challenge, you have to preface these things to avoid getting flamed on these boards.
One club. One voteMembership determines a club's voting power for the CAHA Board. (CAHA Bylaws, Section 39.2) The Board, in turn, elects all the Executive Officers of CAHA and appoints all the Executive Committees. (CAHA Bylaws, Sections 40, 41.) The Board, Executive Officers, and Executive Committees essentially make all the decisions or appoint those who do. (CAHA Bylaws, Addenda B-D.)
Membership only comes into play when voting for
Caha elected positions
One club. One vote
Membership only comes into play when voting for
Caha elected positions
Forgive me but that's a bit saying "the census isn't important because it only comes into play when determining how many members of the House of Representatives and Electoral College each state has."
Under CAHA's bylaws, a club's membership numbers determine its voting power for the CAHA Board. (CAHA Bylaws, Section 39.2) The Board, in turn, elects the Executive Officers of CAHA and appoints the Executive Committees. (CAHA Bylaws, Sections 40, 41.) Collectively the Board, Executive Officers, and Executive Committees make all the decisions or appoint those who do. (CAHA Bylaws, Addenda B-D.)
That kind of sounds like the definition of power to me.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Although maybe CAHA needs a 2 member Senate for each club too so small clubs don't get steam rolled?
Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Although maybe CAHA needs a 2 member Senate for each club too so small clubs don't get steam rolled?
Puck Yeah, I get it. "Life's a bitch and then you die, so suck it up buttercup or just kill yourself right now." I get a kick out of your relentlessly dark, Ayn Randian view of life, I really do. Your posts remind me of Max von Sydow's monologues in "Hannah and Her Sisters," which were funny in 1986.
But to return to the idea that got this discussion started, CAHA's own bylaws state that the association exists "To encourage, foster and promote the development of the sport of amateur ice hockey within the State of California." (CAHA Bylaws, Section 28(a)) They also provide that "CAHA shall not be operated in a manner which will generate pecuniary gain or profit for any Member Association or individual and is organized solely for nonprofit purposes." (CAHA Bylaws, Section 29.2)
You'd expect no less from a non-profit youth sports association, right? Folks on this board gripe about a lot of stupid things that aren't important, and important things about which reasonable minds can differ. But sometimes CAHA does things that nobody can defend with a straight face (which is probably why you don't even try), like for example changing rules to benefit the clubs that run CAHA to the disadvantage of the one's that don't (and then changing them back the next year when that suits them again), or making dozens of SoCal families collectively spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to treck up to NorCal to play other SoCal teams for no apparent reason other than maybe to line some board member's pockets. Your solution seems to be for the complainers to pull their kids out of hockey and maybe play frisbee or join their school chess club instead. But it shouldn't be too much to hold CAHA to its own stated purpose for existence, but as Trans tried to point out, its bylaws sometimes encourage the opposite.
so when does the Filght 1 vs Flight 2 game happen?
so when does the Filght 1 vs Flight 2 game happen?
https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/oss-scoresheet?game_id=16050&mode=display (https://stats.caha.timetoscore.com/oss-scoresheet?game_id=16050&mode=display)
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Looks like SCAHA has a new website. It is better than the last piece of crap but, it is still not a mobile enabled website. If the people making these decisions do not understand that at least half of the traffic is from mobile devices, they need to stop making technology decisions because they do not have a clue what they are doing.
I have been involved in the sport of Travel Hockey for the past 11 years. I have two boys, and they both started playing hockey at Mite B and currently, the oldest son is completing a successful season at Midget 16AA, while my younger son completes his final Bantam AA season. We have avoided the AAA level due to academic and financial considerations. I have listened to parents that have personally participated, and watched their boys, play at all levels from Mite B, thru Juniors, and beyond. In speaking to these parents, it occurred to me to "work the journey from the destination." Where do you want your son/daughter to finish their hockey career? College, Juniors, AAA, Semi-Pro, Europe, NHL? How much to you want to spend to arrive at that destination? Does your son/daughter share your passion?
In speaking to a informed hockey dad, he had the opportunity to play Juniors as a teenager in Canada. He also had the opportunity to attend College and become an Engineer. He decided to forgo Juniors, attend College, while his friends moved into the ranks of Juniors for the next few years. His friends enjoyed their experience, but only one returned to attend College and did not fully enjoy the experience due to the fact that he was "older" than the incoming freshman. His other friends finished Juniors, lost interest in school and moved into the workforce. In the meantime, my friend finished College and is now working as a successful engineer. He plays hockey weekly with other men that played Youth/Travel, AA, AAA, Juniors, Semi-Pro and in the NHL. ALL of them finish their weekly game and return to WORK the next day. In speaking to a BCHL Head Coach, he informed me that the average NHL career is 3 years and that 90% of former NHL players need to find employment at the end of their careers. Although this may not be indicative of everyone, my point is, everyone ends up at the same spot....
My boys have had an amazing journey playing youth hockey while my wife and I have watched them develop into responsible young men and good hockey players. We have traveled throughout the United States and Canada to participate in Tournaments which enabled the kids to see and experience a world they may never know. Furthermore, they have made amazing friendships that will last long past their hockey careers. Next season, my boys will play together on the same team, High School, for the first time since Mites. I recognize that High School isn't quite the level of AAA or some AA teams but nonetheless, where does their journey end? I fully believe that they love the game and that they can play competitive hockey for as long as they like. The values, ethics and ability to work as a team, that they learned playing this game, will hopefully make them a valuable asset while pursuing any future endeavors. Everyone, including the players, must make their own decisions...These are my thoughts as the boys end their Club Hockey experience.
I have been involved in the sport of Travel Hockey for the past 11 years. I have two boys, and they both started playing hockey at Mite B and currently, the oldest son is completing a successful season at Midget 16AA, while my younger son completes his final Bantam AA season. We have avoided the AAA level due to academic and financial considerations. I have listened to parents that have personally participated, and watched their boys, play at all levels from Mite B, thru Juniors, and beyond. In speaking to these parents, it occurred to me to "work the journey from the destination." Where do you want your son/daughter to finish their hockey career? College, Juniors, AAA, Semi-Pro, Europe, NHL? How much to you want to spend to arrive at that destination? Does your son/daughter share your passion?
In speaking to a informed hockey dad, he had the opportunity to play Juniors as a teenager in Canada. He also had the opportunity to attend College and become an Engineer. He decided to forgo Juniors, attend College, while his friends moved into the ranks of Juniors for the next few years. His friends enjoyed their experience, but only one returned to attend College and did not fully enjoy the experience due to the fact that he was "older" than the incoming freshman. His other friends finished Juniors, lost interest in school and moved into the workforce. In the meantime, my friend finished College and is now working as a successful engineer. He plays hockey weekly with other men that played Youth/Travel, AA, AAA, Juniors, Semi-Pro and in the NHL. ALL of them finish their weekly game and return to WORK the next day. In speaking to a BCHL Head Coach, he informed me that the average NHL career is 3 years and that 90% of former NHL players need to find employment at the end of their careers. Although this may not be indicative of everyone, my point is, everyone ends up at the same spot....
My boys have had an amazing journey playing youth hockey while my wife and I have watched them develop into responsible young men and good hockey players. We have traveled throughout the United States and Canada to participate in Tournaments which enabled the kids to see and experience a world they may never know. Furthermore, they have made amazing friendships that will last long past their hockey careers. Next season, my boys will play together on the same team, High School, for the first time since Mites. I recognize that High School isn't quite the level of AAA or some AA teams but nonetheless, where does their journey end? I fully believe that they love the game and that they can play competitive hockey for as long as they like. The values, ethics and ability to work as a team, that they learned playing this game, will hopefully make them a valuable asset while pursuing any future endeavors. Everyone, including the players, must make their own decisions...These are my thoughts as the boys end their Club Hockey experience.
I have been involved in the sport of Travel Hockey for the past 11 years. I have two boys, and they both started playing hockey at Mite B and currently, the oldest son is completing a successful season at Midget 16AA, while my younger son completes his final Bantam AA season. We have avoided the AAA level due to academic and financial considerations. I have listened to parents that have personally participated, and watched their boys, play at all levels from Mite B, thru Juniors, and beyond. In speaking to these parents, it occurred to me to "work the journey from the destination." Where do you want your son/daughter to finish their hockey career? College, Juniors, AAA, Semi-Pro, Europe, NHL? How much to you want to spend to arrive at that destination? Does your son/daughter share your passion?
In speaking to a informed hockey dad, he had the opportunity to play Juniors as a teenager in Canada. He also had the opportunity to attend College and become an Engineer. He decided to forgo Juniors, attend College, while his friends moved into the ranks of Juniors for the next few years. His friends enjoyed their experience, but only one returned to attend College and did not fully enjoy the experience due to the fact that he was "older" than the incoming freshman. His other friends finished Juniors, lost interest in school and moved into the workforce. In the meantime, my friend finished College and is now working as a successful engineer. He plays hockey weekly with other men that played Youth/Travel, AA, AAA, Juniors, Semi-Pro and in the NHL. ALL of them finish their weekly game and return to WORK the next day. In speaking to a BCHL Head Coach, he informed me that the average NHL career is 3 years and that 90% of former NHL players need to find employment at the end of their careers. Although this may not be indicative of everyone, my point is, everyone ends up at the same spot....
My boys have had an amazing journey playing youth hockey while my wife and I have watched them develop into responsible young men and good hockey players. We have traveled throughout the United States and Canada to participate in Tournaments which enabled the kids to see and experience a world they may never know. Furthermore, they have made amazing friendships that will last long past their hockey careers. Next season, my boys will play together on the same team, High School, for the first time since Mites. I recognize that High School isn't quite the level of AAA or some AA teams but nonetheless, where does their journey end? I fully believe that they love the game and that they can play competitive hockey for as long as they like. The values, ethics and ability to work as a team, that they learned playing this game, will hopefully make them a valuable asset while pursuing any future endeavors. Everyone, including the players, must make their own decisions...These are my thoughts as the boys end their Club Hockey experience.
I have been involved in the sport of Travel Hockey for the past 11 years. I have two boys, and they both started playing hockey at Mite B and currently, the oldest son is completing a successful season at Midget 16AA, while my younger son completes his final Bantam AA season. We have avoided the AAA level due to academic and financial considerations. I have listened to parents that have personally participated, and watched their boys, play at all levels from Mite B, thru Juniors, and beyond. In speaking to these parents, it occurred to me to "work the journey from the destination." Where do you want your son/daughter to finish their hockey career? College, Juniors, AAA, Semi-Pro, Europe, NHL? How much to you want to spend to arrive at that destination? Does your son/daughter share your passion?The best part of this that most parents don't get..... "Does your son or daughter share your passion?" A definitely
In speaking to a informed hockey dad, he had the opportunity to play Juniors as a teenager in Canada. He also had the opportunity to attend College and become an Engineer. He decided to forgo Juniors, attend College, while his friends moved into the ranks of Juniors for the next few years. His friends enjoyed their experience, but only one returned to attend College and did not fully enjoy the experience due to the fact that he was "older" than the incoming freshman. His other friends finished Juniors, lost interest in school and moved into the workforce. In the meantime, my friend finished College and is now working as a successful engineer. He plays hockey weekly with other men that played Youth/Travel, AA, AAA, Juniors, Semi-Pro and in the NHL. ALL of them finish their weekly game and return to WORK the next day. In speaking to a BCHL Head Coach, he informed me that the average NHL career is 3 years and that 90% of former NHL players need to find employment at the end of their careers. Although this may not be indicative of everyone, my point is, everyone ends up at the same spot....
My boys have had an amazing journey playing youth hockey while my wife and I have watched them develop into responsible young men and good hockey players. We have traveled throughout the United States and Canada to participate in Tournaments which enabled the kids to see and experience a world they may never know. Furthermore, they have made amazing friendships that will last long past their hockey careers. Next season, my boys will play together on the same team, High School, for the first time since Mites. I recognize that High School isn't quite the level of AAA or some AA teams but nonetheless, where does their journey end? I fully believe that they love the game and that they can play competitive hockey for as long as they like. The values, ethics and ability to work as a team, that they learned playing this game, will hopefully make them a valuable asset while pursuing any future endeavors. Everyone, including the players, must make their own decisions...These are my thoughts as the boys end their Club Hockey experience.
I do not believe the AA Flight system is beneficial to AA and I questioned the politics and lack of transparency involved, and was proven 100% correct. I certainly was not alone in that regard. The Vacaville fiasco was just part of a continuum of issues dating back to last season.
Someone recently opined that kids should all just play 'A' because AA and A isn't that different. I don't think that opinion is based in reality or experience. The difference between 'A' and 'AA' is substantial, and there is no need to bring opinions into it. Most clubs have AA and A teams, and sometimes those teams practice and scrimmage. They can tell you how those scrimmages go. If Peewee AA teams were to play their house Bantam A teams in a no-check game, a lot of the AA teams would beat their Bantam A teams. This is not to say that there aren't some really good kids in 'A', because there are always kids in 'AA' who would do well in 'AAA'.
In general the difference is that at 'AA' and 'AAA' there is more overall parity. Kids have the puck on their stick for less time, and the speed of the game and the level of defensive play and back checking is much higher. Obviously the goaltending tends to be better as well. Before people lose their minds over these statements I want to repeat that these are aggregate statements and not a value judgement as to the ability of any individual kids. You can see that year to year kids are able to progress from one level to another, sometimes across age divisions and letter boundaries and have success. Nobody should take these statements personally as an insult to their kid. It just happens to be that in general AA teams are substantially better than A teams, who are substantially better than BB, on down the line.
Every so often a team for whatever reason isn't allowed to play AA when they clearly are AA level. Or in AA this year, there is a Bantam AAA team playing in AA, for completely understandable, justifiable and well within the rules reasons.
That essentially ruins things for everyone else, as those teams cruise through the season demolishing most everyone they face. Sure they might stumble on a particular day, and there might even be a giant upset that occurs, but more often than not, what everyone expects to happen, happens and David does not slay Goliath.
Every time this occurs it astounds me how little regard there is for the rest of the teams (as many as 18+) who were correctly placed in the appropriate level, who essentially have their season ruined by an uncaring CAHA organization who prioritizes things entirely based on the number of A's in your division. So long as this is going to be the reality, it behooves people to want to see their kids improve and have a realistic option for moving them into AAA, but in California this just isn't possible for the vast majority of kids, and that is the main problem.
For youth hockey to grow in California, the AAA level needs to grow, and not be artificially limited the way it is currently. The best thing for 99% of kids is to be playing other kids in their birth year. This is what AAA offers, and is the best way to get an idea of how your kid is developing vs their peers. If there were more local AAA teams to play there would be more AAA games that involve a drive and not plane fare, hotels and missed school days. Over time more kids would be included and the average level of play would improve. But CAHA says this is wrong, and they need to limit AAA.
It's a nice fantasy, that people will all in unison just move their kids to 'A' as a CAHA protest, but that simply isn't going to happen. Every season there is a team or even a few at the top or bottom of any division that could participate and perhaps in some cases benefit from having moved up or down. But for the most part, teams are in the divisions they are in, because they wouldn't face any competition or experience any challenge or growth if they were in a lower division, and that is very much true in 'AA'.
In general, older teams are more successful in competition. This is proven time and time again. The reality of AA is that you have every sort of age mix possible and thus the likelihood of playing kids older is much greater when you are a 1st year player, and the results are often predictable.
It appears that what is going to happen with the Flight system in AA is that it is going to start to become a place for younger teams to slot in at AA. At the Peewee level, AA is (ab)used by the AAA franchise clubs to get their "future AAA minor" Peewee kids a chance to face a higher level of competition.
That may or may not benefit those kids, but it surely does very little for the older kids who have to face them, and the stupidity of the way games are often officiated, with the refs essentially protecting the younger kids in complete ignorance of the actual rulebook and legal body contact. This year in AA, the Ducks managed to maneuver their 06/07 team into Flight1. They then went on to get beat up all season by the legit flight1 teams, came in last, and on the way lost to Flight2 teams 3x, while also managing by some strange coincidence to never ever face the +80 goal differential Flight2 team. Funny how that happened BTW, considering that team played every other socal team multiple times.
Which brings me to the Flighting. Lots of people were concerned that bias would lead to bad flighting as well as deny the inevitable outcomes that occur each season as there are always teams that start the season behind others which have an early season advantage in coach and roster continuity, only to develop into playoff contenders by season end. CAHA basically just lied about this, and admitted later that they flighted teams pre-jamboree and really only looked at jamboree results to determine whether or not teams on their bubble list should be moved.
And how did they do?
Peewee AA, Flight2 team won playin 5-2
Bantam AA, Flight2 team won playin 4-0
U-16 AA, Flight 2 team lost playin 3-4
Well done CAHA, take a victory lap. Your emergency "well if we made a small booboo this will fix it" playin mechanism just validates that people told you they were not confident in your assessment system, and for good reason. Sure it's nice to goto playdowns, but that wasn't the point -- the point was that CAHA sold everyone that placement would ensure more competition for everyone, but all you did was screw over teams that deserved to be in the top flight and denied them the very thing this system was supposed to insure.
Furthermore, as the season started for Peewee AA, there were 4 Norcal teams. We played 1! All season. One was dropped to A, and the other 3 were placed in Flight1. Again, CAHA you exist to provide scheduling for Norcal and Socal teams to face each other. You have no other reason for being, and if you now are primarily interested in finding ways to make sure that far fewer socal teams play the Norcal teams, you should go back to your origination story and try and find the thread you've lost along the way.
I don't know the Bantam teams the way you all do, but in talking to some of my friends who have kids in the division, as well as looking at results, it looks like Bantam had multiple teams that were misplaced, and I would have to say at this point that the same was true in PeeweeAA. CAHA's evaluation system should get an F this year.
Next year CAHA says it's going to do better. The question is, why should anyone believe them?
War and Peace seemed like a faster read.
;D lolQuoteWar and Peace seemed like a faster read.
So Trans, you are saying you read War and Peace?
Opra's reading clubQuoteWar and Peace seemed like a faster read.
So Trans, you are saying you read War and Peace?
And how did they do?
Peewee AA, Flight2 team won playin 5-2
Bantam AA, Flight2 team won playin 4-0
U-16 AA, Flight 2 team lost playin 3-4
Well done CAHA, take a victory lap.
Are they planing on telling clubs where fight 2 playdownd are going to be before next year's try outs ?
Just cancel this stupid shit !!
I don't think a win or a close game in a Flight 2 vs 8th place Flight 1 tells a story of a strong Flight 2 teams that would have been contenders. Just the opposite. It paints a picture of very weak Flight 1 teams at the bottom of the standings.
DUDE
Puck Yeah,
With all due respect back at you, I have offered up solutions repeatedly, starting with my opinion that Flighting was unneeded at the outset. There were a good number of people who agreed with me. I don't know what level your kid(s) are at or playing. I grew up on the east coast, and youth hockey does quite well there, without flighting. I'd love to know some traditional long standing youth hockey markets where anything like this exists.
For our 2 seasons in AA CAHA has experimented on its participants with radical systemic changes. Should I be thanking them?
If you have all the answers, feel free to provide your world view and correct the things I've stated which were factually incorrect. I'm sure you know more than I do about the conversations I had with various club reps I know who have provided me with information, not to mention the discussions I had directly with a CAHA board member and the coaches of our team, manager and our club President.QuoteI don't think a win or a close game in a Flight 2 vs 8th place Flight 1 tells a story of a strong Flight 2 teams that would have been contenders. Just the opposite. It paints a picture of very weak Flight 1 teams at the bottom of the standings.
I really don't even understand your point in regards to the stats you cherry picked. There were 10 Flight1 teams in PW and Bantam and if CAHA was right about flighting the #8 seeds should have won their games with ease. You bring zero credibility to the argument when the season is over, and you can look at the stats and use them to support your own bias. A lot of people were saying that the flighting choices were wonky during and immediately after the jamboree when the "internal rankings" were leaked.
The Flighting was supposedly necessary so that teams did not have to be subjected to a lot of blow outs of teams that they could never hope to beat or even challenge. If CAHA can't get that right, then the whole idea is a waste of time, because, as you pointed out, there are always stronger teams and weaker teams in any grouping (easily measured over a season by goal differential).
At some point, it just becomes arrogant self congratulation that is often not merited and I find that personally distasteful. CAHA can't legislate parity with 3 teams in AAA, and it certainly can't legislate it with 12 teams or 16 or 18 teams at AA. Your bar for our team seems to be, that we can only be validated if we now win a state championship.
If you don't think an organization is entitled to know before being summoned to the jamboree for an "evaluation" without it being disclosed by whatever decision making "cabal" was involved, that you have essentially no chance of being evaluated as a Flight1 team other than perhaps to win all your jamboree "games", don't you think that should have been communicated to the organization? Maybe our coaching staff might have done some things differently.
Feel free to point me to the information provided by CAHA on how the evaluation would work, what criteria would be involved, and how determinations would be made. I'll save you time -- you can't because there wasn't any.
If people are satisfied with it at U16, they are welcome to that opinion and perhaps this season for U16, the flighting makes sense.
It's a very different age group from U12 an U14 there are plenty of people who think the flighting was rigged in favor of the more powerful clubs who have people with decision making power within CAHA.
In U12, Flight2, our team played 5 other socal teams. Our goal differential was +70 and due to the fact there were only 6 teams, we also played one less CAHA weekend. We played a good number of the Flight1 teams, not just the 8th place team, and we proved in those games that we would have been competitive.
I'm repeating myself, but we didn't get blown out by anyone in the Jamboree. All our games were close, both in terms of shots, zone time, scoring opportunities and final score, and 3 of our 4 opponents went into Flight1 and all made the top 8. If there had actually been an evaluation, we should have been in Flight1 from the outset. There wasn't the legitimate evaluation process that was promised and that should change.
Your posts keep referring to teams in Flight2 as 'A' teams, which says a lot about where you are coming from. Maybe if a AA teams at the top of Flight1 are really only challenged by a team or 2 in their division, the problem is not with the other 90% of the teams, but rather that the top team ought to be moving up instead of complaining about having to play the majority of the division.
Puck Yeah,
With all due respect back at you, I have offered up solutions repeatedly, starting with my opinion that Flighting was unneeded at the outset. There were a good number of people who agreed with me. I don't know what level your kid(s) are at or playing. I grew up on the east coast, and youth hockey does quite well there, without flighting. I'd love to know some traditional long standing youth hockey markets where anything like this exists.
For our 2 seasons in AA CAHA has experimented on its participants with radical systemic changes. Should I be thanking them?
If you have all the answers, feel free to provide your world view and correct the things I've stated which were factually incorrect. I'm sure you know more than I do about the conversations I had with various club reps I know who have provided me with information, not to mention the discussions I had directly with a CAHA board member and the coaches of our team, manager and our club President.QuoteI don't think a win or a close game in a Flight 2 vs 8th place Flight 1 tells a story of a strong Flight 2 teams that would have been contenders. Just the opposite. It paints a picture of very weak Flight 1 teams at the bottom of the standings.
I really don't even understand your point in regards to the stats you cherry picked. There were 10 Flight1 teams in PW and Bantam and if CAHA was right about flighting the #8 seeds should have won their games with ease. You bring zero credibility to the argument when the season is over, and you can look at the stats and use them to support your own bias. A lot of people were saying that the flighting choices were wonky during and immediately after the jamboree when the "internal rankings" were leaked.
The Flighting was supposedly necessary so that teams did not have to be subjected to a lot of blow outs of teams that they could never hope to beat or even challenge. If CAHA can't get that right, then the whole idea is a waste of time, because, as you pointed out, there are always stronger teams and weaker teams in any grouping (easily measured over a season by goal differential).
At some point, it just becomes arrogant self congratulation that is often not merited and I find that personally distasteful. CAHA can't legislate parity with 3 teams in AAA, and it certainly can't legislate it with 12 teams or 16 or 18 teams at AA. Your bar for our team seems to be, that we can only be validated if we now win a state championship.
If you don't think an organization is entitled to know before being summoned to the jamboree for an "evaluation" without it being disclosed by whatever decision making "cabal" was involved, that you have essentially no chance of being evaluated as a Flight1 team other than perhaps to win all your jamboree "games", don't you think that should have been communicated to the organization? Maybe our coaching staff might have done some things differently.
Feel free to point me to the information provided by CAHA on how the evaluation would work, what criteria would be involved, and how determinations would be made. I'll save you time -- you can't because there wasn't any.
If people are satisfied with it at U16, they are welcome to that opinion and perhaps this season for U16, the flighting makes sense.
It's a very different age group from U12 an U14 there are plenty of people who think the flighting was rigged in favor of the more powerful clubs who have people with decision making power within CAHA.
In U12, Flight2, our team played 5 other socal teams. Our goal differential was +70 and due to the fact there were only 6 teams, we also played one less CAHA weekend. We played a good number of the Flight1 teams, not just the 8th place team, and we proved in those games that we would have been competitive.
I'm repeating myself, but we didn't get blown out by anyone in the Jamboree. All our games were close, both in terms of shots, zone time, scoring opportunities and final score, and 3 of our 4 opponents went into Flight1 and all made the top 8. If there had actually been an evaluation, we should have been in Flight1 from the outset. There wasn't the legitimate evaluation process that was promised and that should change.
Your posts keep referring to teams in Flight2 as 'A' teams, which says a lot about where you are coming from. Maybe if a AA teams at the top of Flight1 are really only challenged by a team or 2 in their division, the problem is not with the other 90% of the teams, but rather that the top team ought to be moving up instead of complaining about having to play the majority of the division.
Well said...a different perspective.
I haven't heard from anyone how competitive the games were within the realms of Flight 2 divisions at any age group. Most people have complained about the unnecessary travel to NorCal or not getting a fair chance to play in Flight 1. One of you stats guys needs to do a breakdown on the game-by-game goal differentials in Flight 2 to see if their games were predominantly competitive. My son's team is Flight 1 Bantam and ALL of their CAHA games were competitive. That was the goal, right?
I can tell you for sure that the top 2-3 teams in 16U Flight 2 were NOT satisfied with the flights. They could all compete with the bottom 3-4 teams in flight 1 and did so on occasion in SCAHA and various tournaments. In fact, I believe Flight 2 OC1 beat a couple of Flight 1 teams in SCAHA games.
It was pre-determined that there would be 8 Flight 1 teams regardless of what happened at the Jamboree and the eventual 8th place Flight 1 team was given a gift schedule at the Jamboree....any guesses where they were from?
The bottom line in Bantam AA you had one AAA team and maybe two or 3 teams that could of done well in A.
CAHA doesn't have the balls to drop teams down a level where they should be because they have connections.
So they came up with flights to try and make these clubs happy.
It was actually stated that there was a max of 10 teams in flight 1.
I thought I remember seeing in the original CAHA post for the Jamboree that there would be a max of 10 teams - however I could be wrong (and am all too frequently ;D .
Also I thought a team or two in PeeWee was sent down to A level - might have even been a Jr. Sharks team. However see last line in the above paragraph.
It was actually stated that there was a max of 10 teams in flight 1.
Where? and by whom? I have email documenting that was not the case.
It was actually stated that there was a max of 10 teams in flight 1.
Where? and by whom? I have email documenting that was not the case.
http://www.caha.com/docs/2017-2019%20CAHA%20Guidebook%20(rev%2020170714).pdf (http://www.caha.com/docs/2017-2019%20CAHA%20Guidebook%20(rev%2020170714).pdf)
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You know why you never see Icadad and Nancy Pelosi at a party together? Both are the same gas bag. Blah blah blah.
QuoteYou know why you never see Icadad and Nancy Pelosi at a party together? Both are the same gas bag. Blah blah blah.
At least I don't quote 10 paragraphs of text to leave a one line comment. Learn to internet.
The bottom line in Bantam AA you had one AAA team and maybe two or 3 teams that could of done well in A.
CAHA doesn't have the balls to drop teams down a level where they should be because they have connections.
So they came up with flights to try and make these clubs happy.
The bottom line in Bantam AA you had one AAA team and maybe two or 3 teams that could of done well in A.
CAHA doesn't have the balls to drop teams down a level where they should be because they have connections.
So they came up with flights to try and make these clubs happy.
You nailed it. So who gets dropped? Well the Valencia Flyers do, same with the Pasadena Maple Leafs at midget and others. At PW it is justified dropping the Jr Sharks because they are a young team playing up.
It was all pretty much pre-determined except for 1-2 teams at each level. As I've stated previously, they wasted a lot of time and money, including the very best teams subjecting them to the jamboree that Labor Day weekend.
Sorry, I was referring to the PWAA team.
That's like saying the Bantam AA Flyers belong in Flight 1 :o
Actually it did happen and I can confirm 100%..... Nice read also! LOL!
There was an evaluation, it was confirmed based on what your club responded on your potential placement. Also, hate to say... i heard many coaches said bottom flight even though they will NEVER admit it! It's easier to point the finger and watch everyone go crazy! Haha!!!Actually it did happen and I can confirm 100%..... Nice read also! LOL!
Well -- as we discussed, I think there's a working theory of what happened there. Just because it went around on a list doesn't mean that is what the club reported. Also doesn't change the fact that no real evaluation happened for us.
There was an evaluation, it was confirmed based on what your club responded on your potential placement. Also, hate to say... i heard many coaches said bottom flight even though they will NEVER admit it! It's easier to point the finger and watch everyone go crazy! Haha!!!
You know me... I dig vs ranting to see WTF is going on. I've also always said Valencia should have been top flight and maybe 1 other and have the rest drop.
I agree Trans. Several issues with flight 2 playdowns. #1 Who cares who wins flight #2. (no one in flight #2 wanted to be in flight #2 in the first place, on top of that they are making us do a play down--for what? Bragging rights 'We are the best of the worst?') #2 Families/players/coaches were not told about this at time of signing #3 Notice was not given to the teams until 1 week ago?!?Are they planing on telling clubs where fight 2 playdownd are going to be before next year's try outs ?
Just cancel this stupid shit !!
Agree waste of time and money.
I agree Trans. Several issues with flight 2 playdowns. #1 Who cares who wins flight #2. (no one in flight #2 wanted to be in flight #2 in the first place, on top of that they are making us do a play down--for what? Bragging rights 'We are the best of the worst?') #2 Families/players/coaches were not told about this at time of signing #3 Notice was not given to the teams until 1 week ago?!?Are they planing on telling clubs where fight 2 playdownd are going to be before next year's try outs ?
Just cancel this stupid shit !!
Agree waste of time and money.
So where and when is this happening
WhereBantams are Valencia because no other rink bid on them. lol
At least its sorta SocalWhereBantams are Valencia because no other rink bid on them. lol
So how did all the Flight 2 teams do at playdowns?
I just looked - GSE1 made it through. SC out.
I was curious how the flight 2 teams did in general (scores don’t tell the whole story).
How did the Saints do? I know they didn’t make it through, but how did they do at playdowns - in general?
Whos excited for tier 2 playdowns? :)
Whos excited for tier 2 playdowns? :)
The Ice Station accountant is pretty psyched.
It sounds like “Trans†needs to adjust his/her hormone dose because he/she is sounding a little bitchy and acting like a giant sore loser.Ummm...ok
It sounds like “Trans†needs to adjust his/her hormone dose because he/she is sounding a little bitchy and acting like a giant sore loser.Ummm...ok
Hate to break it to you. If my boys team would have won, it' not really something to get a hard on for. Take nothing away the MARINERS, they played well. I' just saying, not really Flight 2 champions until they play the Saints..
On another note, how tasteless is it for parents to cheer/jeer a kid for getting a penalty ?
It sounds like “Trans†needs to adjust his/her hormone dose because he/she is sounding a little bitchy and acting like a giant sore loser.Ummm...ok
Hate to break it to you. If my boys team would have won, it' not really something to get a hard on for. Take nothing away the MARINERS, they played well. I' just saying, not really Flight 2 champions until they play the Saints..
On another note, how tasteless is it for parents to cheer/jeer a kid for getting a penalty ?
Guess it depends on what kid is taking the penalty. Does this kid have a history of playing dirty? If he does, get used to it. This is hockey, not figure skating...
Actually no he doesn't...and it is pretty sad if the kid gets off the ice saying how annoying the parents are and that the parents talk more trash than the kids on the ice. Maybe because the boys on the ice get that it is "Hockey" which is a contact sport. If you don't want your little angel getting touched go have them play golf or tennis.
I wouldn't say annoyed but with an impression that parents are crazy because on the ice, boys even though they are on opposing teams talk and compliment each other...even after the games.
Some parents do deserve to get punched in the mouth at times but I guess it's better to just let them show their class when they are sitting there yelling at a 13 year old kid.
I wouldn't say annoyed but with an impression that parents are crazy because on the ice, boys even though they are on opposing teams talk and compliment each other...even after the games.
Some parents do deserve to get punched in the mouth at times but I guess it's better to just let them show their class when they are sitting there yelling at a 13 year old kid.
If you really think all bantam level players are doing when they "communicate" on the ice is to compliment each other...you really ought to spend some time at Lakewood or other rink were you can get above the glass and look down on the action...you will be AMAZED at what your little angel is saying during games....
Of course...hockey parents do, in fact, suck. And there is no shortage of moronic hockey parents...where do you think the kids learn to talk like that ON the ice! ;-)
I'm not that naive to think or say that they do not chirp each other at all on the ice...I myself play and know that it does happen. However when you have good sportsmanship it is left on the ice and some even are friends off the ice, even after they have blown them up mid game.
My gripe is with the parents...if you are going to stand up and yell over towards the ice to a kid or cheer if anything happens to him on the ice is a bit much, but maybe asking for maturity or class from the grown adults is too much.
CAHA Director Application for 2018-2020
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I pledge to continue in the organization’s long and proud history of shenanigans and buffoonery. In fact, I promise MORE shenanigans and MORE buffoonery. There is no kickback too small nor backroom agreement too shady that I won’t consider. Hearsay will be treated as fact. Innuendo as truth.
Want a CAHA weekend? You can have it! Don’t like the PDR rule? I can change it! Want that investigation into your roster manipulation ended? I’m your man!
As long as I’m getting greased, I will ALWAYS side in your favor.
I pledge to blindly support the big clubs and crush the little guy. The big clubs can have ALL the star players, and those ambitious, pathetic small programs will take the scraps and enjoy it (looking at you California Wave!). These are among the REAL issues in 2018. And it is on the basis of these issues that the voting members of the Vacaville Metropolitan Area must make their fateful choice for our future.
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So with Spring Season upon us, what are the best Bantam clinics to go to? Be honest with the pros and cons.
Just finished the weekend in Burbank at the Bears Prep School camp. Peter is hands down one of the most passionate teachers of the game. He has a very clear plan with all his teams as well as with other players that show an interest in moving on. The camp is amazing and all the schools that attend are VERY interactive with all the skaters. Prep school isn't the only option obviously, but for some (many as of late) it makes sense as far as the quality of coaching and competition that they will experience. I really wish that we'd see more teachers of the game in So Cal like Peter. There are some good coaches out there, but they're getting much harder to find, unfortunately. I now can understand why a few orange county parents chose to play for peter and make that brutal drive. Well worth it if you can make his team and can afford the time. Your kid will learn a TON about the game and most importantly. LifeSo with Spring Season upon us, what are the best Bantam clinics to go to? Be honest with the pros and cons.
1 Vote for Burbank whatever Peter is doing is good.
I've heard nothing but good things about PT .Just finished the weekend in Burbank at the Bears Prep School camp. Peter is hands down one of the most passionate teachers of the game. He has a very clear plan with all his teams as well as with other players that show an interest in moving on. The camp is amazing and all the schools that attend are VERY interactive with all the skaters. Prep school isn't the only option obviously, but for some (many as of late) it makes sense as far as the quality of coaching and competition that they will experience. I really wish that we'd see more teachers of the game in So Cal like Peter. There are some good coaches out there, but they're getting much harder to find, unfortunately. I now can understand why a few orange county parents chose to play for peter and make that brutal drive. Well worth it if you can make his team and can afford the time. Your kid will learn a TON about the game and most importantly. LifeSo with Spring Season upon us, what are the best Bantam clinics to go to? Be honest with the pros and cons.
1 Vote for Burbank whatever Peter is doing is good.
BUT.....Yeah, except for last year when he took the 02's to Nationals. And 5 years ago when his squirts won the SCAHA championship. That club has had some bumps but there is no doubt that the new ownership and the coaching leadership of PT have turned it around 180 degrees. Like them or not, you gotta give credit where it's due.
At this level, we've all been around the block. There is ALWAYS a new coach De Jour, every year. This year it's PT's turn. Next year, who knows.
Trevor Wada at the Wave in Artesia ain't chopped liver either. His Wednesday scrimmages will be good.
Hold up there cowboy !!BUT.....Yeah, except for last year when he took the 02's to Nationals. And 5 years ago when his squirts won the SCAHA championship. That club has had some bumps but there is no doubt that the new ownership and the coaching leadership of PT have turned it around 180 degrees. Like them or not, you gotta give credit where it's due.
At this level, we've all been around the block. There is ALWAYS a new coach De Jour, every year. This year it's PT's turn. Next year, who knows.
Yeah, except for last year when he took the 02's to Nationals. And 5 years ago when his squirts won the SCAHA championship. That club has had some bumps but there is no doubt that the new ownership and the coaching leadership of PT have turned it around 180 degrees. Like them or not, you gotta give credit where it's due.
Hold up there cowboy !!Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself ;D
I have NOTHING against Da bears/PT. They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy. Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears. Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch. ;)
Hold up there cowboy !!Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself ;D
I have NOTHING against Da bears/PT. They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy. Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears. Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch. ;)
Not saying you have an ax to grind, just pointing out that the Bears are not a flash in the pan. Over the past 5 years they have displayed steady improvement, at many levels, not just PT's teams. They've had players rotate in and out of that program, but their in-house development is pretty good. Most of the boys going to Natties this year played Bantam A last year.
WW, OC, and the Bears will be fun to watch next year, keep us posted.
Hold up there cowboy !!Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself ;D
I have NOTHING against Da bears/PT. They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy. Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears. Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch. ;)
Not saying you have an ax to grind, just pointing out that the Bears are not a flash in the pan. Over the past 5 years they have displayed steady improvement, at many levels, not just PT's teams. They've had players rotate in and out of that program, but their in-house development is pretty good. Most of the boys going to Natties this year played Bantam A last year.
WW, OC, and the Bears will be fun to watch next year, keep us posted.
Too bad they are going to lose their rink
Hold up there cowboy !!Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself ;D
I have NOTHING against Da bears/PT. They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy. Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears. Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch. ;)
Not saying you have an ax to grind, just pointing out that the Bears are not a flash in the pan. Over the past 5 years they have displayed steady improvement, at many levels, not just PT's teams. They've had players rotate in and out of that program, but their in-house development is pretty good. Most of the boys going to Natties this year played Bantam A last year.
WW, OC, and the Bears will be fun to watch next year, keep us posted.
Too bad they are going to lose their rink
Allegedly! but who knows when or even if.
From what I know, developers want to replace Pickwick with high density apartments. Surrounding neighborhoods putting up a big fight to not have that happen. Time will tell depending on what sort of back room deals are cut,Hold up there cowboy !!Take it easy and keep your panties to yourself ;D
I have NOTHING against Da bears/PT. They are a well run organization and PT seems to be a good guy. Also have a good set of 04 parents so I wish them the best (almost).
Just saying that every year there is a new team that parents want their kids on because of their succss the previous year. This year its Da Bears. Next year it might be someone else.
No need to get panties in a bunch. ;)
Not saying you have an ax to grind, just pointing out that the Bears are not a flash in the pan. Over the past 5 years they have displayed steady improvement, at many levels, not just PT's teams. They've had players rotate in and out of that program, but their in-house development is pretty good. Most of the boys going to Natties this year played Bantam A last year.
WW, OC, and the Bears will be fun to watch next year, keep us posted.
Too bad they are going to lose their rink
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!
Yes he wants 12 Million
The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!
Yes he wants 12 Million
Not bad considering the original loan was 2.8M
Might be worth the 12.The Ice Station is being sold and turned into a medical facility...happening this summer! Or, was it last summer...or 3 summers ago....cant keep track but it is definitely being sold sometime before 2025!Lol!! His asking price needs to come down a bit!
Yes he wants 12 Million
Not bad considering the original loan was 2.8M
Kings offered 8 a while back I heard Too bad he didn't sell it.
To the best of my recollection when I looked up the property history when all the rumors were floating around the property was refinanced during the boom up to 11M pulling out 3M in equity.Now it makes sense! Trans... The Referee sandwich is where it's at man!! And the fries are better than McDonald's!!
To the best of my recollection when I looked up the property history when all the rumors were floating around the property was refinanced during the boom up to 11M pulling out 3M in equity.Now it makes sense! Trans... The Referee sandwich is where it's at man!! And the fries are better than McDonald's!!